From hharadon at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 07:35:22 2009
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Sun Nov  1 07:35:27 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?
In-Reply-To: <e7rme5l7mj3ccectc799u8i4vl9m43v3ak@4ax.com>
References: <ff67f9f70910300813s3bb85b6j9eaa36ef557f70e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<738388.8426.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e7rme5l7mj3ccectc799u8i4vl9m43v3ak@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <e5fa90240911010535p2552b6c9q4c117b67164a0fe1@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Don Wright <satlug@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Arthur Hall wrote:
>
>>When I Googled BitTorrent, one of the options talked about malware being
>>imbedded in some torrent offerings and I have been reluctant to take my
>>chances.
>
> There's nothing magical about BitTorrent that makes it any more
   <snip>
 ?--Don
>
> --
> Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms!

I have used Deluge for torrents.  It is very featureful and
allows various plugins including a block list feature that
blocks IP addresses associated with malware.

Good luck,  Howard
-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA
From morfic at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 10:26:25 2009
From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller)
Date: Sun Nov  1 10:26:28 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu 'Karmic Koala' 9.10 impressions?
In-Reply-To: <ovvje5hs1dulskas0vta2ejms1vj4gv9pv@4ax.com>
References: <ovvje5hs1dulskas0vta2ejms1vj4gv9pv@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <13bb8ce10911010826j6421fa19p90e209d316f980ff@mail.gmail.com>

I am not thrilled of them dumping libstdc++.so.5 from ia32-libs, this way i
get to downgrade to the previous version.
I had done so during testing, but not ensured it won't be nuked again, so
sure enough when the final packages came, libstc++.so.5 was nuked again, at
least this time i had the .deb ready and 2 minutes later (two minutes after
first attempt of starting Bibble) was able to start BibblePro.

Not sure what crack they are on to nuke such a vital library.

Don't care for long term support versions, waiting 6 months for upgrades and
keeping things current in between via PPAs is about as much as i can stand.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Don Wright <satlug@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> So what do y'all think of the newly-released Ubuntu 9.10? And who's
> waiting for Lucid Lynx, the long-term support version targeted for April
> 29?  --Don
>
> --
> Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of
> getting drunk.
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From ftm at satx.rr.com  Sun Nov  1 10:40:33 2009
From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug)
Date: Sun Nov  1 10:40:42 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Consultant for a set up
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70910311915g7d961ae4ta5fe3d6405b81fb4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1256945807.770422029@192.168.1.71><8c9fbbeb0910310826s411790aco328831e57bd5d028@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff67f9f70910311915g7d961ae4ta5fe3d6405b81fb4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60FE5393AB744B68B6ED95444C4E9583@Control>

I have a Server running Centos Linux which I need a postfix mail server configured and set up.  This can be done remotely for someone with more brains that I have.   It will be used as a SMTP server and relaying all mail for multiple domains over to a POP server which is running Imail server on Windoz - 7

Anyone qualified to do this configuration please contact me off list with rates, etc.

Thanks
Doug White
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Sun Nov  1 13:16:48 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Sun Nov  1 13:16:51 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Kon-Boot vs Win2008 Enterprise SRV
Message-ID: <4AEDDEA0.8010202@grandecom.net>

some of you may remember me raving about about Kon-Boot, a wonderful 
tool for bypassing admin logins, when one has forgotten their password 
of course.  The website http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ does not 
list the win2008 srv as compatible, it does however lists Win7, vista, 
and linux kernel 2.6 as vulnerable.  That said, I was curious so I set 
up a kvm install of srv2008 Enterprise edition and sure enough I walked 
through the front door without a key, furthermore because the machine 
was virtual in nature I did not need physical access to the host server 
to do so.

scarry stuff when you think about it.

Todd
From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  1 14:05:52 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov  1 14:05:57 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Kon-Boot vs Win2008 Enterprise SRV
In-Reply-To: <4AEDDEA0.8010202@grandecom.net>
References: <4AEDDEA0.8010202@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <02pre5pgestkov0j0imksjl3cmprnabqm4@4ax.com>

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:16:48 -0600, "Todd W. Bucy"
<toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:

>some of you may remember me raving about about Kon-Boot, a wonderful 
>tool for bypassing admin logins, when one has forgotten their password 
>of course.  The website http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ does not 
>list the win2008 srv as compatible, it does however lists Win7, vista, 
>and linux kernel 2.6 as vulnerable. 

Currently on the site:
       Tested Windows versions
 Windows Server 2008 Standard SP2 (v.275)
                ...
The usage notes say to boot the machine with the CD or floppy built from
the downloaded crack. Not something one can do over the wire for
conventional hardware.

> That said, I was curious so I set 
>up a kvm install of srv2008 Enterprise edition and sure enough I walked 
>through the front door without a key, furthermore because the machine 
>was virtual in nature I did not need physical access to the host server 
>to do so.

You still needed administrative access to the virtual machine to
pre-boot the crack, didn't you? That's the equivalent of physical access
to insert a CD and boot from it.

-- 
Cry 'Yvahk' and let slip the GNUs of war!
  --Don 391925f6
From ftm at satx.rr.com  Sun Nov  1 14:51:48 2009
From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug)
Date: Sun Nov  1 14:52:05 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Kon-Boot vs Win2008 Enterprise SRV
In-Reply-To: <02pre5pgestkov0j0imksjl3cmprnabqm4@4ax.com>
References: <4AEDDEA0.8010202@grandecom.net>
	<02pre5pgestkov0j0imksjl3cmprnabqm4@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <ABA16E5AD5EF492B9B27D8BA6F900234@Control>

I have a centos system running on a virtual macine.  After I set it up, I removed the CD and the floppy drives so that it will not recognize anything from that source.  Then I tried the application  as per the instructions and no joy - it was not able to access the Linux machine at all.   The base machine which is Windows 7, has Windows Defender set up to block access by the CD Drive (the box does not have a floppy drive) as well as a special rule built into the firewall.  Also no joy there either.
Now is there something else I should try to hack into this box?   Or, do I have it secure?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Wright 
  To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List 
  Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Kon-Boot vs Win2008 Enterprise SRV


  On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:16:48 -0600, "Todd W. Bucy"
  <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:

  >some of you may remember me raving about about Kon-Boot, a wonderful 
  >tool for bypassing admin logins, when one has forgotten their password 
  >of course.  The website http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ does not 
  >list the win2008 srv as compatible, it does however lists Win7, vista, 
  >and linux kernel 2.6 as vulnerable. 

  Currently on the site:
         Tested Windows versions
   Windows Server 2008 Standard SP2 (v.275)
                  ...
  The usage notes say to boot the machine with the CD or floppy built from
  the downloaded crack. Not something one can do over the wire for
  conventional hardware.

  > That said, I was curious so I set 
  >up a kvm install of srv2008 Enterprise edition and sure enough I walked 
  >through the front door without a key, furthermore because the machine 
  >was virtual in nature I did not need physical access to the host server 
  >to do so.

  You still needed administrative access to the virtual machine to
  pre-boot the crack, didn't you? That's the equivalent of physical access
  to insert a CD and boot from it.

From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Sun Nov  1 15:03:22 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Sun Nov  1 15:03:23 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Kon-Boot vs Win2008 Enterprise SRV
In-Reply-To: <02pre5pgestkov0j0imksjl3cmprnabqm4@4ax.com>
References: <4AEDDEA0.8010202@grandecom.net>
	<02pre5pgestkov0j0imksjl3cmprnabqm4@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <4AEDF79A.6020304@grandecom.net>

Don Wright wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:16:48 -0600, "Todd W. Bucy"
> <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> some of you may remember me raving about about Kon-Boot, a wonderful 
>> tool for bypassing admin logins, when one has forgotten their password 
>> of course.  The website http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ does not 
>> list the win2008 srv as compatible, it does however lists Win7, vista, 
>> and linux kernel 2.6 as vulnerable. 
>>     
>
> Currently on the site:
>        Tested Windows versions
>  Windows Server 2008 Standard SP2 (v.275)
>   

Wow how the hell did I miss that
>                 ...
> The usage notes say to boot the machine with the CD or floppy built from
> the downloaded crack. Not something one can do over the wire for
> conventional hardware.
>
>   
>> That said, I was curious so I set 
>> up a kvm install of srv2008 Enterprise edition and sure enough I walked 
>> through the front door without a key, furthermore because the machine 
>> was virtual in nature I did not need physical access to the host server 
>> to do so.
>>     
>
> You still needed administrative access to the virtual machine to
> pre-boot the crack, didn't you? That's the equivalent of physical access
> to insert a CD and boot from it.
>
>   
this is true, I did have admin access to the host server but i would not 
necessarily equate that with physical access to the server as being the 
same as remote access.  If I have physical access then I can manipulate 
the physical nature of the server, i.e hacks like the cold-boot attack 
cannot be virtualized and require real physical access.  Rebooting a 
non-virtual server without losing communications access to that server 
would be a neat trick.  Remote access to a server however is a security 
monster all its own, as it particularly vulnerable to social engineering 
and does not require a physical presence that would be needed to restart 
a virtualized server and thereby gain easy administrative control of say 
a customer virtualizations.  This may seem academic to some n this list, 
but I am just learning the ins and out of virtualization and the 
security risks that cme with that type of environment. Kon-boot kinda 
shined a light on this particular aspect for me.

Todd

perviously the loss of the admin password on your webserver did not 
necessarily mean that you lost control of your mysql server.  while 
virtualization has allowed us to put many eggs in one basket it has also 
made all those eggs vulnerable to a single layer of security.  Loose 
control of 1 admin password and you have just given away the Keys to the 
kingdom. 

Todd
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Sun Nov  1 15:08:18 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Sun Nov  1 15:08:20 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Kon-Boot vs Win2008 Enterprise SRV
In-Reply-To: <ABA16E5AD5EF492B9B27D8BA6F900234@Control>
References: <4AEDDEA0.8010202@grandecom.net>	<02pre5pgestkov0j0imksjl3cmprnabqm4@4ax.com>
	<ABA16E5AD5EF492B9B27D8BA6F900234@Control>
Message-ID: <4AEDF8C2.7010601@grandecom.net>

Doug wrote:
> I have a centos system running on a virtual macine.  After I set it up, I removed the CD and the floppy drives so that it will not recognize anything from that source.  Then I tried the application  as per the instructions and no joy - it was not able to access the Linux machine at all.   The base machine which is Windows 7, has Windows Defender set up to block access by the CD Drive (the box does not have a floppy drive) as well as a special rule built into the firewall.  Also no joy there either.
> Now is there something else I should try to hack into this box?   Or, do I have it secure?
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Don Wright 
>   To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List 
>   Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:05 PM
>   Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Kon-Boot vs Win2008 Enterprise SRV
>
>
>   

I have had mixed luck with the linux access.  with linux you have to log 
in at the console not the gui.  I believe the username is Kon-user no 
password.  also make sure you run from console kon-fix before you reboot 
or you will have problems logging in.

Todd

From robertc3 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  1 15:56:13 2009
From: robertc3 at hotmail.com (Robert C)
Date: Sun Nov  1 15:56:25 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Consultant for a set up
In-Reply-To: <60FE5393AB744B68B6ED95444C4E9583@Control>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP87E08629F55F042FEEEECC83B40@phx.gbl>

Doug,

I'd be happy to help. I'm a RHCE and I work at Rackspace. ?Let me know if you're interested.

Rob

Doug wrote:

I have a Server running Centos Linux which I need a postfix mail server configured and set up.  This can be done remotely for someone with more brains that I have.   It will be used as a SMTP server and relaying all mail for multiple domains over to a POP server which is running Imail server on Windoz - 7



Anyone qualified to do this configuration please contact me off list with rates, etc.



Thanks

Doug White

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From nathan at gvtc.com  Sun Nov  1 17:25:49 2009
From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan)
Date: Sun Nov  1 17:25:55 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
Message-ID: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net>

Reminder that the next Computer Show is November 14.  We should have two tables.  We do not have a specific topic to cover this time.  It would be nice to have some one doing a simple install that could be done several times.

There will also be s Computer Show December 12.  As that will be the Xmas show we want to show off programs for young people.

Nathan
From hharadon at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 21:16:51 2009
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Sun Nov  1 21:16:54 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com>

Nathan,  I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
what folks were interested in.  Maybe I could show the
same distros that Don has in inventory?

HH
-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA
From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 21:48:08 2009
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Sun Nov  1 21:48:30 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net> 
	<e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff67f9f70911011948i6f46a7cck2acb00cee40f7762@mail.gmail.com>

I have 80+ ubuntu 'retail' packaged 9.04 desktop CDs and a little display
that Canonical sent me. I know it's not the newest release, but I'd be glad
to donate them to the cause.

E

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nathan,  I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
> recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
> what folks were interested in.  Maybe I could show the
> same distros that Don has in inventory?
>
> HH
> --
> Howard Haradon
> San Antonio, TX  USA
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From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  1 22:38:28 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov  1 22:38:32 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net>
	<e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52nse5l6do627qsgspn4jdhjpq5opi5qj3@4ax.com>

Howard Haradon wrote:

>Nathan,  I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
>recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
>what folks were interested in.  Maybe I could show the
>same distros that Don has in inventory?

This month will be heavy on Ubuntu and friends, owing to the 2009.10
release last week. I'll also have the latest Puppy and a few utilities
such as Clonezilla. (Leo Laporte mentioned it favorably on his
www.twit.tv webcast.)  --Don

-- 
A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into.
From Channing.ML at channingc.com  Sun Nov  1 23:47:21 2009
From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com)
Date: Sun Nov  1 23:47:27 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <52nse5l6do627qsgspn4jdhjpq5opi5qj3@4ax.com>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net>	<e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com>
	<52nse5l6do627qsgspn4jdhjpq5opi5qj3@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <4AEE7269.8020807@channingc.com>

Don Wright wrote:
> Howard Haradon wrote:
>
>   
>> Nathan,  I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
>> recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
>> what folks were interested in.  Maybe I could show the
>> same distros that Don has in inventory?
>>     
>
> This month will be heavy on Ubuntu and friends, owing to the 2009.10
> release last week. I'll also have the latest Puppy and a few utilities
> such as Clonezilla. (Leo Laporte mentioned it favorably on his
> www.twit.tv webcast.)  --Don
>   
I've been using Clonezilla instead of Ghost for the last couple of 
years.  It's great software.

From rhermida at utpa.edu  Mon Nov  2 11:29:51 2009
From: rhermida at utpa.edu (Ramon Hermida)
Date: Mon Nov  2 11:30:00 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Does anybody have a Google Wave invite they can spare
Message-ID: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E09E49274@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu>

SATLUGgers, 

 

Subject line says it all; It would be extremely appreciated if you could
send one my way. 

 

Regards

 

-RH

From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Mon Nov  2 20:59:56 2009
From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Mon Nov  2 20:59:58 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] semi-OT: burning iso's to dvd
Message-ID: <4AEF9CAC.7080305@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

I'm trying to burn openSUSE-DVD-Build0339-i586.iso to a DVD with Nero-7
on a Winders Ex-pee box.

I want to install SuSE 11.2 on my dual-core 2.8GH Dell box w/1.5g of ram.

So far, I think I've managed to build 4 DVD coasters.  :-(
(burning CD iso's isn't a problem)

I'm at a loss.

Here's the log.

____________________________________

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll':
Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.5.13.1
Internal Version: 7, 5, 13, 1
 (Nero Express)
Recorder:             <DVDRW 20X20X12X>         Version: 6A31 - HA 1 TA
0 - 7.5.13.1
 Adapter driver:      <IDE>                     HA 1
 Drive buffer  :      2048kB
 Bus Type      :      via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
 Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
 Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
CD-ROM:               <DVDRW    20X20X12X       >Version: 6A31 - HA 1 TA
0 - 7.5.13.1
 Adapter driver:      <IDE>                     HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral       : WDC WD5000AAKB-00H8A0            atapi Port 0 ID
0  DMA: On
DiskPeripheral       : WDC WD800BB-00DKA0               atapi Port 0 ID
1  DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral      : DVDRW 20X20X12X                  atapi Port 1 ID
0  DMA: On
DiskPeripheral       : WDC WD1200JB-00GVA0              atapi Port 1 ID
1  DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
DVDRW 20X20X12X            E:   CDRom0
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE           : 0
Physical memory     : 767MB (785904kB)
Free physical memory: 231MB (236908kB)
Memory in use       : 69 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry    : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

2.11.2009
Burn DVD Image
8:40:51 PM    #1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 411
    LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL
   
8:40:52 PM    #2 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3467
    Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
   
8:40:52 PM    #3 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 306
    Last possible write address on media:  2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
    Last address to be written:            2198034 (488:27.09, 4293MB)
   
8:40:52 PM    #4 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 318
    Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
   
8:40:52 PM    #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2929
    Recorder: DVDRW 20X20X12X, Media type: DVD-R
     Disc Manufacturer: MXL RG - 02
     Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
   
8:40:52 PM    #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 490
    >>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    =========================================
   
8:40:52 PM    #7 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 792
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
     0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - CD-ROM Mode 1, Joliet)
        2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
        original disc pos #0 + 2198035 (2198035) = #2198035/488:27.10
        not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not
required
        -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks,
length 2198035 blocks [E: DVDRW 20X20X12X]
    --------------------------------------------------------------
   
8:40:52 PM    #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 995
    Prepare [E: DVDRW 20X20X12X] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
     MCN: ""
     TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
     Tracks 1 to 1:                                  Idx 0         Idx
1      Next Trk
       1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos             0            
0    4501575680, ISRC ""
    DAO layout:
    ===========
   
 ___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
            0 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x41 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
            0 |        1 |   0 |    0x41 |  2198035 |  2198035 | 0x00
            0 |        1 |   1 |    0x41 |  2198035 |  2198035 | 0x00
      2198035 | lead-out |   1 |    0x41 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
   
8:40:52 PM    #9 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 209
    SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
   
8:40:52 PM    #10 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
    Caching of files started
   
8:40:52 PM    #11 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4351
    Cache writing successful.
   
8:40:52 PM    #12 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
    Caching of files completed
   
8:40:52 PM    #13 Phase 28 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
    Speed measurement started
   
8:40:53 PM    #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no
patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
   
8:44:51 PM    #15 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 113
    <E: DVDRW 20X20X12X> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2198035
(218A13h), length 0 blocks
   
8:44:51 PM    #16 Phase 29 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1709
    Speed measurement completed: 13.3x (18,458 KB/s)
   
8:44:51 PM    #17 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
    Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
   
8:44:51 PM    #18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
    Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no
patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
   
8:44:51 PM    #19 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3092
    Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
   
8:44:51 PM    #20 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3248
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
   
8:44:51 PM    #21 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9261
    ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
     Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part
Version: 0.0 (0)
     Disc Size: 120 mm,      Maximum Rate: 10.08 Mbps (2 h)
     Number of Layers: 1,    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), 
Layer Type: recordable
     Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
     Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM,
DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
     End Physical Sector Number of Data Area:      0 h
     End Sector Number in Layer 0:                 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h,
4193920 MB)
     Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
      Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
      Start sector number of the next Border-In:     0 h
     Media Specific [16..63]:
        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   
................
        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   
................
        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   
................
   
8:45:08 PM    #22 SPTI -1106 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 179
    CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1106)
    Sense Key:  0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x73
    Sense Qual: 0x03
    CDB Data:   0x2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 00
    Sense Area: 0x70 00 03 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 73 03
    Buffer x06ef0040: Len x10000
    0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
    0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
    0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
   
8:45:08 PM    #23 CDR -1106 File Writer.cpp, Line 299
    Power calibration error
    E: DVDRW 20X20X12X
   
8:45:14 PM    #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3468
    EndDAO: Last written address was -1
   
8:45:14 PM    #25 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
    Burn process failed at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
   
8:45:14 PM    #26 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 254
    SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME
   
8:45:18 PM    #27 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10538
    DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed
   
8:45:18 PM    #28 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 411
    UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

______________________________________________

I can see -where- it's failing, but I can't understand -why-.
Ideas?

From henry.pugsley at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 21:16:20 2009
From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley)
Date: Mon Nov  2 21:16:23 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] semi-OT: burning iso's to dvd
In-Reply-To: <4AEF9CAC.7080305@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
References: <4AEF9CAC.7080305@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <1003aeaa0911021916o10972219sa5551d5932d38a87@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Geoff <geofff@w5omr.shacknet.nu> wrote:
> I'm trying to burn openSUSE-DVD-Build0339-i586.iso to a DVD with Nero-7
> on a Winders Ex-pee box.
>
> I want to install SuSE 11.2 on my dual-core 2.8GH Dell box w/1.5g of ram.
>
> So far, I think I've managed to build 4 DVD coasters. ?:-(
> (burning CD iso's isn't a problem)
>
> I'm at a loss.

Try turning down the burn speed to 2x.  If that fails, try another
program like imgburn (free).

-Henry
From rsuberg at satx.rr.com  Mon Nov  2 21:31:53 2009
From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com)
Date: Mon Nov  2 21:31:57 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] semi-OT: burning iso's to dvd
In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0911021916o10972219sa5551d5932d38a87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091103033153.YO8RD.634288.root@cdptpa-web27-z01>

Another prog to try would be deepburner, I haven't had a problem using it for ISO's, even data & video DVD's

Richard
---- Henry Pugsley <henry.pugsley@gmail.com> wrote: 
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Geoff <geofff@w5omr.shacknet.nu> wrote:
> > I'm trying to burn openSUSE-DVD-Build0339-i586.iso to a DVD with Nero-7
> > on a Winders Ex-pee box.
> >
> > I want to install SuSE 11.2 on my dual-core 2.8GH Dell box w/1.5g of ram.
> >
> > So far, I think I've managed to build 4 DVD coasters. ?:-(
> > (burning CD iso's isn't a problem)
> >
> > I'm at a loss.
> 
> Try turning down the burn speed to 2x.  If that fails, try another
> program like imgburn (free).
> 
> -Henry
> --
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From jc78244 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 03:20:44 2009
From: jc78244 at gmail.com (Jesse C)
Date: Tue Nov  3 03:20:47 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] semi-OT: burning iso's to dvd
In-Reply-To: <20091103033153.YO8RD.634288.root@cdptpa-web27-z01>
References: <1003aeaa0911021916o10972219sa5551d5932d38a87@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091103033153.YO8RD.634288.root@cdptpa-web27-z01>
Message-ID: <75be82090911030120i1f503c40sda394891b444fa00@mail.gmail.com>

I use the portable version of infrarecorder to burn dvds in windows.
Combined with mplayer and dvdauthor you can make video dvds.  Its
floss and also doesnt require a traditional install (portable) so your
3yo winpc can act like a 3yo winpc.
http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/infrarecorder_portable

-jesse c
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 19:33:08 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Thu Nov  5 21:47:55 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Test
Message-ID: <4AF37CD4.1040508@gmail.com>

Testing

From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 19:27:14 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Thu Nov  5 21:47:56 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Test
Message-ID: <4AF37B72.4030307@gmail.com>

Testing

From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 20:28:25 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Thu Nov  5 21:47:56 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Test
Message-ID: <4AF389C9.5060100@gmail.com>

Testing


From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 21:56:48 2009
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Thu Nov  5 21:57:14 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Test
In-Reply-To: <4AF389C9.5060100@gmail.com>
References: <4AF389C9.5060100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff67f9f70911051956x15101f1dg7fa3d71d5a634202@mail.gmail.com>

1....2...   3?

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs@gmail.com> wrote:

> Testing
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
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> SATLUG@satlug.org
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> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 22:05:29 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Thu Nov  5 22:05:32 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Outage
Message-ID: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>

The SATLUG server had a disk drive fail yesterday and it has taken me a 
while to get back the files and re-establish the web site and the 
mailing list.

Kudos to Rackspace for getting the system back up.  I was able to mount 
the old drive read only and recover most of the list archives.

Let me know if there is something missing.

   -- Bruce
From pjcrux at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 22:41:53 2009
From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross)
Date: Thu Nov  5 22:41:59 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Test
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70911051956x15101f1dg7fa3d71d5a634202@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AF389C9.5060100@gmail.com>
	<ff67f9f70911051956x15101f1dg7fa3d71d5a634202@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0911052041m4de7ec19n2c580c8b7e50228a@mail.gmail.com>

5x5

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1....2...   3?
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Testing
> >
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > SATLUG mailing list
> > SATLUG@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
> >
> --
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> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>



-- 
Cheers!

Peter J. Cross
San Antonio, TX

"Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
-James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51

Please consider the environment before printing this email
From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  5 22:51:58 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Thu Nov  5 22:52:03 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
Message-ID: <667836.48980.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hey guys/gals,

Just wanted to introduce myself to the members of SATLUG. 

My name is Chris and I'm new to Linux (like one week new... :-D ) 

Anyway I go to UTSA (Communication Major) and work in a computer store. 

I'm running Mandriva 2010 on a Dell D430. I know nothing about linux commands and hope I can learn that among other things. 

I bought a few books: Linux Complete (2002), Hacking Knoppix, Fedora 10 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu for Dummies, Linux Troubleshooting Bible (2004), Beginning Ubuntu Linux, Linux for Dummies (8th Ed), Linux Bible (2008) 

I bought so many books/ different OS because I was unsure what OS I actually wanted to install. I chose Mandriva because it installed on my system with little to no headaches and included a lot of free software that I was used to using (Open Office and Gimp) 

v/r

Chris
  


      
From art.hall at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  5 23:18:22 2009
From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall)
Date: Thu Nov  5 23:18:27 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <667836.48980.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <58771.82003.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Chris,
?
Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community.? You'll find the folks on this list are very understanding and very helpful.? They have been generous with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers?and software for refugee families.
?
Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows,?I looked long and hard for a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally settled on Ubuntu.? You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux.? It has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and you can download even more when you're ready.
?
Glad to have you aboard.
?
Art




From: Christopher Connell <connell.christopher@yahoo.com>
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
To: satlug@satlug.org
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:51 PM


Hey guys/gals,

Just wanted to introduce myself to the members of SATLUG. 

My name is Chris and I'm new to Linux (like one week new... :-D ) 

Anyway I go to UTSA (Communication Major) and work in a computer store. 

I'm running Mandriva 2010 on a Dell D430. I know nothing about linux commands and hope I can learn that among other things. 

I bought a few books: Linux Complete (2002), Hacking Knoppix, Fedora 10 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu for Dummies, Linux Troubleshooting Bible (2004), Beginning Ubuntu Linux, Linux for Dummies (8th Ed), Linux Bible (2008) 

I bought so many books/ different OS because I was unsure what OS I actually wanted to install. I chose Mandriva because it installed on my system with little to no headaches and included a lot of free software that I was used to using (Open Office and Gimp) 

v/r

Chris
? 


? ? ? 
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From daniel at rugmonster.org  Thu Nov  5 23:29:15 2009
From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens)
Date: Thu Nov  5 23:29:23 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Outage
In-Reply-To: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>
References: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAD0F02F-1940-4121-933F-662963230813@rugmonster.org>

Bruce,

For whatever reason, your firewall rules had sections of Rackspace  
blocked. I haven't received any mail from the list in months since  
moving my mail to an IP in the DFW data center. Please audit the  
blocked networks you had listed before putting them back up.

I hope this gets through because I miss the LUG.

--
Daniel J. Givens

On Nov 5, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs@gmail.com> wrote:

> The SATLUG server had a disk drive fail yesterday and it has taken  
> me a while to get back the files and re-establish the web site and  
> the mailing list.
>
> Kudos to Rackspace for getting the system back up.  I was able to  
> mount the old drive read only and recover most of the list archives.
>
> Let me know if there is something missing.
>
>  -- Bruce
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
> SATLUG mailing list
> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 23:29:13 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Thu Nov  5 23:29:38 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Test
In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0911052041m4de7ec19n2c580c8b7e50228a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AF389C9.5060100@gmail.com>
	<ff67f9f70911051956x15101f1dg7fa3d71d5a634202@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7c63fb3d0911052041m4de7ec19n2c580c8b7e50228a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911052129j20239e79i3317b50d3ec27fce@mail.gmail.com>

works flne Bruce!  Thank you! c

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
> 5x5
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 1....2... ? 3?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Testing
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SATLUG mailing list
>> > SATLUG@satlug.org
>> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>> >
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> SATLUG mailing list
>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Peter J. Cross
> San Antonio, TX
>
> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
> --
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>



-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 23:33:58 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Thu Nov  5 23:34:23 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <667836.48980.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <667836.48980.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911052133k5ad900dek1454bf193f57bea8@mail.gmail.com>

welcome Chris..maybe you will want to go the computer show and meet up
with the people from the list there. c

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Christopher Connell
<connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey guys/gals,
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself to the members of SATLUG.
>
> My name is Chris and I'm new to Linux (like one week new... :-D )
>
> Anyway I go to UTSA (Communication Major) and work in a computer store.
>
> I'm running Mandriva 2010 on a Dell D430. I know nothing about linux commands and hope I can learn that among other things.
>
> I bought a few books: Linux Complete (2002), Hacking Knoppix, Fedora 10 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu for Dummies, Linux Troubleshooting Bible (2004), Beginning Ubuntu Linux, Linux for Dummies (8th Ed), Linux Bible (2008)
>
> I bought so many books/ different OS because I was unsure what OS I actually wanted to install. I chose Mandriva because it installed on my system with little to no headaches and included a lot of free software that I was used to using (Open Office and Gimp)
>
> v/r
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> SATLUG mailing list
> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>



-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 23:37:41 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Thu Nov  5 23:37:49 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Outage
In-Reply-To: <EAD0F02F-1940-4121-933F-662963230813@rugmonster.org>
References: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>
	<EAD0F02F-1940-4121-933F-662963230813@rugmonster.org>
Message-ID: <4AF3B625.2010306@gmail.com>

Daniel J. Givens wrote:
> Bruce,
> 
> For whatever reason, your firewall rules had sections of Rackspace 
> blocked. I haven't received any mail from the list in months since 
> moving my mail to an IP in the DFW data center. Please audit the blocked 
> networks you had listed before putting them back up.

I haven't put them back yet, but send me directly the IP addresses you 
want to ensure don't get blocked and I'll make that happen.

The problem is that I really don't like many thousands of attempts to 
guess a password via ssh and many thousands more trying to use the mail 
server as an open relay, which it isn't.  Most of the attempts are from 
Asia or Europe.

   -- Bruce
From travis+ml-satlug at subspacefield.org  Fri Nov  6 02:07:49 2009
From: travis+ml-satlug at subspacefield.org (travis+ml-satlug@subspacefield.org)
Date: Fri Nov  6 02:07:55 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] OT?  OpenOffice Calc question
Message-ID: <20091106080749.GL5773@subspacefield.org>

So this is a simple question, but I've googled around and am not finding my answer.

Suppose I'm running a marketing campaign.

I have two ads that I send to people and I want to figure out which one is more effective.

So I have a column containing the name of the person, what ad they received (1 or 2), and whether they responded to it or not (0/1).

I'd like to chart this to compare ad effectiveness.

This seems like it should be easy.

But every time I try to create a graph in Calc, when I select a column for the data range (response yes/no), the other axis always appears to be the row number.

If I select two columns, it maps them both on the Y axis and still uses row numbers for the X axis.

What I want it to do is map ad versus responses.

Just in case you're wondering, no, I am not a spammer.  See my sig for how I feel about spammers.
-- 
Obama Nation | My emails do not have attachments; it's a digital signature
that your mail program doesn't understand. | http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/ 
If you are a spammer, please email john@subspacefield.org to get blacklisted.
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Fri Nov  6 08:49:54 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Fri Nov  6 08:49:59 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <667836.48980.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <667836.48980.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AF43792.7070401@grandecom.net>

Christopher Connell wrote:
> Hey guys/gals,
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself to the members of SATLUG. 
>
> My name is Chris and I'm new to Linux (like one week new... :-D ) 
>
> Anyway I go to UTSA (Communication Major) and work in a computer store. 
>
> I'm running Mandriva 2010 on a Dell D430. I know nothing about linux commands and hope I can learn that among other things. 
>
> I bought a few books: Linux Complete (2002), Hacking Knoppix, Fedora 10 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu for Dummies, Linux Troubleshooting Bible (2004), Beginning Ubuntu Linux, Linux for Dummies (8th Ed), Linux Bible (2008) 
>
> I bought so many books/ different OS because I was unsure what OS I actually wanted to install. I chose Mandriva because it installed on my system with little to no headaches and included a lot of free software that I was used to using (Open Office and Gimp) 
>
> v/r
>
> Chris
>   
>
>
>       
>   
two of my favorite books on Linux are Linux in Nutshell (an absolute 
must have for anyone interested in Linux) and the Linux Cookbook.  
Granted these books are written for the intermediate user, they will 
still be invaluable once you get the basics down.  Ohh year just a FYI 
your OS is Linux your distribution is Mandriva.  Also give Ubuntu a look 
its a great noob distro, with a great forum community.

Todd


From daniel at rugmonster.org  Fri Nov  6 09:59:08 2009
From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens)
Date: Fri Nov  6 09:59:43 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Outage
In-Reply-To: <4AF3B625.2010306@gmail.com>
References: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>	<EAD0F02F-1940-4121-933F-662963230813@rugmonster.org>
	<4AF3B625.2010306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF447CC.3050801@rugmonster.org>

On 11/05/2009 11:37 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> Daniel J. Givens wrote:
>> Bruce,
>>
>> For whatever reason, your firewall rules had sections of Rackspace
>> blocked. I haven't received any mail from the list in months since
>> moving my mail to an IP in the DFW data center. Please audit the
>> blocked networks you had listed before putting them back up.
>
> I haven't put them back yet, but send me directly the IP addresses you
> want to ensure don't get blocked and I'll make that happen.
>
> The problem is that I really don't like many thousands of attempts to
> guess a password via ssh and many thousands more trying to use the mail
> server as an open relay, which it isn't. Most of the attempts are from
> Asia or Europe.
>
> -- Bruce

My sending IP's are:

sh-srv1.rugmonster.org has address 98.129.169.9
sh-srv2.rugmonster.org has address 67.23.43.28 (migrating to)

The blocking of whole chunks of the Internet is pretty bad practice 
considering the nature of this public list/organization. Just the fact 
that you had sections of Rackspace, the provider for the server, blocked 
illustrates that quite poignantly.

Generally, as long as you're using strong passwords, brute-force login 
attempts via SSH are not of particular concern, as it's unfortunately 
common. Using IPTables to limit SSH access to only certain IP addresses 
is the best solution, but not always feasible. In that case, you can use 
something like Fail2Ban on your server. Fail2ban scans log files like 
/var/log/secure and bans IP that makes too many password failures. It 
updates iptables rules automatically to block access for a set amount of 
time.

Another option that stops bots trying to log in via SSH is to change the 
port the service listens on. On my servers, I have SSH listening on port 
2022 and have entries on my client machines for the hosts in 
~/.ssh/config to automatically use that when connecting.

Since Fail2Ban works by matching regex in any log file, you can 
configure it to block IPs for any kind of malicious activity. Therefore, 
you could tailor it to block anyone that is trying to use the server as 
an open-relay. Again, as long as the server is configured properly, that 
shouldn't be a concern.

You can also stop a lot of improper mail activity by configuring your 
mail server with some sane rules. For example, with Postfix, I use the 
following in /etc/postfix/main.cf:

smtpd_delay_reject = yes
smtpd_helo_required = yes
disable_vrfy_command = yes

smtpd_helo_restrictions =
	permit_mynetworks,
	reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname,
	reject_invalid_helo_hostname,
	reject_unknown_helo_hostname,
	permit

smtpd_sender_restrictions =
	permit_sasl_authenticated,
	permit_mynetworks,
	reject_non_fqdn_sender,
	reject_unknown_sender_domain,
	permit

smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
	permit_mynetworks,
	permit_sasl_authenticated,
	reject_unauth_pipelining,
	reject_non_fqdn_recipient,
	reject_unknown_recipient_domain,
	reject_unauth_destination,
	reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net,
	reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org,
	permit

Since permit_sasl_authenticated comes before any of the restrictions, it 
doesn't matter where I'm sending from as long as I authenticate.

If you're just worried about your logs getting cluttered up, use 
something like logwatch to parse the logs and pull out the interesting 
stuff. That alone shouldn't be a reason to block chunks of the Internet, 
preventing access to what would be legitimate users.

--
Daniel
From Channing.ML at channingc.com  Fri Nov  6 12:01:17 2009
From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com)
Date: Fri Nov  6 12:01:32 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Outage
In-Reply-To: <4AF447CC.3050801@rugmonster.org>
References: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>	<EAD0F02F-1940-4121-933F-662963230813@rugmonster.org>	<4AF3B625.2010306@gmail.com>
	<4AF447CC.3050801@rugmonster.org>
Message-ID: <4AF4646D.6040202@channingc.com>

Daniel J. Givens wrote:
> On 11/05/2009 11:37 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>> Daniel J. Givens wrote:
>>> Bruce,
>>>
>>> For whatever reason, your firewall rules had sections of Rackspace
>>> blocked. I haven't received any mail from the list in months since
>>> moving my mail to an IP in the DFW data center. Please audit the
>>> blocked networks you had listed before putting them back up.
>>
>> I haven't put them back yet, but send me directly the IP addresses you
>> want to ensure don't get blocked and I'll make that happen.
>>
>> The problem is that I really don't like many thousands of attempts to
>> guess a password via ssh and many thousands more trying to use the mail
>> server as an open relay, which it isn't. Most of the attempts are from
>> Asia or Europe.
>>
>> -- Bruce
>
> My sending IP's are:
>
> sh-srv1.rugmonster.org has address 98.129.169.9
> sh-srv2.rugmonster.org has address 67.23.43.28 (migrating to)
>
> The blocking of whole chunks of the Internet is pretty bad practice 
> considering the nature of this public list/organization. Just the fact 
> that you had sections of Rackspace, the provider for the server, 
> blocked illustrates that quite poignantly.
>
> Generally, as long as you're using strong passwords, brute-force login 
> attempts via SSH are not of particular concern, as it's unfortunately 
> common. Using IPTables to limit SSH access to only certain IP 
> addresses is the best solution, but not always feasible. In that case, 
> you can use something like Fail2Ban on your server. Fail2ban scans log 
> files like /var/log/secure and bans IP that makes too many password 
> failures. It updates iptables rules automatically to block access for 
> a set amount of time.
>
> Another option that stops bots trying to log in via SSH is to change 
> the port the service listens on. On my servers, I have SSH listening 
> on port 2022 and have entries on my client machines for the hosts in 
> ~/.ssh/config to automatically use that when connecting.
>
> Since Fail2Ban works by matching regex in any log file, you can 
> configure it to block IPs for any kind of malicious activity. 
> Therefore, you could tailor it to block anyone that is trying to use 
> the server as an open-relay. Again, as long as the server is 
> configured properly, that shouldn't be a concern.
>
> You can also stop a lot of improper mail activity by configuring your 
> mail server with some sane rules. For example, with Postfix, I use the 
> following in /etc/postfix/main.cf:
>
> smtpd_delay_reject = yes
> smtpd_helo_required = yes
> disable_vrfy_command = yes
>
> smtpd_helo_restrictions =
>     permit_mynetworks,
>     reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname,
>     reject_invalid_helo_hostname,
>     reject_unknown_helo_hostname,
>     permit
>
> smtpd_sender_restrictions =
>     permit_sasl_authenticated,
>     permit_mynetworks,
>     reject_non_fqdn_sender,
>     reject_unknown_sender_domain,
>     permit
>
> smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
>     permit_mynetworks,
>     permit_sasl_authenticated,
>     reject_unauth_pipelining,
>     reject_non_fqdn_recipient,
>     reject_unknown_recipient_domain,
>     reject_unauth_destination,
>     reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net,
>     reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org,
>     permit
>
> Since permit_sasl_authenticated comes before any of the restrictions, 
> it doesn't matter where I'm sending from as long as I authenticate.
>
> If you're just worried about your logs getting cluttered up, use 
> something like logwatch to parse the logs and pull out the interesting 
> stuff. That alone shouldn't be a reason to block chunks of the 
> Internet, preventing access to what would be legitimate users.
>
> -- 
> Daniel
If I may also add to the list OSSEC for IDS, if you are going that 
route.  For ssh, I prefer to add an 'ssh_allow' group to the system, add 
my account to that group, and ensure that the following is in my 
sshd_config "AllowGroups ssh_allow". 

I would like to say thank you for being the administrator for these 
several years.  Your time is appreciated.

Channing


From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 13:17:20 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Fri Nov  6 13:17:43 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Nov and Dec computer show vendors?
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911061117m5f15621bp270133a83f4f8179@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a listing of who the vendors will be at these
computer shows?  Or maybe know where I can find one?

I would really love to go to one or both if I can get someone to bring
me over there...maybe one of my sisters will...

Thanks cheryl

-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:25:32 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Fri Nov  6 14:25:41 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <58771.82003.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <58771.82003.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200911061425.33069.jdchoate@gmail.com>

On Thursday 05 November 2009 23:18:22 Arthur Hall wrote:
> Chris,
>  
> Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community.  You'll find the folks on this list are very understanding and very helpful.  They have been generous with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers and software for refugee families.
>  
> Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows, I looked long and hard for a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally settled on Ubuntu.  You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux.  It has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and you can download even more when you're ready.
>  
> Glad to have you aboard.
>  
> Art

It is always advised to try out different Linux distributions... but... If you are running Mandriva 2010 and you like it, I doubt very much that you will be impressed by Ubuntu ;)
From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:43:11 2009
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Fri Nov  6 14:43:36 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <200911061425.33069.jdchoate@gmail.com>
References: <58771.82003.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200911061425.33069.jdchoate@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff67f9f70911061243h2c6de70eh7ea6154950ed5e0f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to give my vote for Ubuntu. I even have some e-books on learning
and administrating Ubuntu if you need them. :)

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday 05 November 2009 23:18:22 Arthur Hall wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community.  You'll find the folks on
> this list are very understanding and very helpful.  They have been generous
> with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers and
> software for refugee families.
> >
> > Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows, I looked long and hard for
> a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally settled
> on Ubuntu.  You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux.  It
> has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and
> you can download even more when you're ready.
> >
> > Glad to have you aboard.
> >
> > Art
>
> It is always advised to try out different Linux distributions... but... If
> you are running Mandriva 2010 and you like it, I doubt very much that you
> will be impressed by Ubuntu ;)
> --
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From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:46:56 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Fri Nov  6 14:47:19 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <200911061425.33069.jdchoate@gmail.com>
References: <58771.82003.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200911061425.33069.jdchoate@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911061246y3039cd2p79f22111edad9f76@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, I love Ubuntu Hardy Heron for ease of use and people
transitioning.  It gives you a nice taste for Linux since it is so
"windows" like and easy to use.

My 74 year old Mom uses it too and loves it fir ease of use.,  You
don't have to be an engineer or geek to use it and appreciate all the
wonderful benefits of Linux.  I think it is a grest starter distro.

There is great FREE tech support on Launchpad too with some very
helpful and knowledgable folks.  They explain things in very simple
and easy to understand ways for the ordinary person.

Dell added Ubuntu option to their operating systems for new units too
which I think is a good sign.c

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 05 November 2009 23:18:22 Arthur Hall wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community. ?You'll find the folks on this list are very understanding and very helpful. ?They have been generous with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers and software for refugee families.
>>
>> Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows, I looked long and hard for a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally settled on Ubuntu. ?You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux. ?It has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and you can download even more when you're ready.
>>
>> Glad to have you aboard.
>>
>> Art
>
> It is always advised to try out different Linux distributions... but... If you are running Mandriva 2010 and you like it, I doubt very much that you will be impressed by Ubuntu ;)
> --
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>



-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 17:02:25 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Fri Nov  6 17:02:27 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <4AF43792.7070401@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <957760.68355.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Todd for the input about the difference between OS and Distro. I'll pick up those books once I finish with the ones I picked up. 

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:

From: Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 2:49 PM

Christopher Connell wrote:
> Hey guys/gals,
> 
> Just wanted to introduce myself to the members of SATLUG. 
> My name is Chris and I'm new to Linux (like one week new... :-D ) 
> Anyway I go to UTSA (Communication Major) and work in a computer store. 
> I'm running Mandriva 2010 on a Dell D430. I know nothing about linux commands and hope I can learn that among other things. 
> I bought a few books: Linux Complete (2002), Hacking Knoppix, Fedora 10 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu for Dummies, Linux Troubleshooting Bible (2004), Beginning Ubuntu Linux, Linux for Dummies (8th Ed), Linux Bible (2008) 
> I bought so many books/ different OS because I was unsure what OS I actually wanted to install. I chose Mandriva because it installed on my system with little to no headaches and included a lot of free software that I was used to using (Open Office and Gimp) 
> v/r
> 
> Chris
>???
> 
>? ? ? ???
two of my favorite books on Linux are Linux in Nutshell (an absolute must have for anyone interested in Linux) and the Linux Cookbook.? Granted these books are written for the intermediate user, they will still be invaluable once you get the basics down.? Ohh year just a FYI your OS is Linux your distribution is Mandriva.? Also give Ubuntu a look its a great noob distro, with a great forum community.

Todd


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From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 17:04:55 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Fri Nov  6 17:04:56 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Nov and Dec computer show vendors?
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70911061117m5f15621bp270133a83f4f8179@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <387152.70068.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

http://www.pcshows.com/ and select vendor. I can't make the computer show because I work. 

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
Subject: [SATLUG] Nov and Dec computer show vendors?
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 7:17 PM

Does anyone have a listing of who the vendors will be at these
computer shows?? Or maybe know where I can find one?

I would really love to go to one or both if I can get someone to bring
me over there...maybe one of my sisters will...

Thanks cheryl

-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of? blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
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From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 17:22:18 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Fri Nov  6 17:22:19 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Why I choose Mandriva?
In-Reply-To: <200911061425.33069.jdchoate@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <192217.82906.qm@web45713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Actually I tested out various Live CD's before choosing Mandriva 2010. 
Ubuntu (9.10), Madriva 2009, Fedora (V. 11 KDE & GNOME), Vector Linux (6), Knoppix (6.0.1), Mepis (8.0.10), Suse (11.1), Kubuntu (9.04), PC Linux 2009, & gNewsense.

I really like Mandriva so far. It installed my wifi automatically and has lots of great programs.

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:

From: John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:25 PM

On Thursday 05 November 2009 23:18:22 Arthur Hall wrote:
> Chris,
>? 
> Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community.? You'll find the folks on this list are very understanding and very helpful.? They have been generous with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers and software for refugee families.
>? 
> Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows, I looked long and hard for a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally settled on Ubuntu.? You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux.? It has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and you can download even more when you're ready.
>? 
> Glad to have you aboard.
>? 
> Art

It is always advised to try out different Linux distributions... but... If you are running Mandriva 2010 and you like it, I doubt very much that you will be impressed by Ubuntu ;)
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From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 17:24:48 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Fri Nov  6 17:24:50 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70911061246y3039cd2p79f22111edad9f76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <329823.96137.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I'm still up for changing my distro if something fits what I need better. I tried Ubuntu and couldn't get my Dell wifi 1390 WLAN to recognize. Otherwise I liked Ubuntu.

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:46 PM

Personally, I love Ubuntu Hardy Heron for ease of use and people
transitioning.? It gives you a nice taste for Linux since it is so
"windows" like and easy to use.

My 74 year old Mom uses it too and loves it fir ease of use.,? You
don't have to be an engineer or geek to use it and appreciate all the
wonderful benefits of Linux.? I think it is a grest starter distro.

There is great FREE tech support on Launchpad too with some very
helpful and knowledgable folks.? They explain things in very simple
and easy to understand ways for the ordinary person.

Dell added Ubuntu option to their operating systems for new units too
which I think is a good sign.c

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 05 November 2009 23:18:22 Arthur Hall wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community. ?You'll find the folks on this list are very understanding and very helpful. ?They have been generous with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers and software for refugee families.
>>
>> Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows, I looked long and hard for a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally settled on Ubuntu. ?You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux. ?It has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and you can download even more when you're ready.
>>
>> Glad to have you aboard.
>>
>> Art
>
> It is always advised to try out different Linux distributions... but... If you are running Mandriva 2010 and you like it, I doubt very much that you will be impressed by Ubuntu ;)
> --
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unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of? blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
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From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 17:24:42 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Fri Nov  6 17:25:05 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Nov and Dec computer show vendors?
In-Reply-To: <387152.70068.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <7e4994a70911061117m5f15621bp270133a83f4f8179@mail.gmail.com> 
	<387152.70068.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911061524m41e29a1bt3e4af42b1204cff3@mail.gmail.com>

thank you chris.  too bad you can't go...maybe you can make it a club
meeting.  i would love to be more involved but not being able to drive
or see enough to get around, going places is not so easy for me.  plus
the parking at sac is atrocious and not safe for women at night!  :o(

c

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Christopher Connell
<connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.pcshows.com/ and select vendor. I can't make the computer show because I work.
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
> Subject: [SATLUG] Nov and Dec computer show vendors?
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 7:17 PM
>
> Does anyone have a listing of who the vendors will be at these
> computer shows?? Or maybe know where I can find one?
>
> I would really love to go to one or both if I can get someone to bring
> me over there...maybe one of my sisters will...
>
> Thanks cheryl
>
> --
> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of? blessed little
> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
> 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
> --
> _______________________________________________
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> SATLUG@satlug.org
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>
>
>
>
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From hharadon at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 09:36:44 2009
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Sat Nov  7 09:36:49 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <329823.96137.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <7e4994a70911061246y3039cd2p79f22111edad9f76@mail.gmail.com>
	<329823.96137.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e5fa90240911070736h4053dc36p6dbec4cb46c9524c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Christopher Connell
<connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm still up for changing my distro if something fits what I need better. I tried Ubuntu and couldn't get my Dell wifi 1390 WLAN to recognize. Otherwise I liked Ubuntu.
>  <SNIP>

Welcome to you, Chris.  Your technique has always
been my Linux distro selection method.  If the OS can set
up my video and network properly, then it's a keeper.  I have
found that none can get the sound all right, but after some
playing around, it will usually reach the adequate stage.

There will be a training class for newbies as a part of the
Open Source Fest in the late fall or early winter.  Steve
Kolars at SAC will be announcing the dates for this.

Good luck,  Howard
-- 
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San Antonio, TX  USA
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Sat Nov  7 13:06:27 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Sat Nov  7 13:06:35 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <957760.68355.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <957760.68355.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AF5C533.5040008@grandecom.net>

IMO, a geeks choice of distro is like ones choice in a mate.  Personally 
I tried Mandriva, she looked good, but it seemed a bit too temperamental 
for me.  Ubuntu on the other hand, while a bit plain looking at times, 
is very dependable, and more importantly I know her quirks. 

All that said, your choice of a distro is something that you have to 
live with on a daily basis.  You get to choose how your hardware runs 
and what runs on it,  I tell you what that other OS  she's a real 
bossy...well i won't slide completely into a misogynistic MS rant

Todd

Christopher Connell wrote:
> Thanks Todd for the input about the difference between OS and Distro. I'll pick up those books once I finish with the ones I picked up. 
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:
>
> From: Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 2:49 PM
>
> Christopher Connell wrote:
>   
>> Hey guys/gals,
>>
>> Just wanted to introduce myself to the members of SATLUG. 
>> My name is Chris and I'm new to Linux (like one week new... :-D ) 
>> Anyway I go to UTSA (Communication Major) and work in a computer store. 
>> I'm running Mandriva 2010 on a Dell D430. I know nothing about linux commands and hope I can learn that among other things. 
>> I bought a few books: Linux Complete (2002), Hacking Knoppix, Fedora 10 & Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu for Dummies, Linux Troubleshooting Bible (2004), Beginning Ubuntu Linux, Linux for Dummies (8th Ed), Linux Bible (2008) 
>> I bought so many books/ different OS because I was unsure what OS I actually wanted to install. I chose Mandriva because it installed on my system with little to no headaches and included a lot of free software that I was used to using (Open Office and Gimp) 
>> v/r
>>
>> Chris
>>    
>>
>>          
>>     
> two of my favorite books on Linux are Linux in Nutshell (an absolute must have for anyone interested in Linux) and the Linux Cookbook.  Granted these books are written for the intermediate user, they will still be invaluable once you get the basics down.  Ohh year just a FYI your OS is Linux your distribution is Mandriva.  Also give Ubuntu a look its a great noob distro, with a great forum community.
>
> Todd
>
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From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 17:31:46 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Sat Nov  7 17:31:49 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] To Howard: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240911070736h4053dc36p6dbec4cb46c9524c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319847.7373.qm@web45714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The newbie training sounds exciting. Where will Steve Kolars be making his announcements? SAC website? 

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 3:36 PM
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:24 PM,
> Christopher Connell
> <connell.christopher@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm still up for changing my distro if something fits
> what I need better. I tried Ubuntu and couldn't get my Dell
> wifi 1390 WLAN to recognize. Otherwise I liked Ubuntu.
> >? <SNIP>
> 
> Welcome to you, Chris.? Your technique has always
> been my Linux distro selection method.? If the OS can
> set
> up my video and network properly, then it's a keeper.?
> I have
> found that none can get the sound all right, but after
> some
> playing around, it will usually reach the adequate stage.
> 
> There will be a training class for newbies as a part of
> the
> Open Source Fest in the late fall or early winter.?
> Steve
> Kolars at SAC will be announcing the dates for this.
> 
> Good luck,? Howard
> -- 
> Howard Haradon
> San Antonio, TX? USA
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From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  7 20:31:11 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Sat Nov  7 20:31:16 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] To Howard: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <319847.7373.qm@web45714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <e5fa90240911070736h4053dc36p6dbec4cb46c9524c@mail.gmail.com>
	<319847.7373.qm@web45714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e0bcf5t3bmoor2a954vekitd12ivtetiv1@4ax.com>

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:31:46 -0800 (PST), Christopher Connell
<connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:

<<regarding Open Source Fest>>

>The newbie training sounds exciting. Where will Steve Kolars be making his announcements? SAC website? 

Previous Fests have been published here on this list, as well as the
Official Website, see below.  --Don

http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/

-- 
Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms!
From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 21:47:40 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Sat Nov  7 21:47:41 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] To Howard: Introduction
In-Reply-To: <e0bcf5t3bmoor2a954vekitd12ivtetiv1@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <861478.14503.qm@web45706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Don. Much appreciated. 

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Don Wright <satlug@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Don Wright <satlug@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] To Howard: Introduction
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:31 AM

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:31:46 -0800 (PST), Christopher Connell
<connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:

<<regarding Open Source Fest>>

>The newbie training sounds exciting. Where will Steve Kolars be making his announcements? SAC website? 

Previous Fests have been published here on this list, as well as the
Official Website, see below.? --Don

http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/

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From lamont_doss at satx.rr.com  Sun Nov  8 09:33:12 2009
From: lamont_doss at satx.rr.com (lamont_doss@satx.rr.com)
Date: Sun Nov  8 09:33:18 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
Message-ID: <20091108153312.N0FMV.75368.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>

Without venturing into a GNOME vs KDE conversation, is anyone currently using KDE4.3.3? Thoughts?
From satlug at net153.net  Sun Nov  8 16:26:04 2009
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Sun Nov  8 16:26:10 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
In-Reply-To: <20091108153312.N0FMV.75368.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
References: <20091108153312.N0FMV.75368.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
Message-ID: <4AF7457C.7060303@net153.net>

lamont_doss@satx.rr.com wrote:
> Without venturing into a GNOME vs KDE conversation, is anyone currently using KDE4.3.3? Thoughts?

I am using 4.2.2 in debian testing.  An update to 4.3.1 is available, 
not sure when I will update.  Seems to be nothing but bug fixes.  I 
haven't really had any problems with the kde 4.x series other than some 
apps that are missing because they haven't been ported from 3.5 yet..
Sam
From jeremymann at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 16:31:40 2009
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Sun Nov  8 16:31:47 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
In-Reply-To: <20091108153312.N0FMV.75368.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
References: <20091108153312.N0FMV.75368.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0911081431x7bdf8390h7cb50f9cf45aeefa@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM,  <lamont_doss@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Without venturing into a GNOME vs KDE conversation, is anyone currently using KDE4.3.3? Thoughts?

I've got KDE 4.3 on a test laptop with Slackware 13. GUI is fantastic
looking, but I've found its somewhat CPU intensive.



-- 
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From satlug at net153.net  Sun Nov  8 17:09:36 2009
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Sun Nov  8 17:09:39 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
In-Reply-To: <4AF7457C.7060303@net153.net>
References: <20091108153312.N0FMV.75368.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
	<4AF7457C.7060303@net153.net>
Message-ID: <4AF74FB0.8000604@net153.net>

Samuel Leon wrote:
> lamont_doss@satx.rr.com wrote:
>> Without venturing into a GNOME vs KDE conversation, is anyone 
>> currently using KDE4.3.3? Thoughts?
> 
> I am using 4.2.2 in debian testing.  An update to 4.3.1 is available, 
> not sure when I will update.  Seems to be nothing but bug fixes.  I 
> haven't really had any problems with the kde 4.x series other than some 
> apps that are missing because they haven't been ported from 3.5 yet..
> Sam


Correction. I had part kde 4.2.2 and 4.3.1 stuff.  Just updated and 
everything is 4.3.2 now.  No problems

Sam
From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 17:42:44 2009
From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (Typing on an upside-down keyboard.)
Date: Sun Nov  8 17:42:49 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0911081431x7bdf8390h7cb50f9cf45aeefa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <655072.99356.qm@web113502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jeremy Mann <jeremymann@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got KDE 4.3 on a test laptop with Slackware 13. GUI is fantastic 
> looking, but I've found its somewhat CPU intensive.

In openSUSE it's a huge resource hog. In Mandriva it's not nearly as bad, almost nice. But just almost. 



      
From alvin.schurman at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 18:05:58 2009
From: alvin.schurman at gmail.com (Alvin Schurman)
Date: Sun Nov  8 18:06:04 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Upcoming Meetings?
Message-ID: <662802d40911081605t7bc6ffb0s6c2f0364e446e4e7@mail.gmail.com>

Satlug,

Hello!  I'm a new member of the mailing list and I was wondering if there
are any meetings coming up?  I didn't see anything on the website.

Alvin
**
From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  8 18:27:06 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov  8 18:27:08 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Upcoming Meetings?
In-Reply-To: <662802d40911081605t7bc6ffb0s6c2f0364e446e4e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <662802d40911081605t7bc6ffb0s6c2f0364e446e4e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <svnef5d1gf7metna9ktsh68lvlbo94ujgo@4ax.com>

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:05:58 -0600, Alvin Schurman
<alvin.schurman@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hello!  I'm a new member of the mailing list and I was wondering if there
>are any meetings coming up?  I didn't see anything on the website.

Welcome! The next SATLUG meeting is this Thursday, November 12, at 6:30
PM at SAC, most likely in the basement of Nail Technical Center across
from the elevator. See the website for map info.

Next after that is the Computer Show and Super Sale at Live Oak Civic
Center on Saturday, Nov. 14, from 9 AM to 5 PM. www.pcshows.com (Don't
forget the final 's' if typing that. There's a $1 off admission coupon
if you get it right.)

The following Monday evening, Nov. 16, has the XCSSA meeting, again at
SAC. That's a sister organization with a lot of overlap of members and
interests. They hide out at www.xcssa.org.

Hope to see you at one or more of those!  --Don

-- 
A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into.
From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  8 18:29:55 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov  8 18:29:57 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
In-Reply-To: <655072.99356.qm@web113502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <79ec289f0911081431x7bdf8390h7cb50f9cf45aeefa@mail.gmail.com>
	<655072.99356.qm@web113502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <tlnef5t54g9p2t8n652atd18uo94abo3br@4ax.com>

>--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jeremy Mann <jeremymann@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've got KDE 4.3 on a test laptop with Slackware 13. GUI is fantastic 
>> looking, but I've found its somewhat CPU intensive.

On Sun "Typing on an upside-down keyboard." <ovalvw57@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In openSUSE it's a huge resource hog. In Mandriva it's not nearly as bad, almost nice. But just almost.


Is that on the new Mandriva 2010 and OpenSUSE 11.2 RC2 (or later)? I'll
know not to push those Saturday (pc show) if it is.  --Don

-- 
Cry 'Yvahk' and let slip the GNUs of war!
  --Don 391925f6
From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 18:55:05 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Sun Nov  8 18:55:07 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3/Mandriva
Message-ID: <956073.51523.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I'm still a noob so bare with me. I'm not sure what Mandriva runs like with KDE 4.3.3. I'm running Mandriva 2010 with GNOME 2.28.0 and it seems to be running OK. I have noticed a few bugs. Epiphany will occassionally go grey and freeze up. Firefox will display a message npviewer.bin has crashed. Downloading "Seamonkey" seems to be the easiest fix. It's close enough to Firefox (Based off the Mozilla open source code for Firefox). 

Also, as Howard pointed out, there was an issue with the sound when I played Uplink. (Yeah I know I'm a nerd playing a hacker game that's nothing like hacking. :-) ) 

Lastly, my smartcard reader and SD camera card reader don't work. But those are linux issues. I found a driver from MUSCLE (Movement for the use of smartcards in a linux enviornment) that I'm going to try out to get the smartcard working.

All-in-all Mandriva has been a good distro. I'd imagine that the KDE version would behave the same.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Typing on an upside-down keyboard. <ovalvw57@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Typing on an upside-down keyboard. <ovalvw57@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
 <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:42 PM

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jeremy Mann <jeremymann@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got KDE 4.3 on a test laptop with Slackware 13. GUI is fantastic 
> looking, but I've found its somewhat CPU intensive.

In openSUSE it's a huge resource hog. In Mandriva it's not nearly as bad, almost nice. But just almost. 



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From lamont_doss at satx.rr.com  Sun Nov  8 19:56:45 2009
From: lamont_doss at satx.rr.com (Clifton Lamont Doss)
Date: Sun Nov  8 19:57:01 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3/Mandriva
In-Reply-To: <956073.51523.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <956073.51523.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200911081956.45760.lamont_doss@satx.rr.com>

Just installed the openSuse 11.2 RC and then KDE4.3.3 from the repos. So far 
so good....at least, once I finished tweaking my fonts and installing various 
codecs. Not the resource hog I was expecting. I'll try to break it later this 
evening.



On Sunday 08 November 2009 06:55:05 pm Christopher Connell wrote:
> I'm still a noob so bare with me. I'm not sure what Mandriva runs like with
>  KDE 4.3.3. I'm running Mandriva 2010 with GNOME 2.28.0 and it seems to be
>  running OK. I have noticed a few bugs. Epiphany will occassionally go grey
>  and freeze up. Firefox will display a message npviewer.bin has crashed.
>  Downloading "Seamonkey" seems to be the easiest fix. It's close enough to
>  Firefox (Based off the Mozilla open source code for Firefox).
> 
> Also, as Howard pointed out, there was an issue with the sound when I
>  played Uplink. (Yeah I know I'm a nerd playing a hacker game that's
>  nothing like hacking. :-) )
> 
> Lastly, my smartcard reader and SD camera card reader don't work. But those
>  are linux issues. I found a driver from MUSCLE (Movement for the use of
>  smartcards in a linux enviornment) that I'm going to try out to get the
>  smartcard working.
> 
> All-in-all Mandriva has been a good distro. I'd imagine that the KDE
>  version would behave the same.
> 
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Typing on an upside-down keyboard.
>  <ovalvw57@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Typing on an upside-down keyboard. <ovalvw57@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
>  <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:42 PM
> 
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jeremy Mann <jeremymann@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've got KDE 4.3 on a test laptop with Slackware 13. GUI is fantastic
> > looking, but I've found its somewhat CPU intensive.
> 
> In openSUSE it's a huge resource hog. In Mandriva it's not nearly as bad,
>  almost nice. But just almost.
> 
> 
> 
>      
> 
From othniel at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 21:42:12 2009
From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen)
Date: Sun Nov  8 21:42:18 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Upcoming Meetings?
In-Reply-To: <662802d40911081605t7bc6ffb0s6c2f0364e446e4e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <662802d40911081605t7bc6ffb0s6c2f0364e446e4e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24b598f60911081942s6106348ahdd0a23fc2fcca6c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm planning to present a demo of the new mobile internet service deployed
here in San Antonio
at this week's meeting.  It is called WiMax and what they have done is
create a wireless hotspot
which encircles San Antonio out to 1604.  The name of the company is
Clear.com and they are
backed by some of the biggest names in computing other than microsoft.

The service starts at $25 per month and while there is no activation fee,
you will have to purchase
or lease your equipment to get mobile internet service.  This means you are
not limited to using
Internet at home, but can take it (The Internet) with you.

This is going to take off.

For $30 per month you get service with even more Upload and Download
bandwidth.  I presently have
DSL -- the 3rd level of DSL speed and CLEAR is twice as fast as my DSL and
is mobile!

They have both a USB adapter and an Ethernet style Access Point which you
can connect to
your Router.  For both its $55/month.  They have a Vonage type service for
voice over IP calling.

This is the 4G network you have been hearing about.  Come to the meeting and
see it in action.

Othniel Graichen

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Alvin Schurman <alvin.schurman@gmail.com>wrote:

> Satlug,
>
> Hello!  I'm a new member of the mailing list and I was wondering if there
> are any meetings coming up?  I didn't see anything on the website.
>
> Alvin
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From youcanlinux at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 21:53:35 2009
From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal)
Date: Sun Nov  8 21:53:40 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] semi-OT: burning iso's to dvd - bypass MS and just use 
	older version of Knoppix that has K3B
Message-ID: <f53bee740911081953u65781ee8i478ada8e2f494ae@mail.gmail.com>

I'd recommend booting up Knoppix 5x into RAM, so you can remove the CD-ROM
and use the K3B application to cook the iso.

good luck and let us know how it goes!

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Geoff <geofff@w5omr.shacknet.nu> wrote:

> I'm trying to burn openSUSE-DVD-Build0339-i586.iso to a DVD with Nero-7
> on a Winders Ex-pee box.
>
> I want to install SuSE 11.2 on my dual-core 2.8GH Dell box w/1.5g of ram.
>
> So far, I think I've managed to build 4 DVD coasters.  :-(
> (burning CD iso's isn't a problem)
>
> I'm at a loss.
>
> ...
From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 23:41:54 2009
From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (Typing on an upside-down keyboard.)
Date: Sun Nov  8 23:41:57 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3
In-Reply-To: <tlnef5t54g9p2t8n652atd18uo94abo3br@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <872926.12739.qm@web113505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Don Wright <satlug@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Is that on the new Mandriva 2010 and OpenSUSE 11.2 RC2 (or later)? 
> I'll know not to push those Saturday (pc show) if it is. 

Mandriva 2010 and openSUSE 11.1. I haven't tried 11.2, I'm waiting for 11.2 to hit susestudio and then just roll my own.



      
From hharadon at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:03:57 2009
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Mon Nov  9 09:04:04 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Time this Thursday ?
Message-ID: <e5fa90240911090703p48383ce0r508e3ce6a2178306@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,  I saw Don's post about the meeting
time being 6:30PM.  Is this something new?
Our web site still says 7PM ? ?

Also,  maybe Steve K. could post the
meeting room.

Thanks,  Howard
-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 10:19:37 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Mon Nov  9 10:19:48 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3/Mandriva
In-Reply-To: <956073.51523.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <956073.51523.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200911091019.37460.jdchoate@gmail.com>

On Sunday 08 November 2009 18:55:05 Christopher Connell wrote:
> I'm still a noob so bare with me. I'm not sure what Mandriva runs like with KDE 4.3.3. I'm running Mandriva 2010 with GNOME 2.28.0 and it seems to be running OK. I have noticed a few bugs. Epiphany will occassionally go grey and freeze up. Firefox will display a message npviewer.bin has crashed. Downloading "Seamonkey" seems to be the easiest fix. It's close enough to Firefox (Based off the Mozilla open source code for Firefox). 
> 
> Also, as Howard pointed out, there was an issue with the sound when I played Uplink. (Yeah I know I'm a nerd playing a hacker game that's nothing like hacking. :-) ) 
> 
> Lastly, my smartcard reader and SD camera card reader don't work. But those are linux issues. I found a driver from MUSCLE (Movement for the use of smartcards in a linux enviornment) that I'm going to try out to get the smartcard working.
> 
> All-in-all Mandriva has been a good distro. I'd imagine that the KDE version would behave the same.
> 

The smartcard reader and SD card reader MIGHT be fixed by logging in as root and restarting the HAL service... like so:
Open a terminal and type the command 'su', followed by the root password. As root, issue the following command:
'/etc/init.d/haldaemon stop'
wait a few seconds before doing:
'/etc/init.d/haldaemon start'

That should fix access to removable drives on the USB bus.
If that works, let me know and I'll help you to automate that process.

I have never tried the following, but I read that disabling Mandriva's fastboot feature can fix that also. Apparently with kernel 2.6.31.x, haldaemon starts at the wrong time during boot to be properly compatible with Mandriva's fastboot feature.

If you are having sound issues, they are most likely caused by Pulse Audio, the sometimes loved, often hated sound service. That can be fixed by downloading the pulseaudio source code version 0.19 and compiling it for the computer in question. This is quite a process as pulseaudio has some dependencies which need to be compiled and installed first, in addition to several development packages to be installed in Mandriva.
I had to do this on my desktop machine, but not on my laptop.

I have no advice on epiphany, as I use KDE with Opera browser and Firefox only on occasion.

I also can't speak for KDE 4.3.3 specifically because I went from 4.3.2 to 4.3.73, which is 4.3.3 with a few new tweaks/bugfixes in preparation for the 4.4 version.


John C.
From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  9 11:21:49 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Mon Nov  9 11:21:55 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Time this Thursday ?
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240911090703p48383ce0r508e3ce6a2178306@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5fa90240911090703p48383ce0r508e3ce6a2178306@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mnjgf5hd956nlhnetebbjdras5j5kcpkpk@4ax.com>

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:03:57 -0600, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi,  I saw Don's post about the meeting
>time being 6:30PM.  Is this something new?
>Our web site still says 7PM ? ?

No, not exactly. That's how I have it on my calendar so I don't get
there too late. The official meeting start is still at 7.

Sorry for any confusion.  --Don

-- 
A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into.
From hc at lookcee.com  Mon Nov  9 17:04:02 2009
From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee)
Date: Mon Nov  9 17:24:11 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3/Mandriva
In-Reply-To: <200911091019.37460.jdchoate@gmail.com>
References: <956073.51523.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<200911091019.37460.jdchoate@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF89FE2.6080609@lookcee.com>

John D Choate wrote:
> On Sunday 08 November 2009 18:55:05 Christopher Connell wrote:
>   
>> I'm still a noob so bare with me. I'm not sure what Mandriva runs like with KDE 4.3.3. I'm running Mandriva 2010 with GNOME 2.28.0 and it seems to be running OK. I have noticed a few bugs. Epiphany will occassionally go grey and freeze up. Firefox will display a message npviewer.bin has crashed. Downloading "Seamonkey" seems to be the easiest fix. It's close enough to Firefox (Based off the Mozilla open source code for Firefox). 
>>
>> Also, as Howard pointed out, there was an issue with the sound when I played Uplink. (Yeah I know I'm a nerd playing a hacker game that's nothing like hacking. :-) ) 
>>
>> Lastly, my smartcard reader and SD camera card reader don't work. But those are linux issues. I found a driver from MUSCLE (Movement for the use of smartcards in a linux enviornment) that I'm going to try out to get the smartcard working.
>>
>> All-in-all Mandriva has been a good distro. I'd imagine that the KDE version would behave the same.
>>
>>     
>
> The smartcard reader and SD card reader MIGHT be fixed by logging in as root and restarting the HAL service... like so:
> Open a terminal and type the command 'su', followed by the root password. As root, issue the following command:
> '/etc/init.d/haldaemon stop'
> wait a few seconds before doing:
> '/etc/init.d/haldaemon start'
>
> That should fix access to removable drives on the USB bus.
> If that works, let me know and I'll help you to automate that process.
>
> I have never tried the following, but I read that disabling Mandriva's fastboot feature can fix that also. Apparently with kernel 2.6.31.x, haldaemon starts at the wrong time during boot to be properly compatible with Mandriva's fastboot feature.
>
> If you are having sound issues, they are most likely caused by Pulse Audio, the sometimes loved, often hated sound service. That can be fixed by downloading the pulseaudio source code version 0.19 and compiling it for the computer in question. This is quite a process as pulseaudio has some dependencies which need to be compiled and installed first, in addition to several development packages to be installed in Mandriva.
> I had to do this on my desktop machine, but not on my laptop.
>
> I have no advice on epiphany, as I use KDE with Opera browser and Firefox only on occasion.
>
> I also can't speak for KDE 4.3.3 specifically because I went from 4.3.2 to 4.3.73, which is 4.3.3 with a few new tweaks/bugfixes in preparation for the 4.4 version.
>
>
> John C.
>   
I can't contribute but just say thanks cause does help me in learning 
the huge menu of Linux. As a 2yr noob I am gonna stick with Ubuntu 
because it just works and in these past two yrs all the updates have 
been made with my permission all automatically and only couple minor 
glitches that got fixed tru the forum So I think learning Linux is so 
much easier under that level of support. However that said I will be so 
glad when some memory finally arrives so I can have my test box running 
again to try out various versions and flavors of Linux.

Anyway Christopher figure out what you want cause you already have 
gotten a good sample of the friendly help available. Welcome to the list.
hh
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 02:35:48 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Tue Nov 10 02:36:13 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, do any of you have  Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from Dell?
If so, which model machine and do you like it?  What don't you like about it?

Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?

The mini towers look so cramped for all those heated electronicsl  Do
the have heat issues and are the components like half size compared to
full size?

Dual core processor or single ..which is more reliable and faster?

I'm thinking of seeing about buying a new tower from Dell if I can
qualify for payments since a large capitol outlay is out of the
question.  I really do not want to deal with "old" stuff any more
either..

I haven't called Dell yet because I want to see what others think
first.  I would also want to check out the mobo specs in whatever
tower I might be interested in.

Not sure Dell selld just the tower but plan to check.  I did see they
have a good deal on an Ubuntu machine with monitor and everything but
it's not what I really need or quite what I want.

Thanks cheryl
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 11:15:34 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Tue Nov 10 11:15:58 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <4AF969E6.6090404@gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AF969E6.6090404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911100915i4fe5b232v35c972f649497a64@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Michael...I know about those places and also about Discount PC
I am on disability and just never have an extra 100.00+  laying
around.  would be nice if I did!  :o)  I just live on a very tight
budget.

Dell has a complete system with Ubuntu for $419.00 includes 29"
monitor, kybd, mouse but I don't need all that.  They monthly payment
for that one is $15.00 wich for me is a lot easier to handle.
because it's a small monthly payment instead of 1 large chunk!

Since I don't need all that and really want just the tower, I want to
see if I can only buy a tower from them.  Just the towersimilarly
configured I am hoping will cost even less...

Thank you very much for taking the time to suggest some ideas..I LOVE
plundering in that Goodwill store.  Sister bought a really nice HP all
in one prointer there.

cheryl


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Michael <mmorse757@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cheryl Holmes wrote:
>> Hi, do any of you have ?Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from Dell?
>> If so, which model machine and do you like it? ?What don't you like about it?
>>
>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>>
>> The mini towers look so cramped for all those heated electronicsl ?Do
>> the have heat issues and are the components like half size compared to
>> full size?
>>
>> Dual core processor or single ..which is more reliable and faster?
>>
>> I'm thinking of seeing about buying a new tower from Dell if I can
>> qualify for payments since a large capitol outlay is out of the
>> question. ?I really do not want to deal with "old" stuff any more
>> either..
>>
> Cheryl,
>
> You may wish to consider Good Will. ?They have some many Dell towers.
> Yes, of course they are used, but they are in amazingly good shape.
> They are around the $100. range.
>
> Also, in the local newspaper /Current/ there is a computer company (PC
> Outlet ?http://www.sa-pc.com ) that sells refurbished Dells. ?The are
> around the $100 - 120. ?One of my friends bought one and it looked brand
> new. ?He has had it for about four months now has had no problems. ?No,
> I am not affiliated with the company ;) ?My two cents is buy a Dell from
> this store or from Good Will.
>
> Have fun researching!
>
> Michael
> --
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When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From hharadon at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 14:19:44 2009
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Tue Nov 10 14:19:46 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, do any of you have ?Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from Dell?
> If so, which model machine and do you like it? ?What don't you like about it?
>
> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?

If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay.  There are
numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship with
Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
prices.  Your biggest
savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping cost.

Good luck,  Howard
-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA
From Channing.ML at channingc.com  Tue Nov 10 14:44:13 2009
From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 14:44:18 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF9D09D.8040504@channingc.com>

Howard Haradon wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi, do any of you have  Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from Dell?
>> If so, which model machine and do you like it?  What don't you like about it?
>>
>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>>     
>
> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay.  There are
> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship with
> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
> prices.  Your biggest
> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping cost.
>
> Good luck,  Howard
>   
outlet.dell.com - get the number from their site and have a sales person 
find the system for you.  they have 4 levels from never used to 
refurbished.

From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 15:13:54 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Tue Nov 10 15:14:17 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com> 
	<e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911101313m1d9ddcf8wa609d73170c5578f@mail.gmail.com>

LOL Howard...that new smell with all the lead and toxic chemicals
doesn't appeal to me at all. In fact I have to be very careful with
chemicals since I have environmental illness and have had toxic
poisoning in the past.

For me, I want at least 2.8 mgh processor and 2 gig mem.I love to
watch a lot of streaming video on my vwet large LCD monitor.  I also
love to watch DVD;s on it.  The streaming video I watch now is HD so I
need something that can handle that too.  Lots abt the net and web
pages have changed so much even in the last 7 months!

I do a lot of ediucational viewing and reading when I can get good
enough graphics ability to be able to see it.  There is a Harvard
professor who has lectures online that I am nuts about...I really miss
them.

I am so bored and lonesome at times all by myself I could scream.
There is absolitely nothing on the idiot box worth watching/  As blind
as I am which is worse than legally blind, I can't go anywhere or do
anyting so I have no contact with the outside world at all except for
whatever I can do online.  I only leave the house nce or twice monthly
to go to a doctors appointment, so I am very isolated and alone.  A
good PC allows me to not only reach the outside world, but order
things I need at home, entertain myself and enjoy continued learning
from the research I love doing and through educational programs and
lectures.  It keeps my mind occupied as well.

I plan to check out something with Izzy because for me it looks like
the best deal...money wise too...I need to chk out the mobo specs to
see if I can do all the things I want too with the $74.00 pc he
has...and if the mem that is standard on that model can be bumped
up...I also think I can add my dvd burner to it and swap the HD that
comes with it for my Hardy drive.  Basically all I would need to do
with that one is bump up the mem on it because 512 isn't enugh...sio I
would want to max it out..

Luckily my birthday is This Thursday and some BD money is trickling in
now so I may be able to buy it this week...wish me luck Howard...

OOOO that new plastic smell is just awful on those new pc's..very
nauseating...lol
c






On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, do any of you have ?Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from Dell?
>> If so, which model machine and do you like it? ?What don't you like about it?
>>
>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>
> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay. ?There are
> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship with
> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
> prices. ?Your biggest
> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping cost.
>
> Good luck, ?Howard
> --
> Howard Haradon
> San Antonio, TX ?USA
> --
> _______________________________________________
> SATLUG mailing list
> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>



-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 16:49:42 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Tue Nov 10 16:50:05 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70911101313m1d9ddcf8wa609d73170c5578f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com> 
	<e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7e4994a70911101313m1d9ddcf8wa609d73170c5578f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911101449l26d712c1u6f1f7f667edf6b0e@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone have Izzy's email address so I can contact him?  I do most
things by email since I can't see to read and write on paper
etc..thanks c

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL Howard...that new smell with all the lead and toxic chemicals
> doesn't appeal to me at all. In fact I have to be very careful with
> chemicals since I have environmental illness and have had toxic
> poisoning in the past.
>
> For me, I want at least 2.8 mgh processor and 2 gig mem.I love to
> watch a lot of streaming video on my vwet large LCD monitor. ?I also
> love to watch DVD;s on it. ?The streaming video I watch now is HD so I
> need something that can handle that too. ?Lots abt the net and web
> pages have changed so much even in the last 7 months!
>
> I do a lot of ediucational viewing and reading when I can get good
> enough graphics ability to be able to see it. ?There is a Harvard
> professor who has lectures online that I am nuts about...I really miss
> them.
>
> I am so bored and lonesome at times all by myself I could scream.
> There is absolitely nothing on the idiot box worth watching/ ?As blind
> as I am which is worse than legally blind, I can't go anywhere or do
> anyting so I have no contact with the outside world at all except for
> whatever I can do online. ?I only leave the house nce or twice monthly
> to go to a doctors appointment, so I am very isolated and alone. ?A
> good PC allows me to not only reach the outside world, but order
> things I need at home, entertain myself and enjoy continued learning
> from the research I love doing and through educational programs and
> lectures. ?It keeps my mind occupied as well.
>
> I plan to check out something with Izzy because for me it looks like
> the best deal...money wise too...I need to chk out the mobo specs to
> see if I can do all the things I want too with the $74.00 pc he
> has...and if the mem that is standard on that model can be bumped
> up...I also think I can add my dvd burner to it and swap the HD that
> comes with it for my Hardy drive. ?Basically all I would need to do
> with that one is bump up the mem on it because 512 isn't enugh...sio I
> would want to max it out..
>
> Luckily my birthday is This Thursday and some BD money is trickling in
> now so I may be able to buy it this week...wish me luck Howard...
>
> OOOO that new plastic smell is just awful on those new pc's..very
> nauseating...lol
> c
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, do any of you have ?Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from Dell?
>>> If so, which model machine and do you like it? ?What don't you like about it?
>>>
>>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>>
>> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
>> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay. ?There are
>> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship with
>> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
>> prices. ?Your biggest
>> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping cost.
>>
>> Good luck, ?Howard
>> --
>> Howard Haradon
>> San Antonio, TX ?USA
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> SATLUG mailing list
>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of ?blessed little
> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
> 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
>



-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From pjcrux at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 17:06:01 2009
From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross)
Date: Tue Nov 10 17:06:05 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70911101449l26d712c1u6f1f7f667edf6b0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e4994a70911101313m1d9ddcf8wa609d73170c5578f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e4994a70911101449l26d712c1u6f1f7f667edf6b0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0911101506k4c4c9afalbc06cb2db3008846@mail.gmail.com>

if you mean Izzy's Computer Depot the number off of the website is:

210-340-3680

Hope that helps,

Peter

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>wrote:

> does anyone have Izzy's email address so I can contact him?  I do most
> things by email since I can't see to read and write on paper
> etc..thanks c
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > LOL Howard...that new smell with all the lead and toxic chemicals
> > doesn't appeal to me at all. In fact I have to be very careful with
> > chemicals since I have environmental illness and have had toxic
> > poisoning in the past.
> >
> > For me, I want at least 2.8 mgh processor and 2 gig mem.I love to
> > watch a lot of streaming video on my vwet large LCD monitor.  I also
> > love to watch DVD;s on it.  The streaming video I watch now is HD so I
> > need something that can handle that too.  Lots abt the net and web
> > pages have changed so much even in the last 7 months!
> >
> > I do a lot of ediucational viewing and reading when I can get good
> > enough graphics ability to be able to see it.  There is a Harvard
> > professor who has lectures online that I am nuts about...I really miss
> > them.
> >
> > I am so bored and lonesome at times all by myself I could scream.
> > There is absolitely nothing on the idiot box worth watching/  As blind
> > as I am which is worse than legally blind, I can't go anywhere or do
> > anyting so I have no contact with the outside world at all except for
> > whatever I can do online.  I only leave the house nce or twice monthly
> > to go to a doctors appointment, so I am very isolated and alone.  A
> > good PC allows me to not only reach the outside world, but order
> > things I need at home, entertain myself and enjoy continued learning
> > from the research I love doing and through educational programs and
> > lectures.  It keeps my mind occupied as well.
> >
> > I plan to check out something with Izzy because for me it looks like
> > the best deal...money wise too...I need to chk out the mobo specs to
> > see if I can do all the things I want too with the $74.00 pc he
> > has...and if the mem that is standard on that model can be bumped
> > up...I also think I can add my dvd burner to it and swap the HD that
> > comes with it for my Hardy drive.  Basically all I would need to do
> > with that one is bump up the mem on it because 512 isn't enugh...sio I
> > would want to max it out..
> >
> > Luckily my birthday is This Thursday and some BD money is trickling in
> > now so I may be able to buy it this week...wish me luck Howard...
> >
> > OOOO that new plastic smell is just awful on those new pc's..very
> > nauseating...lol
> > c
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <
> cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi, do any of you have  Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from
> Dell?
> >>> If so, which model machine and do you like it?  What don't you like
> about it?
> >>>
> >>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
> >>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
> >>
> >> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
> >> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay.  There
> are
> >> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship
> with
> >> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
> >> prices.  Your biggest
> >> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping
> cost.
> >>
> >> Good luck,  Howard
> >> --
> >> Howard Haradon
> >> San Antonio, TX  USA
> >> --
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> SATLUG mailing list
> >> SATLUG@satlug.org
> >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
> >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
> > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
> > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
> > 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
> >
>
>
>
> --
> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
> 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
> --
> _______________________________________________
> SATLUG mailing list
> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>



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Cheers!

Peter J. Cross
San Antonio, TX

"Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
-James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51

Please consider the environment before printing this email
From pjcrux at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 17:06:44 2009
From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross)
Date: Tue Nov 10 17:06:46 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0911101506k4c4c9afalbc06cb2db3008846@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e4994a70911101313m1d9ddcf8wa609d73170c5578f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e4994a70911101449l26d712c1u6f1f7f667edf6b0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c63fb3d0911101506k4c4c9afalbc06cb2db3008846@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0911101506pf616a6ah320c47886dc35c45@mail.gmail.com>

you know if I read your note I wouldn't have sent the phone number email is
sales@izzyscomputerdepot.com

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:

> if you mean Izzy's Computer Depot the number off of the website is:
>
> 210-340-3680
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> does anyone have Izzy's email address so I can contact him?  I do most
>> things by email since I can't see to read and write on paper
>> etc..thanks c
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > LOL Howard...that new smell with all the lead and toxic chemicals
>> > doesn't appeal to me at all. In fact I have to be very careful with
>> > chemicals since I have environmental illness and have had toxic
>> > poisoning in the past.
>> >
>> > For me, I want at least 2.8 mgh processor and 2 gig mem.I love to
>> > watch a lot of streaming video on my vwet large LCD monitor.  I also
>> > love to watch DVD;s on it.  The streaming video I watch now is HD so I
>> > need something that can handle that too.  Lots abt the net and web
>> > pages have changed so much even in the last 7 months!
>> >
>> > I do a lot of ediucational viewing and reading when I can get good
>> > enough graphics ability to be able to see it.  There is a Harvard
>> > professor who has lectures online that I am nuts about...I really miss
>> > them.
>> >
>> > I am so bored and lonesome at times all by myself I could scream.
>> > There is absolitely nothing on the idiot box worth watching/  As blind
>> > as I am which is worse than legally blind, I can't go anywhere or do
>> > anyting so I have no contact with the outside world at all except for
>> > whatever I can do online.  I only leave the house nce or twice monthly
>> > to go to a doctors appointment, so I am very isolated and alone.  A
>> > good PC allows me to not only reach the outside world, but order
>> > things I need at home, entertain myself and enjoy continued learning
>> > from the research I love doing and through educational programs and
>> > lectures.  It keeps my mind occupied as well.
>> >
>> > I plan to check out something with Izzy because for me it looks like
>> > the best deal...money wise too...I need to chk out the mobo specs to
>> > see if I can do all the things I want too with the $74.00 pc he
>> > has...and if the mem that is standard on that model can be bumped
>> > up...I also think I can add my dvd burner to it and swap the HD that
>> > comes with it for my Hardy drive.  Basically all I would need to do
>> > with that one is bump up the mem on it because 512 isn't enugh...sio I
>> > would want to max it out..
>> >
>> > Luckily my birthday is This Thursday and some BD money is trickling in
>> > now so I may be able to buy it this week...wish me luck Howard...
>> >
>> > OOOO that new plastic smell is just awful on those new pc's..very
>> > nauseating...lol
>> > c
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <
>> cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hi, do any of you have  Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from
>> Dell?
>> >>> If so, which model machine and do you like it?  What don't you like
>> about it?
>> >>>
>> >>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>> >>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>> >>
>> >> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
>> >> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay.  There
>> are
>> >> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship
>> with
>> >> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
>> >> prices.  Your biggest
>> >> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping
>> cost.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck,  Howard
>> >> --
>> >> Howard Haradon
>> >> San Antonio, TX  USA
>> >> --
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> SATLUG mailing list
>> >> SATLUG@satlug.org
>> >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>> >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
>> > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
>> > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
>> > 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
>> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
>> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
>> 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> SATLUG mailing list
>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Peter J. Cross
> San Antonio, TX
>
> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>



-- 
Cheers!

Peter J. Cross
San Antonio, TX

"Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
-James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51

Please consider the environment before printing this email
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 17:39:58 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Tue Nov 10 17:40:21 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0911101506pf616a6ah320c47886dc35c45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com> 
	<e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7e4994a70911101313m1d9ddcf8wa609d73170c5578f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7e4994a70911101449l26d712c1u6f1f7f667edf6b0e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7c63fb3d0911101506k4c4c9afalbc06cb2db3008846@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7c63fb3d0911101506pf616a6ah320c47886dc35c45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911101539l2dedf918s43f31f793746c90d@mail.gmail.com>

thanks so much!  i really appreciate it a lot!  c

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
> you know if I read your note I wouldn't have sent the phone number email is
> sales@izzyscomputerdepot.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> if you mean Izzy's Computer Depot the number off of the website is:
>>
>> 210-340-3680
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> does anyone have Izzy's email address so I can contact him? ?I do most
>>> things by email since I can't see to read and write on paper
>>> etc..thanks c
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > LOL Howard...that new smell with all the lead and toxic chemicals
>>> > doesn't appeal to me at all. In fact I have to be very careful with
>>> > chemicals since I have environmental illness and have had toxic
>>> > poisoning in the past.
>>> >
>>> > For me, I want at least 2.8 mgh processor and 2 gig mem.I love to
>>> > watch a lot of streaming video on my vwet large LCD monitor. ?I also
>>> > love to watch DVD;s on it. ?The streaming video I watch now is HD so I
>>> > need something that can handle that too. ?Lots abt the net and web
>>> > pages have changed so much even in the last 7 months!
>>> >
>>> > I do a lot of ediucational viewing and reading when I can get good
>>> > enough graphics ability to be able to see it. ?There is a Harvard
>>> > professor who has lectures online that I am nuts about...I really miss
>>> > them.
>>> >
>>> > I am so bored and lonesome at times all by myself I could scream.
>>> > There is absolitely nothing on the idiot box worth watching/ ?As blind
>>> > as I am which is worse than legally blind, I can't go anywhere or do
>>> > anyting so I have no contact with the outside world at all except for
>>> > whatever I can do online. ?I only leave the house nce or twice monthly
>>> > to go to a doctors appointment, so I am very isolated and alone. ?A
>>> > good PC allows me to not only reach the outside world, but order
>>> > things I need at home, entertain myself and enjoy continued learning
>>> > from the research I love doing and through educational programs and
>>> > lectures. ?It keeps my mind occupied as well.
>>> >
>>> > I plan to check out something with Izzy because for me it looks like
>>> > the best deal...money wise too...I need to chk out the mobo specs to
>>> > see if I can do all the things I want too with the $74.00 pc he
>>> > has...and if the mem that is standard on that model can be bumped
>>> > up...I also think I can add my dvd burner to it and swap the HD that
>>> > comes with it for my Hardy drive. ?Basically all I would need to do
>>> > with that one is bump up the mem on it because 512 isn't enugh...sio I
>>> > would want to max it out..
>>> >
>>> > Luckily my birthday is This Thursday and some BD money is trickling in
>>> > now so I may be able to buy it this week...wish me luck Howard...
>>> >
>>> > OOOO that new plastic smell is just awful on those new pc's..very
>>> > nauseating...lol
>>> > c
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <
>>> cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Hi, do any of you have ?Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from
>>> Dell?
>>> >>> If so, which model machine and do you like it? ?What don't you like
>>> about it?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>>> >>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>>> >>
>>> >> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
>>> >> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay. ?There
>>> are
>>> >> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship
>>> with
>>> >> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
>>> >> prices. ?Your biggest
>>> >> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping
>>> cost.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good luck, ?Howard
>>> >> --
>>> >> Howard Haradon
>>> >> San Antonio, TX ?USA
>>> >> --
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> SATLUG mailing list
>>> >> SATLUG@satlug.org
>>> >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>>> >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
>>> > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of ?blessed little
>>> > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
>>> > 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
>>> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of ?blessed little
>>> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
>>> 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
>>> --
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SATLUG mailing list
>>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Peter J. Cross
>> San Antonio, TX
>>
>> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
>> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51
>>
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Peter J. Cross
> San Antonio, TX
>
> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email
> --
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When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From e2eiod at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 18:18:46 2009
From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson)
Date: Tue Nov 10 18:18:52 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70911101449l26d712c1u6f1f7f667edf6b0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911100035j142cd33at9f3cadbeb07cfe65@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5fa90240911101219u51ee570fu5c939e49e43f2a2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e4994a70911101313m1d9ddcf8wa609d73170c5578f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7e4994a70911101449l26d712c1u6f1f7f667edf6b0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b438b5d70911101618o37df3929o7f84b97ef0163221@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
> does anyone have Izzy's email address so I can contact him? ?I do most
> things by email since I can't see to read and write on paper
> etc..thanks c
>

The SATLUG wiki has a "Linux Hardware Page" just for listing vendors
that members have found useful and helpful.
It may be out of date on some vendors.
<http://www.satlug.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Hardware_Page>

For Izzy's it shows:
Izzy's
5525 Blanco Rd. #102
San Antonio, Tx. 78216
(210) 340-3680 (Sales & Technical Support)
(877) 673-1630 (Toll Free Fax)
sales@izzyscomputerdepot.com
support@izzyscomputerdepot.com
<www.izzyscomputerdepot.com>


In your original email you asked:
> Dual core processor or single ..which is more reliable and faster?

[Faster]
My AMD Athlon X2 4800+ dual core is so much faster than any of my
single cores there is no comparison. My single cores are Pentium 4 @
2.4 Ghz and an AMD Athlon XP 1900.
My Dell Latitude D610 laptop has a Pentium M @ 2.0 Ghz and it is
faster than the two single cores also.

Some places to compare speed:
<http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2008-q1-2008/3D-Studio-Max-9,369.html>

<http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/processors,6.html>

<http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html>

<http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2007/benchmarks,14.html>

<http://www.cpubenchmark.net/>

Speed in anything costs money. Faster CPU means faster memory. Costs more...
CPU's have a very short product life - about 6 months.
They may be available for 2-3 years, if popular.

[Note]
On older, slower, cheaper, single core processors I find the disk(s) I
use (SATA>faster>IDE), the file system (I get better performance with
JFS over ext3, XFS, ResierFS, etc. - YMMV). The motherboard buss
affects this, PCIe>PCIX>PCI.
On the new dual core machine the file system does not make a
difference. The Dell Latitude D610 laptop has a SATA drive in it. The
third performance improvement area it the graphics card. My new dual
core has an on-board Nvidia chip set. The laptop has an ATI. The older
machines have 4x AGP and 8x AGP which was fast when I bought it but
very slow now, The gamers I talk to buy motherboards that have the
high speed expansion slots like PCIX and PCIe and buy an expensive
graphics card. They get screaming video performance but remember, thye
also have the CPU, memory and disk to do this. Most of them MAX the
memory (8 GB, or more) and run the video out of memory. Memory is
relatively cheap now compared to what it once cost.

[Reliable]
Reliability has improved so the newer chips in standard production are
more reliable than older chips statistically. The average user will
never see this so don't worry about reliability from major CPU
manufacturers. Having said that I never buy anything when it first
comes out. I usually wait at least a year. YMMV
One thing to look at, since you are on a fixed income like I am, is
the wattage rating of the CPU. Some of the newer, really fast
dual-/multi-cores consume lots of watts and thus produce lots of heat.
This causes my A/C to run and electricity is no longer cheap. Caveat
Emptor on both CPUs and electric service providers. Both make a
noticeable difference in my electric bill.

I am thinking about changing my computing Strategy.
A 17" laptop would be wonderful because it is easier to see but I can
no longer afford it. A $300 netbook would do everything I need to do
but I can't afford that either. The Dell Latitude D610 was an unwise
purchase. It works great and I love everything about it except the
battery life. It lasts about 1 hour 20-30 minutes in full use. I
believe the minimum battery life should be 3-4 hours MIN and 7-8 hours
preferrably.

First Saturday is selling some used Dell's for $40. I could afford
that. The local Linux group has been installing Linux on them and they
work fine. The First Saturday vendors and buyers are delighted.
Apparently Linux was not well known in this area. I am not in San
Antonio
Wattage (power consumption) increases cause my electric bill to go up.
There is no electric company that is my friend. I am thinking "GREEN".
From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 20:51:07 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Tue Nov 10 20:51:12 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <4AF9D09D.8040504@channingc.com>
Message-ID: <321667.88281.qm@web45706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Another great site is: http://www.dfsdirectsales.com/ 
This is Dell's off-lease website. You can buy the machines without an OS and load your own. 

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Channing.ML@channingc.com <Channing.ML@channingc.com> wrote:

From: Channing.ML@channingc.com <Channing.ML@channingc.com>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 8:44 PM

Howard Haradon wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>???
>> Hi, do any of you have? Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from Dell?
>> If so, which model machine and do you like it?? What don't you like about it?
>>
>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>>? ???
>
> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay.? There are
> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship with
> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
> prices.? Your biggest
> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping cost.
>
> Good luck,? Howard
>???
outlet.dell.com - get the number from their site and have a sales person 
find the system for you.? they have 4 levels from never used to 
refurbished.

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From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 20:58:37 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Tue Nov 10 20:58:55 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3/Mandriva
In-Reply-To: <200911091019.37460.jdchoate@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3623.62688.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks John for all the help. I switched to Mandriva with KDE. It seems to be free of those bugs in GNOME. 

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:

From: John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3/Mandriva
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:19 PM

On Sunday 08 November 2009 18:55:05 Christopher Connell wrote:
> I'm still a noob so bare with me. I'm not sure what Mandriva runs like with KDE 4.3.3. I'm running Mandriva 2010 with GNOME 2.28.0 and it seems to be running OK. I have noticed a few bugs. Epiphany will occassionally go grey and freeze up. Firefox will display a message npviewer.bin has crashed. Downloading "Seamonkey" seems to be the easiest fix. It's close enough to Firefox (Based off the Mozilla open source code for Firefox). 
> 
> Also, as Howard pointed out, there was an issue with the sound when I played Uplink. (Yeah I know I'm a nerd playing a hacker game that's nothing like hacking. :-) ) 
> 
> Lastly, my smartcard reader and SD camera card reader don't work. But those are linux issues. I found a driver from MUSCLE (Movement for the use of smartcards in a linux enviornment) that I'm going to try out to get the smartcard working.
> 
> All-in-all Mandriva has been a good distro. I'd imagine that the KDE version would behave the same.
> 

The smartcard reader and SD card reader MIGHT be fixed by logging in as root and restarting the HAL service... like so:
Open a terminal and type the command 'su', followed by the root password. As root, issue the following command:
'/etc/init.d/haldaemon stop'
wait a few seconds before doing:
'/etc/init.d/haldaemon start'

That should fix access to removable drives on the USB bus.
If that works, let me know and I'll help you to automate that process.

I have never tried the following, but I read that disabling Mandriva's fastboot feature can fix that also. Apparently with kernel 2.6.31.x, haldaemon starts at the wrong time during boot to be properly compatible with Mandriva's fastboot feature.

If you are having sound issues, they are most likely caused by Pulse Audio, the sometimes loved, often hated sound service. That can be fixed by downloading the pulseaudio source code version 0.19 and compiling it for the computer in question. This is quite a process as pulseaudio has some dependencies which need to be compiled and installed first, in addition to several development packages to be installed in Mandriva.
I had to do this on my desktop machine, but not on my laptop.

I have no advice on epiphany, as I use KDE with Opera browser and Firefox only on occasion.

I also can't speak for KDE 4.3.3 specifically because I went from 4.3.2 to 4.3.73, which is 4.3.3 with a few new tweaks/bugfixes in preparation for the 4.4 version.


John C.
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From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 21:12:09 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Tue Nov 10 21:12:10 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70911101539l2dedf918s43f31f793746c90d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494325.27520.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Cheryl,

I mentioned dfsdirectsales.com earlier. Doing a quick check they have a P4 2.8GHZ , 256 MB RAM, NO OS, 80 GB HD , CDRW/DVD for $150.00

And a 2.8 GHZ dual core, 1024 MB RAM, 150 GB HD, NO OS, DVDRW for $308.00

If you were so inclined you could also get a 2.8GHZ celeron, 512 RAM, CDRW/DVD, 80 GB HD, with XPP for 140.00

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:39 PM

thanks so much!? i really appreciate it a lot!? c

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
> you know if I read your note I wouldn't have sent the phone number email is
> sales@izzyscomputerdepot.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> if you mean Izzy's Computer Depot the number off of the website is:
>>
>> 210-340-3680
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> does anyone have Izzy's email address so I can contact him? ?I do most
>>> things by email since I can't see to read and write on paper
>>> etc..thanks c
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > LOL Howard...that new smell with all the lead and toxic chemicals
>>> > doesn't appeal to me at all. In fact I have to be very careful with
>>> > chemicals since I have environmental illness and have had toxic
>>> > poisoning in the past.
>>> >
>>> > For me, I want at least 2.8 mgh processor and 2 gig mem.I love to
>>> > watch a lot of streaming video on my vwet large LCD monitor. ?I also
>>> > love to watch DVD;s on it. ?The streaming video I watch now is HD so I
>>> > need something that can handle that too. ?Lots abt the net and web
>>> > pages have changed so much even in the last 7 months!
>>> >
>>> > I do a lot of ediucational viewing and reading when I can get good
>>> > enough graphics ability to be able to see it. ?There is a Harvard
>>> > professor who has lectures online that I am nuts about...I really miss
>>> > them.
>>> >
>>> > I am so bored and lonesome at times all by myself I could scream.
>>> > There is absolitely nothing on the idiot box worth watching/ ?As blind
>>> > as I am which is worse than legally blind, I can't go anywhere or do
>>> > anyting so I have no contact with the outside world at all except for
>>> > whatever I can do online. ?I only leave the house nce or twice monthly
>>> > to go to a doctors appointment, so I am very isolated and alone. ?A
>>> > good PC allows me to not only reach the outside world, but order
>>> > things I need at home, entertain myself and enjoy continued learning
>>> > from the research I love doing and through educational programs and
>>> > lectures. ?It keeps my mind occupied as well.
>>> >
>>> > I plan to check out something with Izzy because for me it looks like
>>> > the best deal...money wise too...I need to chk out the mobo specs to
>>> > see if I can do all the things I want too with the $74.00 pc he
>>> > has...and if the mem that is standard on that model can be bumped
>>> > up...I also think I can add my dvd burner to it and swap the HD that
>>> > comes with it for my Hardy drive. ?Basically all I would need to do
>>> > with that one is bump up the mem on it because 512 isn't enugh...sio I
>>> > would want to max it out..
>>> >
>>> > Luckily my birthday is This Thursday and some BD money is trickling in
>>> > now so I may be able to buy it this week...wish me luck Howard...
>>> >
>>> > OOOO that new plastic smell is just awful on those new pc's..very
>>> > nauseating...lol
>>> > c
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <
>>> cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Hi, do any of you have ?Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from
>>> Dell?
>>> >>> If so, which model machine and do you like it? ?What don't you like
>>> about it?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>>> >>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>>> >>
>>> >> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
>>> >> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay. ?There
>>> are
>>> >> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship
>>> with
>>> >> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
>>> >> prices. ?Your biggest
>>> >> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping
>>> cost.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good luck, ?Howard
>>> >> --
>>> >> Howard Haradon
>>> >> San Antonio, TX ?USA
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>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of ?blessed little
>>> > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
>>> > 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
>>> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of ?blessed little
>>> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
>>> 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Peter J. Cross
>> San Antonio, TX
>>
>> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
>> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51
>>
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Peter J. Cross
> San Antonio, TX
>
> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
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>
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2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
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From pjcrux at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 12:19:10 2009
From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross)
Date: Wed Nov 11 12:26:47 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Mozilla's Sea Monkey on Linux
Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0911111019l3e4f3bd8icdfeb295b1a04c9@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone tried this software yet?

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey

What is the general consensus of the usability of the product.

Got to googling for Wave alternatives and this came across. It's cross
platform Windows, Linux, and OSX.

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Cheers!

Peter J. Cross
San Antonio, TX

"Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
-James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51

Please consider the environment before printing this email
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:30:49 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Wed Nov 11 13:31:01 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Mozilla's Sea Monkey on Linux
In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0911111019l3e4f3bd8icdfeb295b1a04c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c63fb3d0911111019l3e4f3bd8icdfeb295b1a04c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFB10E9.4010906@gmail.com>

Peter Cross wrote:
> Has anyone tried this software yet?
> 
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.0
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey
> 
> What is the general consensus of the usability of the product.
> 
> Got to googling for Wave alternatives and this came across. It's cross
> platform Windows, Linux, and OSX.

Yes, I've built it for Linux From Scratch.  th elook and feel is 
generally like the older Seamonkey platforms, but faster.  Works well 
with plugins, even Adobe's 64-bit alpha version of flash.

   -- Bruce


From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 11 15:08:53 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:08:56 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Mozilla's Sea Monkey on Linux
In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0911111019l3e4f3bd8icdfeb295b1a04c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <106610.20304.qm@web45715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Seamonkey is built on the same source code as Firefox but adds a web development application. The web app. lets you examine web site source code and add-ons. 

Seamonkey is also free of some of the bugs that Firefox has. Freezing issues after some Windows XP updates and the dreaded "npviewer.bin" has crashed message that pops up in Mandriva (Gnome), Ubuntu, CentOS and Fedora.

?

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com>
Subject: [SATLUG] Mozilla's Sea Monkey on Linux
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:19 PM

Has anyone tried this software yet?

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey

What is the general consensus of the usability of the product.

Got to googling for Wave alternatives and this came across. It's cross
platform Windows, Linux, and OSX.

-- 
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Peter J. Cross
San Antonio, TX

"Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
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From henry.pugsley at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 15:26:25 2009
From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley)
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:26:31 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Mozilla's Sea Monkey on Linux
In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0911111019l3e4f3bd8icdfeb295b1a04c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c63fb3d0911111019l3e4f3bd8icdfeb295b1a04c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1003aeaa0911111326s76d92c55w2f967d42dc4f6bb2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone tried this software yet?
>
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.0
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey
>
> What is the general consensus of the usability of the product.
>
> Got to googling for Wave alternatives and this came across. It's cross
> platform Windows, Linux, and OSX.

Yeah, for some reason it works with the goofy "IE-only" webtime
application that my company uses.  It does not work in Firefox but it
does work in Seamonkey.

-Henry
From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 17:21:11 2009
From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez)
Date: Wed Nov 11 17:21:15 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Mozilla's Sea Monkey on Linux
In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0911111326s76d92c55w2f967d42dc4f6bb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c63fb3d0911111019l3e4f3bd8icdfeb295b1a04c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<1003aeaa0911111326s76d92c55w2f967d42dc4f6bb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1247a04a0911111521t5e4c5097g48ba20a00dd2c34f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Henry Pugsley <henry.pugsley@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone tried this software yet?
>>
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.0
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey
>>
>> What is the general consensus of the usability of the product.
>>
>> Got to googling for Wave alternatives and this came across. It's cross
>> platform Windows, Linux, and OSX.
>
> Yeah, for some reason it works with the goofy "IE-only" webtime
> application that my company uses.  It does not work in Firefox but it
> does work in Seamonkey.
>
> -Henry
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it's funny you mention it, today's updates to Facebook broke my
SeaMonkey browser.
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by yourself leaves a path in your mind
which you can use again when the need
arises."    --G. C. Lichtenberg
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From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Wed Nov 11 17:39:06 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Wed Nov 11 17:39:16 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Outage
In-Reply-To: <4AF3B625.2010306@gmail.com>
References: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>
	<EAD0F02F-1940-4121-933F-662963230813@rugmonster.org>
	<4AF3B625.2010306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911111739.06543.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Thursday 05 November 2009 11:37:41 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote:
[static IP blocking]
> I haven't put them back yet, but send me directly the IP addresses you
> want to ensure don't get blocked and I'll make that happen.


Why are you using static IP blocking man?  It's the 21st century.. there are 
better ways.. ;)


> The problem is that I really don't like many thousands of attempts to
> guess a password via ssh and many thousands more trying to use the mail
> server as an open relay, which it isn't.  Most of the attempts are from
> Asia or Europe.

Sounds like you should install swatch and tarpit.
	http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/protect-ssh.php
	http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1723

Other suggestions?

Tweeks
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 18:15:33 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Wed Nov 11 18:15:37 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Outage
In-Reply-To: <200911111739.06543.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>	<EAD0F02F-1940-4121-933F-662963230813@rugmonster.org>	<4AF3B625.2010306@gmail.com>
	<200911111739.06543.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <4AFB53A5.4010206@gmail.com>

Tweeks wrote:
> On Thursday 05 November 2009 11:37:41 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> [static IP blocking]
>> I haven't put them back yet, but send me directly the IP addresses you
>> want to ensure don't get blocked and I'll make that happen.
> 
> 
> Why are you using static IP blocking man?  It's the 21st century..

Because I'm old school.

>> The problem is that I really don't like many thousands of attempts to
>> guess a password via ssh and many thousands more trying to use the mail
>> server as an open relay, which it isn't.  Most of the attempts are from
>> Asia or Europe.
> 
> Sounds like you should install swatch and tarpit.
> 	http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/protect-ssh.php
> 	http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1723

I'll take a look.

   -- Bruce
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 18:41:53 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Wed Nov 11 18:42:00 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Outage
In-Reply-To: <200911111739.06543.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <4AF3A089.8000004@gmail.com>	<EAD0F02F-1940-4121-933F-662963230813@rugmonster.org>	<4AF3B625.2010306@gmail.com>
	<200911111739.06543.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <4AFB59D1.3040200@gmail.com>

Tweeks wrote:
> On Thursday 05 November 2009 11:37:41 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> [static IP blocking]
>> I haven't put them back yet, but send me directly the IP addresses you
>> want to ensure don't get blocked and I'll make that happen.
> 
> 
> Why are you using static IP blocking man?  It's the 21st century.. there are 
> better ways.. ;)
> 
> 
>> The problem is that I really don't like many thousands of attempts to
>> guess a password via ssh and many thousands more trying to use the mail
>> server as an open relay, which it isn't.  Most of the attempts are from
>> Asia or Europe.
> 
> Sounds like you should install swatch and tarpit.
> 	http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/protect-ssh.php

If someone tries x logins on my server where x is a reasonably large 
number, why should I ever let them have any access at all to the server?

Some hackers have access to a large number of servers, but they are 
usually on the same IP block.  The swatch solution doesn't really 
address that.  Of course my method it doesn't block those that have 
large networks of zombies spread throughout the world, but my analysis 
of logs have shown a large number of hack attempts from Eastern Europe, 
Russia, China, Korea, and Taiwan.  Personally, I don't think those 
addresses need access to SATLUG in any capacity.

I suppose I could allow global access to ports 80 and 25 and block all 
others except for selected addresses.

   -- Bruce
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Wed Nov 11 22:57:29 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Wed Nov 11 22:57:39 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] virtual router
Message-ID: <4AFB95B9.1040304@grandecom.net>

A while back I made the comment that I was thinking about virtualizing 
my router.  Some one made the point that this was not a good idea.  
Unfortunately, there was little explanation why this was a bad idea and 
I neglected to seek clarification at the time.  I am still thinking of 
doing this but the previous comment has given me pause.  Are there 
inherent security risks for doing so?  I am using proxmox ve as my host 
and I intend to use pfsense as a fully virtualized KVM guest.

thanks in advance

Todd
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 01:41:48 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Thu Nov 12 01:42:11 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <494325.27520.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <7e4994a70911101539l2dedf918s43f31f793746c90d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<494325.27520.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911112341g693ea236la1048fcb472748e0@mail.gmail.com>

thank you very much...those are nice but way out of my price range.  I
do greatly appreciate you checking for me tho and letting me know!
That's very kind og you! cheryl

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Christopher Connell
<connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Cheryl,
>
> I mentioned dfsdirectsales.com earlier. Doing a quick check they have a P4 2.8GHZ , 256 MB RAM, NO OS, 80 GB HD , CDRW/DVD for $150.00
>
> And a 2.8 GHZ dual core, 1024 MB RAM, 150 GB HD, NO OS, DVDRW for $308.00
>
> If you were so inclined you could also get a 2.8GHZ celeron, 512 RAM, CDRW/DVD, 80 GB HD, with XPP for 140.00
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:39 PM
>
> thanks so much!? i really appreciate it a lot!? c
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
>> you know if I read your note I wouldn't have sent the phone number email is
>> sales@izzyscomputerdepot.com
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> if you mean Izzy's Computer Depot the number off of the website is:
>>>
>>> 210-340-3680
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> does anyone have Izzy's email address so I can contact him? ?I do most
>>>> things by email since I can't see to read and write on paper
>>>> etc..thanks c
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > LOL Howard...that new smell with all the lead and toxic chemicals
>>>> > doesn't appeal to me at all. In fact I have to be very careful with
>>>> > chemicals since I have environmental illness and have had toxic
>>>> > poisoning in the past.
>>>> >
>>>> > For me, I want at least 2.8 mgh processor and 2 gig mem.I love to
>>>> > watch a lot of streaming video on my vwet large LCD monitor. ?I also
>>>> > love to watch DVD;s on it. ?The streaming video I watch now is HD so I
>>>> > need something that can handle that too. ?Lots abt the net and web
>>>> > pages have changed so much even in the last 7 months!
>>>> >
>>>> > I do a lot of ediucational viewing and reading when I can get good
>>>> > enough graphics ability to be able to see it. ?There is a Harvard
>>>> > professor who has lectures online that I am nuts about...I really miss
>>>> > them.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am so bored and lonesome at times all by myself I could scream.
>>>> > There is absolitely nothing on the idiot box worth watching/ ?As blind
>>>> > as I am which is worse than legally blind, I can't go anywhere or do
>>>> > anyting so I have no contact with the outside world at all except for
>>>> > whatever I can do online. ?I only leave the house nce or twice monthly
>>>> > to go to a doctors appointment, so I am very isolated and alone. ?A
>>>> > good PC allows me to not only reach the outside world, but order
>>>> > things I need at home, entertain myself and enjoy continued learning
>>>> > from the research I love doing and through educational programs and
>>>> > lectures. ?It keeps my mind occupied as well.
>>>> >
>>>> > I plan to check out something with Izzy because for me it looks like
>>>> > the best deal...money wise too...I need to chk out the mobo specs to
>>>> > see if I can do all the things I want too with the $74.00 pc he
>>>> > has...and if the mem that is standard on that model can be bumped
>>>> > up...I also think I can add my dvd burner to it and swap the HD that
>>>> > comes with it for my Hardy drive. ?Basically all I would need to do
>>>> > with that one is bump up the mem on it because 512 isn't enugh...sio I
>>>> > would want to max it out..
>>>> >
>>>> > Luckily my birthday is This Thursday and some BD money is trickling in
>>>> > now so I may be able to buy it this week...wish me luck Howard...
>>>> >
>>>> > OOOO that new plastic smell is just awful on those new pc's..very
>>>> > nauseating...lol
>>>> > c
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Cheryl Holmes <
>>>> cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> Hi, do any of you have ?Dell Ubuntu desktop that came with Ubuntu from
>>>> Dell?
>>>> >>> If so, which model machine and do you like it? ?What don't you like
>>>> about it?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Is all the hardware in the machine proprietary or can you now use any
>>>> >>> manufacturer's compatible hardware in them?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If you are enamored with that new-computer smell, then
>>>> >> you may want to look at buying a new (or used) Dell off of Ebay. ?There
>>>> are
>>>> >> numerous vendors who have a kind of value added reseller relationship
>>>> with
>>>> >> Dell and sell new units with a Dell warranty at slightly reduced
>>>> >> prices. ?Your biggest
>>>> >> savings may come in avoiding sales tax and perhaps reduced shipping
>>>> cost.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good luck, ?Howard
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Howard Haradon
>>>> >> San Antonio, TX ?USA
>>>> >> --
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
>>>> > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of ?blessed little
>>>> > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
>>>> > 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
>>>> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of ?blessed little
>>>> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
>>>> 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
>>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Peter J. Cross
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>>
>>> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
>>> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51
>>>
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Peter J. Cross
>> San Antonio, TX
>>
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>> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of? blessed little
> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
> 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
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-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From satlug at net153.net  Thu Nov 12 09:47:37 2009
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Thu Nov 12 09:47:45 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] virtual router
In-Reply-To: <4AFB95B9.1040304@grandecom.net>
References: <4AFB95B9.1040304@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <4AFC2E19.1020409@net153.net>

Todd W. Bucy wrote:
> A while back I made the comment that I was thinking about virtualizing 
> my router.  Some one made the point that this was not a good idea.  
> Unfortunately, there was little explanation why this was a bad idea and 
> I neglected to seek clarification at the time.  I am still thinking of 
> doing this but the previous comment has given me pause.  Are there 
> inherent security risks for doing so?  I am using proxmox ve as my host 
> and I intend to use pfsense as a fully virtualized KVM guest.
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
> Todd

I did this recently with Xen.  Used debian lenny as the dom0. Used lenny 
again for the domU with shorewall, squid, dansguardian, and dnsmasq as 
the virtual router.  Have another domU with lenny for my web,mail, dns 
server.  Followed this http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay.html and this: 
http://wiki.debian.org/Xen

Xen configures all network cards into bridge mode.  I only have the dom0 
host configured on one nic which faces the lan.  So the host can only 
communicate directly with computers on the lan.  The shorewall domU is 
the only virtual machine that listens on the nic that has the cable 
modem plugged into it and all of the routing takes place within the 
shorewall domU.

Sam
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Thu Nov 12 23:31:40 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Thu Nov 12 23:31:49 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Upcoming Meetings?
In-Reply-To: <svnef5d1gf7metna9ktsh68lvlbo94ujgo@4ax.com>
References: <662802d40911081605t7bc6ffb0s6c2f0364e446e4e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<svnef5d1gf7metna9ktsh68lvlbo94ujgo@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <200911122331.40695.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Sunday 08 November 2009 06:27:06 pm Don Wright wrote:
[...]
> The following Monday evening, Nov. 16, has the XCSSA meeting, again at
> SAC. That's a sister organization with a lot of overlap of members and
> interests. They hide out at www.xcssa.org.

On that note.. the Monday night XCSSA meeting is sounding pretty cool.. 
(7pm at the NTC)  I'll be sending out the meeting announcement the weekend.

One of our members (Fredrik the uber robot/microcontroller geek) is bringing a 
couple of MAN SIZED (and bigger) robots that were built by some of the HS 
kids in the S.T.E.M. related Texas Robotics programs recently... These 
suckers are semi-autonomous.. and are going to either be demo'd in either the 
SAC parking lot or down stairs if we can get them up the ramp and into the 
elevator. :)

Anyway.. fun stuff.. here's one of Fredrik's smaller.. less-smart robots.. 
the "Cooler Bot" from a few meetings back:
	
http://xcssa.org/photos/XCSSA_2007-2009-MISC/video/dscf1048.flv.html

Other fun stuff:
	http://xcssa.org/photos/XCSSA_2007-2009-MISC/
	http://xcssa.org/photos/2008_XCSSA/

Anyway.. Monday night should be another memorable meeting (as long as the 
bot's don't become sentient.. ;)

Tweeks
From satlugacct at jchampion.com  Thu Nov 12 23:48:58 2009
From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion)
Date: Thu Nov 12 23:49:03 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Why I choose Mandriva?
In-Reply-To: <192217.82906.qm@web45713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <200911061425.33069.jdchoate@gmail.com>
	<192217.82906.qm@web45713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1cb556d10911122148h3c1760feybe02da20365e0fda@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Christopher Connell <
connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Actually I tested out various Live CD's before choosing Mandriva 2010.
> Ubuntu (9.10), Madriva 2009, Fedora (V. 11 KDE & GNOME), Vector Linux (6),
> Knoppix (6.0.1), Mepis (8.0.10), Suse (11.1), Kubuntu (9.04), PC Linux 2009,
> & gNewsense.
>
> I really like Mandriva so far. It installed my wifi automatically and has
> lots of great programs.
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:25 PM
>
> On Thursday 05 November 2009 23:18:22 Arthur Hall wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community.  You'll find the folks on
> this list are very understanding and very helpful.  They have been generous
> with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers and
> software for refugee families.
> >
> > Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows, I looked long and hard for
> a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally settled
> on Ubuntu.  You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux.  It
> has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and
> you can download even more when you're ready.
> >
> > Glad to have you aboard.
> >
> > Art
>
> It is always advised to try out different Linux distributions... but... If
> you are running Mandriva 2010 and you like it, I doubt very much that you
> will be impressed by Ubuntu ;)
> --
>

Thus is the joy of Linux. It's like stepping into Baskin Robbins. There are
many flavors and they are all different in some way shape or form and we all
have our preferences. Some distros hold your hand more than others and some
toss you in without a lifevest. Some let you pick your weapons and others
give you little choice.

Enjoy this learning experience and remember to never close your mind to
anything. Everything in Linux has merit for someone somewhere. It just may
not be you or the person you're talking to.

Thanks
john
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Fri Nov 13 06:47:02 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Fri Nov 13 06:47:04 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Upcoming Meetings?
In-Reply-To: <200911122331.40695.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <662802d40911081605t7bc6ffb0s6c2f0364e446e4e7@mail.gmail.com>	<svnef5d1gf7metna9ktsh68lvlbo94ujgo@4ax.com>
	<200911122331.40695.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <4AFD5546.6060705@grandecom.net>

that looks cool. Would it be appropriate to bring my 6 year-old son.  He 
loves geeking out on robots

Todd

Tweeks wrote:
> On Sunday 08 November 2009 06:27:06 pm Don Wright wrote:
> [...]
>   
>> The following Monday evening, Nov. 16, has the XCSSA meeting, again at
>> SAC. That's a sister organization with a lot of overlap of members and
>> interests. They hide out at www.xcssa.org.
>>     
>
> On that note.. the Monday night XCSSA meeting is sounding pretty cool.. 
> (7pm at the NTC)  I'll be sending out the meeting announcement the weekend.
>
> One of our members (Fredrik the uber robot/microcontroller geek) is bringing a 
> couple of MAN SIZED (and bigger) robots that were built by some of the HS 
> kids in the S.T.E.M. related Texas Robotics programs recently... These 
> suckers are semi-autonomous.. and are going to either be demo'd in either the 
> SAC parking lot or down stairs if we can get them up the ramp and into the 
> elevator. :)
>
> Anyway.. fun stuff.. here's one of Fredrik's smaller.. less-smart robots.. 
> the "Cooler Bot" from a few meetings back:
> 	
> http://xcssa.org/photos/XCSSA_2007-2009-MISC/video/dscf1048.flv.html
>
> Other fun stuff:
> 	http://xcssa.org/photos/XCSSA_2007-2009-MISC/
> 	http://xcssa.org/photos/2008_XCSSA/
>
> Anyway.. Monday night should be another memorable meeting (as long as the 
> bot's don't become sentient.. ;)
>
> Tweeks
>   

From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 13 17:29:39 2009
From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple)
Date: Fri Nov 13 17:29:43 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <4AEE7269.8020807@channingc.com>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net>
	<e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com>,
	<52nse5l6do627qsgspn4jdhjpq5opi5qj3@4ax.com>,
	<4AEE7269.8020807@channingc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W334493408A4C1A4FBE63D99DA80@phx.gbl>


Hello,

 

I plan to be there. If you have time, can I do a mini-presentation on Linux on Amazon EC2 cloud? That would be great! Also, do I get in for free if I volunteer?

Regards,
Benjamin Temple
TES
-----------------------------------------
This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient of this e-mail.



 
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:47:21 -0600
> From: Channing.ML@channingc.com
> To: satlug@satlug.org
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Computer Show
> 
> Don Wright wrote:
> > Howard Haradon wrote:
> >
> > 
> >> Nathan, I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
> >> recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
> >> what folks were interested in. Maybe I could show the
> >> same distros that Don has in inventory?
> >> 
> >
> > This month will be heavy on Ubuntu and friends, owing to the 2009.10
> > release last week. I'll also have the latest Puppy and a few utilities
> > such as Clonezilla. (Leo Laporte mentioned it favorably on his
> > www.twit.tv webcast.) --Don
> > 
> I've been using Clonezilla instead of Ghost for the last couple of 
> years. It's great software.
> 
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
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> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
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From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 19:07:41 2009
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Fri Nov 13 19:08:07 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W334493408A4C1A4FBE63D99DA80@phx.gbl>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net> 
	<e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<52nse5l6do627qsgspn4jdhjpq5opi5qj3@4ax.com>
	<4AEE7269.8020807@channingc.com> 
	<BAY121-W334493408A4C1A4FBE63D99DA80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ff67f9f70911131707l3451b922o9b1f8f0c6c07ad8d@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately I did not get to make it to the meeting as I was running last
minute errands before my wisdom teeth removal surgery this morning. I still
have those 70 or so Ubuntu 9.04 packaged CDs (along with a little display
stand) that I am willing to donate for the show. I don't think I will be
quite well enough to make it, but if someone wants to pick up the CDs from
me, I live in the 281/1604 area and would be happy to hand them off to
someone to take to the show.

I would prefer if someone could pick them up some time this evening rather
than the AM tomorrow as I am under heavy pain meds and probably will not be
awake. If not, I can hold them until the next meeting/show.

Thanks,
Ernest

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Benjamin Temple <
temple_benjamin@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I plan to be there. If you have time, can I do a mini-presentation on Linux
> on Amazon EC2 cloud? That would be great! Also, do I get in for free if I
> volunteer?
>
> Regards,
> Benjamin Temple
> TES
> -----------------------------------------
> This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient
> of this e-mail.
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:47:21 -0600
> > From: Channing.ML@channingc.com
> > To: satlug@satlug.org
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Computer Show
> >
> > Don Wright wrote:
> > > Howard Haradon wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Nathan, I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
> > >> recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
> > >> what folks were interested in. Maybe I could show the
> > >> same distros that Don has in inventory?
> > >>
> > >
> > > This month will be heavy on Ubuntu and friends, owing to the 2009.10
> > > release last week. I'll also have the latest Puppy and a few utilities
> > > such as Clonezilla. (Leo Laporte mentioned it favorably on his
> > > www.twit.tv webcast.) --Don
> > >
> > I've been using Clonezilla instead of Ghost for the last couple of
> > years. It's great software.
> >
> > --
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> > SATLUG@satlug.org
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>
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From hharadon at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 21:25:13 2009
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Fri Nov 13 21:25:19 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70911131707l3451b922o9b1f8f0c6c07ad8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net>
	<e5fa90240911011916v19770730sa6b9e43c0a25825f@mail.gmail.com>
	<52nse5l6do627qsgspn4jdhjpq5opi5qj3@4ax.com>
	<4AEE7269.8020807@channingc.com>
	<BAY121-W334493408A4C1A4FBE63D99DA80@phx.gbl>
	<ff67f9f70911131707l3451b922o9b1f8f0c6c07ad8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5fa90240911131925u74f82644m303e1d3eeffae196@mail.gmail.com>

Ernest,  Not sure if the freebie CDs would fit well with the
usual sales of Linux CDs at the show.  It is too late for me to
pick them up anyway.  I know of someone who gives away
a lot of Ubuntu who would use up a bunch of them.  Give me
a private reply and I will work out a way to get them from you.

Take care of your teeth,  Howard
-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA



On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately I did not get to make it to the meeting as I was running last
> minute errands before my wisdom teeth removal surgery this morning. I still
> have those 70 or so Ubuntu 9.04 packaged CDs (along with a little display
> stand) that I am willing to donate for the show. I don't think I will be
> quite well enough to make it, but if someone wants to pick up the CDs from
> me, I live in the 281/1604 area and would be happy to hand them off to
> someone to take to the show.
>
> I would prefer if someone could pick them up some time this evening rather
> than the AM tomorrow as I am under heavy pain meds and probably will not be
> awake. If not, I can hold them until the next meeting/show.
>
> Thanks,
> Ernest
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Benjamin Temple <
> temple_benjamin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I plan to be there. If you have time, can I do a mini-presentation on Linux
>> on Amazon EC2 cloud? That would be great! Also, do I get in for free if I
>> volunteer?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Benjamin Temple
>> TES
>> -----------------------------------------
>> This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient
>> of this e-mail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:47:21 -0600
>> > From: Channing.ML@channingc.com
>> > To: satlug@satlug.org
>> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Computer Show
>> >
>> > Don Wright wrote:
>> > > Howard Haradon wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Nathan, I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
>> > >> recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
>> > >> what folks were interested in. Maybe I could show the
>> > >> same distros that Don has in inventory?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > This month will be heavy on Ubuntu and friends, owing to the 2009.10
>> > > release last week. I'll also have the latest Puppy and a few utilities
>> > > such as Clonezilla. (Leo Laporte mentioned it favorably on his
>> > > www.twit.tv webcast.) --Don
>> > >
>> > I've been using Clonezilla instead of Ghost for the last couple of
>> > years. It's great software.
>> >
>> > --
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SATLUG mailing list
>> > SATLUG@satlug.org
>> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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From jdchoate at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 14:58:29 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John Choate)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:58:31 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
Message-ID: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>

I want haldaemon to automatically restart after the system boots, but before
the user logs in. What is the best method to do that?

John C.
From satlug at net153.net  Sat Nov 14 15:06:51 2009
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Sat Nov 14 15:06:53 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFF1BEB.8060903@net153.net>

John Choate wrote:
> I want haldaemon to automatically restart after the system boots, but before
> the user logs in. What is the best method to do that?
> 
> John C.

You could try adding the command to /etc/rc.local
Stuff in there usually gets run after everything else on startup.

Sam
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 15:22:44 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Sat Nov 14 15:22:48 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <4AFF1BEB.8060903@net153.net>
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On Saturday 14 November 2009 03:06:51 pm Samuel Leon wrote:
> John Choate wrote:
> > I want haldaemon to automatically restart after the system boots, but before
> > the user logs in. What is the best method to do that?
> > 
> > John C.
> 
> You could try adding the command to /etc/rc.local
> Stuff in there usually gets run after everything else on startup.
> 
> Sam
> 

Thanks. I had read that years ago but could not remember which rc file did that kind of fun stuff :)
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 19:55:59 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Sat Nov 14 19:56:03 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
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On Saturday 14 November 2009 03:06:51 pm Samuel Leon wrote:
> John Choate wrote:
> > I want haldaemon to automatically restart after the system boots, but before
> > the user logs in. What is the best method to do that?
> > 
> > John C.
> 
> You could try adding the command to /etc/rc.local
> Stuff in there usually gets run after everything else on startup.
> 
> Sam
> 

Yes, thank you very much. That did the trick. I can now properly mount USB drives again without having to manually restart haldaemon or give root password for a script to do so.

John C.
From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 20:00:39 2009
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Sat Nov 14 20:01:02 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240911131925u74f82644m303e1d3eeffae196@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net> 
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	<4AEE7269.8020807@channingc.com> 
	<BAY121-W334493408A4C1A4FBE63D99DA80@phx.gbl>
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Awesome...what part of town are you on and when are you usually available?

Ernest

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ernest,  Not sure if the freebie CDs would fit well with the
> usual sales of Linux CDs at the show.  It is too late for me to
> pick them up anyway.  I know of someone who gives away
> a lot of Ubuntu who would use up a bunch of them.  Give me
> a private reply and I will work out a way to get them from you.
>
> Take care of your teeth,  Howard
> --
> Howard Haradon
> San Antonio, TX  USA
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Unfortunately I did not get to make it to the meeting as I was running
> last
> > minute errands before my wisdom teeth removal surgery this morning. I
> still
> > have those 70 or so Ubuntu 9.04 packaged CDs (along with a little display
> > stand) that I am willing to donate for the show. I don't think I will be
> > quite well enough to make it, but if someone wants to pick up the CDs
> from
> > me, I live in the 281/1604 area and would be happy to hand them off to
> > someone to take to the show.
> >
> > I would prefer if someone could pick them up some time this evening
> rather
> > than the AM tomorrow as I am under heavy pain meds and probably will not
> be
> > awake. If not, I can hold them until the next meeting/show.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ernest
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Benjamin Temple <
> > temple_benjamin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I plan to be there. If you have time, can I do a mini-presentation on
> Linux
> >> on Amazon EC2 cloud? That would be great! Also, do I get in for free if
> I
> >> volunteer?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Benjamin Temple
> >> TES
> >> -----------------------------------------
> >> This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the
> recipient
> >> of this e-mail.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:47:21 -0600
> >> > From: Channing.ML@channingc.com
> >> > To: satlug@satlug.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Computer Show
> >> >
> >> > Don Wright wrote:
> >> > > Howard Haradon wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> Nathan, I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
> >> > >> recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
> >> > >> what folks were interested in. Maybe I could show the
> >> > >> same distros that Don has in inventory?
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > This month will be heavy on Ubuntu and friends, owing to the 2009.10
> >> > > release last week. I'll also have the latest Puppy and a few
> utilities
> >> > > such as Clonezilla. (Leo Laporte mentioned it favorably on his
> >> > > www.twit.tv webcast.) --Don
> >> > >
> >> > I've been using Clonezilla instead of Ghost for the last couple of
> >> > years. It's great software.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > SATLUG mailing list
> >> > SATLUG@satlug.org
> >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
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> >>
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From hharadon at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 20:33:50 2009
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Sat Nov 14 20:33:52 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70911141800x7c15b5e9m61e8584b63028175@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091101152549.6F2BD407@resin15.mta.everyone.net>
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I am due west of you in the Woods of Shavano.  Maybe I could
get them at the Dec. meeting.  I hear that there will be tamales
at the meeting!  Hope you're surviving the teeth problems.
HH
-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA



On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr@gmail.com> wrote:
> Awesome...what part of town are you on and when are you usually available?
>
> Ernest
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ernest, ?Not sure if the freebie CDs would fit well with the
>> usual sales of Linux CDs at the show. ?It is too late for me to
>> pick them up anyway. ?I know of someone who gives away
>> a lot of Ubuntu who would use up a bunch of them. ?Give me
>> a private reply and I will work out a way to get them from you.
>>
>> Take care of your teeth, ?Howard
>> --
>> Howard Haradon
>> San Antonio, TX ?USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Unfortunately I did not get to make it to the meeting as I was running
>> last
>> > minute errands before my wisdom teeth removal surgery this morning. I
>> still
>> > have those 70 or so Ubuntu 9.04 packaged CDs (along with a little display
>> > stand) that I am willing to donate for the show. I don't think I will be
>> > quite well enough to make it, but if someone wants to pick up the CDs
>> from
>> > me, I live in the 281/1604 area and would be happy to hand them off to
>> > someone to take to the show.
>> >
>> > I would prefer if someone could pick them up some time this evening
>> rather
>> > than the AM tomorrow as I am under heavy pain meds and probably will not
>> be
>> > awake. If not, I can hold them until the next meeting/show.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ernest
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Benjamin Temple <
>> > temple_benjamin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I plan to be there. If you have time, can I do a mini-presentation on
>> Linux
>> >> on Amazon EC2 cloud? That would be great! Also, do I get in for free if
>> I
>> >> volunteer?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Benjamin Temple
>> >> TES
>> >> -----------------------------------------
>> >> This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the
>> recipient
>> >> of this e-mail.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:47:21 -0600
>> >> > From: Channing.ML@channingc.com
>> >> > To: satlug@satlug.org
>> >> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Computer Show
>> >> >
>> >> > Don Wright wrote:
>> >> > > Howard Haradon wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Nathan, I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
>> >> > >> recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
>> >> > >> what folks were interested in. Maybe I could show the
>> >> > >> same distros that Don has in inventory?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This month will be heavy on Ubuntu and friends, owing to the 2009.10
>> >> > > release last week. I'll also have the latest Puppy and a few
>> utilities
>> >> > > such as Clonezilla. (Leo Laporte mentioned it favorably on his
>> >> > > www.twit.tv webcast.) --Don
>> >> > >
>> >> > I've been using Clonezilla instead of Ghost for the last couple of
>> >> > years. It's great software.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > SATLUG mailing list
>> >> > SATLUG@satlug.org
>> >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>> >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>> >>
>> >> _________________________________________________________________
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From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 20:35:43 2009
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Sat Nov 14 20:36:06 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show
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Sounds good. The teeth are doing well. I had an awesome oral surgeon who
made the experience as smooth as possible. Definitely nothing like the
horror stories I heard from people, especially considering that I had all
four wisdom teeth removed at once.

E

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am due west of you in the Woods of Shavano.  Maybe I could
> get them at the Dec. meeting.  I hear that there will be tamales
> at the meeting!  Hope you're surviving the teeth problems.
> HH
> --
> Howard Haradon
> San Antonio, TX  USA
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Awesome...what part of town are you on and when are you usually
> available?
> >
> > Ernest
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ernest,  Not sure if the freebie CDs would fit well with the
> >> usual sales of Linux CDs at the show.  It is too late for me to
> >> pick them up anyway.  I know of someone who gives away
> >> a lot of Ubuntu who would use up a bunch of them.  Give me
> >> a private reply and I will work out a way to get them from you.
> >>
> >> Take care of your teeth,  Howard
> >> --
> >> Howard Haradon
> >> San Antonio, TX  USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Unfortunately I did not get to make it to the meeting as I was running
> >> last
> >> > minute errands before my wisdom teeth removal surgery this morning. I
> >> still
> >> > have those 70 or so Ubuntu 9.04 packaged CDs (along with a little
> display
> >> > stand) that I am willing to donate for the show. I don't think I will
> be
> >> > quite well enough to make it, but if someone wants to pick up the CDs
> >> from
> >> > me, I live in the 281/1604 area and would be happy to hand them off to
> >> > someone to take to the show.
> >> >
> >> > I would prefer if someone could pick them up some time this evening
> >> rather
> >> > than the AM tomorrow as I am under heavy pain meds and probably will
> not
> >> be
> >> > awake. If not, I can hold them until the next meeting/show.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Ernest
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Benjamin Temple <
> >> > temple_benjamin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Hello,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I plan to be there. If you have time, can I do a mini-presentation on
> >> Linux
> >> >> on Amazon EC2 cloud? That would be great! Also, do I get in for free
> if
> >> I
> >> >> volunteer?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Benjamin Temple
> >> >> TES
> >> >> -----------------------------------------
> >> >> This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the
> >> recipient
> >> >> of this e-mail.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:47:21 -0600
> >> >> > From: Channing.ML@channingc.com
> >> >> > To: satlug@satlug.org
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Computer Show
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Don Wright wrote:
> >> >> > > Howard Haradon wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> Nathan, I plan to bring my PC and could bring along 4-5
> >> >> > >> recent live distros to demo various installs depending on
> >> >> > >> what folks were interested in. Maybe I could show the
> >> >> > >> same distros that Don has in inventory?
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > This month will be heavy on Ubuntu and friends, owing to the
> 2009.10
> >> >> > > release last week. I'll also have the latest Puppy and a few
> >> utilities
> >> >> > > such as Clonezilla. (Leo Laporte mentioned it favorably on his
> >> >> > > www.twit.tv webcast.) --Don
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > I've been using Clonezilla instead of Ghost for the last couple of
> >> >> > years. It's great software.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > SATLUG mailing list
> >> >> > SATLUG@satlug.org
> >> >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to
> manage/unsubscribe
> >> >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
> >> >>
> >> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >> >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
> >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/--
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From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Sun Nov 15 06:46:29 2009
From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Sun Nov 15 06:46:32 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3/Mandriva
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Herb Cee wrote:
> I can't contribute but just say thanks cause does help me in learning
> the huge menu of Linux. As a 2yr noob I am gonna stick with Ubuntu
> because it just works and in these past two yrs all the updates have
> been made with my permission all automatically and only couple minor
> glitches that got fixed tru the forum So I think learning Linux is so
> much easier under that level of support. However that said I will be
> so glad when some memory finally arrives so I can have my test box
> running again to try out various versions and flavors of Linux.

whatcha need, Herb?  I've got a stick of 512mb PC2-4200U-444-12 if
you're interested.


From hc at lookcee.com  Sun Nov 15 19:05:43 2009
From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee)
Date: Sun Nov 15 19:05:45 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] KDE4.3.3/Mandriva changed
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	<4AFFF825.7070406@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <4B00A567.1050602@lookcee.com>

Geoff wrote:
> Herb Cee wrote:
>   
>> I can't contribute but just say thanks cause does help me in learning
>> the huge menu of Linux. As a 2yr noob I am gonna stick with Ubuntu
>> because it just works and in these past two yrs all the updates have
>> been made with my permission all automatically and only couple minor
>> glitches that got fixed tru the forum So I think learning Linux is so
>> much easier under that level of support. However that said I will be
>> so glad when some memory finally arrives so I can have my test box
>> running again to try out various versions and flavors of Linux.
>>     
>
> whatcha need, Herb?  I've got a stick of 512mb PC2-4200U-444-12 if
> you're interested.

Thanks Geoff, I have 2 sticks of 2gb that I got notice was shipped on 
past thurs they are the DDR-2 667 low density modules that is correct 
for the ECS board. My big prob Geoff is living out in the boonies and 
not being able to drive makes any supplies difficult. Thanks anyway but 
this order was originally placed a month ago but was the high density 
modules that run in the Cisco and Sun units I think, I screwed up and 
ordered the wrong number so had to return it and get it swapped.

I was treated fairly and timely but the delivery of mail is only once or 
twice a month so really slows things down. I am excited cause this will 
be the fastest puter I have ever owned with the 3GB dual core socket 775 
CPU and 4GB of 667 dual banks and pair of 200GB SATA drives, Nivida 
graphics chip set on board also the fast NIC . I should be content for 
awhile now.
hh
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Sun Nov 15 21:47:52 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Sun Nov 15 21:48:02 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <4AFF1BEB.8060903@net153.net>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AFF1BEB.8060903@net153.net>
Message-ID: <200911152147.53151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Saturday 14 November 2009 03:06:51 pm Samuel Leon wrote:
> John Choate wrote:
> > I want haldaemon to automatically restart after the system boots, but
> > before the user logs in. What is the best method to do that?
> >
> > John C.
>
> You could try adding the command to /etc/rc.local
> Stuff in there usually gets run after everything else on startup.

You could also move the runlevel's S-link toward the end of that run level's 
ordering... Although, it's already toward the end of the runleve lstart list 
on RHEL5 (CentOS5 actually):

# ls -1 /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S*
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S02lvm2-monitor
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S04readahead_early
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S05kudzu
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S06cpuspeed
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S08ip6tables
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S08iptables
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S10network
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S10restorecond
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S11auditd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S12syslog
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13irqbalance
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13mcstrans                       
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13portmap
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S14nfslock
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S15mdmonitor
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S18rpcidmapd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S19rpcgssd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S22messagebus
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25bluetooth
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25netfs
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25pcscd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S26apmd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S26hidd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S44acpid
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S55cups
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S55sshd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S56xinetd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S65dovecot
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S78spamassassin
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S80sendmail
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S85gpm
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S85httpd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90crond
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95anacron                                  
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95atd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95saslauthd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S96readahead_later
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S97yum-updatesd
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S98haldaemon <-----------------------
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S98mailman
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99firstboot
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99local
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99smartd

Tweeks
From bkfuth at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 22:03:57 2009
From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars)
Date: Sun Nov 15 22:04:02 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <200911152147.53151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AFF1BEB.8060903@net153.net>
	<200911152147.53151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0911152003x5e26f738xc7c83bb8de579d3d@mail.gmail.com>

That is kind of the long hand method. How about using chkconfig?

chkconfig haldaemon on

Steve

2009/11/15 Tweeks <tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>:
> On Saturday 14 November 2009 03:06:51 pm Samuel Leon wrote:
>> John Choate wrote:
>> > I want haldaemon to automatically restart after the system boots, but
>> > before the user logs in. What is the best method to do that?
>> >
>> > John C.
>>
>> You could try adding the command to /etc/rc.local
>> Stuff in there usually gets run after everything else on startup.
>
> You could also move the runlevel's S-link toward the end of that run level's
> ordering... Although, it's already toward the end of the runleve lstart list
> on RHEL5 (CentOS5 actually):
>
> # ls -1 /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S*
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S02lvm2-monitor
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S04readahead_early
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S05kudzu
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S06cpuspeed
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S08ip6tables
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S08iptables
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S10network
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S10restorecond
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S11auditd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S12syslog
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13irqbalance
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13mcstrans
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13portmap
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S14nfslock
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S15mdmonitor
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S18rpcidmapd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S19rpcgssd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S22messagebus
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25bluetooth
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25netfs
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25pcscd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S26apmd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S26hidd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S44acpid
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S55cups
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S55sshd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S56xinetd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S65dovecot
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S78spamassassin
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S80sendmail
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S85gpm
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S85httpd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90crond
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95anacron
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95atd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95saslauthd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S96readahead_later
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S97yum-updatesd
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S98haldaemon <-----------------------
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S98mailman
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99firstboot
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99local
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99smartd
>
> Tweeks
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From hharadon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 12:03:27 2009
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Mon Nov 16 12:03:29 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest
Message-ID: <e5fa90240911161003m3d0af1dfr17080719a15e565c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,  with the fest coming up in January, we had better start getting
the details out to the eager and curious would-be participants.  Maybe
we can put it on Craigs List and perhaps get a spot in the paper
or on a radio station.

HH
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From jdchoate at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 14:25:20 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Mon Nov 16 14:25:34 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <200911152147.53151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AFF1BEB.8060903@net153.net>
	<200911152147.53151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <200911161425.20811.jdchoate@gmail.com>

Thanks for the pointers, all. Hopefully this is just a temporary fix until kernel 2.6.32 (or whichever) comes out. Restarting haldaemon by putting the commands into rc.local works fine for me and only delays my boot time by 5 seconds (due to a 'sleep 5' I put in after stopping haldaemon). Considering I only reboot my laptop once in awhile, this works nicely for me.

John C.
From leif at paisd.net  Tue Nov 17 09:16:18 2009
From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson)
Date: Tue Nov 17 10:00:21 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND  Training
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>


I've been managing our school district's DNS for several years. I learned 
what I know pretty much on my own. Yet sometimes I feel like there are so 
many holes in my knowledge. Is there someone that offers a day-long 
training session on DNS and BIND / Linux security in the San Antonio 
area? I have grant funds for training. -Thanks.

Sincerely,
Leif Johnson
(361) 749-1200 x. 316
http://blog.paisd.net
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Tue Nov 17 10:13:33 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Tue Nov 17 10:13:37 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND  Training
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
Message-ID: <4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net>

sound like it might make a great class for opensource fest

Todd

Leif Johnson wrote:
>
> I've been managing our school district's DNS for several years. I 
> learned what I know pretty much on my own. Yet sometimes I feel like 
> there are so many holes in my knowledge. Is there someone that offers 
> a day-long training session on DNS and BIND / Linux security in the 
> San Antonio area? I have grant funds for training. -Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> Leif Johnson
> (361) 749-1200 x. 316
> http://blog.paisd.net


From pjcrux at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 10:15:32 2009
From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross)
Date: Tue Nov 17 10:15:35 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND Training
In-Reply-To: <4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0911170815k1ae6a1fbjc90777c8d829a526@mail.gmail.com>

or maybe something for the next meeting maybe? I could definitely use some
training.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net>wrote:

> sound like it might make a great class for opensource fest
>
> Todd
>
>
> Leif Johnson wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been managing our school district's DNS for several years. I learned
>> what I know pretty much on my own. Yet sometimes I feel like there are so
>> many holes in my knowledge. Is there someone that offers a day-long training
>> session on DNS and BIND / Linux security in the San Antonio area? I have
>> grant funds for training. -Thanks.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Leif Johnson
>> (361) 749-1200 x. 316
>> http://blog.paisd.net
>>
>
>
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From michael at michaelrice.org  Tue Nov 17 16:27:29 2009
From: michael at michaelrice.org (Michael Rice)
Date: Tue Nov 17 16:27:37 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND Training
In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0911170815k1ae6a1fbjc90777c8d829a526@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net>
	<7c63fb3d0911170815k1ae6a1fbjc90777c8d829a526@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e320f35d0911171427g658984dam2ed916218dcce9df@mail.gmail.com>

I would love some BIND training

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:

> or maybe something for the next meeting maybe? I could definitely use some
> training.
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net
> >wrote:
>
> > sound like it might make a great class for opensource fest
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> > Leif Johnson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I've been managing our school district's DNS for several years. I
> learned
> >> what I know pretty much on my own. Yet sometimes I feel like there are
> so
> >> many holes in my knowledge. Is there someone that offers a day-long
> training
> >> session on DNS and BIND / Linux security in the San Antonio area? I have
> >> grant funds for training. -Thanks.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Leif Johnson
> >> (361) 749-1200 x. 316
> >> http://blog.paisd.net
> >>
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Peter J. Cross
> San Antonio, TX
>
> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions"
> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51
>
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From hc at lookcee.com  Tue Nov 17 18:18:13 2009
From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee)
Date: Tue Nov 17 18:18:15 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND Training
In-Reply-To: <e320f35d0911171427g658984dam2ed916218dcce9df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>	<4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net>	<7c63fb3d0911170815k1ae6a1fbjc90777c8d829a526@mail.gmail.com>
	<e320f35d0911171427g658984dam2ed916218dcce9df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B033D45.1080100@lookcee.com>

Michael Rice wrote:
> I would love some BIND training
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Peter Cross <pjcrux@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> or maybe something for the next meeting maybe? I could definitely use some
>> training.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net
>>     
>>> wrote:
>>>       
>>> sound like it might make a great class for opensource fest
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
>>>
>>> Leif Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I've been managing our school district's DNS for several years. I
>>>>         
>> learned
>>     
>>>> what I know pretty much on my own. Yet sometimes I feel like there are
>>>>         
>> so
>>     
>>>> many holes in my knowledge. Is there someone that offers a day-long
>>>>         
>> training
>>     
>>>> session on DNS and BIND / Linux security in the San Antonio area? I have
>>>> grant funds for training. -Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Leif Johnson

I sure hope if this happens it gets filmed and put up for us shut ins 
and semi shut ins. Linux is such a wonderland of complexity and a 
pirate's chest full of library routines and programs to perform most 
anything you wish to do, Therefore further pontificating there can not 
be too much training.
hh
From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 19:45:45 2009
From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek)
Date: Tue Nov 17 19:45:50 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <494325.27520.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <110534.9269.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

If I dont build the system myself and I just want to buy something I try for the most "bang for the buck".  I bought a Gateway Core2Quad for $449 SX2800-01, 4GB RAM, 640GB HD, firewire, usb, card reader, DVDRW-DL.  Works perfect with openSuSE 11.1 out of the box.  Very compact design which I like also.

-Alex


--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Christopher Connell <connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Christopher Connell <connell.christopher@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 9:12 PM
> Cheryl,
> 
> I mentioned dfsdirectsales.com earlier. Doing a quick check
> they have a P4 2.8GHZ , 256 MB RAM, NO OS, 80 GB HD ,
> CDRW/DVD for $150.00
> 
> And a 2.8 GHZ dual core, 1024 MB RAM, 150 GB HD, NO OS,
> DVDRW for $308.00
> 
> If you were so inclined you could also get a 2.8GHZ
> celeron, 512 RAM, CDRW/DVD, 80 GB HD, with XPP for 140.00
> 


      
From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 20:16:31 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Tue Nov 17 20:16:33 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240911161003m3d0af1dfr17080719a15e565c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <566195.8114.qm@web45706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Howard,
I am the News Editor at the The Paisano, UTSA's school newspaper. If you send me some information about the event. (e.g. Who is hosting the event? Where is the event? When is the event? What is the purpose of the event? 

We have our last of the semester on Nov. 24 and then our first issue of next semester starts on Jan. 19. 


--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Howard Haradon <hharadon@gmail.com>
Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 6:03 PM

Hi,? with the fest coming up in January, we had better start getting
the details out to the eager and curious would-be participants.? Maybe
we can put it on Craigs List and perhaps get a spot in the paper
or on a radio station.

HH
-- 
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From connell.christopher at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 20:19:37 2009
From: connell.christopher at yahoo.com (Christopher Connell)
Date: Tue Nov 17 20:19:41 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Why I choose Mandriva?
In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10911122148h3c1760feybe02da20365e0fda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <386474.47959.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the advice John. I am enjoying my linux experience so far. Glad to be part of that 1% that chose to step outside of Microsoft's shadow. :-)

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, John Champion <satlugacct@jchampion.com> wrote:

From: John Champion <satlugacct@jchampion.com>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Why I choose Mandriva?
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 5:48 AM

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Christopher Connell <
connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Actually I tested out various Live CD's before choosing Mandriva 2010.
> Ubuntu (9.10), Madriva 2009, Fedora (V. 11 KDE & GNOME), Vector Linux (6),
> Knoppix (6.0.1), Mepis (8.0.10), Suse (11.1), Kubuntu (9.04), PC Linux 2009,
> & gNewsense.
>
> I really like Mandriva so far. It installed my wifi automatically and has
> lots of great programs.
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:25 PM
>
> On Thursday 05 November 2009 23:18:22 Arthur Hall wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community.? You'll find the folks on
> this list are very understanding and very helpful.? They have been generous
> with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers and
> software for refugee families.
> >
> > Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows, I looked long and hard for
> a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally settled
> on Ubuntu.? You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux.? It
> has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and
> you can download even more when you're ready.
> >
> > Glad to have you aboard.
> >
> > Art
>
> It is always advised to try out different Linux distributions... but... If
> you are running Mandriva 2010 and you like it, I doubt very much that you
> will be impressed by Ubuntu ;)
> --
>

Thus is the joy of Linux. It's like stepping into Baskin Robbins. There are
many flavors and they are all different in some way shape or form and we all
have our preferences. Some distros hold your hand more than others and some
toss you in without a lifevest. Some let you pick your weapons and others
give you little choice.

Enjoy this learning experience and remember to never close your mind to
anything. Everything in Linux has merit for someone somewhere. It just may
not be you or the person you're talking to.

Thanks
john
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From morfic at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 20:57:37 2009
From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller)
Date: Tue Nov 17 20:57:43 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Why I choose Mandriva?
In-Reply-To: <386474.47959.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1cb556d10911122148h3c1760feybe02da20365e0fda@mail.gmail.com>
	<386474.47959.qm@web45702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <13bb8ce10911171857y1598ce1dl5e6e10b2f41bd7d2@mail.gmail.com>

Would be sad if were a 1% community.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Christopher Connell <
connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the advice John. I am enjoying my linux experience so far. Glad
> to be part of that 1% that chose to step outside of Microsoft's shadow. :-)
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, John Champion <satlugacct@jchampion.com> wrote:
>
> From: John Champion <satlugacct@jchampion.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Why I choose Mandriva?
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 5:48 AM
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Christopher Connell <
> connell.christopher@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually I tested out various Live CD's before choosing Mandriva 2010.
> > Ubuntu (9.10), Madriva 2009, Fedora (V. 11 KDE & GNOME), Vector Linux
> (6),
> > Knoppix (6.0.1), Mepis (8.0.10), Suse (11.1), Kubuntu (9.04), PC Linux
> 2009,
> > & gNewsense.
> >
> > I really like Mandriva so far. It installed my wifi automatically and has
> > lots of great programs.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Introduction
> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org
> >
> > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:25 PM
> >
> > On Thursday 05 November 2009 23:18:22 Arthur Hall wrote:
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > Welcome to the San Antonio Linux community.  You'll find the folks on
> > this list are very understanding and very helpful.  They have been
> generous
> > with their time, talent, and equipment as I have worked to get computers
> and
> > software for refugee families.
> > >
> > > Since many of my "clients" learned on Windows, I looked long and hard
> for
> > a Linux version that was as close as possible to that OS and finally
> settled
> > on Ubuntu.  You may want to give it a try in your transition to Linux.
> It
> > has virtually all the bells and whistles you could want as a beginner and
> > you can download even more when you're ready.
> > >
> > > Glad to have you aboard.
> > >
> > > Art
> >
> > It is always advised to try out different Linux distributions... but...
> If
> > you are running Mandriva 2010 and you like it, I doubt very much that you
> > will be impressed by Ubuntu ;)
> > --
> >
>
> Thus is the joy of Linux. It's like stepping into Baskin Robbins. There are
> many flavors and they are all different in some way shape or form and we
> all
> have our preferences. Some distros hold your hand more than others and some
> toss you in without a lifevest. Some let you pick your weapons and others
> give you little choice.
>
> Enjoy this learning experience and remember to never close your mind to
> anything. Everything in Linux has merit for someone somewhere. It just may
> not be you or the person you're talking to.
>
> Thanks
> john
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From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 21:25:34 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Tue Nov 17 21:25:38 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND  Training
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
Message-ID: <4B03692E.5050602@gmail.com>

Leif Johnson wrote:
> 
> I've been managing our school district's DNS for several years. I 
> learned what I know pretty much on my own. Yet sometimes I feel like 
> there are so many holes in my knowledge. Is there someone that offers a 
> day-long training session on DNS and BIND / Linux security in the San 
> Antonio area? I have grant funds for training. -Thanks.

Lief,
   You've ben around long enough that I think you could pick up 
everything you need to know from the book DNS & BIND.

http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596100575

The current version is the 5th edition.  I've only got the 4th edition, 
but that was pretty good.  I set up the dns server at SAC in Feb 2004 
and it's still running with only a few minor configuration file changes.

It uses a split horizon (different responses for internal and external 
hosts) system, so its more than the trivial setup.

The biggest change to DNS has been quite recent in that they are adding 
support for non-ascii domain names.  That is basically a non-issue for 
servers here in the US unless you are going to set up domain names with 
Chinese or similar characters.

Just ask your questions here and I'm sure they'll get answered.

   -- Bruce
From riugakusei at aim.com  Tue Nov 17 23:25:44 2009
From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com)
Date: Tue Nov 17 23:26:00 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] bluetooth suse 11.2
Message-ID: <8CC3626B5D89A61-1650-7D4A@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>

 i just did a suse 11.2 install oin my gateway nv52 everything is working fine except for my bluetooth...... any specific kernel module i have to load in order for it to get recognized?

i try searching for it but nothing: lsusb|less:



 

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Bus 002 Device 003: ID 05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub

Bus 002 Device 004: ID 064e:a103 Suyin Corp. 

Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0fca:8004 Research In Motion, Ltd. 

Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

Bus 005 Device 002: ID 046d:c51b Logitech, Inc. V220 Cordless Optical Mouse for Notebooks



lsmod| grep bluetooth return nothing so did dmesg

?any help here... not to much knowledge w/ bluetooth under linux Thanks in advanced

Vega

From brad at shub-internet.org  Tue Nov 17 21:48:56 2009
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed Nov 18 02:35:04 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND  Training
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
Message-ID: <A8471668-CFEC-4D77-AD1B-D04B92B74256@shub-internet.org>

On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Leif Johnson wrote:

> I've been managing our school district's DNS for several years. I learned what I know pretty much on my own. Yet sometimes I feel like there are so many holes in my knowledge. Is there someone that offers a day-long training session on DNS and BIND / Linux security in the San Antonio area? I have grant funds for training. -Thanks.

I taught a half-day class on DNS & BIND at a conference in Europe a while back, based on material from Cricket Liu (from his days when he was working at Men & Mice, whom I had done some other consulting with).

I could contact Cricket and see if they're interested in doing a tutorial at an upcoming event in the area, or allowing me to do something based on the work I've done with him in the past.  A couple years back, I was working on becoming a Certified Infoblox Instructor (see <https://www.infoblox.com/training/training.cfm>), so that I could do some consulting gigs for them training people to use their products.  Unfortunately, most of those classes are specific to the Infoblox products, but I think they do have some online "webinars" that are more basic.


Alternatively, the ISC has done training on DNS & BIND here in Texas in the past, and although there isn't anything currently local listed on their official training schedule (see <https://www.isc.org/services/training/schedule>), they have always been responsive to requests for additional training if suitable arrangements can be made.

I could probably teach the class myself, using their material.  That would save them needing to send someone out here, and the only arrangements that would need to be made would be to compensate them for the use of their material.


If there is enough interest in this topic, I can certainly contact the folks at Infoblox or ISC and see what arrangements can be made.

--
Brad Knowles <bradknowles@shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
From leif at paisd.net  Wed Nov 18 08:15:16 2009
From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson)
Date: Wed Nov 18 08:15:19 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND Training
In-Reply-To: <e320f35d0911171427g658984dam2ed916218dcce9df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net>
	<7c63fb3d0911170815k1ae6a1fbjc90777c8d829a526@mail.gmail.com>
	<e320f35d0911171427g658984dam2ed916218dcce9df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911180811450.17545@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>


>>> sound like it might make a great class for opensource fest
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>

Yes:  I was thinking more like a hands-on training seminar with some DNS & 
BIND Guru. Certainly there's an expert in Bexar County that could draw a 
crowd. Like I said, I have grant funds for professional development. $$

Sincerely,
Leif Johnson
(361) 749-1200 x. 316
http://blog.paisd.net
From j at jvpappas.net  Wed Nov 18 10:03:37 2009
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Wed Nov 18 10:03:42 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] bluetooth suse 11.2
In-Reply-To: <8CC3626B5D89A61-1650-7D4A@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC3626B5D89A61-1650-7D4A@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450911180803g2f24504cqc51f77569559c467@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, you will need the driver and potentially firmware, depending on your
radio.  I am not in front of my (now ancient) IBM T43p with bluetooth and
OS11.1 so I can't walk you though it.

Depending on your GUI, there is a bluetooth package for it (search Software
Management in Yast for `bluetooth`.  IIRC those packages can manage the
pairings and whatnot.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 23:25, <riugakusei@aim.com> wrote:

>  i just did a suse 11.2 install oin my gateway nv52 everything is working
> fine except for my bluetooth...... any specific kernel module i have to load
> in order for it to get recognized?
>
> i try searching for it but nothing: lsusb|less:
>
>
>
>
>
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>
> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link
> DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub
>
> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 064e:a103 Suyin Corp.
>
> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0fca:8004 Research In Motion, Ltd.
>
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
>
> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
>
> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
>
> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 046d:c51b Logitech, Inc. V220 Cordless Optical Mouse
> for Notebooks
>
>
>
> lsmod| grep bluetooth return nothing so did dmesg
>
> ?any help here... not to much knowledge w/ bluetooth under linux Thanks in
> advanced
>
> Vega
>
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From othniel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 11:59:01 2009
From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen)
Date: Wed Nov 18 11:59:08 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Dell Ubuntu Tower desktops
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70911112341g693ea236la1048fcb472748e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70911101539l2dedf918s43f31f793746c90d@mail.gmail.com>
	<494325.27520.qm@web45708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<7e4994a70911112341g693ea236la1048fcb472748e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24b598f60911180959u60ed53eap7bfd003d12560f06@mail.gmail.com>

For sale:

Dell GX150 with 1GHz P3 Processor
Ubuntu 8.04 on a 40 GB HD
CD Burner
Zip 750
384MB

Asking $100 with monitor
I will upgrade memory or DVD at cost.
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Wed Nov 18 23:10:11 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Wed Nov 18 23:10:20 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0911152003x5e26f738xc7c83bb8de579d3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911152147.53151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
	<9b6ae23d0911152003x5e26f738xc7c83bb8de579d3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911182310.11542.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Sunday 15 November 2009 10:03:57 pm steve kolars wrote:
> That is kind of the long hand method. How about using chkconfig?
>
> chkconfig haldaemon on

He wasn't trying to turn it on.. but have it turn on last.

Although the turn on order can be modified (in Red Hat systems) by changing 
these lines:

# chkconfig: 345 98 02

The "98" number is the start order.. Change it to 99 to make it start up 
last. :)

Tweeks

> Steve
>
> 2009/11/15 Tweeks <tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>:
> > On Saturday 14 November 2009 03:06:51 pm Samuel Leon wrote:
> >> John Choate wrote:
> >> > I want haldaemon to automatically restart after the system boots, but
> >> > before the user logs in. What is the best method to do that?
> >> >
> >> > John C.
> >>
> >> You could try adding the command to /etc/rc.local
> >> Stuff in there usually gets run after everything else on startup.
> >
> > You could also move the runlevel's S-link toward the end of that run
> > level's ordering... Although, it's already toward the end of the runleve
> > lstart list on RHEL5 (CentOS5 actually):
> >
> > # ls -1 /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S*
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S02lvm2-monitor
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S04readahead_early
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S05kudzu
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S06cpuspeed
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S08ip6tables
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S08iptables
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S10network
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S10restorecond
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S11auditd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S12syslog
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13irqbalance
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13mcstrans
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S13portmap
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S14nfslock
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S15mdmonitor
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S18rpcidmapd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S19rpcgssd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S22messagebus
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25bluetooth
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25netfs
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S25pcscd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S26apmd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S26hidd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S44acpid
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S55cups
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S55sshd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S56xinetd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S65dovecot
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S78spamassassin
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S80sendmail
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S85gpm
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S85httpd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90crond
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95anacron
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95atd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S95saslauthd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S96readahead_later
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S97yum-updatesd
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S98haldaemon <-----------------------
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S98mailman
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99firstboot
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99local
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99smartd
> >
> > Tweeks
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From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Wed Nov 18 23:15:36 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Wed Nov 18 23:15:42 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND  Training
In-Reply-To: <A8471668-CFEC-4D77-AD1B-D04B92B74256@shub-internet.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<A8471668-CFEC-4D77-AD1B-D04B92B74256@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <200911182315.36278.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Tuesday 17 November 2009 09:48:56 pm Brad Knowles wrote:
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Leif Johnson wrote:
> > I've been managing our school district's DNS for several years. I learned
> > what I know pretty much on my own. Yet sometimes I feel like there are so
> > many holes in my knowledge. Is there someone that offers a day-long
> > training session on DNS and BIND / Linux security in the San Antonio
> > area? I have grant funds for training. -Thanks.
>
> I taught a half-day class on DNS & BIND at a conference in Europe a while
> back, based on material from Cricket Liu 

Hey Brad.. I bet you could do a presentation on tinydns.  ;)

<duck>  whoa!

hehe

Tweeks
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 23:50:53 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Wed Nov 18 23:50:57 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <200911182310.11542.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>	<200911152147.53151.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>	<9b6ae23d0911152003x5e26f738xc7c83bb8de579d3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911182310.11542.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <4B04DCBD.6070004@gmail.com>

Tweeks wrote:
> On Sunday 15 November 2009 10:03:57 pm steve kolars wrote:
>> That is kind of the long hand method. How about using chkconfig?
>>
>> chkconfig haldaemon on
> 
> He wasn't trying to turn it on.. but have it turn on last.
> 
> Although the turn on order can be modified (in Red Hat systems) by changing 
> these lines:
> 
> # chkconfig: 345 98 02
> 
> The "98" number is the start order.. Change it to 99 to make it start up 
> last. :)

Not 100% precise.  If there are other scripts at 99 that start with a 
string found later in the alphabet than 'haldaemon', those will be 
started later.  For instance:

/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99firstboot
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99haldaemon
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99local
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99smartd

Now if you named the script with something non-standrd like 
SZ99haldaemon, it would indeed start last.  The scripts are run in the 
order returned by:

  /etc/rc$runlevel.d/S*

Yes, its a nitpick, but something I think should be understood by anyone 
who want to change the order of initialization scripts.

For more information, read the script /etc/rc.d/rc on a RedHat system.
The startup scripts for Ubuntu are similar but differ significantly in 
implementation.

http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/57213

   -- Bruce
From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Nov 19 00:46:57 2009
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu Nov 19 00:47:02 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND  Training
In-Reply-To: <200911182315.36278.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<A8471668-CFEC-4D77-AD1B-D04B92B74256@shub-internet.org>
	<200911182315.36278.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <5DC08983-0D7B-4F6A-B1D0-0190596148CF@shub-internet.org>

On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Tweeks wrote:

>> I taught a half-day class on DNS & BIND at a conference in Europe a while
>> back, based on material from Cricket Liu 
> 
> Hey Brad.. I bet you could do a presentation on tinydns.  ;)

Actually, I could.  But it probably wouldn't be the class you were expecting or hoping for -- unless you were already familiar with the invited talk material at <http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/papers/dnscomparison/>.

;-)

--
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LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From riugakusei at aim.com  Thu Nov 19 12:10:44 2009
From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com)
Date: Thu Nov 19 12:10:58 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] kismet.CONF SUSE 11.2
Message-ID: <8CC375ABEF8EE25-57B8-194AA@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>

hey guys am running open suse 11.2 am trying to run kismet i have an Atheros AR928X card.... my kismet.conf is? source: madwifi_ag,wlan0, internal

?when i run kismet? it tells me NO NETWORKS SEEN COULDNOT CONNECT TO THE GSPD SERVER,WILL RECONNECT IN 5 SECS, KISMET IS SHUTTING DOWN IT HAS ENCOUNTERED AN FATAL ERROR AND SHUTTING DOWN

IT DOESNT TELL ME ANYTHING ELSE.... ANY HELP,HINTS? THANKS IN ADVANCE...VEGA
 

 

From alex1009dgo at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 19 20:00:34 2009
From: alex1009dgo at hotmail.com (Alejandro herrera)
Date: Thu Nov 19 20:02:06 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] assembly compiler for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <5DC08983-0D7B-4F6A-B1D0-0190596148CF@shub-internet.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>,
	<A8471668-CFEC-4D77-AD1B-D04B92B74256@shub-internet.org>,
	<200911182315.36278.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>,
	<5DC08983-0D7B-4F6A-B1D0-0190596148CF@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <COL112-W41469A6701CF0312611DCEBBA10@phx.gbl>


what compiler I can download for my Ubuntu 9.04 64 bit architecture Machine... I have heard that the gcc compiler can make it but I have not found on line any info on it or what switch(es) might need for Assembly.

Regards
 		 	   		  
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From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 20:21:10 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Thu Nov 19 20:21:13 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] assembly compiler for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W41469A6701CF0312611DCEBBA10@phx.gbl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>,
	<A8471668-CFEC-4D77-AD1B-D04B92B74256@shub-internet.org>,
	<200911182315.36278.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>,
	<5DC08983-0D7B-4F6A-B1D0-0190596148CF@shub-internet.org>
	<COL112-W41469A6701CF0312611DCEBBA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B05FD16.60100@gmail.com>

Alejandro herrera wrote:
> what compiler I can download for my Ubuntu 9.04 64 bit architecture
> Machine... I have heard that the gcc compiler can make it but I have
> not found on line any info on it or what switch(es) might need for
> Assembly.

The short answer is "I don't know.", but what distro are you using?  A 
64-bit system can run either the 32-bit or 64-bit OS.

I built a complete 'pure' (not multi-lib) 64-bit version of Linux From 
Scratch from ubuntu-9.04-server-amd64.iso without any problems at all.
No special switches required.

If you are doing a cross-compile from a 32-bit system to a 64-bit 
system, specialized switches would be needed.

I'd just try it and see if it works.

   -- Bruce

From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Thu Nov 19 23:24:29 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Thu Nov 19 23:24:38 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND  Training
In-Reply-To: <5DC08983-0D7B-4F6A-B1D0-0190596148CF@shub-internet.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<200911182315.36278.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
	<5DC08983-0D7B-4F6A-B1D0-0190596148CF@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <200911192324.30115.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Thursday 19 November 2009 12:46:57 am Brad Knowles wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Tweeks wrote:
> >> I taught a half-day class on DNS & BIND at a conference in Europe a
> >> while back, based on material from Cricket Liu
> >
> > Hey Brad.. I bet you could do a presentation on tinydns.  ;)
>
> Actually, I could.  But it probably wouldn't be the class you were
> expecting or hoping for -- unless you were already familiar with the
> invited talk material at
> <http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/papers/dnscomparison/>.
>
> ;-)

;) back-at'cha

I was being facetious d00d.. heh

Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Fri Nov 20 00:34:58 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Fri Nov 20 00:35:06 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <4B04DCBD.6070004@gmail.com>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911182310.11542.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
	<4B04DCBD.6070004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911200034.58319.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Wednesday 18 November 2009 11:50:53 pm Bruce Dubbs wrote:
[...]
> > The "98" number is the start order.. Change it to 99 to make it start up
> > last. :)
>
> Not 100% precise.  If there are other scripts at 99 that start with a
> string found later in the alphabet than 'haldaemon', those will be
> started later.  For instance:

I figured it would be you to point it out BRUUUUUCE... 
;)



> Now if you named the script with something non-standrd like
> SZ99haldaemon, it would indeed start last.  The scripts are run in the
> order returned by:
>
>   /etc/rc$runlevel.d/S*
>
> Yes, its a nitpick, but something I think should be understood by anyone
> who want to change the order of initialization scripts.

If you want to be hyper-accurate Bruce.. you left a couple nits 
unpicked.

Depending on what distro you're using, init script system can vary quite a bit.
By doing your renaming hack, the symlink can break other parts of the system.

For example, the Red Hat chkconfig automation system.  Your hack 
would have left chkconfig crippled like this:  

	# chkconfig --list haldaemon
	haldaemon        0:off   1:off   2:on    3:off   4:on    5:on    6:off

Sorry Bruce... my nit now.. ;)


> For more information, read the script /etc/rc.d/rc on a RedHat system.

A better "hack" that WOULDN'T break the a Red Hat system would 
be to use the system to hack itself, but correctly.  

For example.. on a RH system, instead of hacking the symlink (illegally), 
play within the bounds of the chkconfig system: 
-Delete (tear down) the SysV symlinks, 
-RENAME the init script itself, 
-then properly modify it's start and stop order number, 
-then rebuild the links with the chkconfig add command

So to do it correctly, first remove the SysV init script symlinks by
using the RH "chkconfig --del" command, but don't actually stop it:
	
	# ls -la /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*hal*
	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Nov 19 23:56 /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S98haldaemon -> ../init.d/haldaemon
	# chkconfig --del haldaemon
	# ls -la /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*hal*
	ls: /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*hal*: No such file or directory

Now rename the actual SysV init script to make it last alphabetically:

	# mv /etc/rc.d/init.d/haldaemon /etc/rc.d/init.d/ZZhaldaemon

Next, modify these "comment lines" in the init script:

	# chkconfig: 345 98 02
to
	# chkconfig: 345 99 02

(the 98 was the OLD start order.. now 99 is)

Now use chkconfig to add (and rebuild) the valid start links using 
its new service name:
	# chkconfig --add ZZhaldaemon
	# chkconfig --list |grep ZZ
	ZZhaldaemon     0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off

While still showing the new correctly modified start order:

 	# ls -la /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*hal*
	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Nov 20 00:02 /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S99ZZhaldaemon -> ../init.d/ZZhaldaemon

You might also want to add the "hal" package to the yum skiplist to prevent it 
from being changed via some future update.  

NOW the system is "good" and you have avoided setting up someone else da bomb.

That is.. unless you want prevent from updating by maybe creating and hacking 
a decoy init script that can't be upgraded:
	touch /etc/rc.d/init.d/haldaemon && chattr +i /etc/rc.d/init.d/haldaemon

hehe.. (that was a joke).. ;)


L8ERs...

Tweeks
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 10:41:47 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Fri Nov 20 10:42:00 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <200911200034.58319.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B04DCBD.6070004@gmail.com>
	<200911200034.58319.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <200911201041.47684.jdchoate@gmail.com>

On Friday 20 November 2009 00:34:58 Tweeks wrote:
> Depending on what distro you're using, init script system can vary quite a bit.
> By doing your renaming hack, the symlink can break other parts of the system.
> 
> For example, the Red Hat chkconfig automation system.  Your hack 
> would have left chkconfig crippled like this:  
> 
>         # chkconfig --list haldaemon
>         haldaemon        0:off   1:off   2:on    3:off   4:on    5:on    6:off
> 
> Sorry Bruce... my nit now.. ;)
> 
> 
> > For more information, read the script /etc/rc.d/rc on a RedHat system.
> 
> A better "hack" that WOULDN'T break the a Red Hat system would 
> be to use the system to hack itself, but correctly.  
> 
> For example.. on a RH system, instead of hacking the symlink (illegally), 
> play within the bounds of the chkconfig system: 
> -Delete (tear down) the SysV symlinks, 
> -RENAME the init script itself, 
> -then properly modify it's start and stop order number, 
> -then rebuild the links with the chkconfig add command
> 
> So to do it correctly, first remove the SysV init script symlinks by
> using the RH "chkconfig --del" command, but don't actually stop it:
>         
>         # ls -la /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*hal*
>         lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Nov 19 23:56 /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S98haldaemon -> ../init.d/haldaemon
>         # chkconfig --del haldaemon
>         # ls -la /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*hal*
>         ls: /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*hal*: No such file or directory
> 
> Now rename the actual SysV init script to make it last alphabetically:
> 
>         # mv /etc/rc.d/init.d/haldaemon /etc/rc.d/init.d/ZZhaldaemon
> 
> Next, modify these "comment lines" in the init script:
> 
>         # chkconfig: 345 98 02
> to
>         # chkconfig: 345 99 02
> 
> (the 98 was the OLD start order.. now 99 is)
> 
> Now use chkconfig to add (and rebuild) the valid start links using 
> its new service name:
>         # chkconfig --add ZZhaldaemon
>         # chkconfig --list |grep ZZ
>         ZZhaldaemon     0:off   1:off   2:off   3:on    4:on    5:on    6:off
> 
> While still showing the new correctly modified start order:
> 
>         # ls -la /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/*hal*
>         lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Nov 20 00:02 /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S99ZZhaldaemon -> ../init.d/ZZhaldaemon
> 
> You might also want to add the "hal" package to the yum skiplist to prevent it 
> from being changed via some future update.  
> 
> NOW the system is "good" and you have avoided setting up someone else da bomb.
> 
> That is.. unless you want prevent from updating by maybe creating and hacking 
> a decoy init script that can't be upgraded:
>         touch /etc/rc.d/init.d/haldaemon && chattr +i /etc/rc.d/init.d/haldaemon
> 
> hehe.. (that was a joke).. ;)
> 
> 
> L8ERs...
> 
> Tweeks
> -- 

Well, thanks again. This is certainly more info than I needed or can use. But I will save it for future reference.
Adding commands to restart haldaemon in rc.local worked fine for me and will do well until Mandriva releases updates with a kernel beyond 2.6.31. They should have it sorted by then, or so I hope.
This is all related to a problem I posted about previously where certain USB drives were not mounting unless they had an external power supply or were already plugged in upon boot. In both of those cases, mount time took extra long (about a minute).
All is working properly now that haldaemon is restarting without me having to provide root password for a script every time I logged in.

John C
From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 11:47:08 2009
From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez)
Date: Fri Nov 20 11:47:10 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] assembly compiler for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <COL112-W41469A6701CF0312611DCEBBA10@phx.gbl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<A8471668-CFEC-4D77-AD1B-D04B92B74256@shub-internet.org>
	<200911182315.36278.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
	<5DC08983-0D7B-4F6A-B1D0-0190596148CF@shub-internet.org>
	<COL112-W41469A6701CF0312611DCEBBA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1247a04a0911200947jace9fedk8a923c1f65e39991@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Alejandro herrera
<alex1009dgo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> what compiler I can download for my Ubuntu 9.04 64 bit architecture Machine... I have heard that the gcc compiler can make it but I have not found on line any info on it or what switch(es) might need for Assembly.
>
> Regards
>
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From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Fri Nov 20 22:40:39 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Fri Nov 20 22:54:36 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <200911201041.47684.jdchoate@gmail.com>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911200034.58319.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
	<200911201041.47684.jdchoate@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911202240.39962.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Friday 20 November 2009 10:41:47 am John D Choate wrote:
[...]
> Well, thanks again. This is certainly more info than I needed or can use.

Yeah.. sorry about that.  I meant to add.. don't actually mess with any of 
this SysV simlinking that Bruce and I were tossing around.. 
Bruce and I were just having a public geek pissing contest.

There's really no point in moving the start order from 98 to 99ZZ since the 
thing running right after haldaemon in our examples WAS the rc.local file 
anyway.. hehe


> But I will save it for future reference. Adding commands to restart
> haldaemon in rc.local worked fine for me 

Yeah man.. you're good.. :)


Good luck John

Tweeks
From bkfuth at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 00:12:26 2009
From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars)
Date: Sat Nov 21 00:12:29 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <200911202240.39962.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911200034.58319.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
	<200911201041.47684.jdchoate@gmail.com>
	<200911202240.39962.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0911202212l2fa53bfcj598cbeec92647858@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, I was enjoying the contest...it was a pretty good
discussion. Oops...was that my geek showing? ;)

Steve

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Tweeks <tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> wrote:
> On Friday 20 November 2009 10:41:47 am John D Choate wrote:
> [...]
>> Well, thanks again. This is certainly more info than I needed or can use.
>
> Yeah.. sorry about that. ?I meant to add.. don't actually mess with any of
> this SysV simlinking that Bruce and I were tossing around..
> Bruce and I were just having a public geek pissing contest.
>
> There's really no point in moving the start order from 98 to 99ZZ since the
> thing running right after haldaemon in our examples WAS the rc.local file
> anyway.. hehe
>
>
>> But I will save it for future reference. Adding commands to restart
>> haldaemon in rc.local worked fine for me
>
> Yeah man.. you're good.. :)
>
>
> Good luck John
>
> Tweeks
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From bkfuth at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 09:05:44 2009
From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars)
Date: Sat Nov 21 09:05:46 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] open source fest
Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0911210705h286e9a61x8dd1c30df0691fbf@mail.gmail.com>

OK guys, I am back amongst the living (sorta). I started out the morning
with stuff like this, now I have to get caught up with my stuff (at least
try--he he).  http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/<http://cis.sac.accd.edu/%7Eskolars/satlug/>
.

Hope you have a great weekend.
Steve
From afcasta at satx.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 09:24:48 2009
From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli)
Date: Sat Nov 21 09:24:52 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] BIND Training
In-Reply-To: <4B033D45.1080100@lookcee.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net>
	<7c63fb3d0911170815k1ae6a1fbjc90777c8d829a526@mail.gmail.com>
	<e320f35d0911171427g658984dam2ed916218dcce9df@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B033D45.1080100@lookcee.com>
Message-ID: <1258817088.2577.5.camel@phrodo>



On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:18 -0600, Herb Cee wrote:
[discussion on DNS/BIND on Linux]
> 
> I sure hope if this happens it gets filmed and put up for us shut ins 
> and semi shut ins. Linux is such a wonderland of complexity and a 
> pirate's chest full of library routines and programs to perform most 
> anything you wish to do, Therefore further pontificating there can not 
> be too much training.
> hh

I'm pretty sure Miguel Figueroa taped my presentation when we were
meeting at the Cisco offices "a few years ago" where I showed how I used
Linux/BIND 9 servers to load balance 1200 Exchange servers and host 3500
domains for a 72 server web farm here in town. 

I don't know if Miguel still reads the mailing list, but as he was the
second SATLUG president, one of the officers may be able to contact him.

Al Castanoli


From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 09:44:09 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Sat Nov 21 09:44:13 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] open source fest
In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0911210705h286e9a61x8dd1c30df0691fbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b6ae23d0911210705h286e9a61x8dd1c30df0691fbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B080AC9.3030308@gmail.com>

steve kolars wrote:
> OK guys, I am back amongst the living (sorta). I started out the morning
> with stuff like this, now I have to get caught up with my stuff (at least
> try--he he).  http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/<http://cis.sac.accd.edu/%7Eskolars/satlug/>

Thursday through Sunday?  Please put a day-of-week and date in the 
header of each time slot.

   -- Bruce

From bkfuth at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 13:32:33 2009
From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars)
Date: Sat Nov 21 13:32:36 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] open source fest
In-Reply-To: <4B080AC9.3030308@gmail.com>
References: <9b6ae23d0911210705h286e9a61x8dd1c30df0691fbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B080AC9.3030308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0911211132k3c543f21j22d6de9b18d28fd2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs@gmail.com> wrote:

> steve kolars wrote:
>
>> OK guys, I am back amongst the living (sorta). I started out the morning
>> with stuff like this, now I have to get caught up with my stuff (at least
>> try--he he).  http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/<http://cis.sac.accd.edu/%7Eskolars/satlug/>
>> <http://cis.sac.accd.edu/%7Eskolars/satlug/>
>>
>
> Thursday through Sunday?  Please put a day-of-week and date in the header
> of each time slot.
>
>  -- Bruce
>
> January, 2010, according to my calendar is Wednesday through Saturday.
Unless I am holding it upside down (which could be--he he).

Steve

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From jdchoate at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 13:52:42 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Sat Nov 21 13:52:49 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] haldaemon restart at boot
In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0911202212l2fa53bfcj598cbeec92647858@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e60e56d30911141258i720a35c2v3fcbc97f6a35df29@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911202240.39962.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
	<9b6ae23d0911202212l2fa53bfcj598cbeec92647858@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911211352.42564.jdchoate@gmail.com>

On Saturday 21 November 2009 00:12:26 steve kolars wrote:
> Actually, I was enjoying the contest...it was a pretty good
> discussion. Oops...was that my geek showing? ;)
> 
> Steve
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Tweeks <tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> wrote:
> > On Friday 20 November 2009 10:41:47 am John D Choate wrote:
> > [...]
> >> Well, thanks again. This is certainly more info than I needed or can use.
> >
> > Yeah.. sorry about that.  I meant to add.. don't actually mess with any of
> > this SysV simlinking that Bruce and I were tossing around..
> > Bruce and I were just having a public geek pissing contest.
> >
> > There's really no point in moving the start order from 98 to 99ZZ since the
> > thing running right after haldaemon in our examples WAS the rc.local file
> > anyway.. hehe
> >
> >
> >> But I will save it for future reference. Adding commands to restart
> >> haldaemon in rc.local worked fine for me
> >
> > Yeah man.. you're good.. :)
> >
> >
> > Good luck John
> >
> > Tweeks
> > --
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> > SATLUG@satlug.org
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> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

LOL, feel free to continue, by all means. I will read it all, but act upon none of it since all is working as it should now.

John C.
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 15:52:35 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:52:39 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] open source fest
In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0911211132k3c543f21j22d6de9b18d28fd2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9b6ae23d0911210705h286e9a61x8dd1c30df0691fbf@mail.gmail.com>	<4B080AC9.3030308@gmail.com>
	<9b6ae23d0911211132k3c543f21j22d6de9b18d28fd2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B086123.6090003@gmail.com>

steve kolars wrote:

>> January, 2010, according to my calendar is Wednesday through Saturday.

OK.  I misread the calendar.  I still recommend you label each day e.g.

Wednesday, January 6, 2010
Thursday, January 7, 2010

etc.  Right now is just says TBA.

   -- Bruce
From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 19:15:30 2009
From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek)
Date: Sat Nov 21 19:15:33 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Free Palm centro stuff
Message-ID: <761872.13293.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

my phone broke so I bought a Droid.  I have a free battery, stylus, charger and USB cable for it.  I wanted to post it to my fellow Linux users before I put it on Craigslist.

email me direct if you want it.

-Alex


      
From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 21 22:14:46 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Sat Nov 21 22:14:47 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG December 9 Meeting
Message-ID: <67chg5t0c2gb7rjnuq9s1eljh8l9d6nthj@4ax.com>

The December 9th meeting is the annual election of officers for SATLUG.
All members are encouraged to attend (if only to avoid getting elected).

That is also the date for the annual SATLUG Christmas-Hanukkah-Kwanzaa-
Ramadan-Solstice-Sadeh-Bodhi-Dong zhi-Saturnalia-Yule-Hogswatch-
Festivus-etc.[1] party. As always our friends in XCSSA are invited to
share our good cheer. Several of us are providing decorations and
edibles for the party. So far tamales, cheeses, and some sweets have
been promised, but more food is mostly[2] welcome. 

So stay safe on Black Friday and we'll hope to see you on December 9th!

  --Don, for the Directors


[1] As the traditional celebrations of several of those are prohibited
by campus regulations, we'll just have food, non-alcoholic libations,
avoid pyrotechnics, and keep our clothes on.

[2] Bring leftover turkey at your own risk.

-- 
            2010 Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest
       January 6-9 -- SAC Nail Technology Center
  Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA
        http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 22:19:20 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Sat Nov 21 22:19:27 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Free Palm centro stuff
In-Reply-To: <761872.13293.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <761872.13293.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200911212219.21178.jdchoate@gmail.com>

On Saturday 21 November 2009 19:15:30 Alex Bartonek wrote:
> my phone broke so I bought a Droid.

Is that an accurate statement? Or, possibly, your phone got broken so you could get a Droid? ;) j.k.
I got a Moto. Droid on the day it was released and am rather addicted to it.
From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 23:47:34 2009
From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek)
Date: Sat Nov 21 23:47:36 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Free Palm centro stuff
In-Reply-To: <200911212219.21178.jdchoate@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <557775.59427.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Well I broke my phone but not to get a droid. lol.  I got the Droid Eris.  I looked at the Droid but it seemed less responsive than the Eris so I passed on it.


--- On Sat, 11/21/09, John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: John D Choate <jdchoate@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT] Free Palm centro stuff
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 10:19 PM
> On Saturday 21 November 2009 19:15:30
> Alex Bartonek wrote:
> > my phone broke so I bought a Droid.
> 
> Is that an accurate statement? Or, possibly, your phone got
> broken so you could get a Droid? ;) j.k.
> I got a Moto. Droid on the day it was released and am
> rather addicted to it.
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From gregswift at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 13:32:28 2009
From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift)
Date: Sun Nov 22 13:32:34 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] dual screen issues and trouble getting to various irc
	servers from GVTC
Message-ID: <4e3f91d70911221132m38c69144pbdf5fdec8a3da81d@mail.gmail.com>

hi guys.  So i re-installed my local box to Fedora 12 from 11 ((i was doing
some wonky things and I think it caused the pre-upgrade to fail horribly).
One thing I forgot to do was keep my xorg.conf.  <sarcasm>I know that in the
nice wonderful world that Linux is supposed to be we don't need one.
</sarcasm>  But unfortunately when you have a analog and digital connected
monitor and only the digital reads properly (something about it always
assuming that analog == CRT) means you have to define your monitor in
xorg.conf.  Anyways, I'm playing with this and got my root user's x session
right, but I need a layout section to make it universal, and that keeps
crashing on me.  So in an effeort to try and find a better solution I went
to hop on freenode and ask on #fedora.  After trying to figure out why
empathy wouldn't connect I moved to xchat (empathy wasn't very forthcoming
with information, even in its debug screen).  And well I can't seem to
connect to freenode, or undernet, or efnet.  When I nmap any of the ips I
see that the port is filtered.  I'm on GVTC's 98.8.128.0 network.  Can
anyone else confirm deny this behavior?

Recommendations on getting the system to recognize the analog lcd would be
nice too :)

Thanks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Mon Nov 23 23:25:16 2009
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Mon Nov 23 23:25:25 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] SATLUG December 9 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <67chg5t0c2gb7rjnuq9s1eljh8l9d6nthj@4ax.com>
References: <67chg5t0c2gb7rjnuq9s1eljh8l9d6nthj@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <200911232325.17018.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Saturday 21 November 2009 10:14:46 pm X-otic Computer Systems of San 
Antonio wrote:
[...]
> [1] As the traditional celebrations of several of those are prohibited
> by campus regulations, we'll just have food, non-alcoholic libations,
> avoid pyrotechnics, and keep our clothes on.

So I guess bringing a birthday cake would be right out..
Hmmm.. Isn't this part of why the Puritans left England? ;)

Tweeks
From youcanlinux at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 06:58:45 2009
From: youcanlinux at gmail.com (Daniel Villarreal)
Date: Tue Nov 24 06:58:51 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] SATLUG December 9 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <200911232325.17018.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <67chg5t0c2gb7rjnuq9s1eljh8l9d6nthj@4ax.com>
	<200911232325.17018.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <f53bee740911240458v51ed777ewe81f2a544de49269@mail.gmail.com>

Don't you mean John Wayne and the rest of the Pilgrims ???  :-)

>>... we'll just have food, non-alcoholic libations,
>> avoid pyrotechnics, and keep our clothes on.
>
> So I guess bringing a birthday cake would be right out..
> Hmmm.. Isn't this part of why the Puritans left England? ;)
>
> Tweeks
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Tue Nov 24 07:02:27 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Tue Nov 24 07:02:29 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] SATLUG December 9 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <200911232325.17018.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <67chg5t0c2gb7rjnuq9s1eljh8l9d6nthj@4ax.com>
	<200911232325.17018.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <4B0BD963.4010102@grandecom.net>

Tweeks wrote:
> On Saturday 21 November 2009 10:14:46 pm X-otic Computer Systems of San 
> Antonio wrote:
> [...]
>   
>> [1] As the traditional celebrations of several of those are prohibited
>> by campus regulations, we'll just have food, non-alcoholic libations,
>> avoid pyrotechnics, and keep our clothes on.
>>     
>
> So I guess bringing a birthday cake would be right out..
> Hmmm.. Isn't this part of why the Puritans left England? ;)
>
> Tweeks
>   
I believe that the puritans left England so that they could prohibit 
those forms of behaviour which they found offencsive.  In this light the 
prohibitions on alcohol and nakedness is a reflection of the highest in 
American ideals :-).

Todd
From lgj at usenix.org  Tue Nov 24 13:25:08 2009
From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones)
Date: Tue Nov 24 13:25:14 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] IPTPS '10 CFP
Message-ID: <8B460456-5475-46B0-A309-4C331CA22BA5@usenix.org>

On behalf of the 9th International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Systems
(IPTPS '10) program committee, we are inviting you to submit engaging
position papers on the current and future trends in peer-to-peer  
systems.

Co-located with NSDI '10 in San Jose, CA, this one-day workshop provides
a venue in which to present and discuss peer-to-peer technologies,
applications, and systems and to identify key research issues and
challenges that lie ahead.

This year, the workshop's charter will be expanded to include topics
relating to self-organizing and self-managing distributed systems. This
is in response to recent trends where self-organizing techniques
proposed in early peer-to-peer systems have found their way into more
managed settings such as datacenters, enterprises, and ISPs to help deal
with growing scale, complexity, and heterogeneity. In the context of
this year's workshop, peer-to-peer systems are defined to be large-scale
distributed systems that are mostly decentralized, are self-organizing,
and might or might not include resources from multiple administrative
domains.

Papers will be selected based on originality, likelihood of spawning
insightful discussion, and technical merit. The program will include
presentations of position papers along with plenty of time for lively
discussion among the participants, as well as a demo session for working
systems.

Topics of interest include but are not limited to:

* Network and system support for peer-to-peer systems
* Self-organizing and self-managing distributed systems
* Adaptive algorithms and architectures for large-scale distributed  
systems
* New applications and protocols for peer-to-peer systems
* Availability, robustness, performance, and scaling
* Security, privacy, anonymity, anti-censorship, and incentives
* Lessons drawn from experience with deployed peer-to-peer systems
* Measurement, modeling, and workload characterization

Complete paper submissions are due Friday, December 18, 2009, 11:59
p.m. EST.

For more details on the submission process, please see the complete
Call for Papers at:
http://www.usenix.org/iptps10/cfpa/

We look forward to receiving your submissions!

Michael J. Freedman, Princeton University
Arvind Krishnamurthy, University of Washington
IPTPS '10 Program Co-Chairs
iptps10chairs@usenix.org

---------------------------------
Call for Papers
9th International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Systems (IPTPS '10)
April 27, 2010
San Jose, CA
http://www.usenix.org/iptps10/cfpa/
Submissions Deadline: December 18, 2009, 11:59 p.m. EST
---------------------------------
From lgj at usenix.org  Tue Nov 24 13:43:33 2009
From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones)
Date: Tue Nov 24 13:43:34 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] IPTPS '10 CFP
Message-ID: <180AA74E-D3A5-457C-BBB3-8B35EC709412@usenix.org>

On behalf of the 9th International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Systems
(IPTPS '10) program committee, we are inviting you to submit engaging
position papers on the current and future trends in peer-to-peer  
systems.

Co-located with NSDI '10 in San Jose, CA, this one-day workshop provides
a venue in which to present and discuss peer-to-peer technologies,
applications, and systems and to identify key research issues and
challenges that lie ahead.

This year, the workshop's charter will be expanded to include topics
relating to self-organizing and self-managing distributed systems. This
is in response to recent trends where self-organizing techniques
proposed in early peer-to-peer systems have found their way into more
managed settings such as datacenters, enterprises, and ISPs to help deal
with growing scale, complexity, and heterogeneity. In the context of
this year's workshop, peer-to-peer systems are defined to be large-scale
distributed systems that are mostly decentralized, are self-organizing,
and might or might not include resources from multiple administrative
domains.

Papers will be selected based on originality, likelihood of spawning
insightful discussion, and technical merit. The program will include
presentations of position papers along with plenty of time for lively
discussion among the participants, as well as a demo session for working
systems.

Topics of interest include but are not limited to:

* Network and system support for peer-to-peer systems
* Self-organizing and self-managing distributed systems
* Adaptive algorithms and architectures for large-scale distributed  
systems
* New applications and protocols for peer-to-peer systems
* Availability, robustness, performance, and scaling
* Security, privacy, anonymity, anti-censorship, and incentives
* Lessons drawn from experience with deployed peer-to-peer systems
* Measurement, modeling, and workload characterization

Complete paper submissions are due Friday, December 18, 2009, 11:59
p.m. EST.

For more details on the submission process, please see the complete
Call for Papers at:
http://www.usenix.org/iptps10/cfpa/

We look forward to receiving your submissions!

Michael J. Freedman, Princeton University
Arvind Krishnamurthy, University of Washington
IPTPS '10 Program Co-Chairs
iptps10chairs@usenix.org

---------------------------------
Call for Papers
9th International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Systems (IPTPS '10)
April 27, 2010
San Jose, CA
http://www.usenix.org/iptps10/cfpa/
Submissions Deadline: December 18, 2009, 11:59 p.m. EST
---------------------------------
From ftm at satx.rr.com  Thu Nov 26 03:16:16 2009
From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Doug)
Date: Thu Nov 26 03:18:22 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Holiday
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911180811450.17545@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us><4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net><7c63fb3d0911170815k1ae6a1fbjc90777c8d829a526@mail.gmail.com><e320f35d0911171427g658984dam2ed916218dcce9df@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0911180811450.17545@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
Message-ID: <EA8D1060C1B64BDAA4E1B5EE57CE8345@Control>

Happy Thanksgiving to all.    Without you my knowledge of Linux would be limited to being able to spell it.

Doug
http://www.whitedoghosting.com
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 08:02:28 2009
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Thu Nov 26 08:02:50 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Holiday
In-Reply-To: <EA8D1060C1B64BDAA4E1B5EE57CE8345@Control>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us> 
	<4B02CBAD.9010403@grandecom.net>
	<7c63fb3d0911170815k1ae6a1fbjc90777c8d829a526@mail.gmail.com> 
	<e320f35d0911171427g658984dam2ed916218dcce9df@mail.gmail.com> 
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0911180811450.17545@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us> 
	<EA8D1060C1B64BDAA4E1B5EE57CE8345@Control>
Message-ID: <7e4994a70911260602i4d2846b2ob65e8ac6b895842b@mail.gmail.com>

Yes Happy Thanksgiving to all of you!

I have many things I am thankful for and many involbe the kindness of
members of this group!
v

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Doug <ftm@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving to all. ? ?Without you my knowledge of Linux would be limited to being able to spell it.
>
> Doug
> http://www.whitedoghosting.com
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When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June
2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 13:46:13 2009
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Thu Nov 26 13:46:24 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Holiday
In-Reply-To: <EA8D1060C1B64BDAA4E1B5EE57CE8345@Control>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911170911460.14435@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0911180811450.17545@dorado.port-aransas.k12.tx.us>
	<EA8D1060C1B64BDAA4E1B5EE57CE8345@Control>
Message-ID: <200911261346.13149.jdchoate@gmail.com>

On Thursday 26 November 2009 03:16:16 Doug wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving to all.    Without you my knowledge of Linux would be limited to being able to spell it.
> 
> Doug
> http://www.whitedoghosting.com
> 
Happy Thanksgiving all.
Don't eat too much turkey or you may end up passing out while typing 'rm -rf ' and who knows what will follow when your head hits the keyboard.

John C.
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Fri Nov 27 09:15:06 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Fri Nov 27 09:15:14 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Help with ssh
Message-ID: <4B0FECFA.5040902@grandecom.net>

I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving

Latter on this evening I am going to help my father set up ubuntu on his 
machine.  He already has it installed with openssh.  I am going to be 
giving him a couple of lessons via skype and ssh.  my problem is that I 
need him to see what I am typing into ssh.  How would one set up ssh to 
output my input to his terminal so that he can see everything I am dong 
to his machine via ssh?

thanks
Todd
From jm at allensonthe.net  Fri Nov 27 09:21:46 2009
From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen)
Date: Fri Nov 27 09:27:21 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Help with ssh
In-Reply-To: <4B0FECFA.5040902@grandecom.net>
References: <4B0FECFA.5040902@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <f9562c2e0911270721r4ea19380r670ea48e9b39b1d6@mail.gmail.com>

You type in your terminal (logged in as him)

Screen -S tutorial

And he types in his terminal

Screen -x

JM


On 11/27/2009, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:
> I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving
>
> Latter on this evening I am going to help my father set up ubuntu on his
> machine.  He already has it installed with openssh.  I am going to be
> giving him a couple of lessons via skype and ssh.  my problem is that I
> need him to see what I am typing into ssh.  How would one set up ssh to
> output my input to his terminal so that he can see everything I am dong
> to his machine via ssh?
>
> thanks
> Todd
> --
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> SATLUG@satlug.org
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>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

JM

/* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't
been much of a day.
-- John A. Wheeler */
From satlug at net153.net  Fri Nov 27 10:50:08 2009
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Fri Nov 27 10:50:12 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Help with ssh
In-Reply-To: <4B0FECFA.5040902@grandecom.net>
References: <4B0FECFA.5040902@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <4B100340.6020704@net153.net>

Todd W. Bucy wrote:
> I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving
> 
> Latter on this evening I am going to help my father set up ubuntu on his 
> machine.  He already has it installed with openssh.  I am going to be 
> giving him a couple of lessons via skype and ssh.  my problem is that I 
> need him to see what I am typing into ssh.  How would one set up ssh to 
> output my input to his terminal so that he can see everything I am dong 
> to his machine via ssh?
> 
> thanks
> Todd

Yes you would use "screen"
Some info:
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-screen-command-howto.html
http://tipotheday.com/2008/01/23/screen-sharing-cli-style/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaZo1nUfPeE
http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/56443

To make it easier you will both need to be on a terminal as the same 
user.  To make screen look better, here attached is my .screenrc file. 
Just copy to your home directory
-------------- next part --------------
source /etc/screenrc
caption always "%{Yk} %H %0c:%s %{k}|%{G} %l %{k}|%{W} %-w%{+u}%n %t%{-u}%+w"
defscrollback 10000
vbell off
deflogin on
defautonuke off
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Fri Nov 27 12:01:54 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Fri Nov 27 12:01:56 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Help with ssh
In-Reply-To: <f9562c2e0911270721r4ea19380r670ea48e9b39b1d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B0FECFA.5040902@grandecom.net>
	<f9562c2e0911270721r4ea19380r670ea48e9b39b1d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B101412.2090207@grandecom.net>

thanks

Todd

Jon Mark Allen wrote:
> You type in your terminal (logged in as him)
>
> Screen -S tutorial
>
> And he types in his terminal
>
> Screen -x
>
> JM
>
>
> On 11/27/2009, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:
>   
>> I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving
>>
>> Latter on this evening I am going to help my father set up ubuntu on his
>> machine.  He already has it installed with openssh.  I am going to be
>> giving him a couple of lessons via skype and ssh.  my problem is that I
>> need him to see what I am typing into ssh.  How would one set up ssh to
>> output my input to his terminal so that he can see everything I am dong
>> to his machine via ssh?
>>
>> thanks
>> Todd
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> SATLUG mailing list
>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe
>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>>
>>     
>
>   

From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 27 13:57:57 2009
From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (Typing on an upside-down keyboard.)
Date: Fri Nov 27 13:58:03 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Help with ssh
In-Reply-To: <4B101412.2090207@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <949463.35678.qm@web113506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Something I've often wondered, yet obviously not enough to do a web search for, is who's resources (ram and cpu) are you using when running a ssh session. I've also wondered this about about vnc sessions but I don't want to push it. ;)



      
From rsuberg at satx.rr.com  Fri Nov 27 14:13:07 2009
From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com)
Date: Fri Nov 27 14:13:12 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Help with ssh
In-Reply-To: <949463.35678.qm@web113506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091127201307.VNC16.121501.root@cdptpa-web07-z02>

As I understand this, these protocols are using the server resources.  Your machine (client) merely becomes a dumb terminal able to understand things like what letter to show (ssh) and how to draw on the screen (vnc) but has no idea what it means or why to display that info.

Unless you are doing x11 forwarding thru ssh, then the client does have a little more intelligence on how to write on the screen, but still is told by the server what to display.

Richard S
---- "Typing on an upside-down keyboard." <ovalvw57@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Something I've often wondered, yet obviously not enough to do a web search for, is who's resources (ram and cpu) are you using when running a ssh session. I've also wondered this about about vnc sessions but I don't want to push it. ;)
> 
> 
> 
>       
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From rsuberg at satx.rr.com  Fri Nov 27 14:20:05 2009
From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com)
Date: Fri Nov 27 14:20:07 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Help with ssh
Message-ID: <20091127202005.HAGJC.121547.root@cdptpa-web07-z02>

As I understand this, these protocols are using the server resources.  Your machine (client) merely becomes a dumb terminal able to understand things like what letter to show (ssh) and how to draw on the screen (vnc) but has no idea what it means or why to display that info.

Unless you are doing x11 forwarding thru ssh, then the client does have a little more intelligence on how to write on the screen, but still is told by the server what to display.

Richard S
---- "Typing on an upside-down keyboard." <ovalvw57@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Something I've often wondered, yet obviously not enough to do a web search for, is who's resources (ram and cpu) are you using when running a ssh session. I've also wondered this about about vnc sessions but I don't want to push it. ;)
> 
> 
> 
>       
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From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 27 19:35:25 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Fri Nov 27 19:35:27 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Help with ssh
In-Reply-To: <4B100340.6020704@net153.net>
References: <4B0FECFA.5040902@grandecom.net> <4B100340.6020704@net153.net>
Message-ID: <tvu0h5lmurh4ejnn8k91ppn350jou03jq6@4ax.com>

Samuel Leon wrote:

>source /etc/screenrc
>caption always "%{Yk} %H %0c:%s %{k}|%{G} %l %{k}|%{W} %-w%{+u}%n %t%{-u}%+w"
>defscrollback 10000
>vbell off
>deflogin on
>defautonuke off


Thanks for that; I had been too lazy to look up the procedure for
myself. As long as I was changing .<foo>rc, I fixed the line wrap
default in my usual editor.  --Don

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From jmashl at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 13:24:25 2009
From: jmashl at gmail.com (john mashl)
Date: Sun Nov 29 13:24:30 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] just in time for Christmas
Message-ID: <c94b32a0911291124h1c11f248wf95f62df72411620@mail.gmail.com>

for that holiday cheer....

http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article.php?id=214
From morfic at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 13:31:55 2009
From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller)
Date: Sun Nov 29 13:31:58 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Affordable raid1 enclosure, maybe nas
Message-ID: <13bb8ce10911291131o6a2d7c4ax5f4420461990d6eb@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know of an affordable 2bay raid 1 enclosures with sata internally and
usb (now) and esata (later) externally.
Possibly a gigE nas that plays well with linux?

Thanks,

Daniel

I didn't put budget on purpose. More interested to find the "deeper Google
results"
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Sun Nov 29 16:40:07 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Sun Nov 29 16:40:09 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] just in time for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <c94b32a0911291124h1c11f248wf95f62df72411620@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c94b32a0911291124h1c11f248wf95f62df72411620@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B12F847.6080404@grandecom.net>

john mashl wrote:
> for that holiday cheer....
>
> http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article.php?id=214
>   
Ohh yeah this is on my Christmas list

Todd
From adlabens at swbell.net  Sun Nov 29 19:56:33 2009
From: adlabens at swbell.net (David Labens)
Date: Sun Nov 29 19:56:39 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] UPS auto-shutdown of Ubuntu 8.1 Server
Message-ID: <761436.76254.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I went back & searched thru my 3200 archived emails and can't find the one with the answer...

I've got an APC "Back-UPS RS 800" battery backup and want it to primarily protect our Ubuntu 8.10 Server box (home environment).? Of course, plugging the server power cord into the Back-UPS is no problem.? But, I want the UPS to shut down the server if power goes out.? So, I have the following questions:

What other physical connections do I need (USB, Ethernet, Serial, Parallel)?

What monitoring software does the best job of monitoring and shutting down the server?

Can it be configured to send me an email just before shutting down the server?

THANK YOU!!!

David Labens

San Antonio, TX

From adlabens at swbell.net  Sun Nov 29 21:27:14 2009
From: adlabens at swbell.net (David Labens)
Date: Sun Nov 29 21:27:15 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] UPS auto-shutdown of Ubuntu 8.1 Server
In-Reply-To: <761436.76254.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <382675.29491.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have answered the first question - There is an RJ-45 on the back of the UPS that is supposed to connect to a USB port on the server.? I've got the bag full of cables here, somewhere, and it's in there.? I just have to find it.

Still searching for software suggestions, what apt-get to install.

Thanks,
David

David Labens

San Antonio, TX

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, David Labens <adlabens@swbell.net> wrote:

From: David Labens <adlabens@swbell.net>
Subject: [SATLUG] UPS auto-shutdown of Ubuntu 8.1 Server
To: "San Antonio Linux Users Group" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 7:56 PM

I went back & searched thru my 3200 archived emails and can't find the one with the answer...

I've got an APC "Back-UPS RS 800" battery backup and want it to primarily protect our Ubuntu 8.10 Server box (home environment).? Of course, plugging the server power cord into the Back-UPS is no problem.? But, I want the UPS to shut down the server if power goes out.? So, I have the following questions:

What other physical connections do I need (USB, Ethernet, Serial, Parallel)?

What monitoring software does the best job of monitoring and shutting down the server?

Can it be configured to send me an email just before shutting down the server?

THANK YOU!!!

David Labens

San Antonio, TX

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From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 29 21:43:57 2009
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov 29 21:43:58 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] UPS auto-shutdown of Ubuntu 8.1 Server
In-Reply-To: <761436.76254.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <761436.76254.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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David Labens wrote:

>I've got an APC "Back-UPS RS 800" battery backup <...>
>What other physical connections do I need (USB, Ethernet, Serial, Parallel)?
The UPS should have come with a monitor cable. A quick look at the APC
website shows it as an RJ-45 to USB cable. If you do not have it you can
order one from APC.

Once you have the correct cable, if it is USB it should be automatically
detected when you connect it. Use 'lsusb' to verify. 

>What monitoring software does the best job of monitoring and shutting down the server?
>Can it be configured to send me an email just before shutting down the server?
Look at www.apcupsd.com or www.networkupstools.org. The package in
Debian (and thus Ubuntu) is reasonably up-to-date right now.

Next time you should also check TLDP (www.tldp.org) to find "The UPS
HOWTO".

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From adlabens at swbell.net  Sun Nov 29 21:53:58 2009
From: adlabens at swbell.net (David Labens)
Date: Sun Nov 29 21:54:00 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] UPS auto-shutdown of Ubuntu 8.1 Server
In-Reply-To: <mhc6h59kn0tkprsoobe1c0uvtdsh3vfkae@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <434447.35415.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Don.? I'm reading up on it now, following your links & comparing notes.? I appreciate the response.? Thank you.

David Labens

San Antonio, TX

--- On Sun, 11/29/09, Don Wright <satlug@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Don Wright <satlug@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] UPS auto-shutdown of Ubuntu 8.1 Server
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:43 PM

David Labens wrote:

>I've got an APC "Back-UPS RS 800" battery backup <...>
>What other physical connections do I need (USB, Ethernet, Serial, Parallel)?
The UPS should have come with a monitor cable. A quick look at the APC
website shows it as an RJ-45 to USB cable. If you do not have it you can
order one from APC.

Once you have the correct cable, if it is USB it should be automatically
detected when you connect it. Use 'lsusb' to verify. 

>What monitoring software does the best job of monitoring and shutting down the server?
>Can it be configured to send me an email just before shutting down the server?
Look at www.apcupsd.com or www.networkupstools.org. The package in
Debian (and thus Ubuntu) is reasonably up-to-date right now.

Next time you should also check TLDP (www.tldp.org) to find "The UPS
HOWTO".

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From j at jvpappas.net  Mon Nov 30 15:25:22 2009
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Mon Nov 30 15:25:24 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Affordable raid1 enclosure, maybe nas
In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce10911291131o6a2d7c4ax5f4420461990d6eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bb8ce10911291131o6a2d7c4ax5f4420461990d6eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450911301325g714df94cnf0f63f6e76dab082@mail.gmail.com>

Define affordable, but it seems that you want the RAID to be done in the box
(rather than the host) which would require the RAID logic to be built into
the enclosure, and then one host port (USB or eSATA).

There is the drobo which many like, as well as single USB/eSATA enclosures.
I have used Promise in the past, but the non-windows driver type enclosures
tend to be more $$ (that addition of a USB/eSATA RAID card raises the cost).

The GigE connected NAS option is likely to cost the same, and provide more
features.  I am currently shopping that market as well, and like the IOmega
(EMC) ix series as well as the Synology DS series (Liking the DS409+).  They
both provide NFS and CIFS/SAMBA, as well as the ability to add others
(iscsi, rsync, ftp, scp) and both run embedded Linux.  The iomega is
purchased with drives, and the synology/drobo are BYO Disks.

As the NAS boxes only require ~45W and does not require the "host system"
(@~+125W) to be running for clients to access the data.

HTH,
John

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 13:31, Daniel Goller <morfic@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone know of an affordable 2bay raid 1 enclosures with sata internally
> and
> usb (now) and esata (later) externally.
> Possibly a gigE nas that plays well with linux?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
>
> I didn't put budget on purpose. More interested to find the "deeper Google
> results"
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From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 17:00:18 2009
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Mon Nov 30 17:00:22 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Affordable raid1 enclosure, maybe nas
In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450911301325g714df94cnf0f63f6e76dab082@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bb8ce10911291131o6a2d7c4ax5f4420461990d6eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c0ec4450911301325g714df94cnf0f63f6e76dab082@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B144E82.9050805@gmail.com>

John Pappas wrote:
> Define affordable, but it seems that you want the RAID to be done in the box
> (rather than the host) which would require the RAID logic to be built into
> the enclosure, and then one host port (USB or eSATA).
> 
> There is the drobo which many like, as well as single USB/eSATA enclosures.
> I have used Promise in the past, but the non-windows driver type enclosures
> tend to be more $$ (that addition of a USB/eSATA RAID card raises the cost).
> 
> The GigE connected NAS option is likely to cost the same, and provide more
> features.  I am currently shopping that market as well, and like the IOmega
> (EMC) ix series as well as the Synology DS series (Liking the DS409+).  They
> both provide NFS and CIFS/SAMBA, as well as the ability to add others
> (iscsi, rsync, ftp, scp) and both run embedded Linux.  The iomega is
> purchased with drives, and the synology/drobo are BYO Disks.
> 
> As the NAS boxes only require ~45W and does not require the "host system"
> (@~+125W) to be running for clients to access the data.

For RAID, I have always recommended a HW solution even though it costs 
more.  The cost of the HW is not really significant compared to the 
value of the data.  SW RAID does work, but depends too much on the skill 
of the administrator.

As John says, a NAS is an excellent solution because it removes the 
dependence on a separate system and makes it easy for multiple systems 
to access the data.

I can't comment about the devices John mentions because I don't have any 
personal experience with them, but they sound like a good starting point.

   -- Bruce
From morfic at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 18:46:51 2009
From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller)
Date: Mon Nov 30 18:46:54 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Affordable raid1 enclosure, maybe nas
In-Reply-To: <4B144E82.9050805@gmail.com>
References: <13bb8ce10911291131o6a2d7c4ax5f4420461990d6eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c0ec4450911301325g714df94cnf0f63f6e76dab082@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B144E82.9050805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13bb8ce10911301646k4e7418e4ga9c30312a2beff40@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the replies.

I started using a wave with a friend to spitball this 2009 style, and after
considering quite the many NAS took a step back and revisited what i
actually wanted.

I have a sheeva plug running with 2 WD usb drives in raid1, it does what i
want it to do httpd/nfsd mainly.
On (re)building of the raid and on write access to the raid i saturate the
usb, cpu pegs and write ties are below 100mbps network speeds.
Read speeds saturate my current 100mbps connection.

My initial idea was to move the raid1 off the sheeva cpu, and thus i looked
at raid1 usb enclosures (internal logic, exposed as a single/simple drive to
the OS it connects to).

My *hope* is if it can reach adequate esata speeds, the raid1 will be
capable of saturating the usb in both reads and writes.

The NAS cam in when i looked at various scenarios of single drive/dual drive
configurations where redundancy varied from raid1 to nightly rsync over gigE
from sheeva to NAS (basically NASx2 that way).

I figured having full access to the sheeva and doing on it as i please i
would not be able to accept the NAS device for long.

So i went for what started my quest, a raid 1 usb2/esata enclosure.

Vantec-NST-400MX-SR<http://www.amazon.com/Vantec-NST-400MX-SR-3-5-Inch-External-Enclosure/dp/B001BYJFBY/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1259628061&sr=8-13>
will
be arriving tomorrow evening.

I realized while trying to find a solution to create a redundant storage
solution, i really created one that made the cpu/os not really redundant but
duplicate.

I am keeping the storage redundant, and am future ready, should i upgrade to
gigE on the desktop any time soon, it would then allow me to upgrade the
sheeva to a openrd-base client, and connect the same enclosure up to it via
esata.

I think i achieved moving the cpuload on writes off the sheeva, while
keeping my setup as simple (and most importantly working as i want it) as it
is now.

If anyone is interested, i can post my impressions about this enclosure once
i am done setting it up.

Thanks,

Daniel

Yes, my hurry to purchase typically outpaces the list's replies, but i
always hope for either more patience on my part or a reply before i click
that "Checkout" button ;)



On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs@gmail.com> wrote:

> John Pappas wrote:
>
>> Define affordable, but it seems that you want the RAID to be done in the
>> box
>> (rather than the host) which would require the RAID logic to be built into
>> the enclosure, and then one host port (USB or eSATA).
>>
>> There is the drobo which many like, as well as single USB/eSATA
>> enclosures.
>> I have used Promise in the past, but the non-windows driver type
>> enclosures
>> tend to be more $$ (that addition of a USB/eSATA RAID card raises the
>> cost).
>>
>> The GigE connected NAS option is likely to cost the same, and provide more
>> features.  I am currently shopping that market as well, and like the
>> IOmega
>> (EMC) ix series as well as the Synology DS series (Liking the DS409+).
>>  They
>> both provide NFS and CIFS/SAMBA, as well as the ability to add others
>> (iscsi, rsync, ftp, scp) and both run embedded Linux.  The iomega is
>> purchased with drives, and the synology/drobo are BYO Disks.
>>
>> As the NAS boxes only require ~45W and does not require the "host system"
>> (@~+125W) to be running for clients to access the data.
>>
>
> For RAID, I have always recommended a HW solution even though it costs
> more.  The cost of the HW is not really significant compared to the value of
> the data.  SW RAID does work, but depends too much on the skill of the
> administrator.
>
> As John says, a NAS is an excellent solution because it removes the
> dependence on a separate system and makes it easy for multiple systems to
> access the data.
>
> I can't comment about the devices John mentions because I don't have any
> personal experience with them, but they sound like a good starting point.
>
>  -- Bruce
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From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Mon Nov 30 19:06:49 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Mon Nov 30 19:06:52 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Affordable raid1 enclosure, maybe nas
In-Reply-To: <4B144E82.9050805@gmail.com>
References: <13bb8ce10911291131o6a2d7c4ax5f4420461990d6eb@mail.gmail.com>	<4c0ec4450911301325g714df94cnf0f63f6e76dab082@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B144E82.9050805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B146C29.6010606@grandecom.net>

Bruce Dubbs wrote:
> John Pappas wrote:
>> Define affordable, but it seems that you want the RAID to be done in 
>> the box
>> (rather than the host) which would require the RAID logic to be built 
>> into
>> the enclosure, and then one host port (USB or eSATA).
>>
>> There is the drobo which many like, as well as single USB/eSATA 
>> enclosures.
>> I have used Promise in the past, but the non-windows driver type 
>> enclosures
>> tend to be more $$ (that addition of a USB/eSATA RAID card raises the 
>> cost).
>>
>> The GigE connected NAS option is likely to cost the same, and provide 
>> more
>> features.  I am currently shopping that market as well, and like the 
>> IOmega
>> (EMC) ix series as well as the Synology DS series (Liking the 
>> DS409+).  They
>> both provide NFS and CIFS/SAMBA, as well as the ability to add others
>> (iscsi, rsync, ftp, scp) and both run embedded Linux.  The iomega is
>> purchased with drives, and the synology/drobo are BYO Disks.
>>
>> As the NAS boxes only require ~45W and does not require the "host 
>> system"
>> (@~+125W) to be running for clients to access the data.
>
> For RAID, I have always recommended a HW solution even though it costs 
> more.  The cost of the HW is not really significant compared to the 
> value of the data.  SW RAID does work, but depends too much on the 
> skill of the administrator.
>
> As John says, a NAS is an excellent solution because it removes the 
> dependence on a separate system and makes it easy for multiple systems 
> to access the data.
>
> I can't comment about the devices John mentions because I don't have 
> any personal experience with them, but they sound like a good starting 
> point.
>
>   -- Bruce

not to mention that if you look around on ebay you can find the perc5i 
for around $100 dollars.  I like it on my system as it will let me 
expand to a RAID 50 with 8 drives.

Todd
From morfic at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 19:18:47 2009
From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller)
Date: Mon Nov 30 19:18:50 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Affordable raid1 enclosure, maybe nas
In-Reply-To: <4B146C29.6010606@grandecom.net>
References: <13bb8ce10911291131o6a2d7c4ax5f4420461990d6eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4c0ec4450911301325g714df94cnf0f63f6e76dab082@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B144E82.9050805@gmail.com> <4B146C29.6010606@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <13bb8ce10911301718wfae4410oa312b863c586cb@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, but Perc5/i as in a card for a larger machine that has to be powered
at all times?
That's a little far from an usb/esata enclosure or NAS, no?
Or is there a device called perc5/i (and i can't find googling) that would
qualify? :)

Daniel

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net>wrote:

> Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>
>> John Pappas wrote:
>>
>>> Define affordable, but it seems that you want the RAID to be done in the
>>> box
>>> (rather than the host) which would require the RAID logic to be built
>>> into
>>> the enclosure, and then one host port (USB or eSATA).
>>>
>>> There is the drobo which many like, as well as single USB/eSATA
>>> enclosures.
>>> I have used Promise in the past, but the non-windows driver type
>>> enclosures
>>> tend to be more $$ (that addition of a USB/eSATA RAID card raises the
>>> cost).
>>>
>>> The GigE connected NAS option is likely to cost the same, and provide
>>> more
>>> features.  I am currently shopping that market as well, and like the
>>> IOmega
>>> (EMC) ix series as well as the Synology DS series (Liking the DS409+).
>>>  They
>>> both provide NFS and CIFS/SAMBA, as well as the ability to add others
>>> (iscsi, rsync, ftp, scp) and both run embedded Linux.  The iomega is
>>> purchased with drives, and the synology/drobo are BYO Disks.
>>>
>>> As the NAS boxes only require ~45W and does not require the "host system"
>>> (@~+125W) to be running for clients to access the data.
>>>
>>
>> For RAID, I have always recommended a HW solution even though it costs
>> more.  The cost of the HW is not really significant compared to the value of
>> the data.  SW RAID does work, but depends too much on the skill of the
>> administrator.
>>
>> As John says, a NAS is an excellent solution because it removes the
>> dependence on a separate system and makes it easy for multiple systems to
>> access the data.
>>
>> I can't comment about the devices John mentions because I don't have any
>> personal experience with them, but they sound like a good starting point.
>>
>>  -- Bruce
>>
>
> not to mention that if you look around on ebay you can find the perc5i for
> around $100 dollars.  I like it on my system as it will let me expand to a
> RAID 50 with 8 drives.
>
> Todd
>
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From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Mon Nov 30 20:11:02 2009
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy)
Date: Mon Nov 30 20:11:08 2009
Subject: [SATLUG] Affordable raid1 enclosure, maybe nas
In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce10911301718wfae4410oa312b863c586cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bb8ce10911291131o6a2d7c4ax5f4420461990d6eb@mail.gmail.com>	<4c0ec4450911301325g714df94cnf0f63f6e76dab082@mail.gmail.com>	<4B144E82.9050805@gmail.com>
	<4B146C29.6010606@grandecom.net>
	<13bb8ce10911301718wfae4410oa312b863c586cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B147B36.5090407@grandecom.net>

no your right its an internal pci-e, if you consider what a drobo 
(usually only 4 bay) not including drives will cost to installing a 
perc5i to an existing box I think you will find that the upfront costs 
favor the perc5/i.  true though you do have a system with the 
appropriate drive bays (at least 6 for a raid50) available.

Todd

Daniel Goller wrote:
> Thanks, but Perc5/i as in a card for a larger machine that has to be powered
> at all times?
> That's a little far from an usb/esata enclosure or NAS, no?
> Or is there a device called perc5/i (and i can't find googling) that would
> qualify? :)
>
> Daniel
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net>wrote:
>
>   
>> Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> John Pappas wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Define affordable, but it seems that you want the RAID to be done in the
>>>> box
>>>> (rather than the host) which would require the RAID logic to be built
>>>> into
>>>> the enclosure, and then one host port (USB or eSATA).
>>>>
>>>> There is the drobo which many like, as well as single USB/eSATA
>>>> enclosures.
>>>> I have used Promise in the past, but the non-windows driver type
>>>> enclosures
>>>> tend to be more $$ (that addition of a USB/eSATA RAID card raises the
>>>> cost).
>>>>
>>>> The GigE connected NAS option is likely to cost the same, and provide
>>>> more
>>>> features.  I am currently shopping that market as well, and like the
>>>> IOmega
>>>> (EMC) ix series as well as the Synology DS series (Liking the DS409+).
>>>>  They
>>>> both provide NFS and CIFS/SAMBA, as well as the ability to add others
>>>> (iscsi, rsync, ftp, scp) and both run embedded Linux.  The iomega is
>>>> purchased with drives, and the synology/drobo are BYO Disks.
>>>>
>>>> As the NAS boxes only require ~45W and does not require the "host system"
>>>> (@~+125W) to be running for clients to access the data.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> For RAID, I have always recommended a HW solution even though it costs
>>> more.  The cost of the HW is not really significant compared to the value of
>>> the data.  SW RAID does work, but depends too much on the skill of the
>>> administrator.
>>>
>>> As John says, a NAS is an excellent solution because it removes the
>>> dependence on a separate system and makes it easy for multiple systems to
>>> access the data.
>>>
>>> I can't comment about the devices John mentions because I don't have any
>>> personal experience with them, but they sound like a good starting point.
>>>
>>>  -- Bruce
>>>
>>>       
>> not to mention that if you look around on ebay you can find the perc5i for
>> around $100 dollars.  I like it on my system as it will let me expand to a
>> RAID 50 with 8 drives.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> --
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