From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Aug 1 00:52:02 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat Aug 1 00:52:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Band Names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908010052.02588.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 29 July 2009 08:20:18 am Matt Graham wrote: > Ok, I know this is way off topic but I had to share. A while back while > troubleshooting our StoreTrends SAN appliance, we encountered and error > "Kernel Panic". It became the catch phrase around our shop for weeks. > Also, backup failure frequently blame their subsequent failure on > "Catastrophic Failure". That just sounds bad. So last night while I was > lying around restless, it came to me... > > Kernel Panic and the Catastrophic Failures > > What a cool Band Name!!!! I still prefer "Guru Meditaion".. :) Tweeks From nathan at gvtc.com Sat Aug 1 07:06:30 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Sat Aug 1 07:06:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Off topic: 4 track audio tapes Message-ID: <20090801050630.CD98660E@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Story, Are they reel to reel? I have a TEAC that I still use. Nathan --- storey@clamp.ws wrote: From: Storey Clamp To: SATLUG@satlug.org Cc: Subject: [SATLUG] Off topic: 4 track audio tapes Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:08:26 -0500 I have a collection of 4 track tapes from the 1960's which I no longer wish to store, but hate to throw out, so if there are any of you out there that enjoy the "Good Ole Days", you are welcome to have them. Storey Clamp -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 02:39:06 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Sun Aug 2 02:39:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Having connection issues with a crossover cable In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450907212051i2df35fd6qb83a1d06a4aeb302@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450907212051i2df35fd6qb83a1d06a4aeb302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:51 PM, John Pappas wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 00:59, Christopher Lemire < > christopher.lemire@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i need help with a crossover connection. i've setup static ip >> addresses on both ends, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1, both in the >> same netmask, lights on ethernet cards both show connectivity, >> iptables has no rules enabled. What could be the issue here? > > > Is this an actual ethernet crossover cable (Rusty on the colors so LMGTFY)? > An incorrectly wired crossover will show lights, but no actual layer 2 comms > go... > > >> One ip is set to 192.168.0.1 and the other, 192.168.0.2 and both are >> in netmask 255.255.255.0. >> > > I am not sure if the `arp` command is installed by default on your > system/ubuntu, but on my system it shows all the systems that have > broadcasted an arp, and AFAIK, arps are not blocked by any firewalls (as > they almost always work on layer 3, rather than Layer 2 where the MAC > address resides). ?I would check that. ?Also check `arping`. ?Since arps are > usually not firewalled, this "ping" should overcome any firewall issues. ?DO > not think that SELinux works at L2 either, so that should verify raw > connectivity. > > >> No response from ping on ether end. Ifconfig shows the eth0 is up with >> static set ips. >> > > Local box pings work? You could use tcpdump/wireshark to check for activity > on the wire as well... > > >> -- >> Christopher Lemire >> Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > I can't remember what I did to make it work. I think i disabled NetworkManager. But it is working, and I have NetworkManager running, works better with this long range wifi than wicd in my experience, so I really can't remember what the trick to making it work was. -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 From misteratomic at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 12:10:31 2009 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Sun Aug 2 12:10:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternate Meeting Location for August Meeting? Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60908021010v51965390v90913f8e3c48566c@mail.gmail.com> Previously mentioned on the list some one indicated the possibility of an alternate meeting location due to construction at SAC. Any news on this? I'd like to start going to meetings but find it difficult to attend at SAC because I'm unsure of the parking arrangements for non-staff/students. I attended once by taking the bus but it was a little bit too adventurous on the ride home. Since the routes have changed, it's even less of an option for me. Thanks for any updates. Marc From rodcis87 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 12:27:34 2009 From: rodcis87 at gmail.com (Rod G) Date: Sun Aug 2 12:27:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternate Meeting Location for August Meeting? In-Reply-To: <8d7b96d60908021026j2daff24bm6412d563f843e099@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60908021010v51965390v90913f8e3c48566c@mail.gmail.com> <8d7b96d60908021026j2daff24bm6412d563f843e099@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d7b96d60908021027o55e16305r207151a101cdf68d@mail.gmail.com> I am wanting to attend for the 1st time too...can someone please tell me the location...time...and date. Thanks On Aug 2, 2009 12:13 PM, "Marc Ripley" wrote: Previously mentioned on the list some one indicated the possibility of an alternate meeting location due to construction at SAC. Any news on this? I'd like to start going to meetings but find it difficult to attend at SAC because I'm unsure of the parking arrangements for non-staff/students. I attended once by taking the bus but it was a little bit too adventurous on the ride home. Since the routes have changed, it's even less of an option for me. Thanks for any updates. Marc -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Sun Aug 2 12:50:53 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Sun Aug 2 12:50:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Ugh, nervous lol Message-ID: <20090802175053.C9CE3478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> haha no I understand that, I was just nervous because with everything else it's been very quick. I did talk to them though and it sounds like I *might* have some competition. ----- Original Message ----- From: "scs@worldlinkisp.com" To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: RE: Re: [SATLUG] Ugh, nervous lol Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:58:06 -0400 > ------- Original Message ------- > I haven't been able to reach'm, I figure he *could* just be away or something, he's the one I've been waiting on. ------------------------------------------------------- Sounds like you're unfamiliar with the inner workings of large Corporations. Your recruiter has to consult with his boss, and then Human Resources has to look at everything before an offer is presented...If and when they're ready, they will contact you, bugging them can have a negative effect. Putting all your eggs in one basket (if this is the case) isn't a good plan, unless you're employed and looking for something better. Patince is a virtue. Lou -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! at Freecreditreport.com From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 13:22:12 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Aug 2 13:22:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Disney's A Christmas Carol Train Tour Message-ID: This should appeal to any number of folks on the list, so I'll risk posting this crass commercial message with the excuse that it's free to see this event. I apologize if it's been advertised everywhere, I only saw it in another online forum. Disney has taken the behind-the-scenes look at the making of "Disney's Christmas Carol" (in theatres Nov. 6), built it into a train, and taken it on tour. The train will be in San Antonio on August 14-16 down at Sunset Station. "A Once-in-a-lifetime Attraction and it's all for FREE!" The movie has a good director and cast. On the other hand it's Jim Carrey in 3D. http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/christmascaroltraintour/ Anyway, the technology is sponsored by HP there's probably some Linux in there somewhere. --Don -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 17:59:00 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Sun Aug 2 17:59:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge Message-ID: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A donated Compaq Presario 2200 is presenting a hardware challenge.? It has a 1.6GB Seagate hard drive, 48MB of RAM, one CD-ROM drive, one 3 1/2" drive, no expansion slots, no USB ports, and only one IDE cable connector on the mother board.? It's currently running Windows 2000 quite nicely, which would probably delight one of our refugee families.? The first problem is that there's less than a GB of free space left on the hard drive and there's no kind of office suite loaded.? Even Open Office wouldn't have enough space. ?The second problem is that they like Windows or at least a close approximation of it, so one of the smaller Linux versions like Puppy or DSL wouldn't appeal to them.? (Besides, I tried loading them and neither would function even as a live CD, let alone an installed version.)? I'd like to put in a larger hard drive and?to clone the current drive, since it's working well in spite of the limited RAM.? Hence the challenge - to clone you need IDE or USB feeds to the source and target drives, plus a feed to the CD-ROM.? With only one mother board connection for an IDE cable, I'm short one connection for hard drives and the CD-ROM.? Suggestions? Art From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun Aug 2 18:39:51 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Aug 2 18:39:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7623C7.5020209@suddenlink.net> Arthur Hall wrote: > A donated Compaq Presario 2200 is presenting a hardware challenge. It has a 1.6GB Seagate hard drive, 48MB of RAM, one CD-ROM drive, one 3 1/2" drive, no expansion slots, no USB ports, and only one IDE cable connector on the mother board. It's currently running Windows 2000 quite nicely, which would probably delight one of our refugee families. The first problem is that there's less than a GB of free space left on the hard drive and there's no kind of office suite loaded. Even Open Office wouldn't have enough space. The second problem is that they like Windows or at least a close approximation of it, so one of the smaller Linux versions like Puppy or DSL wouldn't appeal to them. (Besides, I tried loading them and neither would function even as a live CD, let alone an installed version.) I'd like to put in a larger hard drive and to clone the current drive, since it's working well in spite of the limited RAM. Hence the challenge - to > clone you need IDE or USB feeds to the source and target drives, plus a feed to the CD-ROM. With only one mother board connection for an IDE cable, I'm short one connection for hard drives and the CD-ROM. Suggestions? > Art > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.41/2277 - Release Date: 08/02/09 05:56:00 > Ghost can clone a hard drive from the floppy drive. In other words, connect both hard drives (cloner and clonee) to the ide cable, slip in the floppy and clone away. Works great if you have ghost. From hc at lookcee.com Sun Aug 2 20:54:57 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Aug 2 20:55:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A764371.7080707@lookcee.com> Arthur Hall wrote: > A donated Compaq Presario 2200 is presenting a hardware challenge. It has a 1.6GB Seagate hard drive, 48MB of RAM, one CD-ROM drive, one 3 1/2" drive, no expansion slots, no USB ports, and only one IDE cable connector on the mother board. It's currently running Windows 2000 quite nicely, which would probably delight one of our refugee families. The first problem is that there's less than a GB of free space left on the hard drive and there's no kind of office suite loaded. Even Open Office wouldn't have enough space. The second problem is that they like Windows or at least a close approximation of it, so one of the smaller Linux versions like Puppy or DSL wouldn't appeal to them. (Besides, I tried loading them and neither would function even as a live CD, let alone an installed version.) I'd like to put in a larger hard drive and to clone the current drive, since it's working well in spite of the limited RAM. Hence the challenge - to > clone you need IDE or USB feeds to the source and target drives, plus a feed to the CD-ROM. With only one mother board connection for an IDE cable, I'm short one connection for hard drives and the CD-ROM. Suggestions? > Art > Art this program runs under Win-2000 and the personal edition is free here is the spec page: http://www.rsj.de/stage/en/hdimg/details.asp Perhaps this will work for you. herb From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 2 22:02:26 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Aug 2 22:02:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A765342.6010802@satx.rr.com> Arthur Hall wrote: > A donated Compaq Presario 2200 is presenting a hardware challenge. It has a 1.6GB Seagate hard drive, 48MB of RAM, one CD-ROM drive, one 3 1/2" drive, no expansion slots, no USB ports, and only one IDE cable connector on the mother board. It's currently running Windows 2000 quite nicely, which would probably delight one of our refugee families. The first problem is that there's less than a GB of free space left on the hard drive and there's no kind of office suite loaded. Even Open Office wouldn't have enough space. The second problem is that they like Windows or at least a close approximation of it, so one of the smaller Linux versions like Puppy or DSL wouldn't appeal to them. (Besides, I tried loading them and neither would function even as a live CD, let alone an installed version.) I'd like to put in a larger hard drive and to clone the current drive, since it's working well in spite of the limited RAM. Hence the challenge - to > clone you need IDE or USB feeds to the source and target drives, plus a feed to the CD-ROM. With only one mother board connection for an IDE cable, I'm short one connection for hard drives and the CD-ROM. Suggestions? > Art > I have a system with multiple IDE connections that I can use to clone that drive if you would like. Just let me know off-line. Al Lesmerises From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 2 22:31:02 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Sun Aug 2 22:30:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <4A765342.6010802@satx.rr.com> References: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A765342.6010802@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A7659F6.1050601@satx.rr.com> [ Resending since it didn't seem to go through the first time ... ] Arthur Hall wrote: > A donated Compaq Presario 2200 is presenting a hardware challenge. It > has a 1.6GB Seagate hard drive, 48MB of RAM, one CD-ROM drive, one 3 > 1/2" drive, no expansion slots, no USB ports, and only one IDE cable > connector on the mother board. It's currently running Windows 2000 > quite nicely, which would probably delight one of our refugee > families. The first problem is that there's less than a GB of free > space left on the hard drive and there's no kind of office suite > loaded. Even Open Office wouldn't have enough space. The second > problem is that they like Windows or at least a close approximation of > it, so one of the smaller Linux versions like Puppy or DSL wouldn't > appeal to them. (Besides, I tried loading them and neither would > function even as a live CD, let alone an installed version.) I'd like > to put in a larger hard drive and to clone the current drive, since > it's working well in spite of the limited RAM. Hence the challenge - to > clone you need IDE or USB feeds to the source and target drives, plus > a feed to the CD-ROM. With only one mother board connection for an > IDE cable, I'm short one connection for hard drives and the CD-ROM. > Suggestions? > Art I have a system with multiple IDE connections that I can use to clone that drive if you would like. Just let me know off-line. Al Lesmerises From justin.burdette at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 22:35:06 2009 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Sun Aug 2 22:35:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <4A764371.7080707@lookcee.com> References: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A764371.7080707@lookcee.com> Message-ID: I've got a few 6.4GB drives if you need one. I ended up with a box full of older HDs, FDDs, CD, and ZIP drives a while back. Contact me off-list if you want anything from it. Justin On 8/2/09, Herb Cee wrote: > Arthur Hall wrote: >> A donated Compaq Presario 2200 is presenting a hardware challenge. It has >> a 1.6GB Seagate hard drive, 48MB of RAM, one CD-ROM drive, one 3 1/2" >> drive, no expansion slots, no USB ports, and only one IDE cable connector >> on the mother board. It's currently running Windows 2000 quite nicely, >> which would probably delight one of our refugee families. The first >> problem is that there's less than a GB of free space left on the hard >> drive and there's no kind of office suite loaded. Even Open Office >> wouldn't have enough space. The second problem is that they like Windows >> or at least a close approximation of it, so one of the smaller Linux >> versions like Puppy or DSL wouldn't appeal to them. (Besides, I tried >> loading them and neither would function even as a live CD, let alone an >> installed version.) I'd like to put in a larger hard drive and to clone >> the current drive, since it's working well in spite of the limited RAM. >> Hence the challenge - to >> clone you need IDE or USB feeds to the source and target drives, plus a >> feed to the CD-ROM. With only one mother board connection for an IDE >> cable, I'm short one connection for hard drives and the CD-ROM. >> Suggestions? >> Art >> > Art this program runs under Win-2000 and the personal edition is free > here is the spec page: > > http://www.rsj.de/stage/en/hdimg/details.asp > > Perhaps this will work for you. > herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Computer Services by Justin 24/7 PC Support (210) 646-HELP From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 22:59:27 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Aug 2 22:59:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... Message-ID: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... In case anyone is interested...cheryl http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From mkr777 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 23:26:25 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Sun Aug 2 23:26:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have been using it last two weeks and the line quality was excellent. Something to do with the tel exchange? MKR On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > In case anyone is interested...cheryl > > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > > > -- > When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the > unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little > angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; > Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From storey at clamp.ws Mon Aug 3 08:02:32 2009 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Mon Aug 3 08:02:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Disney's A Christmas Carol Train Tour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A76DFE8.7000006@clamp.ws> Don Wright wrote: > This should appeal to any number of folks on the list, so I'll risk > posting this crass commercial message with the excuse that it's free to > see this event. I apologize if it's been advertised everywhere, I only > saw it in another online forum. > > Disney has taken the behind-the-scenes look at the making of "Disney's > Christmas Carol" (in theatres Nov. 6), built it into a train, and taken > it on tour. The train will be in San Antonio on August 14-16 down at > Sunset Station. "A Once-in-a-lifetime Attraction and it's all for FREE!" > > The movie has a good director and cast. On the other hand it's Jim > Carrey in 3D. > > http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/christmascaroltraintour/ > > Anyway, the technology is sponsored by HP there's probably some Linux in > there somewhere. --Don > > If Walt were still alive, the train would be powered by a historic Steam Locomotive. Storey From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 09:41:30 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Aug 3 09:41:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Disney's A Christmas Carol Train Tour In-Reply-To: <4A76DFE8.7000006@clamp.ws> References: <4A76DFE8.7000006@clamp.ws> Message-ID: <200908030941.30358.jdchoate@gmail.com> > > > If Walt were still alive, the train would be powered by a historic Steam > Locomotive. > > Storey > > So true. And if Col. Sanders were still alive, there would be no such thing as Kentucky Grilled Chicken and KFC never would have been abbreviated. From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Aug 3 10:16:06 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Aug 3 10:16:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A76FF36.2070203@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cheryl Holmes wrote: > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > In case anyone is interested...cheryl > > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > If you get a gizmo5 acct, you can do free VOIP to POTS magic. Hook up gizmo5 to a SIP phone, either soft or hard, and then you can use google voice to instantiate calls. http://nerdvittles.com/?p=605 That's an article about merging google voice and asterisk, so you could theoretically dial *44 (or whatever you set up in asterisk) to dial out from your home phone. I need to get myself a JTAG connector and hack a couple old vonage sip phones I've got. Then I can have a "home phone" :) David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKdv82AAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob3rMMAJgk59tvg09WhlMcnVJ0r2MA y2TbA7U5F81aGI0SYF1FnHj8LDlz3llNXE/acK9iyEngc3oXAhw6T6u8PiboE7Dn vj3Pt2vxN9MkOsriCepxKzL3jkZVq6aTpxhFPUOmjKh32L8GepziOJLuaby2NrUr KF/AlvN0QG1tiCJmvLB2ygQ4z5UAJw4t+Y/F8AlwfDprnuLIb4SXECoxCNu/WEYT bP3MLiVb+VlRpzjc7gwrhgBtmWAc9vC6+nytXUlYGTatZPwRmVCFWhxwE7n4A6f8 vDJa+cZfmdn7FNsO395vlvFiU0AiEHcrsLHONvLb3o8M0kPaOVLpUW3BkTRvFXnp N8ZU4QfYVBCyd4acxurofpQpRjmzF3KJL7funi+B490q26gblFBxADd09im9hqUp y2uDgQI21GWsdZxs5iYBOJbJ9r1csqb6zf+VnV9md7otN6MAXtcqFf2uZSHZWB8n DET00eo4rsPKjSsjxt3d7/Q5EAPLKcDW+ixQ0f5SDA== =Azkt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dvprogs at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 11:09:53 2009 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Mon Aug 3 11:09:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Disney and HP collaboration - backup, why take chances and why not open-source program ? Message-ID: <7f9598380908030909g2276b7edy5e32a5853ab059cd@mail.gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:22:12 -0500 From: Don Wright < > satlug@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Disney's A Christmas Carol Train Tour ... in [SA] on > Aug 14-16 at Sunset Station... "all for FREE!" > http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/christmascaroltraintour/ > Anyway, the technology is sponsored by HP there's probably some Linux in > there somewhere. --Don >From June 18, 2002 HP Drives Next-generation Animation on Linux with Walt Disney Feature Animation http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2002/020618c.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN read the fine print at the bottom. Oct. 9, 2003 HP and Disney Launch 10-year Strategic Alliance http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/031009b.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN "...provides Walt Disney Feature Animation with HP's Linux-based workstations and servers as components in its next-generation digital animation production pipeline..." More fine print Interesting history of the two companies working together... undated one page pdf... http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/pdf/msg/corp/disney.pdf?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN html link otherwise... http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/msg/corp/htmldisney.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN "... In 1938, Disney purchased eight oscillators from HP founders Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard for use in the sound design of Fantasia..." virtual museum info http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/museum/earlyinstruments/0008/index.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:59:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Arthur Hall > Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge > To: San Antonio Linux Users Group > A donated Compaq Presario 2200 is presenting a hardware challenge. It has > a 1.6GB Seagate hard drive, 48MB of RAM, one CD-ROM drive, one 3 1/2" drive, > no expansion slots, no USB ports, and only one IDE cable connector on the > mother board. It's currently running Windows 2000 quite nicely, which would > probably delight one of our refugee families. The first problem is that > there's less than a GB of free space left on the hard drive and there's no > kind of office suite loaded. Even Open Office wouldn't have enough space. > The second problem is that they like Windows or at least a close > approximation of it, so one of the smaller Linux versions like Puppy or DSL > wouldn't appeal to them. (Besides, I tried loading them and neither would > function even as a live CD, let alone an installed version.) I'd like to > put in a larger hard drive and to clone the current drive, since it's > working well in spite of the limited RAM. Hence the challenge - to > clone you need IDE or USB feeds to the source and target drives, plus a > feed to the CD-ROM. With only one mother board connection for an IDE cable, > I'm short one connection for hard drives and the CD-ROM. Suggestions? > Art > check this out... http://www.partimage.org/Screenshots Partimage is available in this distro... http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page Daniel From j at jvpappas.net Mon Aug 3 15:55:13 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:55:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <501833.16380.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450908031355kd098b9k9351fcc9e1d7a802@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 17:59, Arthur Hall wrote: > A donated Compaq Presario 2200 is presenting a hardware challenge. It has > a 1.6GB Seagate hard drive, 48MB of RAM, one CD-ROM drive, one 3 1/2" drive, > no expansion slots, no USB ports, and only one IDE cable connector on the > mother board. Wow. Pretty lean. > It's currently running Windows 2000 quite nicely, which would probably > delight one of our refugee families. The first problem is that there's less > than a GB of free space left on the hard drive and there's no kind of office > suite loaded. Even Open Office wouldn't have enough space. The second > problem is that they like Windows or at least a close approximation of it, > so one of the smaller Linux versions like Puppy or DSL wouldn't appeal to > them. OOo should not require more than 500Mb (My OOo3 Programs dir is 357Mb on Vista64), but a larger HDD would be good. > (Besides, I tried loading them and neither would function even as a live > CD, let alone an installed version.) I'd like to put in a larger hard drive > and to clone the current drive, since it's working well in spite of the > limited RAM. Hence the challenge - to > clone you need IDE or USB feeds to the source and target drives, plus a > feed to the CD-ROM. With only one mother board connection for an IDE cable, > I'm short one connection for hard drives and the CD-ROM. Suggestions? CloneZIlla/GPartED LiveCDs will do windows and is free. The hard way would be to create the Win2000 partition and a second partition on the target HDD. Install linux of choice on TargetHDD's second partition. remove CD, replace with PATA HDD as slave, boot linux from Target HDD (assume master) sda2. use `dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/sda1 bs=1M` to clone Win2K partition from source to target. When done, put cdrom back, boot to GPartD Live and resize the Win2K partition (Delete the linux partition as it is no longer needed). The easier way requires a more capable system to actually do the clone, as without PCI or USB there is really no way to have 3 drives connected to the target system at the same time. I have a couple systems that will work to do that. HTH, John From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 15:55:23 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Mon Aug 3 15:55:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Nmon... Message-ID: <363368.28018.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello folks, over the past N years, I've been using NMON a perfromance monitoring tool written by Nigel "Mr nmon" Griffiths (from IBM) on AIX which now made it into part of the OS but there is a opensource version for Linux which has been released at sourceforge. here is the email I got about the tool. Hi nmon User, nmon for Linux I am please to let you know that nmon for Linux has been released by IBM to Open Source. The binaries and source code can now be found at this Wiki http://nmon.sourceforge.net or look for the "nmon for Linux" project at http://sourceforge.net This Sourceforge site will be the new repository and the nmon for Linux details slowly removed from the AIX Wiki in favour of the new website. I have set up a basic Wiki website to cover: Introduction, Screen shots, Download the binary files, Getting started, very basic Documentation, Compiling the source code and Support via the Sourceforge based Forum. nmon for Linux is a single source code file of 5000 lines and single makefile. This will enable you to compile nmon for your precise Linux version (if you can't find what you want in the binaries) and open a few other possibilities: * Fixing the code - be gentle, please. * Removing magic numbers i.e. constants that can catch us out as machines get larger. * Developing for some strange environments like machines with no disks, blades that boot from NFS, internal Linux based engines within disks subsystems, embedded machines. * Who knows we may get nmon for Linux within the Linux Distro's - any one know how to go about that? best regards, esv. -------------------------------------- https://www.paylikeus.com From satlugacct at jchampion.com Mon Aug 3 16:47:31 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Mon Aug 3 16:47:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4A76FF36.2070203@shlrm.org> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4A76FF36.2070203@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <1cb556d10908031447y42ce5c6bx7be7477831398527@mail.gmail.com> I've had my Google Voice account for about a month now. It is awesome. I can direct all of my students calls to one VM message, my parents to a second VM message, and have a third for everyone else. It's a wonderful tool that I've got some of my friends converted to. Thanks john On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > > > In case anyone is interested...cheryl > > > > > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > > > > > If you get a gizmo5 acct, you can do free VOIP to POTS magic. Hook up > gizmo5 to a SIP phone, either soft or hard, and then you can use google > voice to instantiate calls. > > http://nerdvittles.com/?p=605 > > That's an article about merging google voice and asterisk, so you could > theoretically dial *44 (or whatever you set up in asterisk) > to dial out from your home phone. I need to get myself a JTAG connector > and hack a couple old vonage sip phones I've got. Then I can have a > "home phone" :) > > David > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKdv82AAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob3rMMAJgk59tvg09WhlMcnVJ0r2MA > y2TbA7U5F81aGI0SYF1FnHj8LDlz3llNXE/acK9iyEngc3oXAhw6T6u8PiboE7Dn > vj3Pt2vxN9MkOsriCepxKzL3jkZVq6aTpxhFPUOmjKh32L8GepziOJLuaby2NrUr > KF/AlvN0QG1tiCJmvLB2ygQ4z5UAJw4t+Y/F8AlwfDprnuLIb4SXECoxCNu/WEYT > bP3MLiVb+VlRpzjc7gwrhgBtmWAc9vC6+nytXUlYGTatZPwRmVCFWhxwE7n4A6f8 > vDJa+cZfmdn7FNsO395vlvFiU0AiEHcrsLHONvLb3o8M0kPaOVLpUW3BkTRvFXnp > N8ZU4QfYVBCyd4acxurofpQpRjmzF3KJL7funi+B490q26gblFBxADd09im9hqUp > y2uDgQI21GWsdZxs5iYBOJbJ9r1csqb6zf+VnV9md7otN6MAXtcqFf2uZSHZWB8n > DET00eo4rsPKjSsjxt3d7/Q5EAPLKcDW+ixQ0f5SDA== > =Azkt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 3 17:12:22 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Mon Aug 3 17:12:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge Message-ID: <431145.2811.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, Thanks for the detailed response and suggestions.? You're right - it's a really lean machine.? Maybe that's why I'm stubbornly working to try to solve the challenge. ? If I install Open Office, that will take up nearly 2/3 of the available space on the current hard drive and leave the new owner less than 300MB to play with.? That?doesn't seem like a workable solution. ? I have a dumb question.? What would happen if I put the "new," larger, erased and formatted HD on the IDE cable in place of the CD-ROM and just copied the old drive onto the "new" one?? Of course it would work if it could be cloned instead, but the single IDE connection on the mother board seems to preclude that approach.? I'm grasping at straws, I know, but sometimes that's part of the challenge and fun, too. ? Thanks again for the help. ? Art From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 17:56:02 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Aug 3 17:56:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4A76FF36.2070203@shlrm.org> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4A76FF36.2070203@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908031556y2fc8b4d5y3b85e9cdcfa055ff@mail.gmail.com> David, keep us posted on your hacking the Vonage phone and how yyou set all this up ok? I knopw some folks with Vonage phones who might like to do the same thing! Thanks! will chk the article out...c On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM, David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > > > In case anyone is interested...cheryl > > > > > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > > > > > If you get a gizmo5 acct, you can do free VOIP to POTS magic. Hook up > gizmo5 to a SIP phone, either soft or hard, and then you can use google > voice to instantiate calls. > > http://nerdvittles.com/?p=605 > > That's an article about merging google voice and asterisk, so you could > theoretically dial *44 (or whatever you set up in asterisk) > to dial out from your home phone. I need to get myself a JTAG connector > and hack a couple old vonage sip phones I've got. Then I can have a > "home phone" :) > > David > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKdv82AAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob3rMMAJgk59tvg09WhlMcnVJ0r2MA > y2TbA7U5F81aGI0SYF1FnHj8LDlz3llNXE/acK9iyEngc3oXAhw6T6u8PiboE7Dn > vj3Pt2vxN9MkOsriCepxKzL3jkZVq6aTpxhFPUOmjKh32L8GepziOJLuaby2NrUr > KF/AlvN0QG1tiCJmvLB2ygQ4z5UAJw4t+Y/F8AlwfDprnuLIb4SXECoxCNu/WEYT > bP3MLiVb+VlRpzjc7gwrhgBtmWAc9vC6+nytXUlYGTatZPwRmVCFWhxwE7n4A6f8 > vDJa+cZfmdn7FNsO395vlvFiU0AiEHcrsLHONvLb3o8M0kPaOVLpUW3BkTRvFXnp > N8ZU4QfYVBCyd4acxurofpQpRjmzF3KJL7funi+B490q26gblFBxADd09im9hqUp > y2uDgQI21GWsdZxs5iYBOJbJ9r1csqb6zf+VnV9md7otN6MAXtcqFf2uZSHZWB8n > DET00eo4rsPKjSsjxt3d7/Q5EAPLKcDW+ixQ0f5SDA== > =Azkt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 18:00:03 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Aug 3 18:00:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10908031447y42ce5c6bx7be7477831398527@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4A76FF36.2070203@shlrm.org> <1cb556d10908031447y42ce5c6bx7be7477831398527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908031600p6e9d31e4s3d71c409a8aa52a6@mail.gmail.com> Glad to hear this John! I'm going to take advantage of it as soon as I receive my "invite." The call quality is excellent too and I love all those free features! c On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:47 PM, John Champion wrote: > I've had my Google Voice account for about a month now. It is awesome. I > can > direct all of my students calls to one VM message, my parents to a second > VM > message, and have a third for everyone else. > > It's a wonderful tool that I've got some of my friends converted to. > > Thanks > john > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM, David Kowis wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > > > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > > > > > In case anyone is interested...cheryl > > > > > > > > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > > > > > > > > > If you get a gizmo5 acct, you can do free VOIP to POTS magic. Hook up > > gizmo5 to a SIP phone, either soft or hard, and then you can use google > > voice to instantiate calls. > > > > http://nerdvittles.com/?p=605 > > > > That's an article about merging google voice and asterisk, so you could > > theoretically dial *44 (or whatever you set up in asterisk) > > to dial out from your home phone. I need to get myself a JTAG connector > > and hack a couple old vonage sip phones I've got. Then I can have a > > "home phone" :) > > > > David > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > > > iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJKdv82AAoJEMnf+vRw63Ob3rMMAJgk59tvg09WhlMcnVJ0r2MA > > y2TbA7U5F81aGI0SYF1FnHj8LDlz3llNXE/acK9iyEngc3oXAhw6T6u8PiboE7Dn > > vj3Pt2vxN9MkOsriCepxKzL3jkZVq6aTpxhFPUOmjKh32L8GepziOJLuaby2NrUr > > KF/AlvN0QG1tiCJmvLB2ygQ4z5UAJw4t+Y/F8AlwfDprnuLIb4SXECoxCNu/WEYT > > bP3MLiVb+VlRpzjc7gwrhgBtmWAc9vC6+nytXUlYGTatZPwRmVCFWhxwE7n4A6f8 > > vDJa+cZfmdn7FNsO395vlvFiU0AiEHcrsLHONvLb3o8M0kPaOVLpUW3BkTRvFXnp > > N8ZU4QfYVBCyd4acxurofpQpRjmzF3KJL7funi+B490q26gblFBxADd09im9hqUp > > y2uDgQI21GWsdZxs5iYBOJbJ9r1csqb6zf+VnV9md7otN6MAXtcqFf2uZSHZWB8n > > DET00eo4rsPKjSsjxt3d7/Q5EAPLKcDW+ixQ0f5SDA== > > =Azkt > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From jdchoate at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 20:51:26 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Mon Aug 3 20:51:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mandriva users... KDE 4.30 is starting to appear on the cooker mirrors. Message-ID: <200908032051.26872.jdchoate@gmail.com> Like the subject says, KDE 4.30 official release is materializing on the Mandriva Cooker mirrors. The following are available as I type this. Also there is gutenprint 5.2.4 and hplip 3.9.6b. kdelibs4-core 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 kdelibs4-devel 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 kdelibs4-experimental-devel 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 kdepimlibs4-core 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 kdepimlibs4-devel 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libakonadi-kabc4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libakonadi-kde4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libakonadi-kmime4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libgpgme++2 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkabc4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkabc_file_core4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkblog4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkcal4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkde3support4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkdecore5 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkdefakes5 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkdesu5 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkdeui5 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkdnssd4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkfile4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkholidays4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkhtml5 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkimap4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkimproxy4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkio5 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkjs4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkjsapi4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkjsembed4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkldap4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkmediaplayer4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkmime4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libknewstuff2_4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libknotificationitem-1_1 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libknotifyconfig4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkntlm4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkparts4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkpimidentities4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkpimtextedit4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkpimutils4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkpty4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkresources4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkrosscore4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkrossui4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libktexteditor4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libktnef4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkunittest4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkutils4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libkxmlrpcclient4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libmailtransport4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libmicroblog4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libnepomuk4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libplasma3 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libqgpgme1 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libsolid4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libsyndication4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 libthreadweaver4 4.3.0 1mdv2010.0 i586 From j at jvpappas.net Mon Aug 3 21:16:58 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Aug 3 21:17:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <431145.2811.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <431145.2811.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450908031916y18f732a9y1f58723b324e27f6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 17:12, Arthur Hall wrote: > John, > Thanks for the detailed response and suggestions. You're right - it's a > really lean machine. Maybe that's why I'm stubbornly working to try to > solve the challenge. > Understand, I have done similar things. If I install Open Office, that will take up nearly 2/3 of the available > space on the current hard drive and leave the new owner less than 300MB to > play with. That doesn't seem like a workable solution. Agreed, but in the same way a 500G HDD on that system seems like overkill too. > IWhat would happen if I put the "new," larger, erased and formatted HD on > the IDE cable in place of the CD-ROM and just copied the old drive onto the > "new" one? There are programs that can take and clone a running copy of windows to another HDD, but they are not free, and when the cost is greater than the machine is worth, does it make sense to invest there? If this were linux, you could absolutely just copy the files with rsync, do some slight reconfiguring and get it running on a bigger HDD, but this is windows: in use files are hard to copy, the registry is fragile, drag and drop copying in windows is terrible, system state is not simple, user states are not simple, etc. Being as fragile as windows are (both glass and software), they are notoriously hard to move/transplant/manipulate. But hey, give it a shot, let me know how it works and how you did it! > Of course it would work if it could be cloned instead, but the single IDE > connection on the mother board seems to preclude that approach. I'm > grasping at straws, I know, but sometimes that's part of the challenge and > fun, too. > The easiest/fastest/cheapest/sanest/most feasible is to use another system to clone a shut-down windows drive to a larger drive using a bootable CD or other OS. I am sure there are lots of ways to get this done other than that, but as a donation, I myself would try to make it as simple as possible, and trying to copy a running windows instance is not. Granted, this is AFAIK, and hopefully there is a way that I am not aware of. Anyone have an idea here? jp From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 3 21:28:45 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Mon Aug 3 21:28:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <431145.2811.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <431145.2811.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What would happen is all the files would be copied, but windows won't be able to boot. You would then have to repair the windows install, done from a win cd, but even then not all of the files would have been copied. Those in use won't be copied, i.e. win registry, user config files, programs that have dll's open, and such. MS's Robocopy might be able to copy all those files. Use robocopy /S /E /ZB /R:2 /W:0 for the best effect. ( /S - subfolders /E-even empty /ZB-switch to backup mode if needed, /R-retry count /W-wait # secs between retries) Also will give a nice summary for a CLI copy kind of prog and won't stop if there is a failure-it'll keep going. There is also a /LOG: switch if you want to see what happened. Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Arthur Hall Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:12 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge John, Thanks for the detailed response and suggestions.? You're right - it's a really lean machine.? Maybe that's why I'm stubbornly working to try to solve the challenge. ? If I install Open Office, that will take up nearly 2/3 of the available space on the current hard drive and leave the new owner less than 300MB to play with.? That?doesn't seem like a workable solution. ? I have a dumb question.? What would happen if I put the "new," larger, erased and formatted HD on the IDE cable in place of the CD-ROM and just copied the old drive onto the "new" one?? Of course it would work if it could be cloned instead, but the single IDE connection on the mother board seems to preclude that approach.? I'm grasping at straws, I know, but sometimes that's part of the challenge and fun, too. ? Thanks again for the help. ? Art -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2278 - Release Date: 08/02/09 17:56:00 From corpustexn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 22:13:26 2009 From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Mon Aug 3 22:13:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450908031916y18f732a9y1f58723b324e27f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <632662.4660.qm@web50012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, John Pappas wrote: > From: John Pappas > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:16 PM > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 17:12, Arthur > Hall > wrote: > > > John, > > Thanks for the detailed response and > suggestions.? You're right - it's a > > really lean machine.? Maybe that's why I'm > stubbornly working to try to > > solve the challenge. > > > > Understand, I have done similar things. > > If I install Open Office, that will take up nearly 2/3 of > the available > > space on the current hard drive and leave the new > owner less than 300MB to > > play with.? That doesn't seem like a workable > solution. > > > Agreed, but in the same way a 500G HDD on that system seems > like overkill > too. > > > > IWhat would happen if I put the "new," larger, erased > and formatted HD on > > the IDE cable in place of the CD-ROM and just copied > the old drive onto the > > "new" > > > > Of course it would work if it could be cloned instead, > but the single IDE > > connection on the mother board seems to preclude that > approach.? I'm > > grasping at straws, I know, but sometimes that's part > of the challenge and > > fun, too. > > > > The easiest/fastest/cheapest/sanest/most feasible is to use > another system > to clone a shut-down windows drive to a larger drive using > a bootable CD or > other OS.? I am sure there are lots of ways to get > this done other than > that, but as a donation, I myself would try to make it as > simple as > possible, and trying to copy a running windows instance is > not.? Granted, > this is AFAIK, and hopefully there is a way that I am not > aware of. > > Anyone have an idea here? > > jp > -- > I've used xxcopy in the past. It's free and supposed to be better than xcopy. It does an incremental copy. If it completes with errors run it again until no errors are reported. It was reasonably fast and worked fine for me a few years ago.http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy10.htm ____________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From j at jvpappas.net Mon Aug 3 22:14:00 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Aug 3 22:14:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 22:59, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html I have been using GV since it was Grand Central. I love it. There were definitely some growing pains (lost "archived" voicemails, some DTMF control issues, other such oddities, but I never had a problem with voice quality or the ability to have multiple phones ring. I even use the GV iPhone App, not perfect (ie no bluetooth use for headset, so must "listen" to "visual voicemail" via holding it up to my ear, organizing voicemail is best done via Web interface, etc)) Since the transition to Google, I have have not had too many issues. Still accomplishes what I need it to: ring muliple phones and have a central VM box for that number. I would buy more than 1 number if I could... HTH, jp From satlugacct at jchampion.com Mon Aug 3 23:11:20 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Mon Aug 3 23:11:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] just a reminder..bandwidth caps are not dead for home users... Message-ID: <1cb556d10908032111h62a0fcfl8cec190d33fa307e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Just an FYI-- beware...the notion of charging you more for whatever you already are paying for is still being kicked around. Now the push will be to get you to quit using your current network equipment and get you to use these. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Netgear-To-Make-Consumption-Meters-Standard-103533?nocomment=1 Thanks john From corpustexn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 23:21:21 2009 From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Mon Aug 3 23:21:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <632662.4660.qm@web50012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <179847.83641.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Tim wrote: > From: Tim > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 10:13 PM > > > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, John Pappas > wrote: > > > From: John Pappas > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:16 PM > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 17:12, Arthur > > Hall > > wrote: > > > > > John, > > > Thanks for the detailed response and > > suggestions.? You're right - it's a > > > really lean machine.? Maybe that's why I'm > > stubbornly working to try to > > > solve the challenge. > > > > > > > Understand, I have done similar things. > > > > If I install Open Office, that will take up nearly 2/3 > of > > the available > > > space on the current hard drive and leave the > new > > owner less than 300MB to > > > play with.? That doesn't seem like a workable > > solution. > > > > > > Agreed, but in the same way a 500G HDD on that system > seems > > like overkill > > too. > > > > > > > IWhat would happen if I put the "new," larger, > erased > > and formatted HD on > > > the IDE cable in place of the CD-ROM and just > copied > > the old drive onto the > > > "new" > > > > > > > Of course it would work if it could be cloned > instead, > > but the single IDE > > > connection on the mother board seems to preclude > that > > approach.? I'm > > > grasping at straws, I know, but sometimes that's > part > > of the challenge and > > > fun, too. > > > > > > > The easiest/fastest/cheapest/sanest/most feasible is > to use > > another system > > to clone a shut-down windows drive to a larger drive > using > > a bootable CD or > > other OS.? I am sure there are lots of ways to get > > this done other than > > that, but as a donation, I myself would try to make it > as > > simple as > > possible, and trying to copy a running windows > instance is > > not.? Granted, > > this is AFAIK, and hopefully there is a way that I am > not > > aware of. > > > > Anyone have an idea here? > > > > jp > > -- > > I've used xxcopy in the past.? It's free and > supposed to be better than xcopy.? It does an > incremental copy.? If it completes with errors run it > again until no errors are reported.? It was reasonably > fast and worked fine for me a few years ago.http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy10.htm > >After refreshing my memory from the suggested url, it might not work with xp without creating a new mbr. Maybe copy the i386 folder to the new drive and run setup? ____________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hc at lookcee.com Tue Aug 4 00:07:38 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Aug 4 00:07:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <179847.83641.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <179847.83641.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A77C21A.40906@lookcee.com> Tim wrote: >>> Anyone have an idea here? >>> >>> jp >>> -- >>> I've used xxcopy in the past. It's free and >>> >> supposed to be better than xcopy. It does an >> incremental copy. If it completes with errors run it >> again until no errors are reported. It was reasonably >> fast and worked fine for me a few years ago.http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy10.htm >> >> > > >> After refreshing my memory from the suggested url, it might not work with xp without creating a new mbr. Maybe copy the i386 folder to the new drive and run setup? ____________________________________________ >> Tim. Art is trying to preserve Win 2000 not XP ... but couldn't you run DOS fdisk - mbr and restore the boot record. I also wonder if running a fresh restore before copying and then if it fails to boot clean, from the new drive, perhaps restore would fix it. I'm in over my head but I am curious. herb From satlugacct at jchampion.com Tue Aug 4 06:58:56 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Tue Aug 4 06:58:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <4A77C21A.40906@lookcee.com> References: <179847.83641.qm@web50004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A77C21A.40906@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <1cb556d10908040458t34ae2d29y55a2bf4616c6c0b4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Herb Cee wrote: > Tim wrote: > >> Anyone have an idea here? >>>> >>>> jp >>>> -- >>>> I've used xxcopy in the past. It's free and >>>> >>>> >>> supposed to be better than xcopy. It does an >>> incremental copy. If it completes with errors run it >>> again until no errors are reported. It was reasonably >>> fast and worked fine for me a few years ago. >>> http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy10.htm >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> After refreshing my memory from the suggested url, it might not work with >>> xp without creating a new mbr. Maybe copy the i386 folder to the new drive >>> and run setup? ____________________________________________ >>> >>> >> Tim. Art is trying to preserve Win 2000 not XP ... but couldn't you run > DOS fdisk - mbr and restore the boot record. I also wonder if running a > fresh restore before copying and then if it fails to boot clean, from the > new drive, perhaps restore would fix it. > > > I'm in over my head but I am curious. > herb > -- > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Gentlefolks, Have you considered using Google Apps as opposed to OpenOffice? Smaller footprint on the drive and they can be used offline. Just a thought... Thanks, john From satlugacct at jchampion.com Tue Aug 4 07:01:46 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Tue Aug 4 07:01:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Emily Postnews on Testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1cb556d10908040501h40101adbo19727ed5ef3a9a39@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Howard Haradon wrote: > This is acient, but still funny and applicable to present day > forums and listservs. > > Q: What about a test message? > > A: It is important, when testing, to test the entire net. Never test > merely a subnet distribution when the whole net can be done. Also put > "please ignore" on your test messages, since we all know that > everybody always skips a message with a line like that. Don't use a > subject like "My sex is female but I demand to be addressed as male." > because such articles are read in depth by all USEnauts. > > For a laugh, check out the whole deal here: > > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1/ > > Howard > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > What I find humorous is the list of ads on Google Mail for this email. Talk about all over the map...colonoscopy? Really? Sponsored Links What's A Colonoscopy?Read The Facts & Take an Assessment For Your Next Colonoscopy Exam. www.HalfLytely.com Web Page TestingTest how your web pages convert. Try Google's Website Optimizer. www.google.com/websiteoptimizer Your Psychic AbilitiesTest out your skills now with this Free Report from a true Pro-Psychic www.AboutAstro.com/psychic/ Praxis I & II Exam CardsPraxis flashcards are guaranteed to raise your Praxis I & II test score www.flashcardsecrets.com/praxisii Study for TEASGuaranteed to raise scores on TEAS with just a few hours of study! www.mo-media.com/teas From corpustexn at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 08:38:41 2009 From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Tue Aug 4 08:38:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10908040458t34ae2d29y55a2bf4616c6c0b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <218391.75355.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, John Champion wrote: > From: John Champion > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 6:58 AM > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Herb > Cee > wrote: > > > Tim wrote: > > > >> Anyone have an idea here? > >>>> > >>>> jp > >>>> -- > >>>> I've used xxcopy in the past.? It's > free and > >>>> > >>>> > >>> supposed to be better than xcopy.? It > does an > >>> incremental copy.? If it completes with > errors run it > >>> again until no errors are reported.? It > was reasonably > >>> fast and worked fine for me a few years ago. > >>> http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy10.htm > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>> After refreshing my memory from the suggested > url, it might not work with > >>> xp without creating a new mbr.? Maybe > copy the i386 folder to the new drive > >>> and run setup? > ____________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >> Tim.? Art is trying to preserve Win 2000 not > XP ... but couldn't you run > > DOS? fdisk - mbr and restore the boot record. I > also wonder if running a > > fresh restore before copying and then if it fails to > boot clean, from the > > new drive, perhaps restore would fix it. > > > > > > I'm in over my head but I am curious. > > herb > > -- OK, win2000, I stand corrected! I would probably install the new drive in place of the cdrom, copy the i386 folder to the new drive, double click on winnt32.exe, and install to the new drive. Of course you need serial numbers and you can find tools that can tell you the existing serial. Install drivers from the old drive. Switch drives. Also he could make a slipstream cd from the old drive and install that way. That would have some advantages. Still would need the serial. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > Gentlefolks, > > Have you considered using Google Apps as opposed to > OpenOffice? Smaller > footprint on the drive and they can be used offline. > > Just a thought... > Thanks, > john > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From j at jvpappas.net Tue Aug 4 10:10:04 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Tue Aug 4 10:10:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <218391.75355.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1cb556d10908040458t34ae2d29y55a2bf4616c6c0b4@mail.gmail.com> <218391.75355.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450908040810r1c1b0cc8y46a2fc17c4235b1a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 08:38, Tim wrote: > OK, win2000, I stand corrected! I would probably install the new > drive in place of the cdrom, copy the i386 folder to the new drive, double > click on winnt32.exe, and install to the new drive. Of course you need > serial numbers and you can find tools that can tell you the existing serial. That is a good point. If there is data/settings/whatever that we need to preserve, then why not just keep that data and then reinstall the OS and then reconstitute the data. There are ways to keep/restore user profiles that is much simpler given the limitations here. > Also he could make a slipstream cd from the old drive and install that way. > That would have some advantages. Still would need the serial. Also good point. Also somewhat easier than the in-place cloning concept (Simple drive clone on suitable machine is still the easiest). From hc at lookcee.com Tue Aug 4 17:29:27 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Tue Aug 4 17:29:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Hardware Challenge In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450908040810r1c1b0cc8y46a2fc17c4235b1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1cb556d10908040458t34ae2d29y55a2bf4616c6c0b4@mail.gmail.com> <218391.75355.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4c0ec4450908040810r1c1b0cc8y46a2fc17c4235b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A78B647.1020705@lookcee.com> John Pappas wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 08:38, Tim wrote: > > >> OK, win2000, I stand corrected! I would probably install the new >> drive in place of the cdrom, copy the i386 folder to the new drive, double >> click on winnt32.exe, and install to the new drive. Of course you need >> serial numbers and you can find tools that can tell you the existing serial. >> > > > That is a good point. If there is data/settings/whatever that we need to > preserve, then why not just keep that data and then reinstall the OS and > then reconstitute the data. There are ways to keep/restore user profiles > that is much simpler given the limitations here. > > > >> Also he could make a slipstream cd from the old drive and install that way. >> That would have some advantages. Still would need the serial. >> > > > Also good point. Also somewhat easier than the in-place cloning concept > (Simple drive clone on suitable machine is still the easiest). > Yeah I gotta agree John dunno how hard it is to remove that HD from the skinny box also looking at the spec on that very machine i thought it looked like Compac had taken some old Lappy mobos and adapted them to a mini case. dunno if the orig HD is a 3.5 or 2.5 ... or does that matter? Have you looked Art cause be much easier to move the 1.6 drive to a Linux box and clone all the partitions off to the new bigger drive then put the big drive in and let wimdows find any probs with addressing. Thats why I think a fresh restore would maybe come in handy. herb From gjcarrasco at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 15:54:34 2009 From: gjcarrasco at gmail.com (Gordon Carrasco) Date: Thu Aug 6 15:54:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Ugh, nervous lol In-Reply-To: <20090802175053.C9CE3478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090802175053.C9CE3478024@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <6213dd500908061354t67ad388dj44eff4fcde32bd0a@mail.gmail.com> More than likely more than one person is applying for the gig. Once they finish all the interviews they will take the best candidate. Gordon On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Kenneth Cluck wrote: > haha no I understand that, I was just nervous because with everything > else it's been very quick. I did talk to them though and it sounds like I > *might* have some competition. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scs@worldlinkisp.com" > To: satlug@satlug.org > Subject: RE: Re: [SATLUG] Ugh, nervous lol > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:58:06 -0400 > > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > > I haven't been able to reach'm, I figure he *could* just be > away or something, he's the one I've been waiting on. > ------------------------------------------------------- > Sounds like you're unfamiliar with the inner workings of large > Corporations. Your recruiter has to consult with his boss, > and then Human Resources has to look at everything before > an offer is presented...If and when they're ready, they will > contact you, bugging them can have a negative effect. > > Putting all your eggs in one basket (if this is the case) isn't a > good plan, unless you're employed and looking for something > better. > > Patince is a virtue. > > Lou > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > An Excellent Credit Score is 750 > See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > at Freecreditreport.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 18:21:53 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Aug 6 18:22:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908061621x201672aekcaf051e7eed4ea0a@mail.gmail.com> Why don't you make that suggestion to them. They are wanted suggestions from their user GVoice site. I got my invite and signed up last night. Very impressive features and excellent call quality. Is there a way to have their voice mail pick up on my landline number or only on the number I chose from them. What I did choosing the g number was searched for the number closest to my landline number... Thanks c, On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, John Pappas wrote: > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 22:59, Cheryl Holmes >wrote: > > > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > > I have been using GV since it was Grand Central. I love it. There were > definitely some growing pains (lost "archived" voicemails, some DTMF > control > issues, other such oddities, but I never had a problem with voice quality > or > the ability to have multiple phones ring. I even use the GV iPhone App, > not > perfect (ie no bluetooth use for headset, so must "listen" to "visual > voicemail" via holding it up to my ear, organizing voicemail is best done > via Web interface, etc)) > > Since the transition to Google, I have have not had too many issues. Still > accomplishes what I need it to: ring muliple phones and have a central VM > box for that number. I would buy more than 1 number if I could... > > HTH, > jp > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Thu Aug 6 19:25:30 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Thu Aug 6 19:25:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II Message-ID: <4A7B747A.1020204@satx.rr.com> I've been working on the old Compaq system Art Hall had asked about cloning the old HD (from a few days ago), and I've run into an issue that I can't seem to find an answer for. I'm trying copy the boot files from the old drive to the new (in a terminal window running under a live CD version of GPartEd), and when I go to copy the files I need, I get an error "Cannot create regular file xxxxxxxx Permission denied." I've made sure I was operating as root (su), that the drives were mounted as rw, and the rw permissions for the mount points are fully open (chmod 777). I've tried changing permissions on the files themselves (they're -rw-------), but it won't let me. Does anyone recognize what's going on here and know what I can do to copy these files? TIA. Al Lesmerises From corpustexn at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 20:11:23 2009 From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Thu Aug 6 20:11:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II In-Reply-To: <4A7B747A.1020204@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <857431.73255.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > From: Alan Lesmerises > Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II > To: "SATLUG Mail Group" > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:25 PM > I've been working on the old Compaq > system Art Hall had asked about cloning the old HD (from a > few days ago), and I've run into an issue that I can't seem > to find an answer for. > > I'm trying copy the boot files from the old drive to the > new (in a terminal window running under a live CD version of > GPartEd), and when I go to copy the files I need, I get an > error "Cannot create regular file xxxxxxxx? Permission > denied." > > I've made sure I was operating as root (su), that the > drives were mounted as rw, and the rw permissions for the > mount points are fully open (chmod 777).? I've tried > changing permissions on the files themselves (they're > -rw-------), but it won't let me. > > Does anyone recognize what's going on here and know what I > can do to copy these files? > > TIA. > > Al Lesmerises > A few months ago I replaced the 160gig drive in my laptop with a 320 and while my memory isn't what it should be, I think I did with something like dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc bs=512. Now, that probably isn't exactly right. And the result was my vista partition and several linux os's were copied over byte for byte; and my 320 is now a 160. Again a byte for byte. I switched drives, booted into one of the linux os's, and used gparted to reclaim the other 160 gig. You should be able to copy the mbr using a similar dd command. Just my 2 cents. > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 21:20:55 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Thu Aug 6 21:20:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Petitions Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ubuntu Community, I'd like to make several petitions promoting Linux. These are GOOOOD! I've seen one petition that caused m$ to apologize. I searched through other Linux petitions and realized, these things have already came true what they were petitioning after the time they were written. The problem is that when I try to use that free website to create a petition and hit the submit button, I am taken to a blank cgi page. I have tried with Epiphany Web Browser, Firefox 3.x, and Chromium. Would someone try doing a test petition or a real one and let me know if it's a problem on my end or problem with their server? Thanks. - -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.8) iEYEARECAAYFAkp7j4cACgkQxp8Ys+E7CQkDrwCgna/qORsVg+Cw34VMJxnyARM2 7fMAn0DWI23gPITns4p3nWpWZ9x+NW/h =L4rf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 21:30:38 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Thu Aug 6 21:30:40 2009 Subject: Fwd: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cheryl Holmes Date: Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:59 PM Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... In case anyone is interested...cheryl http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html - -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). - -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) Say Good Bye to Magic Jack (who claimed they would support Linux years ago, and it still hasn't happened). Google is wiping out the M$ competition by making everything free and using and promoting Linux. Also has anyone seen these Linux laptops popping up everywhere to non tech users. They are extremely user friend to the point where the only way I could find to get to the command line was to change the GDM session to Failsafe terminal. I've seen 3 people with these all in a week. 2 were the Alfa 400 and the other was an HP Mini Mi Edition, both based off Ubuntu, but customizing it and renaming it as their own is not giving credit to the open source developers who worked hard to bring that to the community free and others make a profit from it. Still, more and more users are moving away from m$, and I now see the possibility of Linux taking over the desktop. I just hate to see Linux commercialism. I don't know if that would happen. - -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.8) iEYEARECAAYFAkp7kc0ACgkQxp8Ys+E7CQkLaQCeP/W8uSozxzCuLCWl3YVzuInP BtQAn281GvK0YoUFPVx5iTn9zPgQVj7/ =1A1G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 22:48:41 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Thu Aug 6 22:48:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Unslung for x86? Message-ID: <869de8470908062048j29a72f26n868fe582befa37ae@mail.gmail.com> Hello all. I have a couple of thinclients here and I've been reading about the NSLU2's "unslung" distros for a while now and got to thinking. Both of these thinclients have at least two USB ports, and a 10/100 NIC so why not do something unslung-ish with them? My issue is that there is no x86 port of the unslung distro that I could use. I'm specifically looking at drive mount handling, (unmount, mount, FS support and share managment) and still using the builtin flash only for OS storage. I've googled for a solution but keep coming up with the unslung distro which is compiled for ARM in the NSLU2, both devices I have are x86 (both NatSemi Geodes, ironically) I have an IBM thinclient that will only work with a specific kernel(N2200) as I never could figure out how to patch the kernel with the IBM proprietary signature to get it to boot something recent-ish. My other thing is the Neoware thinclient although I might resort to throwing a 30gig laptop HD into it instead. Your thoughts? Even if I can find an application that will fit on the 16MB card for the Neoware that will allow me to mess with the samba config as mentioned above, that would work for one of them (quite possibly both as the IBM will go up to a 512mb card. Thoughts? Suggestions? Maniacial Ramblings? Thanks FIRESTORM_v1 From kc3 at colorado.usa.com Thu Aug 6 23:37:32 2009 From: kc3 at colorado.usa.com (Kenneth Cluck) Date: Thu Aug 6 23:37:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Petitions Message-ID: <20090807043732.207D210612@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> A petition that made Microsoft apologize? Okay I'm as anti-microsoft as the next Linux user lol (well the average one) but what they've done, though questionable was still legal and I can't really blame them for business practices that are well, good for their business. If there's issues than well, it's not directly with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Lemire" To: "Ubuntu Mailing List" , "The San Antonio Texas Linux User Group Mailing List" Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Petitions Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:20:55 -0500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ubuntu Community, I'd like to make several petitions promoting Linux. These are GOOOOD! I've seen one petition that caused m$ to apologize. I searched through other Linux petitions and realized, these things have already came true what they were petitioning after the time they were written. The problem is that when I try to use that free website to create a petition and hit the submit button, I am taken to a blank cgi page. I have tried with Epiphany Web Browser, Firefox 3.x, and Chromium. Would someone try doing a test petition or a real one and let me know if it's a problem on my end or problem with their server? Thanks. - -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.8) iEYEARECAAYFAkp7j4cACgkQxp8Ys+E7CQkDrwCgna/qORsVg+Cw34VMJxnyARM2 7fMAn0DWI23gPITns4p3nWpWZ9x+NW/h =L4rf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com! From mckinneyb at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 09:55:48 2009 From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney) Date: Fri Aug 7 09:55:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, John Pappas wrote: > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 22:59, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was >> awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... >> >> http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > > I have been using GV since it was Grand Central. ?I love it. ?There were > definitely some growing pains (lost "archived" voicemails, some DTMF control > issues, other such oddities, but I never had a problem with voice quality or > the ability to have multiple phones ring. ?I even use the GV iPhone App, not > perfect (ie no bluetooth use for headset, so must "listen" to "visual > voicemail" via holding it up to my ear, organizing voicemail is best done > via Web interface, etc)) > > Since the transition to Google, I have have not had too many issues. ?Still > accomplishes what I need it to: ring muliple phones and have a central VM > box for that number. ?I would buy more than 1 number if I could... > > HTH, > jp Are you able to send and recieve SMS through the GV iphone app, for instance if you don't have a text message plan? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- -Brian From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Fri Aug 7 10:25:45 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Fri Aug 7 10:25:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II In-Reply-To: <857431.73255.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <857431.73255.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A7C4779.6050102@satx.rr.com> Tim wrote: > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > >> From: Alan Lesmerises >> Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II >> To: "SATLUG Mail Group" >> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:25 PM >> I've been working on the old Compaq >> system Art Hall had asked about cloning the old HD (from a >> few days ago), and I've run into an issue that I can't seem >> to find an answer for. >> >> I'm trying copy the boot files from the old drive to the >> new (in a terminal window running under a live CD version of >> GPartEd), and when I go to copy the files I need, I get an >> error "Cannot create regular file xxxxxxxx Permission >> denied." >> >> I've made sure I was operating as root (su), that the >> drives were mounted as rw, and the rw permissions for the >> mount points are fully open (chmod 777). I've tried >> changing permissions on the files themselves (they're >> -rw-------), but it won't let me. >> >> Does anyone recognize what's going on here and know what I >> can do to copy these files? >> >> TIA. >> >> Al Lesmerises >> > A few months ago I replaced the 160gig drive in my laptop with a 320 and while my memory isn't what it should be, I think I did with something like dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc bs=512. Now, that probably isn't exactly right. And the result was my vista partition and several linux os's were copied over byte for byte; and my 320 is now a 160. Again a byte for byte. I switched drives, booted into one of the linux os's, and used gparted to reclaim the other 160 gig. You should be able to copy the mbr using a similar dd command. Just my 2 cents. > >> -- _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> That may do the job, but it still doesn't answer the main question -- why can't I copy those files? What is it that cp doesn't like? Al Lesmerises From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 12:32:43 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Fri Aug 7 12:32:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Brian McKinney wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, John Pappas wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 22:59, Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> >>> A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was >>> awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... >>> >>> http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html >> 1-800-GOOG-411 -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 18:17:32 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Aug 7 18:17:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200908071817.32508.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Sunday 02 August 2009 22:59:27 Cheryl Holmes wrote: > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > In case anyone is interested...cheryl > > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > > > Thanks for posting this. I got my invite a couple nights ago and I just set it up and imported my contacts from kmail. I tested it and it works quite well sending to my cell phone. John C From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 20:29:21 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Aug 7 20:29:44 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <200908071817.32508.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <200908071817.32508.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908071829q43e299c4x769821f1d8239eb1@mail.gmail.com> You're very welcome John I got my invite abt the same time as you and signed up. UI haven;t initiated a call from the PC yet, only from my landline which is really nice! They say you can make free ld calls from any phone but I haven't tried that yet either. Let me know if you would like the instructions on how to initiate calls from your landline or any phone like they say...you can also check your voicemail and perform other functions in their system by just dialing you GVoice number from any phone then hit "*." You will get the menu. You only need to puch a couple more things on your phone after that if you want to make a LD call from it. c On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:17 PM, John D Choate wrote: > On Sunday 02 August 2009 22:59:27 Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > A friend called me using this tonight and the connection was > > awesome...waiting for my "invite" so I can sign up... > > > > In case anyone is interested...cheryl > > > > > > http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. I got my invite a couple nights ago and I just set > it up and imported my contacts from kmail. I tested it and it works quite > well sending to my cell phone. > > John C > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 20:03:10 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Sun Aug 9 20:03:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II In-Reply-To: <857431.73255.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4A7B747A.1020204@satx.rr.com> <857431.73255.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0908091803t757bf3c9w5f801a6a717e5a81@mail.gmail.com> You really don't want to dd the entire mbr or entire drive if the two drives are different sizes. The geometry will be different and you will end up with partitions that do not end on cylinder boundaries which can cause problems with future partition changes. If you dd the first 446 bytes of the MBR you will pick up the boot loader but not the partition table. Create the partitions separately and use the copy partition feature of GParted. This is the safest way to copy partitions to a larger or smaller drive. -Henry On 8/6/09, Tim wrote: > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > >> From: Alan Lesmerises >> Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II >> To: "SATLUG Mail Group" >> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:25 PM >> I've been working on the old Compaq >> system Art Hall had asked about cloning the old HD (from a >> few days ago), and I've run into an issue that I can't seem >> to find an answer for. >> >> I'm trying copy the boot files from the old drive to the >> new (in a terminal window running under a live CD version of >> GPartEd), and when I go to copy the files I need, I get an >> error "Cannot create regular file xxxxxxxx? Permission >> denied." >> >> I've made sure I was operating as root (su), that the >> drives were mounted as rw, and the rw permissions for the >> mount points are fully open (chmod 777).? I've tried >> changing permissions on the files themselves (they're >> -rw-------), but it won't let me. >> >> Does anyone recognize what's going on here and know what I >> can do to copy these files? >> >> TIA. >> >> Al Lesmerises >> > > A few months ago I replaced the 160gig drive in my laptop with a 320 and > while my memory isn't what it should be, I think I did with something like > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc bs=512. Now, that probably isn't exactly right. > And the result was my vista partition and several linux os's were copied > over byte for byte; and my 320 is now a 160. Again a byte for byte. I > switched drives, booted into one of the linux os's, and used gparted to > reclaim the other 160 gig. You should be able to copy the mbr using a > similar dd command. Just my 2 cents. >> -- _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> manage/unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 04:29:52 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Aug 10 04:29:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] ISPs' costs, revenues don't support data cap argument - Ars Technica Message-ID: <4A7FE890.5080305@gmail.com> Nuff said? (Maybe not...) http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/isps-costs-revenues-dont-support-data-cap-argument.ars Cheers... Ed From j at jvpappas.net Mon Aug 10 10:24:35 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Aug 10 10:24:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II In-Reply-To: <4A7C4779.6050102@satx.rr.com> References: <857431.73255.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A7C4779.6050102@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450908100824x29a8db7bt77d4427cbe52b7d2@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:25, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Tim wrote: > >> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> >> >>> From: Alan Lesmerises >>> Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II >>> >>> I'm trying copy the boot files from the old drive to the >>> new (in a terminal window running under a live CD version of >>> GPartEd), and when I go to copy the files I need, I get an >>> error "Cannot create regular file xxxxxxxx Permission >>> denied." >>> >> It is a bit unclear, but I assume that you are using one of the NTFS linux drivers (Assume ntfs-3g), and cp'ing between NTFS partitions (Both source and destination are NTFS partitions). The linux NTFS drivers have no way to respect the security (NTFS permissions) of the files, so I have not had a great amount of luck doing a `cp` for anything but a data recovery operation (Copy files from NTFS to other NATIVE linux FS). You may also want to try rsync, as that will both cut down on redundant copy attempts and (possibily) give more useful output than a failed cp. I've made sure I was operating as root (su), that the >>> drives were mounted as rw, and the rw permissions for the >>> mount points are fully open (chmod 777). I've tried >>> changing permissions on the files themselves (they're >>> -rw-------), but it won't let me. >> >> Suspect that the linux NTFS drivers are the cause. You may want to try BartPE with robocopy (or xxcopy) to handle the windows to windows copy tasks, as the BartPE has access to the SAM and can properly respect permissions. That may do the job, but it still doesn't answer the main question -- why > can't I copy those files? What is it that cp doesn't like? Suspect the NTFS destination. HTH, jp From j at jvpappas.net Mon Aug 10 10:32:59 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Aug 10 10:33:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 09:55, Brian McKinney wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, John Pappas wrote: > > > > I even use the GV iPhone App, not > > perfect (ie no bluetooth use for headset, so must "listen" to "visual > > voicemail" via holding it up to my ear, organizing voicemail is best done > > via Web interface, etc)) > > Are you able to send and recieve SMS through the GV iphone app, for > instance if you don't have a text message plan? I have not used the SMS capability extensively, so I cannot answer definitively, but Apple has pulled the GV app from the app store: LongURL: http://www.maclife.com/article/feature/how_google_voice_debacle_hurting_thirdparty_developershttp://www.maclife.com/article/feature/how_google_voice_debacle_hurting_thirdparty_developers ShortURL: http://tinyurl.com/m2nbxr FWIW, jp From hharadon at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 10:40:43 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Mon Aug 10 10:40:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Alternate Meeting Location for August Meeting? In-Reply-To: <4bf1dcc60908021010v51965390v90913f8e3c48566c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60908021010v51965390v90913f8e3c48566c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Marc Ripley wrote: > Previously mentioned on the list some one indicated the possibility of > an alternate meeting location due to construction at SAC. > > Any news on this? > > I'd like to start going to meetings but find it difficult to attend at > SAC because I'm unsure of the parking arrangements for > non-staff/students. > I attended once by taking the bus but it was a little bit too > adventurous on the ride home. ?Since the routes have changed, it's > even less of an option for me. > > Thanks for any updates. > > Marc AFAIK we will meet at SAC per our website. I have parked for numerous SATLUG events in the Nail parking lot and only received one ticket which I took to Steve Kolars, and he got it fixed with the campus police. He advises us to put a sign on our dashboard saying "Attending SAC sponsored event in the Nail Center". See you on Wed evening. HH -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From pjcrux at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 14:24:40 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Mon Aug 10 14:24:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to install Fedora 10 on a Dell Dimension 3000 Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0908101224x433fc584k932b4ef1f1b41735@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, Trying to install F10 on a Dell Dimension 3000. However the install process takes about 5 minutes per page in anaconda. When I boot into windows task manager shows 100% CPU utilization. Any thoughts? Is the processor going bad? Memory? The board? Can't figure this out. -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From j at jvpappas.net Mon Aug 10 15:23:37 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Aug 10 15:23:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to install Fedora 10 on a Dell Dimension 3000 In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0908101224x433fc584k932b4ef1f1b41735@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0908101224x433fc584k932b4ef1f1b41735@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450908101323jfa351a2r1d09257d67a98db7@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 14:24, Peter Cross wrote: > Hello All, > Trying to install F10 on a Dell Dimension 3000. However the install process > takes about 5 minutes per page in anaconda. When I boot into windows task > manager shows 100% CPU utilization. Any thoughts? Is the processor going > bad? Memory? The board? Can't figure this out. > This is not very clear. How are you loading F10 and using the Windows task manager? Will assume that you have a dual boot system, and you are checking CPU right after booting Windows. Windows takes a bit of time to finish loading, so on a slower PC the CPU could be pegged for a while doing background things. However, you want to diagnose potential hardware problems, so I will aim there: Quick check: BIOS seems to be OK and the system POSTs. DOes the BIOS reflect proper CPU, CPU speed, Memory installed, etc? I would then check the Power Management settings in the BIOS, as sometimes the CPU scales back and 100% is actually 100% of 30% of the CPU's primary Hz capability (even on Desktops). To check memory, I use the MemTest86+ program that is included in many live CDs, maybe even the install media for Fedora. I use SysrescueCD for my hardware diagnostics, but GRC's SpinRite does hard drives better. Both take a long time, so be ready to leave the machine alone for 8-24 hours depending on level of checks selected. For most linux install processes (Assume FC is the same), there are other tty's that you can get to with Ctl-Alt-Fx (where x is 1-8, and 7 is usually the GUI), just like with running linux systems. Most of the time, basic stuff like `ps` is available, sometimes even `top`. You could use that CLI to do some monitoring to see what is processing. Most install routines are not CPU conservative, as the theory is that it is running on a fresh, single system and will only be done once, so do it right, not fast; thus install on a slower system is (you guessed it) slower. Especially during the YUM routines. Do you have the target drive on the same bus as the install media (CD or DVD)? If the HDD is beginning to fail, things tend to be slow as well (Try looking at the other tty's, as IIRC a couple of them have log outputs), see if there are any IDE retries or things of that nature. It also may need swap (IIRC the install routine enables swap after the partitioning phase) to "speed up". Once you have collected more detailed info that you can pass on, we can dig in further. HTH, jp From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 10 19:25:18 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:25:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to install Fedora 10 on a Dell Dimension 3000 In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450908101323jfa351a2r1d09257d67a98db7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c63fb3d0908101224x433fc584k932b4ef1f1b41735@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908101323jfa351a2r1d09257d67a98db7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A80BA6E.2090709@satx.rr.com> John Pappas wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 14:24, Peter Cross wrote: >> Hello All, >> Trying to install F10 on a Dell Dimension 3000. However the install process >> takes about 5 minutes per page in anaconda. When I boot into windows task >> manager shows 100% CPU utilization. Any thoughts? Is the processor going >> bad? Memory? The board? Can't figure this out. > This is not very clear. How are you loading F10 and using the Windows task > manager? Will assume that you have a dual boot system, and you are checking > CPU right after booting Windows. Windows takes a bit of time to finish > loading, so on a slower PC the CPU could be pegged for a while doing > background things. > > However, you want to diagnose potential hardware problems, so I will aim > there: > > Quick check: BIOS seems to be OK and the system POSTs. DOes the BIOS > reflect proper CPU, CPU speed, Memory installed, etc? > I would then check the Power Management settings in the BIOS, as sometimes > the CPU scales back and 100% is actually 100% of 30% of the CPU's primary Hz > capability (even on Desktops). > > To check memory, I use the MemTest86+ program that is included in many live > CDs, maybe even the install media for Fedora. I use SysrescueCD for my > hardware diagnostics, but GRC's SpinRite does hard drives better. Both take > a long time, so be ready to leave the machine alone for 8-24 hours depending > on level of checks selected. > > For most linux install processes (Assume FC is the same), there are other > tty's that you can get to with Ctl-Alt-Fx (where x is 1-8, and 7 is usually > the GUI), just like with running linux systems. Most of the time, basic > stuff like `ps` is available, sometimes even `top`. You could use that CLI > to do some monitoring to see what is processing. Most install routines are > not CPU conservative, as the theory is that it is running on a fresh, single > system and will only be done once, so do it right, not fast; thus install > on a slower system is (you guessed it) slower. Especially during the YUM > routines. > > Do you have the target drive on the same bus as the install media (CD or > DVD)? > > If the HDD is beginning to fail, things tend to be slow as well (Try looking > at the other tty's, as IIRC a couple of them have log outputs), see if there > are any IDE retries or things of that nature. It also may need swap (IIRC > the install routine enables swap after the partitioning phase) to "speed > up". > > Once you have collected more detailed info that you can pass on, we can dig > in further. > > HTH, > jp > Other things to check would be in the Task Manager -- what program is eating up the CPU? I've seen systems (mine included) where "svchost.exe" was at 100% CPU utilization for an extended period after boot-up for no apparent reason. It seemed that it could be because over time the registry has gotten filled up with garbage, bad settings, who knows; the system has been infected with some kind of spyware or virus(es); or the HD may just need some serious housekeeping (defrag, etc.). If the program responsible for pegging the CPU is something else, we might need to do some other research on that. Al Lesmerises From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 10 19:31:20 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:31:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0908091803t757bf3c9w5f801a6a717e5a81@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A7B747A.1020204@satx.rr.com> <857431.73255.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1003aeaa0908091803t757bf3c9w5f801a6a717e5a81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A80BBD8.5060506@satx.rr.com> Henry Pugsley wrote: > You really don't want to dd the entire mbr or entire drive if the two > drives are different sizes. The geometry will be different and you > will end up with partitions that do not end on cylinder boundaries > which can cause problems with future partition changes. > > If you dd the first 446 bytes of the MBR you will pick up the boot > loader but not the partition table. Create the partitions separately > and use the copy partition feature of GParted. This is the safest way > to copy partitions to a larger or smaller drive. > > -Henry > > On 8/6/09, Tim wrote: > >> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Alan Lesmerises wrote: >> >> >>> From: Alan Lesmerises >>> Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II >>> To: "SATLUG Mail Group" >>> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:25 PM >>> I've been working on the old Compaq >>> system Art Hall had asked about cloning the old HD (from a >>> few days ago), and I've run into an issue that I can't seem >>> to find an answer for. >>> >>> I'm trying copy the boot files from the old drive to the >>> new (in a terminal window running under a live CD version of >>> GPartEd), and when I go to copy the files I need, I get an >>> error "Cannot create regular file xxxxxxxx Permission >>> denied." >>> >>> I've made sure I was operating as root (su), that the >>> drives were mounted as rw, and the rw permissions for the >>> mount points are fully open (chmod 777). I've tried >>> changing permissions on the files themselves (they're >>> -rw-------), but it won't let me. >>> >>> Does anyone recognize what's going on here and know what I >>> can do to copy these files? >>> >>> TIA. >>> >>> Al Lesmerises >>> >>> >> A few months ago I replaced the 160gig drive in my laptop with a 320 and >> while my memory isn't what it should be, I think I did with something like >> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc bs=512. Now, that probably isn't exactly right. >> And the result was my vista partition and several linux os's were copied >> over byte for byte; and my 320 is now a 160. Again a byte for byte. I >> switched drives, booted into one of the linux os's, and used gparted to >> reclaim the other 160 gig. You should be able to copy the mbr using a >> similar dd command. Just my 2 cents. >> >>> -- _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>> manage/unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> Thanks, & I've basically tried doing just that with GPartEd (although I actually used a similar type of DOS program to copy the boot sector), but I still couldn't get the system to recognize the HD as bootable. Weird ... Al Lesmerises From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 10 19:39:44 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Mon Aug 10 19:39:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450908100824x29a8db7bt77d4427cbe52b7d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <857431.73255.qm@web50005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A7C4779.6050102@satx.rr.com> <4c0ec4450908100824x29a8db7bt77d4427cbe52b7d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A80BDD0.3050700@satx.rr.com> John Pappas wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:25, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > >> Tim wrote: >> >>> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Alan Lesmerises wrote: >>> >>>> From: Alan Lesmerises >>>> Subject: [SATLUG] Hardware challenge, Part II >>>> >>>> I'm trying copy the boot files from the old drive to the >>>> new (in a terminal window running under a live CD version of >>>> GPartEd), and when I go to copy the files I need, I get an >>>> error "Cannot create regular file xxxxxxxx Permission >>>> denied." >>>> > It is a bit unclear, but I assume that you are using one of the NTFS linux > drivers (Assume ntfs-3g), and cp'ing between NTFS partitions (Both source > and destination are NTFS partitions). > > The linux NTFS drivers have no way to respect the security (NTFS > permissions) of the files, so I have not had a great amount of luck doing a > `cp` for anything but a data recovery operation (Copy files from NTFS to > other NATIVE linux FS). > > You may also want to try rsync, as that will both cut down on redundant copy > attempts and (possibily) give more useful output than a failed cp. >>>> I've made sure I was operating as root (su), that the >>>> drives were mounted as rw, and the rw permissions for the >>>> mount points are fully open (chmod 777). I've tried >>>> changing permissions on the files themselves (they're >>>> -rw-------), but it won't let me. >>>> > Suspect that the linux NTFS drivers are the cause. You may want to try > BartPE with robocopy (or xxcopy) to handle the windows to windows copy > tasks, as the BartPE has access to the SAM and can properly respect > permissions. > >> That may do the job, but it still doesn't answer the main question -- why >> can't I copy those files? What is it that cp doesn't like? > Suspect the NTFS destination. > > HTH, > jp > Yes, I was trying to transfer data from one NTFS partitioned drive to another (from a 1.6GB to an 8.4GB drive). And yes, that is I "was" trying -- I pretty much gave up on that attempt since I did have other tools to transfer the data. The real problem was getting the new drive to be recognized as bootable, and copying the files was not the real obstacle there (just an attempt to try an alternate method to get from A to B). I'm not familiar with rsync or BartPE, so I will check those out for the next time. Thanks anyway. Al Lesmerises From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 10 20:27:49 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Mon Aug 10 20:27:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Trying to install Fedora 10 on a Dell Dimension 3000 In-Reply-To: <4A80BA6E.2090709@satx.rr.com> References: <7c63fb3d0908101224x433fc584k932b4ef1f1b41735@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908101323jfa351a2r1d09257d67a98db7@mail.gmail.com> <4A80BA6E.2090709@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A80C915.7080109@satx.rr.com> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > John Pappas wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 14:24, Peter Cross wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> Trying to install F10 on a Dell Dimension 3000. However the install >>> process >>> takes about 5 minutes per page in anaconda. When I boot into windows >>> task >>> manager shows 100% CPU utilization. Any thoughts? Is the processor >>> going >>> bad? Memory? The board? Can't figure this out. >> This is not very clear. How are you loading F10 and using the >> Windows task >> manager? Will assume that you have a dual boot system, and you are >> checking >> CPU right after booting Windows. Windows takes a bit of time to finish >> loading, so on a slower PC the CPU could be pegged for a while doing >> background things. >> >> However, you want to diagnose potential hardware problems, so I will aim >> there: >> >> Quick check: BIOS seems to be OK and the system POSTs. DOes the BIOS >> reflect proper CPU, CPU speed, Memory installed, etc? >> I would then check the Power Management settings in the BIOS, as >> sometimes >> the CPU scales back and 100% is actually 100% of 30% of the CPU's >> primary Hz >> capability (even on Desktops). >> >> To check memory, I use the MemTest86+ program that is included in >> many live >> CDs, maybe even the install media for Fedora. I use SysrescueCD for my >> hardware diagnostics, but GRC's SpinRite does hard drives better. >> Both take >> a long time, so be ready to leave the machine alone for 8-24 hours >> depending >> on level of checks selected. >> >> For most linux install processes (Assume FC is the same), there are >> other >> tty's that you can get to with Ctl-Alt-Fx (where x is 1-8, and 7 is >> usually >> the GUI), just like with running linux systems. Most of the time, basic >> stuff like `ps` is available, sometimes even `top`. You could use >> that CLI >> to do some monitoring to see what is processing. Most install >> routines are >> not CPU conservative, as the theory is that it is running on a fresh, >> single >> system and will only be done once, so do it right, not fast; thus >> install >> on a slower system is (you guessed it) slower. Especially during the >> YUM >> routines. >> >> Do you have the target drive on the same bus as the install media (CD or >> DVD)? >> >> If the HDD is beginning to fail, things tend to be slow as well (Try >> looking >> at the other tty's, as IIRC a couple of them have log outputs), see >> if there >> are any IDE retries or things of that nature. It also may need swap >> (IIRC >> the install routine enables swap after the partitioning phase) to "speed >> up". >> >> Once you have collected more detailed info that you can pass on, we >> can dig >> in further. >> >> HTH, >> jp >> > > Other things to check would be in the Task Manager -- what program is > eating up the CPU? > > I've seen systems (mine included) where "svchost.exe" was at 100% CPU > utilization for an extended period after boot-up for no apparent > reason. It seemed that it could be because over time the registry has > gotten filled up with garbage, bad settings, who knows; the system has > been infected with some kind of spyware or virus(es); or the HD may > just need some serious housekeeping (defrag, etc.). > > If the program responsible for pegging the CPU is something else, we > might need to do some other research on that. > > Al Lesmerises I also forgot to mention to look for some ill-mannered programs that might be hogging the Page File. I've recently identified Firefox (for Windows) as having a memory leak issue, and if it is running with many web pages open at once (some sites are worse than others) it will leak memory faster and eat up the page file. When it starts to reach some maximum (it probably differs from system to system -- it's about 2 1/2 GB on my system) the CPU utilization goes to 100% while seemingly doing nothing. I suspect it's trying to manage the Page File as best it can ... This probably isn't the case in your situation, though, because it takes at least a little while after starting Firefox before it gets to that point. But it may shed some light on your situation if your page file is growing for no apparent reason. Al Lesmerises From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 21:52:45 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Aug 10 21:52:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build Message-ID: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Right now my webserver is a Dell Dimension L733R. 733mhz, 512megs ram, 160gig hd. Runs Apache, php, hosts 2 sites, mysql etc. I've been thinking about getting something real small, mini-itx or Atom based. I know how much power my server uses (I dont have kill-a-watt to check it with). Would a mini-itx or atom based system with a laptop hd be less of a power hog? Its not killing the budget but I wouldnt mind having something with a smaller footprint. -Alex From morfic at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 21:55:11 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Mon Aug 10 21:55:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build In-Reply-To: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10908101955h5ef3813fy67acdf5c75f62152@mail.gmail.com> Considered a plug computer? On Aug 10, 2009 9:52 PM, "Alex Bartonek" wrote: Right now my webserver is a Dell Dimension L733R. 733mhz, 512megs ram, 160gig hd. Runs Apache, php, hosts 2 sites, mysql etc. I've been thinking about getting something real small, mini-itx or Atom based. I know how much power my server uses (I dont have kill-a-watt to check it with). Would a mini-itx or atom based system with a laptop hd be less of a power hog? Its not killing the budget but I wouldnt mind having something with a smaller footprint. -Alex -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From edeleonjr at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 22:01:02 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Mon Aug 10 22:01:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce10908101955h5ef3813fy67acdf5c75f62152@mail.gmail.com> References: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <13bb8ce10908101955h5ef3813fy67acdf5c75f62152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure which one would use less power between the mini-itx and the atom. Atom is powering the netbooks, so I would lean toward that one. I can definitely tell you that ARM processors are some of the lowest in terms of power consumption. I turned my NSLU2 (slug) into a web server and it hardly consumes any power. Now remember that performance will suffer severely down at those levels of power saving. It is a 266 MHz ARM proc with 32 MB RAM if my memory serves me correct. I would say that getting a netbook or nettop with an atom proc should do you fine. Heck, even a new PC from Dell with a modest C2D would probably consume less power than what you have now. Look on the Dell outlet site. Sometimes you come across a few really cheap. An older laptop with a Centrino proc set is also a good choice. E On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Daniel Goller wrote: > Considered a plug computer? > > On Aug 10, 2009 9:52 PM, "Alex Bartonek" > wrote: > > > Right now my webserver is a Dell Dimension L733R. 733mhz, 512megs ram, > 160gig hd. Runs Apache, php, hosts 2 sites, mysql etc. > > I've been thinking about getting something real small, mini-itx or Atom > based. I know how much power my server uses (I dont have kill-a-watt to > check it with). Would a mini-itx or atom based system with a laptop hd be > less of a power hog? Its not killing the budget but I wouldnt mind having > something with a smaller footprint. > > > -Alex > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 22:10:50 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Aug 10 22:10:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce10908101955h5ef3813fy67acdf5c75f62152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <164659.30381.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I might have heard of it.. I'll google it to check it out. thanks --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Daniel Goller wrote: > From: Daniel Goller > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:55 PM > Considered a plug computer? > > On Aug 10, 2009 9:52 PM, "Alex Bartonek" > wrote: > > > Right now my webserver is a Dell Dimension L733R. 733mhz, > 512megs ram, > 160gig hd.? Runs Apache, php, hosts 2 sites, mysql > etc. > > I've been thinking about getting something real small, > mini-itx or Atom > based.? I know how much power my server uses (I dont > have kill-a-watt to > check it with).? Would a mini-itx or atom based system > with a laptop hd be > less of a power hog?? Its not killing the budget but I > wouldnt mind having > something with a smaller footprint. > > > -Alex > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 01:44:55 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Tue Aug 11 01:45:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> I'm sorry I don't have a cell phone. I did try something else they said you could do over the weekend..You can call from any phone anyplace which is mighty cool. I msde a GVoice call from my mom's house...the call quality is awesome no matter which phone pr location you call from. To place a call from another phone, you just dial into the GVoice system, which is you G number. Hit * to get to the menu to check messages or option 2 is to place a long distance call. Hit 2 then it will ask for your PIN number, after than just dial the area code and number you want to call...Do NOT dial 1 plus area code and number...just area code and number... c On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM, John Pappas wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 09:55, Brian McKinney wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, John Pappas wrote: > > > > > > I even use the GV iPhone App, not > > > perfect (ie no bluetooth use for headset, so must "listen" to "visual > > > voicemail" via holding it up to my ear, organizing voicemail is best > done > > > via Web interface, etc)) > > > > > > Are you able to send and recieve SMS through the GV iphone app, for > > instance if you don't have a text message plan? > > > I have not used the SMS capability extensively, so I cannot answer > definitively, but Apple has pulled the GV app from the app store: > > LongURL: > > http://www.maclife.com/article/feature/how_google_voice_debacle_hurting_thirdparty_developershttp://www.maclife.com/article/feature/how_google_voice_debacle_hurting_thirdparty_developers > > ShortURL: http://tinyurl.com/m2nbxr > > FWIW, > jp > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From jaret at aberlorn.com Tue Aug 11 09:07:24 2009 From: jaret at aberlorn.com (jaret) Date: Tue Aug 11 09:14:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build In-Reply-To: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A817B1C.2030807@aberlorn.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > I've been thinking about getting something real small, mini-itx or Atom based. I know how much power my server uses (I dont have kill-a-watt to check it with). Would a mini-itx or atom based system with a laptop hd be less of a power hog? Its not killing the budget but I wouldnt mind having something with a smaller footprint. > > I've been using a $140 Atom book-size, 60W, 1.6MGhz, and added on 2G Ram, dual 750G hard-drive (using regular hard drives and not laptop hds). It runs very quiet and I've notice no lag in accessing the drive remotely or for services, web or file. I use it internally. I'm using it with Ubuntu Server. I'm very satisfied with the Atom and recently bought a second one. I also have a Via C7 mini-itx book-size and b/c of the hardware 1.2 MGhz, I can tell a definite speed difference in starting up. Once everything is loaded in memory runs fast and fine. The on-board Lan worked with Debian and Ubuntu installs. Also watch out that nic driver's won't bite you later on. I bought a lan extension card for the Via, which is based on Realtek 82110SC net chip, and the card is yet to be recognized by Linux. Google's solutions were incomplete. ~Jaret From satlug at net153.net Tue Aug 11 13:41:26 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue Aug 11 13:41:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build In-Reply-To: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A81BB56.8010009@net153.net> Alex Bartonek wrote: > Right now my webserver is a Dell Dimension L733R. 733mhz, 512megs ram, 160gig hd. Runs Apache, php, hosts 2 sites, mysql etc. > > I've been thinking about getting something real small, mini-itx or Atom based. I know how much power my server uses (I dont have kill-a-watt to check it with). Would a mini-itx or atom based system with a laptop hd be less of a power hog? Its not killing the budget but I wouldnt mind having something with a smaller footprint. > > > -Alex > > > My server just went out too. I bought this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121383 It has the dual core atom. I measured it drawing about 38 watts idle and 45 under cpu load. That is just the motherboard and one hard drive. The power supply I am using is very old. I would imagine that buying a new "green" psu would knock off 5-10 watts, plus use a laptop hard drive instead and that would knock off another 5-8 watts. The board has very small heatsinks. They don't work too good and the small fan is noisy so I took the fan off and hung a big case fan in front of it with string. Sam From morfic at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 13:52:00 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Tue Aug 11 13:52:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build In-Reply-To: <164659.30381.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <13bb8ce10908101955h5ef3813fy67acdf5c75f62152@mail.gmail.com> <164659.30381.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10908111152g3c0916y73f00cc100becdbf@mail.gmail.com> "The plug uses low power to conserve energy and draws on average, less than five watts under normal operation compared to 25-100 watts for a PC being used as a home server." http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp "The platform is built using Marvell?s Kirkwood seriessystem-on-chip (SoC) design with a 1.2GHz Marvell Sheeva? CPU processor equipped, 512Mbytes of FLASH and 512Mbytes of DRAM. The plug also features a 2.0 USB port to allow users to run applications that require a hard disk or other peripheral." I haven't bought mine yet, considering what my lowly NSLU2 is capable off, this little treasure would keep power usage down, while allowing more thing to be done on the machine. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Alex Bartonek < bartonekdragracing@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I might have heard of it.. I'll google it to check it out. thanks > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Daniel Goller wrote: > > > From: Daniel Goller > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:55 PM > > Considered a plug computer? > > > > On Aug 10, 2009 9:52 PM, "Alex Bartonek" > > wrote: > > > > > > Right now my webserver is a Dell Dimension L733R. 733mhz, > > 512megs ram, > > 160gig hd. Runs Apache, php, hosts 2 sites, mysql > > etc. > > > > I've been thinking about getting something real small, > > mini-itx or Atom > > based. I know how much power my server uses (I dont > > have kill-a-watt to > > check it with). Would a mini-itx or atom based system > > with a laptop hd be > > less of a power hog? Its not killing the budget but I > > wouldnt mind having > > something with a smaller footprint. > > > > > > -Alex > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From president at satlug.org Tue Aug 11 14:53:55 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Tue Aug 11 14:54:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Wednesday night / SATLUG Shirts. Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0908111253v1538052es98d08d789a529d94@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, A reminder that the meeting is tomorrow (Wednesday) night at 7pm. Howard has graciously agreed to bring in live cd's of some new distributions so we can see how they compare. I also will have the SATLUG shirts with me at the meeting. There are 4 pkgs I am mailing to out-of-town folks this week. (Matt, Mike Sullivan,Brad, Geoff that means you) Ouf of everybody else, let me know if you won't make the meeting so we can make arrangements to meet this weekend or next week. (Please use the president email address & respond off-list) Sorry for taking so long. Things are finally beginning to settle down & I can now have a chance to take a breath. Jim From wn5pmr at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 19:49:17 2009 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Tue Aug 11 19:49:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Wednesday night / SATLUG Shirts. In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0908111253v1538052es98d08d789a529d94@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0908111253v1538052es98d08d789a529d94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A82118D.9000102@gmail.com> Jim Wells, President wrote: > Hello all, > > A reminder that the meeting is tomorrow (Wednesday) night at 7pm. > Howard has graciously agreed to bring in live cd's of some new > distributions so we can see how they compare. > > I also will have the SATLUG shirts with me at the meeting. There are > 4 pkgs I am mailing to out-of-town folks this week. (Matt, Mike > Sullivan,Brad, Geoff that means you) Ouf of everybody else, let me > know if you won't make the meeting so we can make arrangements to meet > this weekend or next week. (Please use the president email address & > respond off-list) > > Sorry for taking so long. Things are finally beginning to settle down > & I can now have a chance to take a breath. > > Jim > Me. . . . . Mike Sullivan ? Mike From misteratomic at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 23:09:34 2009 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Tue Aug 11 23:09:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Alternate Meeting Location for August Meeting? Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60908112109q3d068f19x41e02b2bd6adb1ce@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the info Howard but I think I'll pass on driving to the meet. I don't wish to risk a citation. With hopes for a more convenient venue in the future, I might try the bus again. In the past, it used to be a straight shot back and forth. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > > AFAIK we will meet at SAC per our website. ?I have parked > for numerous SATLUG events in the Nail parking lot and only > received one ticket which I took to Steve Kolars, and he got > it fixed with the campus police. ?He advises us to put a sign > on our dashboard saying "Attending SAC sponsored event > in the Nail Center". ? See you on Wed evening. > > HH > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX ?USA > From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 09:34:39 2009 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Wed Aug 12 09:34:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Wednesday night / SATLUG Shirts. In-Reply-To: <4A82118D.9000102@gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0908111253v1538052es98d08d789a529d94@mail.gmail.com> <4A82118D.9000102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0908120734i11a53a95iac0748c94b90e65@mail.gmail.com> Yes you. I am going by the post office this week & getting the shirts mailed out. God, things have been a bitch with my grandmother the past two weeks. She fell out of the wheelchair a week ago last Friday & split her head wide open. Instead of just stiches she has STAPLES holding it shut. Mike, did you have as many problems with your mother? Or am I just having it worse? Have a great day my friend. Am hoping to get on HF this weekend sometime. Who knows, maybe I'll manage to hear YOU on the air. 73, Jim > Me. . . . . Mike Sullivan ? > > Mike > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bkfuth at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 10:35:39 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Wed Aug 12 10:35:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0908120835j152a10a1m9c74428585960158@mail.gmail.com> No one gave me a call, but I remembered anyway. Yes, miracles do happen. Parking will not be a problem tonight. You should have your selection of parking spaces--there are no night classes tonight. We will be meeting in the basement--I will put signs up. We will be back in the lab where we met for years--right across from the elevator. We may want to be in the parking lot to catch the Comet Swift-Tuttle just before moon rise. See y'all tonight. Jim, if you are going to be there tonight please bring my shirt. Steve -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 10:38:16 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Aug 12 10:38:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0908120835j152a10a1m9c74428585960158@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0908120835j152a10a1m9c74428585960158@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0908120838k31e84d00xa43d9ec1e506f030@mail.gmail.com> Is there an address to use for the building. This will be the first meeting for me and don't want to get lost tonight. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:35 AM, steve kolars wrote: > No one gave me a call, but I remembered anyway. Yes, miracles do happen. > Parking will not be a problem tonight. You should have your selection of > parking spaces--there are no night classes tonight. We will be meeting in > the basement--I will put signs up. We will be back in the lab where we met > for years--right across from the elevator. We may want to be in the > parking > lot to catch the Comet Swift-Tuttle just before moon rise. See y'all > tonight. Jim, if you are going to be there tonight please bring my shirt. > > Steve > > -- > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From hharadon at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 10:57:09 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Wed Aug 12 10:57:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0908120838k31e84d00xa43d9ec1e506f030@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0908120835j152a10a1m9c74428585960158@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0908120838k31e84d00xa43d9ec1e506f030@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Peter Cross wrote: > Is there an address to use for the building. This will be the first meeting > for me and don't want to get lost tonight. > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX Look at the satlug.org main page and find the "this map" link. It has your information. See you there, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 11:29:23 2009 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Wed Aug 12 11:29:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Wednesday night / SATLUG Shirts. In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0908120734i11a53a95iac0748c94b90e65@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0908111253v1538052es98d08d789a529d94@mail.gmail.com> <4A82118D.9000102@gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0908120734i11a53a95iac0748c94b90e65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0908120929i3ad3551asdd44c40f5120aba6@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for not verifying that the message was sent directly to me and not to the list. Well I certainly won't make that mistake again. At least I HOPE not. :-) Jim On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Jim Wells wrote: > Yes you. ?I am going by the post office this week & getting the shirts From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 12:17:42 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Wed Aug 12 12:17:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba problems. In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0908121010h69316559rd437c7c919f4b1a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908121010h69316559rd437c7c919f4b1a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247a04a0908121017v707306c0xd23007825914b232@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks, I am trying to configure a samba share for our beloved SAP admins (NOT!!) and I am having a little problem. they want a read/write share on one particular sever be available at all times and accessible w/o password, so I have setup the following configuration..... [global] workgroup = XYZ security = ADS realm = XYZ.LOCAL netbios name = sambasrv map to guest = Bad User logon path = \\%L\profiles\.msprofile logon home = \\%L\%U\.9xprofile logon drive = P: usershare allow guests = No hosts deny = ALL hosts allow = 127.0.0.1 10.20.30.155/32 [sapmnt] security = SHARE comment = /usr/sap from SAMBA server path = /usr/sap read only = No force user = sap2adm force group = sapsys force create mode = 0660 directory mask = 0775 force directory mode = 0755 however, when I try to mount the share from a different location, the SAMBA server allows me to do that. I've switched the order back and forth of the "hosts deny" and "hosts allow" directives without success... thank you, Enrique Sanchez. -- Enrique Sanchez Vela ------------------------------------------ "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ From richard.maynard at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 12:27:46 2009 From: richard.maynard at gmail.com (Richard Maynard) Date: Wed Aug 12 12:27:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba problems. In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0908121017v707306c0xd23007825914b232@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908121010h69316559rd437c7c919f4b1a5@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908121017v707306c0xd23007825914b232@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c5b55440908121027h6456dc77l42f9dd2be3566236@mail.gmail.com> Samba does most restrictive permissions for it's shares, so your hosts deny=ALL will cause the connection to be denied. You can omit that from your configuration, by default if there is a hosts allow entry, any host not on the hosts allow is denied. I'm not a Samba expert, but it's my understanding the main purpose of hosts deny is to remove hosts from an allow list that you've set, or to reject specific hosts from accessing the share. -- Richard On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Enrique Sanchez < esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey folks, I am trying to configure a samba share for our beloved SAP > admins (NOT!!) and I am having a little problem. > > they want a read/write share on one particular sever be available at > all times and accessible w/o password, so I have setup the following > configuration..... > > > [global] > workgroup = XYZ > security = ADS > realm = XYZ.LOCAL > netbios name = sambasrv > map to guest = Bad User > logon path = \\%L\profiles\.msprofile > logon home = \\%L\%U\.9xprofile > logon drive = P: > usershare allow guests = No > hosts deny = ALL > hosts allow = 127.0.0.1 10.20.30.155/32 > > [sapmnt] > security = SHARE > comment = /usr/sap from SAMBA server > path = /usr/sap > read only = No > force user = sap2adm > force group = sapsys > force create mode = 0660 > directory mask = 0775 > force directory mode = 0755 > > > however, when I try to mount the share from a different location, the > SAMBA server allows me to do that. > > I've switched the order back and forth of the "hosts deny" and "hosts > allow" directives without success... > > thank you, > Enrique Sanchez. > > > -- > Enrique Sanchez Vela > ------------------------------------------ > "What you have been obliged to discover > by yourself leaves a path in your mind > which you can use again when the need > arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg > http://themathcircle.org/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Richard Maynard From j at jvpappas.net Wed Aug 12 12:29:28 2009 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Wed Aug 12 12:29:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba problems. In-Reply-To: <2c5b55440908121027h6456dc77l42f9dd2be3566236@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908121010h69316559rd437c7c919f4b1a5@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908121017v707306c0xd23007825914b232@mail.gmail.com> <2c5b55440908121027h6456dc77l42f9dd2be3566236@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450908121029h48365132x358300294c2b5d7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:27, Richard Maynard wrote: > Samba does most restrictive permissions for it's shares, so your hosts > deny=ALL will cause the connection to be denied. You can omit that from > your > configuration, by default if there is a hosts allow entry, any host not on > the hosts allow is denied. > > I'm not a Samba expert, but it's my understanding the main purpose of hosts > deny is to remove hosts from an allow list that you've set, or to reject > specific hosts from accessing the share. > > -- > Richard > Agree. Let us know, but I expect that this will solve your problem... > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Enrique Sanchez < > esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey folks, I am trying to configure a samba share for our beloved SAP > > admins (NOT!!) and I am having a little problem. > > > > they want a read/write share on one particular sever be available at > > all times and accessible w/o password, so I have setup the following > > configuration..... > > > > > > [global] > > workgroup = XYZ > > security = ADS > > realm = XYZ.LOCAL > > netbios name = sambasrv > > map to guest = Bad User > > logon path = \\%L\profiles\.msprofile > > logon home = \\%L\%U\.9xprofile > > logon drive = P: > > usershare allow guests = No > > hosts deny = ALL > > hosts allow = 127.0.0.1 10.20.30.155/32 > > > > [sapmnt] > > security = SHARE > > comment = /usr/sap from SAMBA server > > path = /usr/sap > > read only = No > > force user = sap2adm > > force group = sapsys > > force create mode = 0660 > > directory mask = 0775 > > force directory mode = 0755 > > > > > > however, when I try to mount the share from a different location, the > > SAMBA server allows me to do that. > > > > I've switched the order back and forth of the "hosts deny" and "hosts > > allow" directives without success... > > > > thank you, > > Enrique Sanchez. > > > > > > -- > > Enrique Sanchez Vela > > ------------------------------------------ > > "What you have been obliged to discover > > by yourself leaves a path in your mind > > which you can use again when the need > > arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg > > http://themathcircle.org/ > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Richard Maynard > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Aug 12 12:34:59 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Aug 12 12:35:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba problems. In-Reply-To: <2c5b55440908121027h6456dc77l42f9dd2be3566236@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908121010h69316559rd437c7c919f4b1a5@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908121017v707306c0xd23007825914b232@mail.gmail.com> <2c5b55440908121027h6456dc77l42f9dd2be3566236@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1250098499.8181.1.camel@redpill-laptop> I concur, its much easier to use a host allow list, then a host deny. see http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/server_security.html for furth info on this topic Todd On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 12:27 -0500, Richard Maynard wrote: > Samba does most restrictive permissions for it's shares, so your hosts > deny=ALL will cause the connection to be denied. You can omit that from your > configuration, by default if there is a hosts allow entry, any host not on > the hosts allow is denied. > > I'm not a Samba expert, but it's my understanding the main purpose of hosts > deny is to remove hosts from an allow list that you've set, or to reject > specific hosts from accessing the share. > > -- > Richard > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Enrique Sanchez < > esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey folks, I am trying to configure a samba share for our beloved SAP > > admins (NOT!!) and I am having a little problem. > > > > they want a read/write share on one particular sever be available at > > all times and accessible w/o password, so I have setup the following > > configuration..... > > > > > > [global] > > workgroup = XYZ > > security = ADS > > realm = XYZ.LOCAL > > netbios name = sambasrv > > map to guest = Bad User > > logon path = \\%L\profiles\.msprofile > > logon home = \\%L\%U\.9xprofile > > logon drive = P: > > usershare allow guests = No > > hosts deny = ALL > > hosts allow = 127.0.0.1 10.20.30.155/32 > > > > [sapmnt] > > security = SHARE > > comment = /usr/sap from SAMBA server > > path = /usr/sap > > read only = No > > force user = sap2adm > > force group = sapsys > > force create mode = 0660 > > directory mask = 0775 > > force directory mode = 0755 > > > > > > however, when I try to mount the share from a different location, the > > SAMBA server allows me to do that. > > > > I've switched the order back and forth of the "hosts deny" and "hosts > > allow" directives without success... > > > > thank you, > > Enrique Sanchez. > > > > > > -- > > Enrique Sanchez Vela > > ------------------------------------------ > > "What you have been obliged to discover > > by yourself leaves a path in your mind > > which you can use again when the need > > arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg > > http://themathcircle.org/ > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Richard Maynard From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 12:35:38 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Wed Aug 12 12:35:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Samba problems. In-Reply-To: <2c5b55440908121027h6456dc77l42f9dd2be3566236@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908121010h69316559rd437c7c919f4b1a5@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908121017v707306c0xd23007825914b232@mail.gmail.com> <2c5b55440908121027h6456dc77l42f9dd2be3566236@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247a04a0908121035y5222108arc7186c296385b514@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Richard Maynard wrote: > Samba does most restrictive permissions for it's shares, so your hosts > deny=ALL will cause the connection to be denied. You can omit that from your > configuration, by default if there is a hosts allow entry, any host not on > the hosts allow is denied. > > I'm not a Samba expert, but it's my understanding the main purpose of hosts > deny is to remove hosts from an allow list that you've set, or to reject > specific hosts from accessing the share. > > -- > Richard > well, something is wrong as I am still able to mount the share with or without the "hosts deny" from a different host, guess it is time to call support From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 14:53:32 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Wed Aug 12 14:53:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? Message-ID: <869de8470908121253g747a922ck804f306e82c91fa5@mail.gmail.com> Hello Satluggers... I'm in a real bind here and am hoping that someone can share some advice on what is needed to get-r-dun. :P I downloaded and installed CentOS5 (i386) onto a hard drive for my Neoware CA-5 and when I put it in the Neoware, it was caught in a boot loop. Right after grub would load the initrd for the kernel, it'd reboot. I did some research on this and it ends up that the issue is that the kernel is compiled for i686 and not i386. I managed to get the Neoware to run after installing Ubuntu Server 9.04 (x86) on it but was wanting something more Red-Hat ish on this device. Are we now at an era where a distro that is advertised as being i386? I know it's possible to compile the kernel for everything from a toaster to a supercomputing cluster and remember the fun of setting up Redhat 6.2 on many an embedded device but then again, that was ages ago and things have changed.. a lot. Has anyone else run across this situation regarding embedded (non beige-box) situations? What do you recommend for a device with no CDROM/Floppy and (to my dismay) does not network boot. What are your experiences with working with embedded class devices? FIRESTORM_v1 From bkfuth at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 16:13:00 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Wed Aug 12 16:13:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0908120838k31e84d00xa43d9ec1e506f030@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0908120835j152a10a1m9c74428585960158@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0908120838k31e84d00xa43d9ec1e506f030@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0908121413p73e50519ybebde2bb21ec3a9d@mail.gmail.com> Where are you coming from? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Peter Cross wrote: > Is there an address to use for the building. This will be the first meeting > for me and don't want to get lost tonight. > > From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 16:16:53 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Aug 12 16:16:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0908121413p73e50519ybebde2bb21ec3a9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0908120835j152a10a1m9c74428585960158@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0908120838k31e84d00xa43d9ec1e506f030@mail.gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0908121413p73e50519ybebde2bb21ec3a9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0908121416s111a0f1cm9a2f3bc3a14a4575@mail.gmail.com> 35 and Toepperwein up on the NE side of town On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:13 PM, steve kolars wrote: > Where are you coming from? > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Peter Cross wrote: > > > Is there an address to use for the building. This will be the first > meeting > > for me and don't want to get lost tonight. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From bkfuth at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 16:36:28 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Wed Aug 12 16:36:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0908121416s111a0f1cm9a2f3bc3a14a4575@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0908120835j152a10a1m9c74428585960158@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0908120838k31e84d00xa43d9ec1e506f030@mail.gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0908121413p73e50519ybebde2bb21ec3a9d@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0908121416s111a0f1cm9a2f3bc3a14a4575@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0908121436h134ef0d1yf58603c1ec7f8e78@mail.gmail.com> Come down 35. After you pass the Rittiman Rd and the 410 cutoff get in next to the leftmost lane--and stay there. As you begin to come into downtown San Antonio (and you are still in the second leftmost lane) the road splits to upper and lower decks. You will be in the right lane of the lower deck. The very first exit will have a sign for San Antonio College. Take the very first exit. Stay on the access road (right most lane) until you get to San Pedro Ave. Turn right on San Sedro Ave. You will now be headed north on San Pedro Ave. Stay in the rightmost lane. You will go several blocks until you get to W. Park. The VIA main office will be on your left, and you will have just past a Bill Miller BBQ on your right. Turn right on W. Park. Make the second left into the parking lot on your left. The two story brick building with construction going on is the Nail Technical Center. If you look up there is a large aluminum number 6 on the end of the building. The meeting will be in room 213A. Top floor, southeast corner. Park anywhere reasonable, except handicapped spaces--unless you have a handicapped pass. If you get lost my cell number is (210) 414-9779. Steve From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 16:38:15 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Aug 12 16:38:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0908121436h134ef0d1yf58603c1ec7f8e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0908120835j152a10a1m9c74428585960158@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0908120838k31e84d00xa43d9ec1e506f030@mail.gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0908121413p73e50519ybebde2bb21ec3a9d@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0908121416s111a0f1cm9a2f3bc3a14a4575@mail.gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0908121436h134ef0d1yf58603c1ec7f8e78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0908121438i59f1297cna49150be9699ddab@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Steve On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM, steve kolars wrote: > Come down 35. After you pass the Rittiman Rd and the 410 cutoff get in > next > to the leftmost lane--and stay there. As you begin to come into downtown > San Antonio (and you are still in the second leftmost lane) the road splits > to upper and lower decks. You will be in the right lane of the lower deck. > The very first exit will have a sign for San Antonio College. Take the > very > first exit. Stay on the access road (right most lane) until you get to San > Pedro Ave. Turn right on San Sedro Ave. You will now be headed north on > San Pedro Ave. Stay in the rightmost lane. You will go several blocks > until you get to W. Park. The VIA main office will be on your left, and > you > will have just past a Bill Miller BBQ on your right. Turn right on W. > Park. Make the second left into the parking lot on your left. The two > story brick building with construction going on is the Nail Technical > Center. If you look up there is a large aluminum number 6 on the end of > the > building. The meeting will be in room 213A. Top floor, southeast corner. > Park anywhere reasonable, except handicapped spaces--unless you have a > handicapped pass. If you get lost my cell number is (210) 414-9779. > > Steve > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 19:19:16 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Aug 12 19:19:38 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <869de8470908121253g747a922ck804f306e82c91fa5@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470908121253g747a922ck804f306e82c91fa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908121719p594a1161ic22df7c8484d7f2@mail.gmail.com> Oh wow! Now I need to know just what constitutes an i686 ...and maybe what an i386 is. I thought I knew...Guess not..c On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Hello Satluggers... > > I'm in a real bind here and am hoping that someone can share some > advice on what is needed to get-r-dun. :P > > I downloaded and installed CentOS5 (i386) onto a hard drive for my > Neoware CA-5 and when I put it in the Neoware, it was caught in a boot > loop. Right after grub would load the initrd for the kernel, it'd > reboot. > > I did some research on this and it ends up that the issue is that the > kernel is compiled for i686 and not i386. I managed to get the Neoware > to run after installing Ubuntu Server 9.04 (x86) on it but was wanting > something more Red-Hat ish on this device. > > Are we now at an era where a distro that is advertised as being i386? > I know it's possible to compile the kernel for everything from a > toaster to a supercomputing cluster and remember the fun of setting up > Redhat 6.2 on many an embedded device but then again, that was ages > ago and things have changed.. a lot. > > Has anyone else run across this situation regarding embedded (non > beige-box) situations? What do you recommend for a device with no > CDROM/Floppy and (to my dismay) does not network boot. What are your > experiences with working with embedded class devices? > > FIRESTORM_v1 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed Aug 12 20:31:21 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed Aug 12 20:31:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? Message-ID: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >Oh wow! Now I need to know just what constitutes an i686 ..and maybe what an i386 is. I thought I knew...Guess not ---------------------------------------------------------- Refers the the lowest level of processor compatibility. Current distributions are now dropping the i386 and settling for the i686 (eg. AMD K6 processor). It was kept low (i386) mainly for people in the third world countries, that either didn't have access or wherewithall to obatin a more advanced processor. hth Lou From morfic at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 20:38:08 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Wed Aug 12 20:38:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10908121838m68db7dcfha512e8b6508ff762@mail.gmail.com> I686 is still pretty low tech, everything since pentium pro is i686. On Aug 12, 2009 8:31 PM, "scs@worldlinkisp.com" wrote: >Oh wow! Now I need to know just what constitutes an i686 ..and maybe what an i386 is. I thought I... ---------------------------------------------------------- Refers the the lowest level of processor compatibility. Current distributions are now dropping the i386 and settling for the i686 (eg. AMD K6 processor). It was kept low (i386) mainly for people in the third world countries, that either didn't have access or wherewithall to obatin a more advanced processor. hth Lou -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.s... From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 21:17:28 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Aug 12 21:17:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <425703.19925.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> yep.. and i686 are optimized versions of the code. --- On Wed, 8/12/09, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > From: scs@worldlinkisp.com > Subject: RE: Re: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 8:31 PM > >Oh wow!? Now I need to know > just what constitutes an > i686 > ..and maybe what an i386 is.? I thought I > knew...Guess not > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Refers the the lowest level of processor compatibility. > Current distributions are now dropping the i386 and > settling > for the i686 (eg. AMD K6 processor). > > It was kept low (i386) mainly for people in the third > world > countries, that either didn't have access or > wherewithall to > obatin a more advanced processor. > > hth? Lou > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From gregswift at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 21:32:00 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Wed Aug 12 21:32:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70908121932y951f3f1y733ab479c76ba2a3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 20:31, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >Oh wow! Now I need to know just what constitutes an > i686 > ..and maybe what an i386 is. I thought I > knew...Guess not > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Refers the the lowest level of processor compatibility. > Current distributions are now dropping the i386 and > settling > for the i686 (eg. AMD K6 processor). > > It was kept low (i386) mainly for people in the third > world > countries, that either didn't have access or > wherewithall to > obatin a more advanced processor. > > hth Lou > > Whats interesting is that he is having the issue on CENTOS 5, because according to Fedora 11's feature list, they just started dropping i386 building in favor of i586. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ArchitectureSupport I didn't realize RHEL/CENTOS did this different from Fedora. -greg From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 22:24:15 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Wed Aug 12 22:24:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908122024j4f66698en9d9e3fa8df290dc3@mail.gmail.com> I thpoought it was kept because so many ppl still run really older machines..these older i386's tend to run great Linux...too bad they dropped the i386. Most everyone I know is running on them...seniors and older folks anyway...c so what architecture or proceesor would an i686 be then? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:31 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >Oh wow! Now I need to know just what constitutes an > i686 > ..and maybe what an i386 is. I thought I > knew...Guess not > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Refers the the lowest level of processor compatibility. > Current distributions are now dropping the i386 and > settling > for the i686 (eg. AMD K6 processor). > > It was kept low (i386) mainly for people in the third > world > countries, that either didn't have access or > wherewithall to > obatin a more advanced processor. > > hth Lou > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From morfic at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 22:34:53 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Wed Aug 12 22:34:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908122024j4f66698en9d9e3fa8df290dc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <7e4994a70908122024j4f66698en9d9e3fa8df290dc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10908122034t3e55504aldf7ce1df78596288@mail.gmail.com> Pentium pro was first i686 and all x86 and x86_64 since will run it too On Aug 12, 2009 10:24 PM, "Cheryl Holmes" wrote: I thpoought it was kept because so many ppl still run really older machines..these older i386's tend to run great Linux...too bad they dropped the i386. Most everyone I know is running on them...seniors and older folks anyway...c so what architecture or proceesor would an i686 be then? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:31 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > >Oh wow! Now I need to know just what constitutes an > i686 > ..and maybe what an i386 is. I th... -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, dev... SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsu... From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 22:46:54 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Aug 12 22:46:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908122024j4f66698en9d9e3fa8df290dc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <7e4994a70908122024j4f66698en9d9e3fa8df290dc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A838CAE.1080405@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I thpoought it was kept because so many ppl still run really older > machines..these older i386's tend to run great Linux...too bad they dropped > the i386. Most everyone I know is running on them...seniors and older folks > anyway...c Well the i386 was first in production in 1986. The i486 in 1989. The maximum clock speed for a i386 was 40MHz. No software even halfway modern would run on it. The i386 was produced through 2007, but that was for embedded purposes. I doubt that a 386 based PC system has been available for at least 15 years. -- Bruce From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Aug 12 23:41:01 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Aug 12 23:41:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] smallest/lowest power/cost server build In-Reply-To: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <889861.16428.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200908122341.01806.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 10 August 2009 09:52:45 pm Alex Bartonek wrote: [...] > I've been thinking about getting something real small, mini-itx or Atom > based. I know how much power my server uses (I dont have kill-a-watt to > check it with). Last month at XCSSA we had a presentation my Tim S. on building an ulrta low power DIY NAS system (with hot swap RAID+LVM) using Ubuntu IIRC. I think that he used a VIA C7 based mobo with no moving parts, and an ultra low power SATA drives. Ahh.. here it is: http://www.e-itx.com/via-epia-sn10000eg.html I'm still looking for his slide deck to post on http://xcssa.org/files if you're interested, let me know and I'll flag you as soon as I post them. Either that or you can drop Tim a line on the XCSSA list. Tweeks From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 02:08:03 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Thu Aug 13 02:08:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] My Linux Blog Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I've created a new blog that's very informative. I'd like people who are interested to subscribe and post what they would like to see. I'm also in the process of writing a book. Here's the link. http://linuxinovations.blogspot.com/ - -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.8) iEYEARECAAYFAkqDu9IACgkQxp8Ys+E7CQk0MgCfVElqyLZrI6oIKP56dhdoH/uk /SwAn3I7UgcvSLQ8a24cCNNRR3lfAMOp =HyDI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 03:21:18 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Thu Aug 13 03:21:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vim on redhat. Message-ID: <1247a04a0908130121k52d5f918t480d3c0dbf98ad86@mail.gmail.com> I just read an article in a magazine regarding the VIM packages in redhat and I just happen to have a request to install the complete version, I ran a query using yum but it did not retrun anything significant, it might well be I am not looking for the right term. I ran the yum search vim and only got two entries.... vim-common.i386 and vim-minimal.i386 but it looks like I have these already installed, I'd appreciate if anyone can point me into the complete version of the package. thank you, esv. -- Enrique Sanchez Vela ------------------------------------------ "What you have been obliged to discover by yourself leaves a path in your mind which you can use again when the need arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg http://themathcircle.org/ From bkfuth at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 03:31:27 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Thu Aug 13 03:31:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vim on redhat. In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0908130121k52d5f918t480d3c0dbf98ad86@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908130121k52d5f918t480d3c0dbf98ad86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0908130131s79a8969kbfc5ab0b4b4d62dc@mail.gmail.com> Enrique, I do not have my Linux machine here. Do a "yum search vim". You want to do a "Yum install vim-enhanced-blah-blah-blah". Obviously the search will tell you what to fill in for the blah blah blah. For some reason Redhat ships a very striped down version of vim. What is vim without the bells and whistles? Go figure. If your "yum search vim" only turns up the two it gave you before it gave you before you can always go to vim.org, get the latest tarball, and install vim from source. It is a very easy install. Steve On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Enrique Sanchez < esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > I just read an article in a magazine regarding the VIM packages in > redhat and I just happen to have a request to install the complete > version, I ran a query using yum but it did not retrun anything > significant, it might well be I am not looking for the right term. > > I ran the yum search vim and only got two entries.... > > vim-common.i386 and vim-minimal.i386 > > but it looks like I have these already installed, I'd appreciate if > anyone can point me into the complete version of the package. > > > thank you, > esv. > > > -- > Enrique Sanchez Vela > ------------------------------------------ > "What you have been obliged to discover > by yourself leaves a path in your mind > which you can use again when the need > arises." --G. C. Lichtenberg > http://themathcircle.org/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 06:33:49 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Thu Aug 13 06:33:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vim on redhat. In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0908130131s79a8969kbfc5ab0b4b4d62dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908130121k52d5f918t480d3c0dbf98ad86@mail.gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0908130131s79a8969kbfc5ab0b4b4d62dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247a04a0908130433l5daa8889ke0a4fd93c356a052@mail.gmail.com> thanks but I need the RPM On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:31 AM, steve kolars wrote: > Enrique, > > I do not have my Linux machine here. Do a "yum search vim". You want to do > a "Yum install vim-enhanced-blah-blah-blah". Obviously the search will tell > you what to fill in for the blah blah blah. For some reason Redhat ships a > very striped down version of vim. What is vim without the bells and > whistles? Go figure. > > If your "yum search vim" only turns up the two it gave you before it gave > you before you can always go to vim.org, get the latest tarball, and install > vim from source. It is a very easy install. > > Steve > > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Aug 13 08:03:52 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Aug 13 08:03:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > I'm sorry I don't have a cell phone. > > I did try something else they said you could do over the weekend..You can > call from any phone anyplace which is mighty cool. I msde a GVoice call > from my mom's house...the call quality is awesome no matter which phone pr > location you call from. > > To place a call from another phone, you just dial into the GVoice system, > which is you G number. Hit * to get to the menu to check messages or option > 2 is to place a long distance call. Hit 2 then it will ask for your PIN > number, after than just dial the area code and number you want to call...Do > NOT dial 1 plus area code and number...just area code and number... > c > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM, John Pappas wrote: I live in Houston, now. After all this talk about google voice, I signed up for an invite. Got it. Got the number I wanted. and it's a 210 number. Here in my apartment in Houston, I have a 281 area code number. My two cell phones are still both 210 numbers. ATT *made* me get a pots line when we got DSL. There's nothing on it. No callerID, call-waiting, long distance, nuttin'. so, I can't call anyone up here except for local area codes (713, 281, 832). That's what cell phones are for. So... guess I'll just have to sign up for another invite with a different gmail address and get a 281 number. -Geoff (Baja Spring, TX - about 100 yards south of Cypress Creek) From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 08:28:20 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Thu Aug 13 08:28:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Geoff wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> I'm sorry I don't have a cell phone. >> >> I did try something else they said you could do over the weekend..You can >> call from any phone anyplace which is mighty cool. I msde a GVoice call >> from my mom's house...the call quality is awesome no matter which phone pr >> location you call from. >> >> To place a call from another phone, you just dial into the GVoice system, >> which is you G number. Hit * to get to the menu to check messages or option >> 2 is to place a long distance call. Hit 2 then it will ask for your PIN >> number, after than just dial the area code and number you want to call...Do >> NOT dial 1 plus area code and number...just area code and number... >> c >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > I live in Houston, now. After all this talk about google voice, I > signed up for an invite. Got it. Got the number I wanted. > and it's a 210 number. Here in my apartment in Houston, I have a 281 > area code number. My two cell phones are still both 210 numbers. > ATT *made* me get a pots line when we got DSL. There's nothing on it. > No callerID, call-waiting, long distance, nuttin'. so, I can't call > anyone up here except for local area codes (713, 281, 832). That's what > cell phones are for. > > So... guess I'll just have to sign up for another invite with a > different gmail address and get a 281 number. > why? is it calling from a 210 number so bad? From tsuehpsyde at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 08:58:00 2009 From: tsuehpsyde at gmail.com (tsuehpsyde) Date: Thu Aug 13 08:58:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: GV Mobile is available in Cydia, fyi. Also, you may want to look into using this with Prowl if you have an iPhone: http://github.com/mikeyk/googlevoicenotify/tree/master Uses Prowl to send you push notifications about having voicemail or SMS so you can open up GV Mobile and reply back/listen to the voicemail. Also, worth noting as well: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/voice/thread?tid=00a93855af6943b4&hl=en Send people to your Google Voice voicemail instead of using your carrier's. -Jim Bair On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Enrique Sanchez < esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Geoff wrote: > > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > >> I'm sorry I don't have a cell phone. > >> > >> I did try something else they said you could do over the weekend..You > can > >> call from any phone anyplace which is mighty cool. I msde a GVoice call > >> from my mom's house...the call quality is awesome no matter which phone > pr > >> location you call from. > >> > >> To place a call from another phone, you just dial into the GVoice > system, > >> which is you G number. Hit * to get to the menu to check messages or > option > >> 2 is to place a long distance call. Hit 2 then it will ask for your PIN > >> number, after than just dial the area code and number you want to > call...Do > >> NOT dial 1 plus area code and number...just area code and number... > >> c > >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > > > I live in Houston, now. After all this talk about google voice, I > > signed up for an invite. Got it. Got the number I wanted. > > and it's a 210 number. Here in my apartment in Houston, I have a 281 > > area code number. My two cell phones are still both 210 numbers. > > ATT *made* me get a pots line when we got DSL. There's nothing on it. > > No callerID, call-waiting, long distance, nuttin'. so, I can't call > > anyone up here except for local area codes (713, 281, 832). That's what > > cell phones are for. > > > > So... guess I'll just have to sign up for another invite with a > > different gmail address and get a 281 number. > > > > > why? is it calling from a 210 number so bad? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 09:00:59 2009 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Thu Aug 13 09:01:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Geoff wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: >> I'm sorry I don't have a cell phone. >> >> I did try something else they said you could do over the weekend..You can >> call from any phone anyplace which is mighty cool. ?I msde a GVoice call >> from my mom's house...the call quality is awesome no matter which phone pr >> location you call from. >> >> To place a call from another phone, you just dial into the GVoice system, >> which is you G number. ?Hit * to get to the menu to check messages or option >> 2 is to place a long distance call. ?Hit 2 then it will ask for your PIN >> number, after than just dial the area code and number you want to call...Do >> NOT dial 1 plus area code and number...just area code and number... >> c >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > I live in Houston, now. ?After all this talk about google voice... Have you had any success getting in touch with the HLUG or find out if they are having any meetings? -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F 18B3 E13B 0909 From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Aug 13 09:52:29 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Aug 13 09:52:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8428AD.5050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Enrique Sanchez wrote: >> I live in Houston, now. After all this talk about google voice, I >> signed up for an invite. Got it. Got the number I wanted. >> and it's a 210 number. Here in my apartment in Houston, I have a 281 >> area code number. My two cell phones are still both 210 numbers. >> ATT *made* me get a pots line when we got DSL. There's nothing on it. >> No callerID, call-waiting, long distance, nuttin'. so, I can't call >> anyone up here except for local area codes (713, 281, 832). That's what >> cell phones are for. >> >> So... guess I'll just have to sign up for another invite with a >> different gmail address and get a 281 number. >> >> > > > why? is it calling from a 210 number so bad? > Re-read, Ric... I don't have long distance, callerID, wall-waiting, nuttin', on the Houston 281- number phone. The Google number i have -now- is a 210 number. I can't call my 210 number from my 281 number, because the POTS line has -no- added features on it, least of off, Long distance. From luis at luisgarza.com Thu Aug 13 10:13:30 2009 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Thu Aug 13 10:13:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4A8428AD.5050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> <4A8428AD.5050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <542632.8439.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can go to google.com/voice. Click on call. Enter in the 10 digit phone number. Select HOME. What it will do is call you at home. Once you pickup, it will call the 10 digit phone number. Sorry about the top post. That's how yahoo does it. ________________________________ From: Geoff To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:52:29 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... Enrique Sanchez wrote: >> I live in Houston, now. After all this talk about google voice, I >> signed up for an invite. Got it. Got the number I wanted. >> and it's a 210 number. Here in my apartment in Houston, I have a 281 >> area code number. My two cell phones are still both 210 numbers. >> ATT *made* me get a pots line when we got DSL. There's nothing on it. >> No callerID, call-waiting, long distance, nuttin'. so, I can't call >> anyone up here except for local area codes (713, 281, 832). That's what >> cell phones are for. >> >> So... guess I'll just have to sign up for another invite with a >> different gmail address and get a 281 number. >> >> > > > why? is it calling from a 210 number so bad? > Re-read, Ric... I don't have long distance, callerID, wall-waiting, nuttin', on the Houston 281- number phone. The Google number i have -now- is a 210 number. I can't call my 210 number from my 281 number, because the POTS line has -no- added features on it, least of off, Long distance. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From afcasta at satx.rr.com Thu Aug 13 10:25:13 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Aug 13 10:25:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <4A838CAE.1080405@gmail.com> References: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <7e4994a70908122024j4f66698en9d9e3fa8df290dc3@mail.gmail.com> <4A838CAE.1080405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1250177113.4890.11.camel@phrodo> On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 22:46 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > I thpoought it was kept because so many ppl still run really older > > machines..these older i386's tend to run great Linux...too bad they dropped > > the i386. Most everyone I know is running on them...seniors and older folks > > anyway...c > > Well the i386 was first in production in 1986. The i486 in 1989. The maximum > clock speed for a i386 was 40MHz. No software even halfway modern would run on > it. The i386 was produced through 2007, but that was for embedded purposes. > I doubt that a 386 based PC system has been available for at least 15 years. > > -- Bruce There were still i386 machines being built and maintained as late as 2001 to run the 1985 version of Microsoft Xenix for a specific application that newer machines are not capable of running. Newer machines could emulate i386 processing, but not as well as the original 80386/80387 workstations. The coder for the application had passed on and did not document his code. I know because I did Y2K testing of these specially configured workstations and because they boot using network time (yes, it has upgraded to NTP), they passed all Y2K requirements because the CMOS clock is not involved once Xenix gets to the NTP daemon startup. If this sounds weird, consider the same organization that used those old i386 workstations was still running Macintosh terminals on MacOS 6.0.3 as late as 1991. There were also a lot of 80486-DX2/66 based terminals on a few oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago, running Slackware. With regular maintenance, many old machines will run for years. Al Castanoli From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 10:59:05 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Aug 13 10:59:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Does i386 mean i386 anymore? In-Reply-To: <1250177113.4890.11.camel@phrodo> References: <2c24d17098304151a36a733fe108f9c7.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <7e4994a70908122024j4f66698en9d9e3fa8df290dc3@mail.gmail.com> <4A838CAE.1080405@gmail.com> <1250177113.4890.11.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: <4A843849.8000804@gmail.com> Al Castanoli wrote: > There were also a lot of 80486-DX2/66 based terminals on a few oil rigs > in the Gulf of Mexico two years ago, running Slackware. With regular > maintenance, many old machines will run for years. I guess my point is that if you are using a very old processor for a specific reason, the software doesn't need upgrading either. -- Bruce From rodcis87 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 12:13:27 2009 From: rodcis87 at gmail.com (Rod G) Date: Thu Aug 13 12:13:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Computer timer Message-ID: <8d7b96d60908131013t5dd60c36o6a6ae8b043034886@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, i work with public libraries who provide computer access to their public patrons. One library is using SuSe Linux and ...I haven't investigated this yet, but I wanted to throw this out to all of the Linux user group persons. Is there anyone who knows of a download/app to provide a time management option so that libraries can limit access to timed sessions? Any help is greatly appreciated. From morfic at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 12:18:55 2009 From: morfic at gmail.com (Daniel Goller) Date: Thu Aug 13 12:18:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Computer timer In-Reply-To: <8d7b96d60908131013t5dd60c36o6a6ae8b043034886@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d7b96d60908131013t5dd60c36o6a6ae8b043034886@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13bb8ce10908131018kb37961bo964166e8d7e1cc76@mail.gmail.com> Meter maid i think the app was called, that ltsp.org often referred to. On Aug 13, 2009 12:13 PM, "Rod G" wrote: Hi everyone, i work with public libraries who provide computer access to their public patrons. One library is using SuSe Linux and ...I haven't investigated this yet, but I wanted to throw this out to all of the Linux user group persons. Is there anyone who knows of a download/app to provide a time management option so that libraries can limit access to timed sessions? Any help is greatly appreciated. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From rodcis87 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 12:20:47 2009 From: rodcis87 at gmail.com (Rod G) Date: Thu Aug 13 12:20:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Computer timer In-Reply-To: <13bb8ce10908131018kb37961bo964166e8d7e1cc76@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d7b96d60908131013t5dd60c36o6a6ae8b043034886@mail.gmail.com> <13bb8ce10908131018kb37961bo964166e8d7e1cc76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d7b96d60908131020q33d7be18v621f663ad0f5d7d0@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Daniel! On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Daniel Goller wrote: > Meter maid i think the app was called, that ltsp.org often referred to. > > On Aug 13, 2009 12:13 PM, "Rod G" wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > i work with public libraries who provide computer access to their public > patrons. One library is using SuSe Linux and ...I haven't investigated > this > yet, but I wanted to throw this out to all of the Linux user group persons. > Is there anyone who knows of a download/app to provide a time management > option so that libraries can limit access to timed sessions? Any help is > greatly appreciated. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 12:21:35 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Aug 13 12:21:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Live CDs can destroy HP Pavilion systems Message-ID: To follow up on Howard's presentation last night, I found this while updating our Computer Show inventory for August 29. (www.pcshows.com) Certain video cards in HP Pavilion systems have a bug in the firmware that causes the video fan to run at very high speeds - destroying the fan if you're not running software (such as HP-Vista) that knows how to control the speed. Several users of Live CD distros have reported this problem.[1] Bottom line: If you're running anything not given to you by the manufacturer, watch out for the "smart" features of your PC that might not be working. It can be an expensive fix. --Don [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579000 -- I just realized the USB stick I casually loaned somebody has more capacity than all the disk drives at my university (and cost less than one textbook.) From wn5pmr at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 12:37:25 2009 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Thu Aug 13 12:37:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Computer timer In-Reply-To: <8d7b96d60908131013t5dd60c36o6a6ae8b043034886@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d7b96d60908131013t5dd60c36o6a6ae8b043034886@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A844F55.3060706@gmail.com> Rod G wrote: > Hi everyone, > > i work with public libraries who provide computer access to their public > patrons. One library is using SuSe Linux and ...I haven't investigated this > yet, but I wanted to throw this out to all of the Linux user group persons. > Is there anyone who knows of a download/app to provide a time management > option so that libraries can limit access to timed sessions? Any help is > greatly appreciated. > I don't know the behind the scenes story but the SA libraries have it set up so that your session is time limited. As well the library system here in Spokane does much the same. Mike WN5PMR From rodcis87 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 13:00:37 2009 From: rodcis87 at gmail.com (Rod G) Date: Thu Aug 13 13:00:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Computer timer In-Reply-To: <4A844F55.3060706@gmail.com> References: <8d7b96d60908131013t5dd60c36o6a6ae8b043034886@mail.gmail.com> <4A844F55.3060706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d7b96d60908131100g4de28c70k160458eb65144d5c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the response...but the SA library is using a Microsoft OS. I am lookinf for something that strictly works within Linux particularly with SuSe On Aug 13, 2009 12:37 PM, "mike" wrote: Rod G wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > i work with public libraries who provide computer access to their ... I don't know the behind the scenes story but the SA libraries have it set up so that your session is time limited. As well the library system here in Spokane does much the same. Mike WN5PMR -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.s... From lgj at usenix.org Thu Aug 13 17:03:15 2009 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Thu Aug 13 17:03:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENIX HotPar '10 Call For Papers Now Available Message-ID: <921865BA-19F2-4D27-BCAC-4D5D85479FE0@usenix.org> The Program Committee for the 2nd USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Parallelism (HotPar '10) invites you to submit position papers. HotPar '10 will bring together researchers and practitioners doing innovative work in the area of parallel computing. HotPar recognizes the broad impact of multicore computing and seeks relevant contributions in all fields, including application design, languages and compilers, systems, and architecture. We request submissions of position papers that propose new directions for research of products in these areas, advocate non-traditional approaches to the problems engendered by parallelism, or potentially generate controversy and discussion. Submissions are due January 24, 2010. More information and submission guidelines are available at http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpa We look forward to receiving your submissions! Sincerely, Geoff Lowney, Intel David Patterson, University of California, Berkeley HotPar '10 Program Co-Chairs hotpar10chairs@usenix.org From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:36:12 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Thu Aug 13 17:36:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <542632.8439.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> <4A8428AD.5050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <542632.8439.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1247a04a0908131536h70e4cafesb14416fa81692b23@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Luis Garza wrote: > You can go to google.com/voice. Click on call. Enter in the 10 digit phone number. Select HOME. > > What it will do is call you at home. Once you pickup, it will call the 10 digit phone number. > > Sorry about the top post. That's how yahoo does it. > > > that is why I was wondering where the problem was, I've been forced by gvtc to own a land line for which I pay just the basic dial tone, I go to google voice, enter number I want to call and select my home # as the destination, my call is crystal clear and for free. one little detail, I just was spamed on my phone and I believe it came from google voice, not sure if it is part of the EULA or not but if it continues, I will drop GV as I mostly use the landline to call in toll free conf numbers and I would have to find a different way to call non-toll free #s. From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Aug 13 18:32:25 2009 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Thu Aug 13 18:32:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] My Linux Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908131832.26238.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Cool articles! You in SA or Houston? Would love to get a presentation at XCSSA.ORG on TOR! Tweeks On Thursday 13 August 2009 02:08:03 am Christopher Lemire wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, I've created a new blog that's very informative. I'd like > people who are interested to subscribe and post what they would like > to see. I'm also in the process of writing a book. Here's the link. > > http://linuxinovations.blogspot.com/ > > - -- > Christopher Lemire > Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 > > GnuPG Security Key fingerprint = 3E1A 9103 EF3D 4885 6866 E9DE C69F > 18B3 E13B 0909 > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.8) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkqDu9IACgkQxp8Ys+E7CQk0MgCfVElqyLZrI6oIKP56dhdoH/uk > /SwAn3I7UgcvSLQ8a24cCNNRR3lfAMOp > =HyDI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gregswift at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 18:53:31 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Thu Aug 13 18:53:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vim on redhat. In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0908130433l5daa8889ke0a4fd93c356a052@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908130121k52d5f918t480d3c0dbf98ad86@mail.gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0908130131s79a8969kbfc5ab0b4b4d62dc@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908130433l5daa8889ke0a4fd93c356a052@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70908131653q66b8bd9fs732668573268589f@mail.gmail.com> yum install vim-enhanced if you want a link to the latest package you need to disclose os version. or if you do have RHEL, go search in RHN. From esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 19:40:05 2009 From: esanchezvela.satlug at gmail.com (Enrique Sanchez) Date: Thu Aug 13 19:40:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] vim on redhat. In-Reply-To: <4e3f91d70908131653q66b8bd9fs732668573268589f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1247a04a0908130121k52d5f918t480d3c0dbf98ad86@mail.gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0908130131s79a8969kbfc5ab0b4b4d62dc@mail.gmail.com> <1247a04a0908130433l5daa8889ke0a4fd93c356a052@mail.gmail.com> <4e3f91d70908131653q66b8bd9fs732668573268589f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1247a04a0908131740o5806cbeeq8f4730941a8194cb@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Greg Swift wrote: > yum install vim-enhanced > > if you want a link to the latest package you need to disclose os version. or > if you do have RHEL, go search in RHN. just did that, the RHN setup was foobar, once it was fixed I was able to install it successfully, thanks, again. From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 21:41:17 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Aug 13 21:41:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]FREE: Parallax BASIC Stamp kit Message-ID: <246650.92380.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> got it from an XCSSA member. If you like programming and microcontrollers, this is a good way to start. I dont have time to mess with it, so I'd rather give it to someone who could use it. -Alex From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 23:22:29 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Aug 13 23:22:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Live CDs can destroy HP Pavilion systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e4994a70908132122q43763766v52a7c718b39499d0@mail.gmail.com> I've mpticed some Mobo's are embedded with Winodows crap too. My sister's Compaq PC has an ASUS mobo embedded with the stuff..cOn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Don Wright wrote: > To follow up on Howard's presentation last night, I found this while > updating our Computer Show inventory for August 29. (www.pcshows.com) > > Certain video cards in HP Pavilion systems have a bug in the firmware > that causes the video fan to run at very high speeds - destroying the > fan if you're not running software (such as HP-Vista) that knows how to > control the speed. Several users of Live CD distros have reported this > problem.[1] > > Bottom line: If you're running anything not given to you by the > manufacturer, watch out for the "smart" features of your PC that might > not be working. It can be an expensive fix. --Don > > > [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579000 > > -- > I just realized the USB stick I casually loaned somebody has more capacity > than all the disk drives at my university (and cost less than one > textbook.) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 23:31:45 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Aug 13 23:32:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908132131i6017519ey53eec4f11ab43cde@mail.gmail.com> they give you the option of changing your google voice number on your main account page if you want Geoff. when I signed up and went looking at all the phone number options they gave, I did the "search feature" before choosing a number with google. I wanted a phone number closest to my landline because it is easier to remember for everyone. ended up I got the same last 4 numbers as my landline..c On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Geoff wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > I'm sorry I don't have a cell phone. > > > > I did try something else they said you could do over the weekend..You can > > call from any phone anyplace which is mighty cool. I msde a GVoice call > > from my mom's house...the call quality is awesome no matter which phone > pr > > location you call from. > > > > To place a call from another phone, you just dial into the GVoice system, > > which is you G number. Hit * to get to the menu to check messages or > option > > 2 is to place a long distance call. Hit 2 then it will ask for your PIN > > number, after than just dial the area code and number you want to > call...Do > > NOT dial 1 plus area code and number...just area code and number... > > c > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM, John Pappas wrote: > > I live in Houston, now. After all this talk about google voice, I > signed up for an invite. Got it. Got the number I wanted. > and it's a 210 number. Here in my apartment in Houston, I have a 281 > area code number. My two cell phones are still both 210 numbers. > ATT *made* me get a pots line when we got DSL. There's nothing on it. > No callerID, call-waiting, long distance, nuttin'. so, I can't call > anyone up here except for local area codes (713, 281, 832). That's what > cell phones are for. > > So... guess I'll just have to sign up for another invite with a > different gmail address and get a 281 number. > > -Geoff (Baja Spring, TX - about 100 yards south of Cypress Creek) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 23:38:10 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Aug 13 23:38:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <1247a04a0908131536h70e4cafesb14416fa81692b23@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> <4A8428AD.5050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <542632.8439.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1247a04a0908131536h70e4cafesb14416fa81692b23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908132138r47be47dey8fa760872dfbff08@mail.gmail.com> att offers "naked dsl" but they won't tell you abt it. you have to prod them. that's good for folks who don't want or need a landline but want dsl. I have a basic phone (land;one) and dsl as well. the gv is great for me! so far, I haven't received any spam from them. I was curious if you guys know any work arounds for folks wanting gv but have a dial up connection? 2 sisters have dial up...I have some ideas to try for them...thanks c On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Enrique Sanchez < esanchezvela.satlug@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Luis Garza wrote: > > You can go to google.com/voice. Click on call. Enter in the 10 digit > phone number. Select HOME. > > > > What it will do is call you at home. Once you pickup, it will call the > 10 digit phone number. > > > > Sorry about the top post. That's how yahoo does it. > > > > > > > > that is why I was wondering where the problem was, I've been forced by > gvtc to own a land line for which I pay just the basic dial tone, I go > to google voice, enter number I want to call and select my home # as > the destination, my call is crystal clear and for free. > > one little detail, I just was spamed on my phone and I believe it came > from google voice, not sure if it is part of the EULA or not but if it > continues, I will drop GV as I mostly use the landline to call in toll > free conf numbers and I would have to find a different way to call > non-toll free #s. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Aug 13 23:44:20 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Aug 13 23:44:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <542632.8439.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> <4A8428AD.5050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <542632.8439.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A84EBA4.4070903@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Luis Garza wrote: > Re-read, Ric... I don't have long distance, callerID, wall-waiting, > nuttin', on the Houston 281- number phone. The Google number i have > -now- is a 210 number. I can't call my 210 number from my 281 number, > because the POTS line has -no- added features on it, least of off, Long > distance. > >> You can go to google.com/voice. Click on call. Enter in the 10 digit phone number. Select HOME. >> >> What it will do is call you at home. Once you pickup, it will call the 10 digit phone number. That's what I do, when I'm at home. If the computer(s) are busy doing something else, and I want to make a call, I want to be able to pick up my Houston 281- number POTS, call the yet-to-be-determined 281-google number, and call where i want, from the POTS. You can get away from top posting in Yahoo. cut-n-paste works in most any gui, regardless of flavor. -- -Geoff From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 23:47:50 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Aug 13 23:48:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <4A84EBA4.4070903@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> <4A8428AD.5050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <542632.8439.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A84EBA4.4070903@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908132147x7817117boe025347ec17b34de@mail.gmail.com> Just ignore my posts if it bothers you Geoff. Brad says it is fine with him.c On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Geoff wrote: > Luis Garza wrote: > > Re-read, Ric... I don't have long distance, callerID, wall-waiting, > > nuttin', on the Houston 281- number phone. The Google number i have > > -now- is a 210 number. I can't call my 210 number from my 281 number, > > because the POTS line has -no- added features on it, least of off, Long > > distance. > > > >> You can go to google.com/voice. Click on call. Enter in the 10 digit > phone number. Select HOME. > >> > >> What it will do is call you at home. Once you pickup, it will call the > 10 digit phone number. > > That's what I do, when I'm at home. If the computer(s) are busy doing > something else, and I want to make a call, I want to be able to pick up > my Houston 281- number POTS, call the yet-to-be-determined 281-google > number, and call where i want, from the POTS. > > You can get away from top posting in Yahoo. cut-n-paste works in most > any gui, regardless of flavor. > > -- > -Geoff > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Aug 13 23:51:20 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Aug 13 23:51:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908132131i6017519ey53eec4f11ab43cde@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70908132131i6017519ey53eec4f11ab43cde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A84ED48.70808@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > they give you the option of changing your google voice number on your main > account page if you want Geoff. > I went looking for that very info, Cheryl. Must be my old eyes... or it's hiding there in plain sight (happens to me all the time.. walking around the house, searching like mad for my glasses... that are on my head :-/ > when I signed up and went looking at all the phone number options they gave, > I did the "search feature" before choosing a number with google. I wanted a > phone number closest to my landline because it is easier to remember for > everyone. ended up I got the same last 4 numbers as my landline..c I got a number (210) with "GEOFF" in it. It's cool. mom has that one and I have her number edited so that when she calls it, it goes to the Houston house phone. she still has my cell (also and always will be a 210 number - same one since 1999) and can call it whenever. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Aug 13 23:57:58 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Aug 13 23:58:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908132147x7817117boe025347ec17b34de@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1247a04a0908130628l47dac669tb87d55a5e17c780c@mail.gmail.com> <4A8428AD.5050602@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <542632.8439.qm@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A84EBA4.4070903@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70908132147x7817117boe025347ec17b34de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A84EED6.8030701@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Just ignore my posts if it bothers you Geoff. Brad says it is fine with > him.c huh? I was talking with Enricque on that exchange. Where in the world did you get an idea that I had a problem with -anything- you said? (...scratching my head on this one...) From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Aug 14 10:21:08 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Aug 14 10:21:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Google Voice details... In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908132131i6017519ey53eec4f11ab43cde@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908022059l725f20f8l78e5ea72f13c6b8c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908032014v5f38f941h6146888115f4f184@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450908100832p33e44b29wb0164f566cf6fb5a@mail.gmail.com> <7e4994a70908102344q1d7dec74n11940488f14863d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A840F38.7040806@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <7e4994a70908132131i6017519ey53eec4f11ab43cde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8580E4.4060803@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > they give you the option of changing your google voice number on your main > account page if you want Geoff. Found that. For a $10 charge. I'll wait for the next invite to an alternate gmail address. Thanks for the heads-up, Cheryl. -Geoff From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 11:16:24 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Aug 14 11:16:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] NoSquint Firefox add-on Message-ID: <7e4994a70908140916t7ed04438t70286cd7fb9ca841@mail.gmail.com> Ho you guys.. Another friend told me abt this add-on and it appears to be very helpful for sight impaired ppl like me and Herb. Maybe you know someone who can benefit from using it too. Now that I'm dealing with corneal disease as well as retina disease it is making it a lot easier for me to still be online... you can read abt it here... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2592 I added it via tools>add-ons in Firefox...c -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Aug 14 11:27:30 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Aug 14 11:26:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] NoSquint Firefox add-on In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908140916t7ed04438t70286cd7fb9ca841@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908140916t7ed04438t70286cd7fb9ca841@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A859072.6070402@shub-internet.org> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Another friend told me abt this add-on and it appears to be very helpful for > sight impaired ppl like me and Herb. Maybe you know someone who can benefit > from using it too. I've used it, and for the most part it's okay. The biggest issue for me is that when it zooms graphics, they don't look so good. But when it zooms only the text portion, it can cause the page to be re-formatted into something that ranges from slightly different from what it is supposed to look like (and therefore only slightly annoying), to something that is completely useless. And it doesn't do anything at all with Flash-based content. It's not (yet) compatible with Firefox 3.5, however. If you're still on the 3.0* versions, and you're aware of the other limitations, it should work fine. Otherwise, I just use the built-in zooming features found in my OS, so that I can choose when to zoom in and when to zoom back out, all by just holding down a modifier key and scrolling the mouse. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 11:35:04 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Aug 14 11:35:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] NoSquint Firefox add-on In-Reply-To: <4A859072.6070402@shub-internet.org> References: <7e4994a70908140916t7ed04438t70286cd7fb9ca841@mail.gmail.com> <4A859072.6070402@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <7e4994a70908140935s384363a2i8e42bb039c8a0c56@mail.gmail.com> thanks for the info Brad. I didn't know these things abt it. I am just trying to figure out a way I can still see text online...I love to read and research things. I see NoSquint says it's Beta.. I don't know how to use the zoom feature you're speaking of. I really do appreciate your help..cheryl On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: > Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > Another friend told me abt this add-on and it appears to be very helpful >> for >> sight impaired ppl like me and Herb. Maybe you know someone who can >> benefit >> from using it too. >> > > I've used it, and for the most part it's okay. The biggest issue for me is > that when it zooms graphics, they don't look so good. But when it zooms > only the text portion, it can cause the page to be re-formatted into > something that ranges from slightly different from what it is supposed to > look like (and therefore only slightly annoying), to something that is > completely useless. And it doesn't do anything at all with Flash-based > content. > > It's not (yet) compatible with Firefox 3.5, however. If you're still on > the 3.0* versions, and you're aware of the other limitations, it should work > fine. Otherwise, I just use the built-in zooming features found in my OS, > so that I can choose when to zoom in and when to zoom back out, all by just > holding down a modifier key and scrolling the mouse. > > -- > Brad Knowles > LinkedIn Profile: > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to manage/unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of blessed little angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008; Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000). From brad at shub-internet.org Fri Aug 14 12:01:38 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Fri Aug 14 12:01:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] NoSquint Firefox add-on In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70908140935s384363a2i8e42bb039c8a0c56@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70908140916t7ed04438t70286cd7fb9ca841@mail.gmail.com> <4A859072.6070402@shub-internet.org> <7e4994a70908140935s384363a2i8e42bb039c8a0c56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A859872.2040807@shub-internet.org> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > thanks for the info Brad. I didn't know these things abt it. I am just > trying to figure out a way I can still see text online...I love to read and > research things. Understood. And if you don't have any better options, then this is clearly much better than the alternatives. ;-) > I see NoSquint says it's Beta.. > > I don't know how to use the zoom feature you're speaking of. I really do > appreciate your help..cheryl It depends on your OS. On MacOS X, you can turn on "Universal Access", and then by default you can use