From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 1 12:17:20 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Mar 1 12:17:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AAD130.7070402@satx.rr.com> I know others on the list are giving you recommendations on MB, CPU, Video, & HD options, but you mention something that I feel compelled to respond to. You talk about running your case with one side off to help keep it cooler -- in my experience, that can often have the opposite effect. The case fans are supposed to be designed to draw air through the case across _all_ components that need to be cooled, not just the CPU, etc. With the side off, only components with their own cooling fans (like the CPU, some video cards, some audio cards, the power supply, etc.) will get cooled, and the other MB chips, add-on cards, etc., will not get the cooling they need. If you need more cooling, I think you might be better served to add additional cooling fans in the case and to keep the case closed. If your case lacks places to add more fans, there are other aftermarket cooling accessories you can use to help keep certain components cool, such as a replacement for a blank faceplate where the HD sits that has a couple of small fans to direct air right on to the HD's themselves. Al Lesmerises Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I only do emails. surfing (research), some text docs, unloading cam and > editing pics streaming cable and other TV shows... > > No gaming, or high powered stuff like most of you do. I want a good > reliable MB, video card, sound card with dolby and enough memory and > processor speed to do it all.. > > My current system is old but good, just too slow for me and the streaming is > being affected.. I thought I might enjoy a "project"...I have good quality > stuff on my PC, just time to update and upgrade...btw I love my own ATX case > too! I have way more than enough room to work in it with my hands without > them getting all chewed up by the metal. I run it with a side off to help > keep it cooler inside...thank you all very much...I'm just a simple computer > person and run Hardy...cheryl > From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 12:52:47 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Mar 1 12:52:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <49AAD130.7070402@satx.rr.com> References: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> <49AAD130.7070402@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200903011252.48250.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 01 March 2009 12:17:20 Alan Lesmerises wrote: > You talk about running your case with one side off to help keep it > cooler -- in my experience, that can often have the opposite effect. ? > The case fans are supposed to be designed to draw air through the case > across _all_ components that need to be cooled, not just the CPU, etc. ? > With the side off, only components with their own cooling fans (like the > CPU, some video cards, some audio cards, the power supply, etc.) will > get cooled, and the other MB chips, add-on cards, etc., will not get the > cooling they need. ?If you need more cooling, I think you might be > better served to add additional cooling fans in the case and to keep the > case closed. > > If your case lacks places to add more fans, there are other aftermarket > cooling accessories you can use to help keep certain components cool, > such as a replacement for a blank faceplate where the HD sits that has a > couple of small fans to direct air right on to the HD's themselves. > > Al Lesmerises I was going to say exactly all of that :) So, I second that. John Choate From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 1 17:03:08 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Sun Mar 1 17:03:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 Message-ID: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, and getting regular video resolution. I've downloaded 71.86.06 NVidia drivers but when I try to install, I get a message:No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interface for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)? I tell it to, but it can't find them. It says it wants to compile new files, I say yes, then it fails with: ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com. I find nothing that is helpful for this old of a card, and am at a loss of where to go next. I did download a different driver, but it turned out to be a 64bit, and this proc isn't. Any suggestions? I'm switching from using win2k on an old pc to actually using it with ubuntu, instead of just using linux as a tool to fix broken winxp machines for the office. Please, Richard From jtiner at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 1 17:59:01 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Sun Mar 1 17:58:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 In-Reply-To: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> References: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> Message-ID: <1235951941.5571.9.camel@james-desktop> well, you probably need to have the build essentials and kernel header packages installed before it will compile. it should have installed the open source 'nv' drivers which would be sufficient for most situations. If I remember correctly, there is a compatibility issue with the xorg in 8.10 and the proprietary legacy drivers. one solution would be to use 8.04 (that is what I use and it is LTS so you'll have updates for a while still) and either install it yourself, or use envy to install or use the packages available for it. On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 23:03 +0000, rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, and getting regular video resolution. I've downloaded 71.86.06 NVidia drivers but when I try to install, I get a message:No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interface for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)? I tell it to, but it can't find them. It says it wants to compile new files, I say yes, then it fails with: > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > I find nothing that is helpful for this old of a card, and am at a loss of where to go next. I did download a different driver, but it turned out to be a 64bit, and this proc isn't. Any suggestions? > > I'm switching from using win2k on an old pc to actually using it with ubuntu, instead of just using linux as a tool to fix broken winxp machines for the office. > > Please, Richard > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jtiner at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 1 18:00:25 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Sun Mar 1 18:00:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 In-Reply-To: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> References: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> Message-ID: <1235952025.5571.11.camel@james-desktop> Also, I don't think I've ever seen a kernel module on their site. I wonder why they don't remove that option from their installer. From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 20:12:06 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Mar 1 20:12:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 In-Reply-To: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> References: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> Message-ID: <200903012012.07039.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 01 March 2009 17:03:08 rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, and getting regular video resolution. I've downloaded 71.86.06 NVidia drivers but when I try to install, I get a message:No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interface for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)? I tell it to, but it can't find them. It says it wants to compile new files, I say yes, then it fails with: > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > I find nothing that is helpful for this old of a card, and am at a loss of where to go next. I did download a different driver, but it turned out to be a 64bit, and this proc isn't. Any suggestions? > > I'm switching from using win2k on an old pc to actually using it with ubuntu, instead of just using linux as a tool to fix broken winxp machines for the office. > > Please, Richard The installation is failing because the package kernel-source needs to be installed before the nvidia module can be compiled. Try doing 'sudo apt-get install kernel-source' and then re-try the nvidia installer. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Mar 1 22:07:14 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Mar 1 22:07:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 In-Reply-To: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> References: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> Message-ID: <1235966834.12060.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I know that this isnt the hardcore way of doing things but you could check out a little prog called envy. http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html python script that automates the whole process. Todd On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 23:03 +0000, rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, and getting regular video resolution. I've downloaded 71.86.06 NVidia drivers but when I try to install, I get a message:No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interface for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)? I tell it to, but it can't find them. It says it wants to compile new files, I say yes, then it fails with: > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > I find nothing that is helpful for this old of a card, and am at a loss of where to go next. I did download a different driver, but it turned out to be a 64bit, and this proc isn't. Any suggestions? > > I'm switching from using win2k on an old pc to actually using it with ubuntu, instead of just using linux as a tool to fix broken winxp machines for the office. > > Please, Richard > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 1 22:24:38 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Sun Mar 1 22:24:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 In-Reply-To: <200903012012.07039.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090302042438.WBWUY.67951.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> Thanks for the suggestion. apt-get reports: E: Package kernel-source has no installation candidate ---- John D Choate wrote: > On Sunday 01 March 2009 17:03:08 rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > > I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, and getting regular video resolution. I've downloaded 71.86.06 NVidia drivers but when I try to install, I get a message:No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interface for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)? I tell it to, but it can't find them. It says it wants to compile new files, I say yes, then it fails with: > > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions > > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux > > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > > > I find nothing that is helpful for this old of a card, and am at a loss of where to go next. I did download a different driver, but it turned out to be a 64bit, and this proc isn't. Any suggestions? > > > > I'm switching from using win2k on an old pc to actually using it with ubuntu, instead of just using linux as a tool to fix broken winxp machines for the office. > > > > Please, Richard > > The installation is failing because the package kernel-source needs to be installed before the nvidia module can be compiled. > Try doing 'sudo apt-get install kernel-source' and then re-try the nvidia installer. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Mar 1 22:31:20 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Mar 1 22:31:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235968280.12060.27.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> my 2 cents On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 14:08 -0600, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I only do emails. surfing (research), some text docs, unloading cam and > editing pics streaming cable and other TV shows... I am assuming that you will be doing light video/photo editing so you should at the very least aim for a dual core of some sort. if you have the cash though a good quad core with mother board is your best bet. I prefer nvidia cuz they give the best driver support. I would put the bulk of you money here. a good motherboard will allow you to expand into the future so get one that offers 6 or more sata ports. > > No gaming, or high powered stuff like most of you do. I want a good > reliable MB, video card, sound card with dolby and enough memory and > processor speed to do it all.. on board dolby sound is pretty standard and 64 bit is a must 8 mb max is also standard. editing video is memory intensive so you will want the room to add to as you can afford. > > My current system is old but good, just too slow for me and the streaming is > being affected.. I thought I might enjoy a "project"...I have good quality > stuff on my PC, just time to update and upgrade...btw I love my own ATX case > too! think about a new case. rendering video can create a lot of heat and a properly ventilated system is a must. Heat is the cpu killer so a good heat sink (not the crap they give you with you chip) will help to extend the life of your investment. I use a gemini II http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/64872/ Its a big mutha so it may not suit your purposes. > I have way more than enough room to work in it with my hands without > them getting all chewed up by the metal. I run it with a side off to help > keep it cooler inside...thank you all very much...I'm just a simple computer > person and run Hardy...cheryl also dont give up on your old computer sounds like it would make a great home server for storing all of your media. might even make a reasonable mythbox. Todd From trunty at linuxismybff.com Sun Mar 1 22:42:00 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Sun Mar 1 22:42:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 In-Reply-To: <20090302042438.WBWUY.67951.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> References: <200903012012.07039.jdchoate@gmail.com> <20090302042438.WBWUY.67951.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> Message-ID: In ubuntu I believe the correct syntax would be 'apt-get install linux-headers-kernel version' You might try 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname-r` binutils build-essential'. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:24 PM, wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. apt-get reports: > > E: Package kernel-source has no installation candidate > > ---- John D Choate wrote: > > On Sunday 01 March 2009 17:03:08 rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > > > I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, and getting regular video resolution. > I've downloaded 71.86.06 NVidia drivers but when I try to install, I get a > message:No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; > would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interface for > your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)? I tell > it to, but it can't find them. It says it wants to compile new files, I say > yes, then it fails with: > > > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > > > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > > > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find > suggestions > > > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the > Linux > > > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > > > > > I find nothing that is helpful for this old of a card, and am at a loss > of where to go next. I did download a different driver, but it turned out > to be a 64bit, and this proc isn't. Any suggestions? > > > > > > I'm switching from using win2k on an old pc to actually using it with > ubuntu, instead of just using linux as a tool to fix broken winxp machines > for the office. > > > > > > Please, Richard > > > > The installation is failing because the package kernel-source needs to be > installed before the nvidia module can be compiled. > > Try doing 'sudo apt-get install kernel-source' and then re-try the nvidia > installer. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Mar 1 22:42:38 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Mar 1 22:42:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <1235968280.12060.27.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> <1235968280.12060.27.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1235968958.12060.37.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> oops sorry forgot to recommend a vid card. I prefer nvidia and your 3d needs are light go for a 7800 gtx if you can afford it a 8600. The newer Ubuntu releases have some real nice eye candy which may appeal to you. both of those card are relatively cheap you can find 7800 at around $60-$70 and the 8600 is under $100. the new standard in memory is ddr3 the boards are a bit on the pricy side but the price of ddr3 is dropping as quickly as ddr is now rising. Dont make the same mistake as I did I went for a ddr board when I should have gone for a ddr2 board. now ddr is more expensive then ddr2 and my server is limited to 4 gigs of ram. this is largely the reason why I suggest that you put the vast bulk of your money in the mother board. get the best one you can possible pay for and your investment will be able to keep up with the pace of technology. Todd From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 1 22:59:39 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Sun Mar 1 22:59:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 In-Reply-To: <1235966834.12060.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> <1235966834.12060.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: Said it was successful, but on reboot, in the log it said module nvidia.so failed to load, no screens found. But it was looking very promising. Richard -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Todd W. Bucy Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:07 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 I know that this isnt the hardcore way of doing things but you could check out a little prog called envy. http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html python script that automates the whole process. Todd On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 23:03 +0000, rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, and getting regular video resolution. I've downloaded 71.86.06 NVidia drivers but when I try to install, I get a message:No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interface for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)? I tell it to, but it can't find them. It says it wants to compile new files, I say yes, then it fails with: > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > I find nothing that is helpful for this old of a card, and am at a loss of where to go next. I did download a different driver, but it turned out to be a 64bit, and this proc isn't. Any suggestions? > > I'm switching from using win2k on an old pc to actually using it with ubuntu, instead of just using linux as a tool to fix broken winxp machines for the office. > > Please, Richard > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 From trunty at linuxismybff.com Sun Mar 1 23:03:45 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Sun Mar 1 23:03:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nvidia tnt2 riva64 In-Reply-To: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> References: <20090301230308.M1P4B.64135.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> Message-ID: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual Have you tried this? It looks promising. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:03 PM, wrote: > I just installed Ubuntu 8.10, and getting regular video resolution. I've > downloaded 71.86.06 NVidia drivers but when I try to install, I get a > message:No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; > would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interface for > your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)? I tell > it to, but it can't find them. It says it wants to compile new files, I say > yes, then it fails with: > ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module. > ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file > '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find > suggestions > on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux > driver download page at www.nvidia.com. > > I find nothing that is helpful for this old of a card, and am at a loss of > where to go next. I did download a different driver, but it turned out to > be a 64bit, and this proc isn't. Any suggestions? > > I'm switching from using win2k on an old pc to actually using it with > ubuntu, instead of just using linux as a tool to fix broken winxp machines > for the office. > > Please, Richard > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 23:12:51 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Mar 1 23:12:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] building my own box Message-ID: <7e4994a70903012112l594ee332q26def5d16d2a3cbd@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Borries but think I'd prefer sticking to AMD for a processor...running a Thunderbird @1400 currently...cheryl From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 23:16:21 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Mar 1 23:16:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] building a new box, Maria Message-ID: <7e4994a70903012116v6335872fqe786abe59f42966f@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for the link Maria...I like TigerDirect and will check it out...I want to research and settle on a MOBO and processor 1st and would like the MOBO to already have the processor installed...all this talk of thermal glue is scaring me...I'm afraid I might screw that part up...cheryl From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 23:21:29 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Mar 1 23:21:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] building a new box, Justin Message-ID: <7e4994a70903012121w3664dd76l2b47bfea9cbe8a1d@mail.gmail.com> Sorry guys, got way behind answering all of you from the Digest..I see I am even further behind than I thought! Anyway Justin, I'm not familiar with newer chips , processors, all that dual core, and quad core stuff..5600...I have no idea what all that means...oh and 64x2 either...I have been very happy with Nvidia tho. I have a feeling I am going to be learning all that stuff very soon tho :o)...cheryl From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 23:27:54 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Mar 1 23:27:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] building a new box, John Message-ID: <7e4994a70903012127k21d49cf7u829e1021e4877873@mail.gmail.com> Thank you too John...I learned about thinking several years out when I worked in the computer industry...it really saves a lot of trouble later down the road and makes a system usable for much longer..can do simple and easy..less expensive upgrades to it over the years too that way.. I like ASUS and need to check them out too... Now the hooking up the lights thing is really scaring me...I guess I can always take the project as far as I can on my own and mhave what I can't do or am afraid to do done by someone else..I mean pay to have it done the rest of the way if I need too... I want to settle on a processor and MOBO 1st and go from there....again Thank you and everyone for helping me out...cheryl Thank you again too Herb!... From trunty at linuxismybff.com Sun Mar 1 23:33:55 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Sun Mar 1 23:33:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] building a new box, John In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70903012127k21d49cf7u829e1021e4877873@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70903012127k21d49cf7u829e1021e4877873@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For the sake of trying to keep my inbox organized can I request that when replying to an existing thread you not change the subject? I realize that I'll probably be called lame and that gmail will probably be called lame for not threading appropriately but oh well... Thank you. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Thank you too John...I learned about thinking several years out when I > worked in the computer industry...it really saves a lot of trouble later > down the road and makes a system usable for much longer..can do simple and > easy..less expensive upgrades to it over the years too that way.. > > I like ASUS and need to check them out too... > > Now the hooking up the lights thing is really scaring me...I guess I can > always take the project as far as I can on my own and mhave what I can't do > or am afraid to do done by someone else..I mean pay to have it done the > rest > of the way if I need too... > > I want to settle on a processor and MOBO 1st and go from there....again > > Thank you and everyone for helping me out...cheryl > > Thank you again too Herb!... > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 08:54:07 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Mar 2 08:54:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] building a new box, John In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70903012127k21d49cf7u829e1021e4877873@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70903012127k21d49cf7u829e1021e4877873@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0903020654m446fc84xeb11f5c68e5327c2@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Thank you too John...I learned about thinking several years out when I > worked in the computer industry...it really saves a lot of trouble later > down the road and makes a system usable for much longer..can do simple and > easy..less expensive upgrades to it over the years too that way.. > > I like ASUS ?and need to check them out too... > > Now the hooking up the lights thing is really scaring me...I guess I can > always take the project as far as I can on my own and mhave what I can't do > or am afraid to do done by someone else..I mean pay to have it done the rest > of the way if I need too... > > I want to settle on a processor and MOBO 1st and go from there....again > > Thank you and everyone for helping me out...cheryl Cheryl, I'm currently building some nodes that use the MSI K9N2GM NVIDIA Geforce 8200 motherboards with AMD 9750 X4 Phenoms. The motherboard you can pick up for about $80 and whatever AM2+ processor you want. We chose the X4 Phenoms for performance. Anyway, I just thought I'd chime in to say that the chipset works fine with newer distros. I had some trouble with the onboard gigE NIC, but after patching the kernel with a newer driver (from NVIDIA) and the proper module arguments, it works perfectly. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From scrandall at jw.com Mon Mar 2 10:21:43 2009 From: scrandall at jw.com (Crandall, Sean) Date: Mon Mar 2 10:21:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Board for embedded linux In-Reply-To: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> References: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> Message-ID: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A064A0281@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html That one was featured on Slashdot last week. It's about $100 and draws 5 Watts. 512M RAM and 512M hard drive. Embedded Linux. Form factor of a wall wart power adapter. It's got one Eternet and one USB, so you could find a USB-to-Ethernet on Craigslist or something to provide your second ethernet port. Sean C. Crandall Registered Patent Attorney Jackson Walker L.L.P. 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 San Antonio, Texas 78205 Phone: (210) 978.7714 Fax: (210) 242.4656 email: scrandall@jw.com > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Leon > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:17 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] Board for embedded linux > > I have a project to build a small box to act as a transparent > ethernet > bridge to monitor activity and log data. So I will need a > board with 2 > ethernet controllers. I could probably get by on less than a 300mhz > cpu, 128mb ram and at least 128mb of flash storage. I > haven't decided > on the OS yet. I have spent all day looking for a board like > this. I > am kind of new to the embedded scene so trying to decipher > the data on > websites that offer system on chip boards like http://www.amcc.com is > confusing. Seems like the boards that they sell directly are only > development/eval boards? Or do they not sell boards and only > sell chips? > > I am trying to stay below $100. The only thing I have found > is the ALIX > stuff. This will be fine > http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-2B0-Board-2-LAN-2-MINI-PCI_LX700_ > 2?sc=8&category=19 > but the price is higher than I wanted. It has the pci ports that I > don't need and the amd cpu is pricy (vs arm9,ppc ect) so it > seems like > there should be something out there that is cheaper. Is what I am > asking for not come pre fabbed and have to be custom manufactured? > I will probably have to make several of these so having a ready made > cheap enclosure is also a plus. Anyone know of anything or I > am stuck > with ALIX? > > Thanks, > Sam > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at net153.net Mon Mar 2 16:30:50 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Mon Mar 2 16:30:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Board for embedded linux In-Reply-To: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A064A0281@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> References: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A064A0281@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <49AC5E1A.4020402@net153.net> Crandall, Sean wrote: > http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9634061300.html > > That one was featured on Slashdot last week. It's about $100 and draws > 5 Watts. 512M RAM and 512M hard drive. Embedded Linux. Form factor of > a wall wart power adapter. It's got one Eternet and one USB, so you > could find a USB-to-Ethernet on Craigslist or something to provide your > second ethernet port. > > Sean C. Crandall > Registered Patent Attorney > Jackson Walker L.L.P. > 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 > San Antonio, Texas 78205 > Phone: (210) 978.7714 > Fax: (210) 242.4656 > email: scrandall@jw.com Yea I saw that. One ethernet port was the issue. Didn't think about adding usb ethernet though. I think I am going to stick with the alix setup. Alittle pricey but I think I can make it work for now. Sam From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 20:51:32 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Mar 2 20:51:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Dependency Issue Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0903021851k1366ccdam2ab1b0a0390e7bc0@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Tried to update my home server via "yum update" and "yum update kmod-nvidia" and received the following messages: [root@localhost ~]# yum update kmod-nvidia Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * livna: livna.cat.pdx.edu * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: lordmorgul.net * fedora: mirrors.happyjacksoftware.com * rpmfusion-free-updates: lordmorgul.net * rpmfusion-free: lordmorgul.net * updates-newkey: mirrors.happyjacksoftware.com * updates: mirrors.happyjacksoftware.com * rpmfusion-nonfree: lordmorgul.net Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package kmod-nvidia.i686 0:173.14.15-1.fc9.11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 >= 173.14.15-1.fc9.11 for package: kmod-nvidia --> Running transaction check ---> Package kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686.i686 0:173.14.15-1.fc9.11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 for package: kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 --> Finished Dependency Resolution kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.11.i686 from rpmfusion-nonfree-updates has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 is needed by package kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.11.i686 (rpmfusion-nonfree-updates) Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 is needed by package kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.11.i686 (rpmfusion-nonfree-updates) I run the server headless and am trying to install a PCI graphics card (Yes it's me, still trying to work this out learning a lot though). I haven't had this issue till today. I'm still new feeling my way through my distro (Fedora 9). -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From satlugacct at jchampion.com Mon Mar 2 21:01:12 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Mon Mar 2 21:01:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] question about using Virtual Box and Ubuntu Message-ID: <1cb556d10903021901h7da24be9iea351072641460dd@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have been using Virtual box and Ubuntu as a test bed but I'm curious. How does one mount a flashdrive in this format? I have tried and tried but cannot seem to get Ubuntu to recognize the flash drive or even see it to mount it. Does anyone have suggestions? THanks, john From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 21:31:58 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Mon Mar 2 21:32:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] question about using Virtual Box and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10903021901h7da24be9iea351072641460dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49aca4c1.0405be0a.4e59.ffff86de@mx.google.com> In the settings portion of each virtual machine you can capture usb ports on the host machine. I found it worked best when something was plugged into the port I was trying to capture. Hope that helps. Matt -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of John Champion Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:01 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] question about using Virtual Box and Ubuntu Hi, I have been using Virtual box and Ubuntu as a test bed but I'm curious. How does one mount a flashdrive in this format? I have tried and tried but cannot seem to get Ubuntu to recognize the flash drive or even see it to mount it. Does anyone have suggestions? THanks, john -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Mar 2 21:56:22 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Mar 2 21:56:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] question about using Virtual Box and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10903021901h7da24be9iea351072641460dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1cb556d10903021901h7da24be9iea351072641460dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236052582.6874.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> see the following fix...by the way it was the first google link if you google virtual box mount usb http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/04/howto-install-virtualbox-in-hardy-heron.html google is your friend Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Mar 2 22:20:32 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Mar 2 22:20:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Head count RMS talk Message-ID: <1236054032.6874.24.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Ms. Zhang, As of now there are 15 individuals who have voiced their desire to attend the upcoming event featuring RMS. Given the size of our organization this seems a reasonable estimate of our participation. Should it change dramatically I will inform you ASAP. Thank you Todd W. Bucy From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Mar 2 22:59:03 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Mar 2 22:59:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on the RMS Visit and Lecture at Trinity In-Reply-To: <1235401973.49a2bcf56ccd1@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <200902222158.48393.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1235401973.49a2bcf56ccd1@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <1236056343.6874.26.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> FYI here is the final info on the RMS talk Title: Free Software in Ethics and in Practice Time: 7:30-9:30pm, April 20, 2009 Location: Chapman Auditorium, Trinity Univeristy Open to the public Here is the link to our campus map: http://www.trinity.edu/departments/public_relations/tour/map/color_campus_map_new.pdf On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 09:12 -0600, toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: > > I will be collecting the RSVPs for XCSSA. You SATLUGgers might want to do > > the > > same and just have one rep contact the Trinity person for getting you group > > seating. The trinity PoC is in that link above. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tweeks > > I have been coordinating with the same rep. our head count as of now stands at > 15 +/- 2. I will be sending our head count in to the rep after the march > meeting. If there is interest we can all meet up at SAC as well and car pool it > to Trinity. Parking can be difficult at Trinity. > > Todd > From rjw6844 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 07:32:03 2009 From: rjw6844 at gmail.com (Robert Waldo) Date: Tue Mar 3 07:32:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Dependency Issue In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0903021851k1366ccdam2ab1b0a0390e7bc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0903021851k1366ccdam2ab1b0a0390e7bc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <703ba7320903030532y3b64aef0kabcbe4fadd027c09@mail.gmail.com> Peter: What version of the kernel are you running? It sounds like the current kmod-nvidia has a problem with the available kernel that yum wants. I would try again in a few days, or update the rest of your system by disabling the rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo file in /etc/yum.repos.d Bob On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > Hi All, > Tried to update my home server via "yum update" and "yum update > kmod-nvidia" > and received the following messages: > > [root@localhost ~]# yum update kmod-nvidia > Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit > Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile > * livna: livna.cat.pdx.edu > * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: lordmorgul.net > * fedora: mirrors.happyjacksoftware.com > * rpmfusion-free-updates: lordmorgul.net > * rpmfusion-free: lordmorgul.net > * updates-newkey: mirrors.happyjacksoftware.com > * updates: mirrors.happyjacksoftware.com > * rpmfusion-nonfree: lordmorgul.net > Setting up Update Process > Resolving Dependencies > --> Running transaction check > ---> Package kmod-nvidia.i686 0:173.14.15-1.fc9.11 set to be updated > --> Processing Dependency: kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 >= > 173.14.15-1.fc9.11 for package: kmod-nvidia > --> Running transaction check > ---> Package kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686.i686 > 0:173.14.15-1.fc9.11 set to be updated > --> Processing Dependency: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 for > package: kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.11.i686 from > rpmfusion-nonfree-updates has depsolving problems > --> Missing Dependency: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 is > needed by package > kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.11.i686 > (rpmfusion-nonfree-updates) > Error: Missing Dependency: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 is > needed by package > kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686-173.14.15-1.fc9.11.i686 > (rpmfusion-nonfree-updates) > > I run the server headless and am trying to install a PCI graphics card (Yes > it's me, still trying to work this out learning a lot though). I haven't > had > this issue till today. I'm still new feeling my way through my distro > (Fedora 9). > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter Cross > 6751 Raintree Path > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'. - Larry Hardiman From president at satlug.org Tue Mar 3 12:47:08 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Tue Mar 3 12:47:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Shirts Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0903031047t130b5b50n3d70593226561d6@mail.gmail.com> Hello all. I've been sick since Monday of last week and (just barely) dragging myself into work. Unfortunately I haven't been able to meet with our sales rep to get the shirts ordered. I'm hoping to get the order placed later this week. I'm sorry about this taking so long. I didn't plan on our rep being out for two weeks and then me getting sick. Jim From hc at lookcee.com Tue Mar 3 20:58:18 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Tue Mar 3 20:58:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free copy of Linux Format .PDF 24hrs only Message-ID: <49ADEE4A.1060506@lookcee.com> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only Started at 24:00 GMT Mar 4th It's 124mb .zip herb From rjw6844 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 21:00:53 2009 From: rjw6844 at gmail.com (Robert Waldo) Date: Tue Mar 3 21:00:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] free download of Linux Format Message-ID: <703ba7320903031900u5ed8b97btdc2ac25a4840a898@mail.gmail.com> this is available for 24 hours only! http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only -- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'. - Larry Hardiman From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 21:09:11 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Mar 3 21:09:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] free download of Linux Format In-Reply-To: <703ba7320903031900u5ed8b97btdc2ac25a4840a898@mail.gmail.com> References: <703ba7320903031900u5ed8b97btdc2ac25a4840a898@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ADF0D7.40207@gmail.com> Robert Waldo wrote: > this is available for 24 hours only! > > http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only Sorry. What is it? -- Bruce From hc at lookcee.com Tue Mar 3 21:19:56 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Tue Mar 3 21:19:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] free download of Linux Format In-Reply-To: <49ADF0D7.40207@gmail.com> References: <703ba7320903031900u5ed8b97btdc2ac25a4840a898@mail.gmail.com> <49ADF0D7.40207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ADF35C.2010200@lookcee.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Robert Waldo wrote: >> this is available for 24 hours only! >> >> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only > > Sorry. What is it? > > -- Bruce > > It's the current issue of Linux Format mag From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 21:30:11 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Mar 3 21:30:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] free download of Linux Format In-Reply-To: <49ADF35C.2010200@lookcee.com> References: <703ba7320903031900u5ed8b97btdc2ac25a4840a898@mail.gmail.com> <49ADF0D7.40207@gmail.com> <49ADF35C.2010200@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <869de8470903031930r4154e09rfdb83bec985737d0@mail.gmail.com> They're also including a copy of the DVD that would come with the print issue available for download as well. http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/torrents/lxf116.iso.torrent and 250GB cap be damned... FIRESTORM_v1 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:19 PM, herb cee wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> >> Robert Waldo wrote: >>> >>> this is available for 24 hours only! >>> >>> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only >> >> Sorry. ?What is it? >> >> ?-- Bruce >> >> > It's the current issue of Linux Format mag > - Show quoted text - > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Mar 3 22:36:41 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Mar 3 22:36:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] free download of Linux Format In-Reply-To: <703ba7320903031900u5ed8b97btdc2ac25a4840a898@mail.gmail.com> References: <703ba7320903031900u5ed8b97btdc2ac25a4840a898@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AE0559.6030304@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Robert Waldo wrote: > this is available for 24 hours only! > > http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only > Interesting. I was getting Linux Magazine (which wasn't too useful for me) and then they died and became online only, so I got LinuxPro Magazine, which got closer to being more useful. In keeping of the hopeful topic of Linuxy Magazines, which ones are good? I mean good beyond the beginner stage. I'm probably in the competent section. I don't want to call myself an expert, because then I'll get shut down by the real experts ;) But to provide scoping, I run a pair of xen servers, one 64-bit, run my own webserver/emailserver and such. I've set up samba as a PDC backed by LDAP and use PAM_LDAP to auth other unixy services against those windows user accounts. That should provide scoping, not trying to brag, to find a magazine that would show me things I haven't seen before. Or stimulate my brain with new knowledge or more advanced topics. Thanks, - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJJrgVYAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObfHML/3R8DBQTKRdO5M9KPSDEwuVN 0zoDFxr0EyWZFk+zmsAFYssY+Mml6rpFZCkKyGJBLOQFp8FUuHFUkdQgAfJO9/Qr ncrajlFdHkL6ti+uJaoHxshnllHfTQgQpYEkROUMaG7qzSN5nr6kOXpFDO9jbOKy 11EZtoon2TuTmqkBGaRwZuM9gDGeGrktcDcGdUpQ7pN6BTQeIdUlhsk6nhKIezL8 biF3WtdIsRWhk7llPzFANpsr91SH9PdKcjTBd+wyIxGOSDxxhlWiH+1cIysRfoBG aze3+SaQz7uEId+MiB3y4ZNmz3cBTWgJJWOt+gT/zCwO5n7/kUgCUZJwmesWDoYH +orNsAdLKJggg9hmVtjdiwuHTAk92eS+uWi06aKgF5C2Sb/B1xEiaiv0B9MEeTo7 L0h+i/PEIGBpLq7gqXs1yw8wiJhNjYLpMjY5WSNTOpFTG2qqScgUBYIF7rdmGS/A aPks9+1AkGyts7nptSvnKc8/GzXETDRkDC8eDDU0ew== =csTK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gabriel.doss at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 23:17:56 2009 From: gabriel.doss at gmail.com (Gabriel Doss) Date: Tue Mar 3 23:18:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Dependency Issue In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0903021851k1366ccdam2ab1b0a0390e7bc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0903021851k1366ccdam2ab1b0a0390e7bc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f9a93640903032117v7a840229tb441339712287796@mail.gmail.com> Peter, I often had that problem with kmod-nvidia on F6-F9, even when the kernel kmod-nvidia was looking for was the same kernel I had running. I finally switched to akmod-nvidia (same repo) about six months ago and have never had an issue. http://fedorasolved.org/Members/zcat/akmods The above site has some information about akmod-nvidia vs. kmod-nvidia, as well as how to get it set up, which is easy. Basically it is: yum install akmod-nvidia If you go to the site, ignore the part about setting up livna repos as you already have rpmfusion installed. It should take care of the dependencies on its own, then reboot. That's pretty much it. I've done this at home and at work on several computers with varying nvidia hardware including PCI-E, PCI, and AGP, dual and single head, whatever, and it has not failed me yet. Hope it works for you as well as it has for me. Gabriel From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Mar 4 01:53:18 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Wed Mar 4 01:56:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free copy of Linux Format .PDF 24hrs only In-Reply-To: <49ADEE4A.1060506@lookcee.com> References: <49ADEE4A.1060506@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <49AE336E.8070008@futuretechsolutions.com> Thanks Herb. herb cee wrote: > http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only > > Started at 24:00 GMT Mar 4th It's 124mb .zip > herb From pjcrux at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 22:38:43 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Thu Mar 5 22:38:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying a New route for video out Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0903052038v47cfd799t399566234fdff2cd@mail.gmail.com> It seems that I may have been going at this from the wrong angle. After speaking with some buddies at international business machines and redhat I was advised to try to use the DVI port on my graphics card and to buy a DVI to HDMI cable (was told it was the same signal but am not that familiar with the technology so somebody school me if I'm off kilter here). So I hooked up the cable change the input on the TV to HDMI and crossed my fingers.... But still no video. I ran LSPCI through the command line and the system recognizes the card: [root@localhost ~]# /sbin/lspci -nn | grep 'VGA\|NV' 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 01) 02:09.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] [10de:0322] (rev a1) but it also recognizes the onboard as well. Unfortunately the BIOS for the board doesn't give me the ability to disable the onboard is there a way to do it through the command line? BTW thanks to all of the help in getting the drivers installed. Sooner or later this project will be finished and I just wanted to thank everyone for being patient with the new guy. Semper Fi, Peter -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From Channing.ML at channingc.com Fri Mar 6 14:22:45 2009 From: Channing.ML at channingc.com (Channing.ML@channingc.com) Date: Fri Mar 6 14:22:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Job Posting Message-ID: <49B18615.5010007@channingc.com> For those interested: I have a position based in San Antonio for a growing telecom based in California. This is a multi-discipline, senior position requiring depth in Linux (primarily RedHat based), Cisco (routing & switching), the OS and Email from Redmond, and Asterisk. Other areas of responsibility can be found in the posting. Here is the full posting. https://administaff.ats.hrsmart.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=51150 If you have questions, feel free to let me know. Please take the ".ML" off the email address above when sending email. Channing From satlug at net153.net Fri Mar 6 15:58:05 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Mar 6 15:58:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Job Posting In-Reply-To: <49B18615.5010007@channingc.com> References: <49B18615.5010007@channingc.com> Message-ID: <49B19C6D.5040001@net153.net> Channing.ML@channingc.com wrote: > For those interested: > I have a position based in San Antonio for a growing telecom based in > California. This is a multi-discipline, senior position requiring depth > in Linux (primarily RedHat based), Cisco (routing & switching), the OS > and Email from Redmond, and Asterisk. Other areas of responsibility can > be found in the posting. > > Here is the full posting. > https://administaff.ats.hrsmart.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=51150 > > > If you have questions, feel free to let me know. Please take the ".ML" > off the email address above when sending email. > > Channing > Looks pretty awesome. If I wasn't in school I would take it. Sam From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 04:35:53 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Mar 7 04:35:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] my sincere apologies Message-ID: <7e4994a70903070235s620eb10ch638b8a8a14a2d9a@mail.gmail.com> I am writing to express my sincere apologies to all of you have responded to me regarding my wanting to build a new box. I got very far behind reading emails and responding this week because I've been sick. I will read the digests and respond though...thank all of you who did respond and I will answer you...soon as I am feeling better in the next few days...cheryl From nathan at gvtc.com Sat Mar 7 06:09:10 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Sat Mar 7 06:09:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <20090307040910.D9C215DE@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Reminder that we have our SATLUG booth at the Computer Show at Live Oak Civic Center on March 14th. This time we will be showing Business Software other then the standard office suite type of programs. We want to show accounting, point of sale, project management, and other business related software. For the May 30th show we want to show programming software and software for controlling items from a computer such as robots and model trains like Don did the one time. CAD/CAM software would also be a good choice. We are open for other ideas for that show also. Nathan From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 7 11:48:53 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sat Mar 7 11:48:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20090307040910.D9C215DE@resin15.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090307040910.D9C215DE@resin15.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: Since there's almost always someone who asks: You can learn what else goes on there at http://www.pcshows.com. SATLUG members get treated well by the dealers because they see us so often! The nearest holiday is St. Patrick's Day, so our decorating theme for this show is "The Saving of the Green". That link above also leads to a $1.00 off coupon for the admission price. Go there and save some, okay? --Don On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:09:10 -0800, Nathan wrote: >Reminder that we have our SATLUG booth at the Computer Show at Live Oak Civic Center on March 14th. This time we will be showing Business Software other then the standard office suite type of programs. We want to show accounting, point of sale, project management, and other business related software. > >For the May 30th show we want to show programming software and software for controlling items from a computer such as robots and model trains like Don did the one time. CAD/CAM software would also be a good choice. We are open for other ideas for that show also. > > >Nathan -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From e2eiod at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 03:37:37 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sun Mar 8 03:37:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] my sincere apologies In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70903070235s620eb10ch638b8a8a14a2d9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70903070235s620eb10ch638b8a8a14a2d9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/7/09, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I am writing to express my sincere apologies to all of you have responded to > me regarding my wanting to build a new box. I got very far behind reading > emails and responding this week because I've been sick. I will read the > digests and respond though...thank all of you who did respond and I will > answer you...soon as I am feeling better in the next few days...cheryl > > -- Hope you are feeling better. Be in no hurray to build your new system. Over at least the next six months to a year, systems will get less expensive and faster. That translates to a Win! Win! for you... > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sun Mar 8 20:40:05 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sun Mar 8 20:40:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Lookin for a 40 pin male to female ide cable Message-ID: <555179.93822.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> anyone know where I can get one? Frederik: do you have one in that pile of stuff I gave you? -Alex From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 8 21:28:39 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Mar 8 21:28:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Lookin for a 40 pin male to female ide cable In-Reply-To: <555179.93822.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <555179.93822.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5fv8r41lpqhp6196q1elmnrahm0hcq84pa@4ax.com> Altex Electronics used to have a good custom cable department. If the correct crimp-on male connector exists, they probably can make it. --Don On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:40:05 -0700 (PDT), Alex Bartonek wrote: >anyone know where I can get one? > >-Alex -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 8 23:35:27 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Sun Mar 8 22:35:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? Message-ID: Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have seen from ATI and Trident. Specifically, an ATI Radeon 9250, 3D Rage Pro, or Trident Blade 3D 9880. I know I could check the compatibility lists to see if they are supported, but that doesn't say if a select group has had experience/problems with getting those set up. Also, is there a non-brand-specific driver that could be used to support more than 800x600 even if it doesn't run whatever card you have to the best of its ability? Thanks, Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 02:57:22 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Mon Mar 9 02:57:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Sharing an internet connection virtually (VMWARE) Message-ID: I have no internet in Linux due to my only way to get internet is through my blackberry curve phone sharing ( I think some call this tethering) internet to the pc. It works fine in winblows of course with the provided winblows software, so I booted over to Linux, fired up VMware workstation 6.5, set up the internet in it, and I have internet in my guest os in vmware which is 32 bit xp media center. I right clicked the connection from "network connections" and went to share this connection. Now I'd like to share it to my host os, 64-bit Ubuntu 8.10 in Raid 0. Do I need to be using NAT or Bridged. Please be specific and give detailed instructions. Thank you. I've set up internet sharing before but not virtually. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From satlug at net153.net Mon Mar 9 06:32:06 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Mon Mar 9 06:32:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Sharing an internet connection virtually (VMWARE) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B4FE36.1000607@net153.net> Christopher Lemire wrote: > I have no internet in Linux due to my only way to get internet is > through my blackberry curve phone sharing ( I think some call this > tethering) internet to the pc. It works fine in winblows of course > with the provided winblows software, so I booted over to Linux, fired > up VMware workstation 6.5, set up the internet in it, and I have > internet in my guest os in vmware which is 32 bit xp media center. I > right clicked the connection from "network connections" and went to > share this connection. Now I'd like to share it to my host os, 64-bit > Ubuntu 8.10 in Raid 0. Do I need to be using NAT or Bridged. Please be > specific and give detailed instructions. Thank you. I've set up > internet sharing before but not virtually. > Have you tried barry? http://www.netdirect.ca/software/packages/barry/ I had it working sporadically on the ATT network once. I think there are known issues with ATT though. Sam From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Mar 9 08:47:43 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Mar 9 08:47:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for > the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I > guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have > seen from ATI and Trident. the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 09:05:33 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Mar 9 09:05:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <49B5222D.2090409@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > >> Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for >> the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I >> guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have >> seen from ATI and Trident. >> > > the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card > out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the > newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? > > Todd > Aww... Now why'd you go and say a thing like that? My laptop, with an ATI Radeon 200M, and an older HP Pavilion 531w tower with an added ATI Rage 128 (32MB on card) work just fine under fglrx (FireGL). I even have Compiz effects, wobbly windows and a bunch more running on the laptop. If y'all will remember, I couldn't make nVidia work either... (but I never bad-mouthed them...) Cheers; ed From michael at michaelrice.org Mon Mar 9 09:05:44 2009 From: michael at michaelrice.org (Michael Rice) Date: Mon Mar 9 09:05:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Cron Emails Message-ID: Hey group. I am wanting to know if its possible to set the MAILTO on a per cron basis. I have some Cron jobs that need to go to our Sysadmin, and others that need to go to Accounting and a few that need to go to developers. Would I just need to export MAILTO before each job runs or is there more to it than that? From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Mar 9 09:24:28 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Mar 9 09:24:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? Message-ID: <97d8a1d75fd048089f6da390aa09d5de.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >I was wondering what kind of support y'all have >seen from ATI and Trident. Specifically, an ATI Radeon 9250, 3D Rage Pro, or >Trident Blade 3D 9880. ------------------------------------ No problems with ATI : Radeon 9250, 9600, & RS690M X1200 series. Caveat, I use mine as productive tools, not a toys. Lou From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Mar 9 09:41:02 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Mar 9 09:41:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Sharing an internet connection virtually (VMWARE) Message-ID: <200903091441.n29Ef28O009205@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > I have no internet in Linux due to my only way to get internet is > through my blackberry curve phone sharing ( I think some call this > tethering) internet to the pc. It works fine in winblows of course > with the provided winblows software, so I booted over to Linux, fired > up VMware workstation 6.5, set up the internet in it, and I have > internet in my guest os in vmware which is 32 bit xp media center. I > right clicked the connection from "network connections" and went to > share this connection. Now I'd like to share it to my host os, 64-bit > Ubuntu 8.10 in Raid 0. Do I need to be using NAT or Bridged. Please be > specific and give detailed instructions. Thank you. I've set up > internet sharing before but not virtually. > > -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > Chris, I have a feeling this is going to a bit tricky. VMWare assumes to get the internet connection from the host os, I am not sure if you can rig it so it goes the other way around. Can you rig it inside of WIndows to share the internet connection with the guest OS? You may be out of luck...I think first you would have to setup Windows to route internet traffic over the VMWare interface. Then you would have to set up the default route in Linux to use the vmware interfaces. Not sure if VMWare can even route internet traffic to your host OS. On my RAZR I can connect to the internet by using it as a modem. When I connect it to the USB port, I get /dev/ttyACM0 which can be used as a dialup modem with pppd or other authentication mechanisms. See if you get this device once you plug it in. -b. From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 13:14:44 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Mar 9 13:14:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Cron Emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903091314.44348.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Monday 09 March 2009 09:05:44 Michael Rice wrote: > Hey group. I am wanting to know if its possible to set the MAILTO on a per > cron basis. I have some Cron jobs that need to go to our Sysadmin, and > others that need to go to Accounting and a few that need to go to > developers. Would I just need to export MAILTO before each job runs or is > there more to it than that? Not sure if this will help or not. I use webmin to administer a server and have used it to create several cron jobs with the option to send an email for each job. You may be able to manually edit your cron jobs in /var/spool/cron as root. The cron jobs will be listed in files named for the user who runs the jobs. In the following examples, I have 2 cron jobs, the first of which runs a script every 5 minutes to pipe various commands through cat to create a text file... the second job mails that text file to a user every 4 hours. BUT, on the second job, piping cat to mail to the user is part of the command I assigned as a cron job. 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * sh /home/username/Documents/uptime.sh ? #Write system uptime to text and html 0 1,5,9,13,17,21 * * * cat /var/www/html/uptime.txt | mail username@domain.com ? ?#Mail uptime.txt to username I have other cron jobs which send results through email, but the mail command was not part of the command issued, rather it was defined by webmin when I set up the jobs. I cannot find where cron has saved that mail info for those jobs. John C. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Mar 9 14:41:56 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Mar 9 14:41:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: <49B5222D.2090409@gmail.com> References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49B5222D.2090409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236627716.22852.7.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 09:05 -0500, ed wrote: > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > > > >> Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for > >> the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I > >> guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have > >> seen from ATI and Trident. > >> > > > > the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card > > out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the > > newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? > > > > Todd > > > Aww... Now why'd you go and say a thing like that? My laptop, with an > ATI Radeon 200M, and an older HP Pavilion 531w tower with an added ATI > Rage 128 (32MB on card) work just fine under fglrx (FireGL). I even have > Compiz effects, wobbly windows and a bunch more running on the laptop. > If y'all will remember, I couldn't make nVidia work either... (but I > never bad-mouthed them...) > > Cheers; > ed > I didn't intend to pick a fight but when ever I try to get my radeon pro 9600 to work it just barley works and often crashes my desktop. that said I have used Nvidia's since the 6000 series and have never had a problem getting the driver to install in Ubuntu. granted before Gutsy this required compiling the kernel but the last few releases of Ubuntu have seen the Nvidia card and asked if I wanted to install the restricted drivers which it has always done flawlessly. Even on the new cards like my 9800 GTX. Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Mar 9 14:44:20 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Mar 9 14:44:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: <1236627716.22852.7.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49B5222D.2090409@gmail.com> <1236627716.22852.7.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1236627860.22852.9.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 14:41 -0500, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 09:05 -0500, ed wrote: > > > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > > > > > >> Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for > > >> the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I > > >> guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have > > >> seen from ATI and Trident. > > >> > > > > > > the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card > > > out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the > > > newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? > > > > > > Todd > > > > > Aww... Now why'd you go and say a thing like that? My laptop, with an > > ATI Radeon 200M, and an older HP Pavilion 531w tower with an added ATI > > Rage 128 (32MB on card) work just fine under fglrx (FireGL). I even have > > Compiz effects, wobbly windows and a bunch more running on the laptop. > > If y'all will remember, I couldn't make nVidia work either... (but I > > never bad-mouthed them...) > > > > Cheers; > > ed > > > > I didn't intend to pick a fight but when ever I try to get my radeon pro > 9600 to work it just barley works and often crashes my desktop. that > said I have used Nvidia's since the 6000 series and have never had a > problem getting the driver to install in Ubuntu. granted before Gutsy > this required compiling the kernel but the last few releases of Ubuntu > have seen the Nvidia card and asked if I wanted to install the > restricted drivers which it has always done flawlessly. Even on the new > cards like my 9800 GTX. > > Todd > that said I have had hope that ATI (after it was bought by AMD) would release better support for Linux. thus far I have been disapointed. Todd From michael at michaelrice.org Mon Mar 9 15:39:55 2009 From: michael at michaelrice.org (Michael Rice) Date: Mon Mar 9 15:40:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Cron Emails In-Reply-To: <200903091314.44348.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200903091314.44348.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: That works fine thanks. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, John D Choate wrote: > On Monday 09 March 2009 09:05:44 Michael Rice wrote: > > Hey group. I am wanting to know if its possible to set the MAILTO on a > per > > cron basis. I have some Cron jobs that need to go to our Sysadmin, and > > others that need to go to Accounting and a few that need to go to > > developers. Would I just need to export MAILTO before each job runs or is > > there more to it than that? > > Not sure if this will help or not. I use webmin to administer a server and > have used it to create several cron jobs with the option to send an email > for each job. > You may be able to manually edit your cron jobs in /var/spool/cron as root. > The cron jobs will be listed in files named for the user who runs the jobs. > > In the following examples, I have 2 cron jobs, the first of which runs a > script every 5 minutes to pipe various commands through cat to create a text > file... the second job mails that text file to a user every 4 hours. BUT, on > the second job, piping cat to mail to the user is part of the command I > assigned as a cron job. > > 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * sh > /home/username/Documents/uptime.sh #Write system uptime to text and html > 0 1,5,9,13,17,21 * * * cat /var/www/html/uptime.txt | mail > username@domain.com #Mail uptime.txt to username > > I have other cron jobs which send results through email, but the mail > command was not part of the command issued, rather it was defined by webmin > when I set up the jobs. I cannot find where cron has saved that mail info > for those jobs. > > > John C. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 18:48:02 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Mar 9 18:47:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: <1236627716.22852.7.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49B5222D.2090409@gmail.com> <1236627716.22852.7.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <49B5AAB2.7040807@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 09:05 -0500, ed wrote: > >> Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for >>>> the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I >>>> guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have >>>> seen from ATI and Trident. >>>> >>>> >>> the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card >>> out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the >>> newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> >> Aww... Now why'd you go and say a thing like that? My laptop, with an >> ATI Radeon 200M, and an older HP Pavilion 531w tower with an added ATI >> Rage 128 (32MB on card) work just fine under fglrx (FireGL). I even have >> Compiz effects, wobbly windows and a bunch more running on the laptop. >> If y'all will remember, I couldn't make nVidia work either... (but I >> never bad-mouthed them...) >> >> Cheers; >> ed >> >> > > I didn't intend to pick a fight but when ever I try to get my radeon pro > 9600 to work it just barley works and often crashes my desktop. that > said I have used Nvidia's since the 6000 series and have never had a > problem getting the driver to install in Ubuntu. granted before Gutsy > this required compiling the kernel but the last few releases of Ubuntu > have seen the Nvidia card and asked if I wanted to install the > restricted drivers which it has always done flawlessly. Even on the new > cards like my 9800 GTX. > > I gotta eat some words here too: just this afternoon installed Ubu 8.04LTS on a Dell Optiplex GX270 with a DVI-plugged nVidia card - dunno what type yet, but I'll find it. Got the same result you did -- the restricted driver socked right in and special effects started right out of the box. :) Cheers; Ed From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 9 19:38:00 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Mon Mar 9 19:38:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: I'm beginning to think the latest may not be the greatest. Trying to use Ubuntu 8.10 installed with wubi. It is a Riva TNT2 M64....and I found out that I needed the legacy drivers (71.86.04) Even tried using envyng and it didn't help much either. Hadn't tried the manual install step-by-step yet, but since I have some extra graphics cards in the drawer, was thinking about just swapping out. Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Todd W. Bucy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:48 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for > the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I > guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have > seen from ATI and Trident. the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? Todd -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 21:09:31 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Mar 9 21:09:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Success!! Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0903091909i1d171d84ndb24d4b56dab2e1a@mail.gmail.com> OK... First off thanks to everyone that helped with the drivers for my PCI graphics card. I went another route and bought a DVI to HDMI cable am now able to use the TV as a monitor for the minor issues needed when i can't use putty. Now however the server will not boot to the X Server. I can only bring up CLI. I've tried the following commands: system-config-display startx gnome and a multitude of others. However I get the following errors from both putty and while hooked up to the machine. [root@localhost ~]# system-config-display Couldn't start X server on card 0 Couldn't start X server on card 1 Couldn't start X server with old config, trying with a fresh configuration Couldn't start X server on card 0 Couldn't start X server on card 1 Error, failed to start X server. [root@localhost ~]# startx gnome xauth: creating new authority file /root/.serverauth.3938 X.Org X Server 1.5.2 Release Date: 10 October 2008 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-92.1.10.el5 i686 Current Operating System: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Tue Feb 24 20:09:23 EST 2009 i686 Build Date: 03 November 2008 12:34:56AM Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.5.2-3.fc9 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Mar 9 20:41:25 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found giving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. help! -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Mar 9 21:32:02 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Mar 9 21:32:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1236652322.22852.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> i may be mistaken but isn't wubi a virtualization. if so then that is your prob. i dont know of many virtualizations which handle 3d cards. todd On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 19:38 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > I'm beginning to think the latest may not be the greatest. Trying to use > Ubuntu 8.10 installed with wubi. It is a Riva TNT2 M64....and I found out > that I needed the legacy drivers (71.86.04) Even tried using envyng and it > didn't help much either. Hadn't tried the manual install step-by-step yet, > but since I have some extra graphics cards in the drawer, was thinking about > just swapping out. > > Richard > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Todd W. Bucy > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:48 AM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? > > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > > Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for > > the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I > > guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have > > seen from ATI and Trident. > > the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card > out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the > newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? > > Todd > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 > 19:32:00 > From mfredriksafstro at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 9 21:36:59 2009 From: mfredriksafstro at satx.rr.com (Bamse) Date: Mon Mar 9 21:37:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Lookin for a 40 pin male to female ide cable In-Reply-To: <555179.93822.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <555179.93822.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49B5D24B.1080109@satx.rr.com> Hi Alex, Sorry but I could not find any 40 pin cables in the stuff you gave me... The only thing I have is the ordinary IDE cables... /Fredrik Alex Bartonek wrote: > anyone know where I can get one? > > Frederik: > do you have one in that pile of stuff I gave you? > > -Alex > > > > From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Mon Mar 9 22:21:12 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Mon Mar 9 22:21:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: <1236652322.22852.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1236652322.22852.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: Actually, what wubi is is an installer that starts running under windows, but it ends up being a pure boot of ubuntu, with files being used for the disk images. It installs grub as a boot menu between windows and ubuntu. Is there much of a problem getting a tv tuner card working under Linux? Not sure exactly which cards I have, (I think one is a wavewatcher pro, pci id's report it as a brooktree bt878, and the other one is on board my ati rage pro 3d.) Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Todd W. Bucy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:32 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? i may be mistaken but isn't wubi a virtualization. if so then that is your prob. i dont know of many virtualizations which handle 3d cards. todd On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 19:38 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > I'm beginning to think the latest may not be the greatest. Trying to use > Ubuntu 8.10 installed with wubi. It is a Riva TNT2 M64....and I found out > that I needed the legacy drivers (71.86.04) Even tried using envyng and it > didn't help much either. Hadn't tried the manual install step-by-step yet, > but since I have some extra graphics cards in the drawer, was thinking about > just swapping out. > > Richard > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Todd W. Bucy > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:48 AM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? > > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > > Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for > > the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I > > guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have > > seen from ATI and Trident. > > the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card > out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the > newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? > > Todd > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 > 19:32:00 > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 9 23:51:00 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Mar 9 23:51:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: Richard Suberg wrote: >I'm beginning to think the latest may not be the greatest. Trying to use >Ubuntu 8.10 installed with wubi. In that case you might want to try the current 9.04 alpha test, with a newer Xorg and kernel. Fastest way to find it is probably DistroWatch. http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05352 --Don -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 04:40:36 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Mar 10 04:40:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <49B63594.3050003@gmail.com> Ok... There ya got me. I couldn't make a TNT2 work either... Cheers; ed Richard Suberg wrote: > I'm beginning to think the latest may not be the greatest. Trying to use > Ubuntu 8.10 installed with wubi. It is a Riva TNT2 M64....and I found out > that I needed the legacy drivers (71.86.04) Even tried using envyng and it > didn't help much either. Hadn't tried the manual install step-by-step yet, > but since I have some extra graphics cards in the drawer, was thinking about > just swapping out. > > Richard > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Todd W. Bucy > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:48 AM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? > > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > >> Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for >> the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I >> guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have >> seen from ATI and Trident. >> > > the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card > out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the > newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? > > Todd > > > From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Tue Mar 10 07:15:18 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Tue Mar 10 07:15:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: <49B63594.3050003@gmail.com> References: <1236606463.22852.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49B63594.3050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: At least it wasn't just me then.... ;) Trying the 9.04, but what would be easier, reinst under ubuntu itself? Would that be too hard? Recommended? I don't have much data in Linux, but there are all kinds of files on the drive... I think the way wubi works is it uses the loopback to mount files as drives (including / and /boot) Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of ed Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:41 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? Ok... There ya got me. I couldn't make a TNT2 work either... Cheers; ed Richard Suberg wrote: > I'm beginning to think the latest may not be the greatest. Trying to use > Ubuntu 8.10 installed with wubi. It is a Riva TNT2 M64....and I found out > that I needed the legacy drivers (71.86.04) Even tried using envyng and it > didn't help much either. Hadn't tried the manual install step-by-step yet, > but since I have some extra graphics cards in the drawer, was thinking about > just swapping out. > > Richard > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Todd W. Bucy > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:48 AM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? > > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > >> Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for >> the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I >> guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have >> seen from ATI and Trident. >> > > the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card > out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the > newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? > > Todd > > > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1986 - Release Date: 03/05/09 19:32:00 From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 09:31:24 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Tue Mar 10 09:31:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? Message-ID: <864581.62121.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, ed wrote: Ok...? There ya got me.? I couldn't make a TNT2 work either... Although I've never tried it with ubuntu I've gotten the tnt2 to work with the legacy drivers with several distros. Suse, PC-LinuxOS, Elive and others. As long as you have the linux kernel installed it should work by running the install from runlevel 3 as root. Bill From jdchoate at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 11:41:53 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Tue Mar 10 11:41:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? In-Reply-To: <49B63594.3050003@gmail.com> References: <49B63594.3050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903101141.54155.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Tuesday 10 March 2009 04:40:36 ed wrote: > Ok... There ya got me. I couldn't make a TNT2 work either... > > Cheers; > ed > > Richard Suberg wrote: > > I'm beginning to think the latest may not be the greatest. Trying to use > > Ubuntu 8.10 installed with wubi. It is a Riva TNT2 M64....and I found out > > that I needed the legacy drivers (71.86.04) Even tried using envyng and it > > didn't help much either. Hadn't tried the manual install step-by-step yet, > > but since I have some extra graphics cards in the drawer, was thinking about > > just swapping out. > > > > Richard > > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > > Of Todd W. Bucy > > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:48 AM > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ATI/Trident drivers ok? > > > > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 23:35 -0500, Richard Suberg wrote: > > > >> Since I still haven't had any luck getting the nvidia drivers to work for > >> the card I had, (riva tnt2 m64) (not from lack of support from you guys, I > >> guess it is just my luck) I was wondering what kind of support y'all have > >> seen from ATI and Trident. > >> > > > > the ATI linux drivers suck. Nvidia is really the best supported 3D card > > out there for linux. It has been my experience that nvidia and the > > newer Ubuntu distros JUST WORK. what idstro are you using? > > > > Todd > > > > > > I have recently installed Mandrive 2008.1 Spring on an older HP machine with built-in nvidia graphics. It used the legacy driver as well and identified the graphics chip as a Geforce2/TNT/TNT2/Riva. The 2D drivers for the desktop work fine, but, alas, no glx. I tried the nvidia installer as well as the rpm package provided by mandriva and neither got glx working, but 2D worked fine. From pjcrux at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 13:27:31 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Tue Mar 10 13:27:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Partial Success Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0903101127n4c91db48j4c4cddb3ff0ba597@mail.gmail.com> OK... First off thanks to everyone that helped with the drivers for my PCI graphics card. I went another route and bought a DVI to HDMI cable am now able to use the TV as a monitor for the minor issues needed when i can't use putty. Now however the server will not boot to the X Server. I can only bring up CLI. I've tried the following commands: system-config-display startx gnome and a multitude of others. However I get the following errors from both putty and while hooked up to the machine. [root@localhost ~]# system-config-display Couldn't start X server on card 0 Couldn't start X server on card 1 Couldn't start X server with old config, trying with a fresh configuration Couldn't start X server on card 0 Couldn't start X server on card 1 Error, failed to start X server. [root@localhost ~]# startx gnome xauth: creating new authority file /root/.serverauth.3938 X.Org X Server 1.5.2 Release Date: 10 October 2008 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-92.1.10.el5 i686 Current Operating System: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Tue Feb 24 20:09:23 EST 2009 i686 Build Date: 03 November 2008 12:34:56AM Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.5.2-3.fc9 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Mar 9 20:41:25 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found giving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. I am at impasse as to whether to try reinstalling the distro's and repo's or attempting again to reinstall the x server (tried last night but to be honest don't really know what I"m doing). I also tried to install the VNC server last night to maybe find another way to do this but that wouldn't install as well, has anyone heard of FreeNX? When is the next install fest? Sorry to keep buggin ya'll about this. Everything works well with the machine but I need to get into the GUI that way I can access the myvpn.conf file so that I can set a VPN up. -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From president at satlug.org Tue Mar 10 13:34:26 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Tue Mar 10 13:34:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting, Computer Show, Shirts & ideas for presentations Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0903101134m13b80cb6hb2aca65a7d866714@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, First of all, a reminder about the meeting on THURSDAY evening. Unless someone volunteers to do some sort of presentation, we don't have anything formally set up. The normal time of 7:00 at Nail Technical Center room 025, just like usual. The BEST THING? Spring Break means no problems with finding parking. (Don, thanks again for setting me straight on WHICH night the meeting is. It's been a long week.) Secondly, the Computer Show is this Saturday. I will be taking the sign out to the show EARLY (0700) on Saturday morning. IF I can set it up by myself I will do so. (Never tried putting it together & up by myself before.) I won't be back to the show until sometime early in the afternoon as I am participating in the St. Patrick's Day Parade & don't know where in the parade we are or what time we will finish.) Thirdly, an update on the SATLUG shirts. I was sick week before last & wasn't able to get the shirts ordered then. Last week I was super busy playing catchup at work & couldn't take any time off. I talked to the shirt company this morning. The sales person who was handing our account has quit & the new person has to look at the file & bring herself up-to-date. Fourthly? Would there be an interest in having a meeting where several people brought their favorite "special purpose" distributions? I don't have anything specific in mind but thought that it might be interesting to see some of these & find out how they are being used. Are there any other suggestions? Jim Wells From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 13:50:10 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Mar 10 13:50:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Partial Success In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0903101127n4c91db48j4c4cddb3ff0ba597@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0903101127n4c91db48j4c4cddb3ff0ba597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0903101150k59fdf122g3b1cd243906444ed@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > OK... First off thanks to everyone that helped with the drivers for my PCI > graphics card. I went another route and bought a DVI to HDMI cable am now > able to use the TV as a monitor for the minor issues needed when i can't use > putty. Now however the server will not boot to the X Server. I can only > bring up CLI. Peter it would help if you posted your xorg.conf file. Those errors all point to a misconfiguration. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 14:39:31 2009 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Tue Mar 10 14:39:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Partial Success In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0903101127n4c91db48j4c4cddb3ff0ba597@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0903101127n4c91db48j4c4cddb3ff0ba597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0903101239i67c65188ld0626c636963422a@mail.gmail.com> > > > I am at impasse as to whether to try reinstalling the distro's and repo's > or > attempting again to reinstall the x server (tried last night but to be > honest don't really know what I"m doing). I also tried to install the VNC > server last night to maybe find another way to do this but that wouldn't > install as well, has anyone heard of FreeNX? When is the next install fest? > Sorry to keep buggin ya'll about this. Everything works well with the > machine but I need to get into the GUI that way I can access the myvpn.conf > file so that I can set a VPN up. > The next install fest isn't until the beginning of the fall semester. From ve3cda at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 14:21:53 2009 From: ve3cda at gmail.com (Ben Price) Date: Thu Mar 12 14:21:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] MCSE (that other O/S) job opportunity... Message-ID: *Hello everyone, * *I received this solicitation for a job opening and thought someone from SATLUG might be interested.* *Ben Price* *=======================================================* *Dear Ben,* *We are searching for top talent to recruit a Sr. Microsoft Systems Engineer for a top firm in San Antonio. The majority of our candidates are direct referrals from our network. Thank you in advance for thinking of someone you may know who would appreciate hearing about this opportunity. 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IT, Energy, and Engineering *** 719 Carnoustie Drive San Antonio, Texas 78258 www.deaconrecruiting.com Respectfully, Mark Manny Recruiter Deacon Real Building 719 Carnoustie Drive San Antonio, Texas 78258 210.494.4924 Fax mmanny@deaconrecruiting.com www.deaconrecruiting.com From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 14:26:11 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Mar 12 14:26:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation Message-ID: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> Hi folks... My current Acer Aspire 3050 laptop is dying - overall performance drop, keys sticking or not writing, screen darkening and forever running hot. I've replaced it with a newer Acer Aspire 5155 (AMD Athlon 64 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM). Problem: While the 3050 had a Broadcom wifi card, and I'd finally discovered how to make the restricted drivers work, the new 5155 has an Atheros wifi card, and I'm lost again... I've loaded Ubuntu 8.04LTS (fresh load), and the system says its using the Atheros restricted driver(s), but I'm not even seeing a wifi light, much less connecting to anything. Wired networking/internet runs just fine and everything else runs cherry. Any suggestions? Cheers; Ed From benjaminez at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 14:34:18 2009 From: benjaminez at gmail.com (benjaminez@gmail.com) Date: Thu Mar 12 14:34:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting, Computer Show, Shirts & ideas for presentations In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0903101134m13b80cb6hb2aca65a7d866714@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0903101134m13b80cb6hb2aca65a7d866714@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090312193418.GB9958@gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 01:34:26PM -0500, Jim Wells, President writ thus: > Fourthly? Would there be an interest in having a meeting where > several people brought their favorite "special purpose" > distributions? I don't have anything specific in mind but thought > that it might be interesting to see some of these & find out how > they are being used. Are there any other suggestions? I'd love to see this happen. There are so many sweet special-purpose distros out there; it would be pretty cool to see them all in action. I'd really appreciate it if somebody wanted to demo micro-Linux distributions (i.e., stuff I can run off a flash drive). Truth be told, I've rather been wanting to build my own micro-distribution for a while now--I'd love to be able to rapidly boot into a USB stick environment with an editor, Mutt, and LaTeX. Does anybody know of a good howto? Even better, would anybody like to give a presentation on building a micro-distribution? Benjamin From jjjordan at grandecom.net Thu Mar 12 15:59:33 2009 From: jjjordan at grandecom.net (FourJ) Date: Thu Mar 12 16:08:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] MCSE (that other O/S) job opportunity... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80D3A6F282D94BCFAB69119A87655D95@core01> It's tough all over! Microsoft cuts software leasing costs to retain companies Paste the following URL into your browser for the complete article of defecation: http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/09/0 3/10/Microsoft_cuts_software_leasing_costs_to_retain_companies_1.html From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Mar 12 16:55:07 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Mar 12 16:55:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation In-Reply-To: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> References: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B984BB.5000700@w5omr.shacknet.nu> ed wrote: > Hi folks... My current Acer Aspire 3050 laptop is dying - overall > performance drop, keys sticking or not writing, screen darkening and > forever running hot. I've replaced it with a newer Acer Aspire 5155 > (AMD Athlon 64 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM). Problem: While the 3050 had a > Broadcom wifi card, and I'd finally discovered how to make the > restricted drivers work, the new 5155 has an Atheros wifi card, and > I'm lost again... I've loaded Ubuntu 8.04LTS (fresh load), and the > system says its using the Atheros restricted driver(s), but I'm not > even seeing a wifi light, much less connecting to anything. Wired > networking/internet runs just fine and everything else runs cherry. > Any suggestions? > At the risk of stating the obvious, Ed... there are some laptops that have a feature that allows you to turn on/off the WiFi feature. If you're not seeing the Wifi Light, I'd say it was turned off. On my Gateway, there's a symbol that kinda looks like; ((( . ))) (with a bigger dot in themiddle, of course) The Fn (in blue) key, and the corresponding key with that graphic on it, toggle the Wifi on/off I apologize if I'm oversimplifying something you probably already looked into, but better to turn that pebble over, instead of leaving a clue unsolved. -Geoff From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 17:17:37 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Mar 12 17:17:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation In-Reply-To: <49B984BB.5000700@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> <49B984BB.5000700@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <49B98A01.2070400@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > ed wrote: > >> Hi folks... My current Acer Aspire 3050 laptop is dying - overall >> performance drop, keys sticking or not writing, screen darkening and >> forever running hot. I've replaced it with a newer Acer Aspire 5155 >> (AMD Athlon 64 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM). Problem: While the 3050 had a >> Broadcom wifi card, and I'd finally discovered how to make the >> restricted drivers work, the new 5155 has an Atheros wifi card, and >> I'm lost again... I've loaded Ubuntu 8.04LTS (fresh load), and the >> system says its using the Atheros restricted driver(s), but I'm not >> even seeing a wifi light, much less connecting to anything. Wired >> networking/internet runs just fine and everything else runs cherry. >> Any suggestions? >> >> > > At the risk of stating the obvious, Ed... there are some laptops that > have a feature that allows you to turn on/off the WiFi feature. > > If you're not seeing the Wifi Light, I'd say it was turned off. > > On my Gateway, there's a symbol that kinda looks like; > ((( . ))) (with a bigger dot in themiddle, of course) > > The Fn (in blue) key, and the corresponding key with that graphic on it, > toggle the Wifi on/off > > I apologize if I'm oversimplifying something you probably already looked > into, but better to turn that pebble over, instead of leaving a clue > unsolved. > > -Geoff > There's actually a spring-button to turn it off/on, just like on my 3050. Function keys apparently have no effect. Thanks for getting that one out of the way tho... Cheers; Ed From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 17:19:10 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Mar 12 17:19:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting, Computer Show, Shirts & ideas for presentations In-Reply-To: <20090312193418.GB9958@gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0903101134m13b80cb6hb2aca65a7d866714@mail.gmail.com> <20090312193418.GB9958@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B98A5E.60108@gmail.com> benjaminez@gmail.com wrote: > Truth be told, I've rather been wanting to build my own > micro-distribution for a while now--I'd love to be able to rapidly > boot into a USB stick environment with an editor, Mutt, and LaTeX. > Does anybody know of a good howto? www.linuxfromscratch.org Do your own thing. -- Bruce From scs at worldlinkisp.com Thu Mar 12 19:22:37 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Thu Mar 12 19:22:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation Message-ID: > the new 5155 has an Atheros wifi card, and I'm lost again... >I've loaded Ubuntu 8.04LTS (fresh load), and the system >says its using the Atheros restricted driver(s), but I'm not >even seeing a wifi light, much less connecting to anything. >Wired networking/internet runs just fine and everything else >runs cherry. Any suggestions? ------------------------------------------------------ Could be something simple, Atheros is a good chipset, but you need to provide more info (sort of like saying I have a European car, not specific). Do a CL < lspci -n > and ID the chipset for us. Also, what network manager are you using? I'm not a Unbutu user, but there several on list, and with full info can and will help. Am sure you've checked all simple things, like Network preference settings, ID'ing your wifi card (wlan0)? Good luck, Lou From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 12 20:33:45 2009 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Mar 12 20:33:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation In-Reply-To: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> References: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B9B7F9.4080701@sbcglobal.net> Because of my great ignorance, I hesitated to jump in, but, what the heck. I spent all of last summer trying to get WiFi working on the 64-bit version of Umbutu 8.04. Finally, someone on list (Jim) suggested I try the 32-bit version. I did and the problem was solved. Ndiswrapper wouldn't accept a 32-bit Win driver for a 64-bit program. Andy Pickens ed wrote: > Hi folks... My current Acer Aspire 3050 laptop is dying - overall > performance drop, keys sticking or not writing, screen darkening and > forever running hot. I've replaced it with a newer Acer Aspire 5155 > (AMD Athlon 64 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM). Problem: While the 3050 had a > Broadcom wifi card, and I'd finally discovered how to make the > restricted drivers work, the new 5155 has an Atheros wifi card, and > I'm lost again... I've loaded Ubuntu 8.04LTS (fresh load), and the > system says its using the Atheros restricted driver(s), but I'm not > even seeing a wifi light, much less connecting to anything. Wired > networking/internet runs just fine and everything else runs cherry. > Any suggestions? > > Cheers; > Ed From nathan at gvtc.com Thu Mar 12 21:05:48 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Thu Mar 12 21:05:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio Library San Pedro park Message-ID: <20090312190548.D9C83499@resin11.mta.everyone.net> While at the San Pedro Park branch library today I noticed that they have some computer classes they do for an hour or two several times a month. Does anybody have a contact at the library system that can find out what we would need to do to conduct a couple of classes for them on Cross Platform Open Source Software such as Open Office or FireFoX? We could then lead into doing some Linux presentation and even hold a meeting or two there as a back up to the SAC meetings for times like tonight when we could not get into the building. Nathan From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:25:47 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Mar 12 21:25:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio Library San Pedro park In-Reply-To: <20090312190548.D9C83499@resin11.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090312190548.D9C83499@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: I would be in favor of pursuing the idea of teaching some cross-platform software and Linux installation at the library. I did not get the word on no meeting tonight so I went down to SAC only to be locked out. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Nathan wrote: > While at the San Pedro Park branch library today I noticed that they have some computer classes they do for an hour or two several times a month. > > Does anybody have a contact at the library system that can find out what we would need to do to conduct a couple of classes for them on Cross Platform Open Source Software such as Open Office or FireFoX? ?We could then lead into doing some Linux presentation and even hold a meeting or two there as a back up to the SAC meetings for times like tonight when we could not get into the building. > > Nathan > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:54:37 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Mar 12 21:54:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation In-Reply-To: <49B9B7F9.4080701@sbcglobal.net> References: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> <49B9B7F9.4080701@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49B9CAED.4040803@gmail.com> Andrew Pickens wrote: > Because of my great ignorance, I hesitated to jump in, but, what the > heck. I spent all of last summer trying to get WiFi working on the > 64-bit version of Umbutu 8.04. Finally, someone on list (Jim) > suggested I try the 32-bit version. I did and the problem was solved. > Ndiswrapper wouldn't accept a 32-bit Win driver for a 64-bit program. For me, it didn't matter which Ubu I used -- tried 7.10/32bit, 8.04/32&64, and now 8.10/32. In the latter, I'm showing that the drivers are engaged and in use in the reserved hardware section, but no network tool shows a wifi card of any kind - not even iwconfig. Ubuntu web site says the ath5k driver may be blacklisted somewhere in the system. That's my next hunt, unless someone has a better idea... Cheers; Ed ========= > > Andy Pickens > > ed wrote: >> Hi folks... My current Acer Aspire 3050 laptop is dying - overall >> performance drop, keys sticking or not writing, screen darkening and >> forever running hot. I've replaced it with a newer Acer Aspire 5155 >> (AMD Athlon 64 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM). Problem: While the 3050 had a >> Broadcom wifi card, and I'd finally discovered how to make the >> restricted drivers work, the new 5155 has an Atheros wifi card, and >> I'm lost again... I've loaded Ubuntu 8.04LTS (fresh load), and the >> system says its using the Atheros restricted driver(s), but I'm not >> even seeing a wifi light, much less connecting to anything. Wired >> networking/internet runs just fine and everything else runs cherry. >> Any suggestions? >> >> Cheers; >> Ed From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 12 22:54:34 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Mar 12 22:54:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio Library San Pedro park In-Reply-To: References: <20090312190548.D9C83499@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <6oljr4t4spfvr0nvm9vv7grv3ih122buh0@4ax.com> Howard Haradon wrote: >I would be in favor of pursuing the idea of teaching some >cross-platform software and Linux installation at the library. Yes, this sounds like a worthwhile project/outreach. (And another place to wear the SATLUG shirts.) >I did not get the word on no meeting tonight so I went down >to SAC only to be locked out. There was no word. The five (including a first-time attendee) who stood at the NTC door in the cold until a bit after 7:00 had no complaints about the parking. (Everything else....) --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From scs at worldlinkisp.com Thu Mar 12 23:12:50 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Thu Mar 12 23:12:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation Message-ID: >I'm showing that the drivers are engaged and in use in the reserved >hardware section, but no network tool shows a wifi card of any kind >- not even iwconfig. Ubuntu web site says the ath5k driver may be >blacklisted somewhere in the system. That's my next hunt, unless >someone has a better idea... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Since you originally said the wifi indicator is not illuminated, then it does not have the correct driver loaded...< lsmod > will verify this..Without a correct driver loaded then the Network tool will not see a wifi card, and iwconfig is futile...Once the correct driver is found and loaded, then you will be able to configure it. Lou From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 00:27:26 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Mar 13 00:27:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi drivers RESOLVED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B9EEBE.4080109@gmail.com> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> I'm showing that the drivers are engaged and in use in the reserved >> hardware section, but no network tool shows a wifi card of any kind >> - not even iwconfig. Ubuntu web site says the ath5k driver may be >> blacklisted somewhere in the system. That's my next hunt, unless >> someone has a better idea... >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Since you originally said the wifi indicator is not illuminated, then it does > not have the correct driver loaded...< lsmod > will verify this..Without > a correct driver loaded then the Network tool will not see a wifi card, > and iwconfig is futile...Once the correct driver is found and loaded, then > you will be able to configure it. Lou > > Actually, both conditions are true: I didn't have the right drivers loaded, but, now, wifi works but the light still doesn't come on. Go figure... One more Google search and one more Ubuntu page, and I finally discovered that the Atheros 2x2x drivers won't cut it in 8.10, but the newer 5xxx drivers do. Been happily cruising the web for the last hour on the new bird with wifi... Cheers; Ed From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 00:29:48 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Mar 13 00:29:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] San Antonio Library San Pedro park In-Reply-To: <6oljr4t4spfvr0nvm9vv7grv3ih122buh0@4ax.com> References: <20090312190548.D9C83499@resin11.mta.everyone.net> <6oljr4t4spfvr0nvm9vv7grv3ih122buh0@4ax.com> Message-ID: <49B9EF4C.4040901@gmail.com> Don Wright wrote: > Howard Haradon wrote: > > >> I would be in favor of pursuing the idea of teaching some >> cross-platform software and Linux installation at the library. >> > > Yes, this sounds like a worthwhile project/outreach. (And another place > to wear the SATLUG shirts.) > > > >> I did not get the word on no meeting tonight so I went down >> to SAC only to be locked out. >> > > There was no word. The five (including a first-time attendee) who stood > at the NTC door in the cold until a bit after 7:00 had no complaints > about the parking. (Everything else....) --Don > I went there, myself tonight -- a bit late, but bearing my new machine and my pizza contribution. Same story -- locked out in the rain... (And I don't get to come to these often due to teaching conflicts...) >sigh< Cheers; Ed From j at jvpappas.net Fri Mar 13 09:46:52 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Mar 13 09:46:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4c0ec4450903130746m30a45ef1j9c930b14054db3e4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 19:22, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > the new 5155 has an Atheros wifi card, and I'm lost again... > >I've loaded Ubuntu 8.04LTS (fresh load), and the system > >says its using the Atheros restricted driver(s), but I'm not > >even seeing a wifi light, much less connecting to anything. > >Wired networking/internet runs just fine and everything else > >runs cherry. Any suggestions? > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Could be something simple, Atheros is a good chipset, but you > need to provide more info (sort of like saying I have a European > car, not specific). Do a CL < lspci -n > and ID the chipset for > us. > Verify that the `lspci -n` lists the card. Agree with Lou here, please send the Vendor:Device combo, or verify that the ath5k driver will list it. IME each drivers' source has a enum list of ID strings for the devices that it supports, and occasionally (I have delt with this regularly with 3G/GPRS/EVDO "Air" Cards, as the drivers do not often include the newer devices, so that the driver will not load since it does not "recognize" the device, so hack/recompile driver source is required untill the distro updates it kernel and drivers. Also, what network manager are you using? I'm not a Unbutu > user, but there several on list, and with full info can and > will help. Am sure you've checked all simple things, like > Network preference settings, ID'ing your wifi card (wlan0)? Check your /etc/modprobe.conf and/or the /etc/modprobe.d/* files (blacklist, module-renames, unsupported*) to make sure that the proper alias is defined. Sometimes, you need to `ifconfig wlan0 up` explicitly before your iw* tools will "see" it. HTH, jp From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Mar 13 11:07:56 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Mar 13 11:07:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation In-Reply-To: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> References: <49B961D3.5000003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236960476.25434.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 14:26 -0500, ed wrote: > Hi folks... My current Acer Aspire 3050 laptop is dying - overall > performance drop, keys sticking or not writing, screen darkening and > forever running hot. got a question have you ever taken apart you laptop and cleaned out all of the dust build up...a little maintenance and you still might get some life out of her Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Mar 13 11:11:48 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Mar 13 11:11:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] any have any ddr400 lying around Message-ID: <1236960708.25434.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> OMG has anyone noticed how the price of ddr ram has recently skyrocketed. I am looking for a pair of ddr400 single sided ram sticks preferably 1 gig pairs but will consider 512 mb. If so please contact me off list Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Mar 13 11:20:27 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Mar 13 11:20:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] any have any ddr400 lying around In-Reply-To: <1236960708.25434.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1236960708.25434.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1236961227.25434.7.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> forgot to mention i am interested in a trade. I have 2 1 gig double sided sticks. Todd On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 11:11 -0500, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > OMG has anyone noticed how the price of ddr ram has recently > skyrocketed. > > I am looking for a pair of ddr400 single sided ram sticks preferably 1 > gig pairs but will consider 512 mb. > > If so please contact me off list > Todd > From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:06:40 2009 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:06:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free digital subscription to Linux Pro magazine Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:18:42 2009 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:18:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free digital subscription to Linux Pro magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 From wn5pmr at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:19:23 2009 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:19:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free digital subscription to Linux Pro magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BAE9FB.7070306@gmail.com> Benjamin Temple wrote: > Interesting Subject, but nothing more ? Mike WN5PMR From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 13 18:42:55 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:42:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free digital subscription to Linux Pro magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe an attachment being removed by the list software. --Don On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:06:40 -0400, Benjamin Temple wrote: > > > -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From gregswift at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:56:25 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:56:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450903130746m30a45ef1j9c930b14054db3e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450903130746m30a45ef1j9c930b14054db3e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70903131656v1f7dba93l89067b56727dad96@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 09:46, John Pappas wrote: > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 19:22, scs@worldlinkisp.com >wrote: > > > > the new 5155 has an Atheros wifi card, and I'm lost again... > > >I've loaded Ubuntu 8.04LTS (fresh load), and the system > > >says its using the Atheros restricted driver(s), but I'm not > > >even seeing a wifi light, much less connecting to anything. > > >Wired networking/internet runs just fine and everything else > > >runs cherry. Any suggestions? > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Could be something simple, Atheros is a good chipset, but you > > need to provide more info (sort of like saying I have a European > > car, not specific). Do a CL < lspci -n > and ID the chipset for > > us. > > > > Verify that the `lspci -n` lists the card. Agree with Lou here, please > send > the Vendor:Device combo, or verify that the ath5k driver will list it. IME > each drivers' source has a enum list of ID strings for the devices that it > supports, and occasionally (I have delt with this regularly with > 3G/GPRS/EVDO "Air" Cards, as the drivers do not often include the newer > devices, so that the driver will not load since it does not "recognize" the > device, so hack/recompile driver source is required untill the distro > updates it kernel and drivers. to further expand the specific outputs that would be nice are: lspci | grep Network lsmod | grep ath I'm running Fedora 10 and I've got a Netgear Wireless-N card that has the AR5008 chipset. The driver i'm using is the ath9k, it has occasional connect isues, but a quick reload of the driver fixes that (which i've a small script and button to do, and the svn NetworkManager helped it happen less). From gregswift at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 18:58:53 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Fri Mar 13 18:58:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Atheros wifi driver installation In-Reply-To: <4e3f91d70903131656v1f7dba93l89067b56727dad96@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450903130746m30a45ef1j9c930b14054db3e4@mail.gmail.com> <4e3f91d70903131656v1f7dba93l89067b56727dad96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70903131658s754ce30djcbc4b4db85780df@mail.gmail.com> nm... just saw the separate thread where its fixed.. ;) From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Fri Mar 13 23:29:15 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Fri Mar 13 23:29:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... Message-ID: For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from one version to another in the same flavor? Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. God Bless, Love Richard and Dorothy http://www.kevinspitcrew.com From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Mar 14 07:02:22 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Mar 14 07:02:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BB9CCE.3070603@suddenlink.net> Richard Suberg wrote: > For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from one > version to another in the same flavor? Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without > having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. > > > > God Bless, > > Love > > Richard and Dorothy > > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > I believe what you seek is found in the phrase: apt-get upgrade distro peace, Dennis From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Mar 14 07:03:28 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Mar 14 07:03:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49BB9D10.6070504@suddenlink.net> Richard Suberg wrote: > For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from one > version to another in the same flavor? Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without > having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. > > > > God Bless, > > Love > > Richard and Dorothy > > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > Oh yes, do be careful, no gaurantees implied, and your milage may vary. Peace, Dennis From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sat Mar 14 08:57:46 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Sat Mar 14 08:58:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: <49BB9D10.6070504@suddenlink.net> References: <49BB9D10.6070504@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks, all I have to do is copy the dir structure to somewhere else and presto! My entire Linux setup is backed up. (due to the screwy way that wubi creates the directories for Linux). Tree: ? Uninstall-Ubuntu.exe ? Ubuntu.ico ? metadl_log.txt ? curl_log.txt ? wubi.exe ? +---disks ? ? root.disk ? ? home.disk ? ? swap.disk ? ? usr.disk ? ? ? +---boot ? ? ? System.map-2.6.27-7-generic ? ? ? abi-2.6.27-7-generic ? ? ? config-2.6.27-7-generic ? ? ? memtest86+.bin ? ? ? vmcoreinfo-2.6.27-7-generic ? ? ? vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic ? ? ? initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic ? ? ? ? ? L---grub ? ? device.map ? ? default ? ? menu.lst ? ? menu.lst~ ? ? ? L---shared +---docs L---winboot menu.lst wubildr wubildr.exe wubildr.mbr Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Myhand Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:03 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... Richard Suberg wrote: > For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from one > version to another in the same flavor? Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without > having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. > I believe what you seek is found in the phrase: apt-get upgrade distro Oh yes, do be careful, no gaurantees implied, and your milage may vary. Peace, Dennis -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2000 - Release Date: 03/13/09 18:00:00 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 11:02:26 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Mar 14 11:02:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: <49BB9D10.6070504@suddenlink.net> References: <49BB9D10.6070504@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <49BBD512.4020709@gmail.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > Richard Suberg wrote: >> For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade >> from one >> version to another in the same flavor? Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without >> having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. > Oh yes, do be careful, no gaurantees implied, and your milage may vary. > Peace, Dennis Yes, there may be problems. For instance, I use both Nvidia and VMWare. I have to rebuild the drivers manually every time I upgrade the kernel. I doubt any distro handles proprietary drivers automatically. I could be wrong though. -- Bruce From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 11:08:36 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Mar 14 11:08:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: <49BBD512.4020709@gmail.com> References: <49BB9D10.6070504@suddenlink.net> <49BBD512.4020709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0903140908s5a0c662ax56286810f492a159@mail.gmail.com> Ubuntu has DKMS (Dynamic Kernel Module Support) that makes stuff like Nvidia nearly trivial to install and keep up to date. I run Jaunty on my T61 and it builds fine, though there is some quirk with the Nvidia chipset in the laptop that I haven't quite figured out yet. Building manually gives the same results as DKMS, so I'm pretty sure its a bug with the driver from Nvidia. -Henryj On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Dennis Myhand wrote: >> >> Richard Suberg wrote: >>> >>> For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from >>> one >>> version to another in the same flavor? ?Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without >>> having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. > >> Oh yes, do be careful, no gaurantees implied, and your milage may vary. >> ?Peace, Dennis > > Yes, there may be problems. ?For instance, I use both Nvidia and VMWare. ?I > have to rebuild the drivers manually every time I upgrade the kernel. ?I > doubt any distro handles proprietary drivers automatically. ? I could be > wrong though. > > ?-- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Mar 14 11:17:08 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Mar 14 11:17:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: References: <49BB9D10.6070504@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <49BBD884.6050808@suddenlink.net> Yeah. Some things are a bit odd. I don't mean to start a flame war here but give thank God you are using apt. I have spent the last week working with an rpm system (centOS 5.2) and it has been extremely frustrating trying to work with an rpm based distro again. Richard Suberg wrote: > Thanks, all I have to do is copy the dir structure to somewhere else and > presto! My entire Linux setup is backed up. (due to the screwy way that > wubi creates the directories for Linux). > > Tree: > ? Uninstall-Ubuntu.exe > ? Ubuntu.ico > ? metadl_log.txt > ? curl_log.txt > ? wubi.exe > ? > +---disks > ? ? root.disk > ? ? home.disk > ? ? swap.disk > ? ? usr.disk > ? ? > ? +---boot > ? ? ? System.map-2.6.27-7-generic > ? ? ? abi-2.6.27-7-generic > ? ? ? config-2.6.27-7-generic > ? ? ? memtest86+.bin > ? ? ? vmcoreinfo-2.6.27-7-generic > ? ? ? vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic > ? ? ? initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic > ? ? ? > ? ? L---grub > ? ? device.map > ? ? default > ? ? menu.lst > ? ? menu.lst~ > ? ? > ? L---shared > +---docs > L---winboot > menu.lst > wubildr > wubildr.exe > wubildr.mbr > > Richard > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf > Of Dennis Myhand > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:03 AM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... > > Richard Suberg wrote: >> For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from > one >> version to another in the same flavor? Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without >> having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. >> > > I believe what you seek is found in the phrase: > > apt-get upgrade distro > > > Oh yes, do be careful, no gaurantees implied, and your milage may vary. > Peace, Dennis > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00 > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Mar 14 11:39:43 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Mar 14 11:39:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux Message-ID: <200903141639.n2EGdhKa027665@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Dear Satluggers: Please excuse my extreme ignorance about all matters Ipod/Itunes/I*... My daughter wants to use "Itunes" on the web to download songs to her Samsung T1O mp3 player. We have linux computers at home, and I found a Linux app called "Gnomad Ipod" that does a reasonable job in synching the T10 to whatever I have on disk. Here is my question: Once I have an account on Itunes, I am presumably able to download songs from the web for a small fee, right? Do I need to have any special software just to download? Once I download, what format are the song files in? Are they MP3 or some digital rights protected encryption? For me, the easiest would be to have an app that would convert whatever I download to mp3 and then put it on my daughters T10 using the "Gnomad Ipod" software. Is this a reasonable approach to this problem? Any other suggestions? I also would like to know about alternatives to Itunes, free or commercial. Suggestions welcome! Thanks, -Borries From rjw6844 at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 12:14:00 2009 From: rjw6844 at gmail.com (rjw6844@gmail.com) Date: Sat Mar 14 12:12:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <200903141639.n2EGdhKa027665@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903141639.n2EGdhKa027665@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <423218282-1237050776-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116303748-@bxe1163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I use gtkpod instead of itunes and download mp3's from amazon. They don't have any special encoding I know of. Amarok in kde works well with the older generation ipods. Robert Waldo Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Borries Demeler Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:39:43 To: Satlug Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux Dear Satluggers: Please excuse my extreme ignorance about all matters Ipod/Itunes/I*... My daughter wants to use "Itunes" on the web to download songs to her Samsung T1O mp3 player. We have linux computers at home, and I found a Linux app called "Gnomad Ipod" that does a reasonable job in synching the T10 to whatever I have on disk. Here is my question: Once I have an account on Itunes, I am presumably able to download songs from the web for a small fee, right? Do I need to have any special software just to download? Once I download, what format are the song files in? Are they MP3 or some digital rights protected encryption? For me, the easiest would be to have an app that would convert whatever I download to mp3 and then put it on my daughters T10 using the "Gnomad Ipod" software. Is this a reasonable approach to this problem? Any other suggestions? I also would like to know about alternatives to Itunes, free or commercial. Suggestions welcome! Thanks, -Borries -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From scrandall at jw.com Sat Mar 14 13:01:00 2009 From: scrandall at jw.com (Crandall, Sean) Date: Sat Mar 14 13:01:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <423218282-1237050776-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116303748-@bxe1163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <200903141639.n2EGdhKa027665@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <423218282-1237050776-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116303748-@bxe1163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A0684F716@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> I second Amazon. They have a lot of the same music as iTunes, it's all 256K plain vanilla mp3, and many songs cost up to 20 cents less than they do on iTunes. With iTunes, even the non-DRM "iTunes+" stuff is in some kind of proprietary format. You can at least convert those to mp3, but why mess with the extra step? Sean C. Crandall Registered Patent Attorney Jackson Walker L.L.P. 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 San Antonio, Texas 78205 Phone: (210) 978.7714 Fax: (210) 242.4656 email: scrandall@jw.com > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of rjw6844@gmail.com > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:14 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux > > I use gtkpod instead of itunes and download mp3's from > amazon. They don't have any special encoding I know of. > Amarok in kde works well with the older generation ipods. > Robert Waldo > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Borries Demeler > > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:39:43 > To: Satlug Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux > > > Dear Satluggers: > > Please excuse my extreme ignorance about all > matters Ipod/Itunes/I*... > > My daughter wants to use "Itunes" on the web to download songs to her > Samsung T1O mp3 player. We have linux computers at home, and > I found a Linux app called > "Gnomad Ipod" that does a reasonable job in synching the T10 > to whatever I have on > disk. Here is my question: Once I have an account on Itunes, > I am presumably > able to download songs from the web for a small fee, right? > Do I need to have > any special software just to download? Once I download, what > format are the song files > in? Are they MP3 or some digital rights protected encryption? > For me, the easiest > would be to have an app that would convert whatever I > download to mp3 and then > put it on my daughters T10 using the "Gnomad Ipod" software. > Is this a reasonable > approach to this problem? Any other suggestions? I also would > like to know about > alternatives to Itunes, free or commercial. Suggestions welcome! > > Thanks, -Borries > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Mar 14 14:07:08 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Mar 14 14:07:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <200903141639.n2EGdhKa027665@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903141639.n2EGdhKa027665@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49BC005C.60609@shub-internet.org> on 3/14/09 11:39 AM, Borries Demeler said: > My daughter wants to use "Itunes" on the web to download songs to her > Samsung T1O mp3 player. We have linux computers at home, and I found a Linux app called > "Gnomad Ipod" that does a reasonable job in synching the T10 to whatever I have on > disk. Here is my question: Once I have an account on Itunes, I am presumably > able to download songs from the web for a small fee, right? Nope. Your only interface is the iTunes program, which is only available on Mac OS X and Windows. No other OSes supported. You can pay to download AAC or ALAC encoded audio files that have been fingerprinted with your e-mail address and account information (in case you decide to share them with anyone). And you're going to have a tougher time sync'ing that to your iPod if you're not using the real-deal iTunes program. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 14:20:24 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Mar 14 14:20:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free digital subscription to Linux Pro magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903141420.25136.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 13 March 2009 18:06:40 Benjamin Temple wrote: > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. > http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > What the hell does that have to do with Linux Pro Magazine? WTF?? From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Mar 14 19:07:44 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Mar 14 19:07:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <423218282-1237050776-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116303748-@bxe1163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200903150007.n2F07iP2008803@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Thanks everyone for your suggestions - haven't been able to get the Linux programs to talk the T10, the amarok software detects the T10, but can't read the media for some reason. My gnomad2 segfaults after connecting to the T10, and gtkpod seems to be for ipods only. Thanks also for the tip about Amazon - showed it to my daughter and she is happy now, no longer a need for itunes :-) Thanks, -Borries From kreed at kreed.org Sun Mar 15 11:46:20 2009 From: kreed at kreed.org (Chris Eby) Date: Sun Mar 15 11:46:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <200903150007.n2F07iP2008803@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <423218282-1237050776-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1116303748-@bxe1163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <200903150007.n2F07iP2008803@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4d9a1af00903150946j71182182vc3650fffda080357@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Borries Demeler < demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > Thanks everyone for your suggestions - haven't been able to > get the Linux programs to talk the T10, the amarok software > detects the T10, but can't read the media for some reason. > My gnomad2 segfaults after connecting to the T10, and gtkpod > seems to be for ipods only. > > Thanks also for the tip about Amazon - showed it to my daughter > and she is happy now, no longer a need for itunes :-) > > Thanks, -Borries > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Some quick googling yielded that the T10 is an MTP device. It should work if you have a recent version of libmtp. You could try updating that. It could also be a problem with Amarok. Have you tried Rhythmbox or Banshee (or any other music player that claims MTP support)? From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Mar 15 13:01:44 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Mar 15 13:01:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <4d9a1af00903150946j71182182vc3650fffda080357@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903151801.n2FI1i0L029669@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Some quick googling yielded that the T10 is an MTP device. It should work if > you have a recent version of libmtp. You could try updating that. I did that, and it helped somewhat - but the connectivity to the T10 is still pretty useless - there still are crashes. Also, I tried gnomad2 and it also crashes under certain circumstances. I wonder whatelse is wrong. > It could also be a problem with Amarok. Have you tried Rhythmbox or Banshee > (or any other music player that claims MTP support)? rhythmbox doesn't start up, instead I get an error message: rhythmbox: undefined symbol: GST_CAT_DEFAULT Similar errors come from banshee (see below). I wonder what package I need to supply these symbols? Thanks, -b. (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg2dec.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg2dec.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgnl.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgnl.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg2enc.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg2enc.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstwavpack.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstwavpack.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstreplaygain.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstreplaygain.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbayer.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbayer.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstalaw.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstalaw.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstid3demux.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstid3demux.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfilter.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfilter.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmusepack.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmusepack.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsteffectv.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsteffectv.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvmnc.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvmnc.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg4videoparse.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg4videoparse.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstqtdemux.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstqtdemux.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstflump3dec.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstflump3dec.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfestival.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfestival.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgststereo.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgststereo.so: undefined symbol: _gst_debug_register_funcptr (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstapp.so': /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so.0: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstasf.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstasf.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstavi.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstavi.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdv.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdv.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbz2.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbz2.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideoflip.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideoflip.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsta52dec.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsta52dec.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeed.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeed.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdvb.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdvb.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeex.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeex.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstiec958.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstiec958.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstsndfile.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstsndfile.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstesd.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstesd.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min From rjw6844 at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 13:18:55 2009 From: rjw6844 at gmail.com (Robert Waldo) Date: Sun Mar 15 13:18:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <200903151801.n2FI1i0L029669@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <4d9a1af00903150946j71182182vc3650fffda080357@mail.gmail.com> <200903151801.n2FI1i0L029669@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <703ba7320903151118u162bc491h6afdfae5196f3fc0@mail.gmail.com> They all seem to point to your gstreamer plug in. I would google that or look on your distro's forum because most likely some else is having the exact same problem. Did you look at this site for answers: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/ had a similiar problem with Amarok several years ago and found my answer on the Fedora Forum. Bob Waldo On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Borries Demeler < demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > Some quick googling yielded that the T10 is an MTP device. It should work > if > > you have a recent version of libmtp. You could try updating that. > > I did that, and it helped somewhat - but the connectivity to the T10 is > still pretty useless - there still are crashes. Also, I tried gnomad2 and > it also crashes under certain circumstances. I wonder whatelse is wrong. > > > It could also be a problem with Amarok. Have you tried Rhythmbox or > Banshee > > (or any other music player that claims MTP support)? > > rhythmbox doesn't start up, instead I get an error message: > > rhythmbox: undefined symbol: GST_CAT_DEFAULT > > Similar errors come from banshee (see below). I wonder what package I need > to > supply these symbols? > > Thanks, -b. > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg2dec.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg2dec.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgnl.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgnl.so: > undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg2enc.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg2enc.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstwavpack.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstwavpack.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstreplaygain.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstreplaygain.so: undefined symbol: > __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbayer.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbayer.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstalaw.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstalaw.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstid3demux.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstid3demux.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfilter.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfilter.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmusepack.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmusepack.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsteffectv.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsteffectv.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvmnc.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvmnc.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg4videoparse.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpeg4videoparse.so: undefined symbol: > __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstqtdemux.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstqtdemux.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstflump3dec.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstflump3dec.so: undefined symbol: > __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfestival.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstfestival.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgststereo.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgststereo.so: undefined symbol: > _gst_debug_register_funcptr > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so: undefined symbol: > __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstapp.so': /usr/lib/libgstapp-0.10.so.0: > undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstasf.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstasf.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstavi.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstavi.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdv.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdv.so: > undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbz2.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbz2.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideoflip.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideoflip.so: undefined symbol: > __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsta52dec.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsta52dec.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeed.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeed.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdvb.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdvb.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeex.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeex.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstiec958.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstiec958.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstsndfile.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstsndfile.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > (Banshee:20090): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin > '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstesd.so': > /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstesd.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Laughter is the closest distance between two people. - Victor Borge From edcoates at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 16:33:05 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Mar 15 16:33:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ee65edd0903151433t5669f8d0y8f02a6c7872e5a5a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Richard Suberg wrote: > For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from one > version to another in the same flavor? ?Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without > having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. > > > > God Bless, > > Love > > Richard and Dorothy Richard, Here is a link that can help you in upgrading. It's for upgrading to 8.10, but should work no matter what. Be forewarned. I would check out the ubuntu forums for a week or two after a new release comes out to see if there were any major bugs or problems. When the 8.10 update first came out, there were a lot of problems that people were having with Nvidia drivers, if I remember correctly. Secondly, I just checked Ubuntu's webiste, and they only have 8.10 and 8.04 listed as downloads. Has 9.04 become available? Ed From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Mar 15 18:25:58 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Mar 15 18:26:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <703ba7320903151118u162bc491h6afdfae5196f3fc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903152325.n2FNPwJS007457@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > They all seem to point to your gstreamer plug in. I would google that or > look on your distro's forum because most likely some else is having the > exact same problem. Did you look at this site for answers: > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/ had a similiar problem with Amarok > several years ago and found my answer on the Fedora Forum. > > Bob Waldo Thanks, I tried it, but I'm still having problems with this - I tried to compile banshee from scratch, now I get: banshee-1 Unhandled Exception: System.Exception: Unable to open the session message bus. ---> System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null. Parameter name: address at NDesk.DBus.Bus.Open (System.String address) [0x00000] at NDesk.DBus.Bus.get_Session () [0x00000] --- End of inner exception stack trace --- at NDesk.DBus.Bus.get_Session () [0x00000] at Banshee.ServiceStack.DBusConnection.get_ApplicationInstanceAlreadyRunning () [0x00000] at Booter.Booter.Main () [0x00000] not sure what to do about this one....? -Borries From kreed at kreed.org Sun Mar 15 18:58:21 2009 From: kreed at kreed.org (Chris Eby) Date: Sun Mar 15 18:58:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <200903152325.n2FNPwJS007457@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <703ba7320903151118u162bc491h6afdfae5196f3fc0@mail.gmail.com> <200903152325.n2FNPwJS007457@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4d9a1af00903151658g69fb87f9sc48a844a057b3518@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Borries Demeler wrote: > banshee-1 > > Unhandled Exception: System.Exception: Unable to open the session message bus. ---> System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null. > Parameter name: address > ?at NDesk.DBus.Bus.Open (System.String address) [0x00000] > ?at NDesk.DBus.Bus.get_Session () [0x00000] --- End of inner exception stack trace --- > > ?at NDesk.DBus.Bus.get_Session () [0x00000] > ?at Banshee.ServiceStack.DBusConnection.get_ApplicationInstanceAlreadyRunning () [0x00000] > ?at Booter.Booter.Main () [0x00000] > > > not sure what to do about this one....? It looks like dbus isn't running or it isn't setting the environment variables which say it's running. Try dbus-launch banshee-1 From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:58:35 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Mar 15 18:58:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <200903152325.n2FNPwJS007457@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903152325.n2FNPwJS007457@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <200903151858.35736.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 15 March 2009 18:25:58 Borries Demeler wrote: > > > > They all seem to point to your gstreamer plug in. I would google that or > > look on your distro's forum because most likely some else is having the > > exact same problem. Did you look at this site for answers: > > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/ had a similiar problem with Amarok > > several years ago and found my answer on the Fedora Forum. > > > > Bob Waldo > > Thanks, I tried it, but I'm still having problems with this - I tried to > compile banshee from scratch, now I get: > > banshee-1 > > Unhandled Exception: System.Exception: Unable to open the session message bus. ---> System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null. > Parameter name: address > at NDesk.DBus.Bus.Open (System.String address) [0x00000] > at NDesk.DBus.Bus.get_Session () [0x00000] --- End of inner exception stack trace --- > > at NDesk.DBus.Bus.get_Session () [0x00000] > at Banshee.ServiceStack.DBusConnection.get_ApplicationInstanceAlreadyRunning () [0x00000] > at Booter.Booter.Main () [0x00000] > > > not sure what to do about this one....? > > -Borries I found this on google. Try the following: Re: Cannot start Banshee 1.4.1 Error by Wouter Bolsterlee Dec 02, 2008; 01:25pm :: Rate this Message: - Use ratings to moderate (?) Reply | Reply to Author | Print | View Threaded | Show Only this Message 2008-12-02 klockan 19:39 skrev Juergen: > But now, since a few days, it's not working anymore. > If I try to start banshee from the console I get the following error message >> $ banshee-1 >> Unhandled Exception: System.Exception: Unable to open the session message >> bus. ---> System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null. Do you have a DBus session bus running? What does... $ echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS ...tell you? If it's empty, try this: $ dbus-launch --exit-with-session banshee -1 ...and see if that works. If so, it is a DBus-related issue, not a Banshee issue. ? Wouter -- :wq From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Mar 15 19:10:08 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Mar 15 19:10:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Itunes + Linux In-Reply-To: <4d9a1af00903151658g69fb87f9sc48a844a057b3518@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903160010.n2G0A8Qv008649@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Borries Demeler > wrote: > > banshee-1 > > > > Unhandled Exception: System.Exception: Unable to open the session message= > bus. ---> System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null. > > Parameter name: address > > =C2=A0at NDesk.DBus.Bus.Open (System.String address) [0x00000] > > =C2=A0at NDesk.DBus.Bus.get_Session () [0x00000] --- End of inner excepti= > on stack trace --- > > > > =C2=A0at NDesk.DBus.Bus.get_Session () [0x00000] > > =C2=A0at Banshee.ServiceStack.DBusConnection.get_ApplicationInstanceAlrea= > dyRunning () [0x00000] > > =C2=A0at Booter.Booter.Main () [0x00000] > > > > > > not sure what to do about this one....? > > It looks like dbus isn't running or it isn't setting the environment > variables which say it's running. Try dbus-launch banshee-1 Did that, I get the following on stderr: (Banshee:15974): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgst1394.so': libraw1394.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory (Banshee:15974): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstx264.so': libx264.so.58: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory (Banshee:15974): GStreamer-WARNING **: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstneonhttpsrc.so': libneon.so.26: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory (Banshee:15960): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_origin: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed Then I get the following on stdout: [Info 19:07:45.651] Running Banshee 1.4.3: [source-tarball (linux-gnu, i686) @ 2009-03-15 18:21:22 CDT] [Warn 19:07:45.888] DBus support could not be started. Disabling for this session. [Warn 19:07:46.360] Hardware manager extension failed to load - Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. [Warn 19:07:46.360] Service `Banshee.Hardware.HardwareManager' not started: No HardwareManager extensions could be loaded. Hardware support will be disabled. [Warn 19:07:46.367] Caught an exception - No HardwareManager extensions could be loaded. Hardware support will be disabled. (in `Banshee.Services') at Banshee.Hardware.HardwareManager..ctor () [0x00000] at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:InternalInvoke (object,object[]) at System.Reflection.MonoCMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00000] [Warn 19:07:46.810] Service `Nereid.PlayerInterface' not started: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Banshee.Collection.Gui.ColumnCellAlbum [Warn 19:07:46.811] Caught an exception - Object reference not set to an instance of an object (in `Hyena.Gui') at Hyena.Gui.PixbufImageSurface..ctor (Gdk.Pixbuf pixbuf, Boolean disposePixbuf) [0x00000] at Hyena.Gui.PixbufImageSurface..ctor (Gdk.Pixbuf pixbuf) [0x00000] at Banshee.Collection.Gui.ColumnCellAlbum..cctor () [0x00000] An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Banshee.Collection.Gui.ColumnCellAlbum (in `Banshee.ThickClient') at Banshee.Collection.Gui.AlbumListView..ctor () [0x00000] at Banshee.Sources.Gui.CompositeTrackSourceContents.InitializeViews () [0x00000] at Banshee.Sources.Gui.FilteredListSourceContents..ctor (System.String name) [0x00000] at Banshee.Sources.Gui.CompositeTrackSourceContents..ctor () [0x00000] at Nereid.PlayerInterface.BuildViews () [0x00000] at Nereid.PlayerInterface.BuildPrimaryLayout () [0x00000] at Nereid.PlayerInterface.Initialize () [0x00000] at Banshee.Gui.BaseClientWindow.InitializeWindow () [0x00000] at Banshee.Gui.BaseClientWindow..ctor (System.String title, System.String configNameSpace, Int32 defaultWidth, Int32 defaultHeight) [0x00000] at Nereid.PlayerInterface..ctor () [0x00000] at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:InternalInvoke (object,object[]) at System.Reflection.MonoCMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00000] [Warn 19:07:46.863] Caught an exception - No support GNOME Settings Daemon could be reached. (in `Banshee.MultimediaKeys') at Banshee.MultimediaKeys.MultimediaKeysService.Banshee.ServiceStack.IExtensionService.Initialize () [0x00000] at Banshee.ServiceStack.ServiceManager.StartExtension (Mono.Addins.TypeExtensionNode node) [0x00000] [Warn 19:07:46.863] Extension `Banshee.MultimediaKeys.MultimediaKeysService' not started: No support GNOME Settings Daemon could be reached. [Warn 19:07:46.936] Caught an exception - Object reference not set to an instance of an object (in `Banshee.AudioCd') at Banshee.AudioCd.AudioCdService.Initialize () [0x00000] at Banshee.ServiceStack.ServiceManager.StartExtension (Mono.Addins.TypeExtensionNode node) [0x00000] [Warn 19:07:46.936] Extension `Banshee.AudioCd.AudioCdService' not started: Object reference not set to an instance of an object [Warn 19:07:46.971] Cannot connect to NetworkManager - An available, working network connection will be assumed [Warn 19:07:47.480] Caught an exception - No support GNOME Settings Daemon could be reached. (in `Banshee.MultimediaKeys') at Banshee.MultimediaKeys.MultimediaKeysService.Banshee.ServiceStack.IExtensionService.Initialize () [0x00000] at Banshee.ServiceStack.ServiceManager.StartExtension (Mono.Addins.TypeExtensionNode node) [0x00000] [Warn 19:07:47.480] Extension `Banshee.MultimediaKeys.MultimediaKeysService' not started: No support GNOME Settings Daemon could be reached. [Warn 19:07:47.481] Caught an exception - Object reference not set to an instance of an object (in `Banshee.AudioCd') at Banshee.AudioCd.AudioCdService.Initialize () [0x00000] at Banshee.ServiceStack.ServiceManager.StartExtension (Mono.Addins.TypeExtensionNode node) [0x00000] [Warn 19:07:47.481] Extension `Banshee.AudioCd.AudioCdService' not started: Object reference not set to an instance of an object [Info 19:07:47.482] All services are started 1.592527s [Info 19:07:47.716] GNOME screensaver service not found [Info 19:07:47.886] nereid Client Started [Warn 19:07:51.630] Failed to start DAAP client - No Zeroconf providers could be found or initialized. Necessary daemon may not be running. (in `Mono.Zeroconf') at Mono.Zeroconf.Providers.ProviderFactory.GetProviders () [0x00000] at Mono.Zeroconf.Providers.ProviderFactory.get_DefaultProvider () [0x00000] at Mono.Zeroconf.Providers.ProviderFactory.get_SelectedProvider () [0x00000] at Mono.Zeroconf.ServiceBrowser..ctor () [0x00000] at Daap.ServiceLocator.Start () [0x00000] at Banshee.Daap.DaapService.DelayedInitializeTimeout () [0x00000] dbus seems to be running: ps ax | grep dbus 8176 ? S 0:00 dbus-launch --autolaunch 943f78fa9906d0655665c7d049ab578b --binary-syntax --close-stderr 8177 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session 15862 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session 15894 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session 15956 pts/6 S+ 0:00 grep dbus Any other suggestions? Thanks guys! -Borries From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 19:15:36 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sun Mar 15 19:15:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0903151433t5669f8d0y8f02a6c7872e5a5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0903151433t5669f8d0y8f02a6c7872e5a5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BD9A28.4080909@gmail.com> Ed Coates wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Richard Suberg wrote: > >> For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from one >> version to another in the same flavor? Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without >> having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. >> >> >> >> God Bless, >> >> Love >> >> Richard and Dorothy >> > > Richard, > > Here is a link that can help you in upgrading. It's for upgrading to > 8.10, but should work no matter what. Be forewarned. I would check > out the ubuntu forums for a week or two after a new release comes out > to see if there were any major bugs or problems. When the 8.10 update > first came out, there were a lot of problems that people were having > with Nvidia drivers, if I remember correctly. > > Secondly, I just checked Ubuntu's webiste, and they only have 8.10 and > 8.04 listed as downloads. Has 9.04 become available? > > Ed > I believe Ubuntu 9.04beta, "Jaunty Jackalope" is available for downloading and testing... I'm not ready to go there yet though -- I've just, finally, done my first successful fresh-install of 8.10, and gotten it tweaked to my needs and comfort levels on my new Acer Aspire 5515 laptop (yeah, this one, with the two sets of Atheros wifi drivers...). I'm gonna stick with that for a while before upgrading... Cheers; ed From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sun Mar 15 22:49:27 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Sun Mar 15 22:50:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0903151433t5669f8d0y8f02a6c7872e5a5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee65edd0903151433t5669f8d0y8f02a6c7872e5a5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think it is only alpha, but this machine doesn't have much loaded on it yet, and I only found the alternate install iso. I am running the live on the alternate cd, to see if driver support for this old card works better (not out of the box). I am going to try some of the other installation information I received from y'all to see if it will work with it. If I can't get this card to work, guess I'll have to pull the box out and try a different video card. I have a few others to try. Once I get some decent graphics, I'll try some mythtv stuff and see if this tuner card I just picked up would do the trick. It has a BT848 chip on it - (I _think_ I saw something that said it was a good chip.) Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Ed Coates Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 4:33 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] For the bleeding edge.... On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Richard Suberg wrote: > For those that live on the bleeding edge, how do you easily upgrade from one > version to another in the same flavor? ?Ie ubuntu 8.10 -> 9.04 without > having to reload the entire system, as in do it within the system itself. > > > > God Bless, > > Love > > Richard and Dorothy Richard, Here is a link that can help you in upgrading. It's for upgrading to 8.10, but should work no matter what. Be forewarned. I would check out the ubuntu forums for a week or two after a new release comes out to see if there were any major bugs or problems. When the 8.10 update first came out, there were a lot of problems that people were having with Nvidia drivers, if I remember correctly. Secondly, I just checked Ubuntu's webiste, and they only have 8.10 and 8.04 listed as downloads. Has 9.04 become available? Ed -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 06:54:00 From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Mar 16 10:41:39 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Mar 16 10:41:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ntp-4.2.4p9 Message-ID: <179b5357a9a843d6bb359259796daa1c.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Anyone using ntp-4.2.4p6 ? Am interested if < cat /var/log/messages | grep ntpd > lists the ' Stratum Sever ' it syncronizes to, like ntp-4.2.4p0 does on my other desktops. Scanned the 4.2.4p6 change log and didn't see a mention of this, but my eyes aren't that good. TIA, Lou From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Mar 16 10:45:54 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Mar 16 10:45:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Correction ~ ntp-4.2.4p6 Message-ID: Correction; subject should be 4.2.4p6 vice 4.2.4p9 ------- Original Message ------- Anyone using ntp-4.2.4p6 ? Am interested if < cat /var/log/messages | grep ntpd > lists the ' Stratum Sever ' it syncronizes to, like ntp-4.2.4p0 does on my other desktops. Scanned the 4.2.4p6 change log and didn't see a mention of this, but my eyes aren't that good. TIA, Lou From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Mar 16 23:31:49 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Mar 16 23:31:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ntp-4.2.4p9 In-Reply-To: <179b5357a9a843d6bb359259796daa1c.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <179b5357a9a843d6bb359259796daa1c.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <49BF27B5.2000202@shub-internet.org> on 3/16/09 10:41 AM, scs@worldlinkisp.com said: > Anyone using ntp-4.2.4p6 ? The current production release is 4.2.4p6, so there shouldn't be any significant bugs. If there are, then the NTP developers need to hear about this as soon as possible. Towards that end, I would ask that you post this issue on the mailing list questions@ntp.org and as the ntp.org listmaster I'll make sure to keep an eye out for your message and make sure I approve it ASAP. In addition, you can hit our bug tracking system at and search to see if this is a known issue. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Mar 17 00:04:34 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue Mar 17 00:04:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ntp-4.2.4p6 (Resolved) Message-ID: <24e41f43009a4820b50ac60c2dd410d1.scs@worldlinkisp.com> > Anyone using ntp-4.2.4p6 ? The current production release is 4.2.4p6, so there shouldn't be any significant bugs. If there are, then the NTP developers need to hear about this as soon as possible. Towards that end, I would ask that you post this issue on the mailing list questions@ntp.org and as the ntp.org listmaster I'll make sure to keep an eye out for your message and make sure I approve it ASAP. ------------------------------------------------------- Just got it fixed, edited ntp.conf and commented out ' # noserve ' Didn't think about checking ntp.org, tired, will do so in the AM, been at this like a dog with a bone on and off all day. First time I've ever had a problem with ntp. Thanks, Lou From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed Mar 18 11:36:02 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed Mar 18 11:36:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Sun Microsystems (JAVA) Message-ID: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 18 12:01:42 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Mar 18 12:01:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Sun Microsystems (JAVA) In-Reply-To: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: Error No C0FFEE ? On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:36:02 -0400, "scs@worldlinkisp.com" wrote: -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed Mar 18 12:12:46 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Mar 18 12:12:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Sun Microsystems (JAVA) In-Reply-To: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <49C12B8E.6080405@suddenlink.net> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > I see absolutely nothing wrong with your Java statement, or your statement about Java. Peace, Dennis From jm at allensonthe.net Wed Mar 18 13:40:25 2009 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Wed Mar 18 13:40:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Sun Microsystems (JAVA) In-Reply-To: <49C12B8E.6080405@suddenlink.net> References: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <49C12B8E.6080405@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:12, Dennis Myhand wrote: > scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> >> > > I see absolutely nothing wrong with your Java statement, or your statement > about Java. ?Peace, Dennis > -- In fact, it is quite possibly the most perfect Java statement ever written... -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed Mar 18 13:52:58 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Mar 18 13:52:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Sun Microsystems (JAVA) In-Reply-To: References: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <49C12B8E.6080405@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <49C1430A.6040307@suddenlink.net> Jon Mark Allen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:12, Dennis Myhand wrote: >> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >>> >> I see absolutely nothing wrong with your Java statement, or your statement >> about Java. Peace, Dennis >> -- > > In fact, it is quite possibly the most perfect Java statement ever written... > > My student who keeps trying to relieve me of my copy of K&R would most definitely agree. From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed Mar 18 13:54:09 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Mar 18 13:54:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Sun Microsystems (JAVA) In-Reply-To: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <4a7fd7cf296a4a809d92d7850e07709a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <49C14351.7020200@suddenlink.net> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > Just out of curiosity, what was your question or statement? From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Wed Mar 18 19:05:57 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Wed Mar 18 18:06:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] fedora startup? Message-ID: I put the live cd of mythdora (fedora crossbred with mythtv) and the cd boots my 2nd pc. Put it in my first, and all I see is: Left on all day and still nothing. Cd works great, loads and everything on other pc. Don't know where to start. Loading vmlinuz0........ Loading intrd0.img.........ready. God Bless, Love Richard and Dorothy http://www.kevinspitcrew.com From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Mar 18 21:34:23 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Mar 18 21:34:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] fedora startup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903182134.23651.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> I just nuked my mythdora install.. it's terrible... Don't bother with it. Have you ever tried to get package support a year after you install Fedora? Well yeah.. imagine that but 10 times worse for mythdora. I strongly recommend checking out Mythbunu.. or even better.. just do a straight up Ubuntu install.. and then "apt-get install mythtv". Much better.. Plus you can still do all the fancy Ubuntu install stuff like SW RAID and LVM. Very nice. Tweeks On Wednesday 18 March 2009 07:05:57 pm Richard Suberg wrote: > I put the live cd of mythdora (fedora crossbred with mythtv) and the cd > boots my 2nd pc. Put it in my first, and all I see is: > > Left on all day and still nothing. Cd works great, loads and everything on > other pc. Don't know where to start. > > > > > > Loading vmlinuz0........ > > Loading intrd0.img.........ready. > > > > > > > > > > God Bless, > > Love > > Richard and Dorothy > > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Wed Mar 18 23:24:20 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Wed Mar 18 22:24:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] fedora startup? In-Reply-To: <200903182134.23651.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200903182134.23651.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: Will have to look into it. Got the idea to try it from the computer show when I saw the cd. I'll download the cd and try it - this is the system that has the riva tnt2 card in it that I couldn't get the drivers loaded for. I did find another card to put in but haven't had a chance to yet. Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: Tweeks [mailto:tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 PM To: satlug@satlug.org Cc: Richard Suberg Subject: Re: [SATLUG] fedora startup? I just nuked my mythdora install.. it's terrible... Don't bother with it. Have you ever tried to get package support a year after you install Fedora? Well yeah.. imagine that but 10 times worse for mythdora. I strongly recommend checking out Mythbunu.. or even better.. just do a straight up Ubuntu install.. and then "apt-get install mythtv". Much better.. Plus you can still do all the fancy Ubuntu install stuff like SW RAID and LVM. Very nice. Tweeks On Wednesday 18 March 2009 07:05:57 pm Richard Suberg wrote: > I put the live cd of mythdora (fedora crossbred with mythtv) and the cd > boots my 2nd pc. Put it in my first, and all I see is: > > Left on all day and still nothing. Cd works great, loads and everything on > other pc. Don't know where to start. > > > > > > Loading vmlinuz0........ > > Loading intrd0.img.........ready. > > > > > > > > > > God Bless, > > Love > > Richard and Dorothy > > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.18/2008 - Release Date: 03/17/09 16:25:00 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Mar 19 14:23:15 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Mar 19 14:23:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] fedora startup? In-Reply-To: <200903182134.23651.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200903182134.23651.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1237490595.24307.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I concur, Mythbuntu is a much easier set up the Mythdora. but if you really want a true HTPC check out LinuxMCE. Todd On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 20:34 -0600, Tweeks wrote: > I just nuked my mythdora install.. it's terrible... Don't bother with it. > Have you ever tried to get package support a year after you install Fedora? > Well yeah.. imagine that but 10 times worse for mythdora. > > I strongly recommend checking out Mythbunu.. or even better.. just do a > straight up Ubuntu install.. and then "apt-get install mythtv". Much > better.. Plus you can still do all the fancy Ubuntu install stuff like SW > RAID and LVM. > > Very nice. > > Tweeks > > > On Wednesday 18 March 2009 07:05:57 pm Richard Suberg wrote: > > I put the live cd of mythdora (fedora crossbred with mythtv) and the cd > > boots my 2nd pc. Put it in my first, and all I see is: > > > > Left on all day and still nothing. Cd works great, loads and everything on > > other pc. Don't know where to start. > > > > > > > > > > > > Loading vmlinuz0........ > > > > Loading intrd0.img.........ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless, > > > > Love > > > > Richard and Dorothy > > > > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Mar 19 16:13:45 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Mar 19 16:13:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, April 20, 2009] Message-ID: <1237497225.24307.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> FYI this just came in Todd From scrandall at jw.com Thu Mar 19 17:57:18 2009 From: scrandall at jw.com (Crandall, Sean) Date: Thu Mar 19 17:57:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, April 20, 2009] In-Reply-To: <1237497225.24307.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1237497225.24307.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A06B3E7FE@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> I'm guessing there was some really interesting attachment to this that a filter somewhere stripped out. In the meantime, here are my predictions: 1. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that he has accepted a position at Microsoft as Chief Litigation Strategist. OR 2. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that he has decided to become a Catholic priest. OR 3. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that the USPTO has FINALLY issued his patent on a "Method of Stirring up the Masses into a Religious Fervor Over What Basically Amounts to a Bunch of Text Files." OR 4. Richard Stallman is planning to announce his engagement to Natalie Portman at his April 20 speech. Sean C. Crandall Registered Patent Attorney Jackson Walker L.L.P. 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 San Antonio, Texas 78205 Phone: (210) 978.7714 Fax: (210) 242.4656 email: scrandall@jw.com > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Todd W. Bucy > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:14 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, > April 20, 2009] > > FYI this just came in > > Todd > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Mar 19 18:56:31 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Mar 19 18:56:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, April 20, 2009] In-Reply-To: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A06B3E7FE@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> References: <1237497225.24307.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A06B3E7FE@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <1237506991.24307.10.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 17:57 -0500, Crandall, Sean wrote: > I'm guessing there was some really interesting attachment to this that a > filter somewhere stripped out. In the meantime, here are my > predictions: my bad. here is a link to the flyer with the relevant e-mail. http://www.cs.trinity.edu/Flyer-Stallman-Apr20-09.pdf > > 1. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > he has accepted a position at Microsoft as Chief Litigation Strategist. > OR > > 2. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > he has decided to become a Catholic priest. OR > > 3. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > the USPTO has FINALLY issued his patent on a "Method of Stirring up the > Masses into a Religious Fervor Over What Basically Amounts to a Bunch of > Text Files." OR > > 4. Richard Stallman is planning to announce his engagement to Natalie > Portman at his April 20 speech > Sean C. Crandall > Registered Patent Attorney > Jackson Walker L.L.P. > 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 > San Antonio, Texas 78205 > Phone: (210) 978.7714 > Fax: (210) 242.4656 > email: scrandall@jw.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Todd W. Bucy > > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:14 PM > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, > > April 20, 2009] > > > > FYI this just came in > > > > Todd > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Mar 19 18:59:02 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Mar 19 18:59:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, April 20, 2009] In-Reply-To: <1237497225.24307.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1237497225.24307.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1237507142.24307.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> sorry guys the full text of my forward from Yu Zhang Todd // // Dear Colleagues and Friends, Thanks for your support to this event. Please forward this announcement to your department, friends, and colleagues. Thanks. Yu Zhang ================================================================== Hosted by Trinity University Free Software in Ethics and in Practice Richard Stallman Free Software Foundation Chapman Auditoriums, Monday, 7:30-9:30 pm, April 20, 2009 Meeting is open to the public http://www.cs.trinity.edu/Flyer-Stallman-Apr20-09.pdf ================================================================== Location Chapman Auditorium, Chapman Center, Trinity University, San Antonio. Parking in Lot C, G, F, H. Campus map is available from Trinity website (Chapman Center is building #8): http://www.trinity.edu/departments/public_relations/tour/map/color_campus_map_new.pdf Abstract Richard Stallman will speak about the Free Software Movement, which campaigns for freedom so that computer users can cooperate to control their own computing activities. The Free Software Movement developed the GNU operating system, often erroneously referred to as Linux, specifically to establish these freedoms. Speaker's Bio Richard Stallman launched the development of the GNU operating system (see www.gnu.org) in 1984. GNU is free software: everyone has the freedom to copy it and redistribute it, as well as to make changes either large or small. The GNU/Linux system, basically the GNU operating system with Linux added, is used on tens of millions of computers today. Stallman has received the ACM Grace Hopper Award, a MacArthur Foundation fellowship, the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Pioneer award, and the Takeda Award for Social/Economic Betterment, as well as several honorary doctorates. For Further Information Department of Computer Science Yu Zhang 210-999-7399 yzhang@trinity.edu Sponsored by Department of Computer Science Lecturers and Visiting Scholars Committee Center for Learning and Technology Department of Engineering Science Department of Mathematics From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 20:36:33 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Mar 19 20:36:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? Message-ID: Maybe we ought to be SATGNULUG ? It's catchy. This brings up something that I have wondered about, how to pronounce GNU? Does it sound like new or ga-new. I will be out of town for his talk at Trinity so please find this out for me. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From mkr777 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 22:39:28 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Thu Mar 19 22:39:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, April 20, 2009] In-Reply-To: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A06B3E7FE@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> References: <1237497225.24307.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A06B3E7FE@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: In any case, I expect it to be interesting!!! On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Crandall, Sean wrote: > I'm guessing there was some really interesting attachment to this that a > filter somewhere stripped out. In the meantime, here are my > predictions: > > 1. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > he has accepted a position at Microsoft as Chief Litigation Strategist. > OR > > 2. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > he has decided to become a Catholic priest. OR > > 3. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > the USPTO has FINALLY issued his patent on a "Method of Stirring up the > Masses into a Religious Fervor Over What Basically Amounts to a Bunch of > Text Files." OR > > 4. Richard Stallman is planning to announce his engagement to Natalie > Portman at his April 20 speech. > > Sean C. Crandall > Registered Patent Attorney > Jackson Walker L.L.P. > 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 > San Antonio, Texas 78205 > Phone: (210) 978.7714 > Fax: (210) 242.4656 > email: scrandall@jw.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Todd W. Bucy > > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:14 PM > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, > > April 20, 2009] > > > > FYI this just came in > > > > Todd > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From wn5pmr at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 23:18:45 2009 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Thu Mar 19 23:18:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C31925.5040400@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > Maybe we ought to be SATGNULUG ? > It's catchy. This brings up something that I > have wondered about, how to pronounce > GNU? Does it sound like new or ga-new. > I will be out of town for his talk at Trinity > so please find this out for me. > > Thanks, > > Howard > All ways thought it was like the African antelope the Gnu. Mike WN5PMR From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 23:58:07 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Mar 19 23:58:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, April 20, 2009] In-Reply-To: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A06B3E7FE@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> References: <1237497225.24307.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A06B3E7FE@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <49C3225F.8080707@gmail.com> Crandall, Sean wrote: > I'm guessing there was some really interesting attachment to this that a > filter somewhere stripped out. In the meantime, here are my > predictions: > > 1. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > he has accepted a position at Microsoft as Chief Litigation Strategist. > OR > > 2. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > he has decided to become a Catholic priest. OR > > 3. Richard Stallman is planning to announce at his April 20 speech that > the USPTO has FINALLY issued his patent on a "Method of Stirring up the > Masses into a Religious Fervor Over What Basically Amounts to a Bunch of > Text Files." OR > > 4. Richard Stallman is planning to announce his engagement to Natalie > Portman at his April 20 speech. > Ouch! How can you insult Natalie so?! (snickers!) Cheers; ed ============= > Sean C. Crandall > Registered Patent Attorney > Jackson Walker L.L.P. > 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 > San Antonio, Texas 78205 > Phone: (210) 978.7714 > Fax: (210) 242.4656 > email: scrandall@jw.com > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org >> [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Todd W. Bucy >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:14 PM >> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >> Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: Richard Stallman Speaks at Trinity, >> April 20, 2009] >> >> FYI this just came in >> >> Todd >> >> From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 20 11:32:54 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Fri Mar 20 11:32:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs and Power Supply Needs Message-ID: <32378.83622.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looking for some PCs to make available to an orphanage near Piedras Negras that our church wants to help.? They could really use four units so that the childen/young people could build their hardware and software skills during the week after their Saturday computer classes.? The goal is to make them more employable by industries near the border once they leave the orphanage.? I have one Gateway, but it needs at least a working power supply (Part # 6500582) or its equivalent. I have it in mind to install Ubuntu due to its similarity to the Windows products they're probably using in their training program.? Other suggestions are certainly welcome and any help you can offer will go a long way for these kids.? Thanks. From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Mar 20 11:42:29 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Mar 20 11:42:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090320114229.58494009a5me06m8@shlrm.org> Quoting "Howard Haradon" : > Maybe we ought to be SATGNULUG ? > It's catchy. This brings up something that I > have wondered about, how to pronounce > GNU? Does it sound like new or ga-new. > I will be out of town for his talk at Trinity > so please find this out for me. > Uh no. I'm all about having the freedom to do whatever you want, not just under the restrictions of GNU software. So no thanks. And it's too many letters, and you can't "say" it. So no thanks. -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From pjcrux at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:46:46 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Fri Mar 20 11:46:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: <20090320114229.58494009a5me06m8@shlrm.org> References: <20090320114229.58494009a5me06m8@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0903200946y5c77981fuc0b8410afe780a9d@mail.gmail.com> I agree... The proposed name is a mouth full that would be more difficult to market. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM, David Kowis wrote: > Quoting "Howard Haradon" : > > Maybe we ought to be SATGNULUG ? >> It's catchy. This brings up something that I >> have wondered about, how to pronounce >> GNU? Does it sound like new or ga-new. >> I will be out of town for his talk at Trinity >> so please find this out for me. >> >> > Uh no. I'm all about having the freedom to do whatever you want, not just > under the restrictions of GNU software. So no thanks. And it's too many > letters, and you can't "say" it. > > So no thanks. > > > -- > David Kowis > Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org > Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 11:49:01 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Mar 20 11:49:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs and Power Supply Needs In-Reply-To: <32378.83622.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <32378.83622.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0903200949u5145e4dfn26dcbe91c908a723@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Arthur Hall wrote: > Looking for some PCs to make available to an orphanage near Piedras Negras that our church wants to help.? They could really use four units so that the childen/young people could build their hardware and software skills during the week after their Saturday computer classes.? The goal is to make them more employable by industries near the border once they leave the orphanage.? I have one Gateway, but it needs at least a working power supply (Part # 6500582) or its equivalent. > I have it in mind to install Ubuntu due to its similarity to the Windows products they're probably using in their training program.? Other suggestions are certainly welcome and any help you can offer will go a long way for these kids.? Thanks. Arthur, I got 2 PCs with monitors that I can donate. What hardware specs are you looking for? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From j at jvpappas.net Fri Mar 20 12:15:29 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Fri Mar 20 12:15:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs and Power Supply Needs In-Reply-To: <32378.83622.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <32378.83622.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450903201015o25a74025j50e227e78c753750@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:32, Arthur Hall wrote: > Looking for some PCs to make available to an orphanage near Piedras Negras > that our church wants to help. > I have one Gateway, but it needs at least a working power supply (Part # > 6500582) or its equivalent. Do you know if it is an ATX or AT power supply? and what wattage? I think I have both styles, as long as the system uses less than a 250W. Anything bigger and I will have to check. jp From chrishudson at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:18:45 2009 From: chrishudson at gmail.com (Chris Hudson) Date: Fri Mar 20 12:18:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? Message-ID: <88749a030903201018w2f5e6b39tf65bdc48ac9b733b@mail.gmail.com> > It's catchy. This brings up something that I > have wondered about, how to pronounce > GNU? Does it sound like new or ga-new. > The latter. From gregswift at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 14:56:50 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Fri Mar 20 14:56:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat/Fedora calling on Professors Message-ID: <4e3f91d70903201256x100eb971x8863f5cfa332e40c@mail.gmail.com> I know we have a few professors here so... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Professors_Open_Source_Summer_Experience -greg From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 16:44:30 2009 From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden) Date: Fri Mar 20 16:44:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Job @ SwRI Message-ID: <345e55a50903201444u43a76e90pe814b9bb8943bb4a@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I've been a lurker on here for quite a few years now. I've been at Southwest Research Institute for 10 years this June. It's a great place to work. A co-worker of mine told me about some job openings in his department that may be of interest here. If you are interested, you need to apply through the website. I don't have any additional information on the position. Cheers, Greg Willden Here?s the info: Systems Analyst (Oracle Databases) - Job Code: 26-00829* Online at: http://www.swri.org/HR/ViewJob.asp?JobID=1890&Type=Exempt SUMMARY: Maintain Oracle databases; backup, database recovery, security controls, performance monitoring and tuning, installation of upgrades and patches; monitor the performance of the UNIX system that hosts the Oracle database; troubleshoot problems with Client Server ERP system, and internally developed web-based applications; develop, document, debug and maintain web-based applications using tools like CGI programming using PERL and JavaScript languages; develop plans/procedures for routine tasks and testing developed applications; follow ITC standards for project management and software development and contribute to improve these. EDUCATION/EXPERIENCE: Requires a BS degree in Information Systems or Computer Science with 2 years experience with Oracle database installation, administration, and tuning, preferably on a UNIX platform and 1 year UNIX knowledge, preferably Solaris: Microsoft SQL knowledge and 1 year knowledge of VB NET, Java, PERL, PHP. Oracle database administrator, Oracle SQL, Oracle development tools, Solaris UNIX operating systems knowledge required; knowledge of Microsoft SQL, PERL, JavaScript, VB .Net, C, and Java programming languages; familiarity with the software development life cycle; must have a working knowledge of TCP/IP, HTML, SMTP protocols; must be a team player and service oriented. JOB LOCATION: San Antonio, TX -- To know recursion, you must first know recursion. From msellers at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 21 16:30:47 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael W Sellers) Date: Sat Mar 21 16:30:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: <20090320114229.58494009a5me06m8@shlrm.org> References: <20090320114229.58494009a5me06m8@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1237671047.10012.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> SATGLUG. I like it. On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 11:42 -0500, David Kowis wrote: > Quoting "Howard Haradon" : > > > Maybe we ought to be SATGNULUG ? > > It's catchy. This brings up something that I > > have wondered about, how to pronounce > > GNU? Does it sound like new or ga-new. > > I will be out of town for his talk at Trinity > > so please find this out for me. > > > > Uh no. I'm all about having the freedom to do whatever you want, not > just under the restrictions of GNU software. So no thanks. And it's > too many letters, and you can't "say" it. > > So no thanks. > > > -- > David Kowis > Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org > Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Mar 21 17:23:35 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Mar 21 17:23:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? Message-ID: >Uh no. I'm all about having the freedom to do whatever you want, not >just under the restrictions of GNU software. So no thanks. And it's >too many letters, and you can't "say" it. >So no thanks. ------------------------------------------------- Maybe it's the pollen (change), agree with David, No Thank You. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Mar 21 17:42:30 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Mar 21 17:42:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs and Power Supply Needs Message-ID: <8acac5f2dda54cff9cd78e83ed2d0535.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >Do you know if it is an ATX or AT power supply? and what wattage? >I think I have both styles, as long as the system uses less than a >250W. Anything bigger and I will have to check. jp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gateway via Google indicate a 6500582 is an ATX ~ 160Watt PSU Lou From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Mar 21 18:59:24 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Mar 21 18:59:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: <1237671047.10012.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090320114229.58494009a5me06m8@shlrm.org> <1237671047.10012.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> on 3/21/09 4:30 PM, Michael W Sellers said: > SATGLUG. I like it. I wasn't going to say it. But from the moment the topic first came up, this is what I was thinking. I did observe that the "GLUG" thing does kinda tie into the large overlap between people who like the OS & community, and people who tend to enjoy drinking lots of beer. I just wanted to see how long it would take someone else to come up with the same. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Sun Mar 22 15:40:38 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Sun Mar 22 15:46:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> References: <20090320114229.58494009a5me06m8@shlrm.org> <1237671047.10012.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > on 3/21/09 4:30 PM, Michael W Sellers said: > >> SATGLUG. I like it. > > I wasn't going to say it. But from the moment the topic first came up, > this is what I was thinking. > > I did observe that the "GLUG" thing does kinda tie into the large > overlap between people who like the OS & community, and people who tend > to enjoy drinking lots of beer. > > > I just wanted to see how long it would take someone else to come up with > the same. > If we change to SATGLUG, could we include pub crawl meetings? :) From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 15:52:10 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Mar 22 15:51:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 22 March 2009 15:40:38 Charles Hogan wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: > > on 3/21/09 4:30 PM, Michael W Sellers said: > > > >> SATGLUG. I like it. > > > > I wasn't going to say it. But from the moment the topic first came up, > > this is what I was thinking. > > > > I did observe that the "GLUG" thing does kinda tie into the large > > overlap between people who like the OS & community, and people who tend > > to enjoy drinking lots of beer. > > > > > > I just wanted to see how long it would take someone else to come up with > > the same. > > > > If we change to SATGLUG, could we include pub crawl meetings? > :) If that happens I will start attending the meetings :) From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 16:37:10 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Mar 22 16:36:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mandriva 2009.1 and KDE 4.2.1 ... pretty good but a few probs Message-ID: <200903221637.10308.jdchoate@gmail.com> Just FYI for those interested. Being a Mandr*/KDE user, I have been anxiously awaiting version 2009.1 to arrive. I had tried version 2009, but found that KDE 4.1 totally sucks and was not much of an improvement over 4.0. Now the release candidate 1 for Mandriva 2009.1 with KDE 4.2.1 is available, so I thought I'd give it a go. I am pretty darn happy with it, though it does have some bugs to be ironed out. But I expect two more release candidates to occur before the final is ready. Some programs experience crashes with dbus, namely amarok and k3b, but daily updates have helped a bit to fix those problems. Amarok will crash if I press stop while listening to streaming audio, but not when playing local audio files. Amarok also randomly reloads previous playlist entries after having cleared the playlist and added new media to it. K3b will now burn media, but previous to updates would crash via dbus when starting the burn dialog. Using gnomebaker proved to be a good alternative to k3b. Mandriva seems to have messed up some action icon assignments. Both konqueror and dolphin display several wrong icons in their toolbars (mostly with back, forward, up, delete, cut, copy and paste); some icon sets work better than others, but many of these icons default to the kde logo. This problem also happens in the context menus when I right-click on files. Power management works pretty well, but I lose the USB ports after returning from suspend to RAM or suspend to disk (sleep and hibernate). On the plus side: I have installed 2009.1 on two different HP dv9000 series laptops. Both laptops are from 2007, but purchased about 6 months apart. The older of the two would experience random lockups with mandriva 2008.1 and some occasional boot problems with Ubuntu Intrepid. The newer one worked absolutely perfectly with mandriva 2008.1. Now the older laptop is running beautifully with mandriva 2009.1, as is the newer one (the only exceptions listed above). Both now have their internal broadcom wifi working, thanks to drivers available in mandriva's cooker repositories, along with kernel 2.6.29 rc8.3.1. If anyone else has tried 2009.1, please share your experience. John C. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Mar 22 20:01:44 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Mar 22 20:01:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237770104.30902.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 15:52 -0500, John D Choate wrote: > On Sunday 22 March 2009 15:40:38 Charles Hogan wrote: > > Brad Knowles wrote: > > > on 3/21/09 4:30 PM, Michael W Sellers said: > > > > > >> SATGLUG. I like it. > > > > > > I wasn't going to say it. But from the moment the topic first came up, > > > this is what I was thinking. > > > > > > I did observe that the "GLUG" thing does kinda tie into the large > > > overlap between people who like the OS & community, and people who tend > > > to enjoy drinking lots of beer. > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to see how long it would take someone else to come up with > > > the same. > > > > > > > If we change to SATGLUG, could we include pub crawl meetings? > > :) > > If that happens I will start attending the meetings :) I hear Bar America calling...everyone suck it in when you GLUG Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Mar 22 20:04:41 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Mar 22 20:04:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mandriva 2009.1 and KDE 4.2.1 ... pretty good but a few probs In-Reply-To: <200903221637.10308.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200903221637.10308.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1237770281.30902.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I will always have a fond place in my heart for KDE...it was my fist non-win environment. that said KDE4 has been a huge disappointment. GNOME with compiz-fusion far more stable and in many ways has much better eye candy. JMHO Todd From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Mar 23 05:49:06 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Mar 23 05:49:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... In-Reply-To: <1237770104.30902.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1237770104.30902.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <49C76922.4020409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Yes, I know it's from a different thread - that was the point. This whole 'name change' thread was inane since it's inception. In the meantime, if you're so inclined to do so, offer up some prayers for Jeremy Mann's Grandmother who passed away, yesterday morning. Killjoy I maybe, but why does everthing have to be 'changed' when it's been successful for so many years? -- -Geoff Baja Spring, TX From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Mar 23 07:00:31 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Mar 23 07:00:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... In-Reply-To: <49C76922.4020409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1237770104.30902.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49C76922.4020409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1237809631.30902.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 05:49 -0500, Geoff wrote: > Yes, I know it's from a different thread - that was the point. > > This whole 'name change' thread was inane since it's inception. > agreed > In the meantime, if you're so inclined to do so, offer up some prayers > for Jeremy Mann's Grandmother who passed away, yesterday morning. > my condolences Jeremy > Killjoy I maybe, but why does everthing have to be 'changed' when it's > been successful for so many years? I took that particular post as a lame attempt at humor. the idea of changing our name is not one I took very seriously. did anyone? Todd From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 08:42:13 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter J. Cross) Date: Mon Mar 23 08:42:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... Message-ID: <49c791ba.1818d00a.12a2.fffff8c0@mx.google.com> agreed -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:49 AM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... Yes, I know it's from a different thread - that was the point. This whole 'name change' thread was inane since it's inception. In the meantime, if you're so inclined to do so, offer up some prayers for Jeremy Mann's Grandmother who passed away, yesterday morning. Killjoy I maybe, but why does everthing have to be 'changed' when it's been successful for so many years? -- -Geoff Baja Spring, TX -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From hharadon at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 10:20:21 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Mon Mar 23 10:20:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic...(name change) Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 05:49 -0500, Geoff wrote: >> Yes, I know it's from a different thread - that was the point. >> >> This whole 'name change' thread was inane since it's inception. >> Geoff > I took that particular post as a lame attempt at humor. the idea of > changing our name is not one I took very seriously. did anyone? > > Todd I certainly didn't. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA >> > agreed > >> In the meantime, if you're so inclined to do so, offer up some prayers >> for Jeremy Mann's Grandmother who passed away, yesterday morning. >> > my condolences Jeremy > >> Killjoy I maybe, but why does everthing have to be 'changed' when it's >> been successful for so many years? > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 12:17:46 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Mar 23 12:17:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... In-Reply-To: <1237809631.30902.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1237770104.30902.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49C76922.4020409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1237809631.30902.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <49C7C43A.1050801@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 05:49 -0500, Geoff wrote: > >> Yes, I know it's from a different thread - that was the point. >> >> This whole 'name change' thread was inane since it's inception. >> >> > agreed > In spades... > >> In the meantime, if you're so inclined to do so, offer up some prayers >> for Jeremy Mann's Grandmother who passed away, yesterday morning. >> >> > my condolences Jeremy > And mine as well > >> Killjoy I maybe, but why does everthing have to be 'changed' when it's >> been successful for so many years? >> > > I took that particular post as a lame attempt at humor. the idea of > changing our name is not one I took very seriously. did anyone? > > Surely, you jest...? Cheers; Ed From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 13:51:16 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Mar 23 13:50:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mandriva 2009.1 and KDE 4.2.1 ... pretty good but a few probs In-Reply-To: <1237770281.30902.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <200903221637.10308.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1237770281.30902.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <200903231351.16740.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 22 March 2009 20:04:41 Todd W. Bucy wrote: > I will always have a fond place in my heart for KDE...it was my fist > non-win environment. that said KDE4 has been a huge disappointment. > GNOME with compiz-fusion far more stable and in many ways has much > better eye candy. > > JMHO > Todd > I have been using KDE 3.5 for quite a while now and love it, and have used every version since 3.0.3 on Mandrake 9.0. Now 4.2.1 is starting to show promise. It is good enough for me to use now that they have implemented desktop file management and don't rely on the widgits for that task, though it still has a long way to go. I think that by the time they get it to 4.3 it will be pretty good, and by 4.5 it is going to be quite sweet. The new panels are starting to grow on me, but kicker is still better. Basically it is good enough for my laptop, which I mainly use for work... rdc, ssh, smb4k, email and spreadsheets for the most part. But my desktop machine at home with all of my truly important stuff (games, photos and music, lol) will wait for the official powerpack version of 2009.1 (yes, I do actually purchase one powerpack DVD each year, for all other releases I download the 'One' CD)*. *I have had 2008.1 powerpack run perfectly on a couple of different computers while the One version had errors and instability, despite having the same kernel, drivers, and core packages. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Mar 23 17:16:16 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Mar 23 17:16:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic...(name change) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C80A30.8070900@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Howard Haradon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 05:49 -0500, Geoff wrote: >> >>> Yes, I know it's from a different thread - that was the point. >>> >>> This whole 'name change' thread was inane since it's inception. >>> Geoff >>> > > >> I took that particular post as a lame attempt at humor. the idea of >> changing our name is not one I took very seriously. did anyone? >> >> Todd >> > > I certainly didn't. > Well, you know.. -someone- out there might be reading this without our sense of humor and think "what are those guys on about 'now'?" Better to be -totally clear- instead of leaving room for doubt. -- -Geoff From j at jvpappas.net Tue Mar 24 10:48:09 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Mar 24 10:48:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Customized Firstboot or equivalent... Message-ID: <4c0ec4450903240848v66b61716qda9d5a7e07eeda05@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I had an interesting question come up the other day, specifically, how does one get a custom script to run automatically immediately following a kickstarted install. The POST section of the ks file only acts on the pre-firstboot environment, so a script that depends on a full-boot environment fails. Since the `firstboot` system is not modular nor directly customizable (AFAIK), what is the "easiest" way to inject a custom script to run immediately after the firstboot? My inital thoughts that I sent up (You Gov't contract IT guys will recognize the onus for this particular need): So far, injecting the command into to the firstboot script would work, but you can't just `echo add_command >> /etc/init.d/firstboot` as the script ends in an exit statement. You could `sed` through it and add the line right after the `esac` before the `exit`. The other idea that I have right now is add a custom service, that is EXACTLY like first boot. Modify the firstboot script and associated files, have your POST section of the ks file copy those doctored files from a customized CD/DVD that includes them, and run a `chkconfig --add firstboot_STIG; chkconfig --level 35 firstboot_STIG on` and then at the end of your `firstboot_STIG` wrapper just run a `chkconfig --level 35 firstboot_STIG off;chkconfig --del firstboot_STIG` to remove the service. The other option is to leave it just like the firstboot and use something like an `/etc/sysconfig/reSTIG` file to que `firstboot_STIG` to run again. Any ideas would be apprciated... Thanks! jp From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 11:12:26 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Tue Mar 24 11:17:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Solaris 9 Partitions and Linux Message-ID: <1003aeaa0903240912s42b0d8edhac3c8aa6cf10c995@mail.gmail.com> I have a SAN with several LUNs that were used by Solaris 9 sparc servers. They supposedly have a single UFS sitting on slice 6 of each LUN. I am trying to access the data from a RHEL 5 x86 server. Sun partition support is enabled, as is UFS support (had to custom build for UFS). In theory this should work, even with the difference in platform .. the UFS driver in Linux has a byte-swapping routine that handles the endian problem, and I just need read-only support. The major issue is that Linux won't detect the slices at all. fdisk/sfdisk show an empty MSDOS partition table and they don't show up in dmesg on boot like they should. Testdisk will find a UFS signature on the disk, but complains that there is no valid partition table. I can't mount the UFS since there is no partition or slice to mount. Anyone have experience with Solaris slices/UFS in Linux? Am I missing something simple here? Thanks, Henry From satlug at vinny.us Tue Mar 24 17:37:11 2009 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Tue Mar 24 17:37:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Solaris 9 Partitions and Linux In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0903240912s42b0d8edhac3c8aa6cf10c995@mail.gmail.com> References: <1003aeaa0903240912s42b0d8edhac3c8aa6cf10c995@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24cb34e0903241537p2141311tc6e9cd84f9b956c2@mail.gmail.com> If you just need to view/copy the data, you could boot the machine with OpenSolaris live to see the luns/data. Or convert to ZFS =) Questions: Do you have the switch zoned for access from the new HBA? Is the SAN configured to allow any host to access the luns? If your switch zoning or SAN hosts aren't configured, you might see "LUNS/WWN" of the switch or the storage controller, but they won't be the raw storage LUNS your looking for. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > I have a SAN with several LUNs that were used by Solaris 9 sparc > servers. They supposedly have a single UFS sitting on slice 6 of each > LUN. I am trying to access the data from a RHEL 5 x86 server. Sun > partition support is enabled, as is UFS support (had to custom build > for UFS). In theory this should work, even with the difference in > platform .. the UFS driver in Linux has a byte-swapping routine that > handles the endian problem, and I just need read-only support. > > The major issue is that Linux won't detect the slices at all. > fdisk/sfdisk show an empty MSDOS partition table and they don't show > up in dmesg on boot like they should. Testdisk will find a UFS > signature on the disk, but complains that there is no valid partition > table. I can't mount the UFS since there is no partition or slice to > mount. > > Anyone have experience with Solaris slices/UFS in Linux? Am I missing > something simple here? > > Thanks, > Henry > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 18:35:35 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Tue Mar 24 18:42:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] visualizing data. Message-ID: <546002.35320.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, while browsing for something fun to do, I ran into an O'Reilly book about visualizing data, after browsing the a few pages I realized it could help me develop a nice tool to review disk utilization data using Processing (www.processing.org). from their website: Processing is an open source programming language and environment for people who want to program images, animation, and interactions. It is used by students, artists, designers, researchers, and hobbyists for learning, prototyping, and production Well, they missed System administrators among their users, I wrote a tool to plot the disk utilization data throughout the day for a particular server using it. I am not 100% familiar with Processing but if interested I could give a quick presentation of the language. best regards, enrique. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 21:27:33 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Mar 24 21:27:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] visualizing data. In-Reply-To: <546002.35320.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <546002.35320.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > > Folks, > > while browsing for something fun to do, I ran into an O'Reilly book about visualizing data, after browsing the a few pages I realized it could help me develop a nice tool to review disk utilization data using Processing (www.processing.org). > > from their website: > > ? > ?Processing is an open source programming language and environment for people who want to program images, animation, and interactions. It is used by students, artists, designers, researchers, and hobbyists for learning, prototyping, and production > > > Well, they missed System administrators among their users, I wrote a tool to plot the disk utilization data throughout the day for a particular server using it. > > I am not 100% familiar with Processing but if interested I could give a quick presentation of the language. > > best regards, > enrique. This sounds very interesting. Your presentation has my vote. Thanks, Howard From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 21:45:06 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Mar 24 21:45:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] visualizing data. In-Reply-To: <546002.35320.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <546002.35320.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C99AB2.9040305@gmail.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > Folks, > > while browsing for something fun to do, I ran into an O'Reilly book about visualizing data, after browsing the a few pages I realized it could help me develop a nice tool to review disk utilization data using Processing (www.processing.org). > > from their website: > > > Processing is an open source programming language and environment for people who want to program images, animation, and interactions. It is used by students, artists, designers, researchers, and hobbyists for learning, prototyping, and production > > > Well, they missed System administrators among their users, I wrote a tool to plot the disk utilization data throughout the day for a particular server using it. > > I am not 100% familiar with Processing but if interested I could give a quick presentation of the language. > > best regards, > enrique. > > Has my vote! Cheers; ed From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 24 22:51:45 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Mar 24 22:51:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] visualizing data. In-Reply-To: <546002.35320.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <546002.35320.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:35:35 -0700 (PDT), Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >I am not 100% familiar with Processing but if interested I could give a quick presentation of the language. Sounds good. If you don't need the whole time then a few of us will present our favorite rescue/toolkit/mini distros - System Rescue CD, GParted Live, Slax, and so on. --Don -- Any Disaster Recovery Plan that omits budgeting for pizza delivery is most likely incomplete in other areas. From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 00:33:36 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Mar 25 00:33:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] DistroWatch 10 Most Popular Linux Distros Message-ID: I stumbled across this DistroWatch page by accident and now I read it frequently. I believe it is updated weekly. Very handy for me, Top Ten Distributions An overview of today's top distributions "The bewildering choice and the ever increasing number of Linux distributions can be confusing for those who are new to Linux. This is why this page was created. It lists 10 Linux distributions (plus an honourable mention of FreeBSD, by far the most popular of all of the BSDs), which are generally considered as most widely-used by Linux users around the world. There are no figures to back it up and there are many other distributions that might suit your particular purpose better, but as a general rule, all of these are popular and have very active forums or mailing lists where you can ask questions if you get stuck. Ubuntu, Linux Mint and PCLinuxOS are considered the easiest for new users who want to get productive in Linux as soon as possible without having to master all its complexities. On the other end of the spectrum, Slackware Linux, Gentoo Linux and FreeBSD are more advanced distributions that require plenty of learning before they can be used effectively. openSUSE, Fedora, Debian GNU/Linux and Mandriva Linux can be classified as good "middle-road" distributions. CentOS is an enterprise distribution, suitable for those who prefer stability, reliability and long-term support over cutting-edge features and software." [Currently listed Top 10 distros - there are actually 11 listed] Ubuntu openSUSE Fedora Debian GNU/Linux Mandriva Linux Linux Mint PCLinuxOS Slackware Linux Gentoo Linux CentOS FreeBSD [rdpcomment] Since I have been toying with the idea of switching from Linux to OpenSolaris I noted with interest its decline in popularity over the last two weeks from 23 to 41. I wonder if the news of IBM acquiring Sun has anything to do with that? I can't see IBM giving anything away so that would end my OpenSolaris experience. From lgj at usenix.org Wed Mar 25 11:15:58 2009 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Wed Mar 25 11:16:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] NSDI '09 Early Bird Registration Deadline Approaching Message-ID: <49CA58BE.6060403@usenix.org> We are writing to remind you that the Early Bird Registration Deadline for the 6th USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation is approaching. Please register by March 30, 2009, to save! http://www.usenix.org/nsdi09/progb NSDI '09, which will take place April 22-24, 2009, in Boston, MA, focuses on the design principles of large-scale networked and distributed systems. Our goal is to bring together researchers from across the systems and networking communities to foster cross-disciplinary approaches and to address shared research challenges. This year's outstanding program includes 32 technical papers carefully selected from a pool of 163 submissions. 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However, if you do not wish to receive these announcements, please reply to this message and include the word REMOVE in the body. Please do not alter the subject line, as we need your ID number in order to process your request. Please use nsdi09chairs@usenix.org to contact Jennifer Rexford or Emin Gun Sirer. Jennifer.Rexford@usenix.org is for automated list management only. To change your contact information, please visit: http://www.usenix.org/membership/ From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:46:10 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Mar 25 13:46:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... In-Reply-To: <49C7C43A.1050801@gmail.com> References: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1237770104.30902.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49C76922.4020409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1237809631.30902.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49C7C43A.1050801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0903251146q144093a8td60f313e2c47c870@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:17 PM, ed wrote: > > In spades... >> >> >>> >>> In the meantime, if you're so inclined to do so, offer up some prayers >>> for Jeremy Mann's Grandmother who passed away, yesterday morning. Just to clear this up, NO, my Grandmother did not die over the weekend. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 14:44:51 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Wed Mar 25 14:44:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0903251146q144093a8td60f313e2c47c870@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C7C43A.1050801@gmail.com> <79ec289f0903251146q144093a8td60f313e2c47c870@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903251444.52598.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Wednesday 25 March 2009 13:46:10 Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:17 PM, ed wrote: > > > > > In spades... > >> > >> > >>> > >>> In the meantime, if you're so inclined to do so, offer up some prayers > >>> for Jeremy Mann's Grandmother who passed away, yesterday morning. > > Just to clear this up, NO, my Grandmother did not die over the weekend. > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 Mine did, but I didn't tell anyone on the list. I didn't know her very well since I was a kid, so it's no big deal. She was ancient and it was time. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 17:38:01 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Mar 25 17:38:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] visualizing data. Message-ID: <146599.69620.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> sure, I am all for it. Guess all is missing now is when and how long it should be if we're going to share a session. regards, esv. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Don Wright wrote: > From: Don Wright > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] visualizing data. > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 11:51 PM > On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:35:35 -0700 > (PDT), Enrique Sanchez Vela > > wrote: > > >I am not 100% familiar with Processing but if > interested I could give a quick presentation of the > language. > > Sounds good. If you don't need the whole time then a few of > us will > present our favorite rescue/toolkit/mini distros - System > Rescue CD, > GParted Live, Slax, and so on. --Don > > -- > Any Disaster Recovery Plan that omits budgeting for pizza > delivery is most likely incomplete in other areas. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From siffland at nerdshack.com Wed Mar 25 21:12:07 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Mar 25 21:12:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Customized Firstboot or equivalent... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450903240848v66b61716qda9d5a7e07eeda05@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450903240848v66b61716qda9d5a7e07eeda05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00903251912n2d62161ex31beb57253f1a0f8@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:48 AM, John Pappas wrote: > Hey all, > > I had an interesting question come up the other day, specifically, how does > one get a custom script to run automatically immediately following a > kickstarted install. ?The POST section of the ks file only acts on the > pre-firstboot environment, so a script that depends on a full-boot > environment fails. ?Since the `firstboot` system is not modular nor directly > customizable (AFAIK), what is the "easiest" way to inject a custom script to > run immediately after the firstboot? > > My inital thoughts that I sent up (You Gov't contract IT guys will recognize > the onus for this particular need): > So far, injecting the command into to the firstboot script would work, but > you can't just `echo add_command >> /etc/init.d/firstboot` as the script > ends in an exit statement. ?You could `sed` through it and add the line > right after the `esac` before the `exit`. ?The other idea that I have right > now is add a custom service, that is EXACTLY like first boot. ?Modify the > firstboot script and associated files, have your POST section of the ks file > copy those doctored files from a customized CD/DVD that includes them, and > run a `chkconfig --add ?firstboot_STIG; chkconfig --level 35 ?firstboot_STIG > on` and then at the end of your `firstboot_STIG` wrapper just run a > `chkconfig --level 35 ?firstboot_STIG off;chkconfig --del ?firstboot_STIG` > to remove the service. ?The other option is to leave it just like the > firstboot and use something like an `/etc/sysconfig/reSTIG` file to que > `firstboot_STIG` to run again. > > Any ideas would be apprciated... > > Thanks! > jp > -- I would just add the custom init script, you could even have the kickstart post cat or EOF the commands into the script then add it to the proper run level. These are obviously government systems since you get to play with fun and exciting stigs ( i know my quarterly run of the SRR is coming up on all 150 of my Linux systems (automated cos i am lazy). If all your systems are the same you should consider using a bare metal recovery tool. We use storix, that way we don't have to run the stigs on all our boxes we create the first one and stig it, then clone it with storix and i can pop out a new cloned server in about 20 minutes. For everyone who does not know what STIGS are or have to run Security Readiness Reviews, consider yourself lucky... Sean From justin.burdette at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 00:54:06 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Thu Mar 26 00:54:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Wanted parts Message-ID: Anyone have some extra DDR333/400 around? Looking for 2 or 3 1GB sticks for my testing box (currently dual-booting Win7 and Kubuntu). Willing to trade if I have something useful or let me know what the asking price is. E-mail me off list, please. Justin -- Get help from Justin Burdette! From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Mar 26 06:15:09 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Mar 26 06:15:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0903251146q144093a8td60f313e2c47c870@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1237770104.30902.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49C76922.4020409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1237809631.30902.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49C7C43A.1050801@gmail.com> <79ec289f0903251146q144093a8td60f313e2c47c870@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CB63BD.9090407@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:17 PM, ed wrote: > > >> In spades... >> >>> >>>> In the meantime, if you're so inclined to do so, offer up some prayers >>>> for Jeremy Mann's Grandmother who passed away, yesterday morning. >>>> > > Just to clear this up, NO, my Grandmother did not die over the weekend. when we were in Yahoo chat, you said you were going to the Valley, and were just waiting for the call. Then, the call came in, and you split. My apologies, y'all... From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Mar 26 06:40:59 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Mar 26 06:41:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Wanted parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1238067659.3870.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I have 2 double sided 1 gb ddr 400 sticks I have been trying to trade for some single sidded ddr 400. contact me off-list if interested Todd On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 00:54 -0500, Justin Burdette wrote: > Anyone have some extra DDR333/400 around? Looking for 2 or 3 1GB > sticks for my testing box (currently dual-booting Win7 and Kubuntu). > Willing to trade if I have something useful or let me know what the > asking price is. > > E-mail me off list, please. > > Justin > > -- > target="_blank"> src="http://www.crossloop.com/images/badge-sm-gray.jpg" alt="Get help > from Justin Burdette!" /> From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 08:24:29 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Mar 26 08:24:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] While we're off topic... In-Reply-To: <49CB63BD.9090407@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <49C57F5C.1030201@shub-internet.org> <49C6A246.3020100@futuretechsolutions.com> <200903221552.10907.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1237770104.30902.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49C76922.4020409@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1237809631.30902.6.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49C7C43A.1050801@gmail.com> <79ec289f0903251146q144093a8td60f313e2c47c870@mail.gmail.com> <49CB63BD.9090407@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0903260624m4a78d358l98e3435fad76dc67@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Geoff wrote: > when we were in Yahoo chat, you said you were going to the Valley, and > were just waiting for the call. > > Then, the call came in, and you split. > > My apologies, y'all... Yeah, waiting for the call to leave with the caravan going down to the Valley. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From leif at paisd.net Thu Mar 26 07:32:58 2009 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Thu Mar 26 08:46:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Large Mailbox threshold Message-ID: Can someone tell me if it really matters how much email my boss accumulates and refuses to pop down to her workstation? Logwatch has been warning me, but the boss likes to pop and save a copy on the server to imap from home. I guess my question is: WHAT IF THE THRESHOLD IS EXCEEDED? Will her mailbox freeze up at some point. How do I avoid the wrath that would ensure once the superintendent's mail box freezes even after repeated suggestions to empty it? logwatch ----snip---- Large Mailbox threshold: 40MB (41943040 bytes) Warning: Large mailbox: reptile (77950155) Warning: Large mailbox: vermin (73338008) -- Sincerely, Leif Johnson (361) 749-1200 x. 316 http://blog.paisd.net From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 08:54:27 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Mar 26 08:54:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Large Mailbox threshold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0903260654yc3aa3b3he733d9a051402e1e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Leif Johnson wrote: > > Can someone tell me if it really matters how much email my boss accumulates > and refuses to pop down to her workstation? Logwatch has been warning me, > but the boss likes to pop and save a copy on the server to imap from home. I > guess my question is: WHAT IF THE THRESHOLD IS EXCEEDED? Will her mailbox > freeze up at some point. How do I avoid the wrath that would ensure once the > superintendent's mail box freezes even after repeated suggestions to empty > it? > > logwatch ----snip---- > ?Large Mailbox threshold: 40MB (41943040 bytes) > ?Warning: Large mailbox: reptile (77950155) > ?Warning: Large mailbox: vermin (73338008) Leif, if you do not have quotas on the filesystem or internal quotas assigned by Postfix, these messages you can ignore. If you DO have quotas, once the user reaches the maximum, all mail traffic will be shut off for that user until the mailbox has been cleaned out. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From leif at paisd.net Thu Mar 26 08:24:50 2009 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Thu Mar 26 09:38:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Large Mailbox threshold In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0903260654yc3aa3b3he733d9a051402e1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0903260654yc3aa3b3he733d9a051402e1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Leif Johnson wrote: >> >> Can someone tell me if it really matters how much email my boss accumulates >> and refuses to pop down to her workstation? Logwatch has been warning me, >> but the boss likes to pop and save a copy on the server to imap from home. I >> guess my question is: WHAT IF THE THRESHOLD IS EXCEEDED? Will her mailbox >> freeze up at some point. How do I avoid the wrath that would ensure once the >> superintendent's mail box freezes even after repeated suggestions to empty >> it? >> >> logwatch ----snip---- >> ?Large Mailbox threshold: 40MB (41943040 bytes) >> ?Warning: Large mailbox: reptile (77950155) >> ?Warning: Large mailbox: vermin (73338008) > > Leif, if you do not have quotas on the filesystem or internal quotas > assigned by Postfix, these messages you can ignore. If you DO have > quotas, once the user reaches the maximum, all mail traffic will be > shut off for that user until the mailbox has been cleaned out. > > > Thanks Jeremy: That's the answer I was looking for. -Leif From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Mar 26 10:43:47 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Mar 26 10:43:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Large Mailbox threshold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CBA2B3.2040309@shub-internet.org> Leif Johnson wrote: > Can someone tell me if it really matters how much email my boss > accumulates and refuses to pop down to her workstation? Logwatch has > been warning me, but the boss likes to pop and save a copy on the server > to imap from home. I guess my question is: WHAT IF THE THRESHOLD IS > EXCEEDED? Will her mailbox freeze up at some point. How do I avoid the > wrath that would ensure once the superintendent's mail box freezes even > after repeated suggestions to empty it? There are plenty of POP and IMAP servers as well as clients that will barf if the mailbox gets too large. In those cases, you are lucky if the worst thing that happens is that access to the mailbox is temporarily lost until such time as the mailbox is reduced in size. In many cases, the mailbox will get corrupted, quite possibly beyond any ability to recover, thus forcing a restore from backup. If your boss wants to be able to access the same data from home and work, the solution is to use IMAP in both locations, and then periodically copy or archive the messages from the server to the local disk. I do this every month, and we have mailbox limits of 100MB. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From scrandall at jw.com Thu Mar 26 11:19:40 2009 From: scrandall at jw.com (Crandall, Sean) Date: Thu Mar 26 11:19:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Large Mailbox threshold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A06CAD117@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Maybe you just need to speak her language. She doesn't care about your servers. But she may care about the legal problems of keeping too many documents lying around. Send her this link: http://www.jw.com/site/jsp/publicationinfo.jsp?id=935 (Sorry, it's a powerpoint. It's not mine) Sean C. Crandall Registered Patent Attorney Jackson Walker L.L.P. 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 San Antonio, Texas 78205 Phone: (210) 978.7714 Fax: (210) 242.4656 email: scrandall@jw.com > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Leif Johnson > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:33 AM > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: [SATLUG] Large Mailbox threshold > > > Can someone tell me if it really matters how much email my boss > accumulates and refuses to pop down to her workstation? > Logwatch has been > warning me, but the boss likes to pop and save a copy on the > server to > imap from home. I guess my question is: WHAT IF THE THRESHOLD > IS EXCEEDED? > Will her mailbox freeze up at some point. How do I avoid the > wrath that > would ensure once the superintendent's mail box freezes even after > repeated suggestions to empty it? > > logwatch ----snip---- > Large Mailbox threshold: 40MB (41943040 bytes) > Warning: Large mailbox: reptile (77950155) > Warning: Large mailbox: vermin (73338008) > > -- > Sincerely, > Leif Johnson > (361) 749-1200 x. 316 > http://blog.paisd.net > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 16:46:40 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Mar 26 16:46:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Large Mailbox threshold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1003aeaa0903261446m65cf695bt72dece19126185d9@mail.gmail.com> You can get corruption if the pop server times out before it can finish opening the mailbox. It takes so long to open, the server assumes the process died and removes the lock file, allowing a new POP connection to start. POP is not designed for multiaccess so corruption is almost guaranteed at this point. There is no set size that this will happen at. It is a function of the server timeout and how fast your system can scan the mailbox. I've seen this happen on 100MB mailboxes and 300MB mailboxes. POP is not meant to be used this way. IMAP clients can be configured to keep local copies of all messages if someone is concerned about archiving. -Henry On 3/26/09, Leif Johnson wrote: > > Can someone tell me if it really matters how much email my boss > accumulates and refuses to pop down to her workstation? Logwatch has been > warning me, but the boss likes to pop and save a copy on the server to > imap from home. I guess my question is: WHAT IF THE THRESHOLD IS EXCEEDED? > Will her mailbox freeze up at some point. How do I avoid the wrath that > would ensure once the superintendent's mail box freezes even after > repeated suggestions to empty it? > > logwatch ----snip---- > Large Mailbox threshold: 40MB (41943040 bytes) > Warning: Large mailbox: reptile (77950155) > Warning: Large mailbox: vermin (73338008) > > -- > Sincerely, > Leif Johnson > (361) 749-1200 x. 316 > http://blog.paisd.net > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 26 19:19:59 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Mar 26 19:20:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Richard Stallman (FSF/GNU) Lecture Update Message-ID: The folks at XCSSA.org have arranged reserved seating for their krewe at the April 20 Stallman lecture at Trinity University, with carpooling from SAC. Should our SATLUG coordinator (Todd) do the same, or do we demonstrate our independent nature by making our own ways to the overcrowded[1] venue? --Don [1] One can hope. -- Cry 'Yvahk' and let slip the GNUs of war! --Don 391925f6 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Mar 26 21:11:05 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Mar 26 21:11:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Richard Stallman (FSF/GNU) Lecture Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1238119865.16020.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I don't mind either way just give me a heads up by the eom. I will need a solid head count so I can reserve meeting and I will only reserve for the number that confirms by the eom. any extras will have to play it by ear. Todd On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 19:19 -0500, Don Wright wrote: > The folks at XCSSA.org have arranged reserved seating for their krewe at > the April 20 Stallman lecture at Trinity University, with carpooling > from SAC. > > Should our SATLUG coordinator (Todd) do the same, or do we demonstrate > our independent nature by making our own ways to the overcrowded[1] > venue? --Don > > > [1] One can hope. > > -- > Cry 'Yvahk' and let slip the GNUs of war! > --Don 391925f6 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Mar 26 21:53:50 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Mar 26 21:53:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] laptop batteries Message-ID: <200903270253.n2R2roaS019355@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I have a question about laptop batteries. I have an inspiron 9400 (made by Dell), which is now a couple of years old, but works beautifully. It has a dual-core 1.6 GHZ Intel chipset. I have 2 batteries for it, which I always recharge fully after use and take out of the machine and store when not in use. I never leave the batteries in the laptop while the AC power is connected after they are recharged for fear that I may decrease the battery's life. My question is: Am I unnecessarily paranoid about overcharging the batteries, and could I rely on the electronics to automatically shut off charging when full in this newer laptop (running slackware 12.2)? My experience with older laptops has been that batteries never lasted 2 years when left in the laptop all the time, but these are still pretty good, and last about 1.5-2 hours, when they were new they lasted about 2.5 hours. Is that because I take the batteries out when they are full, or is that unnecessary? I notice that the KLaptop applet from KDE reduces charging when it gets close to full, and then quits charging when 100% full (I assume this is true because of the way the charging light first comes on only sporadically and finally turns off completely when 100% charging state has been reached). Any insights on how to extend battery life on these types of laptops would be most welcome! Thanks, -Borries From satlug at net153.net Thu Mar 26 22:42:58 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Mar 26 22:43:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] laptop batteries In-Reply-To: <200903270253.n2R2roaS019355@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903270253.n2R2roaS019355@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49CC4B42.5030302@net153.net> Borries Demeler wrote: > I have a question about laptop batteries. > > I have an inspiron 9400 (made by Dell), which is now a couple of years > old, but works beautifully. It has a dual-core 1.6 GHZ Intel chipset. > I have 2 batteries for it, which I always recharge fully after use and > take out of the machine and store when not in use. I never leave the > batteries in the laptop while the AC power is connected after they are > recharged for fear that I may decrease the battery's life. > > My question is: Am I unnecessarily paranoid about overcharging the > batteries, and could I rely on the electronics to automatically shut > off charging when full in this newer laptop (running slackware 12.2)? > > My experience with older laptops has been that batteries never lasted 2 > years when left in the laptop all the time, but these are still pretty good, > and last about 1.5-2 hours, when they were new they lasted about 2.5 hours. > > Is that because I take the batteries out when they are full, or > is that unnecessary? I notice that the KLaptop applet from KDE reduces > charging when it gets close to full, and then quits charging when 100% > full (I assume this is true because of the way the charging light first > comes on only sporadically and finally turns off completely when 100% > charging state has been reached). > > Any insights on how to extend battery life on these types of laptops > would be most welcome! > > Thanks, > -Borries http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ If I remember right the best way to deal with lith-ion is to store the batteries at 40% charge. Like when I take my laptop to school, once I get home I plug the laptop in but pull the battery until I will need it next time. Then I will put it back in a few hours before I leave to let it charge up. But I rarely use my laptop. It sits on top of my dresser for months at a time. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Mar 26 22:49:01 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Mar 26 22:49:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] laptop batteries In-Reply-To: <49CC4B42.5030302@net153.net> References: <200903270253.n2R2roaS019355@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49CC4B42.5030302@net153.net> Message-ID: <1238125741.16020.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I couldn't tell by your post but if you are using lithium ion batteries then you might want to read the following. It is enlightening http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm Todd On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 22:42 -0500, Samuel Leon wrote: > Borries Demeler wrote: > > I have a question about laptop batteries. > > > > I have an inspiron 9400 (made by Dell), which is now a couple of years > > old, but works beautifully. It has a dual-core 1.6 GHZ Intel chipset. > > I have 2 batteries for it, which I always recharge fully after use and > > take out of the machine and store when not in use. I never leave the > > batteries in the laptop while the AC power is connected after they are > > recharged for fear that I may decrease the battery's life. > > > > My question is: Am I unnecessarily paranoid about overcharging the > > batteries, and could I rely on the electronics to automatically shut > > off charging when full in this newer laptop (running slackware 12.2)? > > > > My experience with older laptops has been that batteries never lasted 2 > > years when left in the laptop all the time, but these are still pretty good, > > and last about 1.5-2 hours, when they were new they lasted about 2.5 hours. > > > > Is that because I take the batteries out when they are full, or > > is that unnecessary? I notice that the KLaptop applet from KDE reduces > > charging when it gets close to full, and then quits charging when 100% > > full (I assume this is true because of the way the charging light first > > comes on only sporadically and finally turns off completely when 100% > > charging state has been reached). > > > > Any insights on how to extend battery life on these types of laptops > > would be most welcome! > > > > Thanks, > > -Borries > > > http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ > > If I remember right the best way to deal with lith-ion is to store the > batteries at 40% charge. Like when I take my laptop to school, once I > get home I plug the laptop in but pull the battery until I will need it > next time. Then I will put it back in a few hours before I leave to let > it charge up. But I rarely use my laptop. It sits on top of my dresser > for months at a time. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Mar 26 23:35:19 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Mar 26 23:35:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Change our Name? In-Reply-To: <1237671047.10012.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20090320114229.58494009a5me06m8@shlrm.org> <1237671047.10012.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200903262335.19739.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 21 March 2009 04:30:47 pm Michael W Sellers wrote: > SATGLUG. I like it. You could change the logo to be Tux and the Gnu Gnu totally plastered with a keg. hehe.. Tweeks p.s. we just changed our logo to include our hardware hacking bent now.. tell me what you think: http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2009-04-20.html p.p.s. I made us up some shirts, hats and mugs with the new logos: http://www.cafepress.com/xcssa From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 02:07:28 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Fri Mar 27 02:07:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Large Mailbox threshold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1003aeaa0903270007g1dd7ea21kb0c36499c8416d3d@mail.gmail.com> You can get corruption if the pop server times out before it can finish opening the mailbox. It takes so long to open, the server assumes the process died and removes the lock file, allowing a new POP connection to start. POP is not designed for multiaccess so corruption is almost guaranteed at this point. There is no set size that this will happen at. It is a function of the server timeout and how fast your system can scan the mailbox. I've seen this happen on 100MB mailboxes and 300MB mailboxes. POP is not meant to be used this way. IMAP clients can be configured to keep local copies of all messages if someone is concerned about archiving. -Henry On 3/26/09, Leif Johnson wrote: > > Can someone tell me if it really matters how much email my boss > accumulates and refuses to pop down to her workstation? Logwatch has been > warning me, but the boss likes to pop and save a copy on the server to > imap from home. I guess my question is: WHAT IF THE THRESHOLD IS EXCEEDED? > Will her mailbox freeze up at some point. How do I avoid the wrath that > would ensure once the superintendent's mail box freezes even after > repeated suggestions to empty it? > > logwatch ----snip---- > Large Mailbox threshold: 40MB (41943040 bytes) > Warning: Large mailbox: reptile (77950155) > Warning: Large mailbox: vermin (73338008) > > -- > Sincerely, > Leif Johnson > (361) 749-1200 x. 316 > http://blog.paisd.net > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Mar 27 08:04:03 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Mar 27 08:04:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] laptop batteries In-Reply-To: <1238125741.16020.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <200903271304.n2RD43qJ008733@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > I couldn't tell by your post but if you are using lithium ion batteries > then you might want to read the following. It is enlightening > > http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm > > Todd > Samuel and Todd: Thanks very much for the pointer to the batteryuniversity website! This had exactly all of the information I was looking for. I learned a lot from their website, which is done very well - highly recommended! -b. From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 19:42:24 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Fri Mar 27 19:42:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Solaris 9 Partitions and Linux In-Reply-To: <24cb34e0903241537p2141311tc6e9cd84f9b956c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1003aeaa0903240912s42b0d8edhac3c8aa6cf10c995@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0903241537p2141311tc6e9cd84f9b956c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0903271742u7e7b812dkded6dd4877b176c6@mail.gmail.com> Actually Solaris on x86 can't read partitions that were created on Sparc because of endian issues. I found a discussion on it, and the developers said it won't happen. Luckily the Linux UFS driver does the byte-swapping. I found the real issue: the LUNs were part of a RAID, not single disks. I thought I was looking at 12 single disks, but it's really 2 RAID5 arrays. For some dumb reason they presented single disks to the Solaris servers then built a RAID across them from the host instead of doing it on the SAN. Either that, or the SAN driver is messed up and is showing single disks instead of RAIDs. -Henry On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Vinny Huckaba wrote: > If you just need to view/copy the data, you could boot the machine with > OpenSolaris live to see the luns/data. > > Or convert to ZFS =) > > Questions: > ?Do you have the switch zoned for access from the new HBA? ?Is the SAN > configured to allow any host to access the luns? > > If your switch zoning or SAN hosts aren't configured, you might see > "LUNS/WWN" of the switch or the storage controller, but they won't be the > raw storage LUNS your looking for. > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > >> I have a SAN with several LUNs that were used by Solaris 9 sparc >> servers. ?They supposedly have a single UFS sitting on slice 6 of each >> LUN. ?I am trying to access the data from a RHEL 5 x86 server. ?Sun >> partition support is enabled, as is UFS support (had to custom build >> for UFS). ?In theory this should work, even with the difference in >> platform .. the UFS driver in Linux has a byte-swapping routine that >> handles the endian problem, and I just need read-only support. >> >> The major issue is that Linux won't detect the slices at all. >> fdisk/sfdisk show an empty MSDOS partition table and they don't show >> up in dmesg on boot like they should. ?Testdisk will find a UFS >> signature on the disk, but complains that there is no valid partition >> table. ?I can't mount the UFS since there is no partition or slice to >> mount. >> >> Anyone have experience with Solaris slices/UFS in Linux? ?Am I missing >> something simple here? >> >> Thanks, >> Henry >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Mar 27 21:51:09 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Mar 27 21:51:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nifty little tool Message-ID: <1238208669.12444.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> thought some might be interested in this find. Neat little to for hooking up HD without an external case. http://eshop.macsales.com/Item_MRP.cfm?ID=10320&Item=NWTU2NV2SPATA Todd From mkr777 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 07:58:46 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Sat Mar 28 07:58:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nifty little tool In-Reply-To: <1238208669.12444.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1238208669.12444.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: I have their prior version. Comes very handy. All enthusiasts should have it in their toolbox. MKR On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > thought some might be interested in this find. Neat little to for > hooking up HD without an external case. > http://eshop.macsales.com/Item_MRP.cfm?ID=10320&Item=NWTU2NV2SPATA > > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 08:58:12 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Sat Mar 28 08:58:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI Message-ID: Hey Guys, I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources to run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet machine but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. Thanks, Matt From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Mar 28 09:04:56 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Mar 28 09:04:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CE2E88.4090400@suddenlink.net> Matt Graham wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources to > run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux > command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet machine > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. > > Thanks, > > Matt > I guess about the only things you can't do are graphics and video editing. You still have editors for text and developmental tools for hacking. It all depends on how dedicated you are to using the command line. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Mar 28 09:16:40 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Mar 28 09:16:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200903281416.n2SEGe2j027081@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Hey Guys, > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources to > run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux > command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet machine > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. > > Thanks, > > Matt I would ask the question in a different way: Tell us the problem you want to solve, and then we can tell you what CLI options are available. Otherwise, it appears more like a solution looking for a problem :-) -b. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Mar 28 09:32:04 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Mar 28 09:32:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nifty little tool Message-ID: <8e812ea504e74349a10c445b0ad7d58a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >thought some might be interested in this find. Neat little to for >hooking up HD without an external case. > http://eshop.macsales.com/Item_MRP.cfm?ID=10320&Item=NWTU2NV2SPATA -------------------------------------------------------------------- Available on Ebay via H.K. for <$5 Lou From siffland at nerdshack.com Sat Mar 28 09:49:49 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Sat Mar 28 09:49:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ae131d00903280749q6c587acekca940f9568dc0be@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Matt Graham wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources to > run X. ?What are some practical home uses for a Linux > command line? ?For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet machine > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. > > Thanks, > > Matt > -- How slow is slow? I have a toshiba portege 3110 300MHZ with 64M of RAM. I compiled mplayer with framebuffer support and use it to watch movies without X (great for the girls on a car trip with a compact flash card as the HDD the battery lasts for like 4 hours, I use center IM for instant messaging. even frozen bubble can play on the framebuffer without x on a slow machine (maybe yours is slower) and everyone loves frozen bubble. You can surf the web with dillo (yeah requires X but not a lot of resources). There are a lot of applications for the framebuffer that dont require *as much* of the over head as X does and can still allow you to use a gui. Plus they are great for writing perl scripts and programming in C (yeah compiling is a little slow someday i will max is out with 192MB of RAM and then i will be smoking). Just because the hardware is old does not mean it cannot be good for soem modern stuff. That being said if it is a 386 with 8mb RAM it might make a nice door stop ;) Sean From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Mar 28 11:22:12 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Mar 28 11:22:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <49CE2E88.4090400@suddenlink.net> References: <49CE2E88.4090400@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <1238257332.12444.10.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> you can use it as a router, you can use it as a media server, if its powerful enough you can use it as a mythbox or linuxmce core that pumps media to thin clients. none of these things requires much in the way of video. Todd On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 09:04 -0500, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Matt Graham wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources to > > run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux > > command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet machine > > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt > > > > I guess about the only things you can't do are graphics and video > editing. You still have editors for text and developmental tools for > hacking. It all depends on how dedicated you are to using the command line. From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 11:55:39 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Sat Mar 28 11:55:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI Message-ID: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > you can use it as a router, you can use it as a media server,? if its > powerful enough you can use it as a mythbox or linuxmce core that pumps > media to thin clients. none of these things requires much in the way of video.? You might also have enough resources X. Just not enough for KDE or Gnome. Have you tried TWM? No fancy menus but it is X. Bill From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 12:10:32 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Mar 28 12:10:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CE5A08.1060108@gmail.com> Matt Graham wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources to > run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux > command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet machine > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. Is it X that uses too many resources or Gnome? You can try a slimmer window manager. The slimmest that I know of is twm. Check that twm, xterm, and xclock are available and then set up X with: ####### mv .xinitrc .xinitrc.backup cat > ~/.xinitrc << "EOF" # Begin .xinitrc file xterm -g 80x40+0+0 & xclock -g 100x100-0+0 & twm EOF startx ####### The interface is a little different, but you should be able to launch a browser. If that works, you can then try another lightweight window manager like metacity, fluxbox, or sawfish. -- Bruce From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 12:11:45 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Sat Mar 28 12:12:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mediaserver? That sound interesting enough, though I don't have a PS3 or anything like that can receive the media. Being able to access divx movies and watch them on the plasma would be sweet. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > you can use it as a router, you can use it as a media server, if its > > powerful enough you can use it as a mythbox or linuxmce core that pumps > > media to thin clients. none of these things requires much in the way of > video. > > You might also have enough resources X. Just not enough for KDE or Gnome. > Have you tried TWM? No fancy menus but it is X. > > > Bill > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 12:13:17 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Sat Mar 28 12:13:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <49CE5A08.1060108@gmail.com> References: <49CE5A08.1060108@gmail.com> Message-ID: I backup a second. X definitely starts but just hangs that with the infamous X in the middle of the screen. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Matt Graham wrote: > >> Hey Guys, >> >> I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources >> to >> run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux >> command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet >> machine >> but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. >> > > Is it X that uses too many resources or Gnome? You can try a slimmer > window manager. The slimmest that I know of is twm. Check that twm, xterm, > and xclock are available and then set up X with: > > ####### > mv .xinitrc .xinitrc.backup > > cat > ~/.xinitrc << "EOF" > # Begin .xinitrc file > xterm -g 80x40+0+0 & > xclock -g 100x100-0+0 & > twm > EOF > > startx > ####### > > The interface is a little different, but you should be able to launch a > browser. If that works, you can then try another lightweight window manager > like metacity, fluxbox, or sawfish. > > -- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 12:15:31 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Sat Mar 28 12:15:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <200903281416.n2SEGe2j027081@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903281416.n2SEGe2j027081@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: There is no problem, just a inquiry in the possibilities of a laptop in the situation. Right now it has been hanging out for a week just wait for a command, like a puppy waiting for a crumb to fall. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Borries Demeler < demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote: > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources > to > > run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux > > command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet > machine > > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt > > I would ask the question in a different way: Tell us the problem you want > to solve, and then we can tell you what CLI options are available. > Otherwise, it appears more like a solution looking for a problem :-) > > -b. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Mar 28 12:22:16 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Mar 28 12:21:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49CE5CC8.9060508@suddenlink.net> That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> you can use it as a router, you can use it as a media server, if its >> powerful enough you can use it as a mythbox or linuxmce core that pumps >> media to thin clients. none of these things requires much in the way of video. > > You might also have enough resources X. Just not enough for KDE or Gnome. Have you tried TWM? No fancy menus but it is X. > > > Bill > IceWM is also a good, light-weight window manager that he might consider. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 12:40:43 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sat Mar 28 12:40:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI Message-ID: <331086.19918.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Matt Graham wrote: > From: Matt Graham > Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 9:58 AM > Hey Guys, > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not > enough resources to > run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux > command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome > console\telnet machine > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. > > Thanks, > > Matt > -- it could be used as a cable router, nice squid proxy/cache gateway, firewall, sniffer, etc. just make sure you power it and your lights off today for an hour at 8:30 PM your local time. http://www.earthhour.org/home/ best regards, esv. From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 12:56:51 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Mar 28 12:56:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <49CE5A08.1060108@gmail.com> References: <49CE5A08.1060108@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/28/09, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Matt Graham wrote: > > > Hey Guys, > > > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources > to > > run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux > > command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet > machine > > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. > > > > Is it X that uses too many resources or Gnome? You can try a slimmer > window manager. The slimmest that I know of is twm. Check that twm, xterm, > and xclock are available and then set up X with: > > ####### > mv .xinitrc .xinitrc.backup > > cat > ~/.xinitrc << "EOF" > # Begin .xinitrc file > xterm -g 80x40+0+0 & > xclock -g 100x100-0+0 & > twm > EOF > > startx > ####### > > The interface is a little different, but you should be able to launch a > browser. If that works, you can then try another lightweight window manager > like metacity, fluxbox, or sawfish. > > -- Bruce > twm could be a real good way to go. I always liked FVWM but that was a "look and feel" thing. There are a lot more options at: "Window Managers for X" I read a lot of comments about people running Xfce on ubuntu. Another option is the last great thing CLI did to be graphic: "ncurses: Old School Interfaces" Michael J. Hammel Friday, November 15th, 2002 (this is the cached link URL. a subscription login was required for the regular URL below) (this link was found googling for "text ncurses based window manager") [Article excerpt] Even if a system can?t provide raster graphics, there?s no reason it can?t offer the convenience of windowed interfaces. Perhaps you?ve never heard of it, or perhaps you?ve just forgotten about it ? in any case, the ncurses library lets you build windowed applications for character-based displays. "ncurses" examples you may or may not be familiar with: YaST and YaST2 on SuSE before Novell bought them. Aptitude - an ncurses front-end for apt. (Synaptic is the X-based graphic front-end) HTH From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 13:00:54 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Mar 28 13:00:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] One File System Reading Another (borrowed from Solaris Discussion) Message-ID: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> Starting a different thread from what Henry originally wrote: > Henry Pugsley wrote: >> Actually Solaris on x86 can't read partitions that were created on >> Sparc because of endian issues. I found a discussion on it, and the >> developers said it won't happen. Luckily the Linux UFS driver does >> the byte-swapping. >> Perhaps some of you can help me with what should have been among my newbie questions a few years back: why is it that Linux- based systems seem natively able to read, or at least be aware of NTFS and FAT-32 partitions, among others, while in reverse it appears that NTFS or FAT-32 cannot read or are unaware or EXT2/3 partitions? Arrogance, maybe...? That one's always kinda puzzled me... Cheers; Ed From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 13:25:46 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Mar 28 13:25:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49CE6BAA.1080805@gmail.com> Why not back-off Ubuntu in this case, and run DSL? That whole OS could be run in RAM, GUI included, and your HDD could then serve any number of functions... Cheers; Ed ================= That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> you can use it as a router, you can use it as a media server, if its >> powerful enough you can use it as a mythbox or linuxmce core that pumps >> media to thin clients. none of these things requires much in the way of video. >> > > You might also have enough resources X. Just not enough for KDE or Gnome. Have you tried TWM? No fancy menus but it is X. > > > Bill > > > > > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 13:57:13 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sat Mar 28 13:57:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <49CE6BAA.1080805@gmail.com> References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49CE6BAA.1080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ksss4pvhtn5oea0eko6inb3v441s8ulr2@4ax.com> Here's a good reason not to run DSL: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090323#feature On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:25:46 -0500, ed wrote: >Why not back-off Ubuntu in this case, and run DSL? That whole OS could >be run in RAM, GUI included, and your HDD could then serve any number of >functions... -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 14:38:38 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Mar 28 14:38:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <9ksss4pvhtn5oea0eko6inb3v441s8ulr2@4ax.com> References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49CE6BAA.1080805@gmail.com> <9ksss4pvhtn5oea0eko6inb3v441s8ulr2@4ax.com> Message-ID: <49CE7CBE.40201@gmail.com> TCL: Gotcha! Reviewed it. Snagged it. Gonna play with it. Cheers; Ed Don Wright wrote: > Here's a good reason not to run DSL: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090323#feature > > > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:25:46 -0500, ed wrote: > > >> Why not back-off Ubuntu in this case, and run DSL? That whole OS could >> be run in RAM, GUI included, and your HDD could then serve any number of >> functions... >> > > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 14:41:49 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Mar 28 14:41:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] External Storage In-Reply-To: <49CE78D7.80000@comcast.net> References: <49CE78D7.80000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49CE7D7D.90109@gmail.com> Why shouldn't it work in Linux? USB is USB. My laptop sees and uses my WD 1TB "My Book" without issue. Why should this tool be any different? Cheers; Ed ============ Ian L. Target wrote: > http://eshop.macsales.com/Item_MRP.cfm?ID=10320&Item=NWTU2NV2SPATA > > Has anyone use the above device with Linux? If so, would you please > comment > on your experience? > > Thanks > > Ian > > > > > > > > -- > "The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control > immigration." - unknown > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Mar 28 15:03:22 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Mar 28 15:01:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] External Storage In-Reply-To: <49CE78D7.80000@comcast.net> References: <49CE78D7.80000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49CE828A.2080904@suddenlink.net> Ian L. Target wrote: > http://eshop.macsales.com/Item_MRP.cfm?ID=10320&Item=NWTU2NV2SPATA > > Has anyone use the above device with Linux? If so, would you please > comment > on your experience? > > Thanks > > Ian > > > This can be used with any OS which does USB. Yes, I have used it with Mac OS-X, Linux, and Windows. It works as advertised. From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:06:37 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Mar 28 15:06:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] nifty little tool In-Reply-To: <1238208669.12444.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1238208669.12444.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <200903281506.37866.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 27 March 2009 21:51:09 Todd W. Bucy wrote: > thought some might be interested in this find. Neat little to for > hooking up HD without an external case. > http://eshop.macsales.com/Item_MRP.cfm?ID=10320&Item=NWTU2NV2SPATA > > Todd > I use a very similar product for working on clients' hard drives. Very useful for deleting spyware, viruses, and other files and temp data which can be hard to remove from XP... especially the extra hidden files which don't show even when the options for showing hidden and system files are enabled. These are also handy for fixing a stubborn XP boot drive which get rendered unbootable after an unclean dismount or system freeze... often these can be mounted with the 'force' parameter and then unmounted. Then the drive is often bootable to Windows again. From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:06:46 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Mar 28 15:06:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] One File System Reading Another (borrowed from Solaris Discussion) In-Reply-To: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> References: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903281506.46728.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Saturday 28 March 2009 13:00:54 ed wrote: > Starting a different thread from what Henry originally wrote: > > > Henry Pugsley wrote: > >> Actually Solaris on x86 can't read partitions that were created on > >> Sparc because of endian issues. I found a discussion on it, and the > >> developers said it won't happen. Luckily the Linux UFS driver does > >> the byte-swapping. > >> > Perhaps some of you can help me with what should have been among my > newbie questions a few years back: why is it that Linux- based systems > seem natively able to read, or at least be aware of NTFS and FAT-32 > partitions, among others, while in reverse it appears that NTFS or > FAT-32 cannot read or are unaware or EXT2/3 partitions? Arrogance, > maybe...? That one's always kinda puzzled me... > > Cheers; > Ed > To take it one step further, some distributions, like Mandriva, can also write to NTFS. I use it all the time to delete pesky spyware, viruses and ultra-hidden files which XP can't show even with hidden and system files configured to be shown (like with recent versions of 'Antivirus XP 2009' and similar fraud programs). Basically, 99.998% of users running a system with NTFS file system have no need to read EXT2/3, let alone even know what it is. Nor do the guys in Redmond want their users to be able to do that. On the flip side, many Linux users do have the need to read/write to an NTFS volume at some point in time. Whether to access files they also use on a Windows system, or repair a Windows system, etc. From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Mar 28 15:10:00 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Mar 28 15:08:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <49CE7CBE.40201@gmail.com> References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49CE6BAA.1080805@gmail.com> <9ksss4pvhtn5oea0eko6inb3v441s8ulr2@4ax.com> <49CE7CBE.40201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CE8418.4050808@suddenlink.net> ed wrote: > > > TCL: Gotcha! Reviewed it. Snagged it. Gonna play with it. > > Cheers; > Ed > Here, here! From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:19:54 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sat Mar 28 15:19:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] One File System Reading Another (borrowed from Solaris Discussion) In-Reply-To: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> References: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0903281319t32b657f1rcc853f1a404848fc@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM, ed wrote: > Starting a different thread from what Henry originally wrote: > >> Henry Pugsley wrote: >>> >>> Actually Solaris on x86 can't read partitions that were created on >>> Sparc because of endian issues. ?I found a discussion on it, and the >>> developers said it won't happen. ?Luckily the Linux UFS driver does >>> the byte-swapping. >>> > > Perhaps some of you can help me with what should have been among my newbie > questions a few years back: ?why is it that Linux- based systems seem > natively able to read, or at least be aware of NTFS and FAT-32 partitions, > among others, while in reverse it appears that NTFS or FAT-32 cannot read or > are unaware or EXT2/3 partitions? ? Arrogance, maybe...? ?That one's always > kinda puzzled me... > > Cheers; > Ed > There are a number of reasons, ranging from technical to political, but it normally comes down to return on investment. Linux is not a commercial venture and development is driven by the needs of the community, not the demands of investors. If the community sees value in the ability of Linux to read Windows filesystems, someone will write the support and others will help improve it. There is a big enough developer pool that chances are someone is going to be interested in helping, and once it hits the main kernel tree, support and ongoing maintenance is pretty much guaranteed. For Microsoft to write an ext2/3 driver for Windows, they have to ask and answer a lot of questions. How many of our customers need/want this? How much money will it take to build and maintain support? Can we support this in the future? And probably the most important: why do we want interop with an operating system that eats away at our bottom line? Sadly most commercial software thrives on vendor lock-in, and giving people the option to use something else is like shooting yourself in the foot. Microsoft won't care about interop until it makes a difference in their bottom line. -Henry From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 16:36:10 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Mar 28 16:35:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] KDE 4.2.2 is on Mandriva Cooker Message-ID: <200903281636.11237.jdchoate@gmail.com> Since installing Mandriva 2009.1 RC1, I have been applying updates on a daily basis and generally have been happy with the results, with improvements each day. The big surprise of the day was to find that there are many updates to KDE, bringing it up to Version: 4.2.2-1mdv2009.1. I checked kde.org for a changelog and they are still listing 4.2.1 as the newest release. I suppose 4.2.2 might be on the developer page, but I haven't looked yet. Anyway, 4.2.2 is out there and making its way to the update repositories. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Mar 28 19:38:32 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Mar 28 19:38:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1238287112.12444.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> what is better is being able to watch all of your dvd's of the hard drive on the plasma. no more hunting for the DVD! Todd On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 12:11 -0500, Matt Graham wrote: > Mediaserver? That sound interesting enough, though I don't have a PS3 or > anything like that can receive the media. Being able to access divx movies > and watch them on the plasma would be sweet. > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, That clown again.... > wrote: > > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > you can use it as a router, you can use it as a media server, if its > > > powerful enough you can use it as a mythbox or linuxmce core that pumps > > > media to thin clients. none of these things requires much in the way of > > video. > > > > You might also have enough resources X. Just not enough for KDE or Gnome. > > Have you tried TWM? No fancy menus but it is X. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From satlug at vinny.us Sat Mar 28 20:23:38 2009 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Sat Mar 28 20:23:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24cb34e0903281823n285d3013u6cc8e36284e83e6f@mail.gmail.com> MPG123 to listen to music, that with bluetooth and a symbian, maybe android and you've got a music player with remote. Or just telnet/ssh into it from your workstation to control the tunes. http://www.mpg123.de/ On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Matt Graham wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I successfully loaded xubuntu 8.04 on a laptop with not enough resources to > run X. What are some practical home uses for a Linux > command line? For work I would have a pretty awesome console\telnet > machine > but am struggling to fine a beneficial home use. > > Thanks, > > Matt > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 20:58:15 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Mar 28 20:58:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] One File System Reading Another (borrowed from Solaris Discussion) In-Reply-To: <200903281506.46728.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> <200903281506.46728.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CED5B7.4080404@gmail.com> John D Choate wrote: > On Saturday 28 March 2009 13:00:54 ed wrote: > >> Starting a different thread from what Henry originally wrote: >> >> >>> Henry Pugsley wrote: >>> >>>> Actually Solaris on x86 can't read partitions that were created on >>>> Sparc because of endian issues. I found a discussion on it, and the >>>> developers said it won't happen. Luckily the Linux UFS driver does >>>> the byte-swapping. >>>> >>>> >> Perhaps some of you can help me with what should have been among my >> newbie questions a few years back: why is it that Linux- based systems >> seem natively able to read, or at least be aware of NTFS and FAT-32 >> partitions, among others, while in reverse it appears that NTFS or >> FAT-32 cannot read or are unaware or EXT2/3 partitions? Arrogance, >> maybe...? That one's always kinda puzzled me... >> >> Cheers; >> Ed >> >> > > > > To take it one step further, some distributions, like Mandriva, can also write to NTFS. I use it all the time to delete pesky spyware, viruses and ultra-hidden files which XP can't show even with hidden and system files configured to be shown (like with recent versions of 'Antivirus XP 2009' and similar fraud programs). > No issue there -- I've been reading and writing to NTFS and FAT-32 disks from Ubuntu for nearly 3 years now. > Basically, 99.998% of users running a system with NTFS file system have no need to read EXT2/3, let alone even know what it is. Nor do the guys in Redmond want their users to be able to do that. Oh well... That addresses my "arrogance" question... But, what about networking - a Linux machine entering a secured Winderz network...? I can do that, with a little pain and suffering, but the average bear...? > On the flip side, many Linux users do have the need to read/write to an NTFS volume at some point in time. Whether to access files they also use on a Windows system, or repair a Windows system, etc. > True... Just seemed rather intriguing that it didn't work both ways. I've found Winderz-based "reader" programs, that'll tell you what's on an ext2/3 disk, even allow you to move or remove files, but not to access them as a user... Cheers; Ed From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 22:56:37 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Sat Mar 28 22:56:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <1238287112.12444.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1238287112.12444.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: That's what I'm screaming. How?... is the burning question now... On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > what is better is being able to watch all of your dvd's of the hard > drive on the plasma. no more hunting for the DVD! > > Todd > > On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 12:11 -0500, Matt Graham wrote: > > Mediaserver? That sound interesting enough, though I don't have a PS3 or > > anything like that can receive the media. Being able to access divx > movies > > and watch them on the plasma would be sweet. > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, That clown again.... > > wrote: > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > > you can use it as a router, you can use it as a media server, if its > > > > powerful enough you can use it as a mythbox or linuxmce core that > pumps > > > > media to thin clients. none of these things requires much in the way > of > > > video. > > > > > > You might also have enough resources X. Just not enough for KDE or > Gnome. > > > Have you tried TWM? No fancy menus but it is X. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Mar 28 23:06:58 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Mar 28 23:07:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: References: <976934.25785.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1238287112.12444.11.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1238299618.12444.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> well if you use it as a media server for a myth box you will have to nfs a share within /val/lib/mythtv. if you have problems with gnome xubuntu then you are better off using it as either a server or router. Poke around the mythtv and ubuntu forums. without knowing more about the specs its hard to say though. Todd On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 22:56 -0500, Matt Graham wrote: > That's what I'm screaming. How?... is the burning question now... > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > what is better is being able to watch all of your dvd's of the hard > > drive on the plasma. no more hunting for the DVD! > > > > Todd > > > > On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 12:11 -0500, Matt Graham wrote: > > > Mediaserver? That sound interesting enough, though I don't have a PS3 or > > > anything like that can receive the media. Being able to access divx > > movies > > > and watch them on the plasma would be sweet. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, That clown again.... > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > > > you can use it as a router, you can use it as a media server, if its > > > > > powerful enough you can use it as a mythbox or linuxmce core that > > pumps > > > > > media to thin clients. none of these things requires much in the way > > of > > > > video. > > > > > > > > You might also have enough resources X. Just not enough for KDE or > > Gnome. > > > > Have you tried TWM? No fancy menus but it is X. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 02:39:50 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Mar 29 02:39:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] One File System Reading Another (borrowed from Solaris Discussion) In-Reply-To: <49CED5B7.4080404@gmail.com> References: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> <200903281506.46728.jdchoate@gmail.com> <49CED5B7.4080404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0903290039m3d4170a3m17e44dc22fdded8e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:58 PM, ed wrote: > > True... ?Just seemed rather intriguing that it didn't work both ways. ?I've > found Winderz-based "reader" programs, that'll tell you what's on an ext2/3 > disk, even allow you to move or remove files, but not to access them as a > user... > > Cheers; > Ed > Personally I like the idea that my Windows OS can't access the files on my Linux drive in a straightforward manner. It would suck if a Windows virus managed to hose your Linux install, wouldn't it? There is far less risk involved in Linux accessing Windows partitions than the other way around. As for network file sharing, keep in mind that SMB had to be reverse engineered by the Samba Project. Even though the original protocol was developed by IBM, Microsoft modified it so heavily that standard clients wouldn't work with it anymore. The Samba Project actually had to pay Microsoft to get documentation on the protocol, and they are not allowed to share the original documentation with anyone. The funny part is that the Linux implementation is faster than Microsoft and has been for a long time. -Henry From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Mar 29 20:07:20 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Mar 29 20:07:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad Message-ID: <200903300107.n2U17KS9010320@biochem.uthscsa.edu> The touchpad on my Dell inspiron 9400 is extremely sensity. Just hovering above the TP without actually touching it can make the mouse pointer jump around. Since I use a USB mouse, I'd rather turn off the touchpad alltogether, but disabling it in the BIOS is not doing the trick. Any other suggestions? Is it possible to disable it in X? -b. From justin.burdette at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 20:13:11 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Sun Mar 29 20:13:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <200903300107.n2U17KS9010320@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903300107.n2U17KS9010320@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: What distro? I know in Ubuntu it's possible, but I'd have to look at my laptop to tell you how to get there. Justin On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Borries Demeler wrote: > The touchpad on my Dell inspiron 9400 is extremely sensity. Just hovering above > the TP without actually touching it can make the mouse pointer jump around. > Since I use a USB mouse, I'd rather turn off the touchpad alltogether, but disabling > it in the BIOS is not doing the trick. Any other suggestions? Is it possible to disable > it in X? > > -b. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Get help from Justin Burdette! From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 29 20:16:32 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Sun Mar 29 20:16:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI Message-ID: <487807.52891.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Don Wright wrote: > Here's a good reason not to run DSL: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090323#feature Just tried the Tiny Core Linux mentioned in this article in a VM and it booted into X in about 30 seconds. And only a 10 meg distro!!! Bill From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Mar 29 20:35:35 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Mar 29 20:35:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200903300135.n2U1ZZHT011395@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > What distro? > > I know in Ubuntu it's possible, but I'd have to look at my laptop to > tell you how to get there. > > Justin Slackware 12.2 + KDE. -b. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Mar 30 00:10:14 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Mar 30 00:10:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad Message-ID: <6bbd87f816ac4f199f50d11585e11bec.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >The touchpad on my Dell inspiron 9400 is extremely sensity. Just hovering above >the TP without actually touching it can make the mouse pointer jump around. >Since I use a USB mouse, I'd rather turn off the touchpad alltogether, but >disabling it in the BIOS is not doing the trick. Any other suggestions? Is >it possible to disable it in X? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Agravating isn't it, my Acer 4420 is the same, and I too switched to a USB mouse. Sometimes mere proximity of my hand and fingers (typing) causes wild excursions. Believe the culprit is hand capacitance and static electricity. If I can locate my static wrist grounding strap, I'll share results. It has worsened lately, wish I'd kept notes, relating to dates/weather conditions. Low humidity increases static intensity. A USB KB in addition to the USB mouse would eliminte the PITA factor (and increase my typing speed). Lou From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Mar 30 08:31:19 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Mar 30 08:31:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <6bbd87f816ac4f199f50d11585e11bec.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <200903301331.n2UDVJgJ003055@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Agravating isn't it, Yup. No kidding! > my Acer 4420 is the same, and I too switched to a USB m= > ouse=2E > Sometimes mere proximity of my hand and fingers (typing) causes wild excursi= > ons=2E > Believe the culprit is hand capacitance and static electricity=2E If I can l= > ocate > my static wrist grounding strap, I'll share results=2E It has worsened late= > ly, > wish I'd kept notes, relating to dates/weather conditions=2E Low humidity i= > ncreases=20 > static intensity=2E A USB KB in addition to the USB mouse would eliminte th= > e PITA=20 > factor (and increase my typing speed)=2E ...but it should be possible to turn the darn thing off entirely! -b. From msellers at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 09:00:42 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael W Sellers) Date: Mon Mar 30 09:00:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <6bbd87f816ac4f199f50d11585e11bec.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <6bbd87f816ac4f199f50d11585e11bec.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <1238421642.2345.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> My HP laptop is not overly sensitive, but when typing I apparently touch it ever so slightly. Thankfully, there is a button between the keypad and the touchpad whereby I can turn the touchpad off. Maybe you have a button, too? Although, the touchpad gets reactivated on a boot, even when the touchpad is switched off. I just have to cycle the switch. Mike On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 01:10 -0400, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >The touchpad on my Dell inspiron 9400 is extremely sensity. Just hovering above > >the TP without actually touching it can make the mouse pointer jump around. > >Since I use a USB mouse, I'd rather turn off the touchpad alltogether, but > >disabling it in the BIOS is not doing the trick. Any other suggestions? Is > >it possible to disable it in X? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Agravating isn't it, my Acer 4420 is the same, and I too switched to a USB mouse. > Sometimes mere proximity of my hand and fingers (typing) causes wild excursions. > Believe the culprit is hand capacitance and static electricity. If I can locate > my static wrist grounding strap, I'll share results. It has worsened lately, > wish I'd kept notes, relating to dates/weather conditions. Low humidity increases > static intensity. A USB KB in addition to the USB mouse would eliminte the PITA > factor (and increase my typing speed). > > Lou > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Mar 30 09:13:33 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Mar 30 09:13:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <1238421642.2345.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200903301413.n2UEDXqR006290@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > My HP laptop is not overly sensitive, but when typing I apparently touch > it ever so slightly. Thankfully, there is a button between the keypad > and the touchpad whereby I can turn the touchpad off. Maybe you have a > button, too? Although, the touchpad gets reactivated on a boot, even > when the touchpad is switched off. I just have to cycle the switch. You are blessed, I don't have such a button. I'll have to check with Dell, supposedly one can disable the TP from the BIOS, but my computer is ignoring this setting. -b. > > Mike > > > On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 01:10 -0400, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > >The touchpad on my Dell inspiron 9400 is extremely sensity. Just hovering above > > >the TP without actually touching it can make the mouse pointer jump around. > > >Since I use a USB mouse, I'd rather turn off the touchpad alltogether, but > > >disabling it in the BIOS is not doing the trick. Any other suggestions? Is > > >it possible to disable it in X? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Agravating isn't it, my Acer 4420 is the same, and I too switched to a USB mouse. > > Sometimes mere proximity of my hand and fingers (typing) causes wild excursions. > > Believe the culprit is hand capacitance and static electricity. If I can locate > > my static wrist grounding strap, I'll share results. It has worsened lately, > > wish I'd kept notes, relating to dates/weather conditions. Low humidity increases > > static intensity. A USB KB in addition to the USB mouse would eliminte the PITA > > factor (and increase my typing speed). > > > > Lou > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From art at but-is-it-art.org Mon Mar 30 09:20:41 2009 From: art at but-is-it-art.org (Art Daddona) Date: Mon Mar 30 09:21:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <200903301413.n2UEDXqR006290@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903301413.n2UEDXqR006290@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49D0D539.3090707@but-is-it-art.org> The trackpad can be turned off in xorg.conf Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "false" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "MaxTapTime" "0" EndSection The SendCoreEvenets false will do this in X11. To turn off the trackpad at the command line... Turn off gpm. Hope this helps Borries Demeler wrote: >> My HP laptop is not overly sensitive, but when typing I apparently touch >> it ever so slightly. Thankfully, there is a button between the keypad >> and the touchpad whereby I can turn the touchpad off. Maybe you have a >> button, too? Although, the touchpad gets reactivated on a boot, even >> when the touchpad is switched off. I just have to cycle the switch. >> > > You are blessed, I don't have such a button. I'll have to check with Dell, > supposedly one can disable the TP from the BIOS, but my computer is ignoring > this setting. > > -b. > > > >> Mike >> >> >> On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 01:10 -0400, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> >>>> The touchpad on my Dell inspiron 9400 is extremely sensity. Just hovering above >>>> the TP without actually touching it can make the mouse pointer jump around. >>>> Since I use a USB mouse, I'd rather turn off the touchpad alltogether, but >>>> disabling it in the BIOS is not doing the trick. Any other suggestions? Is >>>> it possible to disable it in X? >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Agravating isn't it, my Acer 4420 is the same, and I too switched to a USB mouse. >>> Sometimes mere proximity of my hand and fingers (typing) causes wild excursions. >>> Believe the culprit is hand capacitance and static electricity. If I can locate >>> my static wrist grounding strap, I'll share results. It has worsened lately, >>> wish I'd kept notes, relating to dates/weather conditions. Low humidity increases >>> static intensity. A USB KB in addition to the USB mouse would eliminte the PITA >>> factor (and increase my typing speed). >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 10:06:06 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Mar 30 10:05:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Home uses for CLI In-Reply-To: <487807.52891.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <487807.52891.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D0DFDE.5050708@gmail.com> That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Don Wright wrote: > > >> Here's a good reason not to run DSL: >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090323#feature >> >> Just tried the Tiny Core Linux mentioned in this article in a VM and it booted into X in about 30 seconds. And only a 10 meg distro!!! >> >> >> Bill >> I've spent some time playing with it, myself, but will need a little more experience, I think, to push it to its limits. That's not to say that its not fun playing with it -- it is... :) Cheers; Ed From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 10:50:45 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Mar 30 10:50:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <1238421642.2345.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <6bbd87f816ac4f199f50d11585e11bec.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <1238421642.2345.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200903301050.46058.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Monday 30 March 2009 09:00:42 Michael W Sellers wrote: > My HP laptop is not overly sensitive, but when typing I apparently touch > it ever so slightly. Thankfully, there is a button between the keypad > and the touchpad whereby I can turn the touchpad off. Maybe you have a > button, too? Although, the touchpad gets reactivated on a boot, even > when the touchpad is switched off. I just have to cycle the switch. > > Mike My HP laptop also has this button, but the touchpad does not turn back on at boot time if I had it turned off at shutdown. I always keep it turned off and only use it if my mouse needs a battery change and no batteries are nearby. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Mar 30 11:18:04 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Mar 30 11:18:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <49D0D539.3090707@but-is-it-art.org> Message-ID: <200903301618.n2UGI4JT016887@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > The trackpad can be turned off in xorg.conf > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" > Driver "synaptics" > Option "SendCoreEvents" "false" > Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" > Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" > Option "MaxTapTime" "0" > EndSection > > The SendCoreEvenets false will do this in X11. > > To turn off the trackpad at the command line... Turn off gpm. Thanks, Art, but... Unfortunately, neither solution made any difference at all. It seems my touchpad and mouse are ohandled by the same driver. So unless I turn off the mouse driver altogether, I cannot disable the touchpad. -b. From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 11:28:42 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Mar 30 11:28:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <200903301618.n2UGI4JT016887@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903301618.n2UGI4JT016887@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <200903301128.42426.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Monday 30 March 2009 11:18:04 Borries Demeler wrote: > > > > The trackpad can be turned off in xorg.conf > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" > > Driver "synaptics" > > Option "SendCoreEvents" "false" > > Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" > > Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" > > Option "MaxTapTime" "0" > > EndSection > > > > The SendCoreEvenets false will do this in X11. > > > > To turn off the trackpad at the command line... Turn off gpm. > > Thanks, Art, but... > Unfortunately, neither solution made any difference at all. It seems my touchpad > and mouse are ohandled by the same driver. So unless I turn off the mouse driver > altogether, I cannot disable the touchpad. > > -b. Maybe time to try good old duct tape. If you build up enough layers, maybe you can insulate it from your touch. :) Just a thought. From corpustexn at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 11:34:00 2009 From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Mon Mar 30 11:34:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <200903301128.42426.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <249930.53692.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/30/09, John D Choate wrote: > From: John D Choate > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:28 AM > On Monday 30 March 2009 11:18:04 Borries Demeler wrote: > > > > > > The trackpad can be turned off in xorg.conf > > > Section "InputDevice" > > > Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" > > > Driver "synaptics" > > > Option "SendCoreEvents" > "false" > > > Option "Device" > "/dev/psaux" > > > Option "Protocol" > "auto-dev" > > > Option "MaxTapTime" > "0" > > > EndSection > > > > > > The SendCoreEvenets false will do this in X11. > > > > > > To turn off the trackpad at the command line... > Turn off gpm. > > > > Thanks, Art, but... > > Unfortunately, neither solution made any difference at > all. It seems my touchpad > > and mouse are ohandled by the same driver. So unless I > turn off the mouse driver > > altogether, I cannot disable the touchpad. > > > > -b. > >You could try commenting the line "options psmouse proto=imps" in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jehaywood at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 13:45:38 2009 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Mon Mar 30 13:45:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] One File System Reading Another (borrowed from Solaris Discussion) In-Reply-To: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> References: <49CE65D6.2060600@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM, ed wrote: > Starting a different thread from what Henry originally wrote: > > Henry Pugsley wrote: >> >>> Actually Solaris on x86 can't read partitions that were created on >>> Sparc because of endian issues. I found a discussion on it, and the >>> developers said it won't happen. Luckily the Linux UFS driver does >>> the byte-swapping. >>> >>> >> Perhaps some of you can help me with what should have been among my newbie > questions a few years back: why is it that Linux- based systems seem > natively able to read, or at least be aware of NTFS and FAT-32 partitions, > among others, while in reverse it appears that NTFS or FAT-32 cannot read or > are unaware or EXT2/3 partitions? Arrogance, maybe...? That one's always > kinda puzzled me... > This is just a matter of device drivers for the VFS (virtual file system). Sun pioneered the idea (of the VFS) then it caught on with all the unix vendors. Windoze must have implemented the idea. Most Unixes will allow multiple device drivers for the VFS. What it really does is put function pointers into a device table in the kernel. Jennie -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Mar 30 20:24:12 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Mar 30 20:24:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad In-Reply-To: <249930.53692.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903310124.n2V1OCRn022488@biochem.uthscsa.edu> THanks, guys, for all the suggestions. I found another setting in the bios for a "Serial" mouse. When I selected that, it turned the touchpad off. The bios is either buggy or poorly worded. Anyway, the problem is solved. -b. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/30/09, John D Choate wrote: > > > From: John D Choate > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] how to turn off touchpad > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 11:28 AM > > On Monday 30 March 2009 11:18:04 Borries Demeler wrote: > > > > > > > > The trackpad can be turned off in xorg.conf > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > > > Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" > > > > Driver "synaptics" > > > > Option "SendCoreEvents" > > "false" > > > > Option "Device" > > "/dev/psaux" > > > > Option "Protocol" > > "auto-dev" > > > > Option "MaxTapTime" > > "0" > > > > EndSection > > > > > > > > The SendCoreEvenets false will do this in X11. > > > > > > > > To turn off the trackpad at the command line... > > Turn off gpm. > > > > > > Thanks, Art, but... > > > Unfortunately, neither solution made any difference at > > all. It seems my touchpad > > > and mouse are ohandled by the same driver. So unless I > > turn off the mouse driver > > > altogether, I cannot disable the touchpad. > > > > > > -b. > > > >You could try commenting the line "options psmouse proto=imps" in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse > > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Mar 31 10:07:06 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Mar 31 10:07:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] hostile referer Message-ID: <200903311507.n2VF76OQ024747@biochem.uthscsa.edu> We have a problem with a domain name. Here is an example: Let's say we have a domain called domain-a.com Now someone else created a new domain called domain-b.com. It has been set up to forward to our domain-a.com. However, all URL's that would normally show up under domain-a.com, are now always showing up as domain-b.com. Example: if I click on the link for myfile.html on the domain-a.com website, I get a URL that shows up as http://domain-a.com/myfile.html, if I go to https://domain-a.com/login.php, I see exactly this URL in the URL bar. However, when I come in through domain-b.com, and click on the link for myfile.html, I get http://domain-b.com in the URL, nothing else, and myfile.html never shows in the URL tab. Ditto for the secure login link. Even though it goes through the https link, this is hidden from the user, and the URL still shows "http://domain-b.com". Question: short of contacting the domain provider, is there a way that I can: 1. block any referrals to my website, domain-a.com, from domain-b.com? or: 2. force any referrals to my website from domain-b.com to be rewritten in the URL tab to be domain-a.com/whatever.html, incl. the secure login link? The owner of domain-b.com is hostile to us, and so we don't want to have to deal with him. We have tried a few options, but so far no cigar. We need a solution quick! Thanks for any help, -b. From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Mar 31 11:31:41 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Mar 31 11:39:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] hostile referer In-Reply-To: <200903311507.n2VF76OQ024747@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200903311507.n2VF76OQ024747@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49D2456D.9040509@futuretechsolutions.com> This looks like a fun one to work out. From your post, I am going to assume that domain-b.com is an entirely hostile entity and that no links referrals from them are to be trusted, and should all get pointed to a "bad-referer.html". I would use apache's mod_rewrite in this case, starting with the following directives, and tweaking from there. RewriteEngine On ReWriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} *.domain-b.com RewriteRule .* http://domain-a.com/bad-referer.html Documentation for mod_rewrite: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html Nice guide for writing rewrite rules, (including a better referer-based deflector, almost all the way to the bottom of the page): http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/rewriteguide.html Hope this helps. Charlie Borries Demeler wrote: > We have a problem with a domain name. > > Here is an example: > > Let's say we have a domain called domain-a.com > Now someone else created a new domain called domain-b.com. It has been > set up to forward to our domain-a.com. However, all URL's that would > normally show up under domain-a.com, are now always showing up > as domain-b.com. > > Example: if I click on the link for myfile.html on the domain-a.com > website, I get a URL that shows up as http://domain-a.com/myfile.html, > if I go to https://domain-a.com/login.php, I see exactly this URL in > the URL bar. > > However, when I come in through domain-b.com, and click on the link > for myfile.html, I get http://domain-b.com in the URL, nothing else, > and myfile.html never shows in the URL tab. > Ditto for the secure login link. Even though it goes through the https > link, this is hidden from the user, and the URL still shows "http://domain-b.com". > > Question: short of contacting the domain provider, is there a way that I > can: > > 1. block any referrals to my website, domain-a.com, from domain-b.com? > > or: > > 2. force any referrals to my website from domain-b.com to be rewritten > in the URL tab to be domain-a.com/whatever.html, incl. the secure login > link? The owner of domain-b.com is hostile to us, and so we don't > want to have to deal with him. > > We have tried a few options, but so far no cigar. We need a solution quick! > > Thanks for any help, -b. From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:26:49 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Mar 31 12:26:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] hostile referer In-Reply-To: <49D2456D.9040509@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <200903311507.n2VF76OQ024747@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D2456D.9040509@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0903311026m33b9e8a9q67f4eb3f43e161d1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Charles Hogan wrote: > This looks like a fun one to work out. ?From your post, I am going to assume > that domain-b.com is an entirely hostile entity and that no links referrals > from them are to be trusted, and should all get pointed to a > "bad-referer.html". > > I would use apache's mod_rewrite in this case, starting with the following > directives, and tweaking from there. > > RewriteEngine On > ReWriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} *.domain-b.com > RewriteRule .* http://domain-a.com/bad-referer.html > > Documentation for mod_rewrite: > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html > > Nice guide for writing rewrite rules, (including a better referer-based > deflector, almost all the way to the bottom of the page): > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/rewriteguide.html Charles, this was the first thing I tried along with HOST and REFERER. The problem I am seeing is the REFERER in this case, domain-b is simply forwarding requests from their domain to ours so the logs just show a http request from domain-b instead of domain-a. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Mar 31 12:40:28 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Mar 31 12:47:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] hostile referer In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0903311026m33b9e8a9q67f4eb3f43e161d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903311507.n2VF76OQ024747@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D2456D.9040509@futuretechsolutions.com> <79ec289f0903311026m33b9e8a9q67f4eb3f43e161d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D2558C.9060802@futuretechsolutions.com> Could you sanitize a couple of log entries from domain-b accesses and post them. That could be of some help. Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Charles Hogan > wrote: >> This looks like a fun one to work out. From your post, I am going to assume >> that domain-b.com is an entirely hostile entity and that no links referrals >> from them are to be trusted, and should all get pointed to a >> "bad-referer.html". >> >> I would use apache's mod_rewrite in this case, starting with the following >> directives, and tweaking from there. >> >> RewriteEngine On >> ReWriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} *.domain-b.com >> RewriteRule .* http://domain-a.com/bad-referer.html >> >> Documentation for mod_rewrite: >> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html >> >> Nice guide for writing rewrite rules, (including a better referer-based >> deflector, almost all the way to the bottom of the page): >> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/rewriteguide.html > > Charles, this was the first thing I tried along with HOST and REFERER. > The problem I am seeing is the REFERER in this case, domain-b is > simply forwarding requests from their domain to ours so the logs just > show a http request from domain-b instead of domain-a. > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 13:23:12 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:23:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] hostile referer In-Reply-To: <49D2558C.9060802@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <200903311507.n2VF76OQ024747@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D2456D.9040509@futuretechsolutions.com> <79ec289f0903311026m33b9e8a9q67f4eb3f43e161d1@mail.gmail.com> <49D2558C.9060802@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0903311123k6fea30b2uc345d1f03abfd4a5@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Charles Hogan wrote: > Could you sanitize a couple of log entries from domain-b accesses and post > them. ?That could be of some help. I saw my problem and fixed it, however now Firefox is telling me it cannot load the page because of an endless loop. What I have is: RewriteEngine On ReWriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} domain-a.org ReWriteRule .* http://domain-b.uthscsa.edu I don't see a loop. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Mar 31 13:49:28 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:49:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] hostile referer In-Reply-To: <49D2456D.9040509@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <200903311849.n2VInSaf011993@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Charles and Travis, thanks so much for your help, I think Jeremy has the problem contained now. Much appreciated, I knew I could find an apache expert on this list who would have a good suggestion :-) Thanks guys, -b. > > This looks like a fun one to work out. From your post, I am going to > assume that domain-b.com is an entirely hostile entity and that no links > referrals from them are to be trusted, and should all get pointed to a > "bad-referer.html". > > I would use apache's mod_rewrite in this case, starting with the > following directives, and tweaking from there. > > RewriteEngine On > ReWriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} *.domain-b.com > RewriteRule .* http://domain-a.com/bad-referer.html > > Documentation for mod_rewrite: > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html > > Nice guide for writing rewrite rules, (including a better referer-based > deflector, almost all the way to the bottom of the page): > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/misc/rewriteguide.html > > Hope this helps. > > Charlie > > Borries Demeler wrote: > > We have a problem with a domain name. > > > > Here is an example: > > > > Let's say we have a domain called domain-a.com > > Now someone else created a new domain called domain-b.com. It has been > > set up to forward to our domain-a.com. However, all URL's that would > > normally show up under domain-a.com, are now always showing up > > as domain-b.com. > > > > Example: if I click on the link for myfile.html on the domain-a.com > > website, I get a URL that shows up as http://domain-a.com/myfile.html, > > if I go to https://domain-a.com/login.php, I see exactly this URL in > > the URL bar. > > > > However, when I come in through domain-b.com, and click on the link > > for myfile.html, I get http://domain-b.com in the URL, nothing else, > > and myfile.html never shows in the URL tab. > > Ditto for the secure login link. Even though it goes through the https > > link, this is hidden from the user, and the URL still shows "http://domain-b.com". > > > > Question: short of contacting the domain provider, is there a way that I > > can: > > > > 1. block any referrals to my website, domain-a.com, from domain-b.com? > > > > or: > > > > 2. force any referrals to my website from domain-b.com to be rewritten > > in the URL tab to be domain-a.com/whatever.html, incl. the secure login > > link? The owner of domain-b.com is hostile to us, and so we don't > > want to have to deal with him. > > > > We have tried a few options, but so far no cigar. We need a solution quick! > > > > Thanks for any help, -b. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Mar 31 13:52:01 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Mar 31 13:59:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] hostile referer In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0903311123k6fea30b2uc345d1f03abfd4a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903311507.n2VF76OQ024747@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D2456D.9040509@futuretechsolutions.com> <79ec289f0903311026m33b9e8a9q67f4eb3f43e161d1@mail.gmail.com> <49D2558C.9060802@futuretechsolutions.com> <79ec289f0903311123k6fea30b2uc345d1f03abfd4a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D26651.8040600@futuretechsolutions.com> I had that problem once, and forgot how I fixed it. It is possible that HTTP_REFERER is not being reset. I would try resetting that environment variable in the rewrite rule by using the following ReWriteRule: ReWriteRule .* http://domain-b.uthscsa.edu [E=HTTP_REFERER:domain-b.uthscsa.edu] Or you could send them into a dir with RewriteEngine off set in the .htaccess file. Docs: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html#RewriteRule Charlie Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Charles Hogan > wrote: >> Could you sanitize a couple of log entries from domain-b accesses and post >> them. That could be of some help. > > I saw my problem and fixed it, however now Firefox is telling me it > cannot load the page because of an endless loop. What I have is: > > RewriteEngine On > ReWriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} domain-a.org > ReWriteRule .* http://domain-b.uthscsa.edu > > I don't see a loop. > From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:14:32 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Tue Mar 31 21:14:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server Message-ID: Ok so this is a spin off from my post over the weekend. I think I have chosen to go with the Media Server idea for my CLI hero. I think I will be purchasing this... http://www.hdtvsupply.com/network-media-server.html Now I need to tackle the daunting task of getting the Media Server running on my Xubuntu laptop. I have spent the evening trolling the internet for some help but have turned up next to noting. Do I need Mythbuntu installed. And if so, what part do I need? Front end?, Back end? I am lost. Does anyone have any experiance with Media Servers or know a better way to acomplish what I am lokking to do? Thanks guys, mag