From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jul 1 05:58:13 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jul 1 05:58:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <4A4AE20D.9070105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907011058.n61AwD4J029815@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Peter Cross wrote: > OK after looking at Toms hardware and Googling the crap out of it I am no > further then where I started. > > Which has better HDMI support ATI or NVidia? After much trial and error I got the ATI driver on my laptop working fine. However, you have to use their own GUI app to set/change the resolutions, with nVIDIA I had full control through the xorg file. I found the configuration of the nVIDIA cards much more straightforward for someone who is used to deal with xorg.conf files. I also preferred the 2-monitor behavior for situations where the 2 monitors have different resolutions. On the nVIDIA driver I was about to use all of the 1920x1200 screen space in clone mode when the second monitor was only 1600x1200. In the ATI card the clone mode stretches the 1600x1200 over the 1920x1200 space which distorts the aspect ratio. With my old nVIDIA card I was able to have some extra "private" screen space I could use during presentations that was invisible to the audience. I absolutely loved that. I would have never switched to ATI, but my laptop broke and Dell gave me a free upgraded replacement. Unfortunately, the replacement came with a ATI. If I had a choice, I definitely would go for nVIDIA. -Borries From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 1 08:40:53 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jul 1 08:41:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <4A4AE20D.9070105@gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906301408u48ef24a4lf0c9d8e71f5ff9b@mail.gmail.com> <4A4AE20D.9070105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1246455653.6590.2.camel@redpill-laptop> after thinking on this thread overnight. I decided that it was time to did a little further and maybe update my opinions with some current data. the following is a comparison between ATI and Nvidia on a Linux platform...seems like ATI is up and coming on the Linux Platform...I may just take the risk a ATI board on my next build. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=18017&page=1 enjoy Todd On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 23:11 -0500, ed wrote: > I've had my best luck with nVidia, after running 4 ATI cards in 3 > different machines, and nVidia in two. The "restricted" drivers for > nVidia actually give you the choice of a legacy Linux driver (which I > currently use in an older machine) and a top-line driver (which I've > installed for a few others). > > In fact, when I order parts next month for my new DIY media server, my > video card will be nVidia with HDMI. > > Cheers; > ed > ============ > > Peter Cross wrote: > > OK after looking at Toms hardware and Googling the crap out of it I am no > > further then where I started. > > > > Which has better HDMI support ATI or NVidia? > > > > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 11:18:48 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jul 1 11:18:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <1246455653.6590.2.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <7c63fb3d0906301408u48ef24a4lf0c9d8e71f5ff9b@mail.gmail.com> <4A4AE20D.9070105@gmail.com> <1246455653.6590.2.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A4B8C68.6070104@gmail.com> Hm. Nice article, but the author appeared to try to find any excuse to push/save ATI. Not a bad thing -- I used to be that way myself, until I had my first experience with an nVidia card under Linux. It was like night and day, and I'm not talking 5 years ago -- I'm talking now, like in the last year. I'm more at home using nVidia installation and driver packages in both legacy and current cards than I ever was with ATI, and the output quality seems so much better to me. I'm there... Cheers; Ed redpill wrote: > after thinking on this thread overnight. I decided that it was time to > did a little further and maybe update my opinions with some current > data. > > the following is a comparison between ATI and Nvidia on a Linux > platform...seems like ATI is up and coming on the Linux Platform...I may > just take the risk a ATI board on my next build. > > http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=18017&page=1 > > enjoy > Todd > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 11:29:26 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jul 1 11:29:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <4A4B8C68.6070104@gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0906301408u48ef24a4lf0c9d8e71f5ff9b@mail.gmail.com> <4A4AE20D.9070105@gmail.com> <1246455653.6590.2.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4B8C68.6070104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4B8EE6.6020000@gmail.com> ed wrote: > Hm. Nice article, but the author appeared to try to find any excuse to > push/save ATI. Not a bad thing -- I used to be that way myself, until I > had my first experience with an nVidia card under Linux. It was like > night and day, and I'm not talking 5 years ago -- I'm talking now, like > in the last year. I'm more at home using nVidia installation and driver > packages in both legacy and current cards than I ever was with ATI, and > the output quality seems so much better to me. I'm there... I agree that nVidia does a better job right now, but there is one other issue to consider. If there isn't a precompiled driver for your distro, you have to build your own. For me, that's not a big issue, but it might be for others. -- Bruce From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Jul 1 11:30:57 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Jul 1 11:30:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <4A4B8EE6.6020000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > ed wrote: > > Hm. Nice article, but the author appeared to try to find any excuse to > > push/save ATI. Not a bad thing -- I used to be that way myself, until I > > had my first experience with an nVidia card under Linux. It was like > > night and day, and I'm not talking 5 years ago -- I'm talking now, like > > in the last year. I'm more at home using nVidia installation and driver > > packages in both legacy and current cards than I ever was with ATI, and > > the output quality seems so much better to me. I'm there... > > I agree that nVidia does a better job right now, but there is one other issue to > consider. If there isn't a precompiled driver for your distro, you have to > build your own. For me, that's not a big issue, but it might be for others. While nVIDIA does provide some precompiled drivers, on every kernel I ever ran I had to compile it myself. Ditto for ATI, so not much of a difference there as far as I am concerned. -b. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 11:45:24 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jul 1 11:45:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> Borries Demeler wrote: >> ed wrote: >>> Hm. Nice article, but the author appeared to try to find any excuse to >>> push/save ATI. Not a bad thing -- I used to be that way myself, until I >>> had my first experience with an nVidia card under Linux. It was like >>> night and day, and I'm not talking 5 years ago -- I'm talking now, like >>> in the last year. I'm more at home using nVidia installation and driver >>> packages in both legacy and current cards than I ever was with ATI, and >>> the output quality seems so much better to me. I'm there... >> I agree that nVidia does a better job right now, but there is one other issue to >> consider. If there isn't a precompiled driver for your distro, you have to >> build your own. For me, that's not a big issue, but it might be for others. > > While nVIDIA does provide some precompiled drivers, on every kernel I ever ran > I had to compile it myself. Ditto for ATI, so not much of a difference there > as far as I am concerned. That's true, but its one reason why Linux still has a problem with general acceptance with non-techie computer users. I think Ubuntu and maybe RedHat have created a work around if you stay with the standard install/update process, but in general its a problem. -- Bruce From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 1 13:51:42 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jul 1 13:51:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> Great now Im having probs with my system's vid card. this all started when I decided late yesterday to reconfigure my Mythbox. I am running Ubuntu 9.04 and everything runs fine until I install the nvidia drivers. (I have tried this both with the Ubuntu restricted drivers install utility and with the envyng utility and while both installed the video driver properly they both disabled my sound card. I have double checked all of my sound settings under alsa and nothing is muted. Once I un-install the video driver I get my sound back. Not sure where to start troubleshooting this one. Anyone have any ideas? Todd On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 11:45 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Borries Demeler wrote: > >> ed wrote: > >>> Hm. Nice article, but the author appeared to try to find any excuse to > >>> push/save ATI. Not a bad thing -- I used to be that way myself, until I > >>> had my first experience with an nVidia card under Linux. It was like > >>> night and day, and I'm not talking 5 years ago -- I'm talking now, like > >>> in the last year. I'm more at home using nVidia installation and driver > >>> packages in both legacy and current cards than I ever was with ATI, and > >>> the output quality seems so much better to me. I'm there... > > >> I agree that nVidia does a better job right now, but there is one other issue to > >> consider. If there isn't a precompiled driver for your distro, you have to > >> build your own. For me, that's not a big issue, but it might be for others. > > > > While nVIDIA does provide some precompiled drivers, on every kernel I ever ran > > I had to compile it myself. Ditto for ATI, so not much of a difference there > > as far as I am concerned. > > That's true, but its one reason why Linux still has a problem with general > acceptance with non-techie computer users. I think Ubuntu and maybe RedHat have > created a work around if you stay with the standard install/update process, but > in general its a problem. > > -- Bruce From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 1 13:56:34 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jul 1 13:56:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <1246474594.6590.12.camel@redpill-laptop> forgot to include....vid card EVGA Nvidia 9800 GT...sound card Turtle Beach using a C-media CMI8768 chipset...also runnning Ubuntu 9.04 amd64 Todd On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 13:51 -0500, redpill wrote: > Great now Im having probs with my system's vid card. this all started > when I decided late yesterday to reconfigure my Mythbox. I am running > Ubuntu 9.04 and everything runs fine until I install the nvidia drivers. > (I have tried this both with the Ubuntu restricted drivers install > utility and with the envyng utility and while both installed the video > driver properly they both disabled my sound card. I have double checked > all of my sound settings under alsa and nothing is muted. Once I > un-install the video driver I get my sound back. Not sure where to > start troubleshooting this one. Anyone have any ideas? > > Todd > > On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 11:45 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Borries Demeler wrote: > > >> ed wrote: > > >>> Hm. Nice article, but the author appeared to try to find any excuse to > > >>> push/save ATI. Not a bad thing -- I used to be that way myself, until I > > >>> had my first experience with an nVidia card under Linux. It was like > > >>> night and day, and I'm not talking 5 years ago -- I'm talking now, like > > >>> in the last year. I'm more at home using nVidia installation and driver > > >>> packages in both legacy and current cards than I ever was with ATI, and > > >>> the output quality seems so much better to me. I'm there... > > > > >> I agree that nVidia does a better job right now, but there is one other issue to > > >> consider. If there isn't a precompiled driver for your distro, you have to > > >> build your own. For me, that's not a big issue, but it might be for others. > > > > > > While nVIDIA does provide some precompiled drivers, on every kernel I ever ran > > > I had to compile it myself. Ditto for ATI, so not much of a difference there > > > as far as I am concerned. > > > > That's true, but its one reason why Linux still has a problem with general > > acceptance with non-techie computer users. I think Ubuntu and maybe RedHat have > > created a work around if you stay with the standard install/update process, but > > in general its a problem. > > > > -- Bruce > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 1 13:57:12 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 1 13:57:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A4BB188.9040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> redpill wrote: > Great now Im having probs with my system's vid card. this all started > when I decided late yesterday to reconfigure my Mythbox. I am running > Ubuntu 9.04 and everything runs fine until I install the nvidia drivers. > (I have tried this both with the Ubuntu restricted drivers install > utility and with the envyng utility and while both installed the video > driver properly they both disabled my sound card. I have double checked > all of my sound settings under alsa and nothing is muted. Once I > un-install the video driver I get my sound back. Not sure where to > start troubleshooting this one. Anyone have any ideas? > > IRQ's. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 1 14:56:46 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:56:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <4A4BB188.9040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4BB188.9040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> Possible but I dont think it would be my IRQ's as I have never messed with those settings in my bios. I may just roll the os back to 8.04 or 8.10 and be done with it. why must I constantly be drawn in by the shinny new distro release! Todd > IRQ's. > From hc at lookcee.com Wed Jul 1 15:02:36 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:02:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4BB188.9040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A4BC0DC.2040907@lookcee.com> redpill wrote: > Possible but I dont think it would be my IRQ's as I have never messed with those settings in my bios. > I may just roll the os back to 8.04 or 8.10 and be done with it. why must I constantly be drawn in by the shinny new distro release! > Todd > >> IRQ's. >> >> LOL, why climb a mountain? Why play Tennis or a vid game... jes life, keep living it herb From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 15:12:30 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:12:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4BB188.9040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A4BC32E.1080608@gmail.com> ...I've often found that a fresh install often works wonders... My trusty ol' Dell Optiplex GX 110 media server choked badly on the distro update from 8.10 to 9.04, but a fresh install cleared all that up right away. Incidentally, that's the one with the legacy (PCI, can you believe?) nVidia GeForce TNT2 64MB video card... Cheers; ed ======== redpill wrote: > Possible but I dont think it would be my IRQ's as I have never messed with those settings in my bios. > I may just roll the os back to 8.04 or 8.10 and be done with it. why must I constantly be drawn in by the shinny new distro release! > Todd > >> IRQ's. >> >> > > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 1 15:27:38 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:27:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4BB188.9040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A4BC6BA.5030006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> redpill wrote: > Possible but I dont think it would be my IRQ's as I have never messed with those settings in my bios. > I may just roll the os back to 8.04 or 8.10 and be done with it. why must I constantly be drawn in by the shinny new distro release! > Todd > >> IRQ's. been saying that for a while, now. Why do I need to bleed all over the cutting edge of technology? Bragging rights? Server runs openSuSE 10.3, and is stable. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. however, I'd still check the interrupt request lines for the two devices. If the video card is killing the audio card, but yet the audio card comes back when the video card is outta there, then I'd say chances are greater than normal that the video card -thinks- it's grabbing an empty IRQ, and since the video comes up before the audio, the video card would be correct. However, when the audio card comes up and is configured to use the same irq as it had the -last- time it was up and running, then the audio card complains very loudly, very briefly then throws it's little electrons in the air and says "screw it! I ain't fighting -this- battle!". The audio card can't operate without the irq it thinks it's set for. I -would- say "betcha a dollar to a do-nut hole" but have you seen the price of them things, lately? Just a regular do-nut, in an HEB is >$1.oo.. -Geoff From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 1 18:07:57 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jul 1 18:07:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <4A4BC6BA.5030006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4BB188.9040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4BC6BA.5030006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1246489677.6590.29.camel@redpill-laptop> Ill bottom post this just for u Geoff...lol On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 15:27 -0500, Geoff wrote: > redpill wrote: > > Possible but I dont think it would be my IRQ's as I have never messed with those settings in my bios. > > I may just roll the os back to 8.04 or 8.10 and be done with it. why must I constantly be drawn in by the shinny new distro release! > > Todd > > > >> IRQ's. > > been saying that for a while, now. Why do I need to bleed all over the > cutting edge of technology? Bragging rights? > > Server runs openSuSE 10.3, and is stable. > > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > however, I'd still check the interrupt request lines for the two devices. > If the video card is killing the audio card, but yet the audio card > comes back when the video card is outta there, then I'd say chances are > greater than normal that the video card -thinks- it's grabbing an empty > IRQ, and since the video comes up before the audio, the video card would > be correct. However, when the audio card comes up and is configured to > use the same irq as it had the -last- time it was up and running, then > the audio card complains very loudly, very briefly then throws it's > little electrons in the air and says "screw it! I ain't fighting -this- > battle!". The audio card can't operate without the irq it thinks it's > set for. > > I -would- say "betcha a dollar to a do-nut hole" but have you seen the > price of them things, lately? Just a regular do-nut, in an HEB is >$1.oo.. > > > -Geoff > hmmm...that would explain the white noise that I heard when I attempted a restart earlier. It lasted about 3-5 secs. upon boot-up I heard a lot of pops and clicks but dead silence once the Nvidia logo pop-ed up. Guess I'll be filing that bug report after all. Todd From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 1 21:34:32 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 1 21:34:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <1246489677.6590.29.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <1246474302.6590.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4BB188.9040804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1246478206.6590.24.camel@redpill-laptop> <4A4BC6BA.5030006@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1246489677.6590.29.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <4A4C1CB8.4030708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> redpill wrote: > hmmm...that would explain the white noise that I heard when I attempted > a restart earlier. It lasted about 3-5 secs. upon boot-up I heard a > lot of pops and clicks but dead silence once the Nvidia logo pop-ed up. > guess I'll be filing that bug report after all. check the cards. see if there's not a jumper that can be moved. I know that the newer stuff us supposed to work itself out and all... but anything is possible. I could be wrong on all this, Todd... I've been messing with hardware and putting systems together for a number of years, but that kinda came to a stop back around 2002 or so... since i don't/cant afford to bleed all over the cutting edge of technology, things may be different. the newest device I have at my disposal these days, is a 500meg PATA ide harddrive. I haven't moved up to SATA yet. but, I remember, with nightmarish detail, the days of jumpers on sound and some video cards. It -might- be as simple as that. -Geoff From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Jul 1 22:24:31 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Jul 1 22:24:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907012224.31306.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 01 July 2009 11:45:24 am Bruce Dubbs wrote: [...] > That's true, but its one reason why Linux still has a problem with general > acceptance with non-techie computer users. I think Ubuntu and maybe RedHat > have created a work around if you stay with the standard install/update > process, but in general its a problem. I'm surprised that in all this chatter about Linux graphic card support, that no one seems to have mentioned Intel GPU chipset support. Sure.. I love nVidia just as the next geek. It's pretty polished. But it's also non-free(dom)/non-open source. The only give binaries. While Intel is the only vendor who's really been playing on the open source field. I'm surprised that "Dr. LFS" (Bruce) didn't mention Intel as the most open source friendly GPU vendor. Even as far back as 2006: http://news.cnet.com/Intel-aims-for-open-source-graphics-advantage/2100-7344_3-6103941.html Tweeks From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 1 23:29:32 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jul 1 23:29:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <200907012224.31306.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200907011630.n61GUvRQ018856@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <4A4B92A4.3080202@gmail.com> <200907012224.31306.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1246508972.6590.39.camel@redpill-laptop> sure Intel has great open source support, its there 3d support however that they happen to lack in. IF all your doing is desktop graphics with mild compiz setup then an Intel GMA will work just fine. But try to do some real work like say in Blender. Not only that but Nvidia's Cuda expands the use of their cards by allowing the GPU to be used for other things not usually associated with 3d Graphics. Example SETI@Home under Boinc now uses Cuda. Don't get me wrong I love F/OSS just as much as the next Linux Freak but at the end of the day the software has to help me accomplish what I want. And Until the Intel GMA chipset can compete with the performance of Nvidia or for that matter ATI they will always be relegated to servers, office workstations and low-end laptops. Todd On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 22:24 -0500, Tweeks wrote: > On Wednesday 01 July 2009 11:45:24 am Bruce Dubbs wrote: > [...] > > That's true, but its one reason why Linux still has a problem with general > > acceptance with non-techie computer users. I think Ubuntu and maybe RedHat > > have created a work around if you stay with the standard install/update > > process, but in general its a problem. > > I'm surprised that in all this chatter about Linux graphic card support, that > no one seems to have mentioned Intel GPU chipset support. Sure.. I love > nVidia just as the next geek. It's pretty polished. But it's also > non-free(dom)/non-open source. The only give binaries. While Intel is the > only vendor who's really been playing on the open source field. I'm surprised > that "Dr. LFS" (Bruce) didn't mention Intel as the most open source friendly > GPU vendor. Even as far back as 2006: > > http://news.cnet.com/Intel-aims-for-open-source-graphics-advantage/2100-7344_3-6103941.html > > Tweeks > From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 2 12:34:28 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Thu Jul 2 12:34:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Used Equipment Message-ID: <38721.64937.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A few weeks ago, Bill Armstrong posted an offering I couldn't refuse.? I needed more PCs and spare parts for outfitting refugee families with computers.? I have "cherry picked" the kinds of equipment and spares that I think will be needed for a while.? The rest of the equipment is more advanced or not appropriate to their needs (or I don't know how to "work" them).? It's fairly well separated and available on a first come, first served basis.? Please contact me off the list for details and availability.? I have included part of Bill's original posting (with my updates)?to give you an idea of what's there.? Please help us get our garage back.? Thanks. Art ? "I have 5 Compaq?1600r servers [there are 3 1600Rs] with the raid cards and memory and some [3] Compaq 1850R's?with Hard drives and memory. I have Video cards, network cards, cables of all sorts, SCSI cards ISA and PCI, a couple of old monitors [gone to refugees], 2 Dell Servers 4300 and I think the other is a 4600 [it's a 4400]?and both are on wheels and I?have spare parts for them. I have two Dell 2400's running Ubuntu 8.04 but I am waiting to see if another person wants those servers. If not, then they are yours. ["Another person" must have wanted them.]? I should have some wireless cards and switches." From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Thu Jul 2 17:07:05 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Thu Jul 2 17:07:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of their radio stations before I moved. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jul 2 18:18:44 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jul 2 18:18:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A4D4054.4050205@lookcee.com> Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of > their radio stations before I moved. > LOL man this has to be good story. moving from cool rockies into the gates of hell with the two hottest months coming and no job forced you here???? Has to be LOVE may all the deities pitch in to help ya po bones dude. Full rebuild on that tranny you can bet. I old fart a retired starving artist, so Kan't hep. Good luck Cluck hh From scs at worldlinkisp.com Thu Jul 2 21:05:47 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Thu Jul 2 21:05:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: Take your car to the dealer for diagnosic and repair. these independent fly by night repair shops places will rip you off/. >------- Original Message ------- >From : Kenneth Cluck[mailto:kc3@colorado.usa.com] >Sent : 7/2/2009 6:07:05 PM >To : satlug@satlug.org >Cc : >Subject : RE: [SATLUG] Jobs > >Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of their radio stations before I moved. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 22:05:42 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Thu Jul 2 22:05:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A4D7586.3010407@gmail.com> Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of > their radio stations before I moved. > > What are you qualified to do? What can you do outside of your qualifications? ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 22:06:40 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Thu Jul 2 22:06:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A4D75C0.5010207@gmail.com> Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of > their radio stations before I moved. > > What are you qualified to do? ~Nate From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Thu Jul 2 22:51:13 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Thu Jul 2 22:51:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: <20090703035113.427F0BE407E@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> haha yeah, that has to be like the most inconvenient thing to happen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Cee" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:18:44 -0500 Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of > their radio stations before I moved. > LOL man this has to be good story. moving from cool rockies into the gates of hell with the two hottest months coming and no job forced you here???? Has to be LOVE may all the deities pitch in to help ya po bones dude. Full rebuild on that tranny you can bet. I old fart a retired starving artist, so Kan't hep. Good luck Cluck hh -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Thu Jul 2 22:53:34 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Thu Jul 2 22:53:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: <20090703035334.2B409478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Well, sadly the dealer I got it from is nowhere near here :S ----- Original Message ----- From: "scs@worldlinkisp.com" To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Jobs Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:05:47 -0400 Take your car to the dealer for diagnosic and repair. these independent fly by night repair shops places will rip you off/. > ------- Original Message ------- > From : Kenneth Cluck[mailto:kc3@colorado.usa.com] > Sent : 7/2/2009 6:07:05 PM > To : satlug@satlug.org > Cc : Subject : RE: [SATLUG] Jobs > >Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of their radio stations before I moved. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Thu Jul 2 22:57:18 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Thu Jul 2 22:57:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: <20090703035718.E9E7BBE407E@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball broadcast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "N. Turnage" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:05:42 -0500 Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of > their radio stations before I moved. > > What are you qualified to do? What can you do outside of your qualifications? ~Nate -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Thu Jul 2 23:00:35 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Thu Jul 2 23:00:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <20090703035334.2B409478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090703035334.2B409478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A4D8263.9010800@suddenlink.net> Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Well, sadly the dealer I got it from is nowhere near here :S > I believe by "the dealer" he was refering to any dealership which sells that make of car. Like, if it is a Saturn, take it to a Saturn dealer. Not necessarily the dealer you bought it from. HTH, Dennis From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Thu Jul 2 23:03:45 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Thu Jul 2 23:03:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: <20090703040345.BE8B6326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Oh okay, haha I misunderstood, thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Myhand" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:00:35 -0500 Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Well, sadly the dealer I got it from is nowhere near here :S > I believe by "the dealer" he was refering to any dealership which sells that make of car. Like, if it is a Saturn, take it to a Saturn dealer. Not necessarily the dealer you bought it from. HTH, Dennis -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From frank05_82 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 2 23:30:10 2009 From: frank05_82 at yahoo.com (F. Corona) Date: Thu Jul 2 23:30:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: <780013.44629.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com> send me your resume, the Service desk i work for is hiring. --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Kenneth Cluck wrote: From: Kenneth Cluck Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:57 PM Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball broadcast. ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: "N. Turnage" ? To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" ? Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs ? Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:05:42 -0500 ? Kenneth Cluck wrote: ? > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the ? shop ? > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly ? not), ? > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a ? > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three ? of ? > their radio stations before I moved. ? > ? > ? What are you qualified to do? What can you do outside of your ? qualifications? ? ~Nate ? -- _______________________________________________ ? SATLUG mailing list ? SATLUG@satlug.org ? http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe ? Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From ftm at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 2 23:49:49 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Thu Jul 2 23:50:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <20090703035718.E9E7BBE407E@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090703035718.E9E7BBE407E@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: call centers: West Telemarketing, Sears call center on Cable Ranch Road. Many openings. Most all Food service companies are hiring. Target, HEB and Wal-mart are hiring in widely varying positions. Many retail stores in the malls are hiring. KTSA radio might have some openings. As for auto dealers, most of them are really high priced. and not all independent garages are fly-by-night - I know of several quite honest , reliable and even reasonable in price as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Cluck" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball broadcast. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 01:18:40 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Jul 3 01:18:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20090703035718.E9E7BBE407E@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907022318t481de60aya4dd9acb2820b70e@mail.gmail.com> Yep, retail or fast food places are about it for jobshere, maybe hotels for housekeepping, health care workers like nurses aids type jobs where you work for an agency who has employees who do home health care. Unfortunately most jobs here will will low paying and for people w/o training or skills. That's just how our job market is. I think the suggestion to get your car diagnosed at the dealer was a good one. If they repair it, yes it will be more expensive, but I'm finding they will negotiate price more now days than before according to family members who have car problems from time to time. Dealers offer a longer more extensive warranty too. Keep in mind, when a tranny is repaired, or rebuilt as they call it, ONLY the bad parts are rebuilt, not the entire tranny. Many times the new parts will create problems for the remaining old existing parts that will make it go out again fairly soon. When that happens you have yet another HUGE repair bill since that particular part wasn't repaired/replaced. At most shops if not all except for the dealer, they will only cover the actual parts they replaced if the tranny goes out again. Tranny repair is very labor intensive and very costly. I think my sister or my Mom said that repair shops egenrally charge $110.00/hr now and that's not for the actual time they have worked on your charge. They look it up in a book and charge what the book says to charge even itf it took 10 minutes, they will charge you 1 hour. Sister had her tranny replaced by the Chrysler dealer in NB and she never ever had another issue with it...she had a brand new one installed though, not a rebuilt one. I hope you have good airconditioning in that car too. You'll need it to live here. c On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Sugar wrote: > call centers: West Telemarketing, Sears call center on Cable Ranch Road. > Many openings. > > Most all Food service companies are hiring. > > Target, HEB and Wal-mart are hiring in widely varying positions. > > Many retail stores in the malls are hiring. > > KTSA radio might have some openings. > > As for auto dealers, most of them are really high priced. and not all > independent garages are fly-by-night - I know of several quite honest , > reliable and even reasonable in price as well. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Cluck" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > > > Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm > not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I > have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software > such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll > have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales > experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have > supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it > was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of > the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball > broadcast. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 3 06:56:01 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 3 06:56:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907022318t481de60aya4dd9acb2820b70e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090703035718.E9E7BBE407E@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <7e4994a70907022318t481de60aya4dd9acb2820b70e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4DF1D1.2090104@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I think the suggestion to get your car diagnosed at the dealer was a good > one. If they repair it, yes it will be more expensive, but I'm finding they > will negotiate price more now days than before according to family members > who have car problems from time to time. Dealers offer a longer more > extensive warranty too. > Sometimes, it's true that you get what you pay for. It always pays to shop around, though. Were it me, and I had the time, I'd go find an exact replacement transmission, take it somewhere (it's already out of the vehicle, saving labor) and have someone reliable rebuild it, completely. I might only been be repaired. There -is- a difference, and if a transmission shop only 'repairs' a transmission, they don't call it 'rebuilt'. > Keep in mind, when a tranny is repaired, or rebuilt as they call it, ONLY the bad parts are rebuilt, not the entire tranny. Many times the new parts will create problems for the remaining old existing parts that will make it go out again fairly soon. When that happens you have yet another HUGE repair bill since that particular part wasn't repaired/replaced. At most shops if not all except for the dealer, they will only cover the actual parts they replaced if the tranny goes out again. Tranny repair is very labor intensive and very costly. There are some decent and honest transmission shops in San Antonio. If what you are describing, Cheryl, has happened to you or your family in the past, then I would say that where you want wasn't a 'trustworthy' transmission shop. It's been a while since I was there in San Antonio and 'making the rounds' to tell you now who's doing better work. I'm out of the loop (as it were). I know I've been raped by AAMCO before. It might not be fair to judge a chain of stores by the experiences at just -one- store, but I've been to a few AAMCO shops and it's never been a 'warm and fuzzy' experience. > I think my sister or my Mom said that repair shops egenrally charge $110.00/hr now and that's not for the actual > time they have worked on your charge. They look it up in a book and charge what the book says to charge even itf it took 10 minutes, they will charge you 1 hour. > Doesn't matter if it's a transmission shop, a computer repair shop or tv/stereo repair shop, they all have an hourly rate charge for repairs, and if you take something to them, threre's a 1-hour minimum charge. I will say that $110/hr is a bit -steep- where in Houston I've been fiding that auto repair shops are only charging betwen $75 and $85/hr. Of course, the employees don't get that much... > I hope you have good airconditioning in that car too. You'll need it to > live here. c That's a fact! From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Jul 3 07:33:34 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Jul 3 07:33:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200907031233.n63CXYUX003543@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > As for auto dealers, most of them are really high priced. and not all > independent garages are fly-by-night - I know of several quite honest , > reliable and even reasonable in price as well. I like to strongly second this statement. I have been taking my vehicles for many years to Rick at San Antonio custom exhaust on Cibolo/W commerce. The place doesn't look like much, but don't be fooled. I have _never_ been disappointed, and I can highly recoomend this place. On the other hand, I have had great disappointments with both Honda and GM dealerships in doing warranty work, and overcharging. -b. From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Jul 3 08:22:20 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Jul 3 08:22:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <20090703035334.2B409478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090703035334.2B409478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A4E060C.2020908@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Well, sadly the dealer I got it from is nowhere near here :S I can highly recommend "The Dealer Alternative" (yes thats the name of the shop) They've worked on my wifes car and mine, and they're honest. Not necessarily cheap, but they'll do you right. http://www.dealeralternative.us/ - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKTgYMAAoJEMnf+vRw63Obe2kL/ibRcYfsNAoe4IAGDuF/a1Re QlmeuGm16F9LmDx1tOyZYWbeaud8SAxQwNLT+uRoQ0GQ/Ds7+eb7urTpXjS+8K8c cXIX1hXDXOR1DxSqvwFH9usoWBHY/4uSk1OOIs0mEmGjBmDEjvtQAcpF735sRXBo xfQmlb0sZw6WQ8MzJTdAShUfcXSn/uMsHgnuA1Q9GJThjZgkuDf1wZ4rE+Q1OPOb GML4N4FLDpwhe6jrHegF+mJYypS2PerenCL9AnBpvZVN9ZS0aU+RthlXboLk6mJh WgAeE39p8YVB5RCl+oYUNh4ifGZNAMQT/2GnGW6x6dRZxcJn5YxByTvpkv1wHE1J T0KKTBTpichtb7KzvXmyy2ncWV3GQUramdgiHM7WL96zRmsC6VeNxS/Y8HSHVW9o LlqZN8xwv/NnCbQelwhtFmcGF8WvrpwJVJ5UO92iX+D/jka1FQUo6oaGDcbK8840 KQ+feL7TuFb+93vWNDFZDub2gLsfvbk4INUnHqSGJQ== =AS6s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 3 08:50:38 2009 From: mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Hayes) Date: Fri Jul 3 08:50:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: <133059.99912.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Kenneth, ?? I have been taking my pickup to a shop here in town his prices are reasonable and he will stand behind his work. Contact me off list and will give you phone number. ? D. --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Kenneth Cluck wrote: From: Kenneth Cluck Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 5:07 PM Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of their radio stations before I moved. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jmashl at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 09:12:38 2009 From: jmashl at gmail.com (john mashl) Date: Fri Jul 3 09:12:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Jobs Message-ID: click n klack will be talking about compiling kernels tomorrow,,,,,,,, On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 8:50 AM, wrote: > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?satlug@satlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?satlug-request@satlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?satlug-owner@satlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SATLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Jobs (Kenneth Cluck) > ? 2. Re: Jobs (F. Corona) > ? 3. Re: Jobs (Sugar) > ? 4. Re: Jobs (Cheryl Holmes) > ? 5. Re: Jobs (Geoff) > ? 6. Re: Jobs (Borries Demeler) > ? 7. Re: Jobs (David Kowis) > ? 8. Re: Jobs (Dennis Hayes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:03:45 -0500 > From: "Kenneth Cluck" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > ? ? ? ? > Message-ID: <20090703040345.BE8B6326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ?Oh okay, haha I misunderstood, thanks > > ?----- Original Message ----- > ?From: "Dennis Myhand" > ?To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > ?Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > ?Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:00:35 -0500 > > > ?Kenneth Cluck wrote: > ?> Well, sadly the dealer I got it from is nowhere near here :S > ?> > > ?I believe by "the dealer" he was refering to any dealership which > ?sells that make of car. Like, if it is a Saturn, take it to a > ?Saturn dealer. Not necessarily the dealer you bought it from. > ?HTH, Dennis > ?-- _______________________________________________ > ?SATLUG mailing list > ?SATLUG@satlug.org > ?http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > ?Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:30:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: "F. Corona" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > ? ? ? ? > Message-ID: <780013.44629.qm@web53703.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > send me your resume, the Service desk i work for is hiring. > > --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Kenneth Cluck wrote: > > From: Kenneth Cluck > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:57 PM > > Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm > not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I > have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software > such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll > have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales > experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have > supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it > was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of > the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball > broadcast. > > > ? ----- Original Message ----- > ? From: "N. Turnage" > ? To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > ? Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > ? Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:05:42 -0500 > > > ? Kenneth Cluck wrote: > ? > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the > ? shop > ? > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly > ? not), > ? > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a > ? > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three > ? of > ? > their radio stations before I moved. > ? > > ? > > ? What are you qualified to do? What can you do outside of your > ? qualifications? > > > ? ~Nate > ? -- _______________________________________________ > ? 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Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:49:49 -0500 > From: "Sugar" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > ? ? ? ? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > ? ? ? ?reply-type=original > > call centers: ?West Telemarketing, Sears call center on Cable Ranch Road. > Many openings. > > Most all Food service companies are hiring. > > Target, HEB and Wal-mart are hiring in widely varying positions. > > Many retail stores in the malls are hiring. > > KTSA radio might have some openings. > > As for auto dealers, most of them are really high priced. ?and not all > independent garages are fly-by-night - I know of several quite honest , > reliable and even reasonable in price as well. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth Cluck" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > > > Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm > not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I > have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software > such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll > have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales > experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have > supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it > was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of > the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball > broadcast. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:18:40 -0500 > From: Cheryl Holmes > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > ? ? ? ? > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ?<7e4994a70907022318t481de60aya4dd9acb2820b70e@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yep, retail or fast food places are about it for jobshere, maybe hotels for > housekeepping, health care workers like nurses aids type jobs where you work > for an agency who has employees who do home health care. ?Unfortunately most > jobs here will will low paying and for people w/o training or skills. > That's just how our job market is. > > I think the suggestion to get your car diagnosed at the dealer was a good > one. ?If they repair it, yes it will be more expensive, but I'm finding they > will negotiate price more now days than before according to family members > who have car problems from time to time. ?Dealers offer a longer more > extensive warranty too. > > Keep in mind, when a tranny is repaired, or rebuilt as they call it, ONLY > the bad parts are rebuilt, not the entire tranny. ?Many times the new parts > will create problems for the remaining old existing parts that will make it > go out again fairly soon. ?When that happens you have yet another HUGE > repair bill since that particular part wasn't repaired/replaced. ?At most > shops if not all except for the dealer, they will only cover the actual > parts they replaced if the tranny goes out again. ?Tranny repair is very > labor intensive and very costly. ?I think my sister or my Mom said that > repair shops egenrally charge $110.00/hr now and that's not for the actual > time they have worked on your charge. ?They look it up in a book and charge > what the book says to charge even itf it took 10 minutes, they will charge > you 1 hour. > > Sister had her tranny replaced by the Chrysler dealer in NB and she never > ever had another issue with it...she had a brand new one installed though, > not a rebuilt one. > > I hope you have good airconditioning in that car too. ?You'll need it to > live here. c > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Sugar wrote: > >> call centers: ?West Telemarketing, Sears call center on Cable Ranch Road. >> Many openings. >> >> Most all Food service companies are hiring. >> >> Target, HEB and Wal-mart are hiring in widely varying positions. >> >> Many retail stores in the malls are hiring. >> >> KTSA radio might have some openings. >> >> As for auto dealers, most of them are really high priced. ?and not all >> independent garages are fly-by-night - I know of several quite honest , >> reliable and even reasonable in price as well. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Cluck" >> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs >> >> >> Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm >> not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I >> have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software >> such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll >> have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales >> experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have >> supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it >> was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of >> the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball >> broadcast. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of ?blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:56:01 -0500 > From: Geoff > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > ? ? ? ? > Message-ID: <4A4DF1D1.2090104@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> I think the suggestion to get your car diagnosed at the dealer was a good >> one. ?If they repair it, yes it will be more expensive, but I'm finding they >> will negotiate price more now days than before according to family members >> who have car problems from time to time. ?Dealers offer a longer more >> extensive warranty too. >> > > Sometimes, it's true that you get what you pay for. ?It always pays to > shop around, though. ?Were it me, and I had the time, I'd go find an > exact replacement transmission, take it somewhere (it's already out of > the vehicle, saving labor) and have someone reliable rebuild it, > completely. ?I might only been be repaired. ?There -is- a difference, > and if a transmission shop only 'repairs' a transmission, they don't > call it 'rebuilt'. > >> Keep in mind, when a tranny is repaired, or rebuilt as they call it, ONLY the bad parts are rebuilt, not the entire tranny. ?Many times the new parts will create problems for the remaining old existing parts that will make it go out again fairly soon. ?When that happens you have yet another HUGE repair bill since that particular part wasn't repaired/replaced. ?At most shops if not all except for the dealer, they will only cover the actual parts they replaced if the tranny goes out again. ?Tranny repair is very labor intensive and very costly. > > There are some decent and honest transmission shops in San Antonio. ?If > what you are describing, Cheryl, has happened to you or your family in > the past, then I would say that where you want wasn't a 'trustworthy' > transmission shop. ?It's been a while since I was there in San Antonio > and 'making the rounds' to tell you now who's doing better work. ?I'm > out of the loop (as it were). ?I know I've been raped by AAMCO before. > It might not be fair to judge a chain of stores by the experiences at > just -one- store, but I've been to a few AAMCO shops and it's never been > a 'warm and fuzzy' experience. > >> I think my sister or my Mom said that repair shops egenrally charge $110.00/hr now and that's not for the actual >> time they have worked on your charge. ?They look it up in a book and charge what the book says to charge even itf it took 10 minutes, they will charge you 1 hour. >> > > Doesn't matter if it's a transmission shop, a computer repair shop or > tv/stereo repair shop, they all have an hourly rate charge for repairs, > and if you take something to them, threre's a 1-hour minimum charge. ?I > will say that $110/hr is a bit -steep- where in Houston I've been fiding > that auto repair shops are only charging betwen $75 and $85/hr. ?Of > course, the employees don't get that much... > > >> I hope you have good airconditioning in that car too. ?You'll need it to >> live here. c > > That's a fact! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 07:33:34 -0500 (CDT) > From: Borries Demeler > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: <200907031233.n63CXYUX003543@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> >> As for auto dealers, most of them are really high priced. ?and not all >> independent garages are fly-by-night - I know of several quite honest , >> reliable and even reasonable in price as well. > > I like to strongly second this statement. I have been taking my vehicles > for many years to Rick at San Antonio custom exhaust on Cibolo/W commerce. > The place doesn't look like much, but don't be fooled. I have _never_ > been disappointed, and I can highly recoomend this place. On the other > hand, I have had great disappointments with both Honda and GM dealerships > in doing warranty work, and overcharging. > > -b. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:22:20 -0500 > From: David Kowis > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > ? ? ? ? > Message-ID: <4A4E060C.2020908@shlrm.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Kenneth Cluck wrote: >> ?Well, sadly the dealer I got it from is nowhere near here :S > > > I can highly recommend "The Dealer Alternative" (yes thats the name of > the shop) They've worked on my wifes car and mine, and they're honest. > Not necessarily cheap, but they'll do you right. > > http://www.dealeralternative.us/ > > > - -- > David Kowis > > www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! > www.sourcemage.org ?- SourceMage GNU/Linux > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKTgYMAAoJEMnf+vRw63Obe2kL/ibRcYfsNAoe4IAGDuF/a1Re > QlmeuGm16F9LmDx1tOyZYWbeaud8SAxQwNLT+uRoQ0GQ/Ds7+eb7urTpXjS+8K8c > cXIX1hXDXOR1DxSqvwFH9usoWBHY/4uSk1OOIs0mEmGjBmDEjvtQAcpF735sRXBo > xfQmlb0sZw6WQ8MzJTdAShUfcXSn/uMsHgnuA1Q9GJThjZgkuDf1wZ4rE+Q1OPOb > GML4N4FLDpwhe6jrHegF+mJYypS2PerenCL9AnBpvZVN9ZS0aU+RthlXboLk6mJh > WgAeE39p8YVB5RCl+oYUNh4ifGZNAMQT/2GnGW6x6dRZxcJn5YxByTvpkv1wHE1J > T0KKTBTpichtb7KzvXmyy2ncWV3GQUramdgiHM7WL96zRmsC6VeNxS/Y8HSHVW9o > LlqZN8xwv/NnCbQelwhtFmcGF8WvrpwJVJ5UO92iX+D/jka1FQUo6oaGDcbK8840 > KQ+feL7TuFb+93vWNDFZDub2gLsfvbk4INUnHqSGJQ== > =AS6s > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:50:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dennis Hayes > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > ? ? ? ? > Message-ID: <133059.99912.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Kenneth, > ?? I have been taking my pickup to a shop here in town his prices are reasonable and he will stand behind his work. Contact me off list and will give you phone number. > > D. > > --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Kenneth Cluck wrote: > > > From: Kenneth Cluck > Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 5:07 PM > > > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three of > their radio stations before I moved. > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Powered by Rackspace (http://rackspace.com) > > End of SATLUG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 6 > ************************************* > From dvprogs at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 09:28:11 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Fri Jul 3 09:28:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG OT jobs, cars, NB Message-ID: <7f9598380907030728x554476a7rc8b28e3b4b2aa8d6@mail.gmail.com> > > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:18:40 -0500 > From: Cheryl Holmes > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > ... > Keep in mind, when a tranny is repaired, or rebuilt as they call it, ONLY > the bad parts are rebuilt, not the entire tranny. Many times the new parts > will create problems for the remaining old existing parts that will make it > go out again fairly soon. When that happens you have yet another HUGE > repair bill since that particular part wasn't repaired/replaced. At most > shops if not all except for the dealer, they will only cover the actual > parts they replaced if the tranny goes out again. Tranny repair is very > labor intensive and very costly. I think my sister or my Mom said that > repair shops egenrally charge $110.00/hr now and that's not for the actual > time they have worked on your charge. They look it up in a book and charge > what the book says to charge even itf it took 10 minutes, they will charge > you 1 hour. > > Sister had her tranny replaced by the Chrysler dealer in NB and she never > ever had another issue with it...she had a brand new one installed though, > not a rebuilt one. > > I hope you have good airconditioning in that car too. You'll need it to > live here. c > > We have the GM extended warranty and we've been taken very good care of, just had a condenser replaced and we didn't have to pay a penny. They've also replaced the CD player and have gone out of their way to even take care of things that aren't covered, believe it or not. A coworker of mine just moved her family to New Brunswick and they're going to start over. I'm not that adventurous ;-) Air conditioning ? I'm still shivering from this morning, as the wife likes to have the windows open. Brr. have fun From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 3 09:30:29 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 3 09:30:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Jobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4E1605.4050505@w5omr.shacknet.nu> john mashl wrote: > click n klack will be talking about compiling kernels tomorrow,,,,,,,, discussions, such as this one, is what makes the SATLUG community unique, in that we care about our fellow members. Still, if we had the option, I would capitulate that this discussion would be more germane in "SATLUG-ETC". -Geoff From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Fri Jul 3 10:41:22 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Fri Jul 3 10:41:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs Message-ID: <20090703154122.D7C061CE833@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Here you go :) I appreciate the help ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Corona" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:30:10 -0700 (PDT) send me your resume, the Service desk i work for is hiring. --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Kenneth Cluck wrote: From: Kenneth Cluck Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 10:57 PM Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball broadcast. ? ----- Original Message ----- ? From: "N. Turnage" ? To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" ? Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs ? Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:05:42 -0500 ? Kenneth Cluck wrote: ? > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the ? shop ? > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly ? not), ? > anywhere know of ahy good places to work are hiring? I worked at a ? > Surveillance Systems company and a communications company for three ? of ? > their radio stations before I moved. ? > ? > ? What are you qualified to do? What can you do outside of your ? qualifications? ? ~Nate ? -- _______________________________________________ ? SATLUG mailing list ? SATLUG@satlug.org ? http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe ? Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Fri Jul 3 10:45:20 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Fri Jul 3 10:45:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Jobs Message-ID: <20090703154520.C793F1BF2A3@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks everyone for the help :) I actualy already found a place to get it fixed, or at least they're looking at it and were recomended by a family member. Now I have another question that's Linux related. I installed GWare on my Slackware install so I could have Gnome on it, however, ever since I installed it my only user that can load X Windows is my root user, any ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Re: Jobs Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:30:29 -0500 john mashl wrote: > click n klack will be talking about compiling kernels tomorrow,,,,,,,, discussions, such as this one, is what makes the SATLUG community unique, in that we care about our fellow members. Still, if we had the option, I would capitulate that this discussion would be more germane in "SATLUG-ETC". -Geoff -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Jul 3 10:53:04 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Jul 3 10:53:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Jobs In-Reply-To: <20090703154520.C793F1BF2A3@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200907031553.n63Fr49Q014669@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Thanks everyone for the help :) I actualy already found a place to get > it fixed, or at least they're looking at it and were recomended by a > family member. Now I have another question that's Linux related. I > installed GWare on my Slackware install so I could have Gnome on it, > however, ever since I installed it my only user that can load X Windows > is my root user, any ideas? What is the error message when you boot into init 3 and as a regular user type 'startx' at the command line? -b. From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jul 3 11:28:18 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jul 3 11:27:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090702220705.BF0BD11581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A4E31A2.80604@shub-internet.org> Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Hey guys, I just got to town yesterday. My car is, sadly, in the shop > right now and I may need to have my transmission rebuilt (hopefuly not), For anyone on the list who is interested, if you know your make and model of car, and where you are located, the iPhone program "RepairPal" can give you estimates of how much it should cost to get the repair done. This service is also available at repairpal.com. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From moore52 at gvec.net Fri Jul 3 11:56:42 2009 From: moore52 at gvec.net (Michael Moore) Date: Fri Jul 3 11:59:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A few questions about MAIL Message-ID: <1246640202.11922.23.camel@merry.shire> Hello, I have a few questions about MAIL on my installation of Debian 5.0 "Lenny" using Gnome, this is also my first attempt to use the Sat-Lug Mailing List. I transferrred all my mail from MS-Outlook-Express to the Evolution mail reader/composer, yesterday, and then this morning received three issues of Sat-Lug Digest right into my folder Sat-Lug. In issue 6, there is one message with an icon showing no public key is avaiable, it states that the message itself is not encrypted and the message is readable, so do I need the public key, and if so, how do I find it? The format of Issue 7 seems different than the others, is this a problem with my set-up/configuration, or is it supposed to look that way? Thanks, Mike Moore From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 3 13:47:34 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (art.hall@sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri Jul 3 13:47:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Equipment Update Message-ID: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is the updated list of computer equipment still available for the asking and hauling away: ? Dell 4300 server Dell 4400 server 3 Compaq Proliant PL1800R servers Cisco Systems Catalyst 5000 Series Switch with dual power supply, Supervisor Engine II, and 24 port 10/100 Base TX Switching?Module Cisco Systems WS-C2924-XL-EN 24 port switch Procom Technology CD Duplicator Tower CopyKit Film to Video Transfer System 2 Motherboards Power supply units Cooling fans and heat sinks PCI cards SCSI and IDE hard drives Joystick Various and sundry cables, cords, and connecters ? What is left on Monday, July 6, will go to Goodwill.? Until then, please contact me off list if any items appeal to you.? According to Bill Armstrong,?all of the "toys" are in working condition. ? Art From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 13:49:15 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Jul 3 13:49:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Equipment Update In-Reply-To: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0907031149k5840dd27i1957d0a9bb658925@mail.gmail.com> Art, I'll take the Cisco stuff!! On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:47 PM, wrote: > > > Here is the updated list of computer equipment still available for the asking and hauling away: > > Dell 4300 server > Dell 4400 server > 3 Compaq Proliant PL1800R servers > Cisco Systems Catalyst 5000 Series Switch with dual power supply, Supervisor Engine II, and 24 port 10/100 Base TX Switching?Module > Cisco Systems WS-C2924-XL-EN 24 port switch > Procom Technology CD Duplicator Tower > CopyKit Film to Video Transfer System > 2 Motherboards > Power supply units > Cooling fans and heat sinks > PCI cards > SCSI and IDE hard drives > Joystick > Various and sundry cables, cords, and connecters > > What is left on Monday, July 6, will go to Goodwill.? Until then, please contact me off list if any items appeal to you.? According to Bill Armstrong,?all of the "toys" are in working condition. > > Art > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 3 13:51:25 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Fri Jul 3 13:51:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Authentication System Failure Message-ID: <4A4E532D.4010201@satx.rr.com> [This didn't seem to go through the first time, so I'm resending ...] I'm running SuSE 11.1, and I've had a session of KDE 4 running for a while (probably 2-3 weeks). I had left a couple of apps running last night, and I went to get back into it today and got a weird error. When the screen saver log-in window popped up, I entered my user password and it came back with the following message: Cannot unlock the session because the authentication system failed to work; you must kill krunner_lock (pid 20,574) manually. Trying to log-in as another user at this point does no good. Switching to the CLI log-in (any one of them), I entered my log-in name (or root) and then I get 10 lines of this error: /etc/initscript: /etc/initscript: Input/Output error followed by INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes Waiting for 5 minutes does no good -- I get the same errors again. Does anyone know how to deal with something like this, short of forcing a hard reboot? Al Lesmerises From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 13:53:52 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Jul 3 13:53:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Authentication System Failure In-Reply-To: <4A4E532D.4010201@satx.rr.com> References: <4A4E532D.4010201@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0907031153y2466ee45hae8726e7986e6bad@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Switching to the CLI log-in (any one of them), I entered my log-in name (or > root) and then I get 10 lines of this error: > > ? /etc/initscript: /etc/initscript: Input/Output error > > followed by > > ? INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes > > Waiting for 5 minutes does no good -- I get the same errors again. > > Does anyone know how to deal with something like this, short of forcing a > hard reboot? Al, that looks like filesystem corruption. I would reboot using a rescue CD and use the fsck tools for your filesystem. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From ftm at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 3 14:12:36 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Fri Jul 3 14:13:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Equipment Update In-Reply-To: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269F09D0FF23475EADAAB684FF0E090B@control> I would like all the servers ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "San Antonio Linux Users Group" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Free Equipment Update Here is the updated list of computer equipment still available for the asking and hauling away: Dell 4300 server Dell 4400 server 3 Compaq Proliant PL1800R servers Cisco Systems Catalyst 5000 Series Switch with dual power supply, Supervisor Engine II, and 24 port 10/100 Base TX Switching Module Cisco Systems WS-C2924-XL-EN 24 port switch Procom Technology CD Duplicator Tower CopyKit Film to Video Transfer System 2 Motherboards Power supply units Cooling fans and heat sinks PCI cards SCSI and IDE hard drives Joystick Various and sundry cables, cords, and connecters What is left on Monday, July 6, will go to Goodwill. Until then, please contact me off list if any items appeal to you. According to Bill Armstrong, all of the "toys" are in working condition. Art -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 3 14:18:23 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Fri Jul 3 14:18:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Equipment Update In-Reply-To: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A4E597F.6030301@satx.rr.com> I could use a couple of the IDE drives. Al Lesmerises art.hall@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Here is the updated list of computer equipment still available for the asking and hauling away: > > Dell 4300 server > Dell 4400 server > 3 Compaq Proliant PL1800R servers > Cisco Systems Catalyst 5000 Series Switch with dual power supply, Supervisor Engine II, and 24 port 10/100 Base TX Switching Module > Cisco Systems WS-C2924-XL-EN 24 port switch > Procom Technology CD Duplicator Tower > CopyKit Film to Video Transfer System > 2 Motherboards > Power supply units > Cooling fans and heat sinks > PCI cards > SCSI and IDE hard drives > Joystick > Various and sundry cables, cords, and connecters > > What is left on Monday, July 6, will go to Goodwill. Until then, please contact me off list if any items appeal to you. According to Bill Armstrong, all of the "toys" are in working condition. > > Art > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 14:37:08 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Jul 3 14:37:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20090703035718.E9E7BBE407E@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A4E5DE4.8050304@gmail.com> Sugar wrote: > call centers: West Telemarketing, Sears call center on Cable Ranch > Road. Many openings. > > Most all Food service companies are hiring. > > Target, HEB and Wal-mart are hiring in widely varying positions. > > Many retail stores in the malls are hiring. > > KTSA radio might have some openings. > > As for auto dealers, most of them are really high priced. and not all > independent garages are fly-by-night - I know of several quite honest > , reliable and even reasonable in price as well. Agreed. My mechanic is Martin's Auto Clinic on Culebra near IH 410. Phone 210.523.1191 Good work, reasonable prices. My ol' Explorer loves them. Ed > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Cluck" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Jobs > > > Well, I'm really good at pretty much anything technical and anything I'm > not experienced in I can learn quickly. No certifications other than I > have taken some training in A+ technologies and also in office software > such as Quickbooks and other Office software, also in ten months I'll > have a Bachelors in Business Administration. I also have some mild sales > experience and would be more than willing to develop on that. I have > supervised employees, at my last job at the security systems company (it > was a call center btw) I did supervise the employees in the absense of > the manager. I also did the tech producing for the SkySox baseball > broadcast. > > > > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Fri Jul 3 15:19:43 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Fri Jul 3 15:19:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] multipath issues on SLES 10SP2. Message-ID: <950217.67307.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We're deploying a number of systems using SUSE 10SP2 using EMC storage with multipath & LVM, and we have a bit of a problem, we have two groups of systems, ones showing /dev/dm-XX physical volume name (groupA) and the ones showing /dev/mapper/mpathXX name (groupB) when using the pvs command, the /etc/lvm/lvm.conf and /etc/multipath.conf files are exactly the same on both groups. here is the /etc/multipath.conf file .. http://pastebin.com/m7bf38584 and here is the /etc/lvm/lvm.conf one ... http://pastebin.com/m518e5e83 here is the output of pvs on one of the systems of groupA with kernel Linux systemA 2.6.16.60-0.39.3-smp #1 SMP Mon May 11 11:46:34 UTC 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux http://pastebin.com/m2ebb6f2f and here is the output of one of the servers in groupB with slightly older kernel; Linux systemB 2.6.16.60-0.21-smp #1 SMP Tue May 6 12:41:02 UTC 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux http://pastebin.com/m29c88b5d I've added a EMC share to the system in group A with a lower serial number than the existing ones and restarted the server, the server picks up the new lun but renames all physical volumes starting with dm-0 with the newer lun and from there up, however, it seems to be able to manage the name change and correctly mounts all filesystems, but I still doubt it is working correctly. multipath was running just fine on all servers while doing the tests. thank you, enrique sanchez. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From gregswift at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 18:24:02 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Fri Jul 3 18:24:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] multipath issues on SLES 10SP2. In-Reply-To: <950217.67307.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <950217.67307.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70907031624k6b810ddck1a296340ce83355f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 15:19, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > > We're deploying a number of systems using SUSE 10SP2 using EMC storage with > multipath & LVM, and we have a bit of a problem, we have two groups of > systems, ones showing /dev/dm-XX physical volume name (groupA) and the ones > showing /dev/mapper/mpathXX name (groupB) when using the pvs command, the > /etc/lvm/lvm.conf and /etc/multipath.conf files are exactly the same on both > groups. > I'm about to walk out the door, but my initial thought is that whomever ran the pvcreate just used the different path. Not sure what the fix to that would be *shrug* -greg From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 3 19:46:18 2009 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Fri Jul 3 19:46:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Equipment Update In-Reply-To: <4A4E597F.6030301@satx.rr.com> References: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A4E597F.6030301@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: I could use one of the servers, but I am on vacation until the 13th. Regards, Benjamin Temple TES ----------------------------------------- This e-mail contains privileged information intended only for the recipient of this e-mail. > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:18:23 -0500 > From: alesmerises@satx.rr.com > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Free Equipment Update > > I could use a couple of the IDE drives. > > Al Lesmerises > > > art.hall@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Here is the updated list of computer equipment still available for the asking and hauling away: > > > > Dell 4300 server > > Dell 4400 server > > 3 Compaq Proliant PL1800R servers > > Cisco Systems Catalyst 5000 Series Switch with dual power supply, Supervisor Engine II, and 24 port 10/100 Base TX Switching Module > > Cisco Systems WS-C2924-XL-EN 24 port switch > > Procom Technology CD Duplicator Tower > > CopyKit Film to Video Transfer System > > 2 Motherboards > > Power supply units > > Cooling fans and heat sinks > > PCI cards > > SCSI and IDE hard drives > > Joystick > > Various and sundry cables, cords, and connecters > > > > What is left on Monday, July 6, will go to Goodwill. Until then, please contact me off list if any items appeal to you. According to Bill Armstrong, all of the "toys" are in working condition. > > > > Art > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009 From satlug at net153.net Sat Jul 4 08:05:15 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sat Jul 4 08:05:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Equipment Update In-Reply-To: References: <972432.19365.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A4E597F.6030301@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A4F538B.1030407@net153.net> Benjamin Temple wrote: > I could use one of the servers, but I am on vacation until the 13th. > > Regards, > Benjamin Temple > TES I also have an older dell pe2300 that someone can have. Looks like new: Dell Power Edge 2300 Tower Single Pentium 3 450MHz (Capable of up to dual 700mhz p3) 256MB SDRAM CD ROM drive DDS tape drive single 9GB scsi disk additional ethernet (total of 3) Dimensions 17.5x10.25x23 (HxWxD) Sam From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 4 12:32:10 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (art.hall@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat Jul 4 12:32:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords Message-ID: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting passwords.? I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP machines.? I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS.? Can someone please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP passwords?? Thanks. Art Hall From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 4 12:51:52 2009 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis) Date: Sat Jul 4 12:52:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A4F96B8.30603@earthlink.net> google "ophcrack" - Mike art.hall@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting passwords. I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP machines. I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS. Can someone please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP passwords? Thanks. > Art Hall > From leivajose at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 13:02:40 2009 From: leivajose at gmail.com (leivajose@gmail.com) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:02:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: <4A4F96B8.30603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4a4f9946.0b015a0a.10ff.ffffe766@mx.google.com> Opcrack will not reset passwords. Try downloading windows ERD from microsoft, it is a 30 trial image and burn it to a disk. Another iso you can search for is Hirens Boot CD, this would be found in a torrent search site. Hiren's cd has a tool in the password secting for password clearing call acronis password removal. -Jose MK Davis wrote: google "ophcrack" - Mike art.hall@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting passwords. I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP machines. I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS. Can someone please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP passwords? Thanks. > Art Hall > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From corpustexn at yahoo.com Sat Jul 4 13:13:47 2009 From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:13:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords Message-ID: <957036.69854.qm@web50001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 7/4/09, art.hall@sbcglobal.net wrote: > From: art.hall@sbcglobal.net > Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords > To: "San Antonio Linux Users Group" > Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:32 PM > Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he > remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting > passwords.? I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee > families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP > machines.? I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu > 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would > really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS.? Can someone > please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at > least resetting Windows XP passwords?? Thanks. > Art Hall > --What about ebcd. Also if the password is only on the user account, you might boot into safe mode and reset as administrator. > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From crynosys at grandecom.net Sat Jul 4 13:34:50 2009 From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:34:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A4FA0CA.9090006@grandecom.net> I've found NtPassWD very useful in the past. The livecd will allow you to reset the passwords offline. I has it's own livecd as well as being included in several linux based "rescue" livecd. While just resetting the win passwords is faster, make sure the drives are not encrypted. If encryption is used you will need to "crack" all the passwords. YMMV art.hall@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting passwords. I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP machines. I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS. Can someone please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP passwords? Thanks. > Art Hall > From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 13:36:12 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Jul 4 13:36:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: <4A4F96B8.30603@earthlink.net> References: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A4F96B8.30603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200907041336.12855.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Saturday 04 July 2009 12:51:52 MK Davis wrote: > google "ophcrack" - > > Mike > To clarify, ophcrack is a CD bootable slax linux distro which will show you the existing user and administrator passwords on a Win system. It works pretty well for XP and they have a version for Vista, though the Vista version often will not retrieve any passwords. The XP version also fails to find passwords from time to time, but usually works fairly well. As long as you can retrieve a password for administrator or a user with admin rights then, of course, you can change passwords and do your user administration without resorting to a reinstall of Windows.. http://ophcrack.sourceforge.net/ After looking at the page, the Vista version might now be integrated into the regular distro. From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Jul 4 23:36:33 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sat Jul 4 23:36:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A502DD1.6040107@satx.rr.com> art.hall@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting passwords. I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP machines. I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS. Can someone please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP passwords? Thanks. > Art Hall > Actually, it wasn't a SATLUG thread that I thought I remembered something about password recovery, but it seems to be Linux-related anyway. A co-worker had to recover some files on a crashed hard-drive, and he had bought a copy of a software package called "SPOTMAU Power Suite". It has a number of Windows-related tools including password recovery for Win2K, XP, & Vista. It appears to be running under a live version of Linux (based on what I can see during boot-up), although I don't know which one -- it won't let me switch to the CLI. I'm not sure how much it cost, but they have a web site (www.spotmau.com) where you can find it, and it does appear to work quite well. Al Lesmerises From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Jul 5 03:37:09 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Jul 5 03:37:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux to the rescue In-Reply-To: <4A4807D4.2020105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A4807D4.2020105@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A506635.8010000@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Geoff wrote: > The dual PIII has been sitting idle for a while. hmmm... > > tossed a cd-rom drive in it, grabbed my knoppix live-cd, hooked up an IDE drive to be checked, linux came up, I mounted that drive looked to see what was on it, then shut the system down, removed that one, installed another drive and and after the third drive (of the 10 or so I've got laying around here), discovered some files I had -really- wanted to transfer. > > I knew I was going to have to have this machine on the local network. Grabbed some ethernet hose, plugged it into the dsl router and we've got a heart-beat. but after that, what to do? > > hmmmm... > > (!) To the CLI, Robin! > > sudo mount //ip.address.to.mount-to/sharename /mount-point > password: > Success! > > after a couple of syntax errors, I was able to start copying files from > the queried drive to the home system, at 100mbps. UPDATE Ok... I should mention that the 'home system' is running Ex-pee. Knoppix 5.1 apparently knows Samba commands. So, first things first... the Knoppix live-cd puts you on the command line interface as root, so there's no need for sudo. I went ahead and issued a passwd for root, then proceeded to mount the new (old) drive to the system. :~> mkdir /media/hda1 :~> mount /dev/hda1(*) /media/hda1 (* = Note: some systems (openSuSE 10.3) use "dev/sda" instead of /dev/hda or hdb or wherever the drive is you're mounting.) this mounts the drive you're checking to the live-cd filesystem. Recalling past samba experiences, in the linux system, I -did- create a user, that imitated the user name I was using on the M$ box. THIS NAME MUST BE IDENTICAL! : ~> useradd -m {username] then :~> passwd {username} making sure to duplicate the password on the M$ box. If there is no passwd on the M$ box, this will -not- work. I created another mountpoint (in the frame of the username) mkdir /{username} I think at this point, I su'ed to {username] "THEN", I did a; :~> mount //ip.address.of.m$box/sharename /{username} I don't remember if I got an error here or not, because of the lack of use of sudo. then just started cp'ing files. :~/> cp -r -v -u * /media/hda1 /{username} -r for recursive -v for verbose and -u for 'update' (only xfer those source files that are newer than the destination files.) Maybe that helps someone. I did find -one- drive that had an LVM partition on it. The systems are still transferring files, so cant check other drives, to see if I have the -other- LVM drive here with me or not. I have an lvm question coming up in the first message in the morning. g'night. From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Sun Jul 5 07:53:08 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Sun Jul 5 07:53:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords Message-ID: <20090705125308.BD9BFBE407E@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Really the only thing you should need to do is go into the hard drive with a Linux boot disk that has NTFS compatibility. Delete the c:\windows\system32\config\sam and also c:\windows\repair\sam is an occasional possibility. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Lesmerises" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:36:33 -0500 art.hall@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG > thread about resetting passwords. I just had a dozen Dell PCs > donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected > Windows XP machines. I know I could wipe them clean and load > Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and > would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS. Can someone > please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least > resetting Windows XP passwords? Thanks. > Art Hall > Actually, it wasn't a SATLUG thread that I thought I remembered something about password recovery, but it seems to be Linux-related anyway. A co-worker had to recover some files on a crashed hard-drive, and he had bought a copy of a software package called "SPOTMAU Power Suite". It has a number of Windows-related tools including password recovery for Win2K, XP, & Vista. It appears to be running under a live version of Linux (based on what I can see during boot-up), although I don't know which one -- it won't let me switch to the CLI. I'm not sure how much it cost, but they have a web site (www.spotmau.com) where you can find it, and it does appear to work quite well. Al Lesmerises -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jul 5 09:23:18 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Sun Jul 5 09:23:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1246803798.19024.0.camel@redpill-laptop> try konboot. hey it can even get around linux 2.6 passwords http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ Todd From dvprogs at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 09:29:15 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Sun Jul 5 09:29:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG OT resetting MS Windows XP passwd[s] /GNU/Linux advocacy to organizations Message-ID: <7f9598380907050729j1750dc19x8cbb787416369f6e@mail.gmail.com> > > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: art.hall@sbcglobal.net > > ... I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're > all password-protected Windows XP machines... many of the prospective users > ... really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS. Can someone please steer me > to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP > passwords? Thanks. > Art Hall > You want to use "chntpw" I keep an old Knoppix 5 CD-ROM around for this. Please email me off-list if you want more information on this. Please let me know if you want to discuss how to try to show people that they're better off not using this kind of setup. Even if someone really wants to use this kind of setup because of Office, I have heard that one can use Office with Wine/CrossOver. I have set up Winetricks in Ubuntu, and theortically you can run these proprietary programs in that, but it's not ideal. If someone needs Office capability, I wonder if one is not better off using GNU/Linux exclusively and composing documents on GMail and then exporting to MS Word format... This probably opens up a can of worms, but for people who are looking for work and have to send out resumes in that format, I don't see too many alternatives. I can imagine that some people would just send plain-text resumes, but I don't know if that's a great idea. To me, I would rather just use GNU/Linux and OpenOffice. Daniel From hharadon at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 10:02:58 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sun Jul 5 10:03:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, wrote: > Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting passwords.? I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP machines.? I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS.? Can someone please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP passwords?? Thanks. > Art Hall Here is a linux boot CD that is specifically aimed at resetting the Win password by fiddling with the NTFS disk's registry. http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ Good luck, HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 09:53:46 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Mon Jul 6 09:53:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: References: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869de8470907060753w4b8f2cafqb91f941aeecc26ac@mail.gmail.com> There's a distro called "NT PassReset" (although I'm sure it has a better name) that has a basic reg editor and password reset utility that has always worked great for me. FIRESTORM_v1 On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, wrote: >> Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting passwords.? I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP machines.? I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS.? Can someone please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP passwords?? Thanks. >> Art Hall > > Here is a linux boot CD that is specifically aimed at resetting > the Win password by fiddling with the NTFS disk's registry. > > http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ > > Good luck, ?HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX ?USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jul 6 10:16:19 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Mon Jul 6 10:16:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Resetting Passwords In-Reply-To: <869de8470907060753w4b8f2cafqb91f941aeecc26ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <759104.96229.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <869de8470907060753w4b8f2cafqb91f941aeecc26ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1246893379.7023.4.camel@redpill-laptop> 1 big warning about using these m$ winblows password resets...do not use them aon drives that are encrypted you will loos all of your data as the password on m$ systems are used for the encryption algorithm. Use something like KonBoot which will give you access to the system without changing the passwords. Once inside you can then get or change the password without loosing all of your data on your encrypted drive. Incidentally this iso will also work on the 2.6 Linux kernel. http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ Todd On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 09:53 -0500, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > There's a distro called "NT PassReset" (although I'm sure it has a > better name) that has a basic reg editor and password reset utility > that has always worked great for me. > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, wrote: > >> Yesterday, Al Lesmerises told me he remembered seeing a SATLUG thread about resetting passwords. I just had a dozen Dell PCs donated for refugee families, but they're all password-protected Windows XP machines. I know I could wipe them clean and load Ubuntu 9.04, but many of the prospective users learned on and would really prefer using the dreaded Windows OS. Can someone please steer me to a reliable method for removing or at least resetting Windows XP passwords? Thanks. > >> Art Hall > > > > Here is a linux boot CD that is specifically aimed at resetting > > the Win password by fiddling with the NTFS disk's registry. > > > > http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ > > > > Good luck, HH > > -- > > Howard Haradon > > San Antonio, TX USA > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jul 7 16:32:36 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:32:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] multipath issues on SLES 10SP2. In-Reply-To: <950217.67307.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <950217.67307.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450907071432x1565723bo4b616852370608b2@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 15:19, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > We're deploying a number of systems using SUSE 10SP2 using EMC storage with > multipath & LVM, and we have a bit of a problem, we have two groups of > systems, ones showing /dev/dm-XX physical volume name (groupA) and the ones > showing /dev/mapper/mpathXX name (groupB) when using the pvs command, the > /etc/lvm/lvm.conf and /etc/multipath.conf files are exactly the same on both > groups. > Bit late to this party but: Is this a FiberChannel setup? iSCSI? SAS? What vendor (or driver) are the HBAs/HCAs Are systems sharing LUNs or are they uniquely assigned? Is this a DMX or Clariion (Clarions do multipathing differently than DMX)? here is the /etc/multipath.conf file .. http://pastebin.com/m7bf38584 > and here is the /etc/lvm/lvm.conf one ... http://pastebin.com/m518e5e83 > > here is the output of pvs on one of the systems of groupA with kernel > Linux systemA 2.6.16.60-0.39.3-smp #1 SMP Mon May 11 11:46:34 UTC 2009 > x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > http://pastebin.com/m2ebb6f2f > > > and here is the output of one of the servers in groupB with slightly older > kernel; > Linux systemB 2.6.16.60-0.21-smp #1 SMP Tue May 6 12:41:02 UTC 2008 x86_64 > x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > http://pastebin.com/m29c88b5d > Is there an alias assigned to the command `pvs`? Also with the older kernel/LVM-Tools version, the outputs might be different, but the ultimate device is the same. I don't have a multipath system availible here with me, but if you do an `ls -al /dev/dm-* /dev/mapper/*-*` and look at the major/minor numbers, you can correlate which DM is which mapper entry. what are the outputs of `vgs` and `lvs` just so I can get a better view of the environment. Depending on the setup, you can `cat /proc/scsi/scsi` to check what disks and/or LUNs are seen. If you are using the qla-2x drivers, then the files under the directory /proc/scsi/qla* can help, especially verifying a MPath setup. Make sure the target:LUN combos correlate to what you think you have provisioned. > I've added a EMC share to the system in group A with a lower serial number > than the existing ones and restarted the server, the server picks up the new > lun but renames all physical volumes starting with dm-0 with the newer lun > and from there up, however, it seems to be able to manage the name change > and correctly mounts all filesystems, but I still doubt it is working > correctly. > I don't have a good grasp of what the actual problem is. LVM and MPIO use the disk sig to ID the disk, not it's HBA:Targ:LUN, thus jockying with the LUNs is not a huge deal, although certainly not recommended. > multipath was running just fine on all servers while doing the tests. > How do the current results differ from the expected? Again, not sure what I am troubleshooting here, so please advise... Thanks, jp From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jul 7 16:39:39 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:39:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] multipath issues on SLES 10SP2. In-Reply-To: <4e3f91d70907031624k6b810ddck1a296340ce83355f@mail.gmail.com> References: <950217.67307.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4e3f91d70907031624k6b810ddck1a296340ce83355f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450907071439h2bf5e1afga94de439020d50bd@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 18:24, Greg Swift wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 15:19, Enrique Sanchez Vela > wrote: > > > We're deploying a number of systems using SUSE 10SP2 using EMC storage > with > > multipath & LVM, and we have a bit of a problem, we have two groups of > > systems, ones showing /dev/dm-XX physical volume name (groupA) and the > ones > > showing /dev/mapper/mpathXX name (groupB) when using the pvs command, > the > > /etc/lvm/lvm.conf and /etc/multipath.conf files are exactly the same on > both > > groups. > > I'm about to walk out the door, but my initial thought is that whomever ran > the pvcreate just used the different path. > The /dev/dm-x paths and the /dev/mapper/vgn-lvn paths are equivalent to the /dev/vgn/lvn paths, but the use and/or output differs depending on the tool being used. > Not sure what the fix to that would be *shrug* > Easy to change VG Names or LV names, ramifications vary though. `vgrename` and `lvrename` respectively. Impact is mainly on the /etc/fstab entries, and if your root is LVM and involved, the GRUB config as well. HTH, jp From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 16:06:59 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:07:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] multipath issues on SLES 10SP2. Message-ID: <792701.56136.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, John Pappas wrote: > > How do the current results differ from the expected? > Again, not sure what I > am troubleshooting here, so please advise... > > Thanks, > jp > -- thanks for taking a look, it is not too late yet... given that the setup was the same, I expected to see the friendly name (/dev/mapper/mpathXX) as the output of pvs command on both servers. In this case the machine with the older kernel was showing the proper output while the one with the newer one was not, I updated the one with the oldest kernel (and behaving correctly) to the point where the output of the "rpm -qa" command matches on both boxes and still shows the proper name. thanks again, enrique. From hc at lookcee.com Wed Jul 8 17:02:31 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:02:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT 'Proadjuster office sys' exposure? Message-ID: <4A551777.1070009@lookcee.com> My nephew is a Chiropractor and would like to bail out of $3500mo payments. Does anyone here have any experience with this patient record sys? Thanks, contact me off list to not bore others herb From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Jul 8 17:13:31 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:13:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT 'Proadjuster office sys' exposure? In-Reply-To: <4A551777.1070009@lookcee.com> References: <4A551777.1070009@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4A551A0B.2090400@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Herb Cee wrote: > My nephew is a Chiropractor and would like to bail out of $3500mo > payments. Does anyone here have any experience with this patient record > sys? > > Thanks, contact me off list to not bore others > herb > it's not boring if we're discussing open source software to replace patient record systems. I find it interesting. - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKVRoLAAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob5W0L/0BM1nx9JX3/FG56Q7VIeiqx fL5u+S+RgzBhDsv2iiO/IsvfrZGW/2PSwesXL+oDZSvXVmMQghYBYUy+dFqVQE36 W4+DBg99gm6g6ki7tH44KtzsofBrWqI7TvHxroWgrkdd2V1RdEqIlJTJTYcMSHkW TOC8bpBYwzD7Rua+yAR9e+ad7pNbKIl4k+XTP9ckVVyimJG9kpccGpSSJfDE4x2F p0e3JQdOhsq3cIrJX7uEUFTDkU1UZ3qhovqKEl7oC3J3kW8iIHYhA1Cs2cfQnMpF Y2xaiphGfqai3tbw9PYWWiYFirf0jc2WnGX7EuU5X6D+lrE0qcFmKzA7xI0Dji6E qnINAWkIePlU09g3WOS34R1OR8AyW9re4Zwuu95q3K1hkp8Ejnh/n2fKHVoHQhkV 5zvtO61B8VmTdNIsNOLmGSM+nrTKXqqCUdf9qlokLhF7vr8iNj/ENesrEaW5CqLl P3qzKyYFrUqxL1GoJ5rO65qzP4R2YprftGZnEKKdVQ== =2+X+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sirgasolots at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 17:15:12 2009 From: sirgasolots at gmail.com (Gino Mancillas) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:15:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Changing Creation Time of Multiple Photos Message-ID: I have two sets of photos taken on a field trip. Sadly, however, while my camera had the correct date and time the teacher's camera reset to January 1, 2005 when he replaced the batteries. Remarkably, though, I found two pictures from the different cameras that were taken at seemingly the same time. The creation time of one picture's EXIF data reads *April 26, 2009 08:52:56* but the other picture's EXIF data reads *January 1, 2005 14:16:26*. According to Wolfram|Alphathe time difference is *4 years 3 months 24 days 18 hours 36 minutes 30 seconds*. Is there a way to change EXIF data of multiple files and their modification dates by *4 years 3 months 24 days 18 hours 36 minutes 30 seconds*? I know the "touch" command can change the modification dates, but not the EXIF data. I'm also not sure how to use the "touch" command to adjust multiple files. Thanks in advance, -Gino From hc at lookcee.com Wed Jul 8 17:35:31 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Jul 8 17:35:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT 'Proadjuster office sys' exposure? In-Reply-To: <4A551A0B.2090400@shlrm.org> References: <4A551777.1070009@lookcee.com> <4A551A0B.2090400@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4A551F33.9010607@lookcee.com> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Herb Cee wrote: > >> My nephew is a Chiropractor and would like to bail out of $3500mo >> payments. Does anyone here have any experience with this patient record >> sys? >> >> Thanks, contact me off list to not bore others >> herb >> >> > > it's not boring if we're discussing open source software to replace > patient record systems. I find it interesting. > > - -- > David Kowis > Cool David I agree and find it interesting also. I have been reading past few days and this diagnosis system is based on NASA tech involving the use of a pressure controlled thump against the individual verterbre to determine if that joint is moving properly or is frozen into a locked position by muscle constriction this data is superimposed against the patient history with all the spine joints. This is basically a sonar type system combined with a thump of pressure controlled by a pair of flexed crystals so very similar to oil sysmic readings. The resulting feedback from the thump of 6# against the joint is then read as layers underlying the anomaly of the spine and translated into useful data .... Russ finds this data very useful and wishes to continue using the basic instrument but not using all the billing software that does not work properly and is not being used. However the software co refuses to adjust lease payment so he wants to replace the software but use the NASA sensor unit. I am only couple days into this so don't know much past here. I see no problem in setting up a Medicaid/Medicare billing sys but use of the device used to measure with is the ? I am not even sure what ? to ask and to whom???? Guess we can say this is start from scratch analytical project. Would you think trying to find out specs of the devise itself be the start point? thanks herb From cdv7 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 8 18:13:09 2009 From: cdv7 at sbcglobal.net (cdv7@sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:13:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> > Please scroll to the bottom for the most recent message. Charles Hogan wrote: > Reversed polarity and AC voltage present could potentially cause > problems. The first being far easier to correct than the second. As > for DSL filters messing with the phones, well, those came about 2 to 3 > years after I quit working tech support for an ISP. > > Phone line polarity testers are all about the same, I didn't even > think of Lowes when I mentioned them. All you need to do to correct > the polarity issue is to switch the position of the red/green pair, > put the red where the green was and vice-versa, (assuming that red and > green are connected to the center 2 conductors in the jack). The > yellow/black pair is for when you have 2 separate lines connected to > one jack. > > If I could, I would run new copper to the jack that has the AC voltage > present, especially since that is the jack for the modem, and try > keeping it away from any little nasties like flourescent lighting. > The line could be picking up AC through induction by being too close > to a transformer or some other silly hard to pinpoint thing. > > It's been years since I've done anything inside of a demarc, but if I > recall correctly, they have several jacks, each used for a separate > phone line/number. > > As for your e-mail, you should be able to look into the account > settings in Thunderbird, and get the directories where your mail is > being stored locally. Back-up the entire directory, and pop it into > place in the new install, everything should work ok if you continue > using thunderbird. > > I'm not big on browser based e-mail, I've been using > thunderbird/mozilla since before I started using linux, which was when > XP came out. > > Charlie > > cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> Charles Hogan wrote: >>> 1. When I worked as tech support for a dial-up ISP back in the late >>> 90's, 2 of the biggest problems we had with connections were >>> incorrect line polarity and poor line quality. For the polarity >>> issues, I carried a line tester and would correct the issue at the >>> jack if it were present, (some modems are/were sensitive to phone >>> line polarity, this was my first, and often times only, corrective >>> action). Altex has a couple of line testers*, both under $10.00. >>> >>> As for line quality, well, that can run the gambit. I remember 1 >>> customer that couldn't connect no matter what. I plugged a phone >>> into the jack they were using for the computer, and could barely >>> hear the dial tone over the static on the line. Customer's >>> reasoning, "We use that jack for the computer because we can't hear >>> who we are talking to if we use it for the phone", sometimes you >>> just want to slap the stupidity out of people. Plugged them into a >>> different jack in the house, and surprise surprise, no problems >>> connecting or staying connected. No surprise that they didn't like >>> my pricing for running new wire to the jack, so fortunately, they >>> were left to their own devices on figuring that one out. We had >>> another customer with line quality issues, no static, but a bad >>> line, where someone digging had cut through the phone lines, and the >>> splice putting them back together was done poorly. That was a telco >>> issue somewhere up the line on their side of the demarc. >>> >>> If you are unable to connect, and suspect line quality issues, try >>> plugging straight into the demarc if you can, and see if you can get >>> a connection from there. If so, you will probably want to run a new >>> line from the demarc to wherever you are plugging the computer to >>> the phone jack. I doubt that there will be any issues with that if >>> you are able to currently get DSL through the line. >>> >>> 2. Can't help with that one, as I am a Fedora user. I am sure that >>> someone else here can help with that. >>> >>> 3. It would be helpful to know what e-mail client you are using. >>> >>> *line testers at Altex: >>> http://www.altex.com/Triplett-Line-Bug-4-Phone-LAN-Line-Tester-9615-P145000.aspx >>> >>> http://www.altex.com/Telephone-Line-Tester-75-4650-P143540.aspx >>> >>> Hope this was of some help. I'm off to my new weekly habit of >>> drinks and jazz at The Landing. >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>> Greetings, >>>> Before I attempt to switch from DSL to Dial Up I need to know >>>> several things: >>>> >>>> 1. When I first tried to connect to the Internet in 2005 (I had >>>> Windows then) I tried several Dial Up ISP's but could never make a >>>> connection. I was told the wiring is too old. (My house was built >>>> pre- 1950's but was remodeled during the 1980's , some of the >>>> wiring was changed then.) How should I address this possible >>>> problem? I hope its resolution will not be prohibitively expensive. >>>> >>>> 2. It has been recommended that I first update to the newest >>>> version of Ubuntu but I am unclear about the recent crash of Ms. >>>> Holmes. I am concerned I may have a similar experience, as I would >>>> not know how to avoid it. >>>> >>>> 3. I need to know how to transfer all my e-mail -not just my Inbox >>>> but my Drafts and Sent boxes too. (I ran into this problem when I >>>> transfered from Suse to Ubuntu.) I transfered the contents of my >>>> desktop by putting them on a flash drive. However, some of the >>>> e-mail (such as the Drafts Box) was transferred one message at a >>>> time. Please tell me if there is a more efficient way to do this. >>>> >>>> Also,if there are other important things I need to know before I >>>> make the switch, please let me know. >>>> Thank you very much for your assistance. >>>> ~ cdv >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Greetings Mr. Hogan, >> Thank you for the useful information. I assume the line tester at >> Lowe's will do just as well as the one from Altex? (Please bear with >> me, as I have no experience in this area.) I took this opportunity to >> test all my jacks - which I know of. >> >> The results of the test: >> >> Interior Jack #1 >> (The oldest jack, it came with the house. Only one phone is plugged >> into it.) - Red Light. Line reversed. >> >> Interior Jack#2 >> ( Installed in 2005. My computer and one other phone are plugged into >> this jack.) - Amber Light. AC voltage present. >> >> Exterior Jack >> (In the gray Telephone Network Interface box.) - No light. Dead Line. >> >> I found the following instructions on the web. Let me know if this >> applies to my situation. It seems to be applicable to the interior >> jacks but I am uncertain about the exterior one. >> >> ?Since you have a polarity tester, simply reverse the two wires at >> each box showing reverse polarity. It sounds like you just split off >> at some point and attached the B & Y to a R & G, right?? >> >> ?Yes.? >> >> ?Simply remove the box >> cover or anywhere along the line, and interchange the two wires >> connected. Black will go where Yellow was and Yellow will go where >> Black was. Same with the Red & Green.? >> >> >> Also, I was told by a person from Lowe's that sometimes a DSL filter >> can disrupt the phone line. Both interior jacks have a 2Wire DSL >> Filter but of course, these were not in place in when I first >> attempted Dial up. >> >> To answer the question from your last e-mail: >> The e-mail client I am currently using is Thunderbird. >> Also, what is your opinion of web based e-mail or G-Mail? From the >> website: >> http://howto-ubuntu.com/2008/03/03/how-to-dial-up-internet-on-ubuntu-with-gnome-ppp/ >> >> This site recommends Opera as the best choice for a dial up browser. >> Opinion? >> Again, my thanks. >> ~cdv >> >> Note: >> This is a resend. I responded to your message on May 31^st and then >> again on June 2nd but I received failure notices for both. Based on >> the notices of 6-2-'09 I am hoping the problem has now been cleared >> up. Please respond if you are able to receive my message. >> >> New message - 7/8/'09 Greetings Mr. Hogan (or anyone who can help), I am continuing to try to remove the AC voltage on the line used by my computer. Persons knowledgeable about such things examined the situation and suggested I call AT&T to send a technician out to relocate the Network Interface Device, as it had been placed parallel and adjacent to the 220 power source to my house. This situation being corrected, I tested the jack again but the amber light still appeared. Then, it was suggested that I perform the following test: Turn off the circuit breaker that supplies the jack being used by the computer. Unplug the computer from that jack and plug in the line tester. The amber light remained on. This eliminated one possible power source but puzzled the person I was consulting, as where the voltage was coming from remains a mystery. Please suggest a solution. If this situation continues, I am concerned that any modem I purchase will either not work or would possibly be damaged. Thank you, ~cdv P.S. If the line really is too close to a transformer (as there appears to be one on the telephone pole at the end of my driveway) what can I do? From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:19:27 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:19:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > Please scroll to the bottom for the most recent message. Please delete the non-relevant portions of the quoted portion of your message. -- Bruce From cdv7 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 8 18:35:14 2009 From: cdv7 at sbcglobal.net (cdv7@sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:35:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> > Please scroll to the bottom for the most recent message. > > Please delete the non-relevant portions of the quoted portion of your > message. > > -- Bruce Greetings Mr. Dubbs, Would you like me to remove the portion you quoted and resend my message? With the recent controversy among the members about where to post (top or bottom) I thought it would be helpful and proper etiquette to include this phrase. ~ cdv From hc at lookcee.com Wed Jul 8 18:35:35 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:35:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A552D47.9040501@lookcee.com> > New message - 7/8/'09 > > Greetings Mr. Hogan (or anyone who can help), > I am continuing to try to remove the AC voltage on the line used by my > computer. > Persons knowledgeable about such things examined the situation and > suggested I call AT&T to send a technician out to relocate the Network > Interface Device, as it had been placed parallel and adjacent to the > 220 power source to my house. > This situation being corrected, I tested the jack again but the amber > light still appeared. > Then, it was suggested that I perform the following test: > Turn off the circuit breaker that supplies the jack being used by the > computer. Unplug the computer from that jack and plug in the line > tester. The amber light remained on. This eliminated one possible > power source but puzzled the person I was consulting, as where the > voltage was coming from remains a mystery. Please suggest a solution. > If this situation continues, I am concerned that any modem I purchase > will either not work or would possibly be damaged. > Thank you, > ~cdv > > P.S. > If the line really is too close to a transformer (as there appears to > be one on the telephone pole at the end of my driveway) what can I do? I am not sure about this but does not the ringer circuit of a line convey AC pulse to the ringer circuit?? Would that maybe the cause of this not a cross current if the ringer circuit is screwed? Just a guess cause this seems really unique rather than a normal failure herb From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 18:44:29 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jul 8 18:44:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Would you like me to remove the portion you quoted and resend my > message? No. But someone else might. > With the recent controversy among the members about where to > post (top or bottom) I thought it would be helpful and proper etiquette > to include this phrase. That part was OK. However, you quoted in full four messages. Which part you needed is not obvious to the reader. When communicating with a list, the whole idea is to make things as easy on the reader as possible. With proper trimming, the reference to see the bottom would have been unnecessary. -- Bruce From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Wed Jul 8 19:38:04 2009 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis) Date: Wed Jul 8 19:38:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> Dumb question: what do you mean by "AC" on computer line? Is it the AC power outlet? The telephone line? Please and thank you Mike Bruce Dubbs wrote: > cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> Would you like me to remove the portion you quoted and resend my >> message? > > No. But someone else might. > >> With the recent controversy among the members about where to post >> (top or bottom) I thought it would be helpful and proper etiquette to >> include this phrase. > > That part was OK. However, you quoted in full four messages. Which > part you needed is not obvious to the reader. When communicating with > a list, the whole idea is to make things as easy on the reader as > possible. > > With proper trimming, the reference to see the bottom would have been > unnecessary. > > -- Bruce From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 20:16:40 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Wed Jul 8 20:16:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Changing Creation Time of Multiple Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200907082016.40327.jdchoate@gmail.com> > > Is there a way to change EXIF data of multiple files and their modification > dates by *4 years 3 months 24 days 18 hours 36 minutes 30 seconds*? I > know the "touch" command can change the modification dates, but not the EXIF > data. I'm also not sure how to use the "touch" command to adjust multiple > files. > > Thanks in advance, > -Gino > Hmmm... that's a tough one. But one quirky solution may be the following, though the exif data will not be accurate. Using Gwenview, you can not only edit exif data, but you can import exif data from other images to those which do not have exif data, or to change the existing data. So... maybe you can use one image as a reference and import its exif data into all of the other images, then just modify the time of day without having to modify the date. If both cameras being used were the same model and and set to the same configuration, this would work very well. Except, of course, exposure time and aperture settings will not show accurately, etc. If the cameras are different and/or were set to different configurations, the modified/imported exif data will show completely b.s. data... I will keep looking for an exif editor which can do batch jobs... I could use that myself. John C. From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 20:27:21 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Wed Jul 8 20:27:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Changing Creation Time of Multiple Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200907082027.22053.jdchoate@gmail.com> In response to my previous reply. Digikam can also edit and import the exif data in addition to Gwenview. They have the same metadata editing menu, so both probably use the kipi-plugin 'metadataedit' for that. From dkowis at shlrm.org Wed Jul 8 22:00:34 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Wed Jul 8 22:00:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT 'Proadjuster office sys' exposure? In-Reply-To: <4A551F33.9010607@lookcee.com> References: <4A551777.1070009@lookcee.com> <4A551A0B.2090400@shlrm.org> <4A551F33.9010607@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4A555D52.3050006@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Herb Cee wrote: > > I am only couple days into this so don't know much past here. > > I see no problem in setting up a Medicaid/Medicare billing sys but use > of the device used to measure with is the ? I am not even sure what ? to > ask and to whom???? > Guess we can say this is start from scratch analytical project. Heh, I have a problem with Medicaid/Medicare, but that's a different topic. This sounds far more advanced than I was initially led to believe. It might be difficult to read the data directly from the sensor. Surely the sensor software is separate from the billing system? - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKVV1SAAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob8c8L/1+VqcxdDfUWmgI83EdLoyH+ mCsM5zTc5NLqCLjTPyVH3P0UpHmQn4UA6G7/tApmc5rC/NmixOSz9BZb2B6QeUsv ZonRzKjQP3PPwcrUPEVDhAc8lR3c8EC94yqWR0fpp2hL6F9TjM07jcTsqIsj5WPH /Sl80jVBSTQGGbCW5PEGjT2NgEy7s6vDKKKbqb6IAqn2/TYbAqI+XUFoO2TetGeY LeXNH6hKzSh+hr018u2zfgUdU7OEJXpyZTDbp6fQej0bcX3U5k9Ti4niNBfZSGGE ojpIrUDO+eAhpuIYW+m7pZ6rWTc9Ug5z1glhQ5u88ZMY8r7z4Fa5SbGocfIAgKzA WBHFAq/oBid4gZLbNoaGNIC8NQJ4YbKwktICAZ6XHT3p7R49WkYzlbXfkunq/aND ZXWJbrg1NZPijJIuU+7rA3zDQt7DYnC5zsmnk4Oljb+R5fWZdQ02QXo1acO1dskg 5K7Oax0uCiwWnEy0rVQTnUvdmohk/0a/pgf5F+TRog== =/lJ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 8 22:18:03 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Jul 8 22:18:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A55616B.7020705@satx.rr.com> cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Greetings Mr. Hogan (or anyone who can help), > I am continuing to try to remove the AC voltage on the line used by my > computer. > Persons knowledgeable about such things examined the situation and > suggested I call AT&T to send a technician out to relocate the Network > Interface Device, as it had been placed parallel and adjacent to the > 220 power source to my house. > This situation being corrected, I tested the jack again but the amber > light still appeared. > Then, it was suggested that I perform the following test: > Turn off the circuit breaker that supplies the jack being used by the > computer. Unplug the computer from that jack and plug in the line > tester. The amber light remained on. This eliminated one possible > power source but puzzled the person I was consulting, as where the > voltage was coming from remains a mystery. Please suggest a solution. > If this situation continues, I am concerned that any modem I purchase > will either not work or would possibly be damaged. > Thank you, > ~cdv > > P.S. > If the line really is too close to a transformer (as there appears to > be one on the telephone pole at the end of my driveway) what can I do? Maybe it would help if you could disconnect the phone line from the AT&T wiring and see if the problem lies in the wiring within your home or it it's feeding in from the street. Just a thought ... Al Lesmerises From satlug at net153.net Wed Jul 8 23:12:23 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Jul 8 23:12:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Changing Creation Time of Multiple Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A556E27.8040603@net153.net> Gino Mancillas wrote: > I have two sets of photos taken on a field trip. Sadly, however, while my > camera had the correct date and time the teacher's camera reset to January > 1, 2005 when he replaced the batteries. > > Remarkably, though, I found two pictures from the different cameras that > were taken at seemingly the same time. The creation time of one picture's > EXIF data reads *April 26, 2009 08:52:56* but the other picture's EXIF data > reads *January 1, 2005 14:16:26*. According to > Wolfram|Alphathe > time difference is > *4 years 3 months 24 days 18 hours 36 minutes 30 seconds*. > > Is there a way to change EXIF data of multiple files and their modification > dates by *4 years 3 months 24 days 18 hours 36 minutes 30 seconds*? I > know the "touch" command can change the modification dates, but not the EXIF > data. I'm also not sure how to use the "touch" command to adjust multiple > files. > > Thanks in advance, > -Gino I don't know if it is up your boat but you can pretty much do anything with perl and the cpan libraries: http://search.cpan.org/search?query=exif&mode=all Sam From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 9 00:46:13 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jul 9 00:46:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A55616B.7020705@satx.rr.com> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55616B.7020705@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: >cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> Greetings Mr. Hogan (or anyone who can help), >> I am continuing to try to remove the AC voltage on the line used by my >> computer. wrote: >Maybe it would help if you could disconnect the phone line from the AT&T >wiring and see if the problem lies in the wiring within your home or it >it's feeding in from the street. Good thought, as that would also disconnect the DSL coming in on the line. The phone line tester might be responding to the high frequency DSL signal and not good old 60 cycle AC hum at the suspect location. Previously this was mentioned: >> Exterior Jack >> (In the gray Telephone Network Interface box.) - No light. Dead Line. This concerns me, as the TNI (or SNI for Subscriber Network Interface) test jack is supposed to be the place to disconnect all inside wiring (IW) and check the pure line from your telephone company by plugging a phone into it. If that one is dead but inside works, something isn't proper. Let's be sure we're talking about the same thing. Here's a picture of one of these puppies. Look at the green jack with the short gray phone line plugged into it. That's the test jack - yours should be similar. Ignore the part about opening things and cutting wires - that's a whole different situation he's fixing. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1012399 If there is more than one jack, you may have a spare one or more for a second line. (Oh joy! We get to play Hunt the Wumpus!) If your house has a security system that uses the phone line, that's another complication and you may need to get the alarm company involved. I've had AT&T techs quietly disconnect the security system during a service call, and then the alarm wouldn't set at the close of business because the phone line wasn't working! Hope you're enjoying your trip through Phone Phreak land. --Don PS: To be fair, I've seen some of the "typical" conditions the AT&T guys work under, and there's a lot of "not fun" in their day, too. -- A computer is a hole in your desk you pour time into. From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 9 12:04:19 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jul 9 12:04:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] July meeting is tonight Message-ID: Just a reminder that the monthly SATLUG meeting is tonight. See www.satlug.org for map, time and approximate place. --Don -- www.satlug.org - The official reference for SATLUG matters. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 13:36:21 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:36:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] July meeting is tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5638A5.8040202@gmail.com> Again, apologies, but I'll be teaching a class during the meeting time. Can someone please take good notes? Cheers; Ed Don Wright wrote: > Just a reminder that the monthly SATLUG meeting is tonight. See > www.satlug.org for map, time and approximate place. --Don > > From cdv7 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 9 13:43:51 2009 From: cdv7 at sbcglobal.net (cdv7@sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu Jul 9 13:43:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> MK Davis wrote: > Dumb question: what do you mean by "AC" on computer line? Is it the > AC power outlet? The telephone line? > > Please and thank you > > Mike > Greetings Mr. Davis, The telephone line is referred to. Both my telephone and computer are plugged into the same jack via the 2 Wire DSL filter. Concerning your question: It is wise to request a clarification; both parties are benefited and it enables the person with an answer to give a more accurate response. ~ cdv From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Jul 9 13:58:37 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Jul 9 14:10:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT 'Proadjuster office sys' exposure? In-Reply-To: <4A551F33.9010607@lookcee.com> References: <4A551777.1070009@lookcee.com> <4A551A0B.2090400@shlrm.org> <4A551F33.9010607@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4A563DDD.1030305@futuretechsolutions.com> Herb Cee wrote: > David Kowis wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> Herb Cee wrote: >> >>> My nephew is a Chiropractor and would like to bail out of $3500mo >>> payments. Does anyone here have any experience with this patient record >>> sys? >>> >>> Thanks, contact me off list to not bore others >>> herb >>> >>> >> >> it's not boring if we're discussing open source software to replace >> patient record systems. I find it interesting. >> >> - -- >> David Kowis >> > > Cool David I agree and find it interesting also. I have been reading > past few days and this diagnosis system is based on NASA tech involving > the use of a pressure controlled thump against the individual verterbre > to determine if that joint is moving properly or is frozen into a locked > position by muscle constriction this data is superimposed against the > patient history with all the spine joints. > > This is basically a sonar type system combined with a thump of pressure > controlled by a pair of flexed crystals so very similar to oil sysmic > readings. > > The resulting feedback from the thump of 6# against the joint is then > read as layers underlying the anomaly of the spine and translated into > useful data .... Russ finds this data very useful and wishes to continue > using the basic instrument but not using all the billing software that > does not work properly and is not being used. However the software co > refuses to adjust lease payment so he wants to replace the software but > use the NASA sensor unit. > > I am only couple days into this so don't know much past here. > > I see no problem in setting up a Medicaid/Medicare billing sys but use > of the device used to measure with is the ? I am not even sure what ? to > ask and to whom???? > Guess we can say this is start from scratch analytical project. > > Would you think trying to find out specs of the devise itself be the > start point? > thanks herb > > Do try to get specs on the device. I have a friend that was one with NASA that may be able to point us in the proper direction if there is enough NASA tech involved in it. From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jul 9 14:26:28 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jul 9 14:26:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT 'Proadjuster office sys' exposure? In-Reply-To: <4A563DDD.1030305@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <4A551777.1070009@lookcee.com> <4A551A0B.2090400@shlrm.org> <4A551F33.9010607@lookcee.com> <4A563DDD.1030305@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4A564464.4070804@lookcee.com> Charles Hogan wrote: > Herb Cee wrote: >> David Kowis wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA512 >>> >>> Herb Cee wrote: >>> >>>> My nephew is a Chiropractor and would like to bail out of $3500mo >>>> payments. Does anyone here have any experience with this patient >>>> record >>>> sys? >>>> >>>> Thanks, contact me off list to not bore others >>>> herb >>>> >>>> >>> >>> it's not boring if we're discussing open source software to replace >>> patient record systems. I find it interesting. >>> >>> - -- >>> David Kowis >>> >> >> Cool David I agree and find it interesting also. I have been reading >> past few days and this diagnosis system is based on NASA tech >> involving the use of a pressure controlled thump against the >> individual verterbre to determine if that joint is moving properly or >> is frozen into a locked position by muscle constriction this data is >> superimposed against the patient history with all the spine joints. >> >> This is basically a sonar type system combined with a thump of >> pressure controlled by a pair of flexed crystals so very similar to >> oil sysmic readings. >> >> The resulting feedback from the thump of 6# against the joint is then >> read as layers underlying the anomaly of the spine and translated >> into useful data .... Russ finds this data very useful and wishes to >> continue using the basic instrument but not using all the billing >> software that does not work properly and is not being used. However >> the software co refuses to adjust lease payment so he wants to >> replace the software but use the NASA sensor unit. >> >> I am only couple days into this so don't know much past here. >> >> I see no problem in setting up a Medicaid/Medicare billing sys but >> use of the device used to measure with is the ? I am not even sure >> what ? to ask and to whom???? >> Guess we can say this is start from scratch analytical project. >> >> Would you think trying to find out specs of the devise itself be the >> start point? >> thanks herb >> >> > > Do try to get specs on the device. I have a friend that was one with > NASA that may be able to point us in the proper direction if there is > enough NASA tech involved in it. > > Cool Charles, I know I am in deep water over my head I have asked some questions waiting for replies, they real slow to respond herb From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 9 15:27:24 2009 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis) Date: Thu Jul 9 15:27:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> Is this your connection: ( a) ___telco wall jack-------|filter|--------Telephone |DSL Modem|--------------------------------computer (no filter) ( b.) or this:____telco wall jack------|dsl modem|----------Computer | filter|--------------telephone? If the "AC" is heard on you telephone(s), did you unplug you house wiring at the telco customer interface jack? Was there AC noise still on your telephones? Did you take a POT (plain old telephone) with a filter and plug into the teleco interface jack? AC noise? AC or hum as I call it, is the results of a partial, short on the wire from the phone company. The proximate location of the phone interface to the house electrical service is seldom a problem. The interface, I believe, is locate near the electrical service to take advantage of the house common electrical ground. No AC (hum) on your house interior wiring when you disconnect the teleco interface jack should eliminate that possibility. The DSL modem may not appear to have a problem,the are suppose to operate at frequencies out of the audio range, and is able to buffer (store) and correct data. DSL system, in my opinion, is slow to begin with - so an additional reduction in speed may not be noticed. If you recently had new interior wiring done for your dsl modem, I've found that cable staple gun to be a source of hum (ac) noise, Other comments on this subject are on the money - this is just my take on you situation. The question of whether polarity is important is iffy - for a POT, it may not be a big deal. For a DSL modem, caller ID (another data modem) and a telephone system with lots of bells and whistles...who knows. If you want to correct your installation - I would suggest that you start at the customer interface. This link may be of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_and_ring Mike cdv7@sbcglobal.net wrote: > MK Davis wrote: >> Dumb question: what do you mean by "AC" on computer line? Is it the >> AC power outlet? The telephone line? >> >> Please and thank you >> >> Mike >> > Greetings Mr. Davis, > The telephone line is referred to. Both my telephone and computer are > plugged into the same jack via the 2 Wire DSL filter. > Concerning your question: > It is wise to request a clarification; both parties are benefited and > it enables the person with an answer to give a more accurate response. > ~ cdv > From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jul 9 16:18:26 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jul 9 16:18:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A565EA2.5020602@lookcee.com> Have you tried eliminating the splitter? this has gotten so wordy I not gonna search Herb From satlug at net153.net Thu Jul 9 17:38:35 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Jul 9 17:38:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A56716B.1070507@net153.net> Howard Haradon wrote on 6/12/2009: >> Nathan wrote: > An idea to try and have the group work on a open source / cross > platform program that would maybe take a year to get done that we > could talk about for 15 min. or so each meeting and show off our > progress at the computer shows. The program I suggested was a simple > one person Calendar program not aimed at a work group or a web site, > but one that a person might keep track of items for themselves. > >> Nathan > > This is something that I would like to work on, but it seems that > Orage pretty well covers that need for now. Perhaps some kind > of financial tool like an easy version of gnucash or maybe some > kind of retirement planner. Or we could look for an existing project > that needs help and work on that? > > HH Did anything ever become of this idea? And Howard, what was the original message that you replied to? I can seem to find it anywhere... Sam From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 9 17:58:41 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 9 17:58:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A567621.3080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> I've been trying to understand this... My explanation might sound simplistic, but bear with me... let's talk the same language and I -think- we can get through this. >> The telephone line is referred to. Both my telephone and computer are >> plugged into the same jack via the 2 Wire DSL filter. Computers require AC voltage from the electrical outlet (called an electric jack in some circles) and telephones do -not- plug into electrical jacks. So, I'm gathering that when you say your 'telephone' is plugged into the same jack as the the computer, you mean the telephone line out of the computer, and the plain ol' telephone (POT) are plugged into the same TELEPHONE jack. This is not the correct way to connect an AT&T 2Wire DSL modem/router. The DSL modem/router plugs into a twin RJ-11 'pigtail' that has, on one end, a regular telephone jack (RJ-11) and on the other end has two, side-by-side RJ-11 female jacks. The regular end of this 'pigtail' plugs into an unfiltered telephone jack on the wall of your dwelling. On the other end, the side marked DSL/HPNA connects to your DSL modem. The other is marked "Phone" and that's where you plug in your POT (plain ol' telephone). Let's please be specific when addressing each jack, be it electrical or telephone. Telephone female receptacles are "phone jacks" and Electrical AC Outlets are "AC plugs". Now that we're clear on terminology, when you say "AC on the line", let's try a few things to determine where it's coming from. I lived in an old, old house that had 1950's wiring. It wasn't until the late 60's and early 70's when electrical devices depended on AC polarity, so I've been through this exact process before. 1) Unplug every line from every telephone jack in the house. Everything. No phone, no where. 2) Go out to the junction box, unscrew the bolt and remove the jack that powers the house. This is the interface box between the Telephone Company (telco) and your dwelling. 3) Grab up your POT (plain ol' telephon) and plug it into the jack you just opened up, and check for dialtone. at this point, you are liable to hear a lot of hash/trash on the line and a carrier that sounds like it is looking for a connection. This is the DSL signal coming down the line, looking for the DSL modem. If you hear this noise, then grab up one of the regular in-line filters, and plug -it- into the jack, then your POT into the filter. A Regular in-line filter has a single male plug for the telephone jack, and a single female jack that your POT plugs into. 4) Check again for dialtone. If you get one, press a digit so the dialtone goes away, and listen for 'hum' on the line. *If you have hum, stop here* and call the telephone company. It's -their- problem. If you don't have hum, then plug back in the jack that provides telephone to the dwelling and go to each telephone jack on the walls in the dwelling and plug your filtered POT into each, repeating step 4 at each jack. If you don't hear any hum on any of the jacks, then plug your filtered POT into a jack (any jack), and then, one by one, plug your regular telephone devices back into their respective jacks. DO NOT PLUG IN THE DSL MODEM YET! After each device is plugged in, check the POT for hum, again. Check after each device is plugged in, one by one. Eventually, you'll find the offending device. If all devices show no hum, then plug in the DSL modem again, and check for hum. Chances are, at this point, the DSL modem has a problem, -or- the Electrical outlet is wired backwards. I got lost when you said you were checking each line for AC, and couldn't tell if you were checking the phone jacks or the electrical outlets. From reading the thread, I'm not the only one confused ;-) Of course, each electrical outlet is going to have AC on it. It's supposed to. Do the checks on the telephone jack at the user interface box first, then check the inside of your dwelling. Methodical and thorough checking will gain results. Let us know what you find. -Geoff From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 9 18:13:31 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 9 18:13:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A567621.3080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> <4A567621.3080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A56799B.8050904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Geoff wrote: > I've been trying to understand this... My explanation might sound > simplistic, but bear with me... let's talk the same language and I > -think- we can get through this. and, through all of that, I forgot to mention that the computer connects to the DSL modem from the Network Interface card (nic) with a cable that has RJ-45 plugs on each end. sorry -Geoff From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jul 9 18:25:38 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jul 9 18:25:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Project In-Reply-To: <4A56716B.1070507@net153.net> References: <4A56716B.1070507@net153.net> Message-ID: <4A567C72.2030209@lookcee.com> Samuel Leon wrote: > Howard Haradon wrote on 6/12/2009: >>> Nathan wrote: >> An idea to try and have the group work on a open source / cross >> platform program that would maybe take a year to get done that we >> could talk about for 15 min. or so each meeting and show off our >> progress at the computer shows. The program I suggested was a simple >> one person Calendar program not aimed at a work group or a web site, >> but one that a person might keep track of items for themselves. >> >>> Nathan >> >> This is something that I would like to work on, but it seems that >> Orage pretty well covers that need for now. Perhaps some kind >> of financial tool like an easy version of gnucash or maybe some >> kind of retirement planner. Or we could look for an existing project >> that needs help and work on that? >> >> HH > > > Did anything ever become of this idea? And Howard, what was the > original message that you replied to? I can seem to find it anywhere... > > Sam Yeah I was interested also but I seem to remember the thread got hijacked and died. It seems to me looking at it from my deteriorating POV is that soon the raises I get of 2.x to 3.0% inflation over the past 8yrs has brought me to bankruptcy, the 300 and the 250 stim bonuses this year fail by long shot to cover it. A perfect example is just 8yrs ago I bought 330' roll of hog fence wire 46"x330' for $79 and I just priced a roll of the same exact product and it is $190. Same thing with food staples, milk, bread, Elect cost ($24 to 102mo) has all quad in price over these oil wars that increase price of oil are we stupid ??? YES we are. Nothing our Gov is doing is to benefit the working person only the elite class of worthless slugs that travel 1st class and have no frets. Since I cannot see Gov handing me a helping hand to prevent me from having to sell my home just to eat I vote for a small one person biz type accounting prog, No PR just pure inventory and production control. some thing that would be similar to Quickbooks but having all Gov requirements of a normal biz optional. Ok I will admit I have not tried to search for one lately not even since I switched to the penguin two yrs ago but if I am to survive I have to generate some money and it has to be under the table. Under the present rules my medical supplimental SSI has to be paid back $1 for $1 so in order to acchive $20 of money I could keep I would have to make over $1,020.00 a mo. Only way it seems is to develop a formal layer of commerce. Yes I know this is politically incorrect but survival is approaching fast. Looking at real numbers not the gov BS we will not hit the bottom of this destruction of our nation until 2012 so the pinch has not even started. Lol I wonder what the response to this will be.... flame away, anyway I think some thought needs to be directed toward protection from the predator. The Gov is not on your side. herb From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jul 9 18:32:23 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jul 9 18:32:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A56799B.8050904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> <4A567621.3080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A56799B.8050904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A567E07.5020300@lookcee.com> Geoff wrote: > Geoff wrote: > >> I've been trying to understand this... My explanation might sound >> simplistic, but bear with me... let's talk the same language and I >> -think- we can get through this. >> > > and, through all of that, I forgot to mention that the computer connects > to the DSL modem from the Network Interface card (nic) with a cable that > has RJ-45 plugs on each end. > > sorry > > -Geoff > Geoff he is talking about a splitter plug that splits the line into a filter that allows the Phone on one RJ-11 plug and the modem input to another RJ-11 to a dual use DSL line and i suspect it is older phone giving the feedback tru the filter to the ring circuit. So I do not use that filter I only plug in what I am using either the puter or the phone. Got it? herb From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 9 19:00:31 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 9 19:00:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A567E07.5020300@lookcee.com> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> <4A567621.3080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A56799B.8050904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A567E07.5020300@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4A56849F.3010208@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Herb Cee wrote: > Geoff wrote: >> Geoff wrote: >> >>> I've been trying to understand this... My explanation might sound >>> simplistic, but bear with me... let's talk the same language and I >>> -think- we can get through this. >>> >> >> and, through all of that, I forgot to mention that the computer connects >> to the DSL modem from the Network Interface card (nic) with a cable that >> has RJ-45 plugs on each end. >> >> sorry >> >> -Geoff >> > > > Geoff he is talking about a splitter plug that splits the line into a > filter that allows the Phone on one RJ-11 plug and the modem input to > another RJ-11 to a dual use DSL line and i suspect it is older phone > giving the feedback tru the filter to the ring circuit. > > So I do not use that filter I only plug in what I am using either the > puter or the phone. > Got it? > herb > I understand all that... I wasn't talking about -your- problem, I was talking about -his- issues. Geeze, I -thought- I was simplistic enough... From hc at lookcee.com Thu Jul 9 19:02:55 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Thu Jul 9 19:02:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: <4A56849F.3010208@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55297F.3050600@gmail.com> <4A552D32.3020204@sbcglobal.net> <4A552F5D.6070100@gmail.com> <4A553BEC.6010708@earthlink.net> <4A563A67.4070100@sbcglobal.net> <4A5652AC.7060907@earthlink.net> <4A567621.3080608@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A56799B.8050904@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A567E07.5020300@lookcee.com> <4A56849F.3010208@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A56852F.90100@lookcee.com> Geoff wrote: > Herb Cee wrote: > >> Geoff wrote: >> >>> Geoff wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I've been trying to understand this... My explanation might sound >>>> simplistic, but bear with me... let's talk the same language and I >>>> -think- we can get through this. >>>> >>>> >>> and, through all of that, I forgot to mention that the computer connects >>> to the DSL modem from the Network Interface card (nic) with a cable that >>> has RJ-45 plugs on each end. >>> >>> sorry >>> >>> -Geoff >>> >>> >> Geoff he is talking about a splitter plug that splits the line into a >> filter that allows the Phone on one RJ-11 plug and the modem input to >> another RJ-11 to a dual use DSL line and i suspect it is older phone >> giving the feedback tru the filter to the ring circuit. >> >> So I do not use that filter I only plug in what I am using either the >> puter or the phone. >> Got it? >> herb >> >> > > I understand all that... I wasn't talking about -your- problem, I was > talking about -his- issues. > > Geeze, I -thought- I was simplistic enough... > Wow want to tell me what my prob is? I have none that I am aware of > > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Thu Jul 9 23:15:04 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Thu Jul 9 23:15:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Project Message-ID: <787514.18909.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Herb Cee wrote: > > Yes I know this is politically incorrect but survival is > approaching fast. Looking at real numbers not the gov BS we > will not hit the bottom of this destruction of our nation > until 2012 so the pinch has not even started. > > Lol I wonder what the response to this will be.... flame > away, anyway I think some thought needs to be directed > toward protection from the predator. The Gov is not on your > side. > > herb the tip of my hat to you Sir. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jul 10 00:22:42 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 10 00:22:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Video Capture: Diff between bt848 vs 878 vs cx2388x chipsets? With per-channel Audio? Message-ID: <200907100022.42428.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Anyone know much about bt8x8 and cx2388x video capture cards? I've only done stuff with tuner cards.. and am starting to put together a home security system based on ZoneMinder and a bunch of video cameras (see XCSSA mail list if interested in that). Anyway.. My cams all have microphones.. and I was hoping to capture both the video AND accompanying video from each camera.. But most of these cards only seem to do video.. no audio. So I guess that I need something with a bt878a chipset.. no? Anyone else done this.. and built a setup that did audio for each independent camera too? If so.. what card did you use? I'm looking at something like this: http://store.bluecherry.net/Provideo_PV_143Na_p/pv-143na.htm But no luck with finding one with audio yet for anywhere near the same price. Tweeks From hc at lookcee.com Fri Jul 10 00:43:40 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Jul 10 00:43:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Newer CPUs, My experience w/3gig dual core Message-ID: <4A56D50C.5000505@lookcee.com> I dunno if this will be of interest to anyone but I live in a RV campsite and have very limited elect power. I have a 600' long Gauge 2 extension cord running from the closest point Mid-S Elect chose to put the meter so I do not use and A/C. In past yrs (from'96) I have gone from an 8086 to a P-4 and currently I am running a pair of P-4 Intel 3gig dual core 775 ECS boxes and an older 750M Intel P-3. We are in a heat wave currently that has kept my local temp reading (Oregon Scientific home weather station) from 100 to 109.6 almost every day for the past 5wks and using fans and shade under huge old Oaks inside the RV has remained under 100 usually 104 out 96 inside. the 109 day got to 99 These fantastic fast Intel chips are set to shut down before meltdown (156f) and have yet to quit. I run one box 24/7 and not one boot so far. In the past I could not run when temp hit 100 out I would get shutdown and I have burned out several CPUs. I stick my hand behind the P/S fan and its hot but not to hot to stand, I know some folks cannot use A/C for both health or financial reasons so I hope this helps any in this situ. The clock is set on this box to the default lowest 200, I do not know if it would run at 800 max standard or not. I read where the single core (same family 775) 3.2gig holds the worlds record of running at clock speed of 8,000 but had liquid cooling and was a lab bench setup. Incredible I think. I am very glad I made this choice, had some guidence too, from you guys so thanks cool score, pun intended . herb From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 08:56:47 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Jul 10 08:56:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Project In-Reply-To: <787514.18909.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <787514.18909.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ---------- Back to SATLUG Project ! -------------- On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Herb Cee wrote: >> >> Yes I know this is politically incorrect but survival is >> < SNIP> >> herb > > > the tip of my hat to you Sir. > > > -------------------------------------- > > Support the troops, bring them home. > > http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 ------------ No Hijacking ----------------- ---------- Back to SATLUG Project ! -------------- Sam et al, here is what happened: Nathan wrote: An idea to try and have the group work on a open source / cross platform program that would maybe take a year to get done that we could talk about for 15 min. or so each meeting and show off our progress at the computer shows. The program I suggested was a simple one person Calendar program not aimed at a work group or a web site, but one that a person might keep track of items for themselves. Nathan Howard wrote: This is something that I would like to work on, but it seems that Orage pretty well covers that need for now. Perhaps some kind of financial tool like an easy version of gnucash or maybe some kind of retirement planner. Or we could look for an existing project that needs help and work on that? HH July 10 (new stuff) The reason I mention gnucash is that I have tried it for my personal finances and found it to be complicated to use, an overkill, and way too much work for simple personal record keeping. Perhaps we could take the code and streamline it for use by lazy people? Another thought on this would be to create something for a very focused niche. Maybe some kind of tool/database to help users diagnose and fix Wifi adapter problems on notebook PCs? Anyway, I suggest that we elevate this topic to become the primary subject of our next meeting. Please comment. HH -- Howard Haradon From president at satlug.org Sat Jul 11 08:24:10 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Sat Jul 11 08:24:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Apologies about meeting Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0907110624v5f59e30ai70d4264f7b326dbb@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I owe everyone who showed up at the meeting Thursday night an apology. I spent most of Sunday, all of Monday and about 2/3rds of Wednesday at the Convention Center attending the 135 Imperial Council of Shriner's International. When I got off work Wednesday & Thursday all I wanted to do was eat, go home, and go to sleep. So that is what I did last night & totally forgot about the meeting until I checked my e-mail Again, I'm sorry for missing the meeting. From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Sat Jul 11 09:39:12 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Sat Jul 11 09:39:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Apologies about meeting Message-ID: <20090711143912.B991D10612@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Meh, well I was going to go too but sadly my car is still in the shop for the transmission until monday, totally lame. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Wells, President" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: [SATLUG] Apologies about meeting Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:24:10 -0500 Hello all, I owe everyone who showed up at the meeting Thursday night an apology. I spent most of Sunday, all of Monday and about 2/3rds of Wednesday at the Convention Center attending the 135 Imperial Council of Shriner's International. When I got off work Wednesday & Thursday all I wanted to do was eat, go home, and go to sleep. So that is what I did last night & totally forgot about the meeting until I checked my e-mail Again, I'm sorry for missing the meeting. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From crynosys at grandecom.net Sat Jul 11 11:21:10 2009 From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris) Date: Sat Jul 11 11:21:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Hey Storey Message-ID: <4A58BBF6.8050503@grandecom.net> I've e-mailed your @clamp address. I apologize for the public bump. Chris Lee From edeleonjr at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 11:26:02 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Sat Jul 11 11:26:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dell D600 for sale Message-ID: I'm looking to offload my Dell D600. It is working flawlessly, has an extra battery which also works, and comes will all original CDs. The spec overview is Centrino 1.7 or 1.8 GHz proc (I don't remember the actual speed), 1 GB of RAM (upgradeable to 2 GB), and a 40 GB HDD. Also has wifi. It is perfect for a business laptop or for a student doing school work. If you're interested, please contact me off list and we can discuss a price. Thanks, Ernest From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Jul 11 15:49:21 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Jul 11 15:49:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice and videos Message-ID: <200907112049.n6BKnLbW008617@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I am trying to playback an mpg video clip in an OpenOffice presentation. I picked a Java runtime environment, and then tried to insert the movie. Now Openoffice complains about the format of the file (mpg file generated with mencoder from a bunch of jpg files). 2 questions: 1. what format is supported under OO 2.4? 2. How do I convert the mpg file into a supported file without significant quality loss? Thanks, -Borries From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 17:06:20 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Jul 11 17:06:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice and videos In-Reply-To: <200907112049.n6BKnLbW008617@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200907112049.n6BKnLbW008617@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <200907111706.20732.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Saturday 11 July 2009 15:49:21 Borries Demeler wrote: > I am trying to playback an mpg video clip in an OpenOffice presentation. > I picked a Java runtime environment, and then tried to insert the movie. > Now Openoffice complains about the format of the file (mpg file generated > with mencoder from a bunch of jpg files). > > 2 questions: > > 1. what format is supported under OO 2.4? > 2. How do I convert the mpg file into a supported file without significant > quality loss? > > Thanks, -Borries > I am not sure about version 2.4. I just tried with version 3.1 and inserted an mpeg video directly, without having to choose java for anything, and it works great. http://jdchoate.mcn.org/i_ron_butterfly.odp See if that will play in version 2.4 John C From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 17:33:55 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Jul 11 17:33:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News Message-ID: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> Here's another one for the EFF to go a little deeper into... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_bi_ge/us_chipping_america_iv_2 Cheers; Ed From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 11 19:15:21 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sat Jul 11 19:15:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Apologies about meeting In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0907110624v5f59e30ai70d4264f7b326dbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0907110624v5f59e30ai70d4264f7b326dbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1i9i55ht393btmr6asj5031m3rm1mmq262@4ax.com> wrote: >Again, I'm sorry for missing the meeting. It seems to have ended well, though it certainly could have started better. First no faculty sponsor could be found, so no room.[1] The building is still a maze due to construction, so our presenter, Enrique Sanchez, carried his desktop system about until he found a few LUGgers clustered in the basement. (Who says computer geeks don't get exercise?) About 7:30 with no sign of Steve or Glenn, Storey volunteered his conference room a few blocks away. The caravan was successful and a good presentation was viewed by the hardy few. We missed a previous meeting this year due to no access, and it looks like SAC will continue to be difficult. Any suggestions where to meet for the rest of the year? --Don [1] SAC is having District problems and an emergency faculty meeting may have been the cause. Just wish someone had bothered to email the list. From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 19:48:39 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (christopher.lemire@gmail.com) Date: Sat Jul 11 19:48:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Need psu urgently Message-ID: <1551407461-1247359713-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1117718484-@bxe1174.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hello satlug, I've moved to houston and transferred from accd to hcc. I have my professor of macroeconmic's computer in my room. I purchased ram for it. Then it is running fast and I temporarily connect my dvd player/burner to it. The PSU decides to go out, this time no smoke or flares like the past. The computer is old, Compaq presario 6 series. I'm asking the group if anyone has a spare PSU. It does not need to be over 200 watts. This one says 100 watt (max) on it and running xp with 64MB ram. I now have 512MB ram in it. I plan to put the latest Ubuntu along with all the software he uses and some in wine. Originally before knowing I'd upgrade his memory, I was going to put puppy Linux on there. Does anyone have a spare PSU? Much appreciated, Chris Lemire Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From bkfuth at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 19:49:41 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Sat Jul 11 19:49:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Apologies about meeting In-Reply-To: <1i9i55ht393btmr6asj5031m3rm1mmq262@4ax.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0907110624v5f59e30ai70d4264f7b326dbb@mail.gmail.com> <1i9i55ht393btmr6asj5031m3rm1mmq262@4ax.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0907111749o1659a27fpd8cd69066324aba@mail.gmail.com> Both occasions that you did not have access I simply forgot about the meetings. Don, you are the most reliable attendee. If you could give me a call the day before the meeting and remind me this would be very helpful to ensure that I am always there to let everyone in. Sorry for the screw-up. Steve On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Don Wright wrote: > wrote: > > >Again, I'm sorry for missing the meeting. > > It seems to have ended well, though it certainly could have started > better. First no faculty sponsor could be found, so no room.[1] The > building is still a maze due to construction, so our presenter, Enrique > Sanchez, carried his desktop system about until he found a few LUGgers > clustered in the basement. (Who says computer geeks don't get exercise?) > [...] From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Jul 11 19:50:53 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Jul 11 19:51:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice and videos In-Reply-To: <200907111706.20732.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907120050.n6C0or5l014911@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > I am not sure about version 2.4. I just tried with version 3.1 and inserted an mpeg video directly, without having to choose java for anything, and it works great. > > http://jdchoate.mcn.org/i_ron_butterfly.odp > > See if that will play in version 2.4 I tried it, and it does not. I tried updating OO before to 3.0 but it would never run correctly under Slackware, so I stuck with 2.4. I'll try again with 3.1. -b. From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 21:38:47 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (christopher.lemire@gmail.com) Date: Sat Jul 11 21:38:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fw: AT Pwr. supply? Message-ID: <1791812901-1247366320-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-982575041-@bxe1174.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thanks for the offer Howard. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: christopher.lemire@gmail.com Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:37:43 To: Howard Haradon Subject: Re: AT Pwr. supply? No, must be ATX. It's a Compaq presario 6830. You wouldn't believe what I am doing right now to get Linux on it till I can get it a PSU. http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs150.snc1/5573_107113242329_734667329_2615366_2508713_n.jpg Me jump starting my macroeconimic professor's computer w/my 750watt PSU ------Original Message------ From: Howard Haradon To: Christopher Lemire Subject: AT Pwr. supply? Sent: Jul 11, 2009 8:02 PM I have an old AT PS that you can have. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 12 09:31:02 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 12 09:31:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice and videos Message-ID: <200907121431.n6CEV2kj023901@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > I am not sure about version 2.4. I just tried with version 3.1 and inserted an mpeg video directly, without having to choose java for anything, and it works great. > > http://jdchoate.mcn.org/i_ron_butterfly.odp > > See if that will play in version 2.4 > > > John C > Well, I downloaded and installed OO3.1, but no luck either. See if this runs inside of OO3.1 on your installation: http://www.demeler.uthscsa.edu/MWL/20scans-movie.mpg The other thing is that OO3.1 runs *significantly* slower on my computer than 2.4 does. Did you notice the same problem? It is really sluggish redrawing any screens, menus, screen updates. Any ideas? -b. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Jul 12 10:38:03 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Jul 12 10:38:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Need psu urgently Message-ID: >Hello satlug, I've moved to houston my professor Compaq >presario 6 series.anyone has a spare >PSU. over 200 watts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aren't you affiliated with HLUG, and fielded your request to the HLUG membership. Am sure someone Local in the Houston area may have what you need. If you haven't joined HLUG, it might be a good plan. Lou From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 12:22:46 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Jul 12 12:22:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice and videos In-Reply-To: <200907121431.n6CEV2kj023901@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200907121431.n6CEV2kj023901@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <200907121222.46591.jdchoate@gmail.com> > Well, I downloaded and installed OO3.1, but no luck either. See if this runs > inside of OO3.1 on your installation: > > http://www.demeler.uthscsa.edu/MWL/20scans-movie.mpg > > The other thing is that OO3.1 runs *significantly* slower on my computer than 2.4 does. > Did you notice the same problem? It is really sluggish redrawing any screens, menus, > screen updates. Any ideas? > > -b. > I wish I could say that I had a problem and the video is to blame, but I can't. The video ran fine in a presentation in ooo 3.1. 3.1 runs nice and fast for me on an HP dv9000 laptop with nvidia geforce mobile graphics. I'd start looking at the video driver or, more likely, missing libraries and video codecs. Something must be causing you these troubles and it must be repairable, because I know that OOO3.1 can work very nicely... I have been using 3.x for several months now. Good luck, John C. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 12 12:45:02 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 12 12:45:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice and videos In-Reply-To: <200907121222.46591.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907121745.n6CHj2oG028579@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > I wish I could say that I had a problem and the video is to blame, but I can't. The video ran fine in a presentation in ooo 3.1. > 3.1 runs nice and fast for me on an HP dv9000 laptop with nvidia geforce mobile graphics. I'd start looking at the video driver or, more likely, missing libraries and video codecs. Something must be causing you these troubles and it must be repairable, because I know that OOO3.1 can work very nicely... I have been using 3.x for several months now. > Good luck, OK, so there is hope :-) I'll keep trying... -Borries From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 14:07:00 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (christopher.lemire@gmail.com) Date: Sun Jul 12 14:06:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Need psu urgently Message-ID: <1881590140-1247425614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1162627654-@bxe1174.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have tried. Very surprisingly their group is very inactive. I get a mail from the list about once or twice a month. The last many times I checked, their web server is down. That indicates they are not paying the web hosting bill. I've never seen a lug as active as satlug. I plan to transfer my schooling and move back to san antonio as I have been following utsa's degree plan for Math and Computer Science and with the help of a few programmer buddies working for usaa, I can get in as well. ------Original Message------ From: scs@worldlinkisp.com Sender: satlug-bounces@satlug.org To: satlug@satlug.org ReplyTo: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] Need psu urgently Sent: Jul 12, 2009 10:38 AM >Hello satlug, I've moved to houston my professor Compaq >presario 6 series.anyone has a spare >PSU. over 200 watts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aren't you affiliated with HLUG, and fielded your request to the HLUG membership. Am sure someone Local in the Houston area may have what you need. If you haven't joined HLUG, it might be a good plan. Lou -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Jul 12 15:19:53 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Jul 12 15:19:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice and videos Message-ID: <4A5A4569.70502@satx.rr.com> I'm resending this since it seems to have not gone through the first time ... (see below) >> I am not sure about version 2.4. I just tried with version 3.1 and inserted an mpeg video directly, without having to choose java for anything, and it works great. >> >> http://jdchoate.mcn.org/i_ron_butterfly.odp >> >> See if that will play in version 2.4 >> >> >> John C > Well, I downloaded and installed OO3.1, but no luck either. See if this runs > inside of OO3.1 on your installation: > > http://www.demeler.uthscsa.edu/MWL/20scans-movie.mpg > > The other thing is that OO3.1 runs *significantly* slower on my computer than 2.4 does. Did you notice the same problem? It is really sluggish redrawing any screens, menus, screen updates. Any ideas? > > -b. Just out of curiosity, I tried to see if this would run on my Windows box, but it wouldn't run there either. I got the following error: "You are trying to play an MP3 file that contains compressed ID3 headers. The ID3 header is a portion of the file that stores the song's album information (for example, the song name, artist name, album name, and genre). This information is sometimes called a "tag." To fix the problem, make a copy of the file and then use a non-Microsoft ID3 tag editing program to remove or reset the file's ID3 headers. After you remove the ID3 headers, Windows Media Player should be able to play the MP3 file. Attempting to remove ID3 headers might damage the file and make it unplayable. Therefore, always make a copy of the file before you edit it. If this solution does not resolve the problem, the file might be corrupted." There was also some references to having some kind of sound driver problem and that I should check to see if my sound card was working, etc. (it was, BTW). So maybe your issue is not with OO at all. Al Lesmerises From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Jul 12 15:40:59 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Jul 12 15:41:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OpenOffice and videos In-Reply-To: <4A5A4569.70502@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200907122040.n6CKex0c000713@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Just out of curiosity, I tried to see if this would run on my Windows > box, but it wouldn't run there either. I got the following error: > > "You are trying to play an MP3 file that contains compressed ID3 > headers. The ID3 header is a portion of the file that stores the song's > album information (for example, the song name, artist name, album name, > and genre). This information is sometimes called a "tag." > > To fix the problem, make a copy of the file and then use a non-Microsoft > ID3 tag editing program to remove or reset the file's ID3 headers. After > you remove the ID3 headers, Windows Media Player should be able to play > the MP3 file. > > Attempting to remove ID3 headers might damage the file and make it > unplayable. Therefore, always make a copy of the file before you edit it. > > If this solution does not resolve the problem, the file might be corrupted." > > There was also some references to having some kind of sound driver > problem and that I should check to see if my sound card was working, > etc. (it was, BTW). So maybe your issue is not with OO at all. > > Al Lesmerises Thanks, Al, but I think this is a misleading error message - the file doesn't contain any sound. Furthermore, it plays just fine with mplayer. My solution now is to just link an object on the presentation page to a script file that plays this movie with mplayer - that works fine. Perhaps someone knows what file formats are natively supported under OO and then tell me how to convert the file to that format without loss of quality. Thanks again, -Borries From cdv7 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 13 18:08:40 2009 From: cdv7 at sbcglobal.net (cdv7@sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon Jul 13 18:08:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: New user requests advice. In-Reply-To: References: <4A29AAA1.7010801@sbcglobal.net> <4A29B577.1080000@futuretechsolutions.com> <4A552805.3050602@sbcglobal.net> <4A55616B.7020705@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A5BBE78.1040903@sbcglobal.net> Don Wright wrote: > Previously this was mentioned: > >>> Exterior Jack >>> (In the gray Telephone Network Interface box.) - No light. Dead Line. >>> > > This concerns me, as the TNI (or SNI for Subscriber Network Interface) > test jack is supposed to be the place to disconnect all inside wiring > (IW) and check the pure line from your telephone company by plugging a > phone into it. If that one is dead but inside works, something isn't > proper. > This part of the problem may have been corrected. If I understood the AT&T technician correctly, I was told not to expect a light from the analog telephone line tester unless I was receiving an incoming call. After the technician did some work on it, he was able to receive a dial tone on his equipment. I also checked the test jack by plugging a phone into it. I was able to call out and receive an incoming phone call from that same jack. > Let's be sure we're talking about the same thing. Here's a picture of > one of these puppies. Look at the green jack with the short gray phone > line plugged into it. That's the test jack - yours should be similar. > Ignore the part about opening things and cutting wires - that's a whole > different situation he's fixing. > > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1012399 > Yes, I have the same green jack with a short gray phone line. > If there is more than one jack, you may have a spare one or more for a > second line. > I examined this section. I saw only one interface jack. I have Line Module III 4 Screw-Version B. > If your house has a security system that uses the phone line, that's > another complication and you may need to get the alarm company involved. > > I do not have a security system. Thank you for your feedback. I will look into your initial suggestions and also each of the suggestions offered by other members. ~ cdv From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Jul 13 18:57:58 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Jul 13 18:58:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 ed wrote: > Here's another one for the EFF to go a little deeper into... > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_bi_ge/us_chipping_america_iv_2 > > Cheers; > Ed > Be sure NOT to smash your passport with a hammer, it might disable the RFID. (if you get one of the new ones that is.) - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKW8oGAAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob7i0MALL8d8zS3am9mhybx3tmONMJ 99Iinh3WbjoJSEzztqJBkmbbmBD/lvMhmHe+Ffrk2uSEc6f/5Ln63ENodqC+Ey4S HSq/s+Qvl/bOPsMhbaRLIwX2in1IkWoxSO9iJnE6KrWXuFxeZj0Q4wcgbHoiUZRQ ww141+qLyCMflD2l6z88osRBq086xxn9u1Vegf3c9a7X520VdHqPD7V2Z8DKpXxX AQ3c84Ss2nvlVqNWib/FPydszcVFkziKON1AMtzKAXEBecZCrlI6wjVp/fm6CsmC 8xJEMQdfzQjH7YDGMaJn3/AwupxUgOd6JKGozu5XwYm2FgFOMyATgCtNk/ZCH0xV gaB7Oy0kz2wweNkqVnvqNVFSnm65lyX7aEoSBC0JT5sBxSUz2UJMvvNXcpP1HZl7 jMN6TEHe60NQlGQ4jVwrERxtKcaehWUssGIitl5x0tlk+bITHr2ANeIbBkZyanMK D7wcyorzJii4RmlCbAprRyJ+fB3CVaLP0Mgoq5sIZQ== =2jcO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Mon Jul 13 20:34:28 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Mon Jul 13 20:34:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> David Kowis wrote: > Be sure NOT to smash your passport with a hammer, it might disable the > RFID. (if you get one of the new ones that is.) uhm... and that would be a -bad- thing? From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 21:29:33 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Jul 13 21:29:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? Message-ID: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> Do any of you know where my sister can get an FM blocker or how she make one so she can use her HDTV's OTA? She doesn't want to spend the money for cable or satellite, which is the only way to get TV on these HDTV's currently. One of my friends who is the chief engineer at a local TV station told me about these problems and how that would be the only resolution for her problems. They have lost thousands of viewers because the DTV signals are being blocked by FM radio and other signals...he says the only way to get TV on them is to use a blocker, although this station is actively tring to do something abt this with the FCC. She's upset because she has no TV now...thanks! cheryl -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Jul 13 21:38:42 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Jul 13 21:38:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Geoff wrote: > David Kowis wrote: >> Be sure NOT to smash your passport with a hammer, it might disable the >> RFID. (if you get one of the new ones that is.) > > uhm... and that would be a -bad- thing? > I don't think so, but I do believe it's illegal to do so. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/start.html?pg=9 "tampering with a passport is punishable by 25 years in prison." Of course, if it were to stop working for some reason, that's a different story. RFID can be rather fragile. - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKW++yAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObdsgMAKJUELmN28xI1CTyShFHuIna xHuL9R2n9+o0X/cNORK+gKWoVZj5Cu7X2t2li/rO2I/qSD7nWUe8MYbF6zJi1TNS w/qVB29GSR9dsGBZLNGQkmYC4BmiLcWdqZS48QcfoTV/hkTkB5NxD+avIhpiZ5Mz +11ZFXzKN6K9hPhkoF31AFzEN0lIApz5bYEPZRHlqI8NsWFBWEPZkl3WWCYMolK6 NzlPYOYCCdd2FGz2zuv8Se20r2ej0eoiWTKWOpPpcptTUJFTjEP4T/U6gsTAZ7v+ o1fmUlmsDOW9n8EuKxXc7II/HJjGzmaprJteZY1jUD5odfQTnenjO5b1PTLGkp/A PkdLKVnQmHKj6OXfJrRlAGIV2iSwLz0jiQzZKppgdYzETsWzUEluE2wcsIXnDfw6 L8ieyIAscLjmtUs9ITufgJg95+B0Rn07kNXP1d5x9oSAjtsn7+50zS1Y258WJP9g FkICk9TKHQeriT6jmIbOsLoyIY6qR9Wwrx4o1Ri3dA== =0Ruq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Mon Jul 13 21:49:42 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Mon Jul 13 21:49:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4A5BF246.3000608@suddenlink.net> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Geoff wrote: >> David Kowis wrote: >>> Be sure NOT to smash your passport with a hammer, it might disable the >>> RFID. (if you get one of the new ones that is.) >> uhm... and that would be a -bad- thing? >> > > I don't think so, but I do believe it's illegal to do so. > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/start.html?pg=9 > "tampering with a passport is punishable by 25 years in prison." > > Of course, if it were to stop working for some reason, that's a > different story. RFID can be rather fragile. > Yeah, I think the people at Customs when you try to enter the country would want to know why the passport was not working and would direct you to get a new passport. Hammer marks might cause them to investigate why the passport was not working. Could a strong magnet kill the RFID chip? I hear some foreign customs stations "use" really strong magnetometers to detect weapons. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Say no more! A nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse, if you catch my meaning! From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 21:57:50 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Jul 13 21:57:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4A5BF42E.3080608@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > Geoff wrote: >> David Kowis wrote: >>> Be sure NOT to smash your passport with a hammer, it might disable the >>> RFID. (if you get one of the new ones that is.) >> uhm... and that would be a -bad- thing? > > > I don't think so, but I do believe it's illegal to do so. > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/start.html?pg=9 > "tampering with a passport is punishable by 25 years in prison." > > Of course, if it were to stop working for some reason, that's a > different story. RFID can be rather fragile. http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/rs-editedjl-or-an-po-1127/ -- Bruce From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Jul 13 22:07:55 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Jul 13 22:08:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5BF42E.3080608@gmail.com> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5BF42E.3080608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5BF68B.4070904@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/rs-editedjl-or-an-po-1127/ > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/12/0611201/Cruising-Fishermans-Wharf-For-New-Passports-Serial-Numbers?from=rss TFA: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531720,00.html Another: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090712/D99CRDAG0.html Teh Yoo Toob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9isKnDiJNPk Does not bode well for them being safe... I doubt there were lots of open passports, but it's possible. Unless these were the drivers licenses. And then of course there's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X034R3yzDhw RFID is inherently insecure. I can see it being quite useful regarding replacing barcodes. like for purchasing, but not for storing personal information and/or credit card info. - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKW/aLAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObaicL/2nUJsny/RoL68IocaSnkuV8 CAM7FwJ1KTrHfPpN5nfuhAUOt5PyuxVmslvT7BEjisskPqaqNu+6RTtVd8mKVDIh ZQgI/qB9zowdA0KnpqYvDyNAamrg2F2zZ3UoMYOomNMzrM0N/0I7hAYgBxrTOdqU z2e0N9dIjGmsolcmEnKgJo6+ydJ7N4yqNplz/eXE2MaPUxN2raDWkCrzyRpM//1C Gv+Ybn+ggzh4Y1/mwErzkPJmsS09h3U+3WY8s3d5ecUzpXvGtZA8vlu2tJU9sk3/ ncik8cclUXfhNTGgPG5WIFDwcqsGGe3ukRVglAmJEuOzjQ3Gcax7DVVq3N7fOKaV Yq6ViKXwmn+MhNT4mO8YbJVZuaC+iGaOvOIifdIhOoE++UmXUuamWzCY0XFNpz1z OTTDOH5S81QxyQ432P0x12qCuEUBMuQFi6tdmGDNITYVH7X79pZZQohnjXRbh5u7 FA6X9LRVrwOiP86wqR2wxn3xXz3Up363aJZDzJVNrQ== =dM4m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Jul 13 22:12:14 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Jul 13 22:12:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5BF42E.3080608@gmail.com> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5BF42E.3080608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5BF78E.3070808@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/rs-editedjl-or-an-po-1127/ > of course there's this: http://travel.state.gov/passport/eppt/eppt_2788.html#Twelve But I want to see it proved. (and it's probably only a matter of time until those secret keys in each passport are brute forced, if I understand what they're saying...) Better than it used to be, and better than the rumors that were circulating. But I'm uncertain. Anyways sleep. - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJKW/eOAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObBDQL/3d8CIGyjjE7uTBzHtGkROws EaS+b5IJEjvdMiqpexsCxlC97jgtX4Fp43Ey6oTpaTvTdLtyc19aFxzFDKyJxsML p0ft4rLrz/z9XfnPUO6uP18N86MnlvDPNqnDRe9is6tpcjwiQFEFA/7vbm7rVhsk HkqaqaR9uZPTcMAXO7NiRId+OecGsChv7qYVYsMW8tPFEYKzuspyxQDjsdj6zZPs iT51CaEGqexbVd029q49d2QK2qXS/c/dUCDJNGcroyCEwdGuN4WkNst+9Ae8x0xd 5lCBGfBoAs3wQ+gyGqfS4M1S8N9nOXkkIDjynIRVRL52SIjIA01icTNndc2TAwEZ vRaqO63hi+W1cyLL67hIVIEIOKmHSRi0Vk1JtcQFSoeQWPmnq/oHimUu8H66nbBm XoFqK4Fw1VL55yjtbPx0rag0Cj4GkWZwoaC/lN5v0jUAjxPT5p/rH48DcXoJVVKF b3cWJZecqlj6yskxdIoUcG3sVSH1N+vFogBQQzGfrA== =i+a8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Tue Jul 14 07:06:59 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Tue Jul 14 07:07:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Updating the kernel w/o reboot.... Message-ID: <800849.85945.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey folks, back to the linux front.... this seems to be a cool of technology.. http://www.ksplice.com/doc/ksplice.pdf more about it here..... http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7406 can you imagine the new uptime numbers???? regards, esv. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From hc at lookcee.com Tue Jul 14 13:04:40 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Jul 14 13:04:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Updating the kernel w/o reboot.... In-Reply-To: <800849.85945.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <800849.85945.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A5CC8B8.70303@lookcee.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > Hey folks, > > back to the linux front.... this seems to be a cool of technology.. > > > http://www.ksplice.com/doc/ksplice.pdf > > more about it here..... > > http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7406 > > > can you imagine the new uptime numbers???? > > regards, > esv. > > Hey bro the Linux mag link not workee for me sumpin wrong? From e2eiod at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 14:26:27 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Tue Jul 14 14:26:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Updating the kernel w/o reboot.... In-Reply-To: <4A5CC8B8.70303@lookcee.com> References: <800849.85945.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A5CC8B8.70303@lookcee.com> Message-ID: On 7/14/09, Herb Cee wrote: > Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > back to the linux front.... this seems to be a cool of technology.. > > > > > > http://www.ksplice.com/doc/ksplice.pdf > > > > more about it here..... > > > > http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7406 > > > > > > can you imagine the new uptime numbers???? > > > > regards, > > esv. > > > > > > > Hey bro the Linux mag link not workee for me sumpin wrong? > > > -- Both worked fine for me just now. It took more than usual startup time so may be very busy. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jul 14 23:44:13 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Tue Jul 14 23:44:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> I am not a ham op, but I think that FM Jammers (which is essentially what you are asking for) are very much illegal and/or heavily regulated. That said I dont think that it would help your sister at all because (and I could be wrong) jammers do deny communications over a given frequency by filling that frequency with a whole lot of noise at very high power levels, thereby shouting out everyone else trying to use that frequency. As far a blocking fm frequencies the only way to that that I know of, that is without jamming, is to place said antenna in an area where it cannot get reception. that said you cannot just block the FM band to do so would require that you disable the transmitter. Once the waves are in the air its too late to block someone from receiving them without jamming the signals freq. Again I am not an expert but the ones on the list haven't spoken up. If I am wrong or misguided then I am sure some will correct me. g'day Todd On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:29 -0500, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Do any of you know where my sister can get an FM blocker or how she make one > so she can use her HDTV's OTA? She doesn't want to spend the money for > cable or satellite, which is the only way to get TV on these HDTV's > currently. > > One of my friends who is the chief engineer at a local TV station told me > about these problems and how that would be the only resolution for her > problems. They have lost thousands of viewers because the DTV signals are > being blocked by FM radio and other signals...he says the only way to get TV > on them is to use a blocker, although this station is actively tring to do > something abt this with the FCC. > > She's upset because she has no TV now...thanks! cheryl > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Jul 14 23:46:33 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Tue Jul 14 23:46:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5BF78E.3070808@shlrm.org> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5BF42E.3080608@gmail.com> <4A5BF78E.3070808@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1247633193.7498.10.camel@redpill-laptop> I wonder if I stick it under a tinfoil hat if it will block the signal:) Todd From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 00:02:17 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jul 15 00:02:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907142202g6711b0f3md8a306a7aff479c2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Todd, I think someone may have mentioned them being illegal now, but wasn't sure. I do understand what you're saying and that would explain Scot's frustration having thousands w/o being able to get any local channel signals. As he said, there is nothing anyone can do abt it, just as Radio Shack says the same thing because of the FM interference. Scot is hoping to get more power for KSAT which maybe would help. He's been meeting with the different engineers for stations of all types in the area, and no one has a solution yet. It just may never be possible to get reception to the majority of those people with HDTV's and over the air systems. Now I am starting to think this whole DTV thing was just a rouse to get more business for cable and satellite companies. I also checked antenna web and there are no solutions or recommendations for her address either..cheryl On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:44 PM, redpill wrote: > I am not a ham op, but I think that FM Jammers (which is essentially > what you are asking for) are very much illegal and/or heavily regulated. > That said I dont think that it would help your sister at all because > (and I could be wrong) jammers do deny communications over a given > frequency by filling that frequency with a whole lot of noise at very > high power levels, thereby shouting out everyone else trying to use that > frequency. As far a blocking fm frequencies the only way to that that I > know of, that is without jamming, is to place said antenna in an area > where it cannot get reception. that said you cannot just block the FM > band to do so would require that you disable the transmitter. Once the > waves are in the air its too late to block someone from receiving them > without jamming the signals freq. Again I am not an expert but the ones > on the list haven't spoken up. If I am wrong or misguided then I am > sure some will correct me. > > g'day > Todd > > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:29 -0500, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > Do any of you know where my sister can get an FM blocker or how she make > one > > so she can use her HDTV's OTA? She doesn't want to spend the money for > > cable or satellite, which is the only way to get TV on these HDTV's > > currently. > > > > One of my friends who is the chief engineer at a local TV station told me > > about these problems and how that would be the only resolution for her > > problems. They have lost thousands of viewers because the DTV signals > are > > being blocked by FM radio and other signals...he says the only way to get > TV > > on them is to use a blocker, although this station is actively tring to > do > > something abt this with the FCC. > > > > She's upset because she has no TV now...thanks! cheryl > > > > -- > > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June > 2008; > > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 00:31:04 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jul 15 00:31:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907142231vf338183r19adb713bbc0f358@mail.gmail.com> I need to say I wasn't looking for something illegal. I was hoping there was some sort of an inline thingy like an inline fliter. Maybe there will be at a later time. I did read that the blockers themselves (not an inline thing like I was talking abt) was banned by Homeland Security and why. cheryl On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:44 PM, redpill wrote: > I am not a ham op, but I think that FM Jammers (which is essentially > what you are asking for) are very much illegal and/or heavily regulated. > That said I dont think that it would help your sister at all because > (and I could be wrong) jammers do deny communications over a given > frequency by filling that frequency with a whole lot of noise at very > high power levels, thereby shouting out everyone else trying to use that > frequency. As far a blocking fm frequencies the only way to that that I > know of, that is without jamming, is to place said antenna in an area > where it cannot get reception. that said you cannot just block the FM > band to do so would require that you disable the transmitter. Once the > waves are in the air its too late to block someone from receiving them > without jamming the signals freq. Again I am not an expert but the ones > on the list haven't spoken up. If I am wrong or misguided then I am > sure some will correct me. > > g'day > Todd > > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:29 -0500, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > Do any of you know where my sister can get an FM blocker or how she make > one > > so she can use her HDTV's OTA? She doesn't want to spend the money for > > cable or satellite, which is the only way to get TV on these HDTV's > > currently. > > > > One of my friends who is the chief engineer at a local TV station told me > > about these problems and how that would be the only resolution for her > > problems. They have lost thousands of viewers because the DTV signals > are > > being blocked by FM radio and other signals...he says the only way to get > TV > > on them is to use a blocker, although this station is actively tring to > do > > something abt this with the FCC. > > > > She's upset because she has no TV now...thanks! cheryl > > > > -- > > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June > 2008; > > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From ftm at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 15 08:40:27 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Wed Jul 15 08:40:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907142231vf338183r19adb713bbc0f358@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <7e4994a70907142231vf338183r19adb713bbc0f358@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <63057B349D404D02AC50C2BFF1973DE0@control> >From a technical standpoint, I believe it will take improvements in the set-top boxes so that the signals will be isolated enough. I live near Sea World, and can receive OTA channels quite well, in fact can get better HD quality than I get over Time Warner on Channel 12. Channel 5 is still working on their transmitters and the HD quality is not yet up to snuff, but they promise completion is a few months. All I am using is Set top rabbit ears purchased from Wal-Mart. When I first installed the converter box, I was really surprised at how many local channels are actually broadcasting, because Time Warner does not seem to be carrying them all. I do periodically re-scan so as to double check signal improvements. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Holmes" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? >I need to say I wasn't looking for something illegal. I was hoping there > was some sort of an inline thingy like an inline fliter. Maybe there will > be at a later time. > > I did read that the blockers themselves (not an inline thing like I was > talking abt) was banned by Homeland Security and why. cheryl > From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed Jul 15 08:56:22 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed Jul 15 08:56:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? Message-ID: >------- Original Message ------- >From : Cheryl Holmes >I need to say I wasn't looking for something illegal. I was hoping there >was some sort of an inline thingy like an inline fliter. Maybe there will >be at a later time. ----------------------------------- Not enough information concerning the TV Channels effected and the adverse effects (audio and/or video) and the requency and power of the FM transmitter. If the FM is operating out of it's assigned frequency causing interference this is illegal and subjbect to FCC penalties. Probably a case of close proximity to the FM transmitting antenna, and the strong FM signal over-riding the desired OTA TV signal. Use of a highly directional TV antenna along with an in-line filter between the antenna and TV receiver could work depending actual RF signal parameters at her specific location. Lou From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 15 10:01:40 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:01:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5DEF54.5010900@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Do any of you know where my sister can get an FM blocker or how she make one > so she can use her HDTV's OTA? A Favorite quote of mine from one of the Star Trek movies is when Cap'n Kirk asked his ship's Chief Engineer, Scotty; "What did you do to that ship?" Whereupon Scotty replied: "The more complicated you make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop it up!" That said, lemme give you a 'fer'instance'... For grinz and giggles, in the apartment here in Houston, I have setup a 220MHz ham radio transceiver. The antenna is indoors as well. I also happen to have a hand-held transceiver (Handi-Talkie) that covers (among other bands) the 220MHz ham band. Last night, I was fooling around with the HT. On my Analog Television, with digital converter box and rabbit ears, that poor signal goes *poof* with 100mW (milli, 1/10th of 1 watt) from the HT. 100mW is a very small amount of RF energy, but because it is so close to the DTV channel we were watching, the RF signal I was generating over-rode the television signal. It didn't help either that both of the antennas were in the same room. Ham Radio operators have long know the effects of RF Interference. I am glad you asked this question, Cheryl. I was under the impression that the actual broadcast frequencies of DTV signals had moved from their analog counter parts. Not so... not quite. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *Are DTV signals broadcast on special frequencies?* No. DTV broadcasts use exactly the same channels as regular analog television. While many DTV stations are now occupying UHF broadcast channels, broadcasters are allowed to move back to their original VHF or UHF TV channel once the transition to DTV is complete. The only caveat is that TV channels 51 through 69 will be auctioned off for other uses at the end of the transition to digital TV. Stations who originally had analog channels in this band will have to move, no matter what. One potential problem with re-using low VHF (2-6) TV channels for DTV is the possibility of interference from other signals during certain times of the year. "Skip" may bring in distant broadcasts on the same channel and create interference. Impulse noise is also a problem on low VHF channels. What?s more, the physical size of low VHF and high VHF antennas is much larger than that of a UHF antenna. Tests so far seem to indicate that high VHF channels (7-13) are quite well suited for DTV broadcasts, and many broadcasters plan to move back to their high VHF channels at the end of the transition. VHF transmitters also cost much less money to operate than UHF transmitters. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ (source: http://www.avsforum.com/hdtvfaq/HDTV-FAQ.htm) So... that had me looking for the frequency list of broadcast channels. http://www.dbsinstall.com/Broadcast/vhf_uhf_freq_list.asp According to this list, Channels 7 through 13 are in the VHF Hi-band range, from 174MHz thru 216MHz (we're getting close to 223.5MHz, aren't we?). Because of my Ham Radio experience, I can tell you that there are some rather trashy pagers that operate in the 150~160MHz range. Noaa Weather Radio has a transmitter in San Antonio, on the NW side, near Bandera Rd on 162.55MHz. There are other services that use Radio Frequencies in that range below 174MHz. What you are looking for is not a 'blocker' (in effect, that's what it does, yes) but rather a filter. Specifically, in your friends case we need a high-pass filter. A High-pass filter can be designed to filter out frequencies -below- the bottom end of the digital tv band. So, a High-pass filter that takes everything and filters it out, below 170MHz would -help- but it's not going to block anything that operates close to the broadcast frequencies of your DTV system. Police, Fire and Ambulance, taxi-cab drivers, all kinds of commercial communications occur from 450MHz up to 470MHz. Then there's the Government and the Military which pretty much operate wherever they damn well please. That being said, according to the chart at http://www.dbsinstall.com/Broadcast/vhf_uhf_freq_list.asp, there are 6MHz gaps between Channels from Ch14 thru Ch69 and who knows who or what is operating 'between the channels'. (although I did read somewhere where Channels 52 thru 59 were to be re-allocated after the DTV conversion. This is the 700~750MHz band (range) of Frequencies.) > She doesn't want to spend the money for cable or satellite, which is the only way to get TV on these HDTV's currently. > > One of my friends who is the chief engineer at a local TV station told me about these problems and how that would be the only resolution for her problems. They have lost thousands of viewers because the DTV signals are being blocked by FM radio and other signals...he says the only way to get TV on them is to use a blocker, although this station is actively tring to do something abt this with the FCC. Could you be more specific with what station, where her location is, and what FM Station(s) she's hearing? You might ask yourself "why is he interested in all that, if he's in Houston?" Well.. it's because I lived in San Antonio for 49 and a half years. My dad was the chief broadcast engineer for KITE Radio (back when having an FCC First Class Phone actually *meant* something), he also worked at KONO, KBER, KUKA, KAPE and a few other stations, back in the '60's. I grew up in an RF environment, have been a licensed ham radio operator for 25 years now, and I *know* that town. Gimme some specifics. -Geoff From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 15 10:03:10 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:03:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> David Kowis wrote: > Geoff wrote: > > David Kowis wrote: > >> Be sure NOT to smash your passport with a hammer, it might disable the > >> RFID. (if you get one of the new ones that is.) > > uhm... and that would be a -bad- thing? > > > I don't think so, but I do believe it's illegal to do so. > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/start.html?pg=9 > "tampering with a passport is punishable by 25 years in prison." > > Of course, if it were to stop working for some reason, that's a > different story. RFID can be rather fragile. > Hmmm... I wonder how far I can bend it before there's a discoloration line in the plastic badge ;-) (at -least- till I hear the 'snap', right? *snicker*) From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 15 10:07:13 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:07:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> Cheryl, don't know how handy you are with a power drill and hammer but have you considered making one of these... http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_dtv_antenna_steadyca.html I made a variation of this antenna (no stand) and it works great. I get about 25 dttv channels (i only watch 5 or so though). given the cost and effort it may be worth a try. Todd From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 10:12:38 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:12:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM, redpill wrote: > Cheryl, > > don't know how handy you are with a power drill and hammer but have you > considered making one of these... > http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_dtv_antenna_steadyca.html > > I made a variation of this antenna (no stand) and it works great. I get > about 25 dttv channels (i only watch 5 or so though). ?given the cost > and effort it may be worth a try. Todd, I have made one of those, however I still cannot get KSAT, WOAI or KLRN. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From justin.burdette at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 10:16:08 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:16:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At my office, we pick up a channel in Houston intermittently with our DTV box, but we get absolutely no signal from KABB here. The worst part is, KABB always has something we want to watch on the graveyard shift! On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:12, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM, redpill wrote: >> Cheryl, >> >> don't know how handy you are with a power drill and hammer but have you >> considered making one of these... >> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_dtv_antenna_steadyca.html >> >> I made a variation of this antenna (no stand) and it works great. I get >> about 25 dttv channels (i only watch 5 or so though). ?given the cost >> and effort it may be worth a try. > > Todd, I have made one of those, however I still cannot get KSAT, WOAI or KLRN. > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 10:19:53 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:19:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907142202g6711b0f3md8a306a7aff479c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <7e4994a70907142202g6711b0f3md8a306a7aff479c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi Todd, > > I think someone may have mentioned them being illegal now, but wasn't sure. > > I do understand what you're saying and that would explain Scot's frustration > having thousands w/o being able to get any local channel signals. > > As he said, there is nothing anyone can do abt it, just as Radio Shack says > the same thing because of the FM interference. ?Scot is hoping to get more > power for KSAT which maybe would help. ?He's been < SNIP > Here is a link concerning FM traps that addresses this topic. I cannot say whether or not they have the technology right. http://www.kyes.com/antenna/interference/fm/fmfilter.html Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 15 10:29:06 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 15 10:29:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5DF5C2.4080500@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM, redpill wrote: > >> Cheryl, >> >> don't know how handy you are with a power drill and hammer but have you >> considered making one of these... >> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_dtv_antenna_steadyca.html >> >> I made a variation of this antenna (no stand) and it works great. I get >> about 25 dttv channels (i only watch 5 or so though). given the cost >> and effort it may be worth a try. >> > > Todd, I have made one of those, however I still cannot get KSAT, WOAI or KLRN. that's because you need to have the thing outside, and up in the air (where the signals are) not hiding behind the tv, inside the house, around other electronic equipment, where the signals can not get to. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 15 11:59:58 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (redpill) Date: Wed Jul 15 12:00:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> I found that I got better reception when I added a couple of cookie cooling grates on the reverse side of the antenna. That said I live less then 5 miles from ksat's antenna. Todd On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 10:12 -0500, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM, redpill wrote: > > Cheryl, > > > > don't know how handy you are with a power drill and hammer but have you > > considered making one of these... > > http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_dtv_antenna_steadyca.html > > > > I made a variation of this antenna (no stand) and it works great. I get > > about 25 dttv channels (i only watch 5 or so though). given the cost > > and effort it may be worth a try. > > Todd, I have made one of those, however I still cannot get KSAT, WOAI or KLRN. > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 12:14:02 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jul 15 12:14:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> <1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> Message-ID: <79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM, redpill wrote: > I found that I got better reception when I added a couple of cookie > cooling grates on the reverse side of the antenna. ?That said I live > less then 5 miles from ksat's antenna. I'm hoping I can get all of them when they go full power. If not, the antenna will have to go up in the attic. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From ftm at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 15 12:34:32 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Wed Jul 15 12:35:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop><79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com><1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> Just for information, woai is broadcasting on two channels, Kens is broadcasting on two channels, KSAT is broadcasting on three channels, KLRN is broadcasting on 4 channels, KABB and my35 are broadcasting on one channel each. Then there are the Spanish UHF channels as well. I don't watch them but they were there in my latest channel scan. My rabbit ear antenna is aimed between the KABB antenna and the KENS antenna south east of town. If I remember correctly, KSAT still broadcasts from downtown. Don't know if this helps anyone on the fringes though. I live approx 17 miles from downtown. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM, redpill wrote: > I found that I got better reception when I added a couple of cookie > cooling grates on the reverse side of the antenna. That said I live > less then 5 miles from ksat's antenna. I'm hoping I can get all of them when they go full power. If not, the antenna will have to go up in the attic. -- From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 13:15:38 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jul 15 13:15:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> <1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com> <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> Message-ID: <79ec289f0907151115g760c502dke2a4b4c35d1b78de@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Sugar wrote: > Just for information, woai is broadcasting on two channels, Kens is > broadcasting on two channels, KSAT is broadcasting on three channels, KLRN > is broadcasting on 4 channels, KABB and my35 are broadcasting on one channel > each. ?Then there are the Spanish UHF channels as well. ?I don't watch them > but they were there in my latest channel scan. That's odd because I get 3 channels for KENS, 1 normal channel and 2 weather radar channels. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From ftm at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 15 13:29:34 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Wed Jul 15 13:30:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0907151115g760c502dke2a4b4c35d1b78de@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop><79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com><1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop><79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com><8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> <79ec289f0907151115g760c502dke2a4b4c35d1b78de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <82572634D52D4D4C9385CB8C19177842@control> My bad, you are correct. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Re: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? That's odd because I get 3 channels for KENS, 1 normal channel and 2 weather radar channels. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 15:20:20 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:20:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <63057B349D404D02AC50C2BFF1973DE0@control> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <7e4994a70907142231vf338183r19adb713bbc0f358@mail.gmail.com> <63057B349D404D02AC50C2BFF1973DE0@control> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907151320u86d037cwe670a58f009c8d16@mail.gmail.com> I live in Cibolo and I also have a regular old analog TV. I have to use a converter box too p;us an atenna. My reception was awful if at all until Scot came out with a nice electrically amplified antenna that works great for the local channels. I still have to move it around a lot because signals seem to change a lot I'm assuming with interference. Renae has brand new Phillips HDTV with dual tuners...she received the analog signals just fine until they went digital. Then nothing. Scot said she would only be able to receive analog stations since ththere is too much FM interference. Scot told me channels 4 and 5 are not on full power yet. I need to call their engineers and see when that is going to happen. cheryl On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Sugar wrote: > From a technical standpoint, I believe it will take improvements in the >> > set-top boxes so that the signals will be isolated enough. > I live near Sea World, and can receive OTA channels quite well, in fact can > get better HD quality than I get over Time Warner on Channel 12. Channel 5 > is still working on their transmitters and the HD quality is not yet up to > snuff, but they promise completion is a few months. All > I am using is Set top rabbit ears purchased from Wal-Mart. When I first > installed the converter box, I was really surprised at how many local > channels are actually broadcasting, because Time Warner does not seem to be > carrying them all. I do periodically re-scan so as to double check signal > improvements. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Holmes" < > cherylholmes72@gmail.com> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? > > > I need to say I wasn't looking for something illegal. I was hoping there >> was some sort of an inline thingy like an inline fliter. Maybe there will >> be at a later time. >> >> I did read that the blockers themselves (not an inline thing like I was >> talking abt) was banned by Homeland Security and why. cheryl >> >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 15:22:37 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:22:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <82572634D52D4D4C9385CB8C19177842@control> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> <1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com> <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> <79ec289f0907151115g760c502dke2a4b4c35d1b78de@mail.gmail.com> <82572634D52D4D4C9385CB8C19177842@control> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907151322q2b98f64cte331fe8a3ab113dd@mail.gmail.com> I do too Jeremy with a converter box...but if I had HD TV...the newest stuff I wouldn't be able to receive anything...:o( c On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Sugar wrote: > My bad, you are correct. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? > > > > That's odd because I get 3 channels for KENS, 1 normal channel and 2 > weather radar channels. > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 15:26:53 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:26:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907151322q2b98f64cte331fe8a3ab113dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> <1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com> <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> <79ec289f0907151115g760c502dke2a4b4c35d1b78de@mail.gmail.com> <82572634D52D4D4C9385CB8C19177842@control> <7e4994a70907151322q2b98f64cte331fe8a3ab113dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0907151326k34d4482al10b9632eaae03b26@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I do too Jeremy with a converter box...but if I had HD TV...the newest stuff > I wouldn't be able to receive anything...:o( You know, now that this subject is up, I've noticed reception problems early in the mornings and most notably on weekends. Since I don't get KSAT, I watch KENS for my news (and Letterman). In the evenings its perfect, no blips or interruptions. Now in the mornings, I have to switch to KABB because KENS will not lock on. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 15:30:32 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:30:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907151330p18384a5fx43e7a7e12f34b82b@mail.gmail.com> Scot says KABB and KRRT are broadcasting in analog only. My sister gets both of those on her new analog/digital set but only those 2 channels. I only get channel 29 through my DTV converter box and not KRRT. I do receive the other locals to...c On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Justin Burdette wrote: > At my office, we pick up a channel in Houston intermittently with our > DTV box, but we get absolutely no signal from KABB here. The worst > part is, KABB always has something we want to watch on the graveyard > shift! > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:12, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM, redpill > wrote: > >> Cheryl, > >> > >> don't know how handy you are with a power drill and hammer but have you > >> considered making one of these... > >> > http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/01/maker_workshop_dtv_antenna_steadyca.html > >> > >> I made a variation of this antenna (no stand) and it works great. I get > >> about 25 dttv channels (i only watch 5 or so though). given the cost > >> and effort it may be worth a try. > > > > Todd, I have made one of those, however I still cannot get KSAT, WOAI or > KLRN. > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeremy Mann > > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > > > University of Texas Health Science Center > > Bioinformatics Core Facility > > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 15:34:02 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:34:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com> <1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com> <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907151334u4a052bb0mb8f7a039c8ebc41e@mail.gmail.com> what part of town do you live in Jeremy? Just curious...I think they have LOTS of bugs to work out on this digital stuff...c On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Sugar wrote: > Just for information, woai is broadcasting on two channels, Kens is > broadcasting on two channels, KSAT is broadcasting on three channels, KLRN > is broadcasting on 4 channels, KABB and my35 are broadcasting on one channel > each. Then there are the Spanish UHF channels as well. I don't watch them > but they were there in my latest channel scan. > > My rabbit ear antenna is aimed between the KABB antenna and the KENS > antenna south east of town. If I remember correctly, KSAT still broadcasts > from downtown. Don't know if this helps anyone on the fringes though. > > I live approx 17 miles from downtown. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM, redpill wrote: > >> I found that I got better reception when I added a couple of cookie >> cooling grates on the reverse side of the antenna. That said I live >> less then 5 miles from ksat's antenna. >> > > I'm hoping I can get all of them when they go full power. If not, the > antenna will have to go up in the attic. > > > > -- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 15:47:15 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:47:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> wonder if *accidental* exposure to a pwerful magnetic field would affect an RFID? c On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Geoff wrote: > David Kowis wrote: > > Geoff wrote: > > > David Kowis wrote: > > >> Be sure NOT to smash your passport with a hammer, it might disable the > > >> RFID. (if you get one of the new ones that is.) > > > uhm... and that would be a -bad- thing? > > > > > > I don't think so, but I do believe it's illegal to do so. > > > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/start.html?pg=9 > > "tampering with a passport is punishable by 25 years in prison." > > > > Of course, if it were to stop working for some reason, that's a > > different story. RFID can be rather fragile. > > > > Hmmm... I wonder how far I can bend it before there's a discoloration > line in the plastic badge ;-) > (at -least- till I hear the 'snap', right? *snicker*) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Jul 15 15:51:53 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:51:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5E4169.1020700@shub-internet.org> on 7/15/09 3:47 PM, Cheryl Holmes said: > wonder if *accidental* exposure to a pwerful magnetic field would affect an > RFID? c No, but accidental exposure to high-power microwave energy would have a negative effect. Be careful any time you go into a building where they have those "Warning: Microwave ovens in use" types of signs. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 15:58:46 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Jul 15 15:59:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5E4169.1020700@shub-internet.org> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> <4A5E4169.1020700@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <7e4994a70907151358p6af4c31at3b0770dda5d7c683@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Brad. I was curious since I have seen where dog theft rings"erase" chips in dogs using a powerful magnet. c On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/15/09 3:47 PM, Cheryl Holmes said: > > wonder if *accidental* exposure to a pwerful magnetic field would affect >> an >> RFID? c >> > > No, but accidental exposure to high-power microwave energy would have a > negative effect. Be careful any time you go into a building where they have > those "Warning: Microwave ovens in use" types of signs. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 16:04:59 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Jul 15 16:05:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5E4169.1020700@shub-internet.org> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> <4A5E4169.1020700@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A5E447B.8020305@gmail.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/15/09 3:47 PM, Cheryl Holmes said: > >> wonder if *accidental* exposure to a pwerful magnetic field would >> affect an >> RFID? c > > No, but accidental exposure to high-power microwave energy would have > a negative effect. Be careful any time you go into a building where > they have those "Warning: Microwave ovens in use" types of signs. > Hm... and...just how many seconds in the microwave are we talking? ;) From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Jul 15 16:26:50 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Jul 15 16:26:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5E447B.8020305@gmail.com> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> <4A5E4169.1020700@shub-internet.org> <4A5E447B.8020305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5E499A.8010204@shub-internet.org> on 7/15/09 4:04 PM, ed said: > Hm... and...just how many seconds in the microwave are we talking? ;) Dunno. Of course, when you overheat electronics like that, they tend to make obvious burning marks on everything around them. This is a good thing, since it lets you know right away that the ID is damaged and that you need to get a replacement. Excessive physical shocks tend to make it more difficult to tell that the electronics inside are damaged, which means you want to avoid things like that since you want to know if there has ever been any accidental damage done. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Jul 15 19:21:24 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Jul 15 19:21:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <4A5E499A.8010204@shub-internet.org> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5BCA06.8090401@shlrm.org> <4A5BE0A4.9090502@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A5BEFB2.7080106@shlrm.org> <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> <4A5E4169.1020700@shub-internet.org> <4A5E447B.8020305@gmail.com> <4A5E499A.8010204@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A5E7284.2000602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Brad Knowles wrote: > > Excessive physical shocks tend to make it more difficult to tell that > the electronics inside are damaged, which means you want to avoid > things like that since you want to know if there has ever been any > accidental damage done. Perhaps that might the case were I on the side of checking the RFID tags. If I'm possession of RFID tags (especially without my prior knowledge) I'm not going to be nearly as picky as to whether or not the damn thing is working. From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 15 22:55:02 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Jul 15 22:54:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> References: <1247670433.29580.3.camel@redpill-laptop><79ec289f0907150812q6d076a27vce6e899e089348d9@mail.gmail.com><1247677198.29580.6.camel@redpill-laptop> <79ec289f0907151014v2056815dp71d96bcced72b7db@mail.gmail.com> <8DFA472FDC0B48139873513B3FA77F8F@control> Message-ID: <4A5EA496.6070400@satx.rr.com> Sugar wrote: > Just for information, woai is broadcasting on two channels, Kens is > broadcasting on two channels, KSAT is broadcasting on three channels, > KLRN is broadcasting on 4 channels, KABB and my35 are broadcasting on > one channel each. Then there are the Spanish UHF channels as well. I > don't watch them but they were there in my latest channel scan. > > My rabbit ear antenna is aimed between the KABB antenna and the KENS > antenna south east of town. If I remember correctly, KSAT still > broadcasts from downtown. Don't know if this helps anyone on the > fringes though. > > I live approx 17 miles from downtown. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Mann" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM, redpill wrote: >> I found that I got better reception when I added a couple of cookie >> cooling grates on the reverse side of the antenna. That said I live >> less then 5 miles from ksat's antenna. > I'm hoping I can get all of them when they go full power. If not, the > antenna will have to go up in the attic. One of the things I've read is that DTV transmissions are much more "line of sight" than the old analog signals. So if you don't have a clear shot to the antennas, your signal can be weak or non-existent. Where I'm located (north-central, near Blanco & Bitters), there are too many buildings and a couple of hills in the way. I've been told this general area is not very good for over-the-air reception by many people. Al Lesmerises From erichaugen at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 14:22:06 2009 From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen) Date: Thu Jul 16 14:22:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Bind Help Message-ID: <674b98ac0907161222h6493710ey1bf0c46d6120f9dd@mail.gmail.com> I set up my first DNS (Bind9 on ubuntu 9.04) server yesterday and it seems to be be working fine but I am curious where it is storing the DNS tables at. I have found that I can run "rndc dumpdb -cache" and it will drop a file called named_dump.db into /var/cache/bind/ and I can look at them with a text editor there but is can a view or edit them live? TIA, Eric From satlug at net153.net Thu Jul 16 16:52:28 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Jul 16 16:52:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Bind Help In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0907161222h6493710ey1bf0c46d6120f9dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0907161222h6493710ey1bf0c46d6120f9dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5FA11C.5010105@net153.net> Eric Haugen wrote: > I set up my first DNS (Bind9 on ubuntu 9.04) server yesterday and it seems > to be be working fine but I am curious where it is storing the DNS tables > at. I have found that I can run "rndc dumpdb -cache" and it will drop a > file called named_dump.db into /var/cache/bind/ and I can look at them with > a text editor there but is can a view or edit them live? > > TIA, > Eric To my knowledge I think the cache stays in memory. Sam From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Jul 16 23:45:50 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Jul 16 23:45:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Bind Help In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0907161222h6493710ey1bf0c46d6120f9dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0907161222h6493710ey1bf0c46d6120f9dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6001FE.5020700@shub-internet.org> on 7/16/09 2:22 PM, Eric Haugen said: > I set up my first DNS (Bind9 on ubuntu 9.04) server yesterday and it seems > to be be working fine but I am curious where it is storing the DNS tables > at. I have found that I can run "rndc dumpdb -cache" and it will drop a > file called named_dump.db into /var/cache/bind/ and I can look at them with > a text editor there but is can a view or edit them live? Unless you're running in authoritative mode, they're kept only in memory. This is not something you can edit live. If you are running in authoritative mode, then for the zones that you serve authoritatively, they are loaded from disk into memory, where they are used to actually serve data. Again, you can't edit these live -- you can edit the text files and make BIND reload the zones, but that's not editing the data live. If you've got any other questions on BIND, let me know. I've been mucking about with it since the early 90s, and I'll be glad to share whatever experience I can. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jul 16 23:52:08 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Jul 16 23:52:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907142231vf338183r19adb713bbc0f358@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <7e4994a70907142231vf338183r19adb713bbc0f358@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907162352.09621.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> [HDTV Technical Inner Workings] We just had a really great in depth talk on HD technology (down to the carrier side bands, encoding, distances & powers involved) at XCSSA last month by Bruce Tomlin. :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Jul 16 23:53:03 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Jul 16 23:53:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: (maybe...) Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears - Yahoo! News In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A591353.9010509@gmail.com> <4A5DEFAE.2060802@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70907151347u280373e4h4e2d7fd1a1f477e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907162353.04209.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 15 July 2009 03:47:15 pm Cheryl Holmes wrote: > wonder if *accidental* exposure to a pwerful magnetic field would affect an > RFID? c Strong EMP, possibly.. Microwave burst.. better. Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jul 17 00:04:59 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 17 00:05:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Bind Help In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0907161222h6493710ey1bf0c46d6120f9dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <674b98ac0907161222h6493710ey1bf0c46d6120f9dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907170005.00189.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 16 July 2009 02:22:06 pm Eric Haugen wrote: > I set up my first DNS (Bind9 on ubuntu 9.04) server yesterday and it seems > to be be working fine but I am curious where it is storing the DNS tables > at. If you're talking about the actual zone files you're serving authoritative domains from.. they will either be in /var/named and the config file in /etc/named/named.conf (if NOT running in chroot'd mode), or if in chroot'd mode (last I checked on Fedora anyway) they end up being in /var/named/chroot/var/named/ (for the zone files) and /var/named/chroot/etc/named/ (for the config file). However.. once these are loaded into RAM, you have to do changes and do a "service named reload" or "restart" to adopt said changes. On Ubuntu.. I also see some people run the named chroot in /chroot (original). ;) And as the others say.. the cache runs completely out of RAM. More info on running bind on Ubuntu is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto Let us know if you have any other Qs. Tweeks From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 10:38:10 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Fri Jul 17 10:38:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: austin360.com Message-ID: <847185.52340.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> does anyone know anyone working here?? it looks like their web subscription form is being abused by spammers. a name+email would do it, thanks, esv. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jul 17 17:43:01 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jul 17 17:43:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: austin360.com In-Reply-To: <847185.52340.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <847185.52340.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A60FE75.7050708@shub-internet.org> on 7/17/09 10:38 AM, Enrique Sanchez Vela said: > does anyone know anyone working here?? it looks like their web > subscription form is being abused by spammers. > > a name+email would do it, Saw this on another list I'm on, where they were complaining about the same thing: | Looks like it's a Cox newspaper now. | | mcox@coxnews.com -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From justin.burdette at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 19:18:32 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Fri Jul 17 19:18:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: VMware Message-ID: Would anyone happen to have the capability to make VMware images? I'm needing a Windows 2000 one if at all possible, and can provide the source media. Trying to work on something for a customer who doesn't want to try Linux. Contact me off-list if you can help. Thanks, Justin From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 11:17:35 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Sat Jul 18 11:17:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: <200907162352.09621.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> <1247633053.7498.8.camel@redpill-laptop> <7e4994a70907142231vf338183r19adb713bbc0f358@mail.gmail.com> <200907162352.09621.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: what in store for this month at XCSSA meeting? Reggie On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Tweeks wrote: > [HDTV Technical Inner Workings] > We just had a really great in depth talk on HD technology (down to the > carrier > side bands, encoding, distances & powers involved) at XCSSA last month by > Bruce Tomlin. :) > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 12:33:01 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Sat Jul 18 12:33:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise Message-ID: Here is my situation history I am trying to develop more hands on Linux/Unix expertise. I used to be a Solaris/ AIX Power User ( I refrain from using the term system administrator too loosely :) ) Since 2002 I did not have access to these (Power PC and SPARC machines) commercial unixes. So there was a big gap between my last hands on experience which made it difficult to show credibility. In 2007 I got hooked on Fedora and DSL ( Damn Small Linux) and wanted to become a linux engineer. So at first I tried to relate my old commericial unix experience to linux which was a huge mistake. Then I decided to wipe the slate clean and start fresh. I spent most of last year trying to build my experience on CentOS, Puppy, Open Suse and Ubuntu Linux to prepare for certification as a Linux Engineer. I was hooked on Open Solaris, and MAC OS X as well but didnt spend as much time on these other unix systems as linux. So here is my question: By volunteering on open source projects could I build expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? Or better yet getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I did want to support in a hands on way. Please advise. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Jul 18 12:55:15 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Jul 18 12:55:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A620C83.3000403@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Kevin Buckner wrote: > So here is my question: By volunteering on open source projects could I build expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? Or better yet getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I did want to support in a hands on way. Please advise. > I don't have experience in the field, but am told that the best way to learn the most about Linux, is to build your own, from scratch. The Linux From Scratch project (LFS) would probably be your best learning bet. -Geoff From riugakusei at aim.com Sat Jul 18 13:08:30 2009 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Sat Jul 18 13:08:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] kismet FC 11 Selinux Message-ID: <8CBD5E9E3CD2546-1424-5C1D@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> hi i am trying to run kismet on m y laptop i amrunning FC 11 everything is supported so far. i am having trouble with kismet and selinux. Selinux keeps preventing me from running kismet. and i am not well fmailiar with selinux.. any help is gladly appreciate it. this is my output [root@mimor ~]# !ki kismet Launching kismet_server: /usr/bin/kismet_server Will drop privs to vega (500) gid 500 No specific sources given to be enabled, all will be enabled. Non-RFMon VAPs will be destroyed on multi-vap interfaces (ie, madwifi-ng) Enabling channel hopping. Enabling channel splitting. NOTICE: Disabling channel hopping, no enabled sources are able to change channel. Source 0 (eth1): Enabling monitor mode for madwifi_ag source interface wlan0 channel 6... ERROR: Unable to create VAP: Operation not supported debug - open failed: /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/ Permission denied ERROR: Unable to create monitor-mode VAP WARNING: wlan0 appears to not accept the Madwifi-NG controls. Will attempt to configure it as a standard Madwifi-old interface. If you are using madwifi-ng, be sure to set the source interface to the wifiX control interface, NOT athX debug - open failed: /proc/sys/net/ Permission denied FATAL: Failed to retrieve list of private ioctls 95:Operation not supported Done. and my source = madwifi_ag, wlan0, eth1 my wireless card : vega@mimor Desktop]$ lspci -vvv|grep Atheros 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 17:40:16 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Jul 18 17:40:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: VMware Message-ID: <16823.32693.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> since piracy isnt an issue in this post.. why dont you download a Win 2k ISO image and create one? VMWare is available as a torrent also. --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Justin Burdette wrote: > From: Justin Burdette > Subject: [SATLUG] OT: VMware > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:18 PM > Would anyone happen to have the > capability to make VMware images? I'm > needing a Windows 2000 one if at all possible, and can > provide the > source media. Trying to work on something for a customer > who doesn't > want to try Linux. > > Contact me off-list if you can help. > > Thanks, > > Justin > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 17:43:17 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Jul 18 17:43:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise Message-ID: <765224.91207.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I learned the most by setting up a webserver out of necessity at my house. Since I would get the most help with replies like RTFM I learned it on my own because of my webserver. --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Kevin Buckner wrote: > From: Kevin Buckner > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 12:33 PM > Here is my situation history > > ???I am trying to develop more hands on > Linux/Unix expertise. I used to be a > Solaris/ AIX > Power User ( I refrain from using the term system > administrator too loosely > :) ) Since 2002 I did not > have access to these (Power PC and SPARC machines) > commercial unixes. So > there was > a big gap between my last hands on experience which made it > difficult to > show credibility. In 2007 > I got hooked on Fedora and DSL ( Damn Small Linux) and > wanted to become a > linux engineer. So > at first I tried to relate my old commericial unix? > experience to linux > which was a huge mistake. Then I decided > to wipe the slate clean and start fresh. > > I spent most of last year trying to build my experience on > CentOS, Puppy, > Open Suse and Ubuntu Linux to prepare for > certification as a Linux Engineer.? I was hooked on > Open Solaris, and MAC OS > X as well but didnt spend as much time > on these other unix systems as linux. So here is my > question: By > volunteering on open source projects could I build > expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? > Or better yet > getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I > did want? to support in a hands on way. Please > advise. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 17:44:19 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Jul 18 17:44:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: VMware Message-ID: <523882.86893.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> crap. my bad, I didnt see the "source media available" part. my apologies.. --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Alex Bartonek wrote: > From: Alex Bartonek > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: VMware > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 5:40 PM > > since piracy isnt an issue in this post.. why dont you > download a Win 2k ISO image and create one?? VMWare is > available as a torrent also. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Justin Burdette > wrote: > > > From: Justin Burdette > > Subject: [SATLUG] OT: VMware > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:18 PM > > Would anyone happen to have the > > capability to make VMware images? I'm > > needing a Windows 2000 one if at all possible, and > can > > provide the > > source media. Trying to work on something for a > customer > > who doesn't > > want to try Linux. > > > > Contact me off-list if you can help. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Justin > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > ? ? ? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Jul 18 17:57:43 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Jul 18 18:01:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> on 7/18/09 12:33 PM, Kevin Buckner said: > I spent most of last year trying to build my experience on CentOS, > Puppy, Open Suse and Ubuntu Linux to prepare for certification as a > Linux Engineer. I was hooked on Open Solaris, and MAC OS X as well > but didnt spend as much time on these other unix systems as linux. So > here is my question: By volunteering on open source projects could I > build expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? Or > better yet getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I did > want to support in a hands on way. Please advise. Do you want the certification, or the real-world experience? IMO, the only Linux certification that's really worth anything are the ones from Red Hat, so if that's what you want then make sure you focus on that -- get the study books, sign up for the classes, etc.... Basically, prepare for the test the same way you'd prepare for any other major test in college like the LSAT, GRE, etc... or elsewhere in life like the Bar Exam, and so on. If you want the experience and you'd be happy to get some certifications along the way, then helping out with open-source projects and setting up a lab at home for experimentation would be a good way to get started, and then take a look at all the Linux certifications you can find and see which ones look interesting to you. Decide what it is that you really want, then make a plan to change your life (as necessary) and achieve those goals. Every time there is a fork in the road, go back and re-visit your goals and your plan, and see if that fork really does fit in with what you want. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 18:52:00 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jul 18 18:52:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > IMO, the only Linux certification that's really worth anything are the > ones from Red Hat, I don't like any vendor specific certifications. I think the LPI (Linux Professional Institute) certifications are OK, but I do admit that they are not as rigorous or as well known as RH. In the long run, any certification, RHCE, MSCE, BS, MS, PhD, LLD, CPA, MD, etc are only valuable to someone doing some hiring. If they don't have the ability to really evaluate your skills (and many don't), then they rely on these certifications as poor substitutes. Once you have the job, the certifications mean nothing. Being able to do the job is very important, but more people get fired over interpersonal skills than for lack of technical skills. Have you ever known anyone that has a large number of certifications and doesn't really know squat? I certainly have. -- Bruce From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 19:23:52 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jul 18 19:23:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Printer problems Message-ID: <4A626798.4050804@gmail.com> I have an HP Business Inkjet that has stopped working. This evening we had a thunderstorm close by and had a lot of power fluctuations. The UPSs were beeping regularly. Unfortunately, I did not have my printer plugged into the UPS. Now I can't get it to work. :) When I plug in the usb cable, I get in dmesg: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x067B pid 0x2305 drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: error -32 reading printer status The printer indicates that it is 'Ready'. Does this sound like the electronics have been hosed? If so, does it sound like something that can be fixed? I'd hate to scrap the printer. It cost about $650 in 2005 or so dollars. -- Bruce From mkr777 at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 19:46:10 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Sat Jul 18 19:46:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Printer problems In-Reply-To: <4A626798.4050804@gmail.com> References: <4A626798.4050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you do a test print on the printer from the printer console? If it works then the printer is usually ok. I will test it with another computer. MKR On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I have an HP Business Inkjet that has stopped working. This evening we had > a thunderstorm close by and had a lot of power fluctuations. The UPSs were > beeping regularly. Unfortunately, I did not have my printer plugged into > the UPS. Now I can't get it to work. :) > > When I plug in the usb cable, I get in dmesg: > > usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 > usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice > drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 0 alt > 1 proto 2 vid 0x067B pid 0x2305 > > drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: error -32 reading printer status > > The printer indicates that it is 'Ready'. > > Does this sound like the electronics have been hosed? If so, does it sound > like something that can be fixed? I'd hate to scrap the printer. It cost > about $650 in 2005 or so dollars. > > -- Bruce > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 20:12:35 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jul 18 20:12:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Printer problems In-Reply-To: References: <4A626798.4050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A627303.6090007@gmail.com> MKR wrote: > Can you do a test print on the printer from the printer console? Excellent idea. Yes, it prints fine. > If it works > then the printer is usually ok. I will test it with another computer. Thanks. I'll try that. If that works, it sounds like the usb port on the computer has been affected, but the usb mouse and keybord on that computer seems fine. Curious. -- Bruce From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Jul 18 20:18:00 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Jul 18 20:18:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] kismet FC 11 Selinux In-Reply-To: <8CBD5E9E3CD2546-1424-5C1D@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBD5E9E3CD2546-1424-5C1D@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A627448.2080907@grandecom.net> riugakusei@aim.com wrote: > hi i am trying to run kismet on m y laptop i amrunning FC 11 > everything is supported so far. i am having trouble with kismet and > selinux. Selinux keeps preventing me from running kismet. and i am > not well fmailiar with selinux.. any help is gladly appreciate it. > > this is my output > [root@mimor ~]# !ki > kismet > Launching kismet_server: /usr/bin/kismet_server > Will drop privs to vega (500) gid 500 > No specific sources given to be enabled, all will be enabled. > Non-RFMon VAPs will be destroyed on multi-vap interfaces (ie, madwifi-ng) > Enabling channel hopping. > Enabling channel splitting. > NOTICE: Disabling channel hopping, no enabled sources are able to > change channel. > Source 0 (eth1): Enabling monitor mode for madwifi_ag source interface > wlan0 channel 6... > ERROR: Unable to create VAP: Operation not supported > debug - open failed: /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/ Permission denied > ERROR: Unable to create monitor-mode VAP > WARNING: wlan0 appears to not accept the Madwifi-NG controls. Will > attempt to configure it as a standard Madwifi-old interface. If you > are using madwifi-ng, be sure to set the source interface to the wifiX > control interface, NOT athX > debug - open failed: /proc/sys/net/ Permission denied > FATAL: Failed to retrieve list of private ioctls 95:Operation not > supported > Done. > and my source = madwifi_ag, wlan0, eth1 > > my wireless card : vega@mimor Desktop]$ lspci -vvv|grep Atheros > 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x > 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) > > I dont know much about FC11 and I know even less about selinux other then its a security standard developed by the NSA. That said, my experience with kismet would suggest to check your permissions. Kismet needs to put your wifi card in monitor mode in able to work properly. This usually requires root access. Have you tried running kismet in root? If you need something to run kismet for pen-testing or diagnostic purposes consider using backtrack3 or nubuntu. Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 20:45:37 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Jul 18 20:45:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A627AC1.3080008@gmail.com> Kevin; I can't speak to your whole question, but, if you'd like to pursue a CompTIA Linux+ certification, I'd be more than happy to study/practice with you as I pursue my own... Cheers; Ed ============= Kevin Buckner wrote: > Here is my situation history > > I am trying to develop more hands on Linux/Unix expertise. I used to be a > Solaris/ AIX > Power User ( I refrain from using the term system administrator too loosely > :) ) Since 2002 I did not > have access to these (Power PC and SPARC machines) commercial unixes. So > there was > a big gap between my last hands on experience which made it difficult to > show credibility. In 2007 > I got hooked on Fedora and DSL ( Damn Small Linux) and wanted to become a > linux engineer. So > at first I tried to relate my old commericial unix experience to linux > which was a huge mistake. Then I decided > to wipe the slate clean and start fresh. > > I spent most of last year trying to build my experience on CentOS, Puppy, > Open Suse and Ubuntu Linux to prepare for > certification as a Linux Engineer. I was hooked on Open Solaris, and MAC OS > X as well but didnt spend as much time > on these other unix systems as linux. So here is my question: By > volunteering on open source projects could I build > expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? Or better yet > getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I > did want to support in a hands on way. Please advise. > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 20:54:43 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Jul 18 20:54:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: > > Have you ever known anyone that has a large number of certifications > and doesn't really know squat? I certainly have. > > -- Bruce In my world, we call these "paper technicians." They may know how to browse a book and pass a test, but choke when the interviewer as them to describe or demonstrate a memory upgrade... :P Cheers; Ed From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 21:05:09 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Jul 18 21:05:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Printer problems In-Reply-To: <4A627303.6090007@gmail.com> References: <4A626798.4050804@gmail.com> <4A627303.6090007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907182105.09829.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Saturday 18 July 2009 20:12:35 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > MKR wrote: > > Can you do a test print on the printer from the printer console? > > Excellent idea. Yes, it prints fine. > > > If it works > > then the printer is usually ok. I will test it with another computer. > > Thanks. I'll try that. If that works, it sounds like the usb port on the > computer has been affected, but the usb mouse and keybord on that computer seems > fine. > > Curious. > > -- Bruce > You may want to try: /etc/init.d/cups restart ...just to be sure. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 21:36:38 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Jul 18 21:36:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise Message-ID: <348010.80286.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I have to get Linux certified by the end of 12/2009. I'm studying LPIC books for Comptia Linux. I dont know if I want to take LPIC or CompTIA just yet. -Alex --- On Sat, 7/18/09, ed wrote: > From: ed > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 8:45 PM > Kevin;? I can't speak to your > whole question, but, if you'd like to pursue a CompTIA > Linux+ certification, I'd be more than happy to > study/practice with you as I pursue my own... > > Cheers; > Ed From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 23:15:22 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jul 18 23:15:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Printer problems In-Reply-To: <200907182105.09829.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <4A626798.4050804@gmail.com> <4A627303.6090007@gmail.com> <200907182105.09829.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A629DDA.3020305@gmail.com> John D Choate wrote: > On Saturday 18 July 2009 20:12:35 Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> MKR wrote: >>> Can you do a test print on the printer from the printer console? >> Excellent idea. Yes, it prints fine. >> >>> If it works >>> then the printer is usually ok. I will test it with another computer. >> Thanks. I'll try that. If that works, it sounds like the usb port on the >> computer has been affected, but the usb mouse and keybord on that computer seems >> fine. > You may want to try: > /etc/init.d/cups restart Yes I did that. I also upgraded cups on my other computer. There may be another factor. I changed from parallel to usb using a special cable that does the conversion. I think there is some active logic in there and that may have been affected by the electrical issues. I'll need to find a computer with a parallel port to try that out. I'll try my laptop. -- Bruce From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sat Jul 18 23:23:24 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sat Jul 18 23:23:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] File system corruption Message-ID: <4A629FBC.4060800@satx.rr.com> A couple of weeks ago, I got an error message (from within KDE) saying the authentication system failed. I tried to log onto my system via the CLI and got some I/O errors. When I posted this issue to the group, Jeremy said it looked like the file system was corrupted and that I should use fsck to fix it. It worked that time (BTW, thanks Jeremy), but now it seems to have happened again, and the problem is much worse now. First, to recap, my system has 2 identical Seagate 400GB SATA drives configured as RAID 0, and I'm running OpenSUSE 11.1 x64. I have 4 partitions on each (Boot, Root, Swap, & user data files). The first time around, fsck reported errors only on one partition, SDA7 (the Root partition of the first drive). The errors mainly consisted of "Inode xxxx has illegal block(s)", etc. I used fsck to fix the errors, rebooted and repaired the OS files and I was back in business. But after just a few days, my system crapped-out again, this time errors were reported on both the Root & data partitions of both drives. The errors included "Illegal Blocks", "Multiply-claimed block(s) in inode xxxx" and dates being "in the future" (many of each kind of error on each partition). So here are the questions I hope you can help me with: 1. What's going on with these errors? What do those error messages mean? 2. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing these errors? 3. I've put extra cooling fans on the hard drives themselves, but I don't think that is really the problem. It's extremely unlikely that both drives would be failing simultaneously, so could the motherboard be to blame? TIA. Al Lesmerises From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 23:31:53 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Jul 18 23:31:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Printer problems In-Reply-To: <4A629DDA.3020305@gmail.com> References: <4A626798.4050804@gmail.com> <4A627303.6090007@gmail.com> <200907182105.09829.jdchoate@gmail.com> <4A629DDA.3020305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A62A1B9.1000203@gmail.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I changed from parallel to usb using a > special cable that does the conversion. I think there is some active > logic in there and that may have been affected by the electrical issues. > > I'll need to find a computer with a parallel port to try that out. I'll > try my laptop. Well the printer works via the parallel port on a Windows box, but not using the USB cable. It looks like I need a new cable. -- Bruce From masterr at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 08:15:18 2009 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Sun Jul 19 08:15:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Low profile S/PDIF / Toslink / Coaxial bracket. Message-ID: <14842c410907190615v1cfb42dalf68eb298ea1f0c60@mail.gmail.com> I haven't posted here in quite a while so first of all I want to say Hello to everyone again! And now I have a question: A while back I built a HTPC with HDMI running Ubuntu. Everything works great except that audio over HDMI has a second or two of silence at the beginning of playback for all files and in all media players. I suspect it is related to the time it takes for the HDCP handshake, but am not certain. After much fiddling I have given up (I may revisit the problem later) and have decided to fall back to S/PDIF audio for now. The problem I have now is that the PC case I used for the system is low profile (short), and for the life of me I can not file a low-profile bracket/mount for the S/PDIF connector. I have several that are the full height but not a single low profile bracket and I can not find a low-profile version being sold anywhere online. I am starting to think no one makes it in low-profile. Does anyone here happen to know where I can buy one? The only requirements are this: 1) Low profile 2) Has Toslink optical and Coaxial digital S/PDIF connectors. The pin-out is not too important since I can easily change it, but it will be plugged into the 4 (or 7/8) pin header on ASUS brand motherboards. Here is an example of a full size version: http://cgi.ebay.com/Gigabyte-Motherboard-12CR1-1SPOUT-02R-SPDIF-Out-cable_W0QQitemZ260418060759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca22041d7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A2123|293%3A1|294%3A50 I simply need one like that that is shorter for the low-profile cases. If anyone knows where I can acquire one please let me know, I would much appreciate it. I fear that if I can't find one I may have to rig it up in some way with a different low-profile bracket or cutting down a full size bracket. Thanks, everyone! -Jon From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jul 19 08:46:15 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jul 19 08:46:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] File system corruption In-Reply-To: <4A629FBC.4060800@satx.rr.com> References: <4A629FBC.4060800@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A6323A7.1070507@grandecom.net> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > A couple of weeks ago, I got an error message (from within KDE) saying > the authentication system failed. I tried to log onto my system via > the CLI and got some I/O errors. When I posted this issue to the > group, Jeremy said it looked like the file system was corrupted and > that I should use fsck to fix it. It worked that time (BTW, thanks > Jeremy), but now it seems to have happened again, and the problem is > much worse now. > > First, to recap, my system has 2 identical Seagate 400GB SATA drives > configured as RAID 0, and I'm running OpenSUSE 11.1 x64. I have 4 > partitions on each (Boot, Root, Swap, & user data files). > > The first time around, fsck reported errors only on one partition, > SDA7 (the Root partition of the first drive). The errors mainly > consisted of "Inode xxxx has illegal block(s)", etc. I used fsck to > fix the errors, rebooted and repaired the OS files and I was back in > business. But after just a few days, my system crapped-out again, > this time errors were reported on both the Root & data partitions of > both drives. The errors included "Illegal Blocks", "Multiply-claimed > block(s) in inode xxxx" and dates being "in the future" (many of each > kind of error on each partition). > > So here are the questions I hope you can help me with: > > 1. What's going on with these errors? What do those error messages mean? > > 2. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing these errors? > > 3. I've put extra cooling fans on the hard drives themselves, but I > don't think that is really the problem. It's extremely unlikely that > both drives would be failing simultaneously, so could the motherboard > be to blame? > > TIA. > > Al Lesmerises > If you are using a raid0 it would only take one drive to begin to fail to give you problems. I usually only run raid0 on my wintendo where performance in my games is desired but where the loss of my data due to a drive failure is no big deal. Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jul 19 08:53:55 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jul 19 08:53:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Low profile S/PDIF / Toslink / Coaxial bracket. In-Reply-To: <14842c410907190615v1cfb42dalf68eb298ea1f0c60@mail.gmail.com> References: <14842c410907190615v1cfb42dalf68eb298ea1f0c60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A632573.2000605@grandecom.net> Jonathan Hull wrote: > I haven't posted here in quite a while so first of all I want to say > Hello to everyone again! > > And now I have a question: A while back I built a HTPC with HDMI > running Ubuntu. Everything works great except that audio over HDMI has > a second or two of silence at the beginning of playback for all files > and in all media players. I suspect it is related to the time it takes > for the HDCP handshake, but am not certain. After much fiddling I have > given up (I may revisit the problem later) and have decided to fall > back to S/PDIF audio for now. > > The problem I have now is that the PC case I used for the system is > low profile (short), and for the life of me I can not file a > low-profile bracket/mount for the S/PDIF connector. I have several > that are the full height but not a single low profile bracket and I > can not find a low-profile version being sold anywhere online. I am > starting to think no one makes it in low-profile. Does anyone here > happen to know where I can buy one? > > The only requirements are this: > > 1) Low profile > 2) Has Toslink optical and Coaxial digital S/PDIF connectors. > > The pin-out is not too important since I can easily change it, but it > will be plugged into the 4 (or 7/8) pin header on ASUS brand > motherboards. > > Here is an example of a full size version: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Gigabyte-Motherboard-12CR1-1SPOUT-02R-SPDIF-Out-cable_W0QQitemZ260418060759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca22041d7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A2123|293%3A1|294%3A50 > > I simply need one like that that is shorter for the low-profile cases. > > If anyone knows where I can acquire one please let me know, I would > much appreciate it. I fear that if I can't find one I may have to rig > it up in some way with a different low-profile bracket or cutting down > a full size bracket. > > Thanks, everyone! > > -Jon > I just pick up a low profile soundcard (off-brand) from Altex on I-35 a few weeks ago, which had sp/pdif coaxial and optical. give them a try. It seems to be working fine with my LinuxMCE box. Todd From hharadon at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 11:26:39 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Sun Jul 19 11:26:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Red Hat joins the S*P 500 Message-ID: Hello to all, in case you missed it. http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1612209.html HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 19 11:52:12 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Jul 19 11:52:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] File system corruption In-Reply-To: <4A629FBC.4060800@satx.rr.com> References: <4A629FBC.4060800@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <2rh665hccf47p8un0atbr1o80gsr0kdteh@4ax.com> Alan Lesmerises wrote: >First, to recap, my system has 2 identical Seagate 400GB SATA drives >configured as RAID 0 The Dixie Chicks have some advice: "There's Your Trouble, There's Your Trouble You Keep Seeing Double With The Wrong One" As others have noted, running root on RAID 0 is just asking for a learning experience. > <...> It's extremely unlikely that >both drives would be failing simultaneously, so could the motherboard be >to blame? Yes. I have a mobo that lost SATA capability while IDE seems unaffected. At least one drive also failed, so don't know who died first. Have regularly seen reports of drives from same timeframe failing close together too, so don't count matching drive defects out. Of course OS corruption can make hardware act strange, so try System Rescue CD (www.sysresccd.org) and use the test utilities like smartmon to exercise the drive from there. If things look OK, I predict an OS reinstall is in your future. --Don -- We're headed for a Quantum Collapse! From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 13:56:56 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Jul 19 13:57:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Printer problems In-Reply-To: <4A62A1B9.1000203@gmail.com> References: <4A626798.4050804@gmail.com> <4A629DDA.3020305@gmail.com> <4A62A1B9.1000203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907191356.56355.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Saturday 18 July 2009 23:31:53 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > I changed from parallel to usb using a > > special cable that does the conversion. I think there is some active > > logic in there and that may have been affected by the electrical issues. > > > > I'll need to find a computer with a parallel port to try that out. I'll > > try my laptop. > > Well the printer works via the parallel port on a Windows box, but not using the > USB cable. It looks like I need a new cable. > > -- Bruce > > Ahh, I had one of those cables years ago. I did not use it for very long and soon replaced my parallel printer and gave it and the cable to a friend. The one I had seemed fairly cheap and had a big blue "USB" logo on the parallel adapter end. John From satlug at net153.net Sun Jul 19 13:59:56 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sun Jul 19 13:59:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] File system corruption In-Reply-To: <4A629FBC.4060800@satx.rr.com> References: <4A629FBC.4060800@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A636D2C.6090208@net153.net> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > A couple of weeks ago, I got an error message (from within KDE) saying > the authentication system failed. I tried to log onto my system via the > CLI and got some I/O errors. When I posted this issue to the group, > Jeremy said it looked like the file system was corrupted and that I > should use fsck to fix it. It worked that time (BTW, thanks Jeremy), > but now it seems to have happened again, and the problem is much worse now. > > First, to recap, my system has 2 identical Seagate 400GB SATA drives > configured as RAID 0, and I'm running OpenSUSE 11.1 x64. I have 4 > partitions on each (Boot, Root, Swap, & user data files). > > The first time around, fsck reported errors only on one partition, SDA7 > (the Root partition of the first drive). The errors mainly consisted of > "Inode xxxx has illegal block(s)", etc. I used fsck to fix the errors, > rebooted and repaired the OS files and I was back in business. But > after just a few days, my system crapped-out again, this time errors > were reported on both the Root & data partitions of both drives. The > errors included "Illegal Blocks", "Multiply-claimed block(s) in inode > xxxx" and dates being "in the future" (many of each kind of error on > each partition). > > So here are the questions I hope you can help me with: > > 1. What's going on with these errors? What do those error messages mean? > > 2. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing these errors? > > 3. I've put extra cooling fans on the hard drives themselves, but I > don't think that is really the problem. It's extremely unlikely that > both drives would be failing simultaneously, so could the motherboard be > to blame? > > TIA. > > Al Lesmerises > You might want to see if the drive manufacturer has a bootable dos diagnostic tester program. I would let that run and see what happens. If that is ok I would look into running memtest or prime95 overnight to see if there is a hardware issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime95 http://mersenneforum.org/gimps/mprime259-linux64.tar.gz http://mersenneforum.org/gimps/mprime259.tar.gz Sam From brad at shub-internet.org Sun Jul 19 19:20:38 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun Jul 19 19:20:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A63B856.4000200@shub-internet.org> on 7/18/09 6:52 PM, Bruce Dubbs said: >> IMO, the only Linux certification that's really worth anything are the >> ones from Red Hat, > > I don't like any vendor specific certifications. I think the LPI (Linux > Professional Institute) certifications are OK, but I do admit that they > are not as rigorous or as well known as RH. I generally don't like vendor-specific certifications myself, but there are some that are actually worthwhile, and others that may be somewhat less worthwhile but at least carry a certain level of respect in the business world. The Red Hat certs are both worthwhile and have the respect of the business community. So do the Cisco certs. Not many others do. > In the long run, any certification, RHCE, MSCE, BS, MS, PhD, LLD, CPA, > MD, etc are only valuable to someone doing some hiring. If they don't > have the ability to really evaluate your skills (and many don't), then > they rely on these certifications as poor substitutes. Very true. > Have you ever known anyone that has a large number of certifications and > doesn't really know squat? I certainly have. Yeah, and I've known some people that had what I consider to be worthwhile certs who were total jackasses, and not people I would want to work for, with, or have work for me. So even if the cert is a good one, that doesn't necessarily mean that the person attached to the cert is one that should be hired. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Sun Jul 19 19:24:14 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun Jul 19 19:24:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> on 7/18/09 8:54 PM, ed said: > In my world, we call these "paper technicians." They may know how to > browse a book and pass a test, but choke when the interviewer as them to > describe or demonstrate a memory upgrade... :P That's one of the things about most of the Red Hat certs. There is a theoretical side, and a practical side. If you can't demonstrate the practical side under the gun trying to fix 23 different problems in a ten minute period of time (or whatever), then you fail the cert. Of course, once someone gets the cert, that doesn't mean that they won't flunk the job interview. And even if they do pass the interview with flying colors and they have all the right certs, they could still be a very unpleasant person to work with or for. So, you've got to keep all these factors in mind. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Jul 19 20:22:42 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Jul 19 20:22:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A63C6E2.7050103@grandecom.net> IMO these test have the "potential" to guide prospective employers on the abilities of a potential candidate. In much the same way as say a ASE certification says something about a particular mechanics skills. That said everyone on the list who has knows a crappy ASE mechanic raise their hand. On the other hand given no other information on two different shops which would you choose the ASE shop or the non-ASE shop? This analogy however dosn't translate perfectly because there is no one governing body over IT certifications. It might just well be that there will never be, given the huge amount variation in hardware and software. If I am on the right track here, then one might say that the primary reason that RedHat and Cisco certs own much of the popularity in the US Biz market due to the proliferation of Redhat OS and Cisco Hardware? Todd From rodcis87 at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 21:11:52 2009 From: rodcis87 at gmail.com (Rod G) Date: Sun Jul 19 21:11:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A63B856.4000200@shub-internet.org> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A63B856.4000200@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <8d7b96d60907191911i243ff9edr9c05217145aba8ce@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Brad. It is more than just having tech skills, you must be a team player or possess some people skills to be able to work in corp America On Jul 19, 2009 7:20 PM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: on 7/18/09 6:52 PM, Bruce Dubbs said: >> IMO, the only Linux certification that's really worth anyt... I generally don't like vendor-specific certifications myself, but there are some that are actually worthwhile, and others that may be somewhat less worthwhile but at least carry a certain level of respect in the business world. The Red Hat certs are both worthwhile and have the respect of the business community. So do the Cisco certs. Not many others do. > In the long run, any certification, RHCE, MSCE, BS, MS, PhD, LLD, CPA, MD, etc are only valuable... Very true. > Have you ever known anyone that has a large number of certifications and doesn't really know squ... Yeah, and I've known some people that had what I consider to be worthwhile certs who were total jackasses, and not people I would want to work for, with, or have work for me. So even if the cert is a good one, that doesn't necessarily mean that the person attached to the cert is one that should be hired. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: < http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu> -- ______... SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsu... From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 11:37:57 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Mon Jul 20 11:37:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux Message-ID: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought this one might raise an eyebrow to two. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx best regards, esv. -------------------------------------- https://www.paylikeus.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jul 20 11:43:18 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Jul 20 11:43:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > I thought this one might raise an eyebrow to two. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx > > > best regards, > esv. > > > -------------------------------------- > https://www.paylikeus.com > > > > They probably did it becuase they needed help with drivers for their own Linux servers in Redmond. Or am I being too cynical? From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jul 20 11:55:25 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Jul 20 11:55:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >> >> I thought this one might raise an eyebrow to two. >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx >> >> >> best regards, >> esv. >> >> >> -------------------------------------- >> https://www.paylikeus.com >> >> >> > They probably did it becuase they needed help with drivers for their > own Linux servers in Redmond. Or am I being too cynical? Ok after a little thought maybe I am being a little cynical. After all it was a huge surprise when I saw that Silverlight now works under FireFox. Granted only on the winblows platform. And one must give credit where credit is due win7 is a pretty good OS, granted I only say this after upgrading from Vista. My question though is this, is M$ new contributions a example of a leopard changing its spots or are we witnessing M$ adopt/adapt to the superior (IMO) economic model of F/OSS? Personally I think its adaptation and thats why we see M$ exploring other revenue streams. Anyone Bing lately? Todd From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Jul 20 12:11:46 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Jul 20 12:12:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> Message-ID: Three words: embrace, extend, kill -- Brad Knowles Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:55 AM, "Todd W. Bucy" wrote: > Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >>> >>> I thought this one might raise an eyebrow to two. >>> >>> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx >>> >>> >>> best regards, >>> esv. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------- >>> https://www.paylikeus.com >>> >>> >>> >> They probably did it becuase they needed help with drivers for >> their own Linux servers in Redmond. Or am I being too cynical? > > Ok after a little thought maybe I am being a little cynical. After > all it was a huge surprise when I saw that Silverlight now works > under FireFox. Granted only on the winblows platform. And one must > give credit where credit is due win7 is a pretty good OS, granted I > only say this after upgrading from Vista. My question though is > this, is M$ new contributions a example of a leopard changing its > spots or are we witnessing M$ adopt/adapt to the superior (IMO) > economic model of F/OSS? Personally I think its adaptation and thats > why we see M$ exploring other revenue streams. Anyone Bing lately? > > Todd > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:10:11 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Jul 20 14:10:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4A64C113.4070906@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >> >> I thought this one might raise an eyebrow to two. >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx >> >> >> best regards, >> esv. >> >> >> -------------------------------------- >> https://www.paylikeus.com >> >> >> > They probably did it becuase they needed help with drivers for their > own Linux servers in Redmond. Or am I being too cynical? Or, maybe they're looking for new in-roads to further patent infringement lawsuits; or, maybe they're nefariously trying to put back-door holes into Linux platforms akin to their attempted sabotage/hijacking of Firefox with their Microsoft.Net 3.5 "extension"... Yeah, I'm cynical too, and, I think, with good reason... Cheers; Ed From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:12:03 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Jul 20 14:12:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4A64C183.6070702@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > [...] Anyone Bing lately? > > Todd Can't stand the site, myself. I think I'll stick with Google. Cheers; Ed From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:13:45 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Jul 20 14:14:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4A64C1E9.1010407@gmail.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > Three words: embrace, extend, kill > -- Brad Knowles > A known Macroshaft business practice. My thoughts, exactly... Cheers; Ed From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Jul 20 17:00:35 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Jul 20 17:00:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A64C1E9.1010407@gmail.com> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> <4A64C1E9.1010407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A64E903.10208@grandecom.net> ed wrote: > > > Brad Knowles wrote: >> Three words: embrace, extend, kill >> -- Brad Knowles >> > A known Macroshaft business practice. My thoughts, exactly... > > Cheers; > Ed > This strategy has worked very well for Microsoft when its victim is a piece of proprietary software. But how succesfull have they really been at shutting down F/OSS like Firefox? How successful have they really been with their lawsuits? They have had some but look at all the money they have spent and compare that to their goals. Given the general state of the economy such victories may become pyric ones at best. It may be that they are working both angles and I for one am very cynical but I can't help but wonder if there may be more fundamental economic factors at work which are in fact beginning to show in the behavior of M$. It may be that M$ sees a competitive advantage in adopting a mod of producing software which is more open. In my view this is a good sign. What we want after all is for M$ to change its behavior...right? Todd From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 20 19:47:21 2009 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis Jr) Date: Mon Jul 20 19:47:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A651019.2030607@earthlink.net> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > I thought this one might raise an eyebrow to two. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/Jul09/07-20LinuxQA.mspx > > > best regards, > esv. > My best guess would be to gain some input to the Obama Administration to streamline medical and other government software. I've suggested that the government stick with freesoftware. > mike > -------------------------------------- > https://www.paylikeus.com > > > > From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Jul 20 22:11:50 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Jul 20 22:11:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A64E903.10208@grandecom.net> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> <4A64C1E9.1010407@gmail.com> <4A64E903.10208@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4A6531F6.1030405@shub-internet.org> on 7/20/09 5:00 PM, Todd W. Bucy said: > This strategy has worked very well for Microsoft when its victim is a > piece of proprietary software. But how succesfull have they really been > at shutting down F/OSS like Firefox? Until recently, they don't appear to have attempted to apply EEK to F/LOSS. They've been operating in pure FUD mode because they couldn't comprehend their opponent or how to properly attack them. Now that they're writing plug-ins for Firefox, it appears likely that they think they have found a weakness that they think they can exploit. Whether that's true or not, is something that only time can tell. > It may be that M$ sees a competitive advantage in adopting a mod of > producing software which is more open. They want the appearance of a certain amount of open-ness, yes. But they will only tolerate a trivially small amount of any real open-ness, insofar as it makes them look like they're actually trying to be more open. As soon as people wake up, the leopard will rediscover his spots. > In my view this is a good sign. > What we want after all is for M$ to change its behavior...right? Actually, no. A company break-up would have been the worst possible thing, because now you'd have multiple un-killable evil behemoths, each of which would now have the government-provided stamp of legitimacy. We want them to continue to act the same way they always have, so that we can completely eliminate them. We don't want this virus to mutate. We want to exterminate this plague upon the planet. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 22:33:22 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Jul 20 22:33:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <8d7b96d60907191911i243ff9edr9c05217145aba8ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <158311.4654.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> i've seen people with degrees who aren't worth a sh**, and I've seen people with just real world experience that have gotten the job done when degreed individuals couldn't cut the mustard. that's why you interview someone properly or you're just screwed regardless what kind of paper they have. -Alex Rod G wrote: > I agree with Brad. It is more than just having tech skills, you must be a > team player or possess some people skills to be able to work in corp America > On Jul 19, 2009 7:20 PM, "Brad Knowles" wrote: > on 7/18/09 6:52 PM, Bruce Dubbs said: >> IMO, the only Linux certification > that's really worth anyt... > I generally don't like vendor-specific certifications myself, but there are > some that are actually worthwhile, and others that may be somewhat less > worthwhile but at least carry a certain level of respect in the business > world. The Red Hat certs are both worthwhile and have the respect of the > business community. So do the Cisco certs. Not many others do. >> In the long run, any certification, RHCE, MSCE, BS, MS, PhD, LLD, CPA, MD, > etc are only valuable... > Very true. >> Have you ever known anyone that has a large number of certifications and > doesn't really know squ... > Yeah, and I've known some people that had what I consider to be worthwhile > certs who were total jackasses, and not people I would want to work for, > with, or have work for me. So even if the cert is a good one, that doesn't > necessarily mean that the person attached to the cert is one that should be > hired. > -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: < > http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu> -- ______... > SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsu... > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 23:57:18 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Jul 20 23:57:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A64E903.10208@grandecom.net> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> <4A64C1E9.1010407@gmail.com> <4A64E903.10208@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <4A654AAE.3030707@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> >> > This strategy has worked very well for Microsoft when its victim is a > piece of proprietary software. But how succesfull have they really > been at shutting down F/OSS like Firefox? How successful have they > really been with their lawsuits? They have had some but look at all > the money they have spent and compare that to their goals. Given the > general state of the economy such victories may become pyric ones at > best. It may be that they are working both angles and I for one am > very cynical but I can't help but wonder if there may be more > fundamental economic factors at work which are in fact beginning to > show in the behavior of M$. It may be that M$ sees a competitive > advantage in adopting a mod of producing software which is more open. > In my view this is a good sign. What we want after all is for M$ to > change its behavior...right? > > Todd My preferences? My wants? M$ and $ony could die tomorrow, and I'd not miss them one bit. Cheers; Ed From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Jul 20 23:59:33 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Jul 20 23:59:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <158311.4654.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <158311.4654.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A654B35.70600@shub-internet.org> on 7/20/09 10:33 PM, Alex Bartonek said: > i've seen people with degrees who aren't worth a sh**, and > I've seen people with just real world experience that have gotten > the job done when degreed individuals couldn't cut the mustard. > that's why you interview someone properly or you're just > screwed regardless what kind of paper they have. That's certainly true, for the employer. If they don't have good interview techniques, then they're screwed. But this fact doesn't help someone who wishes to be an employee to choose the right certifications. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 23:59:39 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Jul 20 23:59:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A64F477.2030108@gmail.com> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> <4A64C113.4070906@gmail.com> <4A64F477.2030108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A654B3B.8030603@gmail.com> Michael wrote: > ed wrote: >> Or, maybe they're looking for new in-roads to further patent >> infringement lawsuits; or, maybe they're nefariously trying to put >> back-door holes into Linux platforms akin to their attempted >> sabotage/hijacking of Firefox with their Microsoft.Net 3.5 >> "extension"... Yeah, I'm cynical too, and, I think, with good reason... >> >> Cheers; >> Ed >> > > I didn't see that what. Please post some details on the extension you > are referring to. > > Mike Please do a Google search on "Microsoft Sabotage Firefox." If you haven't heard about this already (and I teach the fix in my A+ classes), you're in for a real eye-opener... Cheers; Ed From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 00:02:27 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Jul 21 00:02:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft Contributes Linux Drivers to Linux In-Reply-To: <4A6531F6.1030405@shub-internet.org> References: <286772.71409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A649EA6.8050302@grandecom.net> <4A64A17D.6040101@grandecom.net> <4A64C1E9.1010407@gmail.com> <4A64E903.10208@grandecom.net> <4A6531F6.1030405@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A654BE3.60705@gmail.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > > We don't want this virus [M$] to mutate. We want to exterminate this > plague upon the planet. > Couldn't have said it better, myself... Cheers; Ed From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 00:59:20 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Tue Jul 21 00:59:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Having connection issues with a crossover cable Message-ID: i need help with a crossover connection. i've setup static ip addresses on both ends, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1, both in the same netmask, lights on ethernet cards both show connectivity, iptables has no rules enabled. What could be the issue here? One ip is set to 192.168.0.1 and the other, 192.168.0.2 and both are in netmask 255.255.255.0. No response from ping on ether end. Ifconfig shows the eth0 is up with static set ips. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 From nathan at gvtc.com Tue Jul 21 07:42:45 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Tue Jul 21 07:42:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem Message-ID: <20090721054245.759D8A38@resin17.mta.everyone.net> As most of you know, I have 2 computers, my Laptop which I bring to the meetings and computer shows with Linux, and my Tower with Win 2000 that I use because of two programs I can not get in Linux. Prior to leaving on my trip on the first of July the Tower was working fine. Since I got back it will not boot. Disk I/O error: Status = 00001000 Windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: Windows 2000 root>\systen32\ntoskrnl.exe Does anyone know if this file is easy to get at on the Win 2000 CD, or would I be better off getting a copy from a working Win 2000? Thanks, Nathan From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Tue Jul 21 07:53:59 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Tue Jul 21 07:54:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem In-Reply-To: <20090721054245.759D8A38@resin17.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090721054245.759D8A38@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4A65BA67.2060503@suddenlink.net> Nathan wrote: > As most of you know, I have 2 computers, my Laptop which I bring to the meetings and computer shows with Linux, and my Tower with Win 2000 that I use because of two programs I can not get in Linux. > > Prior to leaving on my trip on the first of July the Tower was working fine. Since I got back it will not boot. > > Disk I/O error: Status = 00001000 > Windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: > Windows 2000 root>\systen32\ntoskrnl.exe > > Does anyone know if this file is easy to get at on the Win 2000 CD, or would I be better off getting a copy from a working Win 2000? > > Thanks, > > Nathan It should be fairly easy to find on a w2k cd. You may need to change the name. I don't think that is going to solve your problem. I do hope you made back-ups of all important data. Sorry to be the bearer of possibly bad tidings. Peace, Dennis From ftm at satx.rr.com Tue Jul 21 08:08:19 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Tue Jul 21 08:08:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem In-Reply-To: <20090721054245.759D8A38@resin17.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090721054245.759D8A38@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: If you have the Win 2000 CD/DVD you should be able to run the install procedure and then select "repair" and it will fix the corrupt files without having to re-format or mess up any of your files on that tower. After this the tower should boot as normal. Just to make sure, I just did this with a win2000 machine I have and it reported back that my file system did not need repair and exited as expected.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:42 AM Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem > As most of you know, I have 2 computers, my Laptop which I bring to the > meetings and computer shows with Linux, and my Tower with Win 2000 that I > use because of two programs I can not get in Linux. > > Prior to leaving on my trip on the first of July the Tower was working > fine. Since I got back it will not boot. > > Disk I/O error: Status = 00001000 > Windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or > corrupt: > Windows 2000 root>\systen32\ntoskrnl.exe > > Does anyone know if this file is easy to get at on the Win 2000 CD, or > would I be better off getting a copy from a working Win 2000? > > Thanks, > > Nathan > -- From masterr at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 08:55:31 2009 From: masterr at gmail.com (Jonathan Hull) Date: Tue Jul 21 08:55:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Low profile S/PDIF / Toslink / Coaxial bracket. In-Reply-To: <4A632573.2000605@grandecom.net> References: <14842c410907190615v1cfb42dalf68eb298ea1f0c60@mail.gmail.com> <4A632573.2000605@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <14842c410907210655s34d618b7pc8284fef2898e2ff@mail.gmail.com> Still can't find anything so that may be the way I have to go. Thanks for the suggestion. -Jon On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Jonathan Hull wrote: >> >> I haven't posted here in quite a while so first of all I want to say >> Hello to everyone again! >> >> And now I have a question: A while back I built a HTPC with HDMI >> running Ubuntu. Everything works great except that audio over HDMI has >> a second or two of silence at the beginning of playback for all files >> and in all media players. I suspect it is related to the time it takes >> for the HDCP handshake, but am not certain. After much fiddling I have >> given up (I may revisit the problem later) and have decided to fall >> back to S/PDIF audio for now. >> >> The problem I have now is that the PC case I used for the system is >> low profile (short), and for the life of me I can not file a >> low-profile bracket/mount for the S/PDIF connector. I have several >> that are the full height but not a single low profile bracket and I >> can not find a low-profile version being sold anywhere online. I am >> starting to think no one makes it in low-profile. Does anyone here >> happen to know where I can buy one? >> >> The only requirements are this: >> >> 1) Low profile >> 2) Has Toslink optical and Coaxial digital S/PDIF connectors. >> >> The pin-out is not too important since I can easily change it, but it >> will be plugged into the 4 (or 7/8) pin header on ASUS brand >> motherboards. >> >> Here is an example of a full size version: >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Gigabyte-Motherboard-12CR1-1SPOUT-02R-SPDIF-Out-cable_W0QQitemZ260418060759QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca22041d7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A2123|293%3A1|294%3A50 >> >> I simply need one like that that is shorter for the low-profile cases. >> >> If anyone knows where I can acquire one please let me know, I would >> much appreciate it. I fear that if I can't find one I may have to rig >> it up in some way with a different low-profile bracket or cutting down >> a full size bracket. >> >> Thanks, everyone! >> >> -Jon >> > > I just pick up a low profile soundcard (off-brand) from Altex on I-35 a few > weeks ago, which had sp/pdif coaxial and optical. ?give them a try. ?It > seems to be working fine with my LinuxMCE box. > > Todd > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 09:16:29 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Jul 21 09:16:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Having connection issues with a crossover cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A65CDBD.8060109@gmail.com> Christopher Lemire wrote: > i need help with a crossover connection. i've setup static ip > addresses on both ends, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1, both in the > same netmask, lights on ethernet cards both show connectivity, > iptables has no rules enabled. What could be the issue here? > > One ip is set to 192.168.0.1 and the other, 192.168.0.2 and both are > in netmask 255.255.255.0. > > No response from ping on ether end. Ifconfig shows the eth0 is up with > static set ips. What are the results of `ifconfig` on both systems? The ip_forward is meaningless here. What you report is most likely a hw problem, either one of the ethernet devices or the wire, lights not withstanding. If you can get a 3rd system to work with either of the others, you can isolate the problem. -- Bruce From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 15:47:05 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Jul 21 15:47:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem In-Reply-To: References: <20090721054245.759D8A38@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4A662949.3090202@gmail.com> Sugar wrote: > If you have the Win 2000 CD/DVD you should be able to run the install > procedure and then select "repair" and it will fix the corrupt files > without having to re-format or mess up any of your files on that > tower. After this the tower should boot as normal. Just to make > sure, I just did this with a win2000 machine I have and it reported > back that my file system did not need repair and exited as expected.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:42 AM > Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem > > >> As most of you know, I have 2 computers, my Laptop which I bring to >> the meetings and computer shows with Linux, and my Tower with Win >> 2000 that I use because of two programs I can not get in Linux. >> >> Prior to leaving on my trip on the first of July the Tower was >> working fine. Since I got back it will not boot. >> >> Disk I/O error: Status = 00001000 >> Windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or >> corrupt: >> Windows 2000 root>\systen32\ntoskrnl.exe >> >> Does anyone know if this file is easy to get at on the Win 2000 CD, >> or would I be better off getting a copy from a working Win 2000? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nathan >> -- Hi... Before trying all that, try booting into Safe Mode (F8 on boot) and: 1. Select "Boot from Last Known Good Configuration." and, if that doesn't work, 2. Boot into Safe Mode again with Command Prompt, and type the command "Fixboot." Either of these stands a chance of restoring your system, though you may need an install disk to accomplish them... Cheers; Ed From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Tue Jul 21 19:09:08 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Tue Jul 21 19:09:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem In-Reply-To: <4A662949.3090202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090722000908.66VNT.530025.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> IIRC that file is specific to your processor type/bits/things like that and the installer chooses the most appropriate one during the install. I don't think W2K has a last known good config, that was introduced in xp but directory services restore (kinda close) was for domain controllers only. Richard ---- ed wrote: > > > Sugar wrote: > > If you have the Win 2000 CD/DVD you should be able to run the install > > procedure and then select "repair" and it will fix the corrupt files > > without having to re-format or mess up any of your files on that > > tower. After this the tower should boot as normal. Just to make > > sure, I just did this with a win2000 machine I have and it reported > > back that my file system did not need repair and exited as expected.. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan" > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:42 AM > > Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem > > > > > >> As most of you know, I have 2 computers, my Laptop which I bring to > >> the meetings and computer shows with Linux, and my Tower with Win > >> 2000 that I use because of two programs I can not get in Linux. > >> > >> Prior to leaving on my trip on the first of July the Tower was > >> working fine. Since I got back it will not boot. > >> > >> Disk I/O error: Status = 00001000 > >> Windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or > >> corrupt: > >> Windows 2000 root>\systen32\ntoskrnl.exe > >> > >> Does anyone know if this file is easy to get at on the Win 2000 CD, > >> or would I be better off getting a copy from a working Win 2000? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Nathan > >> -- > Hi... Before trying all that, try booting into Safe Mode (F8 on boot) and: > > 1. Select "Boot from Last Known Good Configuration." and, if that > doesn't work, > 2. Boot into Safe Mode again with Command Prompt, and type the command > "Fixboot." > > Either of these stands a chance of restoring your system, though you may > need an install disk to accomplish them... > > Cheers; > Ed > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Tue Jul 21 19:13:54 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Tue Jul 21 19:13:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem In-Reply-To: <20090722000908.66VNT.530025.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> References: <20090722000908.66VNT.530025.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> Message-ID: <4A6659C2.3030607@suddenlink.net> Yeah, and there is also the problem of not being able to get into safe mode because that is something which the ntoskrnl.exe causes to happen. Like I said earlier, I hope your important stuff is backed up, or that you have a way to mount the hard drive so you can get to it, 'cause that system is hosed. Sorry, Dennis in Victoria, with 9 years experience in w2k rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > IIRC that file is specific to your processor type/bits/things like that and the installer chooses the most appropriate one during the install. I don't think W2K has a last known good config, that was introduced in xp but directory services restore (kinda close) was for domain controllers only. > > Richard > > ---- ed wrote: >> >> Sugar wrote: >>> If you have the Win 2000 CD/DVD you should be able to run the install >>> procedure and then select "repair" and it will fix the corrupt files >>> without having to re-format or mess up any of your files on that >>> tower. After this the tower should boot as normal. Just to make >>> sure, I just did this with a win2000 machine I have and it reported >>> back that my file system did not need repair and exited as expected.. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan" >>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:42 AM >>> Subject: [SATLUG]OT: Win 2000 problem >>> >>> >>>> As most of you know, I have 2 computers, my Laptop which I bring to >>>> the meetings and computer shows with Linux, and my Tower with Win >>>> 2000 that I use because of two programs I can not get in Linux. >>>> >>>> Prior to leaving on my trip on the first of July the Tower was >>>> working fine. Since I got back it will not boot. >>>> >>>> Disk I/O error: Status = 00001000 >>>> Windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or >>>> corrupt: >>>> Windows 2000 root>\systen32\ntoskrnl.exe >>>> >>>> Does anyone know if this file is easy to get at on the Win 2000 CD, >>>> or would I be better off getting a copy from a working Win 2000? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Nathan >>>> -- >> Hi... Before trying all that, try booting into Safe Mode (F8 on boot) and: >> >> 1. Select "Boot from Last Known Good Configuration." and, if that >> doesn't work, >> 2. Boot into Safe Mode again with Command Prompt, and type the command >> "Fixboot." >> >> Either of these stands a chance of restoring your system, though you may >> need an install disk to accomplish them... >> >> Cheers; >> Ed >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.386 / Virus Database: 270.13.21/2252 - Release Date: 07/21/09 05:58:00 > From j at jvpappas.net Tue Jul 21 22:51:11 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Jul 21 22:51:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Having connection issues with a crossover cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4c0ec4450907212051i2df35fd6qb83a1d06a4aeb302@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 00:59, Christopher Lemire < christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > i need help with a crossover connection. i've setup static ip > addresses on both ends, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1, both in the > same netmask, lights on ethernet cards both show connectivity, > iptables has no rules enabled. What could be the issue here? Is this an actual ethernet crossover cable (Rusty on the colors so LMGTFY)? An incorrectly wired crossover will show lights, but no actual layer 2 comms go... > One ip is set to 192.168.0.1 and the other, 192.168.0.2 and both are > in netmask 255.255.255.0. > I am not sure if the `arp` command is installed by default on your system/ubuntu, but on my system it shows all the systems that have broadcasted an arp, and AFAIK, arps are not blocked by any firewalls (as they almost always work on layer 3, rather than Layer 2 where the MAC address resides). I would check that. Also check `arping`. Since arps are usually not firewalled, this "ping" should overcome any firewall issues. DO not think that SELinux works at L2 either, so that should verify raw connectivity. > No response from ping on ether end. Ifconfig shows the eth0 is up with > static set ips. > Local box pings work? You could use tcpdump/wireshark to check for activity on the wire as well... > -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 09:58:00 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jul 22 09:58:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Average lifespan of an Adaptec SCSI card? Message-ID: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> After 6 years of faithful service, our Adaptec SCSI adaptor (Adaptec 3410S Ultra160 4 channel) may have bit the dust. Over the weekend, 2 of the 6 drives failed and were marked as Dead. I have replaced those, however, the server keeps kernel panicing at random intervals with regards to the dpt_i2o driver (kernel SCSI driver). This server is our secondary backup server and it has been online and operational for quite some time. In fact, its the one server in our lab with the highest uptime, until this weekend. We didn't lose any data other than the operating system so I can bring the system down for testing, pulling cards, etc... My question is, under this typical data center environment, what is the average lifespan of a SCSI card (or a SATA card)? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 10:28:12 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Wed Jul 22 10:28:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Average lifespan of an Adaptec SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470907220828u64143accjc8a826dcb6d952a4@mail.gmail.com> That's a good question Jeremy: I still have a couple of AHA1542B/CF cards (the old 16bit ISA ones with the eleventy bazillion jumpers which are still alive and have yet to fail. They have outlasted several motherboards and procs and refuse to die. On the other hand, I've also had new hardware suddenly and without reasonable cause for explanation just die, some of which has been in hardware I've had for ages. I guess it's luck of the draw sometimes, a flawed design that doesn't come into play for months/years or a once in a lifetime defect that wasn't an issue on first installation that suddenly without warning causes something to give up the ghost. I am noticing a trend however and this is a bit of a scary one. The move from the surface mount Quad inline pin (QIP?) package and surface mount Dual Inline Pin (SOIC) methods of mounting components to the newer Ball Grid Array (BGA) method appears to cause some significant hardware failures recently. I'm sure that regardless of whether or not you own one, you've no doubt heard about the RROD (Red Rings of Death) concerning the newish Xbox360s with failures ranging from HDMI not working to all the way up to processor failure or RAM failure. The issue has been found to be the heating and cooling of some components over time causes the BGA mount to begin to seperate and momentarily lose contact, causing the RROD in Xboxes and while research hasn't been able to pinpoint a specific manufacturing technique that is producing the failed components, it has been suspected that there is definitely something amiss with the whole BGA thought for mounting some heat-generating components. The whole idea behind using BGA is to cut down on a chip's package size but not have to cut down on the amount of pins available to the PCB for a particular device. The thing that concerns me is that if the Xbox360's are the most notable product suffering from this issue, what other components have also been experiencing this but aren't diagnosed well enough (or made public) that could also be suffering from this same issue? I know that my nVidia card in my laptop is BGA and I had to replace that with one that I had from another laptop of the same model and make and while the processor in my laptop is a regular pin-style (complete with small ZIF socket) I can't help but wonder about the chipset which is also BGA. References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-outline_integrated_circuit FIRESTORM_v1 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > After 6 years of faithful service, our Adaptec SCSI adaptor (Adaptec > 3410S Ultra160 4 channel) may have bit the dust. Over the weekend, 2 > of the 6 drives failed and were marked as Dead. I have replaced those, > however, the server keeps kernel panicing at random intervals with > regards to the dpt_i2o driver (kernel SCSI driver). > > This server is our secondary backup server and it has been online and > operational for quite some time. In fact, its the one server in our > lab with the highest uptime, until this weekend. > > We didn't lose any data other than the operating system so I can bring > the system down for testing, pulling cards, etc... > > My question is, under this typical data center environment, what is > the average lifespan of a SCSI card (or a SATA card)? > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 10:54:22 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Wed Jul 22 10:54:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux expertise Message-ID: I heard quite a bit about how good is Red Hat certs for Linux. I guess these would be a baseline for know how since they test practical implementation. Really I want to have the real world experience more than acronym for my name. What so hard to tell is just what level a person's know how really is in linux and I wanted to show my skills are polished. thanks for the opinions. On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Brad Knowles wrote: > > IMO, the only Linux certification that's really worth anything are the >> ones from Red Hat, >> > > I don't like any vendor specific certifications. I think the LPI (Linux > Professional Institute) certifications are OK, but I do admit that they are > not as rigorous or as well known as RH. > In the long run, any certification, RHCE, MSCE, BS, MS, PhD, LLD, CPA, MD, > etc are only valuable to someone doing some hiring. If they don't have the > ability to really evaluate your skills (and many don't), then they rely on > these certifications as poor substitutes. Once you have the job, the > certifications mean nothing. Being able to do the job is very important, > but more people get fired over interpersonal skills than for lack of > technical skills. > > Have you ever known anyone that has a large number of certifications and > doesn't really know squat? I certainly have. > > -- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 10:57:28 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Wed Jul 22 10:57:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A627AC1.3080008@gmail.com> References: <4A627AC1.3080008@gmail.com> Message-ID: thanks I might take you up on that offer. I need another head to study with. On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:45 PM, ed wrote: > Kevin; I can't speak to your whole question, but, if you'd like to pursue > a CompTIA Linux+ certification, I'd be more than happy to study/practice > with you as I pursue my own... > > Cheers; > Ed > ============= > > > Kevin Buckner wrote: > >> Here is my situation history >> >> I am trying to develop more hands on Linux/Unix expertise. I used to be >> a >> Solaris/ AIX >> Power User ( I refrain from using the term system administrator too >> loosely >> :) ) Since 2002 I did not >> have access to these (Power PC and SPARC machines) commercial unixes. So >> there was >> a big gap between my last hands on experience which made it difficult to >> show credibility. In 2007 >> I got hooked on Fedora and DSL ( Damn Small Linux) and wanted to become a >> linux engineer. So >> at first I tried to relate my old commericial unix experience to linux >> which was a huge mistake. Then I decided >> to wipe the slate clean and start fresh. >> >> I spent most of last year trying to build my experience on CentOS, Puppy, >> Open Suse and Ubuntu Linux to prepare for >> certification as a Linux Engineer. I was hooked on Open Solaris, and MAC >> OS >> X as well but didnt spend as much time >> on these other unix systems as linux. So here is my question: By >> volunteering on open source projects could I build >> expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? Or better yet >> getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I >> did want to support in a hands on way. Please advise. >> >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 10:58:33 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Jul 22 10:58:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Average lifespan of an Adaptec SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <869de8470907220828u64143accjc8a826dcb6d952a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> <869de8470907220828u64143accjc8a826dcb6d952a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0907220858j514db7d2j8132bd85e087a23c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:28 AM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > That's a good question Jeremy: > > I still have a couple of AHA1542B/CF cards (the old 16bit ISA ones > with the eleventy bazillion jumpers which are still alive and have yet > to fail. ?They have outlasted several motherboards and procs and > refuse to die. > > On the other hand, I've also had new hardware suddenly and without > reasonable cause for explanation just die, some of which has been in > hardware I've had for ages. > > I guess it's luck of the draw sometimes, a flawed design that doesn't > come into play for months/years or a once in a lifetime defect that > wasn't an issue on first installation that suddenly without warning > causes something to give up the ghost. The card itself has worked perfectly for going on 6 years. I can only assume its because of the heat cycles our server room goes through. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 11:04:49 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Wed Jul 22 11:04:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want real expertise and not just a paper title. I think certification and the home lab will be necessary for real linux expertise. Does anyone know of any open source linux projects they would recommend? On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/18/09 8:54 PM, ed said: > > In my world, we call these "paper technicians." They may know how to >> browse a book and pass a test, just but choke when the interviewer as them >> to describe or demonstrate a memory upgrade... :P >> > > That's one of the things about most of the Red Hat certs. There is a > theoretical side, and a practical side. If you can't demonstrate the > practical side under the gun trying to fix 23 different problems in a ten > minute period of time (or whatever), then you fail the cert. > Of course, once someone gets the cert, that doesn't mean that they won't > flunk the job interview. And even if they do pass the interview with flying > colors and they have all the right certs, they could still be a very > unpleasant person to work with or for. > > So, you've got to keep all these factors in mind. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 11:16:17 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Jul 22 11:16:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0907220916h91a63eai6aba72780e5ceeee@mail.gmail.com> Amahi, Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, OpenSolaris, you name it it's out there. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Kevin Buckner wrote: > You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want > real expertise and not just a paper title. > I think certification and the home lab will be necessary for real linux > expertise. Does anyone know of any > open source linux projects they would recommend? > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Brad Knowles >wrote: > > > on 7/18/09 8:54 PM, ed said: > > > > In my world, we call these "paper technicians." They may know how to > >> browse a book and pass a test, just but choke when the interviewer as > them > >> to describe or demonstrate a memory upgrade... :P > >> > > > > That's one of the things about most of the Red Hat certs. There is a > > theoretical side, and a practical side. If you can't demonstrate the > > practical side under the gun trying to fix 23 different problems in a ten > > minute period of time (or whatever), then you fail the cert. > > Of course, once someone gets the cert, that doesn't mean that they won't > > flunk the job interview. And even if they do pass the interview with > flying > > colors and they have all the right certs, they could still be a very > > unpleasant person to work with or for. > > > > So, you've got to keep all these factors in mind. > > > > -- > > Brad Knowles > > LinkedIn Profile: > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 11:36:53 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Jul 22 11:36:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> Kevin Buckner wrote: > You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want real > expertise and not just a paper title. I think certification and the home lab > will be necessary for real linux expertise. Does anyone know of any open > source linux projects they would recommend? http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ -- Bruce From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 11:51:15 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Wed Jul 22 11:51:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470907220951i82630c3n2bb5be7b2641a328@mail.gmail.com> ok, I'll throw my .05c in to the conversation... (hey, gotta blame inflation for the increase. :) I second the response for linux from scratch. Even if you never get to the point that you build your own distribution, LFS is EXCELLENT at getting to know how the Linux operating system as a whole works. It teaches you the boot process, why things are the way they are, how the runlevels work and how they do what they do. It really pulls the "magic curtain" back and lets you see the inner workings of our great OS. It starts you off with nothing and you build up from there, adding what you want and figuring out how to get it done. One of the reasons I'm decent at squeezing Linux onto embedded devices is because of my working with LFS. The things it taught me helped me apply those lessons to real world applications and to achieve the goals I wanted to achieve. Good luck. :) FIRESTORM_v1 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Kevin Buckner wrote: > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ > > ?-- Bruce From afcasta at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 22 12:54:30 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Wed Jul 22 12:54:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 11:36 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Kevin Buckner wrote: > > > You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want real > > expertise and not just a paper title. I think certification and the home lab > > will be necessary for real linux expertise. Does anyone know of any open > > source linux projects they would recommend? > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ > > -- Bruce I'll second Bruce's recommendation... I'd been running AT&T and BSD flavors of UNIX since 1983 and switched from NetBSD to Linux when the 1.0 kernel came out, but didn't really understand Linux until I built a Linux from Scratch box and tuned it for different jobs. Al Castanoli From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jul 22 13:29:13 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jul 22 13:29:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4c0ec4450907221129t6dfcb7e1qae3a0a86f48934c2@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:54, Kevin Buckner wrote: > I heard quite a bit about how good is Red Hat certs for Linux. I guess > these would be a baseline for know how since they test practical > implementation. Really I want to have the real world experience more than > acronym for my name. Having taken the ~7 hour RHCE test, I can safely say that it is an accurate reflection of depth/breadth of knowledge. The RHCT (Technician) part (first 2.5 hours or so) is all about OS operations (booting, troubleshooting, run levels, users, package/software management, disk management, basic configuration) and the RHCE portion (last 3.5 hours or so) is all about advanced OS (SELinux, auditing/quota, etc) and service configuration (HTTP, SMTP, POP/IMAP, FTP, SAMBA, NIS+, What so hard to tell is just what level a person's know how really is in > linux > and I wanted to show my skills are polished. thanks for the opinions. If I were to take it again, I would spend the most time working on the Service Config Knowledge, particularly the biggies: HTTP, SMTP/POP/IMAP, normal security stuff (SELinux, host.allow/.deny, etc) and the like. > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Bruce Dubbs > wrote: > > > Brad Knowles wrote: > > > > IMO, the only Linux certification that's really worth anything are the > >> ones from Red Hat, > >> > > > > I don't like any vendor specific certifications. I think the LPI (Linux > > Professional Institute) certifications are OK, but I do admit that they > are > > not as rigorous or as well known as RH. > > In the long run, any certification, RHCE, MSCE, BS, MS, PhD, LLD, CPA, > MD, > > etc are only valuable to someone doing some hiring. If they don't have > the > > ability to really evaluate your skills (and many don't), then they rely > on > > these certifications as poor substitutes. Once you have the job, the > > certifications mean nothing. Being able to do the job is very important, > > but more people get fired over interpersonal skills than for lack of > > technical skills. > > > > Have you ever known anyone that has a large number of certifications and > > doesn't really know squat? I certainly have. > > > > -- Bruce > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From rodcis87 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 13:31:50 2009 From: rodcis87 at gmail.com (Rod G) Date: Wed Jul 22 13:31:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux expertise In-Reply-To: <8d7b96d60907221131yc0bb863g682f56ff22ee735c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450907221129t6dfcb7e1qae3a0a86f48934c2@mail.gmail.com> <8d7b96d60907221131yc0bb863g682f56ff22ee735c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d7b96d60907221131k6176549cj80c6de77320df94f@mail.gmail.com> Can you tell me if the cost of the RHCE really is close to $800? On Jul 22, 2009 1:29 PM, "John Pappas" wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:54, Kevin Buckner wrote: > I heard quite a bit a... Having taken the ~7 hour RHCE test, I can safely say that it is an accurate reflection of depth/breadth of knowledge. The RHCT (Technician) part (first 2.5 hours or so) is all about OS operations (booting, troubleshooting, run levels, users, package/software management, disk management, basic configuration) and the RHCE portion (last 3.5 hours or so) is all about advanced OS (SELinux, auditing/quota, etc) and service configuration (HTTP, SMTP, POP/IMAP, FTP, SAMBA, NIS+, What so hard to tell is just what level a person's know how really is in > linux > and I wanted to ... If I were to take it again, I would spend the most time working on the Service Config Knowledge, particularly the biggies: HTTP, SMTP/POP/IMAP, normal security stuff (SELinux, host.allow/.deny, etc) and the like. > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Bruce Dubbs > wrote: > > > Brad Knowle... -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.s... From e2eiod at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 13:57:33 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Wed Jul 22 13:57:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux expertise In-Reply-To: <8d7b96d60907221131k6176549cj80c6de77320df94f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450907221129t6dfcb7e1qae3a0a86f48934c2@mail.gmail.com> <8d7b96d60907221131yc0bb863g682f56ff22ee735c@mail.gmail.com> <8d7b96d60907221131k6176549cj80c6de77320df94f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/22/09, Rod G wrote: > Can you tell me if the cost of the RHCE really is close to $800? > >From the SATLUG archives "[SATLUG] Study for RHCE..." dated Dec 15, 2008: the test itself is $799 (hmm.. i think price went up $49) more info here: https://www.redhat.com/courses/rh302_rhce_exam/ From j at jvpappas.net Wed Jul 22 14:03:29 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Jul 22 14:03:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux expertise In-Reply-To: <8d7b96d60907221131k6176549cj80c6de77320df94f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450907221129t6dfcb7e1qae3a0a86f48934c2@mail.gmail.com> <8d7b96d60907221131yc0bb863g682f56ff22ee735c@mail.gmail.com> <8d7b96d60907221131k6176549cj80c6de77320df94f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450907221203o276530qf2153361c1b2b66c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 13:31, Rod G wrote: > Can you tell me if the cost of the RHCE really is close to $800? > It is. Other than RackSpace internal employee testing here in SATX, the only "open" TX test locations are Austin, Houston, and Dallas. I see the cost is justified given the need for qualified (and they are actively involved for the entire test) instructor proctor/administrator and a fully equipped and configured lab environment. It is always the Friday following the RH300 course, and the test alone is "Course" RH302. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Jul 22 14:12:39 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Jul 22 14:12:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A6764A7.2070301@grandecom.net> Kevin Buckner wrote: > You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want > real expertise and not just a paper title. > I think certification and the home lab will be necessary for real linux > expertise. Does anyone know of any > open source linux projects they would recommend? For a home lab, and mind you this is one of the biggest F/OSS projects out there, I would recommend LinuxMCE. As it combines several other F/OSS projects under one platform. That said it is pretty well managed for a F/OSS project with over 3 millions lines of code. And its modular enough so that you can learn one particular feature at a time This particular project though will end up making my whole house a lab. www.linuxmce.org Todd From siffland at nerdshack.com Wed Jul 22 18:39:33 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Jul 22 18:39:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <869de8470907220951i82630c3n2bb5be7b2641a328@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <869de8470907220951i82630c3n2bb5be7b2641a328@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00907221639j3aab835fh7e5a528b96a4d6fd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:51 AM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > ok, I'll throw my .05c in to the conversation... ?(hey, gotta blame > inflation for the increase. :) > > I second the response for linux from scratch. ?Even if you never get > to the point that you build your own distribution, LFS is EXCELLENT at > getting to know how the Linux operating system as a whole works. > > It teaches you the boot process, why things are the way they are, how > the runlevels work and how they do what they do. > > It really pulls the "magic curtain" back and lets you see the inner > workings of our great OS. It starts you off with nothing and you build > up from there, adding what you want and figuring out how to get it > done. > > One of the reasons I'm decent at squeezing Linux onto embedded devices > is because of my working with LFS. ?The things it taught me helped me > apply those lessons to real world applications and to achieve the > goals I wanted to achieve. > > Good luck. :) > > FIRESTORM_v1 > Gentoo is the same way, it does not go as in depth as linux from scratch, but if you do a gentoo install (I started back in the day with a stage1 on a 586) following the handbook you learn a lot about the way linux works and how to not compile a kernel. As for certs, yeah we are all required to get our Security+ as a DoD requirement, everyone is using pass4sure and getting 900's and most are users.......I realize Redhat's is a lot harder but still. Sean From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 22 20:56:13 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Jul 22 20:55:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Average lifespan of an Adaptec SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A67C33D.1040500@satx.rr.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > After 6 years of faithful service, our Adaptec SCSI adaptor (Adaptec > 3410S Ultra160 4 channel) may have bit the dust. Over the weekend, 2 > of the 6 drives failed and were marked as Dead. I have replaced those, > however, the server keeps kernel panicing at random intervals with > regards to the dpt_i2o driver (kernel SCSI driver). > > This server is our secondary backup server and it has been online and > operational for quite some time. In fact, its the one server in our > lab with the highest uptime, until this weekend. > > We didn't lose any data other than the operating system so I can bring > the system down for testing, pulling cards, etc... > > My question is, under this typical data center environment, what is > the average lifespan of a SCSI card (or a SATA card)? Actually, reliability & failure analysis is my particular area of specialty and I deal with it every day, so I may be able to shed a little light on the subject. Using a measure of "average lifespan" is an overly simplistic measure that really doesn't tell you everything you need to know to determine whether a particular failure is abnormally early (or late) compared to comparable units elsewhere. Failures can occur over a range of operating times (or cycles, miles, or other measures of life utilization), and there is usually some sort of characteristic curve (a.k.a. a statistical "distribution") to describe the variation. Recall the "bell curve" that teachers usually referred to when grading tests? That's called a "normal distribution" and is only one of many types of distributions that can describe the spread of a set of mathematical data. Let's say you have just an "average lifespan" of 8 years. If you assume that lifespans are normally distributed, then a standard deviation (a measure of the width of that "bell curve") of +/- 1 year would give you radically different results than a standard deviation of +/- 4 years. The first scenario would mean your card would have failed before something like 90% of it's peers, whereas the second would mean that only ~55% of it's peers have not yet failed. In the case of solid-state electronics, it has long been known that the bulk of the failures occur in a pattern known as "infant mortality" (and the name does come from human death studies). That means that failures occur with decreasing frequency with time, and the longer it lasts, the longer it's going to last. That being said, it they are subjected to some external factor (excessive overheating, vibration, etc.), failures can also be externally induced. So, without having specific data to refer to, I'd be inclined to say that 6 years isn't bad amount of service life to get out of that card, but the question of whether the other ones are about to fail is much more difficult to answer. The biggest factor that you could answer is if the other components were in fact exposed to excessive heat, vibration, or other deleterious effects that could lead to a failure. Al Lesmerises From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Jul 22 22:24:03 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Jul 22 22:24:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Average lifespan of an Adaptec SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <4A67C33D.1040500@satx.rr.com> References: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> <4A67C33D.1040500@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A67D7D3.2000608@shub-internet.org> on 7/22/09 8:56 PM, Alan Lesmerises said: > In the case of solid-state electronics, it has long been known that the > bulk of the failures occur in a pattern known as "infant mortality" (and > the name does come from human death studies). That means that failures > occur with decreasing frequency with time, and the longer it lasts, the > longer it's going to last. That being said, it they are subjected to > some external factor (excessive overheating, vibration, etc.), failures > can also be externally induced. In my experience, it is more typically called a "bathtub curve", because it looks like a bathtub in profile -- high on one end, low in the middle, and then climbing back to high again at the end. Planned obsolescence is a very real principle that is used by most companies these days when they design their products, such that they really do tend to start failing a little after the warranty has expired. Yes, the Engineers have gotten good enough with their design tradeoffs and other techniques, that they can come statistically quite close to whatever warranty policies that the business types want to implement. Of course, there are plenty of other factors to be considered, but that does describe what I've seen as an overall trend. > So, without having specific data to refer to, I'd be inclined to say > that 6 years isn't bad amount of service life to get out of that card, > but the question of whether the other ones are about to fail is much > more difficult to answer. Consider this -- for the last several generations, designs have been getting generationally better roughly every 18 months, with the cycles slowly getting shorter (so that we're getting closer to 12 month generations). In that paradigm, the SCSI card that lasted six years equates to a hardware device that has lived through four generations. Now, when you are the fourth generation in your family (and in your 80s, because human generations are about twenty years), tell me how likely you are to be working well? It's had a good life. Time to give it a good burial and go buy a replacement. If you want exactly the same device, or even something just compatible, you're going to have a hard time finding it since most of those will probably have died or been recycled already. You may even end up having to completely replace the entire computer system in question, because you just can't find decent hardware that is compatible with equipment that old. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Jul 22 23:28:56 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Jul 22 23:28:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Average lifespan of an Adaptec SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <4A67D7D3.2000608@shub-internet.org> References: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> <4A67C33D.1040500@satx.rr.com> <4A67D7D3.2000608@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A67E708.5000004@satx.rr.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/22/09 8:56 PM, Alan Lesmerises said: >> In the case of solid-state electronics, it has long been known that >> the bulk of the failures occur in a pattern known as "infant >> mortality" (and the name does come from human death studies). That >> means that failures occur with decreasing frequency with time, and >> the longer it lasts, the longer it's going to last. That being said, >> it they are subjected to some external factor (excessive overheating, >> vibration, etc.), failures can also be externally induced. > In my experience, it is more typically called a "bathtub curve", > because it looks like a bathtub in profile -- high on one end, low in > the middle, and then climbing back to high again at the end. > > Planned obsolescence is a very real principle that is used by most > companies these days when they design their products, such that they > really do tend to start failing a little after the warranty has > expired. Yes, the Engineers have gotten good enough with their design > tradeoffs and other techniques, that they can come statistically quite > close to whatever warranty policies that the business types want to > implement. > > Of course, there are plenty of other factors to be considered, but > that does describe what I've seen as an overall trend. Yes, that 'climbing back' as you call it _can_ happen, and it is referred-to as "wear-out". However, there needs to be some physics behind that wear-out. For example, the tires on your car wear out because the rubber is worn away during its life. Similarly, mechanical parts that experience some sort of physical contact with other parts will slowly (or maybe quickly) be worn down in service. But solid state electronics (like a PCB) aren't usually exposed to conditions that result in wear-out, but there are exceptions (often due to thermal cycling or mechanical vibration). There was a study conducted back in the 1960's by people in the Aerospace Industry to validate some of the assumptions about the nature of failures, and one of the major conclusions was that the "bathtub curve" that most people thought was so common actually occurs only a small fraction of the time (about 4% of all failures). It actually turned out that infant mortality (without wear-out failures later in life as in a bathtub curve) actually accounted for about 68% of all failures. The group that commissioned that study was called MSG-3 (if I remember correctly), and the results were discussed in a report called "Reliability-Centered Maintenance" (RCM for short) written Stanley F. Nowlan & Howard F. Heap. RCM is now a standard basis for the planning of aircraft maintenance around the world, and is used in a wide variety of other industries as well. I know this is a particularly specialized field and is pretty technical, but if anyone would be interested in learning more, I can provide more details and direct you to resources available on the Web. >> So, without having specific data to refer to, I'd be inclined to say >> that 6 years isn't bad amount of service life to get out of that >> card, but the question of whether the other ones are about to fail is >> much more difficult to answer. > Consider this -- for the last several generations, designs have been > getting generationally better roughly every 18 months, with the cycles > slowly getting shorter (so that we're getting closer to 12 month > generations). > > In that paradigm, the SCSI card that lasted six years equates to a > hardware device that has lived through four generations. Now, when > you are the fourth generation in your family (and in your 80s, because > human generations are about twenty years), tell me how likely you are > to be working well? > > It's had a good life. Time to give it a good burial and go buy a > replacement. > > If you want exactly the same device, or even something just > compatible, you're going to have a hard time finding it since most of > those will probably have died or been recycled already. > > You may even end up having to completely replace the entire computer > system in question, because you just can't find decent hardware that > is compatible with equipment that old. I concur completely. Al Lesmerises From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 23 06:54:47 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 23 06:54:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A684F87.5060205@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Kevin Buckner wrote: > >> You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I >> want real >> expertise and not just a paper title. I think certification and the >> home lab >> will be necessary for real linux expertise. Does anyone know of any open >> source linux projects they would recommend? > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Now, where did I hear that recommendation before, Prof Dubbs? ;-) -Geoff From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Jul 23 06:57:02 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Jul 23 06:57:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Al Castanoli wrote: > On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 11:36 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Kevin Buckner wrote: >> >> >>> You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want real >>> expertise and not just a paper title. I think certification and the home lab >>> will be necessary for real linux expertise. Does anyone know of any open >>> source linux projects they would recommend? >>> >> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ >> >> -- Bruce >> > > I'll second Bruce's recommendation... I'd been running AT&T and BSD > flavors of UNIX since 1983 and switched from NetBSD to Linux when the > 1.0 kernel came out, but didn't really understand Linux until I built a > Linux from Scratch box and tuned it for different jobs. Are my posts to SATLUG getting through? on 7-18-2009 I wrote: Kevin Buckner wrote: > > So here is my question: By volunteering on open source projects could I build expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? Or better yet getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I did want to support in a hands on way. Please advise. > > > I don't have experience in the field, but am told that the best way to learn the most about Linux, is to build your own, from scratch. The Linux From Scratch project (LFS) would probably be your best learning bet. -Geoff From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Thu Jul 23 10:23:03 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Thu Jul 23 10:23:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions Message-ID: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Okay, as some of you know I'm new to town and am looking for a job. I had a phone screening with Rackspace and later today am supposed to get a second one. I am kind of nervous but does anyone have any ideas of things I should refresh on before I take the screening? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Subject: Date: -- How Strong is Your Score? Click here to see yours for $0! By FreeCreditReport.com From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 10:50:56 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Thu Jul 23 10:50:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: I got quite a bit of recommendations for Linux from Scratch as an open source project. This wont go unheeded. However, I dont know much about Gentoo Linux and I sure would like to. Do this allow a person to learn how to remaster DVDs as well? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Geoff wrote: > Al Castanoli wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 11:36 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > > >> Kevin Buckner wrote: > >> > >> > >>> You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I > want real > >>> expertise and not just a paper title. I think certification and the > home lab > >>> will be necessary for real linux expertise. Does anyone know of any > open > >>> source linux projects they would recommend? > >>> > >> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ > >> > >> -- Bruce > >> > > > > I'll second Bruce's recommendation... I'd been running AT&T and BSD > > flavors of UNIX since 1983 and switched from NetBSD to Linux when the > > 1.0 kernel came out, but didn't really understand Linux until I built a > > Linux from Scratch box and tuned it for different jobs. > > Are my posts to SATLUG getting through? > > on 7-18-2009 I wrote: > > Kevin Buckner wrote: > > > > So here is my question: By volunteering on open source projects could I > build expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? Or better > yet getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I did want to > support in a hands on way. Please advise. > > > > > > > I don't have experience in the field, but am told that the best way to > learn the most about Linux, is to build your own, from scratch. > > The Linux From Scratch project (LFS) would probably be your best > learning bet. > > -Geoff > > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 11:06:21 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Thu Jul 23 11:06:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise Message-ID: I really want to get more involved in supporting Linux as a desktop OS. Now I think the bifggest hurdle to overcome is device drivers and wireless networking. Most people dont have any idea about how to correct device drivers and want to be able to do a few mouse clicks and be surfing the net. Anybody think of standard device drivers and wifi access on linux? Could you totally depend on linux as a desktop without dual booting with windows xp/vista? I hope I can get more exposure with desktop support of linux here in the users group. I welcome the challenge. From afcasta at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 23 11:51:39 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Jul 23 11:51:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1248367899.27187.2.camel@phrodo> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 06:57 -0500, Geoff wrote: [...] > Are my posts to SATLUG getting through? > on 7-18-2009 I wrote: > Kevin Buckner wrote: > > > So here is my question: By volunteering on open source projects could I build expertise in linux or by starting a home test lab instead? Or better yet getting linux + certified is the way to expertise. I did want to support in a hands on way. Please advise. > I don't have experience in the field, but am told that the best way to > learn the most about Linux, is to build your own, from scratch. > The Linux From Scratch project (LFS) would probably be your best > learning bet. > -Geoff I've got your posts back to April 26th, and didn't get one from you on July 18th. Al Castanoli From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 13:07:22 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Jul 23 13:07:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4A68A6DA.5020700@gmail.com> I run a complete home network under Ubuntu - 3 machines and a 4th on the sidelines; one dual-boot with XP, and the network controller contains a virtual box running XP, Kubuntu and Fedora. Much of this is just for fun, but a lot is also for learning/trial/error; but I've also taken much of what I've learned there to my open source project at work. I'm not feeling ready to pursue a Linux cert yet, but I'm sure my home setup will help when I am... Cheers; Ed ============== Kevin Buckner wrote: > You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want > real expertise and not just a paper title. > I think certification and the home lab will be necessary for real linux > expertise. Does anyone know of any > open source linux projects they would recommend? > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > > >> on 7/18/09 8:54 PM, ed said: >> >> In my world, we call these "paper technicians." They may know how to >> >>> browse a book and pass a test, just but choke when the interviewer as them >>> to describe or demonstrate a memory upgrade... :P >>> >>> >> That's one of the things about most of the Red Hat certs. There is a >> theoretical side, and a practical side. If you can't demonstrate the >> practical side under the gun trying to fix 23 different problems in a ten >> minute period of time (or whatever), then you fail the cert. >> Of course, once someone gets the cert, that doesn't mean that they won't >> flunk the job interview. And even if they do pass the interview with flying >> colors and they have all the right certs, they could still be a very >> unpleasant person to work with or for. >> >> So, you've got to keep all these factors in mind. >> >> -- >> Brad Knowles >> LinkedIn Profile: >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 23 13:08:33 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Jul 23 13:08:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:57:02 -0500, Geoff wrote: >Are my posts to SATLUG getting through? > >on 7-18-2009 I wrote: >I don't have experience in the field, but am told that the best way to >learn the most about Linux, is to build your own, from scratch. > >The Linux From Scratch project (LFS) would probably be your best >learning bet. I received that message, but I think your suggestion got lost in the extended discussion of the value of certifications. Message [1]threading shows nobody replied to it. Once the cert. discussion wound down, folks were ready to listen to less controversial suggestions. If anyone wants to check what was sent or replied, the mailing list archive is the second item on the left at www.satlug.org. --Don [1] http://www.satlug.org/pipermail/satlug/2009-July/thread.html -- www.satlug.org - The official reference for SATLUG matters. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 13:13:31 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Jul 23 13:13:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A68A84B.9000308@gmail.com> > Are my posts to SATLUG getting through? > yep. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 13:17:46 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Thu Jul 23 13:18:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A68A6DA.5020700@gmail.com> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A68A6DA.5020700@gmail.com> Message-ID: Going back to the original subject asked, I would say that there are really only two certifications that will matter in the industry today. RHCE is well known and respected, and you will find many jobs that ask for it. Sun Solaris certification is one that is often overlooked but very lucrative if you make the right moves. By this I mean that if you become Sun Solaris certified and attain the proper government/DoD/military clearances (TS/SCI. etc.) you will have excellent job stability with very high pay rates compared to the industry in general. You are 'pigeon-holing' yourself in a way with Solaris since there are not as many positions out there versus Red Hat admins, but generally the pay is higher overall to much higher in cleared environments. E On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:07 PM, ed wrote: > I run a complete home network under Ubuntu - 3 machines and a 4th on the > sidelines; one dual-boot with XP, and the network controller contains a > virtual box running XP, Kubuntu and Fedora. > > Much of this is just for fun, but a lot is also for learning/trial/error; > but I've also taken much of what I've learned there to my open source > project at work. I'm not feeling ready to pursue a Linux cert yet, but I'm > sure my home setup will help when I am... > > Cheers; > Ed > ============== > > Kevin Buckner wrote: > >> You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want >> real expertise and not just a paper title. >> I think certification and the home lab will be necessary for real linux >> expertise. Does anyone know of any >> open source linux projects they would recommend? >> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Brad Knowles > >wrote: >> >> >> >>> on 7/18/09 8:54 PM, ed said: >>> >>> In my world, we call these "paper technicians." They may know how to >>> >>> >>>> browse a book and pass a test, just but choke when the interviewer as >>>> them >>>> to describe or demonstrate a memory upgrade... :P >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> That's one of the things about most of the Red Hat certs. There is a >>> theoretical side, and a practical side. If you can't demonstrate the >>> practical side under the gun trying to fix 23 different problems in a ten >>> minute period of time (or whatever), then you fail the cert. >>> Of course, once someone gets the cert, that doesn't mean that they won't >>> flunk the job interview. And even if they do pass the interview with >>> flying >>> colors and they have all the right certs, they could still be a very >>> unpleasant person to work with or for. >>> >>> So, you've got to keep all these factors in mind. >>> >>> -- >>> Brad Knowles >>> LinkedIn Profile: >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >>> >> -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 13:25:53 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Jul 23 13:26:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A68AB31.4040604@gmail.com> Kevin Buckner wrote: > I really want to get more involved in supporting Linux as a desktop OS. Now I think the bifggest hurdle to overcome is device drivers and wireless networking. Most people dont have any idea about how to correct > device drivers and want to be able to do a few mouse clicks and be surfing the net. Anybody think of standard device drivers and wifi access on linux? Could you totally depend on linux as a desktop without dual booting with windows xp/vista? > I do. The only reason I have any Winderz on my home network, at all, is for visitors too set in their ways (or afraid) to use my workstations. I've used Ubuntu, at work, on my classroom administrative workstation, for nearly 2 years now, and have had another Ubuntu machine up and running on our Active Directory domain for about three months. I'd say, with some assurance, that it can be done, and would be willing to demonstrate in if desired. Cheers; Ed =========== > I hope I can get more exposure with desktop support of linux here in the > users group. I welcome the challenge. > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 17:22:35 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Thu Jul 23 17:22:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <841451.2514.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -------------------------------------- https://www.paylikeus.com --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Kenneth Cluck wrote: > From: Kenneth Cluck > Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 11:23 AM > Okay, as some of you know I'm new to > town and am looking for a job. I > had a phone screening with Rackspace and later today am > supposed to get a > second one. I am kind of nervous but does anyone have any > ideas of things > I should refresh on before I take the screening? > rofl, there are a buch of rackers in the list, they might as well advice the screener on what not to ask. you won't get significantly better overnight either. just be you, relax and don't forget to breathe, if you do a phone interview, don't try to google for answers. I hope you did not go beyond repair in your resume. good luck, enrique. From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Jul 23 17:28:40 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Jul 23 17:29:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A68E418.2000707@shub-internet.org> on 7/23/09 10:23 AM, Kenneth Cluck said: > Okay, as some of you know I'm new to town and am looking for a job. I > had a phone screening with Rackspace and later today am supposed to get a > second one. I am kind of nervous but does anyone have any ideas of things > I should refresh on before I take the screening? Part of the problem you're going to have is that there are several Rackers on the list, so I'm not sure how much feedback or discussion you're going to get on this subject. The only people who might be likely to respond to you would be the people who don't think they have any likelihood of ever getting a job there, so they don't have to worry about offending anyone, etc.... -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From siffland at nerdshack.com Thu Jul 23 18:09:57 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Thu Jul 23 18:09:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Kenneth Cluck wrote: > ?Okay, as some of you know I'm new to town and am looking for a job. I > had a phone screening with Rackspace and later today am supposed to get a > second one. I am kind of nervous but does anyone have any ideas of things > I should refresh on before I take the screening? > Probably to late but: know what ports 69 110 143 873 177 993 and 995 are uptime gives load values know the locate command (locate database update) grep stands for (G)lobal (R)egular (E)xpression (P)arser What the sticky bit is how to suspend an active process now to nice and renice up2date options 3 entries in httpd.conf to turn on php basic sendmail functions other stuff is just basic knowledge. Sean From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 23 18:48:45 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Jul 23 18:48:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1248392925.23720.4.camel@james-desktop> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 11:06 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > I really want to get more involved in supporting Linux as a desktop OS. Now > I think the bifggest hurdle to > overcome is device drivers and wireless networking. Most people dont have > any idea about how to correct > device drivers and want to be able to do a few mouse clicks and be surfing > the net. Anybody think of standard > device drivers and wifi access on linux? Could you totally depend on linux > as a desktop without dual booting > with windows xp/vista? > > I hope I can get more exposure with desktop support of linux here in the > users group. I welcome the challenge. I use Kubuntu exclusively on my home machines. I do have an XP VM and also run a couple of Windows apps under wine. I support Windows and have to use it, but not at home. In fact, before I was caught up in the lay-offs at Clear Channel, I ran a couple of Linux distros and was able to join the domain, use exchange with Evolution, and complete all tasks assigned to me. From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 18:58:49 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Thu Jul 23 18:58:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Probably been beaten to death, but.... Message-ID: <869de8470907231658p1dedb04cs58eed496afcde548@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking for recommendations on building a low-power router for my network. My WRT54G w/dd-wrt is becoming unstable, not always coming back from a reboot, not always pumping the WAN interface for an IP, etc... I want to build a router out of standard PC parts, but want to build something that's flexible where I can add and remove NIC cards without having to recompile the images on the disk to add/remove software from the router. I want something low power and I have several CF cards ~64MB and a 4GB microdrive (with IDE adapters) that I was wanting to use instead of a regular IDE drive. The end goal is something that's not gonna kill my power bill but something that I can customize relatively easily. I'm also looking forward to using MRTG from another machine to poll the interfaces so SNMP is a must. What do you all recommend? What do you use? Any specific hardware/software configurations that I should consider or stay away from? Enquiring minds want to know! Thanks in advance! FIRESTORM_v1 From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 20:18:53 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Jul 23 20:18:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> One of my interview topics was describe the boot sequence from power on to OS load. Also had some questions about initrds, kernel compiles, how to enable/disable services, and configuring common hosting services (http, mysql, imap, pop). Did the questions get easier or something? ;) -Henry On 7/23/09, Sean I wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Kenneth Cluck wrote: >> ?Okay, as some of you know I'm new to town and am looking for a job. I >> had a phone screening with Rackspace and later today am supposed to get a >> second one. I am kind of nervous but does anyone have any ideas of things >> I should refresh on before I take the screening? >> > > Probably to late but: > > know what ports 69 110 143 873 177 993 and 995 are > > uptime gives load values > > know the locate command (locate database update) > > grep stands for (G)lobal (R)egular (E)xpression (P)arser > > What the sticky bit is > > how to suspend an active process > > now to nice and renice > > up2date options > > 3 entries in httpd.conf to turn on php > > basic sendmail functions > > other stuff is just basic knowledge. > > Sean > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 20:23:18 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Jul 23 20:23:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A690D06.40009@gmail.com> Sean I wrote: > grep stands for (G)lobal (R)egular (E)xpression (P)arser Except it is the command letters from the ed editor that stood for Global Regular Expression *Print* -- Bruce From siffland at nerdshack.com Thu Jul 23 20:26:32 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Thu Jul 23 20:26:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Probably been beaten to death, but.... In-Reply-To: <869de8470907231658p1dedb04cs58eed496afcde548@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470907231658p1dedb04cs58eed496afcde548@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00907231826r480c01dkc1686b5c5cba0384@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:58 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations on building a low-power router for my > network. ?My WRT54G w/dd-wrt is becoming unstable, not always coming > back from a reboot, not always pumping the WAN interface for an IP, > etc... > > I want to build a router out of standard PC parts, but want to build > something that's flexible where I can add and remove NIC cards without > having to recompile the images on the disk to add/remove software from > the router. I want something low power and I have several CF cards > ~64MB and a 4GB microdrive (with IDE adapters) ?that I was wanting to > use instead of a regular IDE drive. > > The end goal is something that's not gonna kill my power bill but > something that I can customize relatively easily. ?I'm also looking > forward to using MRTG from another machine to poll the interfaces so > SNMP is a must. > > What do you all recommend? What do you use? Any specific > hardware/software configurations that I should consider or stay away > from? Enquiring minds want to know! > > Thanks in advance! > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > -- http://www.pfsense.com/ From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Jul 23 20:35:26 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Jul 23 20:35:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Probably been beaten to death, but.... In-Reply-To: <869de8470907231658p1dedb04cs58eed496afcde548@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470907231658p1dedb04cs58eed496afcde548@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1248399326.23720.6.camel@james-desktop> > What do you all recommend? What do you use? Any specific > hardware/software configurations that I should consider or stay away > from? Enquiring minds want to know! > > Thanks in advance! > > > FIRESTORM_v1 http://www.zotacusa.com/products/motherboards/intel These use atom procs and usually pretty easy on the power bill... From trunty at linuxismybff.com Thu Jul 23 20:48:09 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Thu Jul 23 20:48:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <4A690D06.40009@gmail.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> <4A690D06.40009@gmail.com> Message-ID: As a racker I'd say to prepare technically as much as possible, focus on Redhat specific terms and utilities. Also, be sure to express your character and show that you are FANATICAL about learning and giving 110 percent to exceed the customers expectations. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Sean I wrote: > > grep stands for (G)lobal (R)egular (E)xpression (P)arser >> > > Except it is the command letters from the ed editor that stood for Global > Regular Expression *Print* > > -- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 21:29:14 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Jul 23 21:29:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user Message-ID: <200907232129.14658.jdchoate@gmail.com> I have often used 'vi' for editing files, all as root. I am familiar with pressing the 'insert' key to get into insert mode and 'esc' to return to command mode. The letter 'i' can do the same thing. I recently tried to edit a file as my regular user and found that I cannot enable the insert mode by either pressing the 'insert' key or the 'i' key. I have not found any documentation to explain this. Can anyone explain this? A couple of requests: 1. I have Googled this and found nothing specifying any difference between using 'vi' as root or as a user (so please don't reply with "google it"). All results seem to indicate that pressing either 'insert' or 'i' will simply do what it is supposed to. 2. I am interested in a solution to this particular problem, so please don't waste your keystrokes to tell me to use emacs. :) <<<--- friendly smile. I am not being grumpy, I just want this thread to stay on topic. John C. From trunty at linuxismybff.com Thu Jul 23 21:35:40 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Thu Jul 23 21:35:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <200907232129.14658.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200907232129.14658.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: Does the user you are using have write permissions to the file? If not 'vi' will open it as read-only... On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:29 PM, John D Choate wrote: > I have often used 'vi' for editing files, all as root. I am familiar with > pressing the 'insert' key to get into insert mode and 'esc' to return to > command mode. The letter 'i' can do the same thing. > I recently tried to edit a file as my regular user and found that I cannot > enable the insert mode by either pressing the 'insert' key or the 'i' key. I > have not found any documentation to explain this. > Can anyone explain this? > A couple of requests: > 1. I have Googled this and found nothing specifying any difference between > using 'vi' as root or as a user (so please don't reply with "google it"). > All results seem to indicate that pressing either 'insert' or 'i' will > simply do what it is supposed to. > 2. I am interested in a solution to this particular problem, so please > don't waste your keystrokes to tell me to use emacs. :) <<<--- friendly > smile. I am not being grumpy, I just want this thread to stay on topic. > > John C. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 21:45:17 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Jul 23 21:45:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: References: <200907232129.14658.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907232145.17165.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 23 July 2009 21:35:40 Travis Runty wrote: > Does the user you are using have write permissions to the file? If not 'vi' > will open it as read-only... > Oh yeah. My user did the following, for instance. touch test.rc vi test.rc I can type stuff, but cannot backspace or delete as is possible in insert mode. I also cannot move the cursor with the arrow keys. I can do ZZ or :wq to exit and the changes to the file are saved. If I do the same process as root, I can press 'i' or 'insert' and have -- INSERT -- appear at the bottom of 'vi' and all arrows and backspace/delete function normally in insert mode. From chrishudson at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 22:00:38 2009 From: chrishudson at gmail.com (Chris Hudson) Date: Thu Jul 23 22:00:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user Message-ID: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> Not sure what the issue is, but just wanted to mention that you shouldn't have to use the arrow keys to move around in Vi. The j and k keys will move you up and down, and w and b will move you forward and backward a word at a time. More here: http://forums.serverbeach.com/showthread.php?t=4610 -- chud > Oh yeah. My user did the following, for instance. touch test.rc vi test.rc I can type stuff, but cannot backspace or delete as is possible in insert mode. I also cannot move the cursor with the arrow keys. I can do ZZ or :wq to exit and the changes to the file are saved. If I do the same process as root, I can press 'i' or 'insert' and have -- INSERT -- appear at the bottom of 'vi' and all arrows and backspace/delete function normally in insert mode. From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 22:22:47 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Jul 23 22:22:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] testing Message-ID: <200907232222.47230.jdchoate@gmail.com> This is only a test. From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 22:56:18 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Jul 23 22:56:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] testing again Message-ID: <200907232256.18498.jdchoate@gmail.com> testing once more From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 23:12:23 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John Choate) Date: Thu Jul 23 23:12:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] testing again In-Reply-To: <200907232256.18498.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200907232256.18498.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: Trying to get gmail IMAP account to allow my posts to be downloaded to my mail client. So far I have succeeded in sending mail directly to myself, but these test postings to SATLUG are not being received. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John D Choate wrote: > testing once more > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jul 24 00:06:42 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 24 00:06:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] Average lifespan of an Adaptec SCSI card? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0907220758p5e134264y8b499005e4bc68db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907240006.42289.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 22 July 2009 09:58:00 am X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio wrote: > After 6 years of faithful service, our Adaptec SCSI adaptor (Adaptec > 3410S Ultra160 4 channel) may have bit the dust. Over the weekend, 2 > of the 6 drives failed and were marked as Dead. I have replaced those, > however, the server keeps kernel panicing at random intervals with > regards to the dpt_i2o driver (kernel SCSI driver). I would put the card in another machine and verify if it's actually bad or not. It's more likely that the motherboard bus chips overheated and went south before the SCSI card. The other suggestions on the list about cleaning the edge connector and reseating the card and what not are good ones.. > My question is, under this typical data center environment, what is > the average lifespan of a SCSI card (or a SATA card)? once a card (or any not overly hot chip/card device) is adequately "burned in".. it usually has a longer lifespan than you (unless is has a lot of electrolytic caps that run the risk of drying out and stopping). Check it in another machine.. (as well as you cables, clean the connector, etc). Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jul 24 00:09:07 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 24 00:10:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: FM Blocker for HDTV OTA? In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70907131929i64f4ac13pe86756d6b0701f1f@mail.gmail.com> <200907162352.09621.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200907240009.07394.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 18 July 2009 11:17:35 am Kevin Buckner wrote: > what in store for this month at XCSSA meeting? We had: # Plasma (High Voltage) Fractals:: By Fredrik # DIY Network Attached Storage (NAS) System: By Tim # Battery Technology Talk By Chalres Strang (pres of Propbusters SA) Shold keep an eye on the web site, or subscribe to the mail list if you don't want to miss out in the future. :) Tweeks > Reggie > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Tweeks wrote: > > [HDTV Technical Inner Workings] > > We just had a really great in depth talk on HD technology (down to the > > carrier > > side bands, encoding, distances & powers involved) at XCSSA last month by > > Bruce Tomlin. :) > > > > Tweeks > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jul 24 00:19:34 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 24 00:19:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Probably been beaten to death, but.... In-Reply-To: <869de8470907231658p1dedb04cs58eed496afcde548@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470907231658p1dedb04cs58eed496afcde548@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907240019.34660.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 23 July 2009 06:58:49 pm FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations on building a low-power router for my > network. My WRT54G w/dd-wrt is becoming unstable, not always coming > back from a reboot, not always pumping the WAN interface for an IP, > etc... [...] http://xcssa.org/files/XCSSA-SOHO-Firewall-DMZ-Web/img0.html Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jul 24 00:25:43 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 24 00:25:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <4A690D06.40009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907240025.43975.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 23 July 2009 08:48:09 pm Travis Runty wrote: > As a racker I'd say to prepare technically as much as possible, focus on > Redhat specific terms and utilities. Also, be sure to express your > character and show that you are FANATICAL about learning and giving 110 > percent to exceed the customers expectations. Personally.. I never expect anyone to give more than 100%. People who say they do are either liars.. jocks or salesmen.. ;) For tech positions, I actually look for candidates who are both VERY smart.. and lazy. Those are the types who automate, script.. and as a result do the work of ten geeks. :) Geeks who are a little smart but not lazy.. those are what I call "point-n-clickers".. or Windows geeks. But hey, we hire those too. :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Jul 24 00:31:35 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Jul 24 00:31:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907240031.35940.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 23 July 2009 08:18:53 pm Henry Pugsley wrote: > One of my interview topics was describe the boot sequence from power > on to OS load. Also had some questions about initrds, kernel compiles, > how to enable/disable services, and configuring common hosting > services (http, mysql, imap, pop). Hey Henry! Still alive? Who interviewed YOU back in 2002/2003? :) > Did the questions get easier or something? ;) If a candidate shows promise in my interview (which I've been told are tough).. and they seem interested in diving deeper into a question.. I'll go off script and dive as deep as they're comfortable. This usually ends in either the candidate getting stumped, or me learning something new. Either way it's more fun that way. :) But then that's why I started at Rackspace.. to surround myself with people smarter than me. :) Tweeks From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jul 24 00:52:30 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jul 24 00:52:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A694C1E.8090703@shub-internet.org> on 7/23/09 10:00 PM, Chris Hudson said: > Not sure what the issue is, but just wanted to mention that you shouldn't > have to use the arrow keys to move around in Vi. > The j and k keys will move you up and down, and w and b will move you > forward and backward a word at a time. Indeed, being dependent on the extra keys working (like insert, cursor keys, etc...) is a crutch that you want to stay away from. There are times when your terminal settings are badly enough messed up that you simply can't type these key sequences at all, or if you do type them then they don't have the effect you want. With vi, you really, really want to learn the original native commands and sequences for everything. Also, don't get wrapped up in vim extensions (like color syntax parsing, or whatever), because vim is not universal, whereas the core vi stuff is pretty universal. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jul 24 00:55:56 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jul 24 00:56:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <200907240031.35940.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> <200907240031.35940.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4A694CEC.4060308@shub-internet.org> on 7/24/09 12:31 AM, Tweeks said: > If a candidate shows promise in my interview (which I've been told are > tough).. and they seem interested in diving deeper into a question.. I'll go > off script and dive as deep as they're comfortable. This usually ends in > either the candidate getting stumped, or me learning something new. > Either way it's more fun that way. :) I wish someone would have dived deep in my interview. They asked me rookie 1st year questions, and we both got bored quickly. But they didn't seem interested in asking anything that wasn't on the script, and there wasn't anything on the script that was more than just surface level. And then I never heard back. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 07:05:11 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Fri Jul 24 07:05:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <200907232145.17165.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <114116.95013.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Oh yeah. My user did the following, for instance. > > touch test.rc > vi test.rc > > I can type stuff, but cannot backspace or delete as is > possible in insert mode. I also cannot move the cursor with > the arrow keys. I can do ZZ or :wq to exit and the changes > to the file are saved. > If I do the same process as root, I can press 'i' or > 'insert' and have -- INSERT -- appear at the bottom of 'vi' > and all arrows and backspace/delete function normally in > insert mode. make sure root and the user have the same terminal settings. From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Fri Jul 24 08:37:58 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Fri Jul 24 08:38:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions Message-ID: <20090724133758.2B434326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks for all the help everyone :) I actually already took the pre-screening and everything went fine so I'm going into their office later today to meet some people and do some more interviewing. Thanks everyone and I'll be sure to refresh on what you all have said. So what usually happens when you actually go in? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tweeks To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:31:35 -0500 On Thursday 23 July 2009 08:18:53 pm Henry Pugsley wrote: > One of my interview topics was describe the boot sequence from power > on to OS load. Also had some questions about initrds, kernel compiles, > how to enable/disable services, and configuring common hosting > services (http, mysql, imap, pop). Hey Henry! Still alive? Who interviewed YOU back in 2002/2003? :) > Did the questions get easier or something? ;) If a candidate shows promise in my interview (which I've been told are tough).. and they seem interested in diving deeper into a question.. I'll go off script and dive as deep as they're comfortable. This usually ends in either the candidate getting stumped, or me learning something new. Either way it's more fun that way. :) But then that's why I started at Rackspace.. to surround myself with people smarter than me. :) Tweeks -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- How Strong is Your Score? Click here to see yours for $0! By FreeCreditReport.com From richard.maynard at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:39:49 2009 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Fri Jul 24 08:39:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c5b55440907240639v616ba9a9x3dc1f4c8410b3a1f@mail.gmail.com> Those questions Sean posted sound like the first ones that the recruiting group uses to make an initial assessment. There isn't an expectation that candidates will get all the first phone screening questions right, but they should have a strong showing. Then the teams that the person is applying for will do their interviews, this is where you can't really know what to expect because each team has its own way of handling them, and the technical resources from each team will ask the questions they feel important, which of course varies from team to team. -- Richard Maynard On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Henry Pugsley wrote: > One of my interview topics was describe the boot sequence from power > on to OS load. Also had some questions about initrds, kernel compiles, > how to enable/disable services, and configuring common hosting > services (http, mysql, imap, pop). > > Did the questions get easier or something? ;) > > -Henry > > > From matt at thegrahamfam.com Fri Jul 24 10:03:21 2009 From: matt at thegrahamfam.com (Matt Graham) Date: Fri Jul 24 10:03:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <2c5b55440907240639v616ba9a9x3dc1f4c8410b3a1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> <2c5b55440907240639v616ba9a9x3dc1f4c8410b3a1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Two questions I was asked yesterday during my interview... How long would you survive a Zombie Holocaust? and What is your Spirit Animal? Classic!!!! On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Richard Maynard wrote: > Those questions Sean posted sound like the first ones that the recruiting > group uses to make an initial assessment. There isn't an expectation that > candidates will get all the first phone screening questions right, but they > should have a strong showing. Then the teams that the person is applying > for > will do their interviews, this is where you can't really know what to > expect > because each team has its own way of handling them, and the technical > resources from each team will ask the questions they feel important, which > of course varies from team to team. > > -- > Richard Maynard > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Henry Pugsley >wrote: > > > One of my interview topics was describe the boot sequence from power > > on to OS load. Also had some questions about initrds, kernel compiles, > > how to enable/disable services, and configuring common hosting > > services (http, mysql, imap, pop). > > > > Did the questions get easier or something? ;) > > > > -Henry > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 10:23:03 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Jul 24 10:23:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> <2c5b55440907240639v616ba9a9x3dc1f4c8410b3a1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Now that is sweet...character is much more important than people realize. Glad to hear that someone asked those questions. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Matt Graham wrote: > Two questions I was asked yesterday during my interview... > > How long would you survive a Zombie Holocaust? > > and > > What is your Spirit Animal? > > Classic!!!! > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Richard Maynard > wrote: > > > Those questions Sean posted sound like the first ones that the recruiting > > group uses to make an initial assessment. There isn't an expectation that > > candidates will get all the first phone screening questions right, but > they > > should have a strong showing. Then the teams that the person is applying > > for > > will do their interviews, this is where you can't really know what to > > expect > > because each team has its own way of handling them, and the technical > > resources from each team will ask the questions they feel important, > which > > of course varies from team to team. > > > > -- > > Richard Maynard > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Henry Pugsley > >wrote: > > > > > One of my interview topics was describe the boot sequence from power > > > on to OS load. Also had some questions about initrds, kernel compiles, > > > how to enable/disable services, and configuring common hosting > > > services (http, mysql, imap, pop). > > > > > > Did the questions get easier or something? ;) > > > > > > -Henry > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 10:46:20 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Fri Jul 24 10:46:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: <1248392925.23720.4.camel@james-desktop> References: <1248392925.23720.4.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: I never used Kubuntu but I would like to have ubuntu to put on my laptop instead of using Vista. I see the value of going totally linux and want to do so even if it means no wifi. That is the only thing I dont know for sure what I would do without is wifi. I am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:48 PM, James Tiner wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 11:06 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > > I really want to get more involved in supporting Linux as a desktop OS. > Now > > I think the bifggest hurdle to > > overcome is device drivers and wireless networking. Most people dont have > > any idea about how to correct > > device drivers and want to be able to do a few mouse clicks and be > surfing > > the net. Anybody think of standard > > device drivers and wifi access on linux? Could you totally depend on > linux > > as a desktop without dual booting > > with windows xp/vista? > > > > I hope I can get more exposure with desktop support of linux here in the > > users group. I welcome the challenge. > > I use Kubuntu exclusively on my home machines. I do have an XP VM and > also run a couple of Windows apps under wine. > > I support Windows and have to use it, but not at home. In fact, before I > was caught up in the lay-offs at Clear Channel, I ran a couple of Linux > distros and was able to join the domain, use exchange with Evolution, > and complete all tasks assigned to me. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From sirjaggy29 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 10:56:37 2009 From: sirjaggy29 at gmail.com (Kevin Buckner) Date: Fri Jul 24 10:56:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A68A6DA.5020700@gmail.com> Message-ID: I did not miss the answer about linux from scratch at all. I saw it before I saw all the other comments. However about certifications, I like Solaris a lot and I did for a pet project make a laptop Solaris Express Developer Edition dual boot with Open Suse. I had nothing to go by since most of the documentation I saw was for windows and linux dual boot. I could use Solaris for 80% of my computing needs but had to use linux when I could not find any solaris x86 software I could use for a task. I think Solaris certification would be worthwhile to get and I am willing to do so. I was thinking of getting certified on linux or solaris but I going to do both now for sure. Solaris is secure and rock solid as an operating system. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Going back to the original subject asked, I would say that there are really > only two certifications that will matter in the industry today. RHCE is > well > known and respected, and you will find many jobs that ask for it. Sun > Solaris certification is one that is often overlooked but very lucrative if > you make the right moves. By this I mean that if you become Sun Solaris > certified and attain the proper government/DoD/military clearances (TS/SCI. > etc.) you will have excellent job stability with very high pay rates > compared to the industry in general. You are 'pigeon-holing' yourself in a > way with Solaris since there are not as many positions out there versus Red > Hat admins, but generally the pay is higher overall to much higher in > cleared environments. > > E > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:07 PM, ed wrote: > > > I run a complete home network under Ubuntu - 3 machines and a 4th on the > > sidelines; one dual-boot with XP, and the network controller contains a > > virtual box running XP, Kubuntu and Fedora. > > > > Much of this is just for fun, but a lot is also for learning/trial/error; > > but I've also taken much of what I've learned there to my open source > > project at work. I'm not feeling ready to pursue a Linux cert yet, but > I'm > > sure my home setup will help when I am... > > > > Cheers; > > Ed > > ============== > > > > Kevin Buckner wrote: > > > >> You hit the nail on the head about paper technicians. That is why I want > >> real expertise and not just a paper title. > >> I think certification and the home lab will be necessary for real linux > >> expertise. Does anyone know of any > >> open source linux projects they would recommend? > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Brad Knowles >> >wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> on 7/18/09 8:54 PM, ed said: > >>> > >>> In my world, we call these "paper technicians." They may know how to > >>> > >>> > >>>> browse a book and pass a test, just but choke when the interviewer as > >>>> them > >>>> to describe or demonstrate a memory upgrade... :P > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> That's one of the things about most of the Red Hat certs. There is a > >>> theoretical side, and a practical side. If you can't demonstrate the > >>> practical side under the gun trying to fix 23 different problems in a > ten > >>> minute period of time (or whatever), then you fail the cert. > >>> Of course, once someone gets the cert, that doesn't mean that they > won't > >>> flunk the job interview. And even if they do pass the interview with > >>> flying > >>> colors and they have all the right certs, they could still be a very > >>> unpleasant person to work with or for. > >>> > >>> So, you've got to keep all these factors in mind. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Brad Knowles > >>> LinkedIn Profile: > >>> -- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SATLUG mailing list > >>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Fri Jul 24 11:00:28 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Fri Jul 24 11:00:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise Message-ID: <20090724160028.4F52D478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Ubuntu has a built-in network manager and it works with a lot of wireless cards so you should be fine there. I didn't want to deal with it either when I went to slackware so I had a hard-wired connection than installed wicd for my network manager and it works fine, but like I said, the Ubuntu distros has one in it already so you shouldn't have to worry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Buckner" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:46:20 -0500 I never used Kubuntu but I would like to have ubuntu to put on my laptop instead of using Vista. I see the value of going totally linux and want to do so even if it means no wifi. That is the only thing I dont know for sure what I would do without is wifi. I am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:48 PM, James Tiner wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 11:06 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > > I really want to get more involved in supporting Linux as a desktop OS. > Now > > I think the bifggest hurdle to > > overcome is device drivers and wireless networking. Most people dont have > > any idea about how to correct > > device drivers and want to be able to do a few mouse clicks and be > surfing > > the net. Anybody think of standard > > device drivers and wifi access on linux? Could you totally depend on > linux > > as a desktop without dual booting > > with windows xp/vista? > > > > I hope I can get more exposure with desktop support of linux here in the > > users group. I welcome the challenge. > > I use Kubuntu exclusively on my home machines. I do have an XP VM and > also run a couple of Windows apps under wine. > > I support Windows and have to use it, but not at home. In fact, before I > was caught up in the lay-offs at Clear Channel, I ran a couple of Linux > distros and was able to join the domain, use exchange with Evolution, > and complete all tasks assigned to me. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- How Strong is Your Score? Click here to see yours for $0! By FreeCreditReport.com From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Jul 24 11:18:53 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Jul 24 11:18:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <1248367899.27187.2.camel@phrodo> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1248367899.27187.2.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <4A69DEED.6080109@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Al Castanoli wrote: > I've got your posts back to April 26th, and didn't get one from you on > July 18th. Odd... I've made a few comments here and there on different subjects... and felt as if I was being ignored. *shrug*. -- -Geoff From hc at lookcee.com Fri Jul 24 11:31:50 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Jul 24 11:31:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A69DEED.6080109@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <4A625367.8040800@shub-internet.org> <4A626020.5070103@gmail.com> <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1248367899.27187.2.camel@phrodo> <4A69DEED.6080109@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <4A69E1F6.3060808@lookcee.com> Geoff wrote: > Al Castanoli wrote: > >> I've got your posts back to April 26th, and didn't get one from you on >> July 18th. >> > > Odd... I've made a few comments here and there on different subjects... > and felt as if I was being ignored. > > *shrug*. > > -- > -Geoff > > I confess Geoff.... I read them tho. herb From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 12:33:40 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Fri Jul 24 12:33:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <584140.32037.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Matt Graham wrote: > From: Matt Graham > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 11:03 AM > Two questions I was asked yesterday > during my interview... > > How long would you survive a Zombie Holocaust? > > and > > What is your Spirit Animal? > > Classic!!!! > I guess I am too old for that position, would that stand in court in an age discriminatory suit ? ;) jk regards, enrique. -------------------------------------- https://www.paylikeus.com From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 13:02:25 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Jul 24 13:02:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <114116.95013.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <114116.95013.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200907241302.25716.jdchoate@gmail.com> > > make sure root and the user have the same terminal settings. > Ok, I'll check that out. From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 13:06:20 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Jul 24 13:06:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <4A694C1E.8090703@shub-internet.org> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <4A694C1E.8090703@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 24 July 2009 00:52:30 Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/23/09 10:00 PM, Chris Hudson said: > > > Not sure what the issue is, but just wanted to mention that you shouldn't > > have to use the arrow keys to move around in Vi. > > The j and k keys will move you up and down, and w and b will move you > > forward and backward a word at a time. > > Indeed, being dependent on the extra keys working (like insert, cursor > keys, etc...) is a crutch that you want to stay away from. There are > times when your terminal settings are badly enough messed up that you > simply can't type these key sequences at all, or if you do type them > then they don't have the effect you want. With vi, you really, really > want to learn the original native commands and sequences for everything. > > Also, don't get wrapped up in vim extensions (like color syntax parsing, > or whatever), because vim is not universal, whereas the core vi stuff is > pretty universal. > > OK, but what about 'delete' and 'backspace'? I am not a perfect typist and make errors from time to time and those keys can come in handy for editing. We are now straying away from my original question which was, basically: Why is there the difference in behavior of vi for the root user and a regular user. I want no more lessons in using the vi commands, tyvm. I can read the man pages and google for that stuff. From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 13:42:39 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Jul 24 13:42:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <4A694C1E.8090703@shub-internet.org> <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6A009F.30804@gmail.com> John D Choate wrote: > OK, but what about 'delete' and 'backspace'? I am not a perfect typist and > make errors from time to time and those keys can come in handy for editing. > We are now straying away from my original question which was, basically: Why > is there the difference in behavior of vi for the root user and a regular > user. 1. Make sure you are using the same program as both user and root: $ ls -l `which vi` lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Nov 23 2005 /usr/bin/vi -> vim $ ls -l `which vim` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1683300 Mar 31 19:49 /usr/bin/vim $ alias alias svi='sudo vim' 2. Make sure that there are no differences in /root/.vimrc and the user's .vimrc. -- Bruce From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 14:45:10 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Jul 24 14:45:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: References: <1248392925.23720.4.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <4A6A0F46.1060305@gmail.com> Kevin Buckner wrote: > I am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop... > I'm not anti-Winderz, either, but I am anti-M$ for their business model and practices. From what I've seen of 7, they just might have recovered from the nastiness of Vista. However, forced 'updates;' hijacking competitors' applications; and their practices of acquiring and burying software that might otherwise 'threaten' them were the initial reasons I moved to using and supporting Linux desktops. I've stayed there because I like it -- I like what they've done; I also like where they've gone and where they're going. I want a share in that future. Cheers; Ed ================ From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:01:37 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:01:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <4A6A009F.30804@gmail.com> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> <4A6A009F.30804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907241501.37941.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 24 July 2009 13:42:39 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > 1. Make sure you are using the same program as both user and root: > > $ ls -l `which vi` > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Nov 23 2005 /usr/bin/vi -> vim > > $ ls -l `which vim` > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1683300 Mar 31 19:49 /usr/bin/vim > > $ alias > alias svi='sudo vim' > > > 2. Make sure that there are no differences in /root/.vimrc and the user's .vimrc. > > -- Bruce > > Thank you very much. I will check that out. John C From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:03:49 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:03:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting more Linux/Unix expertise In-Reply-To: <4A69E1F6.3060808@lookcee.com> References: <4A627CE3.6080406@gmail.com> <4A63B92E.60609@shub-internet.org> <4A674025.7060906@gmail.com> <1248285270.4736.2.camel@phrodo> <4A68500E.2070306@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1248367899.27187.2.camel@phrodo> <4A69DEED.6080109@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <4A69E1F6.3060808@lookcee.com> Message-ID: On 7/24/09, Herb Cee wrote: > Geoff wrote: > > > Al Castanoli wrote: > > > > > > > I've got your posts back to April 26th, and didn't get one from you on > > > July 18th. > > > > > > > > > > Odd... I've made a few comments here and there on different subjects... > > and felt as if I was being ignored. > > > > *shrug*. > > > > -- > > -Geoff > > > > > > > I confess Geoff.... I read them tho. > herb > > -- Good to hear from you Herb. I always enjoy your comments and perspective. Thought maybe it had gotten too hot to have the computers on... From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:11:15 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:11:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <4A6A009F.30804@gmail.com> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> <4A6A009F.30804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907241511.15890.jdchoate@gmail.com> > 1. Make sure you are using the same program as both user and root: > > $ ls -l `which vi` > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Nov 23 2005 /usr/bin/vi -> vim > > $ ls -l `which vim` > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1683300 Mar 31 19:49 /usr/bin/vim > > $ alias > alias svi='sudo vim' > > > 2. Make sure that there are no differences in /root/.vimrc and the user's .vimrc. > > -- Bruce > > Ok... here's what I got. $ ls -l `which vi` lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2009-05-09 17:21 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/uvi* $ ls -l `which vim` lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2009-05-09 17:21 /bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim* Also, /root has .vimrc, but no .vimrc is in any users' ~/ There is no ~/.vi* at all for that matter. So, I will clone /root/.vimrc in ~/ and see what happens. From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:19:28 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:19:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: <4A6A0F46.1060305@gmail.com> References: <4A6A0F46.1060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907241519.29100.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 24 July 2009 14:45:10 ed wrote: > > Kevin Buckner wrote: > > I am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop... > > > I'm not anti-Winderz, either, but I am anti-M$ for their business model > and practices. From what I've seen of 7, they just might have recovered > from the nastiness of Vista. However, forced 'updates;' hijacking > competitors' applications; and their practices of acquiring and burying > software that might otherwise 'threaten' them were the initial reasons I > moved to using and supporting Linux desktops. I've stayed there because > I like it -- I like what they've done; I also like where they've gone > and where they're going. I want a share in that future. > > Cheers; > Ed > ================ > I second what Ed said. Plus, when I used Windowz I always yearned for a different user interface. For every version from 3.0-XP I wanted something more than either program manager or explorer could offer. As far as Win 3.x was concerned, I preferred to use dosshell or the pctools shell to windows progman... it took up too much of my 2MB RAM and I couldn't play my games or run my paint program, LOL. John C. From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jul 24 15:19:52 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:19:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <4A694C1E.8090703@shub-internet.org> <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6A1768.9060506@shub-internet.org> on 7/24/09 1:06 PM, John D Choate said: > OK, but what about 'delete' and 'backspace'? I am not a perfect > typist and make errors from time to time and those keys can come in > handy for editing. Those two are usually okay, but it's good to know the native keys for when nothing else is available. Heck, it's good to remember how to edit things with xed, or even ed, because sometimes the terminal settings are screwed up enough (or whatever) that you can't even use vi -- your only choice is to use a line editor. I ran into this one myself a few weeks ago, and despite the fact that I hadn't used a line editor in twenty years, I was able to fix the problem and get the system back up and running. > We are now straying away from my original question which was, > basically: > > Why is there the difference in behavior of vi for the root user and a > regular user. What you have described sounds like a difference in terminal settings to me, but assuming you're using a graphical interface, I have sometimes found that using a different terminal program (xterm vs. rxvterm, or whatever) will produce different results. Sometimes that can happen as a result of having different X settings for the root and regular users -- the X settings affect the xterm, the xterm affects the terminal settings within the window, and that affects vi. > I want no more lessons in using the vi commands, tyvm. I can read the > man pages and google for that stuff. Point taken. However, let me say that I understood the difference in the question, and I still wanted to point out why it's a bad idea to use non-standard keys with vi. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Jul 24 15:21:57 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:22:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <200907241511.15890.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> <4A6A009F.30804@gmail.com> <200907241511.15890.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6A17E5.9070903@shub-internet.org> on 7/24/09 3:11 PM, John D Choate said: > $ ls -l `which vi` > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2009-05-09 17:21 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/uvi* > > $ ls -l `which vim` > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2009-05-09 17:21 /bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim* Now, do an "ls -l" on /etc/alternatives/uvi and /etc/alternatives/vim, to see if they're actually the same binary with two different names (i.e., both names point to the same inode), or if they are symlinks which point off somewhere else, etc.... > Also, /root has .vimrc, but no .vimrc is in any users' ~/ > There is no ~/.vi* at all for that matter. > So, I will clone /root/.vimrc in ~/ and see what happens. Also check your X and terminal settings. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:26:26 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:26:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <4A6A1768.9060506@shub-internet.org> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> <4A6A1768.9060506@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <200907241526.27100.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 24 July 2009 15:19:52 Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/24/09 1:06 PM, John D Choate said: > > > OK, but what about 'delete' and 'backspace'? I am not a perfect > > typist and make errors from time to time and those keys can come in > > handy for editing. > > Those two are usually okay, but it's good to know the native keys for > when nothing else is available. > > Heck, it's good to remember how to edit things with xed, or even ed, > because sometimes the terminal settings are screwed up enough (or > whatever) that you can't even use vi -- your only choice is to use a > line editor. I ran into this one myself a few weeks ago, and despite > the fact that I hadn't used a line editor in twenty years, I was able to > fix the problem and get the system back up and running. > > > We are now straying away from my original question which was, > > basically: > > > > Why is there the difference in behavior of vi for the root user and a > > regular user. > > What you have described sounds like a difference in terminal settings to > me, but assuming you're using a graphical interface, I have sometimes > found that using a different terminal program (xterm vs. rxvterm, or > whatever) will produce different results. > > Sometimes that can happen as a result of having different X settings for > the root and regular users -- the X settings affect the xterm, the xterm > affects the terminal settings within the window, and that affects vi. > > > I want no more lessons in using the vi commands, tyvm. I can read the > > man pages and google for that stuff. > > Point taken. However, let me say that I understood the difference in > the question, and I still wanted to point out why it's a bad idea to use > non-standard keys with vi. > > Brad, Thank you for your input. I had learned that 'insert' or 'i' was to enable insert mode. After that I instinctively used the arrow keys to navigate the cursor without knowledge of the default vi commands. I found that easy enough to use, so I never looked for any more info. From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:29:03 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:29:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <4A6A17E5.9070903@shub-internet.org> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <200907241511.15890.jdchoate@gmail.com> <4A6A17E5.9070903@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <200907241529.03387.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 24 July 2009 15:21:57 Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/24/09 3:11 PM, John D Choate said: > > > $ ls -l `which vi` > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2009-05-09 17:21 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/uvi* > > > > $ ls -l `which vim` > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2009-05-09 17:21 /bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim* > > Now, do an "ls -l" on /etc/alternatives/uvi and /etc/alternatives/vim, > to see if they're actually the same binary with two different names > (i.e., both names point to the same inode), or if they are symlinks > which point off somewhere else, etc.... > > > Also, /root has .vimrc, but no .vimrc is in any users' ~/ > > There is no ~/.vi* at all for that matter. > > So, I will clone /root/.vimrc in ~/ and see what happens. > > Also check your X and terminal settings. > > Actually, I got my problem fixed. I made a ~/.vimrc and copied the contents of /root/.vimrc into that. All works as expected now. I do not understand why ~/.vimrc was never created for my user, buy hey... it was an easy fix after all. Thanks all for your help. John C. From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 15:51:22 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:51:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vi editor and insert mode as regular user In-Reply-To: <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <88749a030907232000m2fa9a540u31885559501039f5@mail.gmail.com> <4A694C1E.8090703@shub-internet.org> <200907241306.20763.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/24/09, John D Choate wrote: > On Friday 24 July 2009 00:52:30 Brad Knowles wrote: > > on 7/23/09 10:00 PM, Chris Hudson said: > > > > > Not sure what the issue is, but just wanted to mention that you shouldn't > > > have to use the arrow keys to move around in Vi. > > > The j and k keys will move you up and down, and w and b will move you > > > forward and backward a word at a time. > > > > Indeed, being dependent on the extra keys working (like insert, cursor > > keys, etc...) is a crutch that you want to stay away from. There are > > times when your terminal settings are badly enough messed up that you > > simply can't type these key sequences at all, or if you do type them > > then they don't have the effect you want. With vi, you really, really > > want to learn the original native commands and sequences for everything. > > > > Also, don't get wrapped up in vim extensions (like color syntax parsing, > > or whatever), because vim is not universal, whereas the core vi stuff is > > pretty universal. > > > > > > OK, but what about 'delete' and 'backspace'? I am not a perfect typist and make errors from time to time and those keys can come in handy for editing. > We are now straying away from my original question which was, basically: > Why is there the difference in behavior of vi for the root user and a regular user. > I want no more lessons in using the vi commands, tyvm. I can read the man pages and google for that stuff. > > > -- If the same keyboard is being used for both root and the user then the type of keyboard is not a source of the problem. Because of keyboard key character problems I use the "vi/vim" letter keys for "delete" and "backspace". In the last few years the "arrow" key character codes seem to have stabilized to where I rarely have trouble with them in "vi/vim". Excellent Help page here: [Main Help page] The vi/vim "set all" command typed at the command line prompt ":" within vi/vim will show you what values are set inside of vi/vim. The "set {option}" command within a vi/vim session that value is only good for that session. It is not permanent. To make your personal Vim preferences persist over sessions you can create the file "$HOME/.vimrc". Key mapping (and adding) preferences are common uses. Programmers frequently map keys in this file to be able to quickly change the programming language profile to the language they are using at the moment. Very powerful option... Be aware that most systems already set a lot of vi/vim options for you in the standard "User Login" process. The "set all" command within vi/vim will show what they are. Vi/Vim is a very powerful tool that can be customized beyond recognition for text and even rich text emulation. It can do non-document Word processing. Very handy for program development. Everything that Bruce says is good stuff too. HTH From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 16:10:34 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Jul 24 16:10:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Kevin Buckner wrote: > I really want to get more involved in supporting Linux as a desktop OS. Now > I think the bifggest hurdle to > overcome is device drivers and wireless networking. Most people dont have > any idea about how to correct > device drivers and want to be able to do a few mouse clicks and be surfing > the net. Anybody think of standard > device drivers and wifi access on linux? Could you totally depend on linux > as a desktop without dual booting > with windows xp/vista? > > I hope I can get more exposure with desktop support of linux here in the > users group. I welcome the challenge. > -- Kevin, you can be sure that there are millions of home and business users worldwide who depend solely upon Linux as their only desktop operating system. Personally, I have used only Linux on my desktop since 1999, having changed over from OS/2. During this time I ran a small home sales office and participated as a vendor in federal Universal Service grants with Linux as my OS. Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From hharadon at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 16:23:56 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Fri Jul 24 16:23:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Sean I wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Kenneth Cluck wrote: >> ?Okay, as some of you know I'm new to town and am looking for a job. I >> had a phone screening with Rackspace and later today am supposed to get a >> second one. I am kind of nervous but does anyone have any ideas of things >> I should refresh on before I take the screening? >> > > Probably to late but: > > know what ports 69 110 143 873 177 993 and 995 are > > uptime gives load values > > know the locate command (locate database update) > > grep stands for (G)lobal (R)egular (E)xpression (P)arser Hey, I always thought grep meant "get regular expression" ??? Just behind the times, HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From siffland at nerdshack.com Fri Jul 24 17:52:33 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:52:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <4A694CEC.4060308@shub-internet.org> References: <20090723152304.033E8BE407F@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> <3ae131d00907231609w35954d63j844c8a3b4e70f53b@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0907231818o216aad7cg5110f68d75c12195@mail.gmail.com> <200907240031.35940.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4A694CEC.4060308@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <3ae131d00907241552t20679a70v943f4ceb4a0d785e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/24/09 12:31 AM, Tweeks said: > >> If a candidate shows promise in my interview (which I've been told are >> tough).. and they seem interested in diving deeper into a question.. I'll go >> off script and dive as deep as they're comfortable. ?This usually ends in >> either the candidate getting stumped, or me learning something new. Either >> way it's more fun that way. :) > > I wish someone would have dived deep in my interview. ?They asked me rookie > 1st year questions, and we both got bored quickly. ?But they didn't seem > interested in asking anything that wasn't on the script, and there wasn't > anything on the script that was more than just surface level. > > And then I never heard back. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > -- Yeah the recruiting lady told me she would call the following Monday regardless of the outcome...never heard back. But then again in the middle of my interview one of the gentleman was writing something on his notepad. They asked me a question, i was in the middle of answering it and he showed the notepad to the other gentleman and they both started laughing like crazy, right in the middle of me answering...that was when i realized i didn't want to work there not if they considered the interview that much of a joke. After that i answered all questions as quick and concise as possible to get out of there. That was my first and only experience with them. I really didn't even want the job, i just wanted to get a raise were i was (which worked when word got out i was shopping around). Sean From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Fri Jul 24 18:22:09 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Fri Jul 24 18:22:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions Message-ID: <20090724232209.9393C10612@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Well, I just got done with the interview, it seemed to go really well, I had answers to all their questions though did have like one I was kind of iffy on, we had a good time though and made a lot of jokes with each other. Everyone I talked to seemed friendly, they did say though they need to talk to the guy that was the original one that called me and I would hear from them at the latest monday. Hopefully I have a good shot at it, the guy that's supposed to call me said he thinks I sound like a good fit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean I" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:52:33 -0500 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > on 7/24/09 12:31 AM, Tweeks said: > >> If a candidate shows promise in my interview (which I've been told are >> tough).. and they seem interested in diving deeper into a question.. I'll go >> off script and dive as deep as they're comfortable. =A0This usually ends in >> either the candidate getting stumped, or me learning something new. Either >> way it's more fun that way. :) > > I wish someone would have dived deep in my interview. =A0They asked me rookie > 1st year questions, and we both got bored quickly. =A0But they didn't seem > interested in asking anything that wasn't on the script, and there wasn't > anything on the script that was more than just surface level. > > And then I never heard back. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > -- Yeah the recruiting lady told me she would call the following Monday regardless of the outcome...never heard back. But then again in the middle of my interview one of the gentleman was writing something on his notepad. They asked me a question, i was in the middle of answering it and he showed the notepad to the other gentleman and they both started laughing like crazy, right in the middle of me answering...that was when i realized i didn't want to work there not if they considered the interview that much of a joke. After that i answered all questions as quick and concise as possible to get out of there. That was my first and only experience with them. I really didn't even want the job, i just wanted to get a raise were i was (which worked when word got out i was shopping around). Sean -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) --=20 How Strong is Your Score? Click here to see yours for $0! By FreeCreditReport.com From jtiner at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 24 18:41:04 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Fri Jul 24 18:41:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: References: <1248392925.23720.4.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <1248478864.21513.3.camel@james-desktop> On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:46 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > I never used Kubuntu but I would like to have ubuntu to put on my laptop > instead of using > Vista. I see the value of going totally linux and want to do so even if it > means no wifi. > That is the only thing I dont know for sure what I would do without is wifi. > I > am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop > Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same thing with the exception of KDE instead of Gnome (and the various desktop specific apps although they are all available ie. firefox and konqueror) I installed it on my Dell Latitude D520 and have no problem with wireless. I also just installed it on my dad's laptop which is an HP Pavilion DV6000 and it picked it up fine. Most wireless chipsets don't have a problem anymore. Go GNU/Linux!! From jtiner at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 24 18:51:20 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Fri Jul 24 18:51:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: <1248478864.21513.3.camel@james-desktop> References: <1248392925.23720.4.camel@james-desktop> <1248478864.21513.3.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <1248479480.21513.6.camel@james-desktop> On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 18:41 -0500, James Tiner wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:46 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > > I never used Kubuntu but I would like to have ubuntu to put on my laptop > > instead of using > > Vista. I see the value of going totally linux and want to do so even if it > > means no wifi. > > That is the only thing I dont know for sure what I would do without is wifi. > > I > > am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop > > By the way, you may not know that you can switch between the various *buntu distros by typing something like: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop etc... From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 19:35:03 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Jul 24 19:35:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: <1248479480.21513.6.camel@james-desktop> References: <1248392925.23720.4.camel@james-desktop> <1248478864.21513.3.camel@james-desktop> <1248479480.21513.6.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: On 7/24/09, James Tiner wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 18:41 -0500, James Tiner wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:46 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > > > I never used Kubuntu but I would like to have ubuntu to put on my laptop > > > instead of using > > > Vista. I see the value of going totally linux and want to do so even if it > > > means no wifi. > > > That is the only thing I dont know for sure what I would do without is wifi. > > > I > > > am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop > > > > > > By the way, you may not know that you can switch between the various > *buntu distros by typing something like: > > sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop > > or > > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop > > or > > sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop > > etc... > > > -- Does this work both ways? Does "apt/apt-get" have that capability? I know I can do: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and then do: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop but if I wasn't happy with kubuntu could I do: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and get back to ubuntu? Being able to reload would be a great feature to have. From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Fri Jul 24 19:56:14 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Fri Jul 24 19:56:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise Message-ID: <20090725005614.AC33510612@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Yeah that should work no problem, as far I as I know the only real difference between each is the desktop environment so regular Ubuntu with KDE really is Kubuntu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pearson" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:35:03 -0500 On 7/24/09, James Tiner wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 18:41 -0500, James Tiner wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:46 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > > > I never used Kubuntu but I would like to have ubuntu to put on my laptop > > > instead of using > > > Vista. I see the value of going totally linux and want to do > so even if it > > > means no wifi. > > > That is the only thing I dont know for sure what I would do > without is wifi. > > > I > > > am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop > > > > > > By the way, you may not know that you can switch between the various > *buntu distros by typing something like: > > sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop > > or > > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop > > or > > sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop > > etc... > > > -- Does this work both ways? Does "apt/apt-get" have that capability? I know I can do: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and then do: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop but if I wasn't happy with kubuntu could I do: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and get back to ubuntu? Being able to reload would be a great feature to have. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- How Strong is Your Score? Click here to see yours for $0! By FreeCreditReport.com From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Fri Jul 24 20:58:12 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Fri Jul 24 20:58:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: <20090725005614.AC33510612@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090725005614.AC33510612@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4A6A66B4.1050408@satx.rr.com> Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Yeah that should work no problem, as far I as I know the only real > difference between each is the desktop environment so regular Ubuntu with > KDE really is Kubuntu > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Pearson" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:35:03 -0500 > > > On 7/24/09, James Tiner wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 18:41 -0500, James Tiner wrote: > > > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:46 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > > > > I never used Kubuntu but I would like to have ubuntu to put on > my laptop > > > > instead of using > > > > Vista. I see the value of going totally linux and want to do > > so even if it > > > > means no wifi. > > > > That is the only thing I dont know for sure what I would do > > without is wifi. > > > > I > > > > am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you may not know that you can switch between the > various > > *buntu distros by typing something like: > > > > sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop > > > > or > > > > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop > > > > or > > > > sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop > > > > etc... > > > > > > -- > > Does this work both ways? Does "apt/apt-get" have that capability? > > I know I can do: > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop > > and then do: > sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop > > but if I wasn't happy with kubuntu could I do: > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop > > and get back to ubuntu? > > Being able to reload would be a great feature to have. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Once you install KDE, I didn't think it uninstalls Gnome, does it? Can't you have both installed at the same time and choose which to use when logging-in? I can do that under SuSE ... Al Lesmerises From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Fri Jul 24 21:38:22 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Fri Jul 24 21:38:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise Message-ID: <20090725023822.7D634606861@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> No it doesn't uninstall gnome, I guess that would be one difference :P When I used Ubuntu I tried this out, I personally prefer Gnome over KDE anyways ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Lesmerises" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:58:12 -0500 Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Yeah that should work no problem, as far I as I know the only real > difference between each is the desktop environment so regular Ubuntu with > KDE really is Kubuntu > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Pearson" > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:35:03 -0500 > > > On 7/24/09, James Tiner wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 18:41 -0500, James Tiner wrote: > > > On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:46 -0500, Kevin Buckner wrote: > > > > I never used Kubuntu but I would like to have ubuntu to put on > my laptop > > > > instead of using > > > > Vista. I see the value of going totally linux and want to do > > so even if it > > > > means no wifi. > > > > That is the only thing I dont know for sure what I would do > > without is wifi. > > > > I > > > > am not anti windows just very pro-linux for a desktop > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you may not know that you can switch between the > various > > *buntu distros by typing something like: > > > > sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop > > > > or > > > > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop > > > > or > > > > sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop > > > > etc... > > > > > > -- > > Does this work both ways? Does "apt/apt-get" have that capability? > > I know I can do: > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop > > and then do: > sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop > > but if I wasn't happy with kubuntu could I do: > sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop > > and get back to ubuntu? > > Being able to reload would be a great feature to have. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Once you install KDE, I didn't think it uninstalls Gnome, does it? Can't you have both installed at the same time and choose which to use when logging-in? I can do that under SuSE ... Al Lesmerises -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- How Strong is Your Score? Click here to see yours for $0! By FreeCreditReport.com From jtiner at satx.rr.com Sat Jul 25 00:07:17 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Sat Jul 25 00:07:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux as a Desktop and more expertise In-Reply-To: <20090725023822.7D634606861@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090725023822.7D634606861@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1248498437.21513.8.camel@james-desktop> On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 21:38 -0500, Kenneth Cluck wrote: > No it doesn't uninstall gnome, I guess that would be one difference :P > When I used Ubuntu I tried this out, I personally prefer Gnome over KDE > anyways > You are correct. It doesn't uninstall the other when you install one. You would simply choose the DE in gdm/kdm, etc. From richard.maynard at gmail.com Sat Jul 25 08:05:06 2009 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Sat Jul 25 08:05:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions In-Reply-To: <20090724232209.9393C10612@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090724232209.9393C10612@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <2c5b55440907250605o6531feebpfd8b4c9e47119823@mail.gmail.com> What job/group are you applying for at Rackspace? On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Kenneth Cluck wrote: > Well, I just got done with the interview, it seemed to go really well, I > had answers to all their questions though did have like one I was kind of > iffy on, we had a good time though and made a lot of jokes with each > other. Everyone I talked to seemed friendly, they did say though they > need to talk to the guy that was the original one that called me and I > would hear from them at the latest monday. Hopefully I have a good shot > at it, the guy that's supposed to call me said he thinks I sound like a > good fit. > From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Sat Jul 25 09:09:16 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Sat Jul 25 09:09:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rackspace Screening Questions Message-ID: <20090725140916.1225B1CE939@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> It's a support tech for the Rackspace Cloud, just level 1 :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Maynard" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [