From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Feb 1 02:54:03 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Feb 1 02:54:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Did somebody say 'Robots'? In-Reply-To: <49835C07.1090202@aaronhackney.com> References: <49835C07.1090202@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <200902010254.03882.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> I had mentioned it a while back as a cross post from XCSSA. We had a rep from the local TIER educational robots competition come and speak at XCSSA last September: http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-09-15.html He was looking for volunteers. His contact info: # Mike Henry # Email: jmhenry@satx.rr.com # Phone: (m) 210-410-3657 I think that one or two XCSSA guys are actually involved in that program. One guy (Fredrik) actually brought one of his cool two wheeled "balance bots" in last month to show it off. Showed us pics of one of his kid's semi-autonomous bots. Big sucker! Cool stuff. Cheers, Tweeks On Friday 30 January 2009 01:59:03 pm Aaron Hackney wrote: > Nate Turnage wrote: > > About a month ago somebody made mention about students making use of > > robots for fun, education and competition. I just came across this link > > on the ACCD Northwest Vista website and thought I would share it. > > > > http://www.accd.edu/nvc/programs/tier/default.htm > > There is a bot team forming at NVC (College age) and there is a > competition at the AT&T center comping up in March or April. I am pretty > sure they will buy a good chunck of the robot kit if you have a school > (Middle/High school) that is interested. Contact Andrew Schuetze at > 486-4430 or aschuetze1@mail.accd.edu > > -Aaron > > > ~Nate > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- Aaron Hackney > (210) 325-2196 > Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com > As this e-mail address is not checked! > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Feb 2 14:00:35 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Feb 2 14:00:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: selling a laptop, wifi card & docking station Message-ID: <20090202140035.1006418qfaru5tz4@shlrm.org> I have a Dell Latitude C800 with a docking station, two batteries and two floppy drives for sale. The floppy drives go in where the batteries go, so you could wield dual floppies, dual batteries, or one of each. It comes in a big ol' laptop bag that will very much keep it padded. I don't really need this laptop any more, so I'm selling it along with an Atheros pcmcia wifi card. It's a Netgear something or other but I know it works with madwifi, so it works great in linux. The laptop is a bit older, but it's got a 1600x1200 screen, and it was running Source Mage just fine until I wiped the harddrive. Anyways, I haven't had luck selling computer stuff on craigslist, so I'm going to spam the mailing list :) $125 would be nice, but I'm willing to negotiate a bit. It's all going together, because I don't have any use for the PCMCIA card, and I don't have any use for the docking station without the laptop. OH, the docking station is all detected in linux. So you can utilize the network adaptor on the docking station as well as the other ports. -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 14:47:11 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Feb 2 14:47:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: selling a laptop, wifi card & docking station In-Reply-To: <20090202140035.1006418qfaru5tz4@shlrm.org> References: <20090202140035.1006418qfaru5tz4@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <49875BCF.4070805@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > I have a Dell Latitude C800 with a docking station, two batteries and > two floppy drives for sale. The floppy drives go in where the batteries > go, so you could wield dual floppies, dual batteries, or one of each. It > comes in a big ol' laptop bag that will very much keep it padded. > > I don't really need this laptop any more, so I'm selling it along with > an Atheros pcmcia wifi card. It's a Netgear something or other but I > know it works with madwifi, so it works great in linux. The laptop is a > bit older, but it's got a 1600x1200 screen, and it was running Source > Mage just fine until I wiped the harddrive. > > Anyways, I haven't had luck selling computer stuff on craigslist, so I'm > going to spam the mailing list :) > > $125 would be nice, but I'm willing to negotiate a bit. > > It's all going together, because I don't have any use for the PCMCIA > card, and I don't have any use for the docking station without the > laptop. OH, the docking station is all detected in linux. So you can > utilize the network adaptor on the docking station as well as the other > ports. I don't have a need for this, but you don't say what the processor speed, memory size, or hard disk size is. I do have a C840 that runs both XP (for work :( ) and LFS very well. I also have a madwifi based pcmcia card of the system and it also works great. This seems to be a very good deal at $125. -- Bruce From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Feb 2 14:57:28 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Feb 2 14:57:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: selling a laptop, wifi card & docking station In-Reply-To: <49875BCF.4070805@gmail.com> References: <20090202140035.1006418qfaru5tz4@shlrm.org> <49875BCF.4070805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090202145728.33883ihppejrt6ps@shlrm.org> Quoting "Bruce Dubbs" : > David Kowis wrote: >> I have a Dell Latitude C800 with a docking station, two batteries >> and two floppy drives for sale. The floppy drives go in where the >> batteries go, so you could wield dual floppies, dual batteries, or >> one of each. It comes in a big ol' laptop bag that will very much >> keep it padded. >> >> I don't really need this laptop any more, so I'm selling it along >> with an Atheros pcmcia wifi card. It's a Netgear something or other >> but I know it works with madwifi, so it works great in linux. The >> laptop is a bit older, but it's got a 1600x1200 screen, and it was >> running Source Mage just fine until I wiped the harddrive. >> >> Anyways, I haven't had luck selling computer stuff on craigslist, >> so I'm going to spam the mailing list :) >> >> $125 would be nice, but I'm willing to negotiate a bit. >> >> It's all going together, because I don't have any use for the >> PCMCIA card, and I don't have any use for the docking station >> without the laptop. OH, the docking station is all detected in >> linux. So you can utilize the network adaptor on the docking >> station as well as the other ports. > > I don't have a need for this, but you don't say what the processor > speed, memory size, or hard disk size is. Oops, no I didn't: P3 1Ghz 512mb RAM (i think, I'll have to double check) 40GB harddrive > > I do have a C840 that runs both XP (for work :( ) and LFS very well. > I also have a madwifi based pcmcia card of the system and it also > works great. > > This seems to be a very good deal at $125. > Yep, it's priced to move ;) -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 14:59:49 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Feb 2 14:59:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: selling a laptop, wifi card & docking station In-Reply-To: <49875BCF.4070805@gmail.com> References: <20090202140035.1006418qfaru5tz4@shlrm.org> <49875BCF.4070805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902021459.49300.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Monday 02 February 2009 14:47:11 Bruce Dubbs wrote: > David Kowis wrote: > > I have a Dell Latitude C800 with a docking station, two batteries and > > two floppy drives for sale. The floppy drives go in where the batteries > > go, so you could wield dual floppies, dual batteries, or one of each. It > > comes in a big ol' laptop bag that will very much keep it padded. > > > > I don't really need this laptop any more, so I'm selling it along with > > an Atheros pcmcia wifi card. It's a Netgear something or other but I > > know it works with madwifi, so it works great in linux. The laptop is a > > bit older, but it's got a 1600x1200 screen, and it was running Source > > Mage just fine until I wiped the harddrive. > > > > Anyways, I haven't had luck selling computer stuff on craigslist, so I'm > > going to spam the mailing list :) > > > > $125 would be nice, but I'm willing to negotiate a bit. > > > > It's all going together, because I don't have any use for the PCMCIA > > card, and I don't have any use for the docking station without the > > laptop. OH, the docking station is all detected in linux. So you can > > utilize the network adaptor on the docking station as well as the other > > ports. > > I don't have a need for this, but you don't say what the processor speed, memory > size, or hard disk size is. > > I do have a C840 that runs both XP (for work :( ) and LFS very well. I also have > a madwifi based pcmcia card of the system and it also works great. > > This seems to be a very good deal at $125. > > -- Bruce > > What I saw on google for that model was listed as 850/700 MHz Pentium III, 128M RAM, and 32Gig hdd. From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Feb 2 15:07:23 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Feb 2 15:07:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: selling a laptop, wifi card & docking station In-Reply-To: <200902021459.49300.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <20090202140035.1006418qfaru5tz4@shlrm.org> <49875BCF.4070805@gmail.com> <200902021459.49300.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090202150723.19701u6kmhkex400@shlrm.org> Quoting "John D Choate" : > What I saw on google for that model was listed as 850/700 MHz > Pentium III, 128M RAM, and 32Gig hdd. > I know it's got a 1Ghz cpu, and I'm reasonably confident that it's got 512MB ram, I'll double check when I get home today, and it does have a 40gb drive. -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From ks_cross at yahoo.com Mon Feb 2 15:10:04 2009 From: ks_cross at yahoo.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Feb 2 15:10:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Eee References: <4985152D.9030006@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <43266.30092.qm@web90601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Or if you like me you always are wanting to tinker... You could try this: http://www.eeebuntu.org/ Cheers! Peter Cross San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 ________________________________ From: Andrew Pickens To: SATLUG Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:21:17 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Eee I wanted something that I could stick in my backpack, on trips, so, when Target reduced the price, I bought an Eee PC 900. I haven't worked with it a great deal, yet, but I think they have produced a Linux based OS that the average, non-tech PC user can be happy with. Andy Pickens -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 15:17:39 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Feb 2 15:17:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: selling a laptop, wifi card & docking station In-Reply-To: <20090202150723.19701u6kmhkex400@shlrm.org> References: <20090202140035.1006418qfaru5tz4@shlrm.org> <200902021459.49300.jdchoate@gmail.com> <20090202150723.19701u6kmhkex400@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <200902021517.40011.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Monday 02 February 2009 15:07:23 David Kowis wrote: > asonably confident that it's got ? > 512MB ram, I'll double check when I get home today, and it does have a ? > 40gb drive. I'm sure it does.. I was just listing the first model I saw. From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 15:27:17 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Feb 2 15:27:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT : boot media for old systems Message-ID: <200902021527.17790.jdchoate@gmail.com> My uncle passed away last November and in the process of my aunt clearing out his MASSIVE accumulation of electronics, I acquired lots of computer stuff. Among the stuff is an old Osborne Executive computer which still works. However I did not find, or search thoroughly for, any boot media. Does anyone have old 5.25" system boot floppies for an Osborne system? Not that I actually need to run this system, but I would like to be able to do more than just have it ask for a boot disk. Also rescued from the massive piles of electronics gear is a TRS-80 Model 100 portable (the last system old Billy G. actually wrote code for). It works and I actually pushed some 27 year-old cobwebs aside in my brain to remember enough Tandy BASIC to be able to run it in a loop displaying a message (worked on my first try, lol). Though the code was no more than: 10 print "Hello World" 20 goto 10 30 end LOL, I know.. it will never even reach 30, but I couldn't resist including it. And yes, good old CTRL-C breaks the loop. From mswearingen at hctc.coop Mon Feb 2 15:46:33 2009 From: mswearingen at hctc.coop (Mike Swearingen) Date: Mon Feb 2 15:52:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT : boot media for old systems In-Reply-To: <200902021527.17790.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200902021527.17790.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <539A42887DDDEC4B872766776511353C17CBCFAD5E@exch1.hctc.coop> Maybe this will help http://www.vintage-computer.com/osborneexecutive.shtml -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of John D Choate Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:27 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] OT : boot media for old systems My uncle passed away last November and in the process of my aunt clearing out his MASSIVE accumulation of electronics, I acquired lots of computer stuff. Among the stuff is an old Osborne Executive computer which still works. However I did not find, or search thoroughly for, any boot media. Does anyone have old 5.25" system boot floppies for an Osborne system? Not that I actually need to run this system, but I would like to be able to do more than just have it ask for a boot disk. Also rescued from the massive piles of electronics gear is a TRS-80 Model 100 portable (the last system old Billy G. actually wrote code for). It works and I actually pushed some 27 year-old cobwebs aside in my brain to remember enough Tandy BASIC to be able to run it in a loop displaying a message (worked on my first try, lol). Though the code was no more than: 10 print "Hello World" 20 goto 10 30 end LOL, I know.. it will never even reach 30, but I couldn't resist including it. And yes, good old CTRL-C breaks the loop. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From rmarker at encoresupportsystems.com Mon Feb 2 16:15:30 2009 From: rmarker at encoresupportsystems.com (Marker, Robert) Date: Mon Feb 2 16:15:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT : boot media for old systems In-Reply-To: <539A42887DDDEC4B872766776511353C17CBCFAD5E@exch1.hctc.coop> Message-ID: Take a look at this URL. You may be able to download what you need. http://www.guntersville.net/osborne/ Always interested in resurrecting old computers! Robert M -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Swearingen Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:47 Encore PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: RE: [SATLUG] OT : boot media for old systems Maybe this will help http://www.vintage-computer.com/osborneexecutive.shtml -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of John D Choate Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:27 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] OT : boot media for old systems My uncle passed away last November and in the process of my aunt clearing out his MASSIVE accumulation of electronics, I acquired lots of computer stuff. Among the stuff is an old Osborne Executive computer which still works. However I did not find, or search thoroughly for, any boot media. Does anyone have old 5.25" system boot floppies for an Osborne system? Not that I actually need to run this system, but I would like to be able to do more than just have it ask for a boot disk. Also rescued from the massive piles of electronics gear is a TRS-80 Model 100 portable (the last system old Billy G. actually wrote code for). It works and I actually pushed some 27 year-old cobwebs aside in my brain to remember enough Tandy BASIC to be able to run it in a loop displaying a message (worked on my first try, lol). Though the code was no more than: 10 print "Hello World" 20 goto 10 30 end LOL, I know.. it will never even reach 30, but I couldn't resist including it. And yes, good old CTRL-C breaks the loop. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From johnrkirby at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 16:47:37 2009 From: johnrkirby at gmail.com (John Kirby) Date: Mon Feb 2 16:47:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OT : boot media for old systems Message-ID: <816faeb50902021447h6de9b0b3sd80a7a99909601ef@mail.gmail.com> Would the CP/M disks from an Osborne 1 work on the Executive? If so, I might be able to help. The disks are in Kentucky, though, so it would probably be a while before I could get them to you. I don't think they're going to dig out any quicker for the sake of a 5 1/4 disk for an old box... From mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 2 17:07:56 2009 From: mhayes59 at sbcglobal.net (HAYES DENNIS) Date: Mon Feb 2 17:08:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: selling a laptop, wifi card & docking station In-Reply-To: <20090202140035.1006418qfaru5tz4@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <408285.1703.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> David I would be intrested you can contatc me offline at mhayes59@sbcglobal.net. ? TIA -D --- On Mon, 2/2/09, David Kowis wrote: From: David Kowis Subject: [SATLUG] OT: selling a laptop, wifi card & docking station To: satlug@satlug.org Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 2:00 PM I have a Dell Latitude C800 with a docking station, two batteries and two floppy drives for sale. The floppy drives go in where the batteries go, so you could wield dual floppies, dual batteries, or one of each. It comes in a big ol' laptop bag that will very much keep it padded. I don't really need this laptop any more, so I'm selling it along with an Atheros pcmcia wifi card. It's a Netgear something or other but I know it works with madwifi, so it works great in linux. The laptop is a bit older, but it's got a 1600x1200 screen, and it was running Source Mage just fine until I wiped the harddrive. Anyways, I haven't had luck selling computer stuff on craigslist, so I'm going to spam the mailing list :) $125 would be nice, but I'm willing to negotiate a bit. It's all going together, because I don't have any use for the PCMCIA card, and I don't have any use for the docking station without the laptop. OH, the docking station is all detected in linux. So you can utilize the network adaptor on the docking station as well as the other ports. --David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 19:06:53 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Feb 2 19:06:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Rsyncing for a Windows share Message-ID: <79ec289f0902021706p6e38377dg9e579fb0dbdfcba8@mail.gmail.com> Guys, I need to backup a remote Windows share on one of our servers. I have the directory mounted on the Linux server, however if I try to use rsync on the server, I get: building file list ... done Offset underflow: file-length is negative rsync error: requested action not supported (code 4) at flist.c(856) [receiver=3.0.4] rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (8 bytes read so far) rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(165) There seems to be a file in that Windows directory with a negative or zero file length. How do I tell rsync to copy this file anyway, or perhaps skip this file? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jdchoate at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 13:22:31 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Tue Feb 3 13:22:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: OT : boot media for old systems In-Reply-To: <816faeb50902021447h6de9b0b3sd80a7a99909601ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <816faeb50902021447h6de9b0b3sd80a7a99909601ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902031322.32088.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Monday 02 February 2009 16:47:37 John Kirby wrote: > Would the CP/M disks from an Osborne 1 work on the Executive? If so, I might > be able to help. > > The disks are in Kentucky, though, so it would probably be a while before I > could get them to you. I don't think they're going to dig out any quicker > for the sake of a 5 1/4 disk for an old box... Thanks for the responses guys. I'll check out those links... don't bother with the disks in Kentucky, that's too much of a hassle for everyone. From techgeeks at aaronhackney.com Tue Feb 3 16:52:28 2009 From: techgeeks at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Tue Feb 3 16:52:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] InstallFest In-Reply-To: <49835A65.7020309@gmail.com> References: <49832FED.3050109@cis.sac.accd.edu> <49835A65.7020309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4988CAAC.6070609@aaronhackney.com> ed wrote: > I'd like to be there this time. What do I need to bring? > > Cheers; > Ed > ========= > > skolars wrote: >> The InstallFest is tomorrow, Saturday, and begins at 9:00 a.m. >> For the volunteers, coffee, orange juice, etc. will be ready at 8:30 >> a.m. in NTC 103. >> I'm not sure how many, but I know at least one student showed up and you all helped him with his wireless issue, so THANK YOU :) -Aaron >> See you there, >> Steve >> >> -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Hackney (210) 325-2196 Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com As this e-mail address is not checked! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Feb 5 12:19:41 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:19:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? Message-ID: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> I heard a rumor that RMS was going to be in town. Is this true? If so then what are the particulars and how does one get invited? thanks Todd From scrandall at jw.com Thu Feb 5 12:28:21 2009 From: scrandall at jw.com (Crandall, Sean) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:27:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A05DB2F58@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> I hear there's a minimum beard length requirement. Sean Crandall > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of > toddwbucy@grandecom.net > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:20 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > > > > I heard a rumor that RMS was going to be in town. Is this > true? If so then what > are the particulars and how does one get invited? > > thanks > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Feb 5 12:36:04 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:36:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A05DB2F58@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A05DB2F58@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <1233858964.498b31941da71@webmail.grandecom.net> I have no beard but I am prepared to come draped in a anarcho-syndicate flag if necessary. Todd Quoting "Crandall, Sean" : > I hear there's a minimum beard length requirement. > > Sean Crandall > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of > > toddwbucy@grandecom.net > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:20 PM > > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > > > > > > > > I heard a rumor that RMS was going to be in town. Is this > > true? If so then what > > are the particulars and how does one get invited? > > > > thanks > > Todd > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From ks_cross at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 14:11:47 2009 From: ks_cross at yahoo.com (Peter Cross) Date: Thu Feb 5 14:11:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> educate the un-enlightened.... What is RMS? Cheers! Peter Cross San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 ________________________________ From: "toddwbucy@grandecom.net" To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:19:41 PM Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? I heard a rumor that RMS was going to be in town. Is this true? If so then what are the particulars and how does one get invited? thanks Todd -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Feb 5 14:03:16 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Feb 5 14:14:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <498B4604.8000209@futuretechsolutions.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman Peter Cross wrote: > educate the un-enlightened.... > > What is RMS? > > Cheers! > > > Peter Cross > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "toddwbucy@grandecom.net" > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:19:41 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > > > > I heard a rumor that RMS was going to be in town. Is this true? If so then what > are the particulars and how does one get invited? > > thanks > Todd > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Thu Feb 5 16:24:31 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:24:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <498B671F.2080003@suddenlink.net> Peter Cross wrote: > educate the un-enlightened.... > > What is RMS? > > Cheers! > > This man IS GNU/Hurd in the flesh. The creator of emacs. The Villian to vi. From astro at astr0.org Thu Feb 5 16:54:31 2009 From: astro at astr0.org (brian lewis) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:54:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <498B671F.2080003@suddenlink.net> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <498B671F.2080003@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> Dennis Myhand wrote: > Peter Cross wrote: >> educate the un-enlightened.... >> >> What is RMS? >> >> Cheers! >> >> > > This man IS GNU/Hurd in the flesh. The creator of emacs. The Villian > to vi. Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 17:01:28 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Thu Feb 5 17:01:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <498B671F.2080003@suddenlink.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> Message-ID: <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> brian lewis wrote: > Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the best text editor for linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode right on the spot. ~Nate From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Feb 5 17:23:46 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (jtiner@satx.rr.com) Date: Thu Feb 5 17:23:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090205232346.DQVM0.23975.root@cdptpa-web18-z02> Richard M Stallman, Founder of the GNU project and original author of many of the GNU apps. ---- Peter Cross wrote: > educate the un-enlightened.... > > What is RMS? > > Cheers! > > > Peter Cross > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "toddwbucy@grandecom.net" > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:19:41 PM > Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > > > > I heard a rumor that RMS was going to be in town. Is this true? If so then what > are the particulars and how does one get invited? > > thanks > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 19:12:31 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:12:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <498B671F.2080003@suddenlink.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <163no49ms4u5k45r45euvkon67sheg8kjv@4ax.com> Nate Turnage wrote: >brian lewis wrote: >> Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) > > >I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the best text editor for >linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode right on the spot. I'm pretty sure emacs is alien technology. You remember that scene in MIB 2 where the villain (Lara Flynn Boyle) flicks her finger/tentacle and the pizza shop owner splits in two? Yeah, it won't be him that does the exploding. -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Feb 5 19:32:42 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:32:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <163no49ms4u5k45r45euvkon67sheg8kjv@4ax.com> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <166011.22722.qm@web90608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <498B671F.2080003@suddenlink.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> <163no49ms4u5k45r45euvkon67sheg8kjv@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1233883962.6915.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> so is this just a rumor? is RMS coming to town? anyone? todd On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 19:12 -0600, Don Wright wrote: > Nate Turnage wrote: > > >brian lewis wrote: > >> Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) > > > > > >I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the best text editor for > >linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode right on the spot. > > > I'm pretty sure emacs is alien technology. You remember that scene in MIB 2 > where the villain (Lara Flynn Boyle) flicks her finger/tentacle and the > pizza shop owner splits in two? > > Yeah, it won't be him that does the exploding. > > -- > Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Feb 5 23:34:45 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:34:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902052334.45653.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 05 February 2009 05:01:28 pm N. Turnage wrote: > brian lewis wrote: > > Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) > > I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the best text editor for > linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode right on the spot. Hehe.. I'll have to remember that.. It looks like he doesn't like to stay in hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for the 1-2 nights while in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. hehe.. I'll have to take some "geek picks" while he's here. :) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Feb 5 23:35:16 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:35:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1233883962.6915.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <163no49ms4u5k45r45euvkon67sheg8kjv@4ax.com> <1233883962.6915.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <200902052335.16739.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Yes.. He's sleeping in my guest room. :) Tweeks On Thursday 05 February 2009 07:32:42 pm Todd W. Bucy wrote: > so is this just a rumor? is RMS coming to town? anyone? > > todd > > On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 19:12 -0600, Don Wright wrote: > > Nate Turnage wrote: > > >brian lewis wrote: > > >> Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) > > > > > >I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the best text editor for > > >linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode right on the spot. > > > > I'm pretty sure emacs is alien technology. You remember that scene in MIB > > 2 where the villain (Lara Flynn Boyle) flicks her finger/tentacle and the > > pizza shop owner splits in two? > > > > Yeah, it won't be him that does the exploding. > > > > -- > > Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From pixelnate at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 23:38:55 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:38:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <200902052334.45653.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> <200902052334.45653.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <498BCCEF.4080806@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > It looks like he doesn't like to stay in > hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for the 1-2 nights while > in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. So when is he speaking? And is it open to the public? ~Nate From michael at michaelrice.org Fri Feb 6 08:42:11 2009 From: michael at michaelrice.org (Michael Rice) Date: Fri Feb 6 08:42:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <498BCCEF.4080806@gmail.com> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> <200902052334.45653.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <498BCCEF.4080806@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am very interested in this and would love to attend if possible. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:38 PM, N. Turnage wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > >> It looks like he doesn't like to stay in hotels on these visits.. so he's >> staying at my place for the 1-2 nights while in town for his IEEE/Trinity >> talk. >> > > > So when is he speaking? And is it open to the public? > > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Feb 6 11:43:48 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Feb 6 11:44:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> <200902052334.45653.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <498BCCEF.4080806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233942228.6924.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> yes could someone please enlighten us with the information. Thanks Todd On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 08:42 -0600, Michael Rice wrote: > I am very interested in this and would love to attend if possible. > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:38 PM, N. Turnage wrote: > > > Tweeks wrote: > > > >> It looks like he doesn't like to stay in hotels on these visits.. so he's > >> staying at my place for the 1-2 nights while in town for his IEEE/Trinity > >> talk. > >> > > > > > > So when is he speaking? And is it open to the public? > > > > > > > > ~Nate > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Feb 6 22:28:13 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Feb 6 22:28:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <200902052334.45653.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> <200902052334.45653.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1233980893.11910.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 23:34 -0600, Tweeks wrote: > On Thursday 05 February 2009 05:01:28 pm N. Turnage wrote: > > brian lewis wrote: > > > Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) > > > > I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the best text editor for > > linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode right on the spot. > > Hehe.. I'll have to remember that.. It looks like he doesn't like to stay in > hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for the 1-2 nights while > in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. hehe.. I'll have to take some "geek > picks" while he's here. :) > > Tweeks well we know this much RMS will be in town for a talk at trinity and he will be sleeping at tweeks for the duration...wow that was enlightening care to share any of the details...like maybe a time and a place of this talk? Is it a private affair or is it open to the general public? Todd From pixelnate at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 22:33:29 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Fri Feb 6 22:33:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1233980893.11910.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1233857981.498b2dbd05a0a@webmail.grandecom.net> <498B6E27.7080001@astr0.org> <498B6FC8.60801@gmail.com> <200902052334.45653.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1233980893.11910.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <498D0F19.6080705@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > well we know this much RMS will be in town for a talk at trinity and he > will be sleeping at tweeks for the duration...wow that was enlightening > care to share any of the details...like maybe a time and a place of this > talk? Is it a private affair or is it open to the general public? > No kidding. Is he coming here for some secret annual meeting of the left handed gnus or what? You'd think it would be somewhere on the interwebs that he was coming, but I cannot find anything and only this info is available. ~Nate From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 22:48:37 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Feb 6 22:48:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Command Line Warriors - Ten Cool Coreutils Commands Message-ID: <498D12A5.4070007@gmail.com> Hey folks? Is this old news, or useful? http://commandline.org.uk/2007/ten-cool-coreutils-commands/ Cheers; Ed From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 23:05:25 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Fri Feb 6 23:05:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Command Line Warriors - Ten Cool Coreutils Commands In-Reply-To: <498D12A5.4070007@gmail.com> References: <498D12A5.4070007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <498D1695.5040001@gmail.com> ed wrote: > Hey folks? Is this old news, Yes. > or useful? Some are, some aren't. The most common place you see these is in scripts. I use tee and wc relatively often. I occasionally use 'yes' and the programming version of stat. It's easier to use vim instead of expand unless you need to do it to a lot of files. I use a2ps instead of pr. The rest are not very useful. -- Bruce From wigyxz-satlug at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 09:11:17 2009 From: wigyxz-satlug at yahoo.com (wigyxz-satlug@yahoo.com) Date: Sat Feb 7 09:11:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? Message-ID: <640471.28516.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Years ago he stayed at an acquaintance of mine's house while in town (not SA) for a talk. I recall my friend being pretty excited about being able to chat him about about things. He was a little dismayed to find rms somewhat non-communicative and generally not too responsive to wanting to hang out and geek talk, eg sitting at a meal reading a book instead of joining the table conversation... So, hope it goes well. Yeah, he's a bit of an oddball, but he's got interesting things to say. --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Tweeks wrote: > From: Tweeks > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:34 PM > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > On Thursday 05 February 2009 > 05:01:28 pm N. Turnage wrote: > > brian lewis wrote: > > > Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) > > > > I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the > best text editor for > > linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode > right on the spot. > > Hehe.. I'll have to remember that.. It looks like he > doesn't like to stay in > hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for > the 1-2 nights while > in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk.???hehe.. > I'll have to take some "geek > picks" while he's here. :) > > Tweeks > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Feb 7 12:37:12 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Feb 7 13:05:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <640471.28516.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <640471.28516.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1234031832.10105.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> It would be REAL NICE (yes I am talking to you tweeks) if someone could share some more info about this supposed IEEE/Trintiy talk with RMS. Members of this LUG might just be interested in attending such a talk. He is after all a major contributor to F/OSS as well as the author of GPL. Kinda fits with the whole purpose of being a part of a LUG you think and participating with the community...I am sure thats why he gives talks after all. Todd On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 07:11 -0800, wigyxz-satlug@yahoo.com wrote: > Years ago he stayed at an acquaintance of mine's house while > in town (not SA) for a talk. I recall my friend being > pretty excited about being able to chat him about about > things. He was a little dismayed to find rms somewhat > non-communicative and generally not too responsive to > wanting to hang out and geek talk, eg sitting at a > meal reading a book instead of joining the table > conversation... So, hope it goes well. Yeah, he's > a bit of an oddball, but he's got interesting things to say. > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Tweeks wrote: > > > From: Tweeks > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > > To: satlug@satlug.org > > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:34 PM > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > On Thursday 05 February 2009 > > 05:01:28 pm N. Turnage wrote: > > > brian lewis wrote: > > > > Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) > > > > > > I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the > > best text editor for > > > linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode > > right on the spot. > > > > Hehe.. I'll have to remember that.. It looks like he > > doesn't like to stay in > > hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for > > the 1-2 nights while > > in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. hehe.. > > I'll have to take some "geek > > picks" while he's here. :) > > > > Tweeks > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From jehaywood at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 22:27:01 2009 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Sat Feb 7 22:27:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234031832.10105.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <640471.28516.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1234031832.10105.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > It would be REAL NICE (yes I am talking to you tweeks) if someone could > share some more info about this supposed IEEE/Trintiy talk with RMS. > Members of this LUG might just be interested in attending such a talk. > He is after all a major contributor to F/OSS as well as the author of > GPL. Kinda fits with the whole purpose of being a part of a LUG you > think and participating with the community...I am sure thats why he > gives talks after all. > > Is there really an IEEE connection? Isn't Stallman boycotting the IEEE? -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Feb 7 22:48:07 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Feb 7 22:48:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? Message-ID: >It would be REAL NICE (yes I am talking to you >tweeks) if someone could share some more info about >this supposed IEEE/Trintiy talk with RMS. IEEE Members are welcome to attend, Do you qualify? IEEE.org lists member qualifications and how to join. >Members of this LUG might just be interested in >attending such a talk. He is after all a major >contributor to F/OSS as well as the author of GPL. >Kinda fits with the whole purpose of being a >part of a LUG you think and participating with the >community...I amsure thats why he gives talks after all. >Todd This talk is targeted for a specific professional audience, and seating is limited. Google is our friend. Lou From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Feb 7 23:25:02 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Feb 7 23:25:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234070702.10105.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 23:48 -0500, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >It would be REAL NICE (yes I am talking to you > >tweeks) if someone could share some more info about > >this supposed IEEE/Trintiy talk with RMS. > > IEEE Members are welcome to attend, Do you qualify? > > IEEE.org lists member qualifications and how to join. > > > >Members of this LUG might just be interested in > >attending such a talk. He is after all a major > >contributor to F/OSS as well as the author of GPL. > >Kinda fits with the whole purpose of being a > >part of a LUG you think and participating with the > >community...I amsure thats why he gives talks after > all. > >Todd > > This talk is targeted for a specific professional > audience, and seating is limited. > > Google is our friend. > > Lou > yes google is a friend but it doesn't have all the answers and I found no information about a talk at trinity university or RMS speaking. I was only trying to confirm a rumor when my google searches yielded no results. What got under my skin was the teasing of information with no explanation. It seems a common courtesy that if your going to confirm such a rumor you apply some sort of context. But maybe common courtesy is like common sense... Todd From mkr777 at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 00:09:52 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Sun Feb 8 00:09:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234070702.10105.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1234070702.10105.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: I sent a msg to rms. Got a auto-reply. Will let you know when he responds. mkr ==== I am not on vacation, but I am at the end of a long time delay. I am located somewhere on Earth, but as far as responding to email is concerned, I appear to be well outside the solar system. After your message arrives at gnu.org, I will collect it in my next batch of incoming mail, some time within the following 24 hours. I will spend much of the following day reading that batch of mail and will come across your message at some point. If I can write a response for it immediately, the response will go out in the next outgoing batch--typically around 24 hours after I collected your message, but occasionally sooner or later than that. As a result, you should expect a minimum delay of between 24 and 48 hours in seeing any response to your mail to me. 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Otherwise, you might receive a reply like this one up to once a month. ==== On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 23:48 -0500, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > >It would be REAL NICE (yes I am talking to you > > >tweeks) if someone could share some more info about > > >this supposed IEEE/Trintiy talk with RMS. > > > > IEEE Members are welcome to attend, Do you qualify? > > > > IEEE.org lists member qualifications and how to join. > > > > > > >Members of this LUG might just be interested in > > >attending such a talk. He is after all a major > > >contributor to F/OSS as well as the author of GPL. > > >Kinda fits with the whole purpose of being a > > >part of a LUG you think and participating with the > > >community...I amsure thats why he gives talks after > > all. > > >Todd > > > > This talk is targeted for a specific professional > > audience, and seating is limited. > > > > Google is our friend. > > > > Lou > > > > yes google is a friend but it doesn't have all the answers and I found > no information about a talk at trinity university or RMS speaking. I > was only trying to confirm a rumor when my google searches yielded no > results. What got under my skin was the teasing of information with no > explanation. It seems a common courtesy that if your going to confirm > such a rumor you apply some sort of context. But maybe common courtesy > is like common sense... > > Todd > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From chrishudson at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 00:16:48 2009 From: chrishudson at gmail.com (Chris Hudson) Date: Sun Feb 8 00:16:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? Message-ID: <88749a030902072216y535bc747ubcb0c652107ca856@mail.gmail.com> > doesn't like to stay in > hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for > the 1-2 nights while > in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. I'm surprised he's speaking at an IEEE event, I didn't think he liked them...from his web site (stallman.org): Don't publish papers with the IEEE! As the IEEE rejects public-domain papers, let the public reject the IEEE. See http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html. From storey at clamp.ws Sun Feb 8 05:13:39 2009 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Sun Feb 8 05:11:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <88749a030902072216y535bc747ubcb0c652107ca856@mail.gmail.com> References: <88749a030902072216y535bc747ubcb0c652107ca856@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498EBE63.6070603@clamp.ws> Chris Hudson wrote: >> doesn't like to stay in >> hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for >> the 1-2 nights while >> in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. >> > > I'm surprised he's speaking at an IEEE event, I didn't think he liked > them...from his web site (stallman.org): > > Don't publish papers with the IEEE! As the IEEE rejects public-domain > papers, let the public reject the IEEE. See > http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html. > rms has spent almost 20 years trying to accomplish what Linus did in one year. Most of his talks include a rant about how most users of our favorite operating system call it Linux instead of "GNU/Linux", which deprives him of what he feels is his fair share of credit. I do not plan to hang around the Trinity Campus waving a GNU flag in hope of getting an autograph. I use vi, not Emacs From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sun Feb 8 14:41:11 2009 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Sun Feb 8 14:41:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <498EBE63.6070603@clamp.ws> References: <88749a030902072216y535bc747ubcb0c652107ca856@mail.gmail.com> <498EBE63.6070603@clamp.ws> Message-ID: <498F4367.90402@cis.sac.accd.edu> Storey Clamp wrote: > Chris Hudson wrote: >>> doesn't like to stay in >>> hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for >>> the 1-2 nights while >>> in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. >>> >> >> I'm surprised he's speaking at an IEEE event, I didn't think he liked >> them...from his web site (stallman.org): >> >> Don't publish papers with the IEEE! As the IEEE rejects public-domain >> papers, let the public reject the IEEE. See >> http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html. >> > rms has spent almost 20 years trying to accomplish what Linus did in > one year. Most of his talks include a rant about how most users of > our favorite operating system call it Linux instead of "GNU/Linux", > which deprives him of what he feels is his fair share of credit. I do > not plan to hang around the Trinity Campus waving a GNU flag in hope > of getting an autograph. > > I use vi, not Emacs Well said Storey. I have talked to him at a couple different Usenix conferences. He was impossible to talk to if I did not preface everything with GNU. After two times in person and once on the phone I gave up trying to talk to him. He has done a lot of good stuff but needs to lighten up a little. Steve :wq From pixelnate at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 15:02:45 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Sun Feb 8 15:02:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <498F4367.90402@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <88749a030902072216y535bc747ubcb0c652107ca856@mail.gmail.com> <498EBE63.6070603@clamp.ws> <498F4367.90402@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <498F4875.8020000@gmail.com> skolars wrote: > :wq 'Nuff said. He's the epitome of a zealot, but it would still be cool to see the guy speak in person. ~Nate From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Feb 8 23:31:22 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Feb 8 23:31:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234070702.10105.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1234070702.10105.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <200902082331.22753.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Sorry to post and bail on you there Todd... I've been away for a couple days (10th wedding anniversary.. ;) Anyway.. I really don't know much about RMS's actual talk.. but he's addressing the IEEE Computer Sosciety chapter. Watch here for details: http://www.ieee-cs-cts.org/ IEEE CS/SA usually has fairly open meetings.. however due to the venue of this one, I don't know if they're allowing walk-ins or not. RSVP queries should be sent to Yu from the IEEE student chapter here: Yu Zhang (please don't all bombard her with questions.. let Todd ask on behalf of SATLUG k?) Tweeks From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Mon Feb 9 11:49:21 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Mon Feb 9 11:49:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <498EBE63.6070603@clamp.ws> Message-ID: <336089.59959.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -- On Sun, 2/8/09, Storey Clamp wrote: > From: Storey Clamp > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 6:13 AM > rms has spent almost 20 years trying to accomplish what > Linus did in one year. Most of his talks include a rant > about how most users of our favorite operating system call > it Linux instead of "GNU/Linux", which deprives > him of what he feels is his fair share of credit. I do not > plan to hang around the Trinity Campus waving a GNU flag in > hope of getting an autograph. > > I use vi, not Emacs > -- _______________________________________________ guess renaming the user group to SA_GNULUG is out of order too.. ;) cheers, enrique. From m.a.wallace at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 13:25:38 2009 From: m.a.wallace at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Feb 9 13:25:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Command Line Warriors - Ten Cool Coreutils Commands In-Reply-To: <498D1695.5040001@gmail.com> References: <498D12A5.4070007@gmail.com> <498D1695.5040001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36217ddc0902091125r39587566gc4d988e6cacfdd37@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > ed wrote: > >> Hey folks? Is this old news, >> > > Yes. > > or useful? >> > > Some are, some aren't. The most common place you see these is in scripts. > > I use tee and wc relatively often. I occasionally use 'yes' and the > programming version of stat. It's easier to use vim instead of expand > unless you need to do it to a lot of files. I use a2ps instead of pr. > > The rest are not very useful. > Of all the commands, I use wc the most, but 95% of the time, it's with the -l option. Rarely do I count lines in a file, but instead I count total results returned from other commands (find, grep, etc). I don't use it much, but when necessary the uniq command can be very useful. I usually only use "uniq -c" which gives a count of occurances. I like counting things. Can you tell? Say you need to know how many .mp3 files each user has under their home directory. Just pipe together a find, cut, sort and uniq. I use "tail -f" rather than tee. With tail, you can watch the activity on any file being appended to, regardless of the process that created it. Also, if you need to temporarily do something else, you can ^C the tail process, do something, and then "tail -f" again. There's no doing any of that with tee. The split command is useful when you need to look at some monster sized log file and the file is so large that vi/emacs won't open it. Otherwise, it is pretty useless. -Mike From president at satlug.org Mon Feb 9 13:47:06 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Mon Feb 9 13:47:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Shirt Status Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0902091147y1eaee121n5b5e78dd8b706ffa@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I have 23 shirts paid for. I will be collecting the last one this afternoon after I get off work. This is pretty much the last chance on getting a shirt anytime in the near future. I am going to wait until Thursday afternoon to order the shirts. If you still want a shirt, contact me TODAY! & I will make arrangements to meet you over the next couple of evenings (or at lunchtime if you are on the Southwest side of town.) I don't want anyone to say that they did not have an opportunity to order themselves a shirt. Jim Wells From travis+ml-satlug at subspacefield.org Mon Feb 9 13:54:40 2009 From: travis+ml-satlug at subspacefield.org (Travis) Date: Mon Feb 9 13:54:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] organizing large numbers of files Message-ID: <20090209195440.GO6522@subspacefield.org> So I've got a large number of e-books that I want to sort, rename, and organize and I'm wondering if there is some kind of file manipulation program that would make this easier. Is there anything that you would recommend? I'm looking at Midnight Commander and it looks like it might be useful for this purpose; anyone have any other suggestions? -- Crypto ergo sum. http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/ Do unto other faiths as you would have them do unto yours. If you are a spammer, please email john@subspacefield.org to get blacklisted. From michael at michaelrice.org Mon Feb 9 14:21:09 2009 From: michael at michaelrice.org (michael) Date: Mon Feb 9 14:21:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Command Line Warriors - Ten Cool Coreutils Commands In-Reply-To: <36217ddc0902091125r39587566gc4d988e6cacfdd37@mail.gmail.com> References: <498D12A5.4070007@gmail.com> <498D1695.5040001@gmail.com> <36217ddc0902091125r39587566gc4d988e6cacfdd37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49909035.9030208@grandecom.net> I have seen many people on the net mentioning about counting grep results by piping though to wc -l just an fyi grep will count its own results -c or --count Mike Wallace wrote: > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > >> ed wrote: >> >> >>> Hey folks? Is this old news, >>> >>> >> Yes. >> >> or useful? >> >> Some are, some aren't. The most common place you see these is in scripts. >> >> I use tee and wc relatively often. I occasionally use 'yes' and the >> programming version of stat. It's easier to use vim instead of expand >> unless you need to do it to a lot of files. I use a2ps instead of pr. >> >> The rest are not very useful. >> >> > > > Of all the commands, I use wc the most, but 95% of the time, it's with the > -l option. Rarely do I count lines in a file, but instead I count total > results returned from other commands (find, grep, etc). > > I don't use it much, but when necessary the uniq command can be very > useful. I usually only use "uniq -c" which gives a count of occurances. I > like counting things. Can you tell? Say you need to know how many .mp3 > files each user has under their home directory. Just pipe together a find, > cut, sort and uniq. > > I use "tail -f" rather than tee. With tail, you can watch the activity on > any file being appended to, regardless of the process that created it. > Also, if you need to temporarily do something else, you can ^C the tail > process, do something, and then "tail -f" again. There's no doing any of > that with tee. > > The split command is useful when you need to look at some monster sized log > file and the file is so large that vi/emacs won't open it. Otherwise, it is > pretty useless. > > -Mike > From m.a.wallace at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:31:32 2009 From: m.a.wallace at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Mon Feb 9 15:31:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Command Line Warriors - Ten Cool Coreutils Commands In-Reply-To: <49909035.9030208@grandecom.net> References: <498D12A5.4070007@gmail.com> <498D1695.5040001@gmail.com> <36217ddc0902091125r39587566gc4d988e6cacfdd37@mail.gmail.com> <49909035.9030208@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <36217ddc0902091331l1b67e4d0tf3916a544841a7be@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:21 PM, michael wrote: > I have seen many people on the net mentioning about counting grep results > by piping though to wc -l just an fyi grep will count its own results -c or > --count Grep will count its own results, but that may not be what you want it to do. For example, say that you want to find how many log files contain the string "foo". In this case, you want to count the number of files matched, not the the number of times "foo" appeared. To find out how many files contain a string, you can use grep with wc: grep -l "foo" *.log | wc -l Also note that the -c option to grep will print out a file name and count for each file that matches. This may also not be what you want grep to do. If you want a sum total of all occurrences of "foo" across multiple files, you'd need: cat *.log | grep -c "foo" So the long and short of it is that "grep -c" will count for you, but only if you're interested in counting occurrences per file. I had the first example in mind when I made my earlier post. Sorry that it wasn't clear. -Mike From jasongeorge at satx.rr.com Mon Feb 9 19:49:55 2009 From: jasongeorge at satx.rr.com (Jason George) Date: Mon Feb 9 19:50:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Server & storage for sale... Message-ID: <20090210015010.FANS18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@ICHIGO> Fellow SATLUG crew- In order to finance a new workbench in my garage, I need to sell some older equipment that I no longer use or don't have the time to configure. Here's what I need to sell: Compaq 1850R rackmount server - Dual 550MHz processors w/ 896 MB RAM - Compaq Smart 2DH Array Controller - (4) 18.2 GB SCSI drives + 4 spares - 1 floppy drive, 1 CDROM drive - 2 spare 500MHz procs w/ VRM - 2 power supplies + 3 spares - Compaq SmartStart 5.4 CD for building the array [[Asking $200]] Compaq Storageworks Raid Array 4100 - Enclosure holds 12 drives - Includes 12 18.2 GB SCSI drives (+4 spares) - Compaq Series 4220 Model #1063 Fibre Hub (PN: 00301001-904) w/ 6 GBICs - Compaq FC Storage Hub (PN: 340626-002) [[Asking $300]] Please email off-list if you're interested or have any questions. Thank you. From dvprogs at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 20:24:14 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Mon Feb 9 20:24:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [SATLUG[ GNULinux would not exist were it not for RMS ? Message-ID: <7f9598380902091824u7226774ax30af2c37479aeb21@mail.gmail.com> I'm shocked that anyone would compare what Mr. Stallman has done compared to what Mr. Torvalds has done, just based on one project. I'm further shocked that someone who should know better would not give Mr. Stallman due credit for what he's done for the free software movement. I don't expect anyone to like Mr. Stallman, but to not even acknowledge his hard work over many, many years on many different projects, without which we would not be where we're at, is, well, silly. I am sorry you would just dismiss someone's hard work, just for their "personality," irregardless of their efforts to make software free, even for you. Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:41:11 -0600 > From: skolars > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" < > satlug@satlug.org> > Storey Clamp wrote: > > ... rms has spent almost 20 years trying to accomplish what Linus did in one > year. Most of his talks include a rant about how most users of our favorite > operating system call it Linux instead of "GNU/Linux", which deprives him of > what he feels is his fair share of credit. I do not plan to hang around > the Trinity Campus waving a GNU flag in hope of getting an autograph. > > > > I use vi, not Emacs > Well said Storey. I have talked to him at a couple different Usenix > conferences. He was impossible to talk to if I did not preface > everything with GNU. After two times in person and once on the phone I > gave up trying to talk to him. He has done a lot of good stuff but > needs to lighten up a little. > > Steve > :wq > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 9 21:19:16 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Feb 9 21:19:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? Message-ID: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Hello Ms. Zhang, My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I understand that seating might be limited for this event but was wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any information about this event and the requirements to attend that you might provide. Thank you in advance Todd W. Bucy From mkr777 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 21:25:58 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Mon Feb 9 21:26:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a larger meeting room or auditorium. I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut 50-100, and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location and all enjoyed the meeting. MKRamadoss On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Hello Ms. Zhang, > > My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be > having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I > understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the > SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any > information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > might provide. > > Thank you in advance > Todd W. Bucy > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 9 21:49:32 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Feb 9 21:49:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to attend please move you comments to another thread. Thanks Todd On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would > like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a larger > meeting room or auditorium. > > I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut 50-100, > and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location and > all enjoyed the meeting. > > MKRamadoss > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > Hello Ms. Zhang, > > > > My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > > User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > > information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be > > having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I > > understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > > wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the > > SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any > > information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > > might provide. > > > > Thank you in advance > > Todd W. Bucy > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 9 22:18:21 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:18:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234239501.6945.24.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Ms. Zhang, Thank you for your prompt reply. I will pass the information on to SATLUG and will work on getting you a head count within the next month or so. Thank you very much and we look forward to the event. Todd From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 9 22:22:04 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:22:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] organizing large numbers of files Message-ID: <537502.79947.qm@web50409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Travis wrote: > I'm looking at Midnight Commander and it looks like it might be useful > for this purpose; anyone have any other suggestions? IMHO, nothing better then mc for quick, easy file management. Bill From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 9 22:23:22 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:23:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1234239802.6945.30.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Hey all Ms. Zhang has sent me some info on the RMS event. thought I would pass it along. -------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:53:09 -0600 (CST) From: Yu Zhang To: MKR Cc: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? Dear SATLUG members, Thank you for contacting me for this event. Stallman will be here in late April and his talk will be open to public. We are now working on every detail of the arrangement. We hosted Stroustrup four years ago and his talked was in a big meeting room with 200+ seats. We expect to have at least the similar size of the audiences this time. Therefore, if you can tell me the number of your members who would like to attend, that can help us to better anticipate the size of the audiences and arrange a proper place for the talk. Best Regards, Yu From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 9 22:23:35 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:23:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? Message-ID: <582540.7366.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Well I guess I make 1 so far.? are you interested?? Not sure but it also > sounded like Nate might be interested as well.? any other takers? I'd also be interested. Bill From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 22:34:34 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:34:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <582540.7366.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <582540.7366.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <499103DA.7060906@gmail.com> That clown again.... wrote: > I'd also be interested. > Ditto. While I don't agree with everything he's said in the past, I would like to hear him speak in person. ~Nate From mkr777 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 22:40:33 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:40:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: Count me in - 1 more. Thanks Ramadoss On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also > sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? > and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to > attend please move you comments to another thread. > > Thanks > Todd > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > > If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would > > like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a > larger > > meeting room or auditorium. > > > > I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut > 50-100, > > and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location > and > > all enjoyed the meeting. > > > > MKRamadoss > > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy >wrote: > > > > > Hello Ms. Zhang, > > > > > > My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > > > User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > > > information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be > > > having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I > > > understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > > > wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the > > > SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any > > > information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > > > might provide. > > > > > > Thank you in advance > > > Todd W. Bucy > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Mon Feb 9 22:51:13 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Mon Feb 9 22:52:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <499107C1.6020407@futuretechsolutions.com> Add another to the list. MKR wrote: > Count me in - 1 more. > Thanks > Ramadoss > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also >> sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? >> and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to >> attend please move you comments to another thread. >> >> Thanks >> Todd >> >> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: >>> If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would >>> like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a >> larger >>> meeting room or auditorium. >>> >>> I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut >> 50-100, >>> and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location >> and >>> all enjoyed the meeting. >>> >>> MKRamadoss >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Ms. Zhang, >>>> >>>> My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux >>>> User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some >>>> information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be >>>> having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I >>>> understand that seating might be limited for this event but was >>>> wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the >>>> SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any >>>> information about this event and the requirements to attend that you >>>> might provide. >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance >>>> Todd W. Bucy >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> From hharadon at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 23:11:59 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Mon Feb 9 23:12:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] R. Stallman Talk Message-ID: Todd, thanks for working on this. If there is room, I would like to attend. Stallman deserves a lot of respect for his work on open software. I will use a 4-5 minute video of RMS explaining the reasons for software freedom in the newbie class at the May OpenSource Fest. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 9 23:27:36 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Feb 9 23:27:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <499107C1.6020407@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499107C1.6020407@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1234243656.6945.56.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Head count so far is 8 +/- 1. Todd On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:51 -0600, Charles Hogan wrote: > Add another to the list. > > MKR wrote: > > Count me in - 1 more. > > Thanks > > Ramadoss > > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > >> Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also > >> sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? > >> and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to > >> attend please move you comments to another thread. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Todd > >> > >> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > >>> If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would > >>> like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a > >> larger > >>> meeting room or auditorium. > >>> > >>> I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut > >> 50-100, > >>> and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location > >> and > >>> all enjoyed the meeting. > >>> > >>> MKRamadoss > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello Ms. Zhang, > >>>> > >>>> My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > >>>> User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > >>>> information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be > >>>> having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I > >>>> understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > >>>> wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the > >>>> SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any > >>>> information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > >>>> might provide. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you in advance > >>>> Todd W. Bucy > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> From pixelnate at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 23:27:49 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Mon Feb 9 23:27:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] R. Stallman Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49911055.1000903@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > Todd, thanks for working on this. If there is > room, I would like to attend. Stallman deserves > a lot of respect for his work on open software. I > will use a 4-5 minute video of RMS explaining > the reasons for software freedom in the newbie class > at the May OpenSource Fest. > Just remember that it is FREE software that RMS is most passionate about, not open or open source software. ~Nate From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 9 23:34:34 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Feb 9 23:34:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] R. Stallman Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1234244074.6945.60.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> thanks my pleasure. and now for a shameless plug... Hey guys maybe we should all try and get our SATLUG shirt orders in before its too late right Jim Todd On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 23:11 -0600, Howard Haradon wrote: > Todd, thanks for working on this. If there is > room, I would like to attend. Stallman deserves > a lot of respect for his work on open software. I > will use a 4-5 minute video of RMS explaining > the reasons for software freedom in the newbie class > at the May OpenSource Fest. > > Howard > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 9 23:44:03 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Feb 9 23:44:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [SATLUG[ GNULinux would not exist were it not for RMS ? In-Reply-To: <7f9598380902091824u7226774ax30af2c37479aeb21@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f9598380902091824u7226774ax30af2c37479aeb21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234244643.6945.65.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Ill admit that RMS has contributed a great deal to the F/OSS. but if its one thing I have noted that with great talent comes great ego. That and the F/OSS community seems to thrive in an environment of internecine flame wars. So a lot of this stuff one should just take with a grain of salt you know Todd On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:24 -0500, D Villarreal wrote: > I'm shocked that anyone would compare what Mr. Stallman has done compared to > what Mr. Torvalds has done, just based on one project. I'm further shocked > that someone who should know better would not give Mr. Stallman due credit > for what he's done for the free software movement. I don't expect anyone to > like Mr. Stallman, but to not even acknowledge his hard work over many, many > years on many different projects, without which we would not be where we're > at, is, well, silly. > > I am sorry you would just dismiss someone's hard work, just for their > "personality," irregardless of their efforts to make software free, even for > you. > > > > Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:41:11 -0600 > > From: skolars > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" < > > satlug@satlug.org> > > Storey Clamp wrote: > > > > > ... rms has spent almost 20 years trying to accomplish what Linus did in one > > year. Most of his talks include a rant about how most users of our favorite > > operating system call it Linux instead of "GNU/Linux", which deprives him of > > what he feels is his fair share of credit. I do not plan to hang around > > the Trinity Campus waving a GNU flag in hope of getting an autograph. > > > > > > I use vi, not Emacs > > Well said Storey. I have talked to him at a couple different Usenix > > conferences. He was impossible to talk to if I did not preface > > everything with GNU. After two times in person and once on the phone I > > gave up trying to talk to him. He has done a lot of good stuff but > > needs to lighten up a little. > > > > Steve > > :wq > > From michael at michaelrice.org Mon Feb 9 23:58:40 2009 From: michael at michaelrice.org (michael) Date: Mon Feb 9 23:58:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234243656.6945.56.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499107C1.6020407@futuretechsolutions.com> <1234243656.6945.56.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <49911790.4080406@grandecom.net> Count me in too - 1 more Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Head count so far is 8 +/- 1. > > Todd > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:51 -0600, Charles Hogan wrote: > >> Add another to the list. >> >> MKR wrote: >> >>> Count me in - 1 more. >>> Thanks >>> Ramadoss >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also >>>> sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? >>>> and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to >>>> attend please move you comments to another thread. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: >>>> >>>>> If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would >>>>> like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a >>>>> >>>> larger >>>> >>>>> meeting room or auditorium. >>>>> >>>>> I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut >>>>> >>>> 50-100, >>>> >>>>> and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location >>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>> all enjoyed the meeting. >>>>> >>>>> MKRamadoss >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Ms. Zhang, >>>>>> >>>>>> My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux >>>>>> User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some >>>>>> information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be >>>>>> having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I >>>>>> understand that seating might be limited for this event but was >>>>>> wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the >>>>>> SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any >>>>>> information about this event and the requirements to attend that you >>>>>> might provide. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you in advance >>>>>> Todd W. Bucy >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>> >>>> > > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 10 00:10:03 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Feb 10 00:10:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <49911790.4080406@grandecom.net> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499107C1.6020407@futuretechsolutions.com> <1234243656.6945.56.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49911790.4080406@grandecom.net> Message-ID: And one more makes ten (more or less.) --Don michael wrote: >Count me in too - 1 more > >Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> Head count so far is 8 +/- 1. >> >> Todd -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 00:31:16 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Feb 10 00:31:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [SATLUG[ GNULinux would not exist were it not for RMS ? In-Reply-To: <1234244643.6945.65.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <7f9598380902091824u7226774ax30af2c37479aeb21@mail.gmail.com> <1234244643.6945.65.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <49911F34.7010200@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Ill admit that RMS has contributed a great deal to the F/OSS. but if > its one thing I have noted that with great talent comes great ego. Ego is one thing. Disdain for others who don't agree with every nuance of your opinion is another. RMS has a reputation of not respecting others' honest opinions. Perhaps he gets more attention that way to further his cause, but I think it detracts from his overall goals. -- Bruce From afcasta at satx.rr.com Tue Feb 10 02:12:26 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Tue Feb 10 02:12:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [SATLUG[ GNULinux would not exist were it not for RMS ? In-Reply-To: <49911F34.7010200@gmail.com> References: <7f9598380902091824u7226774ax30af2c37479aeb21@mail.gmail.com> <1234244643.6945.65.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49911F34.7010200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234253546.6827.16.camel@phrodo> On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 00:31 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > Ill admit that RMS has contributed a great deal to the F/OSS. but if > > its one thing I have noted that with great talent comes great ego. > > Ego is one thing. Disdain for others who don't agree with every nuance of your > opinion is another. RMS has a reputation of not respecting others' honest > opinions. Perhaps he gets more attention that way to further his cause, but I > think it detracts from his overall goals. > > -- Bruce I got into a "discussion" with him at LISA about using a commercial database on Linux (oops... GNU/Linux) and found him quite inflexible about running anything on GNU/Linux that isn't FREE software. This was years ago, before MySQL could do much as a transactional database, and we were using PeopleSoft [1] on Red Hat Advanced Server [2] to track satellite time usage at a small telecomms company. When I asked him what FREE software could handle what we were doing, his answer was, "Write it yourself." I respect his contributions, and have enjoyed using EMACS with Gnus, but talking down to a sysadmin who asks a reasonable question like that does little to promote social harmony. [1] before Oracle bought them [2] no, not RHEL AS - it came with Netscape web server Al Castanoli From dvprogs at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 06:37:29 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Tue Feb 10 06:37:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <20090210034939.7EF7A43ED5B@satlug.org> References: <20090210034939.7EF7A43ED5B@satlug.org> Message-ID: <7f9598380902100437y291fd2bfl1403666991fa46e5@mail.gmail.com> > > From: Travis > > > Subject: [SATLUG] organizing large numbers of files > So I've got a large number of e-books that I want to sort, rename, and > organize and I'm wondering if there is some kind of file manipulation > program that would make this easier. Is there anything that you would > recommend? > > I'm looking at Midnight Commander and it looks like it might be useful > for this purpose; anyone have any other suggestions? > For file organizing I like to keep a terminal running mc open, a smaller terminal for syncing my disk writes, and depending on how many disks I am working with, extra terminals open for other mc sessions. There are tools for finding duplicates (fdupes is one). I use diff to compare files. I suppose you're talking about pdf files, and there are utilities for editing/merging those, etc. Good luck. From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 12:47:26 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Tue Feb 10 12:47:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <549794.5454.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> me too. Enrique. --- On Mon, 2/9/09, MKR wrote: > From: MKR > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:40 PM > Count me in - 1 more. > Thanks > Ramadoss > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy > wrote: > > > Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? > Not sure but it also > > sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any > other takers? > > and please we are trying to get a head count so if you > do not want to > > attend please move you comments to another thread. > > > > Thanks > > Todd > > > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > > > If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how > many of our members would > > > like to attend, then an attempt can be made to > move the meeting to a > > larger > > > meeting room or auditorium. > > > > > > I was faced with a similar situation years ago > when we expected abut > > 50-100, > > > and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was > moved to a larger location > > and > > > all enjoyed the meeting. > > > > > > MKRamadoss > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Ms. Zhang, > > > > > > > > My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of > the San Antonio Linux > > > > User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks > that you might have some > > > > information about a presentation and talk > that Richard Stallman will be > > > > having with your organization, the San > Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I > > > > understand that seating might be limited for > this event but was > > > > wondering if there might be room for I and a > few other members of the > > > > SATLUG community to attend this event. We > would greatly appreciate any > > > > information about this event and the > requirements to attend that you > > > > might provide. > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance > > > > Todd W. Bucy > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu Tue Feb 10 12:58:20 2009 From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell) Date: Tue Feb 10 12:58:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Spansih settings in SUSE Message-ID: <4991CE4C.5080304@cis.sac.accd.edu> I have some students who are trying to get a Nix(SUSE) running in Spanish. The install is entirely in Spanish but when it boots up it is in English.... Any guidance. Different subject does M$ have a Spanish version. They are trying to get their grandparents (from Mexico) online. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@mail.accd.edu gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related} San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget! "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 10 13:03:21 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Tue Feb 10 13:03:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources Message-ID: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is there a local source for Linux Install/Live CDs?? I'm looking for Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 in particular.? Thanks. Art Hall From leif at paisd.net Tue Feb 10 12:09:43 2009 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Tue Feb 10 13:05:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've an 8.04 here: http://redfish.port-aransas.k12.tx.us/auth/ -- Sincerely, Leif Johnson (361) 749-1200 x. 316 http://blog.paisd.net On Tue, 10 Feb 2009, Arthur Hall wrote: > Is there a local source for Linux Install/Live CDs?? I'm looking for Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 in particular.? Thanks. > Art Hall > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 13:06:22 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Feb 10 13:06:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4991D02E.10301@gmail.com> Arthur Hall wrote: > Is there a local source for Linux Install/Live CDs? I'm looking for Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 in particular. Thanks. > I know Best Buy sells/sold 8.04. No reason to believe they don't sell 8.10 now. ~Nate From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 10 13:17:01 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Feb 10 13:17:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:03:21 -0800 (PST), Arthur Hall wrote: >Is there a local source for Linux Install/Live CDs?? I'm looking for Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 in particular.? Thanks. >Art Hall SATLUG has CDs and DVDs at our booth at the computer show. Since the next one is March 14th, I could bring some to the meeting tomorrow night. Would you want anything other than Ubuntu? --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From jdchoate at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 13:43:14 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Tue Feb 10 13:43:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200902101343.15044.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Tuesday 10 February 2009 13:03:21 Arthur Hall wrote: > Is there a local source for Linux Install/Live CDs?? I'm looking for Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 in particular.? Thanks. > Art Hall Linux Format magazine has an Ubuntu 8.10 DVD in the back of their recent issue. It's an expensive magazine, $11+, but it can be found at Borders books in the Forum and probably elsewhere. From xm4n100 at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 13:47:03 2009 From: xm4n100 at gmail.com (Xavier Naldo) Date: Tue Feb 10 13:47:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: SATLUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <20090210052756.6EF8443EDAE@satlug.org> References: <20090210052756.6EF8443EDAE@satlug.org> Message-ID: My name is Xavier. I would also love to attend the event to hear Mr. Stallman. I have been wanting to get a chance to see/talk to this wonderful person but opportunity was never presented to me until I heard about it in this mailling list. So count me in!!! Thank You, Xavier xm4n100@gmail.com On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:27 PM, wrote: > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > satlug@satlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > satlug-request@satlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > satlug-owner@satlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SATLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RMS Coming to town? (fwd) (Todd W. Bucy) > 2. Re: organizing large numbers of files (That clown again....) > 3. Re: RMS Coming to town? (Todd W. Bucy) > 4. Re: RMS Coming to town? (That clown again....) > 5. Re: RMS Coming to town? (N. Turnage) > 6. Re: RMS Coming to town? (MKR) > 7. Re: RMS Coming to town? (Charles Hogan) > 8. R. Stallman Talk (Howard Haradon) > 9. Re: RMS Coming to town? (Todd W. Bucy) > 10. Re: R. Stallman Talk (N. Turnage) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:18:21 -0600 > From: "Todd W. Bucy" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? (fwd) > To: Yu Zhang > Cc: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <1234239501.6945.24.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Ms. Zhang, > > Thank you for your prompt reply. I will pass the information on to > SATLUG and will work on getting you a head count within the next month > or so. Thank you very much and we look forward to the event. > > Todd > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:22:04 -0800 (PST) > From: "That clown again...." > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] organizing large numbers of files > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <537502.79947.qm@web50409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Travis > > wrote: > > I'm looking at Midnight Commander and it looks like it might be useful > > for this purpose; anyone have any other suggestions? > > > IMHO, nothing better then mc for quick, easy file management. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:23:22 -0600 > From: "Todd W. Bucy" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <1234239802.6945.30.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hey all > Ms. Zhang has sent me some info on the RMS event. thought I would pass > it along. > -------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:53:09 -0600 (CST) > From: Yu Zhang > To: MKR > Cc: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? > > Dear SATLUG members, > > Thank you for contacting me for this event. > > Stallman will be here in late April and his talk will be open to public. > We are > now working on every detail of the arrangement. We hosted Stroustrup > four years > ago and his talked was in a big meeting room with 200+ seats. We expect > to have > at least the similar size of the audiences this time. Therefore, if you > can > tell me the number of your members who would like to attend, that can > help us > to better anticipate the size of the audiences and arrange a proper > place for > the talk. > > Best Regards, > > Yu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:23:35 -0800 (PST) > From: "That clown again...." > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <582540.7366.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also > > sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? > > > I'd also be interested. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:34:34 -0600 > From: "N. Turnage" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <499103DA.7060906@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > That clown again.... wrote: > > I'd also be interested. > > > > Ditto. > > While I don't agree with everything he's said in the past, I would like > to hear him speak in person. > > > > > ~Nate > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:40:33 -0600 > From: MKR > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Count me in - 1 more. > Thanks > Ramadoss > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy >wrote: > > > Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also > > sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? > > and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to > > attend please move you comments to another thread. > > > > Thanks > > Todd > > > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > > > If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members > would > > > like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a > > larger > > > meeting room or auditorium. > > > > > > I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut > > 50-100, > > > and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger > location > > and > > > all enjoyed the meeting. > > > > > > MKRamadoss > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy > >wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Ms. Zhang, > > > > > > > > My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > > > > User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > > > > information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will > be > > > > having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. > I > > > > understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > > > > wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the > > > > SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate > any > > > > information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > > > > might provide. > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance > > > > Todd W. Bucy > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:51:13 -0600 > From: Charles Hogan > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <499107C1.6020407@futuretechsolutions.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Add another to the list. > > MKR wrote: > > Count me in - 1 more. > > Thanks > > Ramadoss > > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy >wrote: > > > >> Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also > >> sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? > >> and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to > >> attend please move you comments to another thread. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Todd > >> > >> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > >>> If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members > would > >>> like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a > >> larger > >>> meeting room or auditorium. > >>> > >>> I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut > >> 50-100, > >>> and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger > location > >> and > >>> all enjoyed the meeting. > >>> > >>> MKRamadoss > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello Ms. Zhang, > >>>> > >>>> My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > >>>> User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > >>>> information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will > be > >>>> having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I > >>>> understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > >>>> wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the > >>>> SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate > any > >>>> information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > >>>> might provide. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you in advance > >>>> Todd W. Bucy > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:11:59 -0600 > From: Howard Haradon > Subject: [SATLUG] R. Stallman Talk > To: satlug > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Todd, thanks for working on this. If there is > room, I would like to attend. Stallman deserves > a lot of respect for his work on open software. I > will use a 4-5 minute video of RMS explaining > the reasons for software freedom in the newbie class > at the May OpenSource Fest. > > Howard > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:27:36 -0600 > From: "Todd W. Bucy" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <1234243656.6945.56.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Head count so far is 8 +/- 1. > > Todd > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:51 -0600, Charles Hogan wrote: > > Add another to the list. > > > > MKR wrote: > > > Count me in - 1 more. > > > Thanks > > > Ramadoss > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy >wrote: > > > > > >> Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it > also > > >> sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? > > >> and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to > > >> attend please move you comments to another thread. > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> Todd > > >> > > >> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > > >>> If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members > would > > >>> like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a > > >> larger > > >>> meeting room or auditorium. > > >>> > > >>> I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut > > >> 50-100, > > >>> and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger > location > > >> and > > >>> all enjoyed the meeting. > > >>> > > >>> MKRamadoss > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy < > toddwbucy@grandecom.net > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hello Ms. Zhang, > > >>>> > > >>>> My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > > >>>> User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > > >>>> information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will > be > > >>>> having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. > I > > >>>> understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > > >>>> wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of > the > > >>>> SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate > any > > >>>> information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > > >>>> might provide. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thank you in advance > > >>>> Todd W. Bucy > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> SATLUG mailing list > > >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > > >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > >>>> > > >> -- > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SATLUG mailing list > > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:27:49 -0600 > From: "N. Turnage" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] R. Stallman Talk > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > Message-ID: <49911055.1000903@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Howard Haradon wrote: > > Todd, thanks for working on this. If there is > > room, I would like to attend. Stallman deserves > > a lot of respect for his work on open software. I > > will use a 4-5 minute video of RMS explaining > > the reasons for software freedom in the newbie class > > at the May OpenSource Fest. > > > > Just remember that it is FREE software that RMS is most passionate > about, not open or open source software. > > > > > ~Nate > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug > Powered by Rackspace (http://rackspace.com) > > End of SATLUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 > ************************************** > From mkr777 at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 14:41:05 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Tue Feb 10 14:41:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Fwd: Visit to San Antonio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is from horse's mouth. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard M Stallman Date: Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Visit to San Antonio To: MKR Yes, April 20 or 21. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 21:38:56 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Feb 10 21:38:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <445309.88853.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49924850.9050301@gmail.com> If you want, I can burn a few 8.04 or 8.10 for you. How many do you need? Cheers; Ed ============ Arthur Hall wrote: > Is there a local source for Linux Install/Live CDs? I'm looking for Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 in particular. Thanks. > Art Hall > From president at satlug.org Tue Feb 10 22:27:17 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Tue Feb 10 22:27:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting on Wednesday Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0902102027y39018159q47f723f8e8dcf972@mail.gmail.com> I know that Don mentioned the meeting on Wednesday the 11th, but just to send you a formal notice that yes we are having a meeting starting at 7pm. (probably a few minutes later for those of us that drag in a little late, and yes I've done that before!) Just an FYI regarding the SATLUG shirts, we now have the 24 needed to order them. I received an e-mail yesterday that one person is sending me a check for a few more shirts, but I haven't heard back from him so I don't know whether it has been sent yet or not. Anybody who still wants a shirt AND can make the meeting, do your best to make it. I'm hoping to get by the shirt embroiderer on Friday morning & get them ordered. I will let the list know when they actually get ordered. I do want to thank everyone's patience on getting this order together. I know it's been a LONG road. Jim Wells From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 10 23:05:25 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Tue Feb 10 23:05:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <49924850.9050301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed, Thanks for the offer.? I'm currently trying to figure out why the OS I downloaded from Leif Johnson's site won't?load when I boot up an IBM Aptiva. ?I'm trying to make it available to a refugee family our church is sponsoring.? The boot sequence is set to query the CD-RW first, then the floppy, then the hard drive.? Although the drive lights come on?in the right sequence during startup, Ubuntu doesn't load and the Xandros on the hard drive loads instead.? I may have done something wrong in downloading the "Ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso" file, but everything seemed normal and the file sizes match.? As a relative newbie, I'll admit I'm stumped at this point.? I'd like to solve the mystery, but taking you up on your offer may make more sense timewise.? If you have any ideas, I'd love to try them out.? Thanks again. Art Hall --- On Tue, 2/10/09, ed wrote: From: ed Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:38 PM If you want, I can burn a few 8.04 or 8.10 for you. How many do you need? Cheers; Ed ============ From mariocompeanc at yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 23:05:29 2009 From: mariocompeanc at yahoo.com (Mario Compean) Date: Tue Feb 10 23:05:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Spansih settings in SUSE In-Reply-To: <4991CE4C.5080304@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <526631.72597.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> to gboswell: I installed and have been using Mandriva 8 Spanish version for about 6 months. I read several Spanish newspapers (I also access these sites with Firefox in XP) online and other sites as well.? I need to do wordprocessing in Spanish frequently and have had problems with Open Office, mainly with the spell checker.? Otherwise Mandriva works ok. ?Hope this helps Mario --- On Tue, 2/10/09, gboswell wrote: From: gboswell Subject: [SATLUG] Spansih settings in SUSE To: satlug@satlug.org Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:58 AM I have some students who are trying to get a Nix(SUSE) running in Spanish. The install is entirely in Spanish but when it boots up it is in English.... Any guidance. Different subject does M$ have a Spanish version. They are trying to get their grandparents (from Mexico) online. Thanks Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@mail.accd.edu gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related} San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget! "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 23:29:46 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Feb 10 23:29:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4992624A.9050803@gmail.com> Hi Arthur; Hm. I can't explain that one, myself. I just burned 8 copies of Ubuntu 8.04 that I downloaded from links provided on the DistroWatch site, and used them last week on 6 Dell Optiplex GX-400s (2 bad burns) last week, and they went on without issue. Did you check the MD5 to see if it matched? You may have a bad ISO. Offer still open tho. If you'd like, please contact me off-list and we'll go from there. Cheers; Ed =========== Arthur Hall wrote: > Ed, > Thanks for the offer. I'm currently trying to figure out why the OS I downloaded from Leif Johnson's site won't load when I boot up an IBM Aptiva. I'm trying to make it available to a refugee family our church is sponsoring. The boot sequence is set to query the CD-RW first, then the floppy, then the hard drive. Although the drive lights come on in the right sequence during startup, Ubuntu doesn't load and the Xandros on the hard drive loads instead. I may have done something wrong in downloading the "Ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso" file, but everything seemed normal and the file sizes match. As a relative newbie, I'll admit I'm stumped at this point. I'd like to solve the mystery, but taking you up on your offer may make more sense timewise. If you have any ideas, I'd love to try them out. Thanks again. > Art Hall > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, ed wrote: > > From: ed > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:38 PM > > If you want, I can burn a few 8.04 or 8.10 for you. How many do you need? > > Cheers; > Ed > ============ > From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 02:09:32 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Wed Feb 11 02:09:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200902110209.32196.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Tuesday 10 February 2009 23:05:25 Arthur Hall wrote: > I may have done something wrong in downloading the > "Ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso" file, but everything seemed normal and the > file sizes match.? As a relative newbie, I'll admit I'm stumped at this > point. Since you call yourself a 'relative newbie', I have a question regarding your CD burning. Did you burn the .iso file straight to CD, or did you choose to burn a CD Image in your burning software? In case you burned it straight to CD, you will have to burn another disk using the create CD Image option and select that .iso as the CD image. If you knew that already, maybe the disk image you downloaded was corrupted somehow. John C. From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 14:51:40 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Feb 11 14:51:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:05:25 -0800 (PST) >From: Arthur Hall >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources >To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >Message-ID: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Ed, >Thanks for the offer. I'm currently trying to figure out why the OS I downloaded from Leif Johnson's >site won't load when I boot up an IBM Aptiva. < SNIP > >Art Hall Art, It's never a good idea to get your software from Viking explorers. I would stick to the distrowatch mirrors. Try http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 15:11:20 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:11:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49933EF8.1000205@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > Art, It's never a good idea to get your software from Viking > explorers. I would stick to the distrowatch mirrors. Try > http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ > Maybe you're thinking of Leif Eriksson? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Eriksson ~Nate From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 16:40:29 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Wed Feb 11 16:40:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902111640.29240.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Wednesday 11 February 2009 14:51:40 Howard Haradon wrote: > >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:05:25 -0800 (PST) > >From: Arthur Hall > >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources > >To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > >Message-ID: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > >Ed, > >Thanks for the offer. I'm currently trying to figure out why the OS I downloaded from Leif Johnson's >site won't load when I boot up an IBM Aptiva. < SNIP > > >Art Hall > > Art, It's never a good idea to get your software from Viking > explorers. I would stick to the distrowatch mirrors. Try > http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ > > Good luck, Howard > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA It turns out that the .iso file was burned directly to CD as an .iso file. From what Art described to me, it is the Windows CD burning utility telling him 'files are ready to write to CD', etc. Art needs some help with burning a CD image from that .iso file. I am at work and do not have the time to go into details about how to do this. If someone can help Art to use Nero or something else to write that CD image, that would be cool. From Art earlier today: "John, I have Nero available, but I don't know how to get the downloaded file onto the hard drive.? The only evidence I have of the Ubuntu file's availability is the icon on the CD-RW screen.? If I click on Write to CD, it will use a Windows wizard and put me back where I started from.? I don't see an option that allows me to send it to the hard drive instead.? What am I missing here?? If I can get it on the hard drive, where do I put it?? Thanks. Art" I know this is not a Windows mailing list, but Art needs some pointers getting this Ubuntu image burned to CD. John C. From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 11 18:01:32 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Wed Feb 11 18:01:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Success with Ubuntu Message-ID: <973915.63092.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Success!!!? Thanks to several members' help, the download and installation of Ubuntu 8.04 is going into its final stages.? I appreciate all of the advice and information you shared.? It was a good learning process that couldn't have had a happy ending without you.? All you newbies and near-newbies take heart - the expertise is just a few keystrokes away.? Thanks folks. Art Hall From nathan at gvtc.com Wed Feb 11 21:53:03 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Wed Feb 11 21:53:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> At the meeting tonight we starting talking about the March 14th Computer Show. Our focus for that show will be Accounting and Business software other then the standard 'Office' types. This could include Point Of Sale and Project Management software. For the May 30th show we started talking about 'control' software such as Don had one time running a model train or robotics. Nathan From dvprogs at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 04:25:43 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Thu Feb 12 04:25:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Spanish and Linux - local Mexican University Message-ID: <7f9598380902120225t25f1926du5bab05cae37c2c2d@mail.gmail.com> > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:58:20 -0600 From: gboswell < > gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu> Subject: [SATLUG] Spansih settings in SUSE > I have some students who are trying to get a Nix(SUSE) running in Spanish. > The install is entirely in Spanish but when it boots up it is in > English.... Any guidance. Different subject does M$ have a Spanish version. > They are trying to get their grandparents (from Mexico) online. > Boz Boz, I wouldn't worry about the boot-up in English.Whatever boot-up distro I have tried that has polyglot ability does the same thing, you have to be able to choose language from English menu at some point, but your mileage may vary. For example, booting up KNOPPIX_V6.0.1CD-2009-02-08-EN with "knoppix lang=es" brings up a desktop that apparently is in English, but the sub-menus are only partly in Spanish. (Knoppix is by a German engineer). Depending on taste, there are Spanish-language GNU/Linux distros available ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Spanish-language_Linux_distributions but they forgot http://www.mayix.net (Guatamala-based) MAX (http://www.educa.madrid.org/portal/c/portal/layout?p_l_id=10970.12&c=an ) LliureX (http://lliurex.net/home/) Also see... http://www.linuxlinks.com/Foreign/Spanish/ http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Spanish-HOWTO.html You could refer Spanish-speakers dealing with Mexican Spanish to http://www.microsoft.com/mexico/, but depending on where they live they may have difficulty finding a place to purchase MS products from. Not to mention it's going to be very expensive to them. You might also recommend the "Administraci?n b?sica del sistema Linux" class at UNAM. All Mexicans have access to excellent education. Regards, Daniel P.S. It would be nice if your local UNAM branch could coordinate with your CIS department (along with SATLUG and XCSSA) for installfests and so forth. I think the cultural interchange would be mutually beneficial. Their website is under construction (http://www.usa.unam.edu/), but they do have an email address posted. From leif at paisd.net Thu Feb 12 07:08:15 2009 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Thu Feb 12 08:05:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: CCLUG and Distos ? In-Reply-To: <1234445911.5010.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1234445911.5010.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: John: I just have a safe little spot on my network for some random .iso images. It's not really meant as a public distribution site, but rather a spot for me to store stuff on and old Pentium MMX 233 MHz box running a crufty old FC4. I'd be happy to share the link with ya'll though: http://redfish.port-aransas.k12.tx.us/auth/ I was just trying to help out a newt on SATLUG and took all kinds of abuse from Howie about being a Viking terrorist. Ha! I am ambitious. I am bilingual. I have a full head of hair. Sincerely, Leif Johnson (361) 749-1200 x. 316 http://blog.paisd.net On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, John Clements wrote: > Leif, > > Would you be willing to share your storage of Linux distros with the > cclug mailing list? Saw your post on satlug. > > John Clements > www.cclug.org > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Feb 12 08:27:12 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Feb 12 08:27:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <200902111640.29240.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200902111640.29240.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234448832.6988.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> have him read this Ubuntu how to. It gives instructions on how to burn a bootable image to disk. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto Todd On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 16:40 -0600, John D Choate wrote: > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 14:51:40 Howard Haradon wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:05:25 -0800 (PST) > > >From: Arthur Hall > > >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources > > >To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > > > > >Message-ID: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > >Ed, > > >Thanks for the offer. I'm currently trying to figure out why the OS I downloaded from Leif Johnson's >site won't load when I boot up an IBM Aptiva. < SNIP > > > >Art Hall > > > > Art, It's never a good idea to get your software from Viking > > explorers. I would stick to the distrowatch mirrors. Try > > http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ > > > > Good luck, Howard > > -- > > Howard Haradon > > San Antonio, TX USA > > It turns out that the .iso file was burned directly to CD as an .iso file. From what Art described to me, it is the Windows CD burning utility telling him 'files are ready to write to CD', etc. Art needs some help with burning a CD image from that .iso file. I am at work and do not have the time to go into details about how to do this. > If someone can help Art to use Nero or something else to write that CD image, that would be cool. > > >From Art earlier today: > > "John, > I have Nero available, but I don't know how to get the downloaded file onto the hard drive. The only evidence I have of the Ubuntu file's availability is the icon on the CD-RW screen. If I click on Write to CD, it will use a Windows wizard and put me back where I started from. I don't see an option that allows me to send it to the hard drive instead. What am I missing here? If I can get it on the hard drive, where do I put it? Thanks. > Art" > > > I know this is not a Windows mailing list, but Art needs some pointers getting this Ubuntu image burned to CD. > > John C. From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Feb 12 09:20:09 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Feb 12 09:20:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20090212092009.64576xs0nvgsx0qo@shlrm.org> Quoting Nathan : > At the meeting tonight we starting talking about the March 14th > Computer Show. > > Our focus for that show will be Accounting and Business software > other then the standard 'Office' types. This could include Point Of > Sale and Project Management software. > > For the May 30th show we started talking about 'control' software > such as Don had one time running a model train or robotics. > > Nathan That's pretty awesome. Well the Accounting and Business software. There's KMyMoney2 and GnuCash. Those are probably the leaders in open source. I wouldn't discount QuickBooks, via wine or crossover office. QuickBooks is like the defacto standard. Supposedly it works in wine/crossover office. Most business types, unless they've got a hook for Open Source software, want stuff to just work. The software is a tool in their money making arsenal. If it seems to cost them money to do it, and sometimes time is more valuable than money, they probably won't be interested. At least, that's my experience with it. I don't know of any PoS software, however I do know that CircuitCity used to use something written on a linux platform to handle their Point of Sale stuff. I'd be interested to know what people find. That'd be fun to set up :) -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From mkr777 at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 09:48:16 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Thu Feb 12 09:48:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20090212092009.64576xs0nvgsx0qo@shlrm.org> References: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> <20090212092009.64576xs0nvgsx0qo@shlrm.org> Message-ID: I would add Quicken to Quickbooks. Quicken is much easier to use unless you want the other added functions. mkr On 2/12/09, David Kowis wrote: > > Quoting Nathan : > > At the meeting tonight we starting talking about the March 14th Computer >> Show. >> >> Our focus for that show will be Accounting and Business software other >> then the standard 'Office' types. This could include Point Of Sale and >> Project Management software. >> >> For the May 30th show we started talking about 'control' software such as >> Don had one time running a model train or robotics. >> >> Nathan >> > > > That's pretty awesome. Well the Accounting and Business software. > > There's KMyMoney2 and GnuCash. Those are probably the leaders in open > source. I wouldn't discount QuickBooks, via wine or crossover office. > QuickBooks is like the defacto standard. Supposedly it works in > wine/crossover office. > Most business types, unless they've got a hook for Open Source software, > want stuff to just work. The software is a tool in their money making > arsenal. If it seems to cost them money to do it, and sometimes time is more > valuable than money, they probably won't be interested. At least, that's my > experience with it. > > I don't know of any PoS software, however I do know that CircuitCity used > to use something written on a linux platform to handle their Point of Sale > stuff. I'd be interested to know what people find. That'd be fun to set up > :) > > -- > David Kowis > Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org > Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Feb 12 10:05:20 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Feb 12 10:05:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20090212092009.64576xs0nvgsx0qo@shlrm.org> References: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> <20090212092009.64576xs0nvgsx0qo@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1234454720.7576.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 09:20 -0600, David Kowis wrote: > Quoting Nathan : > > > At the meeting tonight we starting talking about the March 14th > > Computer Show. > > > > Our focus for that show will be Accounting and Business software > > other then the standard 'Office' types. This could include Point Of > > Sale and Project Management software. > > > > For the May 30th show we started talking about 'control' software > > such as Don had one time running a model train or robotics. > > > > Nathan > > > That's pretty awesome. Well the Accounting and Business software. > > There's KMyMoney2 and GnuCash. Those are probably the leaders in open > source. I wouldn't discount QuickBooks, via wine or crossover office. > QuickBooks is like the defacto standard. Supposedly it works in > wine/crossover office. > Most business types, unless they've got a hook for Open Source > software, want stuff to just work. The software is a tool in their > money making arsenal. If it seems to cost them money to do it, and > sometimes time is more valuable than money, they probably won't be > interested. At least, that's my experience with it. > > I don't know of any PoS software, however I do know that CircuitCity > used to use something written on a linux platform to handle their > Point of Sale stuff. I'd be interested to know what people find. > That'd be fun to set up :) > > -- > David Kowis > Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org > Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com I seem to remember a PoS system called Aloha which was F/OSS bassed. I may be wrong Todd From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 11:27:49 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Feb 12 11:27:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Success with Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <973915.63092.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <973915.63092.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200902121127.49695.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:01:32 Arthur Hall wrote: > Success!!!? Thanks to several members' help, the download and installation of Ubuntu 8.04 is going into its final stages.? I appreciate all of the advice and information you shared.? It was a good learning process that couldn't have had a happy ending without you.? All you newbies and near-newbies take heart - the expertise is just a few keystrokes away.? Thanks folks. > Art Hall Good to hear. Congrats! John C. From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 11:34:46 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Feb 12 11:34:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20090212092009.64576xs0nvgsx0qo@shlrm.org> References: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> <20090212092009.64576xs0nvgsx0qo@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <200902121134.46830.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 12 February 2009 09:20:09 David Kowis wrote: > I don't know of any PoS software, however I do know that CircuitCity ? > used to use something written on a linux platform to handle their ? > Point of Sale stuff. I'd be interested to know what people find. ? > That'd be fun to set up :) > There is a POS called Lemon (probably pronounced the Spanish way, since they use a lime/green lemon for their logo). http://lemonpos.sourceforge.net/ John C. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Thu Feb 12 11:48:57 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Thu Feb 12 11:49:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <6abb413e99684fd6a68f501834c1f58f.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >I don't know of any PoS software, however I do know that >CircuitCity used to use something written on a linux platform >to handle their Point of Sale stuff. I'd be interested to know >what people find. That'd be fun to set up :) --------------------------------------------------------------- gnucash does everything I require, and more. Autozone's POS runs on Linux, possibly Walmart too. Lou Ron has been right-on all these years - www.campaignforliberty.com From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 11:57:00 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Feb 12 11:57:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <200902121157.00867.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Wednesday 11 February 2009 21:53:03 Nathan wrote: > At the meeting tonight we starting talking about the March 14th Computer Show. > > Our focus for that show will be Accounting and Business software other then the standard 'Office' types. This could include Point Of Sale and Project Management software. > > For the May 30th show we started talking about 'control' software such as Don had one time running a model train or robotics. > > Nathan There is also financial software called HomeBank. I have never used it so I have no idea how good it is. http://homebank.free.fr/ John C. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 22:06:04 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Feb 12 22:05:59 2009 Subject: Resolved: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources In-Reply-To: <200902111640.29240.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200902111640.29240.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4994F1AC.80701@gmail.com> Problem has been resolved. Thanks to all for their help. :) Cheers; Ed ============= John D Choate wrote: > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 14:51:40 Howard Haradon wrote: > >>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:05:25 -0800 (PST) >>> From: Arthur Hall >>> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Local Linux CD Sources >>> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List >>> >> >> >>> Message-ID: <908002.94250.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> Ed, >>> Thanks for the offer. I'm currently trying to figure out why the OS I downloaded from Leif Johnson's >site won't load when I boot up an IBM Aptiva. < SNIP > >>> Art Hall >>> >> Art, It's never a good idea to get your software from Viking >> explorers. I would stick to the distrowatch mirrors. Try >> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ >> >> Good luck, Howard >> -- >> Howard Haradon >> San Antonio, TX USA >> > > It turns out that the .iso file was burned directly to CD as an .iso file. From what Art described to me, it is the Windows CD burning utility telling him 'files are ready to write to CD', etc. Art needs some help with burning a CD image from that .iso file. I am at work and do not have the time to go into details about how to do this. > If someone can help Art to use Nero or something else to write that CD image, that would be cool. > > From Art earlier today: > > "John, > I have Nero available, but I don't know how to get the downloaded file onto the hard drive. The only evidence I have of the Ubuntu file's availability is the icon on the CD-RW screen. If I click on Write to CD, it will use a Windows wizard and put me back where I started from. I don't see an option that allows me to send it to the hard drive instead. What am I missing here? If I can get it on the hard drive, where do I put it? Thanks. > Art" > > > I know this is not a Windows mailing list, but Art needs some pointers getting this Ubuntu image burned to CD. > > John C. > From justin.burdette at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 22:29:33 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Thu Feb 12 22:29:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <200902121157.00867.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <20090211195303.6814B233@resin09.mta.everyone.net> <200902121157.00867.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM, John D Choate wrote: > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 21:53:03 Nathan wrote: >> At the meeting tonight we starting talking about the March 14th Computer Show. >> >> Our focus for that show will be Accounting and Business software other then the standard 'Office' types. This could include Point Of Sale and Project Management software. >> >> For the May 30th show we started talking about 'control' software such as Don had one time running a model train or robotics. >> >> Nathan > > There is also financial software called HomeBank. I have never used it so I have no idea how good it is. > http://homebank.free.fr/ > > > John C. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > I know with absolute certainty that HEB's system is running on RedHat. I was actually surprised to see that...most people never see a POS unit booting up. One of my business clients has a program that probably would run in WINE, but I'm not even going to guess how much they pay for the software. Judging by how much the owner complains about it, I'll assume it's pretty high. Justin From tweeks at rackspace.com Fri Feb 13 17:41:17 2009 From: tweeks at rackspace.com (Tweeks) Date: Fri Feb 13 17:41:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Happy Sequential Epoch! Message-ID: <200902131741.18176.tweeks@rackspace.com> http://www.theweeks.org/tmp/PICS/epoch-1234567890.png http://www.theweeks.org/tmp/PICS/epoch-1234567890-google.png yaaaaay Tweeks From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 22:26:41 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Feb 13 22:26:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Epoch Time In-Reply-To: <499600DC.3010403@comcast.net> References: <499600DC.3010403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49964801.6080005@gmail.com> ?? Ed ======= Ian wrote: > Epoch Time! > From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Feb 14 01:19:08 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Feb 14 01:19:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Epoch Time In-Reply-To: <49964801.6080005@gmail.com> References: <499600DC.3010403@comcast.net> <49964801.6080005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4996706C.1050600@shub-internet.org> on 2/13/09 10:26 PM, ed said: > ?? See . -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From msellers at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 14 11:56:14 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael W Sellers) Date: Sat Feb 14 11:56:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <49911790.4080406@grandecom.net> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499107C1.6020407@futuretechsolutions.com> <1234243656.6945.56.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49911790.4080406@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <1234634174.5114.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'd love to attend. Please add my name, thanks. Mike Sellers On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 23:58 -0600, michael wrote: > Count me in too - 1 more > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > Head count so far is 8 +/- 1. > > > > Todd > > > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:51 -0600, Charles Hogan wrote: > > > >> Add another to the list. > >> > >> MKR wrote: > >> > >>> Count me in - 1 more. > >>> Thanks > >>> Ramadoss > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also > >>>> sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? > >>>> and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to > >>>> attend please move you comments to another thread. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Todd > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would > >>>>> like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a > >>>>> > >>>> larger > >>>> > >>>>> meeting room or auditorium. > >>>>> > >>>>> I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut > >>>>> > >>>> 50-100, > >>>> > >>>>> and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location > >>>>> > >>>> and > >>>> > >>>>> all enjoyed the meeting. > >>>>> > >>>>> MKRamadoss > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello Ms. Zhang, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > >>>>>> User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > >>>>>> information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be > >>>>>> having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I > >>>>>> understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > >>>>>> wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the > >>>>>> SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any > >>>>>> information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > >>>>>> might provide. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you in advance > >>>>>> Todd W. Bucy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SATLUG mailing list > >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >>>> > >>>> > > > > From msellers at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 14 12:13:53 2009 From: msellers at sbcglobal.net (Michael W Sellers) Date: Sat Feb 14 12:14:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <640471.28516.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <640471.28516.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1234635233.5114.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I understand that Mr. Stallman has Asperger's syndrome. So, in light of that, can we just give him a break on the social skills? A little understanding and tolerance would be appropriate here. Mike Sellers On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 07:11 -0800, wigyxz-satlug@yahoo.com wrote: > Years ago he stayed at an acquaintance of mine's house while > in town (not SA) for a talk. I recall my friend being > pretty excited about being able to chat him about about > things. He was a little dismayed to find rms somewhat > non-communicative and generally not too responsive to > wanting to hang out and geek talk, eg sitting at a > meal reading a book instead of joining the table > conversation... So, hope it goes well. Yeah, he's > a bit of an oddball, but he's got interesting things to say. > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Tweeks wrote: > > > From: Tweeks > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? > > To: satlug@satlug.org > > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:34 PM > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > On Thursday 05 February 2009 > > 05:01:28 pm N. Turnage wrote: > > > brian lewis wrote: > > > > Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) > > > > > > I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the > > best text editor for > > > linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode > > right on the spot. > > > > Hehe.. I'll have to remember that.. It looks like he > > doesn't like to stay in > > hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for > > the 1-2 nights while > > in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. hehe.. > > I'll have to take some "geek > > picks" while he's here. :) > > > > Tweeks > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sat Feb 14 16:50:12 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sat Feb 14 16:50:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234634174.5114.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1234237772.6945.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499107C1.6020407@futuretechsolutions.com> <1234243656.6945.56.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49911790.4080406@grandecom.net> <1234634174.5114.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1234651812.3668.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> the headcount so far is 15 +/- 2. I will send my estimate in of SATLUG attendance on 1 march 2009. Todd On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 11:56 -0600, Michael W Sellers wrote: > I'd love to attend. Please add my name, thanks. > > Mike Sellers > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 23:58 -0600, michael wrote: > > Count me in too - 1 more > > > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > Head count so far is 8 +/- 1. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:51 -0600, Charles Hogan wrote: > > > > > >> Add another to the list. > > >> > > >> MKR wrote: > > >> > > >>> Count me in - 1 more. > > >>> Thanks > > >>> Ramadoss > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Well I guess I make 1 so far. are you interested? Not sure but it also > > >>>> sounded like Nate might be interested as well. any other takers? > > >>>> and please we are trying to get a head count so if you do not want to > > >>>> attend please move you comments to another thread. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks > > >>>> Todd > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 21:25 -0600, MKR wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would > > >>>>> like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a > > >>>>> > > >>>> larger > > >>>> > > >>>>> meeting room or auditorium. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut > > >>>>> > > >>>> 50-100, > > >>>> > > >>>>> and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location > > >>>>> > > >>>> and > > >>>> > > >>>>> all enjoyed the meeting. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> MKRamadoss > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hello Ms. Zhang, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux > > >>>>>> User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some > > >>>>>> information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be > > >>>>>> having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I > > >>>>>> understand that seating might be limited for this event but was > > >>>>>> wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the > > >>>>>> SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any > > >>>>>> information about this event and the requirements to attend that you > > >>>>>> might provide. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thank you in advance > > >>>>>> Todd W. Bucy > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> SATLUG mailing list > > >>>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > > >>>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > >>>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> SATLUG mailing list > > >>>> SATLUG@satlug.org > > >>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > >>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > From jasongeorge at satx.rr.com Sat Feb 14 17:43:32 2009 From: jasongeorge at satx.rr.com (Jason George) Date: Sat Feb 14 17:44:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Server & storage for sale... In-Reply-To: <20090210015010.FANS18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@ICHIGO> Message-ID: <20090214234406.XLVT21761.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@ICHIGO> No takers. Lowering the prices. Compaq 1850R rackmount server + the works (see original msg) [[Asking $150]] Compaq Storageworks Raid Array 4100 + the works (see original msg) [[Asking $250]] -----Original Message----- Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Server & storage for sale... Fellow SATLUG crew- In order to finance a new workbench in my garage, I need to sell some older equipment that I no longer use or don't have the time to configure. Here's what I need to sell: Compaq 1850R rackmount server - Dual 550MHz processors w/ 896 MB RAM - Compaq Smart 2DH Array Controller - (4) 18.2 GB SCSI drives + 4 spares - 1 floppy drive, 1 CDROM drive - 2 spare 500MHz procs w/ VRM - 2 power supplies + 3 spares - Compaq SmartStart 5.4 CD for building the array [[Asking $200]] Compaq Storageworks Raid Array 4100 - Enclosure holds 12 drives - Includes 12 18.2 GB SCSI drives (+4 spares) - Compaq Series 4220 Model #1063 Fibre Hub (PN: 00301001-904) w/ 6 GBICs - Compaq FC Storage Hub (PN: 340626-002) [[Asking $300]] Please email off-list if you're interested or have any questions. Thank you. From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Feb 14 19:00:17 2009 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat Feb 14 19:00:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <49976921.1060303@camerontech.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'll go. MKR wrote: > If we could let Ms. Zhang know in advance, how many of our members would > like to attend, then an attempt can be made to move the meeting to a larger > meeting room or auditorium. > > I was faced with a similar situation years ago when we expected abut 50-100, > and nearly 500+ showed up and the meeting was moved to a larger location and > all enjoyed the meeting. > > MKRamadoss > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> Hello Ms. Zhang, >> >> My name is Todd W. Bucy and I am a member of the San Antonio Linux >> User's Group. I was told by Tom Weeks that you might have some >> information about a presentation and talk that Richard Stallman will be >> having with your organization, the San Antonio Chapter of the IEEE. I >> understand that seating might be limited for this event but was >> wondering if there might be room for I and a few other members of the >> SATLUG community to attend this event. We would greatly appreciate any >> information about this event and the requirements to attend that you >> might provide. >> >> Thank you in advance >> Todd W. Bucy >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJl2khmzle50YHwaARAkXGAJ9OgGidHEHqPAOlegV4RBO8PC4ADACfZz9X bR2w4s07GYvTU19svLaB1ks= =hk6+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jjsa at gvtc.com Sat Feb 14 21:18:43 2009 From: jjsa at gvtc.com (Jim Johannsen) Date: Sat Feb 14 21:18:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS Coming to town? In-Reply-To: <49976921.1060303@camerontech.com> References: <1234235956.6945.17.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49976921.1060303@camerontech.com> Message-ID: <49978993.7080309@gvtc.com> Add 1 more. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Feb 15 01:58:10 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Feb 15 01:58:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] XCSSA Meeting Mon Night on AC/DC Electronics, Power Supply Design, and Cell-Phone wares! Message-ID: <200902150158.10918.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> FYI.. http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2009-02-16.html Tweeks From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 09:03:06 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Feb 15 09:03:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how do I enlarge my cursor Hardy Heron Message-ID: <7e4994a70902150703h6a2246c5q43db26f23d3d21ce@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm legally b;ind and can't see the microscopic white cursor in Hardy. Does anyone know how to make it huge and black so I can see it please? Thanks cheryl From edcoates at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 10:36:34 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Feb 15 10:36:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how do I enlarge my cursor Hardy Heron In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902150703h6a2246c5q43db26f23d3d21ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902150703h6a2246c5q43db26f23d3d21ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0902150836y46ec572bo1d6487276649a24d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi, > > I'm legally b;ind and can't see the microscopic white cursor in Hardy. Does > anyone know how to make it huge and black so I can see it please? > Thanks cheryl Cheryl, You would think that it would be in the Mouse preferences wouldn't you, but Ubuntu has tied it into the Appearances preferences, so, start out at the System menu at the top: System > Preferences > Appearance > Theme > Customize > Pointer There's a slider bar to make your mouse cursor bigger, and you can also pick the color and shape there too. HTH, Ed From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Feb 15 12:45:05 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Feb 15 12:45:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how do I enlarge my cursor Hardy Heron In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902150703h6a2246c5q43db26f23d3d21ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902150703h6a2246c5q43db26f23d3d21ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499862B1.80700@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi, > > I'm legally b;ind and can't see the microscopic white cursor in Hardy. Does > anyone know how to make it huge and black so I can see it please? > Thanks cheryl Heh, I get lots of spam about enlarging my "cursor." I can forward some to you. - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJJmGKxAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObCtQL/16wAebU0HKPDo8XNHjUnP+X rW8dSSMKtFp2I5g//ZImNAgAEF4JJpSntDnmeG8YOsTGLbT10b8GU9MUERKYtkKt 6M58btcicb12PmnPUfd1wS2Ds1DiI/PxSOr367asrAjmETIJqALaqeU8nfMkAFx+ F9psO4WQHKNhDocmSCfZr3cMxGWNKge8rbUhUgc8f+fr+iT0k/Q0ovn0tfioxIpH HhEaa6feuP9yRC8e1fzMUZPHOe1qBJ0fkYuaN0br33BfmIUBlPLWviotvmKd/7jK RajZvlGSyy+qE6OS0zkAVROv1UmVjA2hib4t1pFdnitbdVONmDMx3E7qJHfayoQW uHO+YRceW9wnwzuRMJyYGHzFlP01P2vK1eRQ0oGCh8eqUPbUO8txlqjV163KMOTV YKfKASUaCGclY1ZtbiDVVjlrOjzcoFgRyrNBe0iMwfueL8fE90i3+ZB+d9ueivIJ VnSabM2ttCzsgf1OaNeTzrOlGqu4LkhhHl3Qd5RrtQ== =Rcyk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hc at lookcee.com Sun Feb 15 14:09:51 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sun Feb 15 14:09:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] how do I enlarge my cursor Hardy Heron In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0902150836y46ec572bo1d6487276649a24d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902150703h6a2246c5q43db26f23d3d21ce@mail.gmail.com> <8ee65edd0902150836y46ec572bo1d6487276649a24d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4998768F.4030409@lookcee.com> Ed Coates wrote: > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm legally b;ind and can't see the microscopic white cursor in Hardy. Does >> anyone know how to make it huge and black so I can see it please? >> Thanks cheryl >> > > Cheryl, > > You would think that it would be in the Mouse preferences wouldn't > you, but Ubuntu has tied it into the Appearances preferences, so, > start out at the System menu at the top: > > System > Preferences > Appearance > Theme > Customize > Pointer > > There's a slider bar to make your mouse cursor bigger, and you can > also pick the color and shape there too. > > HTH, > > Ed > WOW Thanks Cheryl for the question and to Ed for the answer, I thought I had looked everywhere and never thought to ask even tho it was so annoying to wonder where the heck the cursor was. I also am nearly blind in my right eye and the left has been injured and everything looks wavy like old window glass from the scar herb From hc at lookcee.com Sun Feb 15 14:54:40 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sun Feb 15 14:54:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getit autospell Message-ID: <49988110.4010900@lookcee.com> Can someone tell me how to reverse the gedit/tools/autocheck spell so that it is active on all documents by default. I kan't figer thet out. Thanks herb From astro at astr0.org Sun Feb 15 22:33:04 2009 From: astro at astr0.org (brian lewis) Date: Sun Feb 15 22:33:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? In-Reply-To: <1234635233.5114.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <640471.28516.qm@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1234635233.5114.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4998EC80.5010809@astr0.org> Who cares what syndrome he has. Nobody has said anything about not liking the guy because he has some "syndrome", and having some kind of illness doesn't make him any less of a zealot recluse. I commend Tweeks on the courage to have the guy over at his house :) Also, to anyone going to the IEEE\Trinity Talk (which surprises me that he's even going to attend something with "IEEE" in the name, given his past history with anything IEEE), please, enjoy his ranting. Should be a hell of a show. -b Michael W Sellers wrote: > I understand that Mr. Stallman has Asperger's syndrome. So, in light of > that, can we just give him a break on the social skills? A little > understanding and tolerance would be appropriate here. > > Mike Sellers > > On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 07:11 -0800, wigyxz-satlug@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Years ago he stayed at an acquaintance of mine's house while >> in town (not SA) for a talk. I recall my friend being >> pretty excited about being able to chat him about about >> things. He was a little dismayed to find rms somewhat >> non-communicative and generally not too responsive to >> wanting to hang out and geek talk, eg sitting at a >> meal reading a book instead of joining the table >> conversation... So, hope it goes well. Yeah, he's >> a bit of an oddball, but he's got interesting things to say. >> >> >> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Tweeks wrote: >> >> >>> From: Tweeks >>> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] RMS coming to town? >>> To: satlug@satlug.org >>> Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:34 PM >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> On Thursday 05 February 2009 >>> 05:01:28 pm N. Turnage wrote: >>> >>>> brian lewis wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has anyone told him that pico is better? :) >>>>> >>>> I dare you to walk up to him and tell him that the >>>> >>> best text editor for >>> >>>> linux (not gnu/linux) is pico. He might just explode >>>> >>> right on the spot. >>> >>> Hehe.. I'll have to remember that.. It looks like he >>> doesn't like to stay in >>> hotels on these visits.. so he's staying at my place for >>> the 1-2 nights while >>> in town for his IEEE/Trinity talk. hehe.. >>> I'll have to take some "geek >>> picks" while he's here. :) >>> >>> Tweeks >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>> unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 22:38:13 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Feb 15 22:38:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] mouse pointer Message-ID: <7e4994a70902152038k7887afa3n9075cf4281fd0015@mail.gmail.com> thank you Ed!!! c From edcoates at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 22:42:50 2009 From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates) Date: Sun Feb 15 22:42:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] mouse pointer In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902152038k7887afa3n9075cf4281fd0015@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902152038k7887afa3n9075cf4281fd0015@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee65edd0902152042r5bf06efav5e24a03e7b1d2d31@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > thank you Ed!!! c > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Cheryl, Glad that I could be of assistance Ed From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 22:24:57 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Feb 16 22:24:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] glad my question helped you Herb Message-ID: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com> Ilost right eye to retina detachment and unsuccessful surgery over 20 years ago, and now the other is severely comprised from the same issue in it...a nice little "syndrome" I have...I use "control + a lot! Happy that Firefox does this! Makes my life a lot simplier..cheryl THANKS AGAIN ED!!! You guys are really nice to me, and I appreciate it so much! From rhermida at utpa.edu Tue Feb 17 13:29:20 2009 From: rhermida at utpa.edu (Ramon Hermida) Date: Tue Feb 17 13:29:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> For those interested: http://www.educause.edu/JobOpportunities/ChiefInformationSecurityOffice/ 144975 Regards -RH From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Feb 17 13:35:32 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Tue Feb 17 13:35:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer In-Reply-To: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> References: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com> <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> Message-ID: <1234899332.499b1184bf0d5@webmail.grandecom.net> dead link dude Todd Quoting Ramon Hermida : > For those interested: > > http://www.educause.edu/JobOpportunities/ChiefInformationSecurityOffice/ > 144975 > > Regards > > -RH > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From rhermida at utpa.edu Tue Feb 17 13:39:24 2009 From: rhermida at utpa.edu (Ramon Hermida) Date: Tue Feb 17 13:39:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer In-Reply-To: <1234899332.499b1184bf0d5@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com><59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> <1234899332.499b1184bf0d5@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022324@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> The long url got obfuscated, try this one: http://tinyurl.com/dypqbx -RH -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of toddwbucy@grandecom.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:36 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer dead link dude Todd Quoting Ramon Hermida : > For those interested: > > http://www.educause.edu/JobOpportunities/ChiefInformationSecurityOffice/ > 144975 > > Regards > > -RH > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 14:11:08 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Feb 17 14:11:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer In-Reply-To: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> References: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com> <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> Message-ID: Ramon: When posting a NEW topic to SATLUG, please post it as a NEW message and not as a reply to a different random topic by changing the subject line. Those of us with working (standards compliant) mail and news readers see this posting as a follow-up to "[SATLUG] glad my question helped you Herb", which is obviously not what you intended. The difference between New and Reply is basic Internet etiquette, and violating it is a negative reflection on the University your post is attempting to aid. Please exercise more caution in the future. --Don (this is not an official SATLUG warning) "Ramon Hermida" wrote: >For those interested: -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From rhermida at utpa.edu Tue Feb 17 14:35:05 2009 From: rhermida at utpa.edu (Ramon Hermida) Date: Tue Feb 17 14:35:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com><59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> Message-ID: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022327@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> *scratches head* Don et al, I know how annoying this is for everyone. I actually made a conscious effort *NOT TO DO THIS*, and created a brand new message, yet my e-mail client seems to have developed a mind of its own and used it the original message anyway. *grrr* -RH -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Don Wright Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:11 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer Ramon: When posting a NEW topic to SATLUG, please post it as a NEW message and not as a reply to a different random topic by changing the subject line. Those of us with working (standards compliant) mail and news readers see this posting as a follow-up to "[SATLUG] glad my question helped you Herb", which is obviously not what you intended. The difference between New and Reply is basic Internet etiquette, and violating it is a negative reflection on the University your post is attempting to aid. Please exercise more caution in the future. --Don (this is not an official SATLUG warning) "Ramon Hermida" wrote: >For those interested: -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 14:54:08 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Feb 17 14:54:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer In-Reply-To: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022327@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> References: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com><59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022327@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> Message-ID: Ah, I see from the headers[1] that MS Exchange had its fingers in the pie. You have my sympathies. Thus one of my lesser-used taglines: "MS: The great crippler of young computers." What that says about the University's need for a new CISO is left to the imagination of the reader. --Don On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:35:05 -0600, "Ramon Hermida" wrote: >*scratches head* > >Don et al, > >I know how annoying this is for everyone. I actually made a conscious >effort *NOT TO DO THIS*, and created a brand new message, yet my e-mail >client seems to have developed a mind of its own and used it the >original message anyway. > >*grrr* > >-RH [1] X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From storey at clamp.ws Tue Feb 17 18:45:26 2009 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Tue Feb 17 18:44:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com><59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022327@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> Message-ID: <499B5A26.9040203@clamp.ws> Don Wright wrote: > Ah, I see from the headers[1] that MS Exchange had its fingers in the > pie. > You have my sympathies. Thus one of my lesser-used taglines: "MS: The > great > crippler of young computers." > > What that says about the University's need for a new CISO is left to the > imagination of the reader. --Don > > The URL suffered a wrap around: http://www.educause.edu/JobOpportunities/ChiefInformationSecurityOffice/ 144975 If you put it back into one line then it will work: http://www.educause.edu/JobOpportunities/ChiefInformationSecurityOffice/144975 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Feb 17 18:47:17 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Feb 17 18:47:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL Message-ID: <1234918037.9506.25.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support Linux? background I recently worked on my neighbor's a HP Ze2000. It was loaded with Winblows XP with only 256 meg of ram. I cleansed his system of the foul smell which emanated from his hard drive and installed Xbuntu 8.04. has a little problem with the wifi but I got it figured out and was able to connect to his DSL modem with no prob. got a nice ping from his ISP so communication had been established. However when firefox was launched for the first time the homepage was redirected to a AT&T website saying there was a problem and that we should call tech support....on hold...on hold....(my dinner's getting cold) sing it with me! I take off to eat dinner and while I am gone AT&T calls back, of course, so my neighbor handles the call...long story short the tech support guy says that AT&T doesn't support Linux. what is there for an ISP to support its the same DAMN Internet ARGGGGGGG!!!! I hate lazy tech support people! Now I have to use my afternoon tomorrow to talking to AT&T for my neighbor anyone have any ideas how to handle my next encounter with AT&T? sorry for the rant I hate to get it off my chest. Todd From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Feb 17 19:01:25 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Feb 17 19:02:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <1234918037.9506.25.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1234918037.9506.25.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <499B5DE5.6010705@futuretechsolutions.com> My parents have AT&T DSL, when I'm down there,my linux box doesn't have any troubles connecting. First thing off the top of my head would be to check whether or not the DSL modem is acting as the PPPOE adapter, or if it was installed in the OS instead. Todd W. Bucy wrote: > does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support > Linux? > > background > > I recently worked on my neighbor's a HP Ze2000. It was loaded with > Winblows XP with only 256 meg of ram. I cleansed his system of the foul > smell which emanated from his hard drive and installed Xbuntu 8.04. > has a little problem with the wifi but I got it figured out and was able > to connect to his DSL modem with no prob. got a nice ping from his ISP > so communication had been established. However when firefox was > launched for the first time the homepage was redirected to a AT&T > website saying there was a problem and that we should call tech > support....on hold...on hold....(my dinner's getting cold) sing it with > me! I take off to eat dinner and while I am gone AT&T calls back, of > course, so my neighbor handles the call...long story short the tech > support guy says that AT&T doesn't support Linux. what is there for an > ISP to support its the same DAMN Internet ARGGGGGGG!!!! I hate lazy tech > support people! Now I have to use my afternoon tomorrow to talking to > AT&T for my neighbor anyone have any ideas how to handle my next > encounter with AT&T? > > sorry for the rant I hate to get it off my chest. > Todd > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Feb 17 19:19:37 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Feb 17 19:19:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <499B5DE5.6010705@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <1234918037.9506.25.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499B5DE5.6010705@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1234919977.9506.43.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> not sure about the set up I will check tomorrow afternoon. I do know this the modem was not installed on the OS its a separate box. Not sure on the model forgot to write it down. That said I was able to update apt-get. The only problem is with Firefox being redirected to the AT&T web page and a very lazy tech support person who did not feel like dealing with the problem but instead tried to convince my neighbor that AT&T doesn't support Linux. Todd On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 19:01 -0600, Charles Hogan wrote: > My parents have AT&T DSL, when I'm down there,my linux box doesn't have > any troubles connecting. First thing off the top of my head would be to > check whether or not the DSL modem is acting as the PPPOE adapter, or if > it was installed in the OS instead. > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support > > Linux? > > > > background > > > > I recently worked on my neighbor's a HP Ze2000. It was loaded with > > Winblows XP with only 256 meg of ram. I cleansed his system of the foul > > smell which emanated from his hard drive and installed Xbuntu 8.04. > > has a little problem with the wifi but I got it figured out and was able > > to connect to his DSL modem with no prob. got a nice ping from his ISP > > so communication had been established. However when firefox was > > launched for the first time the homepage was redirected to a AT&T > > website saying there was a problem and that we should call tech > > support....on hold...on hold....(my dinner's getting cold) sing it with > > me! I take off to eat dinner and while I am gone AT&T calls back, of > > course, so my neighbor handles the call...long story short the tech > > support guy says that AT&T doesn't support Linux. what is there for an > > ISP to support its the same DAMN Internet ARGGGGGGG!!!! I hate lazy tech > > support people! Now I have to use my afternoon tomorrow to talking to > > AT&T for my neighbor anyone have any ideas how to handle my next > > encounter with AT&T? > > > > sorry for the rant I hate to get it off my chest. > > Todd > > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 19:44:40 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Feb 17 19:44:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: <1234918037.9506.25.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1234918037.9506.25.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:47:17 -0600, "Todd W. Bucy" wrote: >does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support >Linux? Obviously there are too many versions of Linux and just one Windows (95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, MediaCenter, 2003, Vista Home, Vista Home Premium, Vista Business, ...) They don't support any routers but their own models for the same reason. Please note that "does not support" is not the same as "does not work with". Though there is some irony in AT&T not supporting Unix.[1] >background >... However when firefox was >launched for the first time the homepage was redirected to a AT&T >website saying there was a problem and that we should call tech >support... Sounds like a new DSL setup that hasn't been authenticated yet. In that case you'll probably have to run Interment Explorer (somehow) to click on the magic button that doesn't appear in Firefox. DSL Reports has a couple of good AT&T forums that might help. http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8346 If it's an existing account, you still might have lost the DSL adapter setup, so checking the manual install steps (using info from DSLR) is still a good idea. --Don [1] Yes, I know what GNU stands for, the Minix roots of Linux, and that thenewat&t is not the old Ma Bell. The irony still applies. -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 20:11:37 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Feb 17 20:11:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] att and linux Message-ID: <7e4994a70902171811t76052501x55249117bd10128d@mail.gmail.com> att is in bed with M$ so they will never support Linux. I have ATT and once even got to talk to a nice tech who also personally uses Linux. I run Hardy just fine, but some tips...you can't use their "new mail" with Linux, you have to use Yahoo "Classic" mail with Linux. I went to mail.yahoo.comm went to the inbox, in a new tab, then bookmarked it. I leave the tab open and have it set to restore previously opened tabs everytime I open Firefox...cheryl From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Feb 17 20:25:24 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Feb 17 20:25:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL In-Reply-To: References: <1234918037.9506.25.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1234923924.9506.47.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> > Obviously there are too many versions of Linux and just one Windows (95, > 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, MediaCenter, 2003, Vista Home, Vista > Home Premium, Vista Business, ...) They don't support any routers but > their own models for the same reason. Please note that "does not > support" is not the same as "does not work with". > > Though there is some irony in AT&T not supporting Unix.[1] haha didnt think about that. > > > >background > >... However when firefox was > >launched for the first time the homepage was redirected to a AT&T > >website saying there was a problem and that we should call tech > >support... > > Sounds like a new DSL setup that hasn't been authenticated yet. In that > case you'll probably have to run Interment Explorer (somehow) to click > on the magic button that doesn't appear in Firefox. DSL Reports has a > couple of good AT&T forums that might help. > http://www.dslreports.com/faq/8346 > > If it's an existing account, you still might have lost the DSL adapter > setup, so checking the manual install steps (using info from DSLR) is > still a good idea. --Don its not a new account, he has had it for a year or so. However his computer was down for the last couple of months until I got it back up. I will check the DSL set up instructions before I call AT&T back. Todd From m.a.wallace at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 20:50:04 2009 From: m.a.wallace at gmail.com (Mike Wallace) Date: Tue Feb 17 20:50:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Icons Message-ID: <36217ddc0902171850u6b653bcavf7d9efa81009359e@mail.gmail.com> Forgive me for this is not Linux specific. I am looking for some good icon sets (mainly general application) that can be used commercially. I have run across a couple totally free libraries, but the vast majority are "free" but only if you use them personally. The rules change for commercial products, and it seems that every graphic artist has their own idea of what "commercial" is. Just look at all the variations there are in a CC license, let alone those who don't use a CC license. Right now I am writing some "proof of concept" software, so I would like it to look nice for demo purposes, but I don't want to include anything that has commercial limitations. Knowing me, I would totally forget that the icon set was restricted if any of the demos were to move forward. I don't know how many web and/or GUI developers there are on this list, but do know of any good, completely free icon sets and perhaps other graphics as well? And for extra credit, anyone know of some free (commercially) sound effect libraries? TIA, Mike From chmims at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 21:28:14 2009 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Tue Feb 17 21:28:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] att and linux In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902171811t76052501x55249117bd10128d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902171811t76052501x55249117bd10128d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580902171928j6698b45bu638c44bbf96209f6@mail.gmail.com> Firefox works well with the new Yahoo Mail. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > att is in bed with M$ so they will never support Linux. > > I have ATT and once even got to talk to a nice tech who also personally > uses > Linux. > > I run Hardy just fine, but some tips...you can't use their "new mail" with > Linux, you have to use Yahoo "Classic" mail with Linux. I went to > mail.yahoo.comm went to the inbox, in a new tab, then bookmarked it. I > leave the tab open and have it set to restore previously opened tabs > everytime I open Firefox...cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Feb 17 21:31:30 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Feb 17 21:31:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Icons In-Reply-To: <36217ddc0902171850u6b653bcavf7d9efa81009359e@mail.gmail.com> References: <36217ddc0902171850u6b653bcavf7d9efa81009359e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234927890.9506.49.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> well if you are using gnome you can check out gnome-look.org for kde kde-look.org. Most of the stuff on these sites are Creative Commons or GPL. Todd On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 20:50 -0600, Mike Wallace wrote: > Forgive me for this is not Linux specific. I am looking for some good icon > sets (mainly general application) that can be used commercially. I have run > across a couple totally free libraries, but the vast majority are "free" but > only if you use them personally. The rules change for commercial products, > and it seems that every graphic artist has their own idea of what > "commercial" is. Just look at all the variations there are in a CC license, > let alone those who don't use a CC license. Right now I am writing some > "proof of concept" software, so I would like it to look nice for demo > purposes, but I don't want to include anything that has commercial > limitations. Knowing me, I would totally forget that the icon set was > restricted if any of the demos were to move forward. I don't know how many > web and/or GUI developers there are on this list, but do know of any good, > completely free icon sets and perhaps other graphics as well? And for extra > credit, anyone know of some free (commercially) sound effect libraries? > > TIA, > Mike From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Feb 17 21:34:26 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Feb 17 21:34:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] att and linux In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580902171928j6698b45bu638c44bbf96209f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902171811t76052501x55249117bd10128d@mail.gmail.com> <9e4edf580902171928j6698b45bu638c44bbf96209f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1234928066.9506.51.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> my wife uses Firefox for her Yahoo account all the time on her Linux box no complaints so far. Todd On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 21:28 -0600, Charles Mims wrote: > Firefox works well with the new Yahoo Mail. > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > > att is in bed with M$ so they will never support Linux. > > > > I have ATT and once even got to talk to a nice tech who also personally > > uses > > Linux. > > > > I run Hardy just fine, but some tips...you can't use their "new mail" with > > Linux, you have to use Yahoo "Classic" mail with Linux. I went to > > mail.yahoo.comm went to the inbox, in a new tab, then bookmarked it. I > > leave the tab open and have it set to restore previously opened tabs > > everytime I open Firefox...cheryl > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 23:39:46 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Tue Feb 17 23:39:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL Message-ID: <62109.34903.qm@web50409.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support Linux? ATT does work with DSL and Linux. To set it up without ATT's software you can log into your modem and setup/first log-into your account there in the advanced section. I'm using SUSE and YaST has a utility for setting up DSL also. The distro you're using may have something similar. Since you only have to set it up the first time you log in, you could always borrow somebody's win-box and cheapen it up by installing the ATT software and doing your first log in with that one. HTH, Bill From dvprogs at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 04:15:53 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Wed Feb 18 04:15:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ISP support - how to get the best support possible Message-ID: <7f9598380902180215t68da035bhc7c2cd2953e76813@mail.gmail.com> Having worked with major ISPs and vendors of computer equipment/services, I would urge you to remember that you're dealing with people under time constraints and with non-existent to limited knowledge about operating systems other than those from Microsoft . A lot of my teammates knew nothing about GNU/Linux, and so they figured that by getting you off the phone quickly they were able to save face, as well as help their stats. Even though I'm working with very expensive equipment, I am still under a time constraint, but it's not so limited as with an ISP. Generally speaking, ISP helpdesk personnel are going to go by scripts to a certain degree, and they can't get around that. Your challenge is to be pleasant to the person on the other end of the line and get them to want to help you. I can't emphasize that enough, you'd be surprised what you can get accomplished if you are nice to the helpdesk people. I used to have to deal with a lot of people who would be nasty and it's part of the business, but I've never seen a negative customer get better support than a friendly, understanding customer. If you have to call and get a modem provisioned or something else, one can still get help, by using certain phrasing. Beyond dealing with provisioning and certain things that require you to deal with the ISP, try to do everything yourself and search the internet for settings and so forth, it will save you a lot of frustration. I've posted previously about my ISP experiences, and about how to deal with ISP personnel, so you might look up my messages. Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:47:17 -0600 > From: "Todd W. Bucy" > Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support > Linux? > > background > > I recently worked on my neighbor's a HP Ze2000. It was loaded with > Winblows XP ... installed Xbuntu 8.04. has a little problem with the wifi > but I got it figured out and was able to connect to his DSL modem with no > prob... and while I am gone AT&T calls back... the tech support guy says > that AT&T doesn't support Linux. what is there for an > ISP to support its the same DAMN Internet ARGGGGGGG!!!! I hate lazy tech > support people! Now I have to use my afternoon tomorrow to talking to AT&T > for my neighbor anyone have any ideas how to handle my next encounter with > AT&T? > > sorry for the rant I hate to get it off my chest. > Todd > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Feb 18 05:08:53 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Feb 18 05:09:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] att and linux In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902171811t76052501x55249117bd10128d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902171811t76052501x55249117bd10128d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499BEC45.6070908@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > att is in bed with M$ so they will never support Linux. > > I have ATT and once even got to talk to a nice tech who also personally uses > Linux. > > I run Hardy just fine, but some tips...you can't use their "new mail" with > Linux, you have to use Yahoo "Classic" mail with Linux. I went to > mail.yahoo.comm went to the inbox, in a new tab, then bookmarked it. I > leave the tab open and have it set to restore previously opened tabs > everytime I open Firefox...cheryl > I've found it's easier to just have the mail at yahoo sent to my inbox on my mail client. This way, I don't have to go log into yahoo mail to get my mail... all mailcomes to one place. smtp and pop can be setup there as well, as long as you look at some advertising crap. gmail has the same feature. adblock plus as an add-on for Firefox when you're out and about on the world wide woller, spam-filting programs for you local client... I'm just saying.. there are better ways. From jm at allensonthe.net Wed Feb 18 09:40:48 2009 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Wed Feb 18 09:40:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Icons In-Reply-To: <36217ddc0902171850u6b653bcavf7d9efa81009359e@mail.gmail.com> References: <36217ddc0902171850u6b653bcavf7d9efa81009359e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 20:50, Mike Wallace wrote: > Forgive me for this is not Linux specific. I am looking for some good icon > sets (mainly general application) that can be used commercially. I have run > across a couple totally free libraries, but the vast majority are "free" but > only if you use them personally. The rules change for commercial products, > and it seems that every graphic artist has their own idea of what > "commercial" is. Just look at all the variations there are in a CC license, > let alone those who don't use a CC license. Right now I am writing some > "proof of concept" software, so I would like it to look nice for demo > purposes, but I don't want to include anything that has commercial > limitations. Knowing me, I would totally forget that the icon set was > restricted if any of the demos were to move forward. I don't know how many > web and/or GUI developers there are on this list, but do know of any good, > completely free icon sets and perhaps other graphics as well? And for extra > credit, anyone know of some free (commercially) sound effect libraries? > > TIA, > Mike > -- You might try these: http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/ The Silk icons are CC Attribution 2.5: "This means you may use it for any purpose, and make any changes you like. All I ask is that you include a link back to this page in your credits (although a giant link on every page of your website really isn't needed, contact me to discuss specifics). " The Flag and Mini icons are public domain The other icon sites I use are Icon Finder [1] and Tango [2]. The licenses on the icons at Icon Finder I believe will vary, but might be worth checking out. [1] http://www.iconfinder.net/ [2] http://tango.freedesktop.org/ -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From mkr777 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 11:13:22 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Wed Feb 18 11:13:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Job Offer: Chief Information Security Officer In-Reply-To: <499B5A26.9040203@clamp.ws> References: <7e4994a70902162024i1292d055of554212a0088a1f8@mail.gmail.com> <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022322@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E04022327@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> <499B5A26.9040203@clamp.ws> Message-ID: The trick is to put the link within brackets "< >". mkr On 2/17/09, Storey Clamp wrote: > > Don Wright wrote: > >> Ah, I see from the headers[1] that MS Exchange had its fingers in the pie. >> You have my sympathies. Thus one of my lesser-used taglines: "MS: The >> great >> crippler of young computers." >> >> What that says about the University's need for a new CISO is left to the >> imagination of the reader. --Don >> >> >> > The URL suffered a wrap around: > > http://www.educause.edu/JobOpportunities/ChiefInformationSecurityOffice/ > > 144975 > > > If you put it back into one line then it will work: > > > http://www.educause.edu/JobOpportunities/ChiefInformationSecurityOffice/144975 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From lgj at usenix.org Wed Feb 18 11:21:45 2009 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Wed Feb 18 11:21:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] HotPar '09: Attendance Now Open to Everyone Message-ID: <499C43A9.7090505@usenix.org> The First USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Parallelism will take place March 30-31 in Berkeley, CA. http://www.usenix.org/hotpar09/proga HotPar '09 will bring together researchers and practitioners doing innovative work in the area of parallel computing. HotPar recognizes the broad impact of multicore computing and seeks relevant contributions from all fields, including application design, languages and compilers, systems, and architecture. Attendance to the workshop is now open to the USENIX community. To ensure a productive environment, it will be limited to 75 participants. Register today to ensure your place. This year's outstanding program includes a diverse range of hot research areas including models and paradigms, operating systems and middleware, transactional memory, and more. Please join us at the Claremont Resort & Spa for this new workshop covering the most innovative research in parallel computing. We look forward to seeing you there. Sincerely, Alexandra Fedorova, Simon Fraser University Jim Larus, Microsoft HotPar '09 Program Co-Chairs hotpar09chairs@usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ First USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Parallelism (HotPar '09) March 30-31, 2009 Berkeley, CA, USA http://www.usenix.org/hotpar09/proga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:40:07 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Feb 18 12:40:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] att dsl charles geoff Message-ID: <7e4994a70902181040m71646d15v1870ee7e281409e0@mail.gmail.com> Maybe yahoo new mail works on Linux other than Hardy but it doesn't work with our Hardy, mine or Mom's. There are a lot of ads on it stuff flashing all the time, our systems lock up so we use the classic mail...a lot less ads too. Geoff.. Yes, we can pull that mail through another source but I like to keep those 2 accounts separate since they are for 2 diferent purposes. I don't have to log in all the time since I close it with yahoo inbox open in 1 tab all the time even when shutting down then then when I open again I just tell it to open the last session...actually I have it set up to do that...then I can just go from tab to tab... c From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 13:36:56 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:36:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Teaching Opportunities Message-ID: <499C6358.8090703@gmail.com> Ladies and Gentlemen; I'm looking for folk interested in teaching CompTIA A+, Network+ and/or Security+ (and other skills certification courses as available and necessary) for Palo Alto College's Corporate and Community Education Department (generally night classes). Our IT CE programs were recognized by the Center for Digital Government as "Best of Texas, 2008," for "Creative Strategies in Workforce Development Programs," and by Goodwill Industries of San Antonio in 2008 as an "Outstanding Partner." If you're interested and able, please contact me off-list, and I'll be happy to hook you up. Cheers; Ed From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 13:50:40 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:50:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Teaching Opportunities In-Reply-To: <499C6358.8090703@gmail.com> References: <499C6358.8090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0902181150t15fb500es22042744bbbdc248@mail.gmail.com> I don't have the credentials to teach but am looking to achieve the certs. Can you send some info? On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:36 PM, ed wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen; > > I'm looking for folk interested in teaching CompTIA A+, Network+ and/or > Security+ (and other skills certification courses as available and > necessary) for Palo Alto College's Corporate and Community Education > Department (generally night classes). > Our IT CE programs were recognized by the Center for Digital Government as > "Best of Texas, 2008," for "Creative Strategies in Workforce Development > Programs," and by Goodwill Industries of San Antonio in 2008 as an > "Outstanding Partner." > > If you're interested and able, please contact me off-list, and I'll be > happy to hook you up. > > Cheers; > Ed > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From chmims at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 14:38:02 2009 From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims) Date: Wed Feb 18 14:38:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] att dsl charles geoff In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902181040m71646d15v1870ee7e281409e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902181040m71646d15v1870ee7e281409e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e4edf580902181238q10fb60a1h9d19595f1ea1668a@mail.gmail.com> Cheryl, Whether or not you can use the new Yahoo mail is more dependent on your browser than your OS. As long as I use Firefox I have no problem regardless of what flavor of Linux I use including Hardy. However, I have to use the classic Yahoo mail if I am using the Konqueror browser in KDE. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Maybe yahoo new mail works on Linux other than Hardy but it doesn't work > with our Hardy, mine or Mom's. There are a lot of ads on it stuff flashing > all the time, our systems lock up so we use the classic mail...a lot less > ads too. > > Geoff.. > Yes, we can pull that mail through another source but I like to keep those > 2 > accounts separate since they are for 2 diferent purposes. I don't have to > log in all the time since I close it with yahoo inbox open in 1 tab all the > time even when shutting down then then when I open again I just tell it to > open the last session...actually I have it set up to do that...then I can > just go from tab to tab... c > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Feb 18 21:32:37 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Feb 18 21:32:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps Message-ID: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> ran across this and thought I would throw it out there for comments enjoy Todd http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Feb 18 21:40:29 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Feb 18 21:40:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> oops forgot to include the authors update to this article. http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6236 Todd On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 21:32 -0600, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > ran across this and thought I would throw it out there for comments > > enjoy > Todd > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 > > > > From trunty at linuxismybff.com Wed Feb 18 23:12:43 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Wed Feb 18 23:12:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: Really good stuff. I have always ran the noexec on my '/tmp', however, I think I'm considering adding it to my devices '/home' too. Assuming there are no unforseen negatives it certainly wouldn't hurt anything. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > oops forgot to include the authors update to this article. > > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6236 > > Todd > > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 21:32 -0600, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > ran across this and thought I would throw it out there for comments > > > > enjoy > > Todd > > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 > > > > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Feb 19 00:30:24 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Feb 19 00:31:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <499CFC80.2030309@futuretechsolutions.com> I've also seen files dropped into /var/tmp and executed from there. Good write-up. I had never even checked the permissions on the .desktop files. It is something that should probably be addressed as linux continues to expand it's market share. Travis Runty wrote: > Really good stuff. I have always ran the noexec on my '/tmp', however, I > think I'm considering adding it to my devices '/home' too. Assuming there > are no unforseen negatives it certainly wouldn't hurt anything. > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> oops forgot to include the authors update to this article. >> >> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6236 >> >> Todd >> >> On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 21:32 -0600, Todd W. Bucy wrote: >>> ran across this and thought I would throw it out there for comments >>> >>> enjoy >>> Todd >>> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 10:43:10 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Feb 19 10:42:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> As Linux grabs more market share on the home desktop, its only natural, a matter of time, before the bad guys start (if they haven't already) writing exploits for it, and, as the article shows, finding ways to get around root to execute them. And, if that's not enough, many of the same Java exploits that work in Winderz will also at least load on a Linux machine (Verifier Bug and Black Box Class, for example), whether or not they'll actually run at present. Many anti-virus program writers are concerned enough about it to write Linux versions of their software, and are ever on the look-out for dedicated exploits. Most of the forward-looking Kaspersky-engined AV companies produce and disseminate Linux variants of their wares. I'm currently testing two - AVG and Avast! Can't say, beyond the Java exploits, that I've found anything, but I've always thought it was worth a look... See Virus Bulletin at http://www.virusbtn.com/index. Cheers; Ed ============= Todd W. Bucy wrote: > ran across this and thought I would throw it out there for comments > > enjoy > Todd > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 > > > > > From dkowis at shlrm.org Thu Feb 19 11:29:12 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Thu Feb 19 11:29:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <20090219112912.715344k40vheml8g@shlrm.org> Quoting "Todd W. Bucy" : > oops forgot to include the authors update to this article. > > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6236 > > Todd > > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 21:32 -0600, Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> ran across this and thought I would throw it out there for comments >> >> enjoy >> Todd >> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 >> This is less an article on linux virii, and more an article about exploiting Dumb Users(tm) and their windowing environments. But all his points are valid. THere are security flaws and it just goes further to show that security is only as strong as the weakest link,(which is usually always the user.) -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Feb 19 11:33:08 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Feb 19 11:33:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> OK guys, I'm going to argue on a few technical notes. First, examples of this (I must admit I only glanced at the article) are not examples of a virus. They are an example of a Trojan. These require someone to open the gates and pull the horse through. With that in mind, where does the responsibility of the user come in? What is to be done? furthermore, this will affect the home user much more than enterprise users because enterprises better control access to root permissions which leaves a single user compromised versus the whole system as a normal user is not going to have sudo access nor know the root password. Now, how do you propose keeping user responsibility and accountability away from the user? These trojans are not using an open hole in the code to get through, they are using social engineering to get through. Of course, this is a hypothetical and not 'in the wild' thing so I don't think that it is a big problem now, but the old saying is if it is not expected and not from someone you know, then delete it. That truly fixes this problem. Practice safe computing. On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 10:43 -0600, ed wrote: > As Linux grabs more market share on the home desktop, its only natural, > a matter of time, before the bad guys start (if they haven't already) > writing exploits for it, and, as the article shows, finding ways to get > around root to execute them. And, if that's not enough, many of the > same Java exploits that work in Winderz will also at least load on a > Linux machine (Verifier Bug and Black Box Class, for example), whether > or not they'll actually run at present. > > Many anti-virus program writers are concerned enough about it to write > Linux versions of their software, and are ever on the look-out for > dedicated exploits. Most of the forward-looking Kaspersky-engined AV > companies produce and disseminate Linux variants of their wares. I'm > currently testing two - AVG and Avast! Can't say, beyond the Java > exploits, that I've found anything, but I've always thought it was worth > a look... > > See Virus Bulletin at http://www.virusbtn.com/index. > > Cheers; > Ed > ============= > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > ran across this and thought I would throw it out there for comments > > > > enjoy > > Todd > > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 > > > > > > > > > > From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 12:02:33 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Feb 19 12:02:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <200902191202.33495.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 19 February 2009 11:33:08 James Tiner wrote: > responsibility and accountability > away from the user? These trojans are not using an open hole in the code > to get through, they are using social engineering to get through. Of > course, this is a hypothetical and not 'in the wild' thing so I don't > think that it is a big problem now, but the old saying is if it is not > expected and not from someone you know, then delete it. That truly fixes > this problem. Practice safe computing. Yes, that whole article didn't really bring up anything new. I'm surprised that the author even took the time to write such a long-winded 'paper'. On a related note... I recently installed Ubuntu (I.I.) on a couple of machines and found something really quirky. Being a 'drake/'driva user, I am accustomed to assigning a root password as well as the user account(s) and their password(s) during installation. During the Ubuntu installation, I was only asked for a single password for the primary user, and none to be defined for root. Then the single user password is used not only for logging in the user, but for system administration and software installation, etc. as well. What the hell? That seems pretty screwed up to me. That gives rise to the possibility that ubuntu would be easier to exploit than other linux systems, with only the user password to be compromised. John C. p.s. Scarry stuff indeed... Scar?ry a. 1. Bearing scars or marks of wounds. 1. Like a scar, or rocky eminence; containing scars. Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Feb 19 12:09:43 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Thu Feb 19 12:09:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <200902191202.33495.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> <200902191202.33495.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235066983.499da067a7318@webmail.grandecom.net> wow I guess beer slows my mind faster then my fingers Todd > p.s. Scarry stuff indeed... > > Scar??ry > a. 1. Bearing scars or marks of wounds. > 1. Like a scar, or rocky eminence; containing scars. > > Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam > Co. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 19 12:10:26 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Feb 19 12:10:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: James, you really should read the whole thing - both parts. The name isn't the meat of the article, the behavior of GNOME and KDE is. Charles and others: Here's the Executive Summary: KDE and GNOME will run shell scripts from properly encoded desktop shortcut files without having the execute bit set. These files do not have to be named something.desktop, and there are known exploits that can escalate privilege from userspace. Obviously this is doing things The Microsoft Way: Take the thinking away from the user and minimize calls to the help desk. Yes, the user is the cause of most system problems. "An empty stable stays clean, but there is no income from an empty stable." Proverbs 14:4 (TLB) --Don On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:33:08 -0600, James Tiner wrote: >OK guys, I'm going to argue on a few technical notes. First, examples of >this (I must admit I only glanced at the article) are not examples of a >virus. They are an example of a Trojan. These require someone to open >the gates and pull the horse through. -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From pjcrux at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 13:19:52 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:19:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing a PCI Graphics Card into Fedora 9 Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> OK to set the record straight... I'm new to Linux and am attempting to bone up on other platforms before beginning cert classes and testing. I'm at the end of my rope! I'm using Fedora 9 with the Amahi Repo to run as a home server for backups, file sharing, FTP, etc. I'm trying to install a graphics card so that I can use my tv as a monitor instead of having to take apart the home computer. The War Department (AKA the missus) has delivered a declaration of hostility to me via a certified ultimatum to get the server up and running or to take it down. The following instructions were provided by nvidia to install a 5200: *STEP 1:* Review the NVIDIA Software License .*(ok... did that)* You will need to accept this license prior to downloading any files. *STEP 2:* Download the Driver File *(easy peasy)* *Download* - NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12.pkg1.run SuSE users: please read the SuSE NVIDIA Installer HOWTObefore downloading the driver. *STEP 3:* Install Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run" to install the driver. NVIDIA now provides a utility to assist you with configuration of your X server configuration file. Please see Chapter 3 of the READMEor run 'man nvidia-xconfig' for details on usage. Instructions for those wishing to edit their X config file by hand can also be found in the README .*(Not sure what this Means! HELP)* If you have any questions or problems, please check the NVIDIA Linux discussion forum. If you don't find an answer to your question there, you can send email (in English) to linux-bugs@nvidia.com. When emailing linux-bugs@nvidia.com, please attach an nvidia-bug-report.log, which is generated by running "nvidia-bug-report.sh". I've logged in as the root and tried to run the command string but then it states that the "user is not valid" I've gone into the permissions on the file and changed it so that it will run as an executable file. Please help this young Jedi Padawan.... -- Cheers! Peter Cross San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 13:22:21 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:22:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235066983.499da067a7318@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902191202.33495.jdchoate@gmail.com> <1235066983.499da067a7318@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <200902191322.21838.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 19 February 2009 12:09:43 toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: > wow I guess beer slows my mind faster then my fingers > > Todd > > p.s. Scarry stuff indeed... > > > > Scar??ry > > a. 1. Bearing scars or marks of wounds. > > 1. Like a scar, or rocky eminence; containing scars. > > > > Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam > > Co. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > > > Just having fun. We all make typos, especially me. :) From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 13:33:32 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:33:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing a PCI Graphics Card into Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0902191133w7c8c568bq76e831071befdfd4@mail.gmail.com> Peter, you need to type that command in Step 1 as the root user and without X running: Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run" to install the driver. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > OK to set the record straight... I'm new to Linux and am attempting to bone > up on other platforms before beginning cert classes and testing. > > I'm at the end of my rope! I'm using Fedora 9 with the Amahi Repo to run as > a home server for backups, file sharing, FTP, etc. I'm trying to install a > graphics card so that I can use my tv as a monitor instead of having to take > apart the home computer. The War Department (AKA the missus) has delivered a > declaration of hostility to me via a certified ultimatum to get the server > up and running or to take it down. > > The following instructions were provided by nvidia to install a 5200: > > *STEP 1:* Review the NVIDIA Software > License > .*(ok... did that)* > > You will need to accept this license prior to downloading any files. > > *STEP 2:* Download the Driver File *(easy peasy)* > > *Download* - NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12.pkg1.run > > SuSE users: please read the SuSE NVIDIA Installer > HOWTObefore > downloading the driver. > > *STEP 3:* Install > Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run" to install the driver. NVIDIA > now provides a utility to assist you with configuration of your X server > configuration file. > Please see Chapter 3 of the > READMEor > run 'man nvidia-xconfig' for details on usage. Instructions for those > wishing to edit their X config file by hand can also be found in the > README > .*(Not sure what this Means! HELP)* > > If you have any questions or problems, please check the NVIDIA Linux > discussion forum. > If you don't find an answer to your question there, you can send email (in > English) to linux-bugs@nvidia.com. > > When emailing linux-bugs@nvidia.com, please attach an nvidia-bug-report.log, > which is generated by running "nvidia-bug-report.sh". > I've logged in as the root and tried to run the command string but then it > states that the "user is not valid" > > I've gone into the permissions on the file and changed it so that it will > run as an executable file. > > Please help this young Jedi Padawan.... > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter Cross > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From pjcrux at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 13:35:42 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:35:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing a PCI Graphics Card into Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0902191133w7c8c568bq76e831071befdfd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0902191133w7c8c568bq76e831071befdfd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0902191135r74f173d8y81518cb7a92c73e8@mail.gmail.com> I've tried that (I believe) but I'm not sure what you mean by "without X running" educate the unenlightened.... Cheers! Peter On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Peter, you need to type that command in Step 1 as the root user and > without X running: > > Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run" to install the driver. > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Peter Cross wrote: > > OK to set the record straight... I'm new to Linux and am attempting to > bone > > up on other platforms before beginning cert classes and testing. > > > > I'm at the end of my rope! I'm using Fedora 9 with the Amahi Repo to run > as > > a home server for backups, file sharing, FTP, etc. I'm trying to install > a > > graphics card so that I can use my tv as a monitor instead of having to > take > > apart the home computer. The War Department (AKA the missus) has > delivered a > > declaration of hostility to me via a certified ultimatum to get the > server > > up and running or to take it down. > > > > The following instructions were provided by nvidia to install a 5200: > > > > *STEP 1:* Review the NVIDIA Software > > License > > .*(ok... did that)* > > > > You will need to accept this license prior to downloading any files. > > > > *STEP 2:* Download the Driver File *(easy peasy)* > > > > *Download* - NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12.pkg1.run< > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run > > > > > > SuSE users: please read the SuSE NVIDIA Installer > > HOWTObefore > > downloading the driver. > > > > *STEP 3:* Install > > Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run" to install the driver. > NVIDIA > > now provides a utility to assist you with configuration of your X server > > configuration file< > http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nvidia-xconfig/nvidia-xconfig-1.0.tar.gz > >. > > Please see Chapter 3 of the > > README< > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/README/chapter-03.html > >or > > run 'man nvidia-xconfig' for details on usage. Instructions for those > > wishing to edit their X config file by hand can also be found in the > > README< > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/README/index.html > > > > .*(Not sure what this Means! HELP)* > > > > If you have any questions or problems, please check the NVIDIA Linux > > discussion forum< > http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14>. > > If you don't find an answer to your question there, you can send email > (in > > English) to linux-bugs@nvidia.com. > > > > When emailing linux-bugs@nvidia.com, please attach an > nvidia-bug-report.log, > > which is generated by running "nvidia-bug-report.sh". > > I've logged in as the root and tried to run the command string but then > it > > states that the "user is not valid" > > > > I've gone into the permissions on the file and changed it so that it will > > run as an executable file. > > > > Please help this young Jedi Padawan.... > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > > > Peter Cross > > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 13:41:29 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Feb 19 13:41:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing a PCI Graphics Card into Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902191341.29210.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 19 February 2009 13:19:52 Peter Cross wrote: > OK to set the record straight... I'm new to Linux and am attempting to bone > up on other platforms before beginning cert classes and testing. > > I'm at the end of my rope! I'm using Fedora 9 with the Amahi Repo to run as > a home server for backups, file sharing, FTP, etc. I'm trying to install a > graphics card so that I can use my tv as a monitor instead of having to take > apart the home computer. The War Department (AKA the missus) has delivered a > declaration of hostility to me via a certified ultimatum to get the server > up and running or to take it down. > > The following instructions were provided by nvidia to install a 5200: > > *STEP 1:* Review the NVIDIA Software > License > .*(ok... did that)* > > You will need to accept this license prior to downloading any files. > > *STEP 2:* Download the Driver File *(easy peasy)* > > *Download* - NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12.pkg1.run > > SuSE users: please read the SuSE NVIDIA Installer > HOWTObefore > downloading the driver. > > *STEP 3:* Install > Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run" to install the driver. NVIDIA > now provides a utility to assist you with configuration of your X server > configuration file. > Please see Chapter 3 of the > READMEor > run 'man nvidia-xconfig' for details on usage. Instructions for those > wishing to edit their X config file by hand can also be found in the > README > .*(Not sure what this Means! HELP)* > > If you have any questions or problems, please check the NVIDIA Linux > discussion forum. > If you don't find an answer to your question there, you can send email (in > English) to linux-bugs@nvidia.com. > > When emailing linux-bugs@nvidia.com, please attach an nvidia-bug-report.log, > which is generated by running "nvidia-bug-report.sh". > I've logged in as the root and tried to run the command string but then it > states that the "user is not valid" > > I've gone into the permissions on the file and changed it so that it will > run as an executable file. > > Please help this young Jedi Padawan.... > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter Cross > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Ok, to avoid as many problems as possible, this needs to run while an X session is not. If you are running KDE or Gnome, logout. Then hit CTRL-ALT-F3 to get to terminal3 (tty3 should be displayed on the screen) and login as root. If you use KDE, the type 'killall kdm' or 'pidof kdm' followed by 'kill xxxx' (xxxx being the number shown after typing 'pidof kdm'.) If using Gnome, use the above commands, but with 'gdm' or 'gdm-bin' instead of 'kdm'. After killing the desktop manager you might notice the screen change, putting you back to a login prompt. If this happens, press CTRL-ALT-F3 again to return to tty3. Next type 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run' to run the nvidia install utility. If all goes well, you will be able to type 'kdm' to run kde's display manager, or gdm (or gdm-bin, I forget) for Gnome display manager. You will need to have the kernel-source package installed to be able to complete the nvidia utility as well. John C. From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 14:10:28 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:10:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing a PCI Graphics Card into Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902191410.28335.jdchoate@gmail.com> I forgot to mention that you will need to change directories to where the nvidia install utility is kept... After killing the display manager and returning to terminal 3 (tty3), you will need to do 'cd /home/username/path/to/where/the/nvidia/file/is'. Such as: 'cd /home/peter/Desktop' or wherever you saved the NVIDIA.run file. Next type 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run' to run the nvidia install utility. If all goes well with no errors, you will be able to type 'kdm' to run kde's display manager, or gdm (or gdm-bin, I forget) for Gnome display manager. Or you can type 'reboot' and let the machine restart and you should get to the login screen like normal. You will need to have the kernel-source package installed to be able to complete the nvidia utility as well. John C. From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Feb 19 14:13:07 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:13:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <1235074387.23756.9.camel@james-desktop> OK, I read them (quickly) and still stand by my assertion that it is an example of a trojan. As with all trojans (targeted at Windows, Mac, or any *nix), the user has to be responsible for their action. There is no way to make an OS completely safe, especially from social engineering exploits as we can't install Linux to a users brain. The only way to counter these kinds of attacks is not to approach it as an exploit vector but to approach it as a training issue. In fact, the best way for a home user to mitigate the issues caused by this is to tell them to Backup (good advice no matter what system is used), Don't open attachments unless you were expecting it and it comes from a trusted source (good advice no matter what system is used), and Backup (I know, I said it twice but it's the part everyone forgets!!!) like you said, an empty stall is a clean stall but not very profitable (paraphrased) but who is responsible for cleaning it when it is used? the person who built it or the person who owns it? I think it would be better to teach the owner how to use the shovel... :) On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 12:10 -0600, Don Wright wrote: > James, you really should read the whole thing - both parts. The name > isn't the meat of the article, the behavior of GNOME and KDE is. From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Feb 19 14:19:18 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:19:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <200902191202.33495.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> <200902191202.33495.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235074758.23756.15.camel@james-desktop> I used to be a drake/driva parter for the longest time. it was my fave distro until the shakeup in leadership. I switched to kubuntu. on *buntu, the first user is added as a sudoer automatically and you usually use sudo to do admin stuff. If it makes you feel at home, you can do 'sudo su -' and then passwd to set the root password and then remove your username from sudo using visudo. there are some pretty good reasons to use sudo such as allowing specific commands for specific users and additional logging for those commands. some consider it more secure. just a thought On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 12:02 -0600, John D Choate wrote: > On Thursday 19 February 2009 11:33:08 James Tiner wrote: > > responsibility and accountability > > away from the user? These trojans are not using an open hole in the code > > to get through, they are using social engineering to get through. Of > > course, this is a hypothetical and not 'in the wild' thing so I don't > > think that it is a big problem now, but the old saying is if it is not > > expected and not from someone you know, then delete it. That truly fixes > > this problem. Practice safe computing. > > Yes, that whole article didn't really bring up anything new. I'm surprised that the author even took the time to write such a long-winded 'paper'. > > On a related note... I recently installed Ubuntu (I.I.) on a couple of machines and found something really quirky. > Being a 'drake/'driva user, I am accustomed to assigning a root password as well as the user account(s) and their password(s) during installation. > During the Ubuntu installation, I was only asked for a single password for the primary user, and none to be defined for root. Then the single user password is used not only for logging in the user, but for system administration and software installation, etc. as well. > What the hell? That seems pretty screwed up to me. That gives rise to the possibility that ubuntu would be easier to exploit than other linux systems, with only the user password to be compromised. > > > John C. > > > p.s. Scarry stuff indeed... > > Scar?ry > a. 1. Bearing scars or marks of wounds. > 1. Like a scar, or rocky eminence; containing scars. > > Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co. From jdchoate at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 14:23:55 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:24:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing a PCI Graphics Card into Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0902191135r74f173d8y81518cb7a92c73e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0902191133w7c8c568bq76e831071befdfd4@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0902191135r74f173d8y81518cb7a92c73e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902191423.56010.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Thursday 19 February 2009 13:35:42 Peter Cross wrote: > I've tried that (I believe) but I'm not sure what you mean by "without X > running" > > educate the unenlightened.... > X refers to the graphical environment which Linux desktop users interact with. Also known as X-Windows and xorg, it is essentially a mini operating system which runs on top of Linux, Unix, BSD, and other Unix-type systems. http://www.x.org X provides drivers for graphics adapters, monitors, keyboards and mice and a graphical environment in which to use those as well as drawing application windows etc. KDE and Gnome are the desktop managers which will provide the actual program windows (window frames and title bars), icons, menus, desktops etc. KDE and Gnome both require X in order to run. X needs to be shut down while installing the nvidia driver when using nvidia's .run file. Hence, KDE and Gnome are shut down as well. From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Feb 19 14:51:11 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Feb 19 14:52:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing a PCI Graphics Card into Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <200902191341.29210.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> <200902191341.29210.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <499DC63F.2070304@futuretechsolutions.com> John D Choate wrote: > On Thursday 19 February 2009 13:19:52 Peter Cross wrote: >> OK to set the record straight... I'm new to Linux and am attempting to bone >> up on other platforms before beginning cert classes and testing. >> >> I'm at the end of my rope! I'm using Fedora 9 with the Amahi Repo to run as >> a home server for backups, file sharing, FTP, etc. I'm trying to install a >> graphics card so that I can use my tv as a monitor instead of having to take >> apart the home computer. The War Department (AKA the missus) has delivered a >> declaration of hostility to me via a certified ultimatum to get the server >> up and running or to take it down. >> >> The following instructions were provided by nvidia to install a 5200: >> >> *STEP 1:* Review the NVIDIA Software >> License >> .*(ok... did that)* >> >> You will need to accept this license prior to downloading any files. >> >> *STEP 2:* Download the Driver File *(easy peasy)* >> >> *Download* - NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12.pkg1.run >> >> SuSE users: please read the SuSE NVIDIA Installer >> HOWTObefore >> downloading the driver. >> >> *STEP 3:* Install >> Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run" to install the driver. NVIDIA >> now provides a utility to assist you with configuration of your X server >> configuration file. >> Please see Chapter 3 of the >> READMEor >> run 'man nvidia-xconfig' for details on usage. Instructions for those >> wishing to edit their X config file by hand can also be found in the >> README >> .*(Not sure what this Means! HELP)* >> >> If you have any questions or problems, please check the NVIDIA Linux >> discussion forum. >> If you don't find an answer to your question there, you can send email (in >> English) to linux-bugs@nvidia.com. >> >> When emailing linux-bugs@nvidia.com, please attach an nvidia-bug-report.log, >> which is generated by running "nvidia-bug-report.sh". >> I've logged in as the root and tried to run the command string but then it >> states that the "user is not valid" >> >> I've gone into the permissions on the file and changed it so that it will >> run as an executable file. >> >> Please help this young Jedi Padawan.... >> >> -- >> Cheers! >> >> Peter Cross >> San Antonio, TX 78233 >> >> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" >> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Ok, to avoid as many problems as possible, this needs to run while an X session is not. > If you are running KDE or Gnome, logout. Then hit CTRL-ALT-F3 to get to terminal3 (tty3 should be displayed on the screen) and login as root. > If you use KDE, the type 'killall kdm' or 'pidof kdm' followed by 'kill xxxx' (xxxx being the number shown after typing 'pidof kdm'.) If using Gnome, use the above commands, but with 'gdm' or 'gdm-bin' instead of 'kdm'. > After killing the desktop manager you might notice the screen change, putting you back to a login prompt. If this happens, press CTRL-ALT-F3 again to return to tty3. > Next type 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run' to run the nvidia install utility. > If all goes well, you will be able to type 'kdm' to run kde's display manager, or gdm (or gdm-bin, I forget) for Gnome display manager. > You will need to have the kernel-source package installed to be able to complete the nvidia utility as well. > > > John C. When in the terminal as root, type in "init 3", (without the quotes), and that should shut down the X server. After installing the driver, type "init 5" to restart the X server. 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Another problem is that someone targeting *buntu systems, and those with a similar initial configuration, will just insert "sudo " to the beginning of the relevant commands in their script to give themselves root privileges. While I do agree that there are some very useful things that can be done with sudo, I am of the opinion that a newbie should first learn enough that he/she goes looking for visudo to enable those things, rather than giving them root privilege straight from their user account up-front. You never look for things you don't know you need. James Tiner wrote: > I used to be a drake/driva parter for the longest time. it was my fave > distro until the shakeup in leadership. I switched to kubuntu. > > on *buntu, the first user is added as a sudoer automatically and you > usually use sudo to do admin stuff. If it makes you feel at home, you > can do 'sudo su -' and then passwd to set the root password and then > remove your username from sudo using visudo. there are some pretty good > reasons to use sudo such as allowing specific commands for specific > users and additional logging for those commands. some consider it more > secure. just a thought > > > > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 12:02 -0600, John D Choate wrote: >> On Thursday 19 February 2009 11:33:08 James Tiner wrote: >>> responsibility and accountability >>> away from the user? These trojans are not using an open hole in the code >>> to get through, they are using social engineering to get through. Of >>> course, this is a hypothetical and not 'in the wild' thing so I don't >>> think that it is a big problem now, but the old saying is if it is not >>> expected and not from someone you know, then delete it. That truly fixes >>> this problem. Practice safe computing. >> Yes, that whole article didn't really bring up anything new. I'm surprised that the author even took the time to write such a long-winded 'paper'. >> >> On a related note... I recently installed Ubuntu (I.I.) on a couple of machines and found something really quirky. >> Being a 'drake/'driva user, I am accustomed to assigning a root password as well as the user account(s) and their password(s) during installation. >> During the Ubuntu installation, I was only asked for a single password for the primary user, and none to be defined for root. Then the single user password is used not only for logging in the user, but for system administration and software installation, etc. as well. >> What the hell? That seems pretty screwed up to me. That gives rise to the possibility that ubuntu would be easier to exploit than other linux systems, with only the user password to be compromised. >> >> >> John C. >> >> >> p.s. Scarry stuff indeed... >> >> Scar?ry >> a. 1. Bearing scars or marks of wounds. >> 1. Like a scar, or rocky eminence; containing scars. >> >> Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co. > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 19 15:20:43 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Feb 19 15:20:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235074387.23756.9.camel@james-desktop> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <499D8C1E.8090402@gmail.com> <1235064788.22285.10.camel@james-desktop> <1235074387.23756.9.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <49grp4to93o36l46ks8lsskis9ur1uq87i@4ax.com> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:13:07 -0600, James Tiner wrote: >OK, I read them (quickly) and still stand by my assertion that it is an >example of a trojan. Yes, the author agrees. He specifically mentions that in part two. So what? Putting a different name on it does not change the situation. > ... There is no >way to make an OS completely safe... Now that is directly from the Microsoft songbook. It can't be done (so don't blame us.) Many things exist because the inventor took "it can't be done" as a starting point, not a destination. > The only way to >counter these kinds of attacks is not to approach it as an exploit >vector but to approach it as a training issue. From the original author's follow-up: "These kinds of comments completely miss the point. The necessity of the execute bit for normal execution is a big and useful security feature of *nix OSs, such as Linux. ... So, anything that can take 'difficult' extra steps off the chain of events towards a successful infection greatly increases its chances. That's what this article was about: How to infect a user who just knows how to click with the mouse and has never heard of permissions or execute flags before. If he had, he probably wouldn't fall for this anyway." >In fact, the best way for a home user to mitigate the issues caused by >this is to tell them to Backup (good advice no matter what system is >used), Don't open attachments unless you were expecting it and it comes >from a trusted source (good advice no matter what system is used), and >Backup (I know, I said it twice but it's the part everyone forgets!!!) Yes, I teach that too. I still install anti-malware (on Windows) and promote strong passwords (everywhere). This article was about strengthening a software product to make it more resistant to exploit. If you'd like to breed better users, that's a different discussion. --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From Michael.Serene at sapphire.com Thu Feb 19 15:34:39 2009 From: Michael.Serene at sapphire.com (Michael Serene) Date: Thu Feb 19 15:34:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] QA Engineer With Linux Experience Opportunity In San Antonio! 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This program allows us to expand our network and contact new clients and Consultants through our most valuable channel of communication?those who already work with us! Automatically update your resume in our database from our website! Go to: http://www.sapphirena.com From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 18:24:04 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Feb 19 18:24:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ISP support - how to get the best support possible In-Reply-To: <7f9598380902180215t68da035bhc7c2cd2953e76813@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f9598380902180215t68da035bhc7c2cd2953e76813@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0902191624t531dc976g435ae89e5b2873fa@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, keep in mind that most tech support is just a call center where the primary performance stat is how many calls are answered and how long they take. Agents are given a crash course in 90 percent of what people call for and the rest are escalated or blown off. This way they can keep costs down with minimal investment in new employees .. many use temp agencies for staffing too. Its too risky to spend resources training "experts" who may leave. Seems like customer service is considered unskilled laber these days and 2 weeks of training is sufficient for a technical call center rep. -Henry On 2/18/09, D Villarreal wrote: > Having worked with major ISPs and vendors of computer equipment/services, I > would urge you to remember that you're dealing with people under time > constraints and with non-existent to limited knowledge about operating > systems other than those from Microsoft . A lot of my teammates knew nothing > about GNU/Linux, and so they figured that by getting you off the phone > quickly they were able to save face, as well as help their stats. Even > though I'm working with very expensive equipment, I am still under a time > constraint, but it's not so limited as with an ISP. Generally speaking, ISP > helpdesk personnel are going to go by scripts to a certain degree, and they > can't get around that. Your challenge is to be pleasant to the person on the > other end of the line and get them to want to help you. I can't emphasize > that enough, you'd be surprised what you can get accomplished if you are > nice to the helpdesk people. I used to have to deal with a lot of people who > would be nasty and it's part of the business, but I've never seen a negative > customer get better support than a friendly, understanding customer. If you > have to call and get a modem provisioned or something else, one can still > get help, by using certain phrasing. Beyond dealing with provisioning and > certain things that require you to deal with the ISP, try to do everything > yourself and search the internet for settings and so forth, it will save you > a lot of frustration. I've posted previously about my ISP experiences, and > about how to deal with ISP personnel, so you might look up my messages. > > > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:47:17 -0600 >> From: "Todd W. Bucy" >> Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL >> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> >> does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support >> Linux? >> >> background >> >> I recently worked on my neighbor's a HP Ze2000. It was loaded with >> Winblows XP ... installed Xbuntu 8.04. has a little problem with the wifi >> but I got it figured out and was able to connect to his DSL modem with no >> prob... and while I am gone AT&T calls back... the tech support guy says >> that AT&T doesn't support Linux. what is there for an >> ISP to support its the same DAMN Internet ARGGGGGGG!!!! I hate lazy tech >> support people! Now I have to use my afternoon tomorrow to talking to AT&T >> for my neighbor anyone have any ideas how to handle my next encounter with >> AT&T? >> >> sorry for the rant I hate to get it off my chest. >> Todd >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Feb 19 18:43:19 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Feb 19 18:43:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ISP support - how to get the best support possible In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0902191624t531dc976g435ae89e5b2873fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f9598380902180215t68da035bhc7c2cd2953e76813@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0902191624t531dc976g435ae89e5b2873fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235090599.7245.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I did not consider this...I withdraw my earlier statement about lazy tech support. It seems that you have outlined one of many examples of how the corporate model fails the customer. GRRRRR...it was much easier being frustrated with an individual then a faceless corp. Todd On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 18:24 -0600, Henry Pugsley wrote: > Yeah, keep in mind that most tech support is just a call center where > the primary performance stat is how many calls are answered and how > long they take. Agents are given a crash course in 90 percent of what > people call for and the rest are escalated or blown off. This way they > can keep costs down with minimal investment in new employees .. many > use temp agencies for staffing too. Its too risky to spend resources > training "experts" who may leave. > Seems like customer service is considered unskilled laber these days > and 2 weeks of training is sufficient for a technical call center rep. > > -Henry > > > > > > On 2/18/09, D Villarreal wrote: > > Having worked with major ISPs and vendors of computer equipment/services, I > > would urge you to remember that you're dealing with people under time > > constraints and with non-existent to limited knowledge about operating > > systems other than those from Microsoft . A lot of my teammates knew nothing > > about GNU/Linux, and so they figured that by getting you off the phone > > quickly they were able to save face, as well as help their stats. Even > > though I'm working with very expensive equipment, I am still under a time > > constraint, but it's not so limited as with an ISP. Generally speaking, ISP > > helpdesk personnel are going to go by scripts to a certain degree, and they > > can't get around that. Your challenge is to be pleasant to the person on the > > other end of the line and get them to want to help you. I can't emphasize > > that enough, you'd be surprised what you can get accomplished if you are > > nice to the helpdesk people. I used to have to deal with a lot of people who > > would be nasty and it's part of the business, but I've never seen a negative > > customer get better support than a friendly, understanding customer. If you > > have to call and get a modem provisioned or something else, one can still > > get help, by using certain phrasing. Beyond dealing with provisioning and > > certain things that require you to deal with the ISP, try to do everything > > yourself and search the internet for settings and so forth, it will save you > > a lot of frustration. I've posted previously about my ISP experiences, and > > about how to deal with ISP personnel, so you might look up my messages. > > > > > > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:47:17 -0600 > >> From: "Todd W. Bucy" > >> Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL > >> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >> > >> does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support > >> Linux? > >> > >> background > >> > >> I recently worked on my neighbor's a HP Ze2000. It was loaded with > >> Winblows XP ... installed Xbuntu 8.04. has a little problem with the wifi > >> but I got it figured out and was able to connect to his DSL modem with no > >> prob... and while I am gone AT&T calls back... the tech support guy says > >> that AT&T doesn't support Linux. what is there for an > >> ISP to support its the same DAMN Internet ARGGGGGGG!!!! I hate lazy tech > >> support people! Now I have to use my afternoon tomorrow to talking to AT&T > >> for my neighbor anyone have any ideas how to handle my next encounter with > >> AT&T? > >> > >> sorry for the rant I hate to get it off my chest. > >> Todd > >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Feb 19 19:19:17 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Feb 19 19:19:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] att dsl charles geoff In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902181040m71646d15v1870ee7e281409e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902181040m71646d15v1870ee7e281409e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499E0515.6000706@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Maybe yahoo new mail works on Linux other than Hardy but it doesn't work > with our Hardy, mine or Mom's. There are a lot of ads on it stuff flashing > all the time, our systems lock up so we use the classic mail...a lot less > ads too. > > Geoff.. > Yes, we can pull that mail through another source but I like to keep those 2 > accounts separate since they are for 2 diferent purposes. I don't have to > log in all the time since I close it with yahoo inbox open in 1 tab all the > time even when shutting down then then when I open again I just tell it to > open the last session...actually I have it set up to do that...then I can > just go from tab to tab... c > Have yahoo deliever your email to your mail client (I use Thunderbird). If you can't add a -separate- mail account, create a filter, that says "if from <{$user}) then move to "name folder". From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 19:43:25 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Feb 19 19:43:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] thank you Geoff Message-ID: <7e4994a70902191743y52abd3depd5af7ed8ee2b26f0@mail.gmail.com> never knew you could do that. didn't know what "filter" meant like in gmail so i never messed with it... Oh, and i completely forgot abt Thunderbird mail too. I always thought the new Yahoo mail was so ad ladened, I was glad it would freeze up my system and not display properly..so I could still use the "classic". I used classic since I was on Windoze in the early 90's or whenever Yahoo mail began, only switching to Linux about 3 years ago. I have a lot of files with email in them on Yahoo so I don't tamper with that acct. ATT use MS software to spy on us you know, so they will never be Linux friendly...c -- From dvprogs at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 21:00:22 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Thu Feb 19 21:00:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ISP support - how to get the best support possible - rebuttal Message-ID: <7f9598380902191900t1aecaa0v1ae6b8401bb50c89@mail.gmail.com> > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:24:04 -0600 From: Henry Pugsley < > henry.pugsley@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] ISP support - how to get the best support possible > Yeah, keep in mind that most tech support is just a call center where the > primary performance stat is how many calls are answered and how long they > take. Agents are given a crash course in 90 percent of what people call for > and the rest are escalated or blown off. This way they can keep costs down > with minimal investment in new employees .. many use temp agencies for > staffing too. Its too risky to spend resources training "experts" who may > leave. Seems like customer service is considered unskilled laber these days > and 2 weeks of training is sufficient for a technical call center rep. > > -Henry What ISPs are you discussing? What do you base your assessment upon ? Having seen the corporate side of tech support (what other side is there?), what you describe is nothing like what I've experienced. If you want to look down your nose and sneer at me, have at it. I used to work for a big player communications company there (not an ISP) and my teammates would have to call up major broadband providers when something went wrong and my teammates would often complain of the service. I'd call the same reps and I would have no problems. You want to know why? Because I treated the reps with dignity and respect. If you communicate with helpdesk personnel with outlook that goes with this kind of misrepresentation, I can't help but wonder what they think after they hang up the phone. Besides, being "unskilled labor," I should be thankful to be allowed to post on SATLUG's mailing list. From rjw6844 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 21:10:51 2009 From: rjw6844 at gmail.com (Robert Waldo) Date: Thu Feb 19 21:10:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Installing a PCI Graphics Card into Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: <499DC63F.2070304@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <7c63fb3d0902191119i14e24663l630376a6261f79a7@mail.gmail.com> <200902191341.29210.jdchoate@gmail.com> <499DC63F.2070304@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <703ba7320902191910p534d83acr5b0e9846045c6815@mail.gmail.com> you going about this the hard way. Why not use the RPM Fusion repository and use "yum install kmod-nvidia"? I used the Nvidia driver several years ago and it installed their software which created another application to manage the display settings. If you like the Nvidia splash screen, then use their driver. Later I chose the RRM fusion repository, because it auto updates if you have yum-dates turned on. Look here: http://rpmfusion.org/ if you have questions. Bob Waldo On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Charles Hogan < cd_satl@futuretechsolutions.com> wrote: > > > John D Choate wrote: > >> On Thursday 19 February 2009 13:19:52 Peter Cross wrote: >> >>> OK to set the record straight... I'm new to Linux and am attempting to >>> bone >>> up on other platforms before beginning cert classes and testing. >>> >>> I'm at the end of my rope! I'm using Fedora 9 with the Amahi Repo to run >>> as >>> a home server for backups, file sharing, FTP, etc. I'm trying to install >>> a >>> graphics card so that I can use my tv as a monitor instead of having to >>> take >>> apart the home computer. The War Department (AKA the missus) has >>> delivered a >>> declaration of hostility to me via a certified ultimatum to get the >>> server >>> up and running or to take it down. >>> >>> The following instructions were provided by nvidia to install a 5200: >>> >>> *STEP 1:* Review the NVIDIA Software >>> License >>> .*(ok... did that)* >>> >>> You will need to accept this license prior to downloading any files. >>> >>> *STEP 2:* Download the Driver File *(easy peasy)* >>> >>> *Download* - NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12.pkg1.run< >>> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run >>> > >>> >>> SuSE users: please read the SuSE NVIDIA Installer >>> HOWTObefore >>> downloading the driver. >>> >>> *STEP 3:* Install >>> Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run" to install the driver. >>> NVIDIA >>> now provides a utility to assist you with configuration of your X server >>> configuration file< >>> http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nvidia-xconfig/nvidia-xconfig-1.0.tar.gz >>> >. >>> Please see Chapter 3 of the >>> README< >>> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/README/chapter-03.html >>> >or >>> run 'man nvidia-xconfig' for details on usage. Instructions for those >>> wishing to edit their X config file by hand can also be found in the >>> README< >>> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/README/index.html >>> > >>> .*(Not sure what this Means! HELP)* >>> >>> If you have any questions or problems, please check the NVIDIA Linux >>> discussion forum< >>> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14>. >>> If you don't find an answer to your question there, you can send email >>> (in >>> English) to linux-bugs@nvidia.com. >>> >>> When emailing linux-bugs@nvidia.com, please attach an >>> nvidia-bug-report.log, >>> which is generated by running "nvidia-bug-report.sh". >>> I've logged in as the root and tried to run the command string but then >>> it >>> states that the "user is not valid" >>> >>> I've gone into the permissions on the file and changed it so that it will >>> run as an executable file. >>> >>> Please help this young Jedi Padawan.... >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers! >>> >>> Peter Cross >>> San Antonio, TX 78233 >>> >>> "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" >>> -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 >>> >> >> Ok, to avoid as many problems as possible, this needs to run while an X >> session is not. >> If you are running KDE or Gnome, logout. Then hit CTRL-ALT-F3 to get to >> terminal3 (tty3 should be displayed on the screen) and login as root. >> If you use KDE, the type 'killall kdm' or 'pidof kdm' followed by 'kill >> xxxx' (xxxx being the number shown after typing 'pidof kdm'.) If using >> Gnome, use the above commands, but with 'gdm' or 'gdm-bin' instead of 'kdm'. >> After killing the desktop manager you might notice the screen change, >> putting you back to a login prompt. If this happens, press CTRL-ALT-F3 again >> to return to tty3. >> Next type 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run' to run the nvidia >> install utility. >> If all goes well, you will be able to type 'kdm' to run kde's display >> manager, or gdm (or gdm-bin, I forget) for Gnome display manager. >> You will need to have the kernel-source package installed to be able to >> complete the nvidia utility as well. >> >> >> John C. >> > > When in the terminal as root, type in "init 3", (without the quotes), and > that should shut down the X server. After installing the driver, type "init > 5" to restart the X server. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'. - Larry Hardiman From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 22:06:31 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Feb 19 22:06:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ISP support - how to get the best support possible In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0902191624t531dc976g435ae89e5b2873fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f9598380902180215t68da035bhc7c2cd2953e76813@mail.gmail.com> <1003aeaa0902191624t531dc976g435ae89e5b2873fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499E2C47.4010905@gmail.com> Hi All; Henry Pugsley wrote: > Yeah, keep in mind that most tech support is just a call center where > the primary performance stat is how many calls are answered and how > long they take. Agents are given a crash course in 90 percent of what > people call for and the rest are escalated or blown off. My first experience working a helpdesk, was to learn a script -- 50 Ways To (Polititely) Say: We can't do that..." It wound up covering the whole range of what we thought we were there for... Imagine that... > This way they can keep costs down with minimal investment in new employees .. many > use temp agencies for staffing too. Its too risky to spend resources training "experts" who may leave. > Again, different. My department sent 10 "reps" to a local training center to become A+ Certified. I did. One other. The remaining 8 failed. Less than a year later, when the company decided to draw-down, lay-off, early-retire, or otherwise dispense with a big chunk of our department, we two certified techs were called in, privately, and given a choice that was no choice: early retirement, or termination within another year anyway. They obviously didn't want "experts," whom they'd have to title correctly and pay commensurately. We're gone, the company still floats, and one of the "failed" reps is now a section chief. Go figure... > Seems like customer service is considered unskilled laber these days > and 2 weeks of training is sufficient for a technical call center rep. > You got it. Trained monkeys with a script and a keyboard. > -Henry > > Cheers; Ed > > > > On 2/18/09, D Villarreal wrote: > >> Having worked with major ISPs and vendors of computer equipment/services, I >> would urge you to remember that you're dealing with people under time >> constraints and with non-existent to limited knowledge about operating >> systems other than those from Microsoft . A lot of my teammates knew nothing >> about GNU/Linux, and so they figured that by getting you off the phone >> quickly they were able to save face, as well as help their stats. Even >> though I'm working with very expensive equipment, I am still under a time >> constraint, but it's not so limited as with an ISP. Generally speaking, ISP >> helpdesk personnel are going to go by scripts to a certain degree, and they >> can't get around that. Your challenge is to be pleasant to the person on the >> other end of the line and get them to want to help you. I can't emphasize >> that enough, you'd be surprised what you can get accomplished if you are >> nice to the helpdesk people. I used to have to deal with a lot of people who >> would be nasty and it's part of the business, but I've never seen a negative >> customer get better support than a friendly, understanding customer. If you >> have to call and get a modem provisioned or something else, one can still >> get help, by using certain phrasing. Beyond dealing with provisioning and >> certain things that require you to deal with the ISP, try to do everything >> yourself and search the internet for settings and so forth, it will save you >> a lot of frustration. I've posted previously about my ISP experiences, and >> about how to deal with ISP personnel, so you might look up my messages. >> >> >> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:47:17 -0600 >> >>> From: "Todd W. Bucy" >>> Subject: [SATLUG] AT&T DSL >>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >>> >>> does anyone know of a legitimate reason why ATT DSL does not support >>> Linux? >>> >>> background >>> >>> I recently worked on my neighbor's a HP Ze2000. It was loaded with >>> Winblows XP ... installed Xbuntu 8.04. has a little problem with the wifi >>> but I got it figured out and was able to connect to his DSL modem with no >>> prob... and while I am gone AT&T calls back... the tech support guy says >>> that AT&T doesn't support Linux. what is there for an >>> ISP to support its the same DAMN Internet ARGGGGGGG!!!! I hate lazy tech >>> support people! Now I have to use my afternoon tomorrow to talking to AT&T >>> for my neighbor anyone have any ideas how to handle my next encounter with >>> AT&T? >>> >>> sorry for the rant I hate to get it off my chest. >>> Todd >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Feb 20 07:37:44 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Feb 20 07:37:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: thank you Geoff In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902191743y52abd3depd5af7ed8ee2b26f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902191743y52abd3depd5af7ed8ee2b26f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499EB228.1000104@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > never knew you could do that. didn't know what "filter" meant like in gmail > so i never messed with it... > While in the regular message viewing mode, select a message by highlighting it, then in the tool bar, go to "message" then "create filter from message" and you can see all of the options. One filter I created is [SATLUG]. If the tag [SATLUG] appears in the subject line, then all of the [SATLUG] mail is automagically moved to the [SATLUG] folder, when it comes in. Let's be clear... this is all being done in Thunderbird. All my mail comes to one central point. > Oh, and i completely forgot abt Thunderbird mail too. > yep. I use Thunderbird mail as my client. You can even get gmail delivered to your thunderbird client, using pop3. The ports are different, but there are detailed instructions on the gmail mail page. > I always thought the new Yahoo mail was so ad ladened, For Firefox, go to "add-ons" and search out "adblock plus". After you install that, there's a stop-sign somewhere on one of the toolbars, you can select what to, and what not-to look at. Ads are blocked. Shockwave and flash images can be blocked as well. There are other ad-blocking add-ons available, too. > I was glad it would > freeze up my system and not display properly..so I could still use the > "classic". I used classic since I was on Windoze in the early 90's or > whenever Yahoo mail began, only switching to Linux about 3 years ago. I > have a lot of files with email in them on Yahoo so I don't tamper with that > acct. > when you get your filters setup and/or get pop3 setup for yahoo to have it delivered to your thunderbird client you can then start the arduous task of forwarding each of those, attachments and all, to your thunderbird client. This way, the mail you want to keep on Yahoo is now kept on your home computer, instead of some free server, that's available for hacking. You can have as many accounts in Thunderbird as you like. Gmail would be one account. Cheryl@yahoo.com would be another account, cholmes@your_isp.ext could be yet another account. The number of accounts is limitless in Thunderbird. I think there's 10 different email addresses on my remote client (accessed in San Antonio via remote from Houston). I have 9 accounts on my local machine. Some are duplicates, but each have mail in them that I need to keep. By having your mail on your machine, everything comes to one handy-dandy convenient place, and you don't have to crawl the web for mail and be attacked by ads possibly containing spyware and malware. I only accept cookies from the originating site I chose to go to. Remote cookies are -not- allowed, here. > ATT use MS software to spy on us you know, so they will never be Linux > friendly...c > Even google has spyware. Are you -really- interested in helping fight the cause? Go to www.grc.com Gibson Research Center. Steve Gibson is the guy who wrote SpinRite, and that's a harddrive utility program that reads the data of every sector, moves it to a known safe place on your harddrive, cleans that sector, making sure the disc surface is ok, and not in danger of failing anytime soon, then putting that data back, and moving onto the next sector. I was using SpinRite back in the mid 80's. Steve is a good dude, who also is at war with the script-kiddies and is interested in helping those who are interested in helping themselves. LOTS and Lots of free utilities to help you safe-guard your computer system(s). Hope this helps others, as well. I thought this message was directly from you, Cheryl, but when I replied, it went to the SATLUG list. Have a great Friday! Regards, -Geoff (Houston) From dvprogs at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 09:19:42 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Fri Feb 20 09:19:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian 5 Live vs Knoppix 6.0.1 Message-ID: <7f9598380902200719n48ae84abw92623a67d1b7e8ce@mail.gmail.com> I had been trying to run Knoppix 6.0.1 on a dual-core Intel chip on an Asus mobo, and it is sooo slow. Then I downloaded the Debian 5 Live Gnome and that ran great. Anyone else having this issue ? From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 10:22:12 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Feb 20 10:21:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] GRC Message-ID: <499ED8B4.4010708@gmail.com> Hi All; From Geoff's note to Cheryl: > Are you -really- interested in helping fight the cause? Go to > www.grc.com Gibson Research Center. Steve Gibson is the guy who wrote > SpinRite, and that's a harddrive utility program that reads the data of > every sector, moves it to a known safe place on your harddrive, cleans > that sector, making sure the disc surface is ok, and not in danger of > failing anytime soon, then putting that data back, and moving onto the > next sector. I was using SpinRite back in the mid 80's. Steve is a > good dude, who also is at war with the script-kiddies and is interested > in helping those who are interested in helping themselves. LOTS and > Lots of free utilities to help you safe-guard your computer system(s). I've also visited GRC for years, not for SpinRite, but for their _/Shields-Up!/_ pages. Those pages will help you check everything from open ports to browser headers and referrers. While mostly a big help for Winderz machines (and I use it for my client?le), most of the functions work just as well for a Linux machine. Cheers; Ed From invite+p6dipogz at facebookmail.com Fri Feb 20 10:43:33 2009 From: invite+p6dipogz at facebookmail.com (Ed Tillman) Date: Fri Feb 20 10:43:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Check out my Facebook profile Message-ID: <787e667cdd6823a374de7d828e4173df@localhost.localdomain> Hi S Group, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Ed To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=1290660114&k=54A2PWP3RYYM5AMEUCYUUU&r This e-mail may contain promotional materials. If you do not wish to receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, please click on the link below. Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=032c7a&u=1395416941 From dvprogs at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 20:12:56 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Fri Feb 20 20:13:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] managing email - worries and concerns over Tbird, Downloading Y mail. Gmail seems best so far IMO Message-ID: <7f9598380902201812j7375e392vaa90587d76762ded@mail.gmail.com> > > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:37:44 -0600 From: Geoff < > geofff@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > ... > > Oh, and i completely forgot abt Thunderbird mail too. > > yep. I use Thunderbird mail as my client. You can even get gmail > delivered to your thunderbird client, using pop3. The ports are different, > but there are detailed instructions on the gmail mail page. > I've tried the most recent Thunderbird and transferred over relative's email in MS WindowsXP and onto GNU/Linux and it went flawlessly. I had heard about Thunderbird having some quirks and am a little apprehensive to use it.... I've always been happy with Sylpheed. > > > I always thought the new Yahoo mail was so ad ladened, > > For Firefox, go to "add-ons" and search out "adblock plus". After you > install that, there's a stop-sign somewhere on one of the toolbars, you can > select what to, and what not-to look at. Ads are blocked. Shockwave and > flash images can be blocked as well. There are other ad-blocking add-ons > available, too. > > > I was glad it would freeze up my system and not display properly..so I > could still use the "classic". I used classic since I was on Windoze in the > early 90's or >whenever Yahoo mail began, only switching to Linux about 3 > years ago. I have a lot of files with email in them on Yahoo so I don't > tamper with that acct. > > > > when you get your filters setup and/or get pop3 setup for yahoo to have it > delivered to your thunderbird client you can then start the arduous task of > forwarding each of those, attachments and all, to your thunderbird client. > This way, the mail you want to keep on Yahoo is now kept on your home > computer, instead of some free server, that's available for hacking. > It may not be necessary to forward the email, that would take so much time. This is where it would be worthwhile using a third-party program to download Y mail. There are several programs to do this, although I've not tried them all and haven't had time. I think I did this one time but that's been a long time. It would just be easier to get rid of the Y email and just use gmail. > > You can have as many accounts in Thunderbird as you like. Gmail would ... ... > > Are you -really- interested in helping fight the cause? Go to www.grc.com > ... Steve is a good dude, who also is at war with the script-kiddies and is > interested in helping those who are interested in helping themselves. LOTS > and Lots of free utilities to help you safe-guard your computer system(s). > -Geoff (Houston) Sounds interesting, thanks for the lead. From satlugacct at jchampion.com Fri Feb 20 23:21:09 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Fri Feb 20 23:21:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian 5, Lenny--interesting discovery Message-ID: <1cb556d10902202121x37911f97o76fe866648c83f9e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just wanted to share this. I downloaded Lenny from my new Sony Vaio FW235 laptop. I was in the process of folding clothes when I discovered it was trying to install in Vista. I played along for a second and a couple of screens later, Lenny had auto-configured my Vista machine to dual boot to Vista and to the Debian Installer. Since I wasn't ready to install I tried messing around with the installer. It seems very slick. I am going to try installing it completely tomorrow. Does anyone have any input before I finish off this "accidental" install? Thanks john From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Feb 20 23:27:39 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Feb 20 23:27:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] GRC In-Reply-To: <499ED8B4.4010708@gmail.com> References: <499ED8B4.4010708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <499F90CB.3030602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> ed wrote: > Hi All; > > From Geoff's note to Cheryl: > >> > I've also visited GRC for years, not for SpinRite, but for their > _/Shields-Up!/_ pages. Those pages will help you check everything > from open ports to browser headers and referrers. While mostly a big > help for Winderz machines (and I use it for my client?le), most of the > functions work just as well for a Linux machine. I was saving that for a surprise for anyone who hadn't been there, before ;-) It's -really- a good site. From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 20 23:43:37 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Feb 20 23:43:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Debian 5, Lenny--interesting discovery In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10902202121x37911f97o76fe866648c83f9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1cb556d10902202121x37911f97o76fe866648c83f9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:21:09 -0600, John Champion wrote: >Hi, >I just wanted to share this. I downloaded Lenny from my new Sony Vaio FW235 >laptop. I was in the process of folding clothes when I discovered it was >trying to install in Vista. I played along for a second and a couple of >screens later, Lenny had auto-configured my Vista machine to dual boot to >Vista and to the Debian Installer. Since I wasn't ready to install I tried >messing around with the installer. It seems very slick. > >I am going to try installing it completely tomorrow. Does anyone have any >input before I finish off this "accidental" install? If you'd like to read how the installer is supposed to work, here is a link to the documentation (scroll down.) [1] http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Easy installation from Windows is a fairly new feature. You can even do it from the Web. http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ Work on improving the installer for the next release cycle has begun. You can send informal comments or a formal installation report to the group responsible. See the instructions at [1]. --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sat Feb 21 00:09:17 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Sat Feb 21 00:09:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] usb to serial adapter Message-ID: <20090221060917.RQR6H.108711.root@cdptpa-web03-z01> I have an external modem plugged in to a usb to serial adapter. Question is, how do I tell what ttyS? it became? Installed minicom, and tried to set it up using all ttyS0-ttyS3, and none worked. According to lsusb, it is listed, but I don't know where it went to or how to tell what it became. Using ubuntu 8.10, installed bu wubi. richard@ubuntu:~$ lsusb Bus 003 Device 004: ID 067b:2506 Prolific Technology, Inc. Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 005: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp. 8-in-1 Media Card Reader Bus 001 Device 004: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub I use this to track caller-id on my land-line phone-better than a callerid box because those boxes only show you the last time a person called, and this kind of setup (at least in that other OS) could list exactly what time and how many times someone has called. I know the commands for the modem, just not where to send them to. Thanks, Richard From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 01:07:24 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sat Feb 21 01:07:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] usb to serial adapter In-Reply-To: <20090221060917.RQR6H.108711.root@cdptpa-web03-z01> References: <20090221060917.RQR6H.108711.root@cdptpa-web03-z01> Message-ID: <869de8470902202307u53da5ff8vc78e83506790ac2c@mail.gmail.com> typically it will be /dev/ttyUSB0 for the first usb-serial adapter, /dev/ttyUSB1 for the 2nd and so forth... Good luck! FIRESTORM_v1 On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:09 AM, wrote: > I have an external modem plugged in to a usb to serial adapter. Question is, how do I tell what ttyS? it became? Installed minicom, and tried to set it up using all ttyS0-ttyS3, and none worked. According to lsusb, it is listed, but I don't know where it went to or how to tell what it became. Using ubuntu 8.10, installed bu wubi. > > richard@ubuntu:~$ lsusb > Bus 003 Device 004: ID 067b:2506 Prolific Technology, Inc. > Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > Bus 001 Device 005: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp. 8-in-1 Media Card Reader > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > > I use this to track caller-id on my land-line phone-better than a callerid box because those boxes only show you the last time a person called, and this kind of setup (at least in that other OS) could list exactly what time and how many times someone has called. I know the commands for the modem, just not where to send them to. > > Thanks, > Richard > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 01:15:46 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sat Feb 21 01:15:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] usb to serial adapter In-Reply-To: <869de8470902202307u53da5ff8vc78e83506790ac2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090221060917.RQR6H.108711.root@cdptpa-web03-z01> <869de8470902202307u53da5ff8vc78e83506790ac2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470902202315u1e7a979ahe78bf3561bd4595b@mail.gmail.com> After thinking about it, use minicom to test it. Ctrl A then z to get to the setup menu. O for Configure Minicom S for Serial Port setup A to set the device. (/dev/ttyUSB0 should be good. E to set up serial port comm parameters to exit the menus try your AT commands and see if your modem responds ATDT 2262161 (dial Time and Temp) ATA (Answer the ringing phone) ATH (Hang up) *never could get this to work, usually had to reset the modem. :P Try calling your landline BEFORE you set your caller ID command and see if you get "RING" coming from the modem. Hang up, try your callerID command (what is it? something like AT+VCID=1?) and try calling again. If all is well, you should see RING then your caller ID info. Hope that helps! FIRESTORM_v1 On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:07 AM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > typically it will be /dev/ttyUSB0 for the first usb-serial adapter, > /dev/ttyUSB1 for the 2nd and so forth... > > Good luck! > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:09 AM, wrote: >> I have an external modem plugged in to a usb to serial adapter. Question is, how do I tell what ttyS? it became? Installed minicom, and tried to set it up using all ttyS0-ttyS3, and none worked. According to lsusb, it is listed, but I don't know where it went to or how to tell what it became. Using ubuntu 8.10, installed bu wubi. >> >> richard@ubuntu:~$ lsusb >> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 067b:2506 Prolific Technology, Inc. >> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub >> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub >> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp. 8-in-1 Media Card Reader >> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port >> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub >> >> I use this to track caller-id on my land-line phone-better than a callerid box because those boxes only show you the last time a person called, and this kind of setup (at least in that other OS) could list exactly what time and how many times someone has called. I know the commands for the modem, just not where to send them to. >> >> Thanks, >> Richard >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 09:03:01 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Feb 21 09:02:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] GRC In-Reply-To: <499F90CB.3030602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <499ED8B4.4010708@gmail.com> <499F90CB.3030602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <49A017A5.8020704@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > ed wrote: > >> Hi All; >> >> From Geoff's note to Cheryl: >> >> >> I've also visited GRC for years, not for SpinRite, but for their >> _/Shields-Up!/_ pages. Those pages will help you check everything >> from open ports to browser headers and referrers. While mostly a big >> help for Winderz machines (and I use it for my client?le), most of the >> functions work just as well for a Linux machine. >> > > I was saving that for a surprise for anyone who hadn't been there, > before ;-) > > It's -really- a good site. > Apologies for stealing your thunder... But, it really is a great site. :) Cheers; Ed From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 09:32:10 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Sat Feb 21 09:32:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Shirts Message-ID: <49A01E7A.4040805@gmail.com> Anybody know the status of the SATLUG shirts? From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Feb 21 09:38:55 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Feb 21 09:39:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Shirts In-Reply-To: <49A01E7A.4040805@gmail.com> References: <49A01E7A.4040805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A0200F.2020300@shub-internet.org> on 2/21/09 9:32 AM, Matt Graham said: > Anybody know the status of the SATLUG shirts? I got my check in a week or two ago. I'm sure they've been ordered, it's just going to take them some time to be made and then shipped. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sat Feb 21 09:52:40 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Sat Feb 21 09:52:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] usb to serial adapter In-Reply-To: <869de8470902202315u1e7a979ahe78bf3561bd4595b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090221155240.DVH0R.110846.root@cdptpa-web03-z01> /dev/ttyUSB0 got me responses from my modem. I saw the init string and an ok from an at command. Now off to find a program similar to what I had before...(phonetray free) Thanks! Richard ---- FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > After thinking about it, use minicom to test it. > > Ctrl A then z to get to the setup menu. > O for Configure Minicom > S for Serial Port setup > A to set the device. (/dev/ttyUSB0 should be good. > E to set up serial port comm parameters > to exit the menus > > > try your AT commands and see if your modem responds > ATDT 2262161 (dial Time and Temp) > ATA (Answer the ringing phone) > ATH (Hang up) *never could get this to work, usually had to > reset the modem. :P > > Try calling your landline BEFORE you set your caller ID command and > see if you get "RING" coming from the modem. > > Hang up, try your callerID command (what is it? something like AT+VCID=1?) > and try calling again. If all is well, you should see RING then your > caller ID info. > > > Hope that helps! > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:07 AM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > > typically it will be /dev/ttyUSB0 for the first usb-serial adapter, > > /dev/ttyUSB1 for the 2nd and so forth... > > > > Good luck! > > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:09 AM, wrote: > >> I have an external modem plugged in to a usb to serial adapter. Question is, how do I tell what ttyS? it became? Installed minicom, and tried to set it up using all ttyS0-ttyS3, and none worked. According to lsusb, it is listed, but I don't know where it went to or how to tell what it became. Using ubuntu 8.10, installed bu wubi. > >> > >> richard@ubuntu:~$ lsusb > >> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 067b:2506 Prolific Technology, Inc. > >> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > >> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > >> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 058f:9360 Alcor Micro Corp. 8-in-1 Media Card Reader > >> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port > >> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > >> > >> I use this to track caller-id on my land-line phone-better than a callerid box because those boxes only show you the last time a person called, and this kind of setup (at least in that other OS) could list exactly what time and how many times someone has called. I know the commands for the modem, just not where to send them to. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Richard > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 10:45:07 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Sat Feb 21 10:45:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Shirts In-Reply-To: <49A0200F.2020300@shub-internet.org> References: <49A01E7A.4040805@gmail.com> <49A0200F.2020300@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <49A02F93.6060500@gmail.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > on 2/21/09 9:32 AM, Matt Graham said: > >> Anybody know the status of the SATLUG shirts? > > I got my check in a week or two ago. I'm sure they've been ordered, > it's just going to take them some time to be made and then shipped. > I turned in my money at the last install fest and have not heard anything since. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Feb 21 11:03:23 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Feb 21 11:03:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Shirts Message-ID: <3585a3482d7b4a77a799bc942d84bc86.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >> Anybody know the status of the SATLUG shirts? > > I got my check in a week or two ago. I'm sure they've been ordered, > it's just going to take them some time to be made and then shipped. > I turned in my money at the last install fest and have not heard anything since. -------------------------------------------------------------- Last post indicated cut-off to be on-or-about 2/11, assuming the order was placed then, they probably won't be available till sometime in early March...Smalll volume orders are low priority and usually are run during slack periods....Lou From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sat Feb 21 18:55:00 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sat Feb 21 18:55:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] managing email - worries and concerns over Tbird, Downloading Y mail. Gmail seems best so far IMO In-Reply-To: <7f9598380902201812j7375e392vaa90587d76762ded@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f9598380902201812j7375e392vaa90587d76762ded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1cb556d10902211655r60e077b1j4d348d71a9a63d39@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, D Villarreal wrote: > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:37:44 -0600 From: Geoff < > > geofff@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > > ... > > > Oh, and i completely forgot abt Thunderbird mail too. > > > > yep. I use Thunderbird mail as my client. You can even get gmail > > delivered to your thunderbird client, using pop3. The ports are > different, > > but there are detailed instructions on the gmail mail page. > > > > I've tried the most recent Thunderbird and transferred over relative's > email in MS WindowsXP and onto GNU/Linux and it went flawlessly. I had > heard > about Thunderbird having some quirks and am a little apprehensive to use > it.... I've always been happy with Sylpheed. > > > > > > > I always thought the new Yahoo mail was so ad ladened, > > > > For Firefox, go to "add-ons" and search out "adblock plus". After you > > install that, there's a stop-sign somewhere on one of the toolbars, you > can > > select what to, and what not-to look at. Ads are blocked. Shockwave and > > flash images can be blocked as well. There are other ad-blocking add-ons > > available, too. > > > > > I was glad it would freeze up my system and not display properly..so I > > could still use the "classic". I used classic since I was on Windoze in > the > > early 90's or >whenever Yahoo mail began, only switching to Linux about 3 > > years ago. I have a lot of files with email in them on Yahoo so I don't > > tamper with that acct. > > > > > > > when you get your filters setup and/or get pop3 setup for yahoo to have > it > > delivered to your thunderbird client you can then start the arduous task > of > > forwarding each of those, attachments and all, to your thunderbird > client. > > This way, the mail you want to keep on Yahoo is now kept on your home > > computer, instead of some free server, that's available for hacking. > > > > It may not be necessary to forward the email, that would take so much time. > This is where it would be worthwhile using a third-party program to > download > Y mail. There are several programs to do this, although I've not tried them > all and haven't had time. I think I did this one time but that's been a > long > time. It would just be easier to get rid of the Y email and just use gmail. > > > > > > You can have as many accounts in Thunderbird as you like. Gmail would > ... > > ... > > > > > Are you -really- interested in helping fight the cause? Go to > www.grc.com > > ... Steve is a good dude, who also is at war with the script-kiddies and > is > > interested in helping those who are interested in helping themselves. > LOTS > > and Lots of free utilities to help you safe-guard your computer > system(s). > > -Geoff (Houston) > > > Sounds interesting, thanks for the lead. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > I'm not going to try to be the morality police but using a free service like Yahoo mail, and then blocking the way that they pay for your free account is kinda like stealing. With that said...you should be aware of OpenDNS.com. If you set up an account with them, as I have, and set it up to block ads, porn, gambling, and malware sites, you can go on to Yahoo mail without any fear of the nefarious Yieldmanager ads that are served via an iFrame called from a Javascript that pulls data from their Yahoo image server.. Another way around the Yahoo ad issue is to pay them $20/yr for their premium mail service. I do that now and have a great experience with it. I use that account for all of my business transactions (things I buy, sell, etc...).. I have several Yahoo accounts and several Gmail accounts...and I even host my personal domain's email on Gmail. It's just a whole lot easier and I use Thunderbird to bring those accounts together. Maybe that will help you.... Thanks, john. From president at satlug.org Sun Feb 22 11:38:39 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Sun Feb 22 11:38:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] SATLUG Shirts In-Reply-To: <49A01E7A.4040805@gmail.com> References: <49A01E7A.4040805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0902220938n4a3d236cx98f727ad380ed370@mail.gmail.com> First of all, I apologize because I sent out a message about the shirts & realized it went to the officers list and NOT the main mailing list. Sigh....it's turning out to be one of those months. Here is where we are with the shirt order. The people have been out of the office because they were setup at the Rodeo and the only people in the office the receptionists. I have an appointment to order the shirts on Tuesday afternoon, February 24th. We should have the shirts back on the 11th. As soon as I actually get the shirts in my possession, I will let the list know. At this point I plan on bringing them to the March meeting on the 12th. If you can't make the meeting, Don Wright has agreed to take the shirts to the computer show on the 14th. I will be at the show but can't make it until about 1:30 or so because I have a commitment to be IN the St. Patrick's Day Parade that morning. If you cannot make either the meeting OR the computer show, contact me after the show & I will make arrangements to meet you somewhere around town so I can get your shirt(s) to you. The ones going out of town I hope to get sent out on Friday of that week. Jim p.s. I apologize for the time this has taken. For those of you who don't know, my grandmother has been in the hospital/rehab center/nursing home for the past 3 months so getting things take care of for her has had to be a top priority for me. Again, I apologize. On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Matt Graham wrote: > Anybody know the status of the SATLUG shirts? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 22 21:40:58 2009 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Sun Feb 22 21:41:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shopping Question Message-ID: <49A21ACA.2060305@sbcglobal.net> Please excuse a non-Linux question, but this is the only source of expert info that I have available. My daughter-in-law, in central Nevada (Round Mountain), asked the following. Since my wife is a phone company retiree, we get a special rate, and I have no answer. "We received a mail advertisement yesterday from the DSL provider for this area. Do you think 39.95 a month for 12 months, and a 5.95 lease fee, with 99.00 install is reasonable? The rate goes up 10 dollars after the first year to their basic fee of 49.95. Right now we are paying 22.95 for AT&T dialup. We rarely have issues with it, but it is so slow, and you can forget about receiving pictures. "The lease fee is for the satellite and equipment that they have to install. It is much like the Direct TV equipment that we have now. We did not buy the satellite dish or the receiver, so we have to lease it. Although with Direct TV, they waive the fee because we have been with them for so long." Thanks, Andy Pickens From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Feb 22 21:58:48 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sun Feb 22 21:58:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on the RMS Visit and Lecture at Trinity Message-ID: <200902222158.48393.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> I've been in communication with RMS and the Trinity rep... and here's the latest info on his April talk on Copyrights at Trinity: http://www.fsf.org/events/20090420sanantonio/ I think that since this talk is on the same night as the April XCSSA meeting.. that our group might forego our regular meeting and instead of a show-n-tell meeting, have a "field trip" night out... meeting at SAC and leaving for RMS Trinity talk together. I will be collecting the RSVPs for XCSSA. You SATLUGgers might want to do the same and just have one rep contact the Trinity person for getting you group seating. The trinity PoC is in that link above. Cheers, Tweeks From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 22:03:07 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Feb 22 22:03:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shopping Question In-Reply-To: <49A21ACA.2060305@sbcglobal.net> References: <49A21ACA.2060305@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49A21FFB.8070207@gmail.com> Andrew Pickens wrote: > Please excuse a non-Linux question, but this is the only source of > expert info that I have available. > > My daughter-in-law, in central Nevada (Round Mountain), asked the > following. Since my wife is a phone company retiree, we get a special > rate, and I have no answer. > > "We received a mail advertisement yesterday from the DSL provider for > this area. Do you think 39.95 a month for 12 months, and a 5.95 lease > fee, with 99.00 install is reasonable? The rate goes up 10 dollars after > the first year to their basic fee of 49.95. Right now we are paying > 22.95 for AT&T dialup. We rarely have issues with it, but it is so slow, > and you can forget about receiving pictures. > > "The lease fee is for the satellite and equipment that they have to > install. It is much like the Direct TV equipment that we have now. We > did not buy the satellite dish or the receiver, so we have to lease it. > Although with Direct TV, they waive the fee because we have been with > them for so long." You don't say what the speed it, but that seems kinda pricey. OTOH, I suspect that being in the middle of Nevada is more expensive for these types of things. The question thy have to ask is is the increased speed worth the $30/month difference to them. It would be to me, but everyone is different. -- Bruce From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 22:18:45 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Feb 22 22:18:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on the RMS Visit and Lecture at Trinity In-Reply-To: <200902222158.48393.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200902222158.48393.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <49A223A5.3090909@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > I've been in communication with RMS and the Trinity rep... and here's the > latest info on his April talk on Copyrights at Trinity: > http://www.fsf.org/events/20090420sanantonio/ > > I think that since this talk is on the same night as the April XCSSA meeting.. > that our group might forego our regular meeting and instead of a show-n-tell > meeting, have a "field trip" night out... meeting at SAC and leaving for RMS > Trinity talk together. > > I will be collecting the RSVPs for XCSSA. You SATLUGgers might want to do the > same and just have one rep contact the Trinity person for getting you group > seating. The trinity PoC is in that link above. If its the same auditorium that Strostrup gave his presentation, it's pretty large -- I'd say about 150 seats. The announcement says its open to the public and it looks like no RSVP is needed. -- Bruce From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Feb 23 00:09:07 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Mon Feb 23 00:09:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 18 February 2009 11:12:43 pm Travis Runty wrote: > Really good stuff. I have always ran the noexec on my '/tmp', however, I > think I'm considering adding it to my devices '/home' too. Assuming there > are no unforseen negatives it certainly wouldn't hurt anything. Uhh.. I wouldn't recommend that. Many X controls and scripts reside there... as well as you bash files (.bash_login, .bashrc, etc).. not to mention many user's ~/bin/ dirs.. Yeah.. that would be a nightmare on my system. I would recommend putting some filesystem level restrictions on /tmp/ (have to have a separate partition first though), and then "mount --bind" /var/tmp/ there also. Also lock down your /dev/shm/ (a not so well known ramdisk area hacks write their backdoors to also). See here: $ mount |grep shm devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) On Thursday 19 February 2009 10:43:10 am ed wrote: > As Linux grabs more market share on the home desktop, its only natural, > a matter of time, before the bad guys start (if they haven't already) > writing exploits for it I disagree to some degree. The reason that windows has been so problematic is not JUST because it's the biggest tartget.. but because it's SOOOOOO homogeneous. It's cookie cutter.. A computer monoculture, if you will. Take this virus/target-culture model into nature. It's just like a giant domesticated animal farm. What happens in nature when you have a giant monoculture (cows, banans, etc)? One ravenous disease comes along and wipes them all out. So what even if you keep standing new animals back up (reinstalling.. new models, etc).. The same monoculture problem exists and viruses feed on monocultures. This is why nature has differing species, breeds, and strains. In two words.. biological diversity. This is also why I believe that Windows will always be the weaker OS "health wise" and why I believe Linux will never be as hard hit with viri as Windows. Linux is a chaotic, heterogeneous mix of distros, desktops and packages.. always changing. No virus can assume that all Linux desktop is running Thunderbird.. or Kmail, Mutt or Evolution. I guess a virus writer /could/ include vector-checks for the most common Linux mail clients out there.. but you still have all the distro differences, seLinux, iptables, filesystem differences, etc.. And that's a huge waste of energy when the virus-yummy monoculture of Windows+Outlook is such a more attractive target. Such an easier herd to own. :) Some say that there's safety in numbers... With regards to virus defense, this is not the case... But even more importantly, I say the real safety is in diversity. All for now.. nite nite. Tweeks > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > oops forgot to include the authors update to this article. > > > > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6236 > > > > Todd > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 21:32 -0600, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > > ran across this and thought I would throw it out there for comments > > > > > > enjoy > > > Todd > > > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > Travis Runty > 210.391.3949 > www.linuxismybff.com From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Feb 23 08:49:19 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Feb 23 08:49:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <20090223084919.129055l4xrov66ww@shlrm.org> Quoting Tweeks : > Take this virus/target-culture model into nature. It's just like a giant > domesticated animal farm. What happens in nature when you have a giant > monoculture (cows, banans, etc)? One ravenous disease comes along and wipes > them all out. So what even if you keep standing new animals back up > (reinstalling.. new models, etc).. The same monoculture problem exists and > viruses feed on monocultures. > That's an awesome analogy. I wish I could just reboot dead cows. -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 09:12:29 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:11:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <20090223084919.129055l4xrov66ww@shlrm.org> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <20090223084919.129055l4xrov66ww@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <49A2BCDD.3040908@gmail.com> David Kowis wrote: > Quoting Tweeks : >> Take this virus/target-culture model into nature. It's just like a >> giant >> domesticated animal farm. What happens in nature when you have a giant >> monoculture (cows, banans, etc)? One ravenous disease comes along >> and wipes >> them all out. So what even if you keep standing new animals back up >> (reinstalling.. new models, etc).. The same monoculture problem >> exists and >> viruses feed on monocultures. >> > > That's an awesome analogy. I wish I could just reboot dead cows. > And, to extend the Windows/cows metaphor, there are some folk in the world, for whatever reasons, just won't do Linux/hog, Linux/goat, Linux/lamb, or even Linux/deer. These poor folk are just doomed to large vet bills and low sustenance quotas. But, will they ever see that...? Cheers; Ed From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 23 09:12:53 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:12:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on the RMS Visit and Lecture at Trinity In-Reply-To: <200902222158.48393.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200902222158.48393.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1235401973.49a2bcf56ccd1@webmail.grandecom.net> > I will be collecting the RSVPs for XCSSA. You SATLUGgers might want to do > the > same and just have one rep contact the Trinity person for getting you group > seating. The trinity PoC is in that link above. > > Cheers, > > Tweeks I have been coordinating with the same rep. our head count as of now stands at 15 +/- 2. I will be sending our head count in to the rep after the march meeting. If there is interest we can all meet up at SAC as well and car pool it to Trinity. Parking can be difficult at Trinity. Todd From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 09:23:12 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:23:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on the RMS Visit and Lecture at Trinity In-Reply-To: <49A223A5.3090909@gmail.com> References: <200902222158.48393.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <49A223A5.3090909@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:18:45 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >Tweeks wrote: >> I've been in communication with RMS and the Trinity rep... and here's the >> latest info on his April talk on Copyrights at Trinity: >> http://www.fsf.org/events/20090420sanantonio/ >> I will be collecting the RSVPs for XCSSA. You SATLUGgers might want to do the >> same and just have one rep contact the Trinity person for getting you group >> seating. The trinity PoC is in that link above. >If its the same auditorium that Strostrup gave his presentation, it's pretty >large -- I'd say about 150 seats. The announcement says its open to the public >and it looks like no RSVP is needed. Chapman Auditorium has 254 seats according to the interactive campus map (flash required). If RMS is really a rock star, then Laurie has about 10 times that. Previous list traffic indicates Todd Bucy has been in contact with Trinity and is accumulating a headcount. --Don -- Cry 'Yvahk' and let slip the GNUs of war! --Don 391925f6 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Feb 23 09:28:31 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:28:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1235402911.49a2c09fcfb50@webmail.grandecom.net> > not JUST because it's the biggest tartget.. but because it's SOOOOOO > homogeneous. It's cookie cutter.. A computer monoculture, if you will. > > Take this virus/target-culture model into nature. It's just like a giant > domesticated animal farm. What happens in nature when you have a giant > monoculture (cows, banans, etc)? One ravenous disease comes along and wipes > them all out. So what even if you keep standing new animals back up > (reinstalling.. new models, etc).. The same monoculture problem exists and > viruses feed on monocultures. > > This is why nature has differing species, breeds, and strains. In two words.. > biological diversity. This is also why I believe that Windows will always be > the weaker OS "health wise" and why I believe Linux will never be as hard hit > with viri as Windows. Linux is a chaotic, heterogeneous mix of distros, > desktops and packages.. always changing. No virus can assume that all Linux > desktop is running Thunderbird.. or Kmail, Mutt or Evolution. I guess a > virus writer /could/ include vector-checks for the most common Linux mail > clients out there.. but you still have all the distro differences, seLinux, > iptables, filesystem differences, etc.. And that's a huge waste of energy > when the virus-yummy monoculture of Windows+Outlook is such a more attractive > target. Such an easier herd to own. :) > > Some say that there's safety in numbers... > With regards to virus defense, this is not the case... > But even more importantly, I say the real safety is in diversity. > > All for now.. nite nite. > > Tweeks I agree with the gist (survival through diversity) of your analogy but it seems to me that as Linux grows in popularity (outside of the geek world) some distros will be more popular then others, within the non-geek world. Ubuntu for instance is positioning itself as the windows replacement for the dissatisfied M$ customer who may or may not be familiar with nix op systems. It seems to me that your analogy would only hold up if there was a distro adoption rate by new non-tech Linux users that is fairly evenly spread out among many distros. That said there are only a hand-full of distro's that actively market themselves toward this crowd and Ubuntu is currently the leader in this category. Your analogy may protect us for now but should a particular Linux distro become homogenous within a large segment of Linux users then I am not so sure. Todd From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 09:36:34 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Feb 23 09:36:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Update on the RMS Visit and Lecture at Trinity In-Reply-To: <1235401973.49a2bcf56ccd1@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <200902222158.48393.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1235401973.49a2bcf56ccd1@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:12:53 -0600, toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: >If there is interest we can all meet up at SAC as well and car pool it >to Trinity. Parking can be difficult at Trinity. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's just something funny about that statement. --Don From j at jvpappas.net Mon Feb 23 10:16:52 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Feb 23 10:16:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] managing email - worries and concerns over Tbird, Downloading Y mail. Gmail seems best so far IMO In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10902211655r60e077b1j4d348d71a9a63d39@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f9598380902201812j7375e392vaa90587d76762ded@mail.gmail.com> <1cb556d10902211655r60e077b1j4d348d71a9a63d39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450902230816u23d96a0em55c1f2932e66ad73@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 18:55, John Champion wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, D Villarreal wrote: > > > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:37:44 -0600 From: Geoff < > > > geofff@w5omr.shacknet.nu> > > > ... > > I've tried the most recent Thunderbird and transferred over relative's > > email in MS WindowsXP and onto GNU/Linux and it went flawlessly. I had > > heard about Thunderbird having some quirks and am a little apprehensive > to use > > it.... I've always been happy with Sylpheed. > If you use GMail and Y! Mail, you could try the Zimbra Desktop Client. I use Hosted Zimbra, MS Exchange (IMAP), and GMail (IMAP) for various purposes, so it works for me, better than TBird, due to the Zimbra integration. It runs cross-platform (Win/Lin/OSX) and allows for offline use with Zimbra's great search feature, etc. They are working on syncing GCal and GContacts as well, so YMMV. I also used TBird for a while (Web-based mail does not offline), until Zimbra Desktop took its place (As I was a Zimbra user anyway). Speaking of Offline, why does google not use Google Gears for Offline Gmail access? I use gears for Offline access to both Google Reader and Remember The Milk, and really like it. Allows me to use both when I am not connected to the net, which is very nice. > > > > I always thought the new Yahoo mail was so ad ladened, > Yep, got to pay for it somehow. > > It may not be necessary to forward the email, that would take so much > time. > > This is where it would be worthwhile using a third-party program to > > download Y mail. > As Zimbra was bought by Yahoo, I was under the impression that the "new" YMail was a derivative of the Zimbra Suite, just retooled a bit to support ad delivery and other Y-specific stuff. I don't use YMail, although I do use the yahoo account for OpenID stuff, so I am not sure how well the Zimbra Desktop integrates with it, but I am sure that there is at least IMAP. > > It would just be easier to get rid of the Y email and just use gmail. > Or use GMail to grab YMail via POP. I use Zimbra to aggregate all my accounts (Zimbra supports IMAP account, not just POP, but both aggregators work the same), and allows for shared mailboxes, OTA Sync for my iPhone, and the like, but is not free. HTH, jp From j at jvpappas.net Mon Feb 23 13:03:03 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Feb 23 13:03:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shopping Question In-Reply-To: <49A21FFB.8070207@gmail.com> References: <49A21ACA.2060305@sbcglobal.net> <49A21FFB.8070207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450902231103h371f00b8u6489936637bab731@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 22:03, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Andrew Pickens wrote: > >> Please excuse a non-Linux question, but this is the only source of expert >> info that I have available. >> >> My daughter-in-law, in central Nevada (Round Mountain), asked the >> following. Since my wife is a phone company retiree, we get a special rate, >> and I have no answer. >> >> "We received a mail advertisement yesterday from the DSL provider for this >> area. Do you think 39.95 a month for 12 months, and a 5.95 lease fee, with >> 99.00 install is reasonable? The rate goes up 10 dollars after the first >> year to their basic fee of 49.95. Right now we are paying 22.95 for AT&T >> dialup. We rarely have issues with it, but it is so slow, and you can forget >> about receiving pictures. >> > If they are used to Dialup, any DSL speed better than 128K would be a vast improvement, if the increased cost is acceptable. If you are looking at a 256K up/768K down ADSL link, and there is little/no cable competition, then the price is reasonable (albeit maybe not fair), but if you are looking at the 512Kb up/1+M down ADSL, the price is fair. I am paying ~57 for RR turbo (1M up 15M down), Although I am in town and in a competitive market. "The lease fee is for the satellite and equipment that they have to install. >> It is much like the Direct TV equipment that we have now. We did not buy the >> satellite dish or the receiver, so we have to lease it. Although with Direct >> TV, they waive the fee because we have been with them for so long." > > Not sure how this applies, but Satellite will be more expensive per KB than nearly any other medium, although the 5G cap introduced by the wireless carriers for data plans may change that for heavy users. Most wireless data plans run in the 60/month range and average 256K up/512K down, depending on signal strength and protocol. I have gotten as high as 1.5M down on my Sprint EVDO rev A card (cut that in half for just EVDO) and just under 1M (~900K) down on 3G via my iPhone. EDGE/RTT are better than dialup, but noticeably slow in comparison (300-400K down). I have no experience with Satellite, but my understanding is that latency is high (128K mile round trip), but throughput is acceptable. Most Sat providers also have a "Fair Use" policy (Similar to the caps that most carriers use) so be aware. > You don't say what the speed it, but that seems kinda pricey. OTOH, I > suspect that being in the middle of Nevada is more expensive for these types > of things. The question thy have to ask is is the increased speed worth the > $30/month difference to them. It would be to me, but everyone is different. > I agree. I cannot function professionally without a net connection (and barely personally) so I will pay whatever it takes to get a reasonable link. The 5G cap that Sprint hit me with eliminates feasibility as a full-time connection, but works great as an on-demand on ramp to the Internet. HTH, jp From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 18:02:03 2009 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Mon Feb 23 18:02:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shopping Question In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450902231103h371f00b8u6489936637bab731@mail.gmail.com> References: <49A21ACA.2060305@sbcglobal.net> <49A21FFB.8070207@gmail.com> <4c0ec4450902231103h371f00b8u6489936637bab731@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A338FB.2060909@sbcglobal.net> Thanks to all. I forwarded this collection of highly qualified opinions to NV for their guidance. Andy Pickens John Pappas wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 22:03, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > >> Andrew Pickens wrote: >> >> >>> Please excuse a non-Linux question, but this is the only source of expert >>> info that I have available. >>> >>> My daughter-in-law, in central Nevada (Round Mountain), asked the >>> following. Since my wife is a phone company retiree, we get a special rate, >>> and I have no answer. >>> >>> "We received a mail advertisement yesterday from the DSL provider for this >>> area. Do you think 39.95 a month for 12 months, and a 5.95 lease fee, with >>> 99.00 install is reasonable? The rate goes up 10 dollars after the first >>> year to their basic fee of 49.95. Right now we are paying 22.95 for AT&T >>> dialup. We rarely have issues with it, but it is so slow, and you can forget >>> about receiving pictures. >>> >>> > If they are used to Dialup, any DSL speed better than 128K would be a vast > improvement, if the increased cost is acceptable. If you are looking at a > 256K up/768K down ADSL link, and there is little/no cable competition, then > the price is reasonable (albeit maybe not fair), but if you are looking at > the 512Kb up/1+M down ADSL, the price is fair. I am paying ~57 for RR turbo > (1M up 15M down), Although I am in town and in a competitive market. > > "The lease fee is for the satellite and equipment that they have to install. > >>> It is much like the Direct TV equipment that we have now. We did not buy the >>> satellite dish or the receiver, so we have to lease it. Although with Direct >>> TV, they waive the fee because we have been with them for so long." >>> >> > Not sure how this applies, but Satellite will be more expensive per KB than > nearly any other medium, although the 5G cap introduced by the wireless > carriers for data plans may change that for heavy users. Most wireless data > plans run in the 60/month range and average 256K up/512K down, depending on > signal strength and protocol. I have gotten as high as 1.5M down on my > Sprint EVDO rev A card (cut that in half for just EVDO) and just under 1M > (~900K) down on 3G via my iPhone. EDGE/RTT are better than dialup, but > noticeably slow in comparison (300-400K down). I have no experience with > Satellite, but my understanding is that latency is high (128K mile round > trip), but throughput is acceptable. Most Sat providers also have a "Fair > Use" policy (Similar to the caps that most carriers use) so be aware. > > > >> You don't say what the speed it, but that seems kinda pricey. OTOH, I >> suspect that being in the middle of Nevada is more expensive for these types >> of things. The question thy have to ask is is the increased speed worth the >> $30/month difference to them. It would be to me, but everyone is different. >> >> > > I agree. I cannot function professionally without a net connection (and > barely personally) so I will pay whatever it takes to get a reasonable > link. The 5G cap that Sprint hit me with eliminates feasibility as a > full-time connection, but works great as an on-demand on ramp to the > Internet. > > HTH, > jp > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 22:42:43 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Feb 23 22:42:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235402911.49a2c09fcfb50@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1235402911.49a2c09fcfb50@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <49A37AC3.2020906@gmail.com> toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: >> not JUST because it's the biggest tartget.. but because it's SOOOOOO >> homogeneous. It's cookie cutter.. A computer monoculture, if you will. >> >> Take this virus/target-culture model into nature. It's just like a giant >> domesticated animal farm. What happens in nature when you have a giant >> monoculture (cows, banans, etc)? One ravenous disease comes along and wipes >> them all out. So what even if you keep standing new animals back up >> (reinstalling.. new models, etc).. The same monoculture problem exists and >> viruses feed on monocultures. >> >> This is why nature has differing species, breeds, and strains. In two words.. >> biological diversity. This is also why I believe that Windows will always be >> the weaker OS "health wise" and why I believe Linux will never be as hard hit >> with viri as Windows. Linux is a chaotic, heterogeneous mix of distros, >> desktops and packages.. always changing. No virus can assume that all Linux >> desktop is running Thunderbird.. or Kmail, Mutt or Evolution. I guess a >> virus writer /could/ include vector-checks for the most common Linux mail >> clients out there.. but you still have all the distro differences, seLinux, >> iptables, filesystem differences, etc.. And that's a huge waste of energy >> when the virus-yummy monoculture of Windows+Outlook is such a more attractive >> target. Such an easier herd to own. :) >> >> Some say that there's safety in numbers... >> With regards to virus defense, this is not the case... >> But even more importantly, I say the real safety is in diversity. >> >> All for now.. nite nite. >> >> Tweeks >> > I agree with the gist (survival through diversity) of your analogy but it seems > to me that as Linux grows in popularity (outside of the geek world) some > distros will be more popular then others, within the non-geek world. Ubuntu > for instance is positioning itself as the windows replacement for the > dissatisfied M$ customer who may or may not be familiar with nix op systems. > It seems to me that your analogy would only hold up if there was a distro > adoption rate by new non-tech Linux users that is fairly evenly spread out > among many distros. That said there are only a hand-full of distro's that > actively market themselves toward this crowd and Ubuntu is currently the leader > in this category. Your analogy may protect us for now but should a particular > Linux distro become homogenous within a large segment of Linux users then I am > not so sure. > > Todd > > This is actually the point I was trying to make -- I just wasn't specific enough. Cheers; Ed From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Tue Feb 24 14:23:20 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Tue Feb 24 14:23:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <49A45738.6090806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Tweeks wrote: > >> As Linux grabs more market share on the home desktop, its only natural, >> a matter of time, before the bad guys start (if they haven't already) >> writing exploits for it >> > > I disagree to some degree. The reason that windows has been so problematic is > not JUST because it's the biggest tartget.. but because it's SOOOOOO > homogeneous. It's cookie cutter.. A computer monoculture, if you will. > > Take this virus/target-culture model into nature. It's just like a giant > domesticated animal farm. What happens in nature when you have a giant > monoculture (cows, banans, etc)? One ravenous disease comes along and wipes > them all out. So what even if you keep standing new animals back up > (reinstalling.. new models, etc).. The same monoculture problem exists and > viruses feed on monocultures. > > This is why nature has differing species, breeds, and strains. In two words.. > biological diversity. This is also why I believe that Windows will always be > the weaker OS "health wise" and why I believe Linux will never be as hard hit > with viri as Windows. Linux is a chaotic, heterogeneous mix of distros, > desktops and packages.. always changing. No virus can assume that all Linux > desktop is running Thunderbird.. or Kmail, Mutt or Evolution. I guess a > virus writer /could/ include vector-checks for the most common Linux mail > clients out there.. but you still have all the distro differences, seLinux, > iptables, filesystem differences, etc.. And that's a huge waste of energy > when the virus-yummy monoculture of Windows+Outlook is such a more attractive > target. Such an easier herd to own. :) > > Some say that there's safety in numbers... > With regards to virus defense, this is not the case... > But even more importantly, I say the real safety is in diversity. Tom, I grabbed your reply and sent it to a friend who is in the computer -service- business. I thought you'd be interested in his reply. (after I cleaned up some spelling errors... leaving the grammar as is - fair warning) > He is absolutly correct on all counts. The stupid american people are > to blame. How many home made cars or specialty equipment such as a > steering stick instead of a wheel do you see? That may be a bad > example, but the main thing here is that americans want all things to > operate the same and they don't want to learn. They will only buy big > brand names because they feel that anything else is inferior or has > very little support because they don't know what makes it tick nor > will they learn it, therefore they can't fix it. PC's only became > prominent when a manufactureres such as IBM, Compaq, or Apple started > bundling the OS with the equipment because americans in general are > too stupid to separate the two things in thier mind. Most can't even > program the clock on the VCR let alone figure out how to hook it up. > Now days people or totally confused about who to call for service. > > In the buisness world, the telephones and wiring in your office are > installed by vender1 and the internet service is vender2 and the > telephone service to the building is vender3. ATT only wants to > provide a connection to the DMARK and their work is done. This is > really confussing the general public because they are accustom to the > telephone company providing the service lines all the way to the > telephone and the telephone once belonged to the telephone company. > */Of course we "the venders" want to keep the people spoiled in this > maner because providing service to the consumer is where we make our > money./* That's from the other end of the spectrum... this, too, is why they are closing the store-front to the public, and staying with servicing their corporate clientel. Dealing with the general public the last 20 years has taken it's toll. (That, and they'll save 2/3'rds of their current rent!) -Geoff From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 15:30:12 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Feb 24 15:29:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <49A45738.6090806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <49A45738.6090806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <49A466E4.6070606@gmail.com> Geoff wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > >>> As Linux grabs more market share on the home desktop, its only natural, >>> a matter of time, before the bad guys start (if they haven't already) >>> writing exploits for it >>> >>> >> I disagree to some degree. The reason that windows has been so problematic is >> not JUST because it's the biggest tartget.. but because it's SOOOOOO >> homogeneous. It's cookie cutter.. A computer monoculture, if you will. >> >> Take this virus/target-culture model into nature. It's just like a giant >> domesticated animal farm. What happens in nature when you have a giant >> monoculture (cows, banans, etc)? One ravenous disease comes along and wipes >> them all out. So what even if you keep standing new animals back up >> (reinstalling.. new models, etc).. The same monoculture problem exists and >> viruses feed on monocultures. >> >> This is why nature has differing species, breeds, and strains. In two words.. >> biological diversity. This is also why I believe that Windows will always be >> the weaker OS "health wise" and why I believe Linux will never be as hard hit >> with viri as Windows. Linux is a chaotic, heterogeneous mix of distros, >> desktops and packages.. always changing. No virus can assume that all Linux >> desktop is running Thunderbird.. or Kmail, Mutt or Evolution. I guess a >> virus writer /could/ include vector-checks for the most common Linux mail >> clients out there.. but you still have all the distro differences, seLinux, >> iptables, filesystem differences, etc.. And that's a huge waste of energy >> when the virus-yummy monoculture of Windows+Outlook is such a more attractive >> target. Such an easier herd to own. :) >> >> Some say that there's safety in numbers... >> With regards to virus defense, this is not the case... >> But even more importantly, I say the real safety is in diversity. >> > > Tom, I grabbed your reply and sent it to a friend who is in the computer > -service- business. > > I thought you'd be interested in his reply. (after I cleaned up some > spelling errors... leaving the grammar as is - fair warning) > > >> He is absolutly correct on all counts. The stupid american people are >> to blame. How many home made cars or specialty equipment such as a >> steering stick instead of a wheel do you see? That may be a bad >> example, but the main thing here is that americans want all things to >> operate the same and they don't want to learn. They will only buy big >> brand names because they feel that anything else is inferior or has >> very little support because they don't know what makes it tick nor >> will they learn it, therefore they can't fix it. PC's only became >> prominent when a manufactureres such as IBM, Compaq, or Apple started >> bundling the OS with the equipment because americans in general are >> too stupid to separate the two things in thier mind. Most can't even >> program the clock on the VCR let alone figure out how to hook it up. >> Now days people or totally confused about who to call for service. >> >> In the buisness world, the telephones and wiring in your office are >> installed by vender1 and the internet service is vender2 and the >> telephone service to the building is vender3. ATT only wants to >> provide a connection to the DMARK and their work is done. This is >> really confussing the general public because they are accustom to the >> telephone company providing the service lines all the way to the >> telephone and the telephone once belonged to the telephone company. >> */Of course we "the venders" want to keep the people spoiled in this >> maner because providing service to the consumer is where we make our >> money./* >> > > That's from the other end of the spectrum... this, too, is why they are > closing the store-front to the public, and staying with servicing their > corporate clientel. Dealing with the general public the last 20 years > has taken it's toll. (That, and they'll save 2/3'rds of their current > rent!) > > -Geoff > Possible political rant. Fair warning... So, what do we do with a nation full of slobs who have been intentionally and systematically "dumbed-down" over the last 40 years (2-1/2 generations)? My daughters didn't get half the education that I received, and the one with the masters degree is in love with Vista. Go figure. For my student-run computer clinics, I push open source incessantly, and with much success, but, I have yet to have a client accept a Linux OS load when Winderz XP re-load can be had. Again, go figure... Cheers; Ed From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Tue Feb 24 22:30:17 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Tue Feb 24 22:30:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <49A466E4.6070606@gmail.com> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <1235014829.24932.3.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <49A45738.6090806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <49A466E4.6070606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A4C959.1050707@satx.rr.com> ed wrote: > Geoff wrote: >> Tweeks wrote: >> >>>> As Linux grabs more market share on the home desktop, its only >>>> natural, >>>> a matter of time, before the bad guys start (if they haven't already) >>>> writing exploits for it >>>> >>> I disagree to some degree. The reason that windows has been so >>> problematic is not JUST because it's the biggest tartget.. but >>> because it's SOOOOOO homogeneous. It's cookie cutter.. A computer >>> monoculture, if you will. >>> Take this virus/target-culture model into nature. It's just like a >>> giant domesticated animal farm. What happens in nature when you >>> have a giant monoculture (cows, banans, etc)? One ravenous disease >>> comes along and wipes them all out. So what even if you keep >>> standing new animals back up (reinstalling.. new models, etc).. The >>> same monoculture problem exists and viruses feed on monocultures. >>> This is why nature has differing species, breeds, and strains. In >>> two words.. biological diversity. This is also why I believe that >>> Windows will always be the weaker OS "health wise" and why I believe >>> Linux will never be as hard hit with viri as Windows. Linux is a >>> chaotic, heterogeneous mix of distros, desktops and packages.. >>> always changing. No virus can assume that all Linux desktop is >>> running Thunderbird.. or Kmail, Mutt or Evolution. I guess a virus >>> writer /could/ include vector-checks for the most common Linux mail >>> clients out there.. but you still have all the distro differences, >>> seLinux, iptables, filesystem differences, etc.. And that's a huge >>> waste of energy when the virus-yummy monoculture of Windows+Outlook >>> is such a more attractive target. Such an easier herd to own. :) >>> >>> Some say that there's safety in numbers... With regards to virus >>> defense, this is not the case... But even more importantly, I say >>> the real safety is in diversity. >>> >> >> Tom, I grabbed your reply and sent it to a friend who is in the computer >> -service- business. >> >> I thought you'd be interested in his reply. (after I cleaned up some >> spelling errors... leaving the grammar as is - fair warning) >> >> >>> He is absolutly correct on all counts. The stupid american people are >>> to blame. How many home made cars or specialty equipment such as a >>> steering stick instead of a wheel do you see? That may be a bad >>> example, but the main thing here is that americans want all things to >>> operate the same and they don't want to learn. They will only buy big >>> brand names because they feel that anything else is inferior or has >>> very little support because they don't know what makes it tick nor >>> will they learn it, therefore they can't fix it. PC's only became >>> prominent when a manufactureres such as IBM, Compaq, or Apple started >>> bundling the OS with the equipment because americans in general are >>> too stupid to separate the two things in thier mind. Most can't even >>> program the clock on the VCR let alone figure out how to hook it up. >>> Now days people or totally confused about who to call for service. >>> In the buisness world, the telephones and wiring in your office are >>> installed by vender1 and the internet service is vender2 and the >>> telephone service to the building is vender3. ATT only wants to >>> provide a connection to the DMARK and their work is done. This is >>> really confussing the general public because they are accustom to the >>> telephone company providing the service lines all the way to the >>> telephone and the telephone once belonged to the telephone company. >>> */Of course we "the venders" want to keep the people spoiled in this >>> maner because providing service to the consumer is where we make our >>> money./* >>> >> >> That's from the other end of the spectrum... this, too, is why they are >> closing the store-front to the public, and staying with servicing their >> corporate clientel. Dealing with the general public the last 20 years >> has taken it's toll. (That, and they'll save 2/3'rds of their current >> rent!) >> >> -Geoff >> > Possible political rant. Fair warning... > > So, what do we do with a nation full of slobs who have been > intentionally and systematically "dumbed-down" over the last 40 years > (2-1/2 generations)? My daughters didn't get half the education that > I received, and the one with the masters degree is in love with > Vista. Go figure. For my student-run computer clinics, I push open > source incessantly, and with much success, but, I have yet to have a > client accept a Linux OS load when Winderz XP re-load can be had. > Again, go figure... > > Cheers; > Ed Actually, the points made by Geoff's friend actually supports the argument for a common consistent software structure. It's called _Standardization_. When you have multiple suppliers of something, be it software, electrical appliances, telephone equipment, or just plain nuts and bolts, if everyone is building things to work under a common set of design guidelines (electrical plugs with 2 flat blades of a certain size, with one round ground prong separated from the other by so much distance, getting 110V of alternating current at 60 Hz, etc.) then anyone who wants to build a device that can use that standard design can do so and sell that product or service, and know that the customer will actually be able to use said product or service. Having a common structure for an OS does simplify the job for a software developer since they don't have to write code to work under every possible variant of the OS (including directory structure, configuration file locations, system settings, etc.), and the customer doesn't have to recompile the kernel just to get a particular piece of software to run. That might be something that many people on this list may be comfortable doing, but the vast majority of people in the rest of the world will NEVER be capable of doing themselves. Like it or not, most people view a PC as an appliance that they just simply want to work whenever they need it. It's like the difference between a 50 year old MG and a brand-new Toyota -- in order to drive the former, you might need to fiddle with the carburetor, choke, or ignition timing every time you want to drive the car, the latter you just get behind wheel, turn the key, and you're off to the races. Most of the time, I have to include myself in this group -- if I have work to do, I surely don't want to spend several hours troubleshooting some configuration problem, or access permissions, etc., just so I can get a particular program to run -- I usually have better things to do. Al Lesmerises From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Feb 26 17:39:56 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Feb 26 17:39:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft at it again . . . In-Reply-To: <49A723B4.2040109@comcast.net> References: <49A723B4.2040109@comcast.net> Message-ID: <49A7284C.1040705@shub-internet.org> Ian wrote: > Can someone please read the following article and disseminate it for > me? What exactly is Tom Tom being sued for? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/26/microsoft_tomtom/ They are being sued for using Linux in a GPS device. According to Microsoft, they have some patents that are infringed by doing so. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From scrandall at jw.com Thu Feb 26 17:47:00 2009 From: scrandall at jw.com (Crandall, Sean) Date: Thu Feb 26 17:47:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft at it again . . . In-Reply-To: <49A723B4.2040109@comcast.net> References: <49A723B4.2040109@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6D5672FD91E6D14D9F1424D13E727E7A0644A3FC@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Without reading the patents (or really the whole complaint in detail), it _looks_ like these are primarily patents drawn specifically to in-car computers and similar stuff. In those cases, Linux would not be anything special. It would just provide one part of a multi-part system (in other words, you may not infringe these patents just by having Linux installed on a computer). The ones that kind of gives me pause are a patent with the title "Common Name Space for Long and Short File Names" and one with the title "Method and System for File System Management Using a Flash-Erasable, Programmable, Read-only Memory." The titles don't really tell me anything about what is claimed, but those sound more like something that you could *possibly* run afoul of just by running Linux (or Linux on a flash memory). Still, I can kind of see the MS PR guy's point. This is not a case of MS "going after Open Source." This is more a case of MS going after on-board navigation, and the victim just happens to use open source for a component that just as well could have been closed source. The patent doesn't care about your license. And while it may be worrisome that the last two patents even exist (esp. if they have broad claims), I don't see this as MS throwing down the gauntlet. It's pretty common to pummel your opponent with every patent you can when you sue. I'm not saying it might not be coming, but I don't think this is the "first strike." Sean C. Crandall Registered Patent Attorney Jackson Walker L.L.P. 112 E. Pecan Suite 2400 San Antonio, Texas 78205 Phone: (210) 978.7714 Fax: (210) 242.4656 email: scrandall@jw.com > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Ian > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:20 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft at it again . . . > > Can someone please read the following article and disseminate it for > me? What exactly is Tom Tom being sued for? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/26/microsoft_tomtom/ > > Mike > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Feb 26 22:56:21 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Feb 26 22:56:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235402911.49a2c09fcfb50@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1235402911.49a2c09fcfb50@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <200902262256.21886.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 23 February 2009 09:28:31 am toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: [...] > It seems to me that your analogy would only hold up if there was a > distro adoption rate by new non-tech Linux users that is fairly evenly > spread out among many distros. That said there are only a hand-full of > distro's that actively market themselves toward this crowd and Ubuntu is > currently the leader in this category. Your analogy may protect us for now > but should a particular Linux distro become homogenous within a large > segment of Linux users then I am not so sure. Maybe to some degree (people who just run what they're given).. but the face of the matter is.. Ubuntu still has "choice". And the "Hey what's that?!" syndrome just helps with the execution of choice. Even Ubuntu comes with a plethora of mail clients. I type thing from a stock Ubuntu load that I've tweaked to run KDE+Kmail. Many of my friends run Thunderbird.. Some use Webmail. Others use Mutt. So even on a monoculture-distro world, there is still diversity at the app level... which is a good thing. (or, at least better than Windows+Outlook. Tweeks > > Todd From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Feb 26 23:07:47 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Feb 26 23:07:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <49A4C959.1050707@satx.rr.com> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <49A466E4.6070606@gmail.com> <49A4C959.1050707@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <200902262307.47285.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:30:17 pm Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Actually, the points made by Geoff's friend actually supports the > argument for a common consistent software structure. It's called > _Standardization_. When you have multiple suppliers of something, be it > software, electrical appliances, telephone equipment, or just plain nuts > and bolts, if everyone is building things to work under a common set of > design guidelines (electrical plugs with 2 flat blades of a certain > size, with one round ground prong separated from the other by so much > distance, getting 110V of alternating current at 60 Hz, etc.) then > anyone who wants to build a device that can use that standard design can > do so and sell that product or service, and know that the customer will > actually be able to use said product or service. Having a common > structure for an OS does simplify the job for a software developer since > they don't have to write code to work under every possible variant of > the OS (including directory structure, configuration file locations, > system settings, etc.), and the customer doesn't have to recompile the > kernel just to get a particular piece of software to run. Excuse me.. but you're missing the point. The OS is not where standardization is moving. Heck.. You can't even run the same version of a Windows app between versions of windows any more! The standardization that we all need IS THE WEB. Why do you think everythign is moving to Software As A Service as "Web 2.0" and all these other fancy names for "web-aps"? In the 80's and eve 90's.. apps were compiled to the platform. Apps that had to talk to a DB (oracle, access or MS-SQL) had to be custom built and compiled for target client platforms (Solaris, Windows, Apple, etc). Now.. most killer apps are on line Web-apps (google apps, MS Live, Amazon S3/E2C, Rackspace-cloud, etc). And the vendors LOVE it because they're not selling software any longer.. they're billing montly for a service... just like AT&T and the power company. But back to the subject standardization... the real name for what you're talking about is "Interoperability". MS is finally starting to get the idea of interoperability and "play ball". The previous version of Sharepoint didn't work for crap with anything but certain versions of IE. This locked them out of metrogeneous desktop environemnts (Mac, Linux, etc), as well as offices with significant groups of non IE browsers users (such as dev and IT groups). MS lost many deals in 2006-2008 because of this. Vendors who sold IE-only banking software and Fax-gateway software lost deals because they were not W3C/web-standards compliant (Firefox, Safari, khtml, etc). Now those folks (MS included) are all waving the interop flag and making their stuff work on the web.. regardless of the OS (as it should be). After all.. the web was developed as a platform agnostic media delivery system... and MS and other proprietary vendors have tried at ever ycorner to STOP ineroperability and "win" through de facto standards and what I cann "protocol leveraging"... But they have lost so much $$$ recently, that they are just now getting that clue.. and seeing that there's more profit in playing ball than owning the field. > behind wheel, turn the key, and you're off to the races. Most of the > time, I have to include myself in this group -- if I have work to do, I > surely don't want to spend several hours troubleshooting some > configuration problem, or access permissions, etc., just so I can get a > particular program to run -- I usually have better things to do. Me too.. And the fact that Turbo-Tax is now web based means that I now have "permission" from my wife to format my her XP laptop and put Ubuntu on it. She's like most other consumers believes that technology should be alike an appliance. She says, "If my toaster don't make toast.. then I don't want it!" (speaking about the various IT things I do around the house) Well.. "toast" for her is being able to check mail, surf, listen to her books on tape and have me do the taxes wit hTurbo Tax. She says if we can do all that on Linux.. then she's fine with it.. The fact that she gets two free versions of Majong and three different solitare card games is (funny enough) the winning blow for her. hehe.. So you're right.. people just want to DO STUFF. The interoperability of the web is what will save us all from OS slavery... But it's the fun, usefulness and savings that will win people to open source. Here's a presentation that I did on the "State of the Lilnux Desktop" than gets more into the business economics of F/OSS in the work place: http://xcssa.org/files/files/LINUX-DESKTOP-2008-03-22/img0.html Fun discussion.. Cheers, Tweeks > > Al Lesmerises From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Feb 26 23:39:26 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Feb 26 23:38:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <200902262256.21886.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902230009.07755.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1235402911.49a2c09fcfb50@webmail.grandecom.net> <200902262256.21886.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <1235713166.21579.3.camel@james-desktop> not trying to be a smart ass or anything, but what did you have to tweak to run KDE on ubuntu? usually, 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' is usually enough. :-) Funny thing is that I run evolution on kubuntu (still on 8.04 because I haven't warmed up to KDE4) On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 22:56 -0600, Tweeks wrote: > On Monday 23 February 2009 09:28:31 am toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: > [...] > > It seems to me that your analogy would only hold up if there was a > > distro adoption rate by new non-tech Linux users that is fairly evenly > > spread out among many distros. That said there are only a hand-full of > > distro's that actively market themselves toward this crowd and Ubuntu is > > currently the leader in this category. Your analogy may protect us for now > > but should a particular Linux distro become homogenous within a large > > segment of Linux users then I am not so sure. > > Maybe to some degree (people who just run what they're given).. but the face > of the matter is.. Ubuntu still has "choice". And the "Hey what's that?!" > syndrome just helps with the execution of choice. Even Ubuntu comes with a > plethora of mail clients. I type thing from a stock Ubuntu load that I've > tweaked to run KDE+Kmail. Many of my friends run Thunderbird.. Some use > Webmail. Others use Mutt. So even on a monoculture-distro world, there is > still diversity at the app level... which is a good thing. (or, at least > better than Windows+Outlook. > > Tweeks > > > > > > > Todd > > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Feb 26 23:52:50 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Feb 26 23:52:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Scarry stuff...How to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps In-Reply-To: <1235713166.21579.3.camel@james-desktop> References: <1235014357.24932.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> <200902262256.21886.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <1235713166.21579.3.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <200902262352.51098.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Thursday 26 February 2009 11:39:26 pm James Tiner wrote: > not trying to be a smart ass or anything, but what did you have to tweak > to run KDE on ubuntu? usually, 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' is > usually enough. :-) You would think.. But you also have to remove the "ubuntu-desktop" IIRC for everthing to switch over.. then there's various file associations.. various missing apps, etc. Tweeks From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 19:35:05 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Feb 27 19:35:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] considering upgrading, barebones, can you help? Message-ID: <7e4994a70902271735k496e0e33rb3fb128c930247ef@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm considering upgrading and checking things out. I prefer AMD processors...and want a barebones kit I think. Should I be looking at dual core prcessors, or something else, plus what type and level of memory etc please? All kit suggestions etc greatly appreciated... You guys are the best even if sometimes I forget to let you know that..cheryl From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Feb 27 19:38:27 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Fri Feb 27 19:38:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] considering upgrading, barebones, can you help? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902271735k496e0e33rb3fb128c930247ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902271735k496e0e33rb3fb128c930247ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Hi, > > I'm considering upgrading and checking things out. I prefer AMD > processors...and want a barebones kit I think. Should I be looking at > dual > core prcessors, or something else, plus what type and level of memory etc > please? All kit suggestions etc greatly appreciated... > > You guys are the best even if sometimes I forget to let you know > that..cheryl Cheryl, what system should we recommend? that depends entirely on what you want to do with it. A bit of detail here would help a lot. wordprocessing, e-mail, browsing, sorting pictures? high end computing, complex video application, gaming? need something for on the road? what's your budget? what software will you be running and what will you be doing with it? A little planning will save you a lot of money! -Borries From jtiner at satx.rr.com Fri Feb 27 23:14:05 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Fri Feb 27 23:14:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] considering upgrading, barebones, can you help? In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70902271735k496e0e33rb3fb128c930247ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1235798045.29715.3.camel@james-desktop> On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 19:38 -0600, Borries Demeler wrote: > > what system should we recommend? that depends entirely on what > you want to do with it. A bit of detail here would help a lot. > > wordprocessing, e-mail, browsing, sorting pictures? > high end computing, complex video application, gaming? > need something for on the road? > what's your budget? > what software will you be running and what will you be doing with it? > > A little planning will save you a lot of money! > > -Borries I have to second what Borries is saying. Need a little more info on what you want to do with it before a good system can be planned for your needs. That being said, since you said you prefer AMD, I just put together a machine for a friend with the new AMD Phenom II X3 and it screamed. Of course, I would have gotten the X4, but he wanted to save a few bucks so he went with the X3. I think I'll be putting together a Phenom II X4 system for myself in the near future. :) From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Feb 27 23:49:41 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Fri Feb 27 23:49:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Dell mini9" Laptop w/Ubuntu for $199 Message-ID: <200902272349.42128.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Get'em while they're hot! Looks like they're a month backordered right now.. http://tinyurl.com/atucbg Includes: Ubuntu Linux version 8.04.1 Obsidian Black 1Yr Ltd Warranty and Mail-In Service 512MB DDR2 at 533MHz (customizable up to 2GB) 4GB Solid State Drive (up to like 64GB IIRC.. or hard drive) No Camera Option Intel? Atom Processor? N270 (1.6GHz/533Mhz FSB/512K cache) Glossy 8.9 inch LED display (1024X600) Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 950 Wireless 802.11g Mini Card 32WHr Battery (4 cell) Base LCD Assembly Base LCD Assembly in Black No Installation $199 Tweeks From e2eiod at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 00:03:46 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Sat Feb 28 00:03:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft at it again . . . In-Reply-To: <49A723B4.2040109@comcast.net> References: <49A723B4.2040109@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Ian wrote: > Can someone please read the following article and disseminate it for > me? ?What exactly is Tom Tom being sued for? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/26/microsoft_tomtom/ > > Mike > -- Nothing. With sales and the stock price dropping and Bill "The Wonder Boy" Gates gone, Steve "Muscle Boy" Ballmer is testing the water for FUD through intimidation. Some people never change. The courts will not be as kind to Microsoft today as they were in the last big test. From jaret at aberlorn.com Sat Feb 28 00:29:32 2009 From: jaret at aberlorn.com (jaret) Date: Sat Feb 28 00:29:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] considering upgrading, barebones, can you help? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902271735k496e0e33rb3fb128c930247ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902271735k496e0e33rb3fb128c930247ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A8D9CC.9010800@aberlorn.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Hi, > > I'm considering upgrading and checking things out. I prefer AMD > processors...and want a barebones kit I think. Should I be looking at dual > core prcessors, or something else, plus what type and level of memory etc > please? All kit suggestions etc greatly appreciated... > > You guys are the best even if sometimes I forget to let you know > that..cheryl > Depends what you want it for. Last month I built a couple Asus Rackmounts. Each had an Asus Rack, Xeon Kensingtons (3220), 4 G RAM, 2 hot swappable ide 160G. Rack came w/ motherboard, fans, 2 nics and dvd/cdrom. The server starts like a jet engine but then quiets down. I'm using the servers to host virtual machines, currently kvm, for a small network. One rack cost $550. ~Jaret From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 14:08:10 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:08:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... Message-ID: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> I only do emails. surfing (research), some text docs, unloading cam and editing pics streaming cable and other TV shows... No gaming, or high powered stuff like most of you do. I want a good reliable MB, video card, sound card with dolby and enough memory and processor speed to do it all.. My current system is old but good, just too slow for me and the streaming is being affected.. I thought I might enjoy a "project"...I have good quality stuff on my PC, just time to update and upgrade...btw I love my own ATX case too! I have way more than enough room to work in it with my hands without them getting all chewed up by the metal. I run it with a side off to help keep it cooler inside...thank you all very much...I'm just a simple computer person and run Hardy...cheryl From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Feb 28 14:20:44 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:20:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902282020.n1SKKiZJ014489@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > I only do emails. surfing (research), some text docs, unloading cam and > editing pics streaming cable and other TV shows... > > No gaming, or high powered stuff like most of you do. I want a good > reliable MB, video card, sound card with dolby and enough memory and > processor speed to do it all.. > > My current system is old but good, just too slow for me and the streaming is > being affected.. I thought I might enjoy a "project"...I have good quality > stuff on my PC, just time to update and upgrade...btw I love my own ATX case > too! I have way more than enough room to work in it with my hands without > them getting all chewed up by the metal. I run it with a side off to help > keep it cooler inside...thank you all very much...I'm just a simple computer > person and run Hardy...cheryl In that case I would look for a powersaving intel core duo solution perhaps, 2-3 GB RAM. That should be more than sufficient. -b. From mariocompeanc at yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 14:38:21 2009 From: mariocompeanc at yahoo.com (Mario Compean) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:38:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <257006.23667.qm@web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cheryl, I've found good deals on kits at Tiger Direct recently.? Check out the link below; it may be what you're looking for given your needs. The price is quite reasonable at $150, but you'll need to hear from others who have experience with Biostar MOBO since I don't. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4471587&sku=B69-0017 Mario? ? --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Cheryl Holmes wrote: From: Cheryl Holmes Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... To: satlug@satlug.org Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 12:08 PM I only do emails. surfing (research), some text docs, unloading cam and editing pics streaming cable and other TV shows... No gaming, or high powered stuff like most of you do. I want a good reliable MB, video card, sound card with dolby and enough memory and processor speed to do it all.. My current system is old but good, just too slow for me and the streaming is being affected.. I thought I might enjoy a "project"...I have good quality stuff on my PC, just time to update and upgrade...btw I love my own ATX case too! I have way more than enough room to work in it with my hands without them getting all chewed up by the metal. I run it with a side off to help keep it cooler inside...thank you all very much...I'm just a simple computer person and run Hardy...cheryl -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From justin.burdette at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 14:45:13 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:45:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <257006.23667.qm@web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> <257006.23667.qm@web36101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a Biostar board in my main system with an Athlon64x2 5600+. The onboard nVidia 7025 works great. Only problem I had was that the first board I ordered was DOA, but Newegg took care of it. The board is the TF7025...but you may want to look for something with the AM2/AM2+ socket so it's quad-core compatible. I'm about to go quad-core and this box will become my M$ system. My big debate now is if it will be worth it to go with an x64 installation of Linux. Justin On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mario Compean wrote: > > Cheryl, > > I've found good deals on kits at Tiger Direct recently.? Check out the link below; it may be what you're looking for given your needs. The price is quite reasonable at $150, but you'll need to hear from others who have experience with Biostar MOBO since I don't. > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4471587&sku=B69-0017 > > Mario > > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > From: Cheryl Holmes > Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 12:08 PM > > I only do emails. surfing (research), some text docs, unloading cam and > editing pics streaming cable and other TV shows... > > No gaming, or high powered stuff like most of you do. ?I want a good > reliable MB, video card, sound card with dolby and enough memory and > processor speed to do it all.. > > My current system is old but good, just too slow for me and the streaming is > being affected.. ?I thought I might enjoy a "project"...I have good > quality > stuff on my PC, just time to update and upgrade...btw I love my own ATX case > too! ?I have way more than enough room to work in it with my hands without > them getting all chewed up by the metal. ?I run it with a side off to help > keep it cooler inside...thank you all very much...I'm just a simple > computer > person and run Hardy...cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Get help from Justin Burdette! From hc at lookcee.com Sat Feb 28 14:50:20 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sat Feb 28 14:50:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A9A38C.7010309@lookcee.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I only do emails. surfing (research), some text docs, unloading cam and > editing pics streaming cable and other TV shows... > > No gaming, or high powered stuff like most of you do. I want a good > reliable MB, video card, sound card with dolby and enough memory and > processor speed to do it all.. > > My current system is old but good, just too slow for me and the streaming is > being affected.. I thought I might enjoy a "project"...I have good quality > stuff on my PC, just time to update and upgrade...btw I love my own ATX case > too! I have way more than enough room to work in it with my hands without > them getting all chewed up by the metal. I run it with a side off to help > keep it cooler inside...thank you all very much...I'm just a simple computer > person and run Hardy...cheryl > 2009-02-28 14:43:04 Hi Cheryl, Since neither of us sees very good and since I have been assembling my own puters for 15years I may be able to steer you and save you from some pitfalls that lots of folks ignore and take for granted that you know them (An example is seating of some CPUs especially AMD requires heat paste to be applied to the underside of the CPU and not knowing that I burned up a $60 chip) it would be better if you EMed me directly since it will be easier to have an interactive conversation. If you want to give it a try EM me straight off list and give me the *model #/name of your current rig* so I can look up to see what you have now and what will be the simplest/cheapest way to go. hc@lookcee.com From satlug at net153.net Sat Feb 28 19:16:56 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sat Feb 28 19:16:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Board for embedded linux Message-ID: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> I have a project to build a small box to act as a transparent ethernet bridge to monitor activity and log data. So I will need a board with 2 ethernet controllers. I could probably get by on less than a 300mhz cpu, 128mb ram and at least 128mb of flash storage. I haven't decided on the OS yet. I have spent all day looking for a board like this. I am kind of new to the embedded scene so trying to decipher the data on websites that offer system on chip boards like http://www.amcc.com is confusing. Seems like the boards that they sell directly are only development/eval boards? Or do they not sell boards and only sell chips? I am trying to stay below $100. The only thing I have found is the ALIX stuff. This will be fine http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-2B0-Board-2-LAN-2-MINI-PCI_LX700_2?sc=8&category=19 but the price is higher than I wanted. It has the pci ports that I don't need and the amd cpu is pricy (vs arm9,ppc ect) so it seems like there should be something out there that is cheaper. Is what I am asking for not come pre fabbed and have to be custom manufactured? I will probably have to make several of these so having a ready made cheap enclosure is also a plus. Anyone know of anything or I am stuck with ALIX? Thanks, Sam From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Feb 28 19:59:12 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Feb 28 19:57:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Board for embedded linux In-Reply-To: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> References: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> Message-ID: <49A9EBF0.1050009@suddenlink.net> Samuel Leon wrote: > I have a project to build a small box to act as a transparent ethernet > bridge to monitor activity and log data. So I will need a board with 2 > ethernet controllers. I could probably get by on less than a 300mhz > cpu, 128mb ram and at least 128mb of flash storage. I haven't decided > on the OS yet. I have spent all day looking for a board like this. I > am kind of new to the embedded scene so trying to decipher the data on > websites that offer system on chip boards like http://www.amcc.com is > confusing. Seems like the boards that they sell directly are only > development/eval boards? Or do they not sell boards and only sell chips? > > I am trying to stay below $100. The only thing I have found is the ALIX > stuff. This will be fine > http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-2B0-Board-2-LAN-2-MINI-PCI_LX700_2?sc=8&category=19 > but the price is higher than I wanted. It has the pci ports that I > don't need and the amd cpu is pricy (vs arm9,ppc ect) so it seems like > there should be something out there that is cheaper. Is what I am > asking for not come pre fabbed and have to be custom manufactured? > I will probably have to make several of these so having a ready made > cheap enclosure is also a plus. Anyone know of anything or I am stuck > with ALIX? > > Thanks, > Sam > Have you tried checking what is listed on http://www.linuxdevices.com/ ? From satlug at net153.net Sat Feb 28 20:37:08 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sat Feb 28 20:37:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Board for embedded linux In-Reply-To: <49A9EBF0.1050009@suddenlink.net> References: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> <49A9EBF0.1050009@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <49A9F4D4.7040808@net153.net> Dennis Myhand wrote: > Samuel Leon wrote: >> I have a project to build a small box to act as a transparent ethernet >> bridge to monitor activity and log data. So I will need a board with >> 2 ethernet controllers. I could probably get by on less than a 300mhz >> cpu, 128mb ram and at least 128mb of flash storage. I haven't decided >> on the OS yet. I have spent all day looking for a board like this. I >> am kind of new to the embedded scene so trying to decipher the data on >> websites that offer system on chip boards like http://www.amcc.com is >> confusing. Seems like the boards that they sell directly are only >> development/eval boards? Or do they not sell boards and only sell chips? >> >> I am trying to stay below $100. The only thing I have found is the >> ALIX stuff. This will be fine >> http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-2B0-Board-2-LAN-2-MINI-PCI_LX700_2?sc=8&category=19 >> but the price is higher than I wanted. It has the pci ports that I >> don't need and the amd cpu is pricy (vs arm9,ppc ect) so it seems like >> there should be something out there that is cheaper. Is what I am >> asking for not come pre fabbed and have to be custom manufactured? >> I will probably have to make several of these so having a ready made >> cheap enclosure is also a plus. Anyone know of anything or I am stuck >> with ALIX? >> >> Thanks, >> Sam >> > > Have you tried checking what is listed on http://www.linuxdevices.com/ ? Yea I was on there several times today. I have been reading stuff since early this morning. I am kind of burned out now. I think my main issue was that I was confused with all the new terms "system on chip" "module on chip" "single board computer" ect. I think I know the difference now, but I still haven't found anything. The need for 2 network controllers really seems to thin everything out. Sam From satlugacct at jchampion.com Sat Feb 28 23:26:42 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Sat Feb 28 23:26:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] I'm sorry everyone... In-Reply-To: <49A9A38C.7010309@lookcee.com> References: <7e4994a70902281208s1d67e085m47f9973d3ed86538@mail.gmail.com> <49A9A38C.7010309@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1cb556d10902282126p466e80a5ta8711ea7e9a04660@mail.gmail.com> See here's the way I look at it...yes you're building a box for low powered processes however...You should look about three years ahead and ask yourself will the box you build today be satisfactory three years from now. You can buy a very nice Asus Mobo/AMD Cpu and ram for under $200. If you can get by with a 500 GB hd, and use the video on the mobo, you will get out for around $275. I have built a ton of these same types of rigs and the costs have dropped so much, that it's actually quite compelling to building your own box. In my mind, the absolute hardest part is connecting the power, reset, hd lights, and such from the case to the mobo. That's the hard part. Remember...if you are not using a retail cpu, if you are using an OEM, remember to use a slight amount of the thermal grease. Your cpu is not a baked potato. Please do not use a dollop on there. Ha! Hope that helps.... john From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Feb 28 23:59:00 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Feb 28 23:59:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Board for embedded linux In-Reply-To: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> References: <49A9E208.4060008@net153.net> Message-ID: <49AA2424.90200@shub-internet.org> on 2/28/09 7:16 PM, Samuel Leon said: > I am trying to stay below $100. The only thing I have found is the ALIX > stuff. The price is higher than you want to pay, but I still really like the Soekris net4501s (see and ), and the corresponding WRAP (see and ) units. However, I just discovered that the WRAP boards are no longer being made, and they suggest the ALIX boards that you've already found (for the benefit of others, that's at ). The net4501 is powerful enough to handle about 50Mbps as a router/firewall, and it comes with three 10/100 Mbit ethernet ports. They have other models with PC card slots (intended to be used as wireless access points, in addition to the router/firewall function), more CPU power, etc.... The net4801 can do full wire-speed 100Mbps router/firewall packet filtering. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks