From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 09:13:22 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 1 09:13:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > Ok so this is a spin off from my post over the weekend. ?I think I have > chosen to go with the Media Server idea for my CLI hero. > > I think I will be purchasing this... > > http://www.hdtvsupply.com/network-media-server.html > > Now I need to tackle the daunting task of getting the Media Server running > on my Xubuntu laptop. ?I have spent the evening trolling the internet for > some help but have turned up next to noting. ?Do I need Mythbuntu > installed. ?And if so, what part do I need? ?Front end?, Back end? ?I am > lost. ?Does anyone have any experiance with Media Servers or know a better > way to acomplish what I am lokking to do? While not a media server, I've been running a hacked Xbox for years with XBMSP backend on a small server. The only thing it cannot do is HD and mp4 video. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Wed Apr 1 14:55:37 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Wed Apr 1 14:55:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? Message-ID: <49D3C6B9.1020102@momentumweb.com> I know, I know, Linux list, but here at work we're having trouble accessing the Microsoft site (www.microsoft.com). Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem by any chance? Conficker issue? Just-ping.com is showing it down from lots of different areas: http://www.just-ping.com/index.php?vh=www.microsoft.com&c= I guess based on that, other people ARE having the same problem! :) David From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 1 15:00:54 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:01:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: <49D3C6B9.1020102@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > I know, I know, Linux list, but here at work we're having trouble > accessing the Microsoft site (www.microsoft.com). Just wondering if > anyone else is having the same problem by any chance? Conficker issue? > Just-ping.com is showing it down from lots of different areas: > > http://www.just-ping.com/index.php?vh=www.microsoft.com&c= > > I guess based on that, other people ARE having the same problem! :) > David I have heard that people who run Windows that is infected with Conficker will not be able to access virus remediation sites like microsoft, symantec, etc. You should scan your system with a recent virus/malware scanner, you may have to download it in Linux. BTW, it's an easy check to see if you can get through from a linux box, then you know it is your Windows install being infected. -b. From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 15:13:49 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:14:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: How difficult was it to hack the xbox. I have ready some about it but am unsure if I want to go that route. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Matt Graham > wrote: > > Ok so this is a spin off from my post over the weekend. I think I have > > chosen to go with the Media Server idea for my CLI hero. > > > > I think I will be purchasing this... > > > > http://www.hdtvsupply.com/network-media-server.html > > > > Now I need to tackle the daunting task of getting the Media Server > running > > on my Xubuntu laptop. I have spent the evening trolling the internet for > > some help but have turned up next to noting. Do I need Mythbuntu > > installed. And if so, what part do I need? Front end?, Back end? I am > > lost. Does anyone have any experiance with Media Servers or know a > better > > way to acomplish what I am lokking to do? > > While not a media server, I've been running a hacked Xbox for years > with XBMSP backend on a small server. The only thing it cannot do is > HD and mp4 video. > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Wed Apr 1 15:23:51 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:23:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: References: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D3CD57.5040203@momentumweb.com> Will XBMC (XBox Media Center) work for you? Runs on Linux, I've set it up and found it to be quite nice. I can't quite tell if it's exactly what you're looking for, based on the link you gave below, but it's definitely a robust and powerful free media center that will run on Linux (and has Ubuntu packages). http://xbmc.org/ Matt Graham wrote: > How difficult was it to hack the xbox. I have ready some about it but am > unsure if I want to go that route. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Matt Graham >> wrote: >> >>> Ok so this is a spin off from my post over the weekend. I think I have >>> chosen to go with the Media Server idea for my CLI hero. >>> >>> I think I will be purchasing this... >>> >>> http://www.hdtvsupply.com/network-media-server.html >>> >>> Now I need to tackle the daunting task of getting the Media Server >>> >> running >> >>> on my Xubuntu laptop. I have spent the evening trolling the internet for >>> some help but have turned up next to noting. Do I need Mythbuntu >>> installed. And if so, what part do I need? Front end?, Back end? I am >>> lost. Does anyone have any experiance with Media Servers or know a >>> >> better >> >>> way to acomplish what I am lokking to do? >>> >> While not a media server, I've been running a hacked Xbox for years >> with XBMSP backend on a small server. The only thing it cannot do is >> HD and mp4 video. >> >> >> -- >> Jeremy Mann >> jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu >> >> University of Texas Health Science Center >> Bioinformatics Core Facility >> http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu >> Phone: (210) 567-2672 >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us Wed Apr 1 14:59:25 2009 From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:27:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: <49D3C6B9.1020102@momentumweb.com> References: <49D3C6B9.1020102@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <49D38172.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> None seen from here. www.microsoft.com or support.microsoft.com. >>> David Salisbury 04/01/2009 14:55 >>> I know, I know, Linux list, but here at work we're having trouble accessing the Microsoft site (www.microsoft.com). Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem by any chance? Conficker issue? Just-ping.com is showing it down from lots of different areas: http://www.just-ping.com/index.php?vh=www.microsoft.com&c= I guess based on that, other people ARE having the same problem! :) David -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 15:27:44 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:27:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: References: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904011327w52bca1bw63f06da0c5a7927a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > How difficult was it to hack the xbox. ?I have ready some about it but am > unsure if I want to go that route. It was quite simple if you had the right tools. If memory serves me, you needed an Action Replay game save and a game, um.. Robotech I think. Using the Action Replay software you upload the "saved game" hack to the external device . Load the game in the Xbox, load the "saved game" from the external device and presto, you hacked the Xbox. Now you can load a XBMC iso image from DVD and it does the rest. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 15:34:04 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:34:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49D3CFBC.9080800@gmail.com> I was able to access their page from the link you gave, on my Linux laptop, but cannot ping them. I was, however, able to trace route clear into one of their private networks at their firewall crossover from IP addy 207.46.34.41/ge-1-0-0-0.col-64c-1b.ntwk.msn.net . Sounds like your Winderz machine is a Conficker-C victim... Cheers... Ed ============== Borries Demeler wrote: >> I know, I know, Linux list, but here at work we're having trouble >> accessing the Microsoft site (www.microsoft.com). Just wondering if >> anyone else is having the same problem by any chance? Conficker issue? >> Just-ping.com is showing it down from lots of different areas: >> >> http://www.just-ping.com/index.php?vh=www.microsoft.com&c= >> >> I guess based on that, other people ARE having the same problem! :) >> David >> > > I have heard that people who run Windows that is infected with Conficker > will not be able to access virus remediation sites like microsoft, > symantec, etc. > > You should scan your system with a recent virus/malware scanner, you may have to download > it in Linux. > > BTW, it's an easy check to see if you can get through from a linux box, then you > know it is your Windows install being infected. > > -b. > From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Wed Apr 1 15:42:14 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:42:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: <49D3CFBC.9080800@gmail.com> References: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D3CFBC.9080800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D3D1A6.20504@momentumweb.com> It looks like it may be an issue with our ISP, perhaps. I'll look into it a bit, thank you guys for looking into it as well. Our machines are clear from Conficker, see the following paragraph (for some reason my previous message originally in response to Borries didn't make it to the list, so I'll try quoting it here): "Oh, don't worry, we're clear here from Conficker, all patched up and even nmapped for some extra assurance. It's definitely something with Microsoft specifically going on (see the ping web site below). I'm just surprised I'm not seeing any information about it anywhere else?? Maybe it's a big April Fool's from Microsoft, taking www.microsoft.com down for a day. :) Seems other sites under their domain are working, but alot of them are quite slow. ? (Oh, and www.microsoft.com doesn't come up from the Linux boxes either, for the record.) Interesting note, it comes up fine on an offsite connection via Roadrunner, but the connection here (and all the sites pinging their web site at the link below) are having trouble. David" David ed wrote: > I was able to access their page from the link you gave, on my Linux > laptop, but cannot ping them. I was, however, able to trace route > clear into one of their private networks at their firewall crossover > from IP addy 207.46.34.41/ge-1-0-0-0.col-64c-1b.ntwk.msn.net . Sounds > like your Winderz machine is a Conficker-C victim... > > Cheers... > Ed From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 16:41:33 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:41:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: <49D3CD57.5040203@momentumweb.com> References: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> <49D3CD57.5040203@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: All I want is to be able to Stream movies to my Plasma TV. Anything else (i.e. MP3, Photo) is an added plus. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:23 PM, David Salisbury < david.salisbury@momentumweb.com> wrote: > Will XBMC (XBox Media Center) work for you? Runs on Linux, I've set it up > and found it to be quite nice. I can't quite tell if it's exactly what > you're looking for, based on the link you gave below, but it's definitely a > robust and powerful free media center that will run on Linux (and has Ubuntu > packages). > > http://xbmc.org/ > > > > Matt Graham wrote: > >> How difficult was it to hack the xbox. I have ready some about it but am >> unsure if I want to go that route. >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Matt Graham >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ok so this is a spin off from my post over the weekend. I think I have >>>> chosen to go with the Media Server idea for my CLI hero. >>>> >>>> I think I will be purchasing this... >>>> >>>> http://www.hdtvsupply.com/network-media-server.html >>>> >>>> Now I need to tackle the daunting task of getting the Media Server >>>> >>>> >>> running >>> >>> >>>> on my Xubuntu laptop. I have spent the evening trolling the internet >>>> for >>>> some help but have turned up next to noting. Do I need Mythbuntu >>>> installed. And if so, what part do I need? Front end?, Back end? I am >>>> lost. Does anyone have any experiance with Media Servers or know a >>>> >>>> >>> better >>> >>> >>>> way to acomplish what I am lokking to do? >>>> >>>> >>> While not a media server, I've been running a hacked Xbox for years >>> with XBMSP backend on a small server. The only thing it cannot do is >>> HD and mp4 video. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Mann >>> jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu >>> >>> University of Texas Health Science Center >>> Bioinformatics Core Facility >>> http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu >>> Phone: (210) 567-2672 >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >>> >> -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 16:42:45 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:43:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904011327w52bca1bw63f06da0c5a7927a@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0904011327w52bca1bw63f06da0c5a7927a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is seeming like the most cost effective solution as I can get an old xbox on ebay for 20 bucks. Off to do a little more research as I have gotten quite good at bricking devices. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Matt Graham > wrote: > > How difficult was it to hack the xbox. I have ready some about it but am > > unsure if I want to go that route. > > It was quite simple if you had the right tools. If memory serves me, > you needed an Action Replay game save and a game, um.. Robotech I > think. Using the Action Replay software you upload the "saved game" > hack to the external device . Load the game in the Xbox, load the > "saved game" from the external device and presto, you hacked the Xbox. > Now you can load a XBMC iso image from DVD and it does the rest. > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 16:45:42 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (Ed) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:45:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: <49D3D1A6.20504@momentumweb.com> References: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D3CFBC.9080800@gmail.com> <49D3D1A6.20504@momentumweb.com> Message-ID: <19b5226e0904011445x30a05b4ej5883f65f19ccdea0@mail.gmail.com> Amazing... I changed locations to see if my small work-related network might be affected -- it isn't. However, from this location, while I can access www.microsoft.com from 3 machines (2 Win-XP and 1 Ubuntu), I cannot ping, whois or trace route Microsoft from either of the three machines. I can, however read Microsoft, Symantec, McAfee and F-Secure pages from here on all three machines; and was able to update Symantec, AVG and Avast! anti-virus packages. Maybe its just M$ running scared? Go figure... Cheers; Ed ======================= On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:42 PM, David Salisbury < david.salisbury@momentumweb.com> wrote: > It looks like it may be an issue with our ISP, perhaps. I'll look into it > a bit, thank you guys for looking into it as well. Our machines are clear > from Conficker, see the following paragraph (for some reason my previous > message originally in response to Borries didn't make it to the list, so > I'll try quoting it here): > > "Oh, don't worry, we're clear here from Conficker, all patched up and even > nmapped for some extra assurance. It's definitely something with Microsoft > specifically going on (see the ping web site below). I'm just surprised I'm > not seeing any information about it anywhere else?? Maybe it's a big April > Fool's from Microsoft, taking www.microsoft.com down for a day. :) Seems > other sites under their domain are working, but alot of them are quite slow. > ? (Oh, and www.microsoft.com doesn't come up from the Linux boxes > either, for the record.) > > Interesting note, it comes up fine on an offsite connection via Roadrunner, > but the connection here (and all the sites pinging their web site at the > link below) are having trouble. > David" > > David > > ed wrote: > >> I was able to access their page from the link you gave, on my Linux >> laptop, but cannot ping them. I was, however, able to trace route clear >> into one of their private networks at their firewall crossover from IP addy >> 207.46.34.41/ge-1-0-0-0.col-64c-1b.ntwk.msn.net . Sounds like your >> Winderz machine is a Conficker-C victim... >> >> Cheers... >> Ed >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jm at allensonthe.net Wed Apr 1 16:54:11 2009 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:54:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: <19b5226e0904011445x30a05b4ej5883f65f19ccdea0@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D3CFBC.9080800@gmail.com> <49D3D1A6.20504@momentumweb.com> <19b5226e0904011445x30a05b4ej5883f65f19ccdea0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 16:45, Ed wrote: > Amazing... > > I changed locations to see if my small work-related network might be > affected -- it isn't. > > However, from this location, while I can access www.microsoft.com from 3 > machines (2 Win-XP and 1 Ubuntu), I cannot ping, whois or trace route > Microsoft from either of the three machines. > > I can, however read Microsoft, Symantec, McAfee and F-Secure pages from here > on all three machines; and was able to update Symantec, AVG and Avast! > anti-virus packages. Maybe its just M$ running scared? Go figure... > > Cheers; > Ed Not likely :-) timmedin wrote (via twitter): "www.microsoft.com issue: People who can't get to it resolve 65.55.21.250, working ones resolve 65.55.12.249, 207.46.192.254, 207.46.193.254" What does microsoft.com resolve to for you? -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:00:20 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:00:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: References: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0904011327w52bca1bw63f06da0c5a7927a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904011500g2f748438q2c8cf2dac156e344@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > This is seeming like the most cost effective solution as I can get an old > xbox on ebay for 20 bucks. ?Off to do a little more research as I have > gotten quite good at bricking devices. Matt, when I get home I'll send you the documentation I have for it. It includes the correct game to buy, the Action Replay device and step by step instructions. I remember they're were 3 games, Splinter Cell, Robotech and something else. I bought all 3 and the only one that actually worked was the Robotech game. Its perfect for what I do and with the new release I installed a few weeks ago, there is a ton of streaming available now. The only thing I wish they would come out with was a Hulu plugin. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Wed Apr 1 17:13:26 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:13:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: References: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D3CFBC.9080800@gmail.com> <49D3D1A6.20504@momentumweb.com> <19b5226e0904011445x30a05b4ej5883f65f19ccdea0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D3E706.1090507@momentumweb.com> For me, it resolves 207.46.19.190 with hostname "lb1.www.ms.akadns.net". David > Not likely :-) > > timmedin wrote (via twitter): "www.microsoft.com issue: People who > can't get to it resolve 65.55.21.250, working ones resolve > 65.55.12.249, 207.46.192.254, 207.46.193.254" > > What does microsoft.com resolve to for you? > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed Apr 1 17:25:56 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Apr 1 17:26:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Strange Grub Occurance Message-ID: <49D3E9F4.2090004@suddenlink.net> I have a machine with Debian, Antix-M8, and Windows XP installed. Things have been going fine for the last two months I have had these all installed. Yesterday afternoon I started the system up and the grub menu appears with only Debian Lenny, and Antix, and Antix will not boot. XP has disappeared. So, needing something off the XP partition, I grab my trusty smartboot floppy, plug in the USB floppy drive, and load up smartboot. I choose the first hard drive, where the XP partition is and , what pops up, but the Antix Grub Menu, with Debian Lenny, Antix, and XP, and they all are accessible. Why? I have made no alterations to any Grub files since I installed two months ago. I use this system, on the Linux side, as a web server and LAMP platform. Thanks, Dennis in Victoria From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 21:09:43 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Wed Apr 1 21:10:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904011500g2f748438q2c8cf2dac156e344@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0904011327w52bca1bw63f06da0c5a7927a@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0904011500g2f748438q2c8cf2dac156e344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds good. I am going to start looking for an xbox on ebay. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Matt Graham > wrote: > > This is seeming like the most cost effective solution as I can get an old > > xbox on ebay for 20 bucks. Off to do a little more research as I have > > gotten quite good at bricking devices. > > Matt, when I get home I'll send you the documentation I have for it. > It includes the correct game to buy, the Action Replay device and step > by step instructions. I remember they're were 3 games, Splinter Cell, > Robotech and something else. I bought all 3 and the only one that > actually worked was the Robotech game. > > Its perfect for what I do and with the new release I installed a few > weeks ago, there is a ton of streaming available now. The only thing I > wish they would come out with was a Hulu plugin. > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 21:14:42 2009 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Wed Apr 1 21:15:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: References: <79ec289f0904010713k68565d06p152bde82dabb080f@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0904011327w52bca1bw63f06da0c5a7927a@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0904011500g2f748438q2c8cf2dac156e344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks like it starts here... http://xbmc.org/home/ and on Ebay!!! On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > Sounds good. I am going to start looking for an xbox on ebay. > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Matt Graham >> wrote: >> > This is seeming like the most cost effective solution as I can get an >> old >> > xbox on ebay for 20 bucks. Off to do a little more research as I have >> > gotten quite good at bricking devices. >> >> Matt, when I get home I'll send you the documentation I have for it. >> It includes the correct game to buy, the Action Replay device and step >> by step instructions. I remember they're were 3 games, Splinter Cell, >> Robotech and something else. I bought all 3 and the only one that >> actually worked was the Robotech game. >> >> Its perfect for what I do and with the new release I installed a few >> weeks ago, there is a ton of streaming available now. The only thing I >> wish they would come out with was a Hulu plugin. >> >> -- >> Jeremy Mann >> jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu >> >> University of Texas Health Science Center >> Bioinformatics Core Facility >> http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu >> Phone: (210) 567-2672 >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Apr 1 23:28:41 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Apr 1 23:28:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49D43EF9.9060700@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Borries Demeler wrote: > BTW, it's an easy check to see if you can get through from a linux box, then you > know it is your Windows install being infected. > that said, I had never heard of just-ping.com. Checked my site (not sure if I should have or not but oh well) and got this result... Location Result min. rrt avg. rrt max. rrt Amsterdam3, Netherlands: Okay 132.4 135.2 143.4 Amsterdam2, Netherlands: Okay 130.5 133.4 143.8 Florida, U.S.A.: Okay 46.9 48.9 52.2 Hong Kong, China: Okay 375.4 386.2 391.2 Sydney, Australia: Okay 210.9 215.0 223.6 New York, U.S.A.: Okay 66.3 68.3 73.3 Stockholm, Sweden: Okay 170.9 175.7 183.8 Santa Clara, U.S.A.: Okay 58.4 60.4 68.9 Vancouver, Canada: Okay 86.6 91.2 107.2 Krakow, Poland: Okay 162.4 164.4 167.2 London, United Kingdom: Okay 130.1 132.3 136.8 Madrid, Spain: Okay 186.2 188.2 193.5 Cagliari, Italy: Okay 167.3 170.7 180.3 Singapore, Singapore: Okay 228.9 231.5 233.6 Austin, U.S.A.: Okay 22.1 24.2 26.9 Cologne, Germany: Okay 142.9 147.4 152.3 Munchen, Germany: Okay 156.4 161.2 172.3 Amsterdam, Netherlands: Okay 133.0 135.8 143.2 Paris, France: Okay 177.2 178.5 179.4 Shanghai, China: Packets lost (100%) Melbourne, Australia: Okay 216.5 217.6 218.7 Copenhagen, Denmark: Okay 159.8 164.4 170.4 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: Okay 181.0 184.4 188.1 Lille, France: Okay 129.4 133.0 144.3 San Francisco, U.S.A.: Okay 57.6 60.9 67.9 Chicago, U.S.A.: Okay 36.1 40.0 49.3 Zurich, Switzerland: Okay 227.0 231.0 237.9 Johannesburg, South Africa: Packets lost (20%) 480.7 577.4 759.4 Mumbai, India: Packets lost (20%) 276.4 283.3 294.6 Nagano, Japan: Okay 206.3 209.7 212.2 Haifa, Israel: Okay 195.1 198.4 202.8 Auckland, New Zealand: Okay 185.9 189.5 198.4 Groningen, Netherlands: Okay 132.1 134.0 135.4 Antwerp, Belgium: Okay 133.6 137.0 145.2 Dublin, Ireland: Okay 132.4 135.3 139.3 Moscow, Russia: Okay 182.0 191.2 201.2 From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 00:44:47 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Apr 2 00:44:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Is anyone else having trouble accessing Microsoft.com? In-Reply-To: References: <200904012000.n31K0skb009239@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49D3CFBC.9080800@gmail.com> <49D3D1A6.20504@momentumweb.com> <19b5226e0904011445x30a05b4ej5883f65f19ccdea0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D450CF.8060909@gmail.com> Jon Mark Allen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 16:45, Ed wrote: > >> Amazing... >> >> I changed locations to see if my small work-related network might be >> affected -- it isn't. >> >> However, from this location, while I can access www.microsoft.com from 3 >> machines (2 Win-XP and 1 Ubuntu), I cannot ping, whois or trace route >> Microsoft from either of the three machines. >> >> I can, however read Microsoft, Symantec, McAfee and F-Secure pages from here >> on all three machines; and was able to update Symantec, AVG and Avast! >> anti-virus packages. Maybe its just M$ running scared? Go figure... >> >> Cheers; >> Ed >> > > Not likely :-) > > timmedin wrote (via twitter): "www.microsoft.com issue: People who > can't get to it resolve 65.55.21.250, working ones resolve > 65.55.12.249, 207.46.192.254, 207.46.193.254" > > What does microsoft.com resolve to for you? > 207.46.34.41 Cheers; Ed From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 01:03:40 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Apr 2 01:03:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Resolving Microsoft... Message-ID: <49D4553C.5090004@gmail.com> Here's my trace route to M$.com . Can anyone /please explain/ to me how I apparently /jumped their firewall, and hit the first node of one of their private class-a networks?? /It looked even wonkier when I did it earlier yesterday afternoon... Cheers... Ed ========================== > Hop Hostname IP Time 1 Time 2 > 1 localhost.local 192.168.1.100 0.288ms > 1 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1 4.611ms > 1 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1 2.420ms > 2 no reply * > 3 gig10-1-4.snantx6000-rtr1.satx.rr.com 24.28.133.148 > 23.958ms > 4 gig2-1-0.dllatxl3-rtr1.texas.rr.com 72.179.205.8 32.070ms > 5 ae-4-0.cr0.dfw10.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.88 35.275ms > 6 ae-0-0.cr0.hou30.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.38 46.545ms > 7 ae-3-0.cr0.lax30.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.0 64.294ms > 8 ae-0-0.cr0.lax00.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.4 106.533ms > 9 66.109.6.6 66.109.6.6 74.515ms > 10 ae-0-0.pr0.sjc20.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.139 66.558ms > 11 66.109.9.170 66.109.9.170 62.724ms > 12 209.240.198.227 209.240.198.227 89.598ms > 13 ge-1-2-0-0.tuk-64cb-1b.ntwk.msn.net 207.46.33.222 93.127ms > 14 ge-1-0-0-0.co1-64c-1b.ntwk.msn.net 207.46.34.41 98.537ms > 15 10.22.8.6 10.22.8.6 97.111ms 16-31 no reply * From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Thu Apr 2 14:28:20 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Thu Apr 2 14:28:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Resolving Microsoft... In-Reply-To: <49D4553C.5090004@gmail.com> References: <49D4553C.5090004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238700500.21246.4.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 01:03 -0500, ed wrote: > Here's my trace route to M$.com . Can anyone /please explain/ to me > how > I apparently /jumped their firewall, and hit the first node of one of > their private class-a networks?? /It looked even wonkier when I did > it > earlier yesterday afternoon... > > Cheers... > Ed > ========================== > > Hop Hostname IP Time 1 Time 2 > > 1 localhost.local 192.168.1.100 0.288ms > > 1 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1 4.611ms > > 1 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1 2.420ms > > 2 no reply * > > 3 gig10-1-4.snantx6000-rtr1.satx.rr.com 24.28.133.148 > > 23.958ms > > 4 gig2-1-0.dllatxl3-rtr1.texas.rr.com 72.179.205.8 32.070ms > > 5 ae-4-0.cr0.dfw10.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.88 35.275ms > > 6 ae-0-0.cr0.hou30.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.38 46.545ms > > 7 ae-3-0.cr0.lax30.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.0 64.294ms > > 8 ae-0-0.cr0.lax00.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.4 106.533ms > > 9 66.109.6.6 66.109.6.6 74.515ms > > 10 ae-0-0.pr0.sjc20.tbone.rr.com 66.109.6.139 66.558ms > > 11 66.109.9.170 66.109.9.170 62.724ms > > 12 209.240.198.227 209.240.198.227 89.598ms > > 13 ge-1-2-0-0.tuk-64cb-1b.ntwk.msn.net 207.46.33.222 > 93.127ms > > 14 ge-1-0-0-0.co1-64c-1b.ntwk.msn.net 207.46.34.41 98.537ms here is my trace route Hop Hostname IP Time 1 Time 2 1 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 17.423ms 2 no reply * 3 ge-0-1-0-150.aggr01.snantx.grandecom.net 66.90.139.70 35.271ms 4 so-2-0-2-0.core02.smrctx.grandecom.net 24.155.121.29 29.819ms 5 24.155.121.236 24.155.121.236 24.667ms 6 8075-dal.msn.net 206.223.118.17 23.940ms 7 207.46.45.74 207.46.45.74 30.378ms 8 207.46.46.145 207.46.46.145 25.730ms 9 ge-1-0-0-0.co2-64c-1a.ntwk.msn.net 207.46.45.94 67.847ms 10 ge-0-1-0-0.wst-64cb-1a.ntwk.msn.net 207.46.34.9 72.002ms 11 ge-7-1-0-0.cpk-64c-1b.ntwk.msn.net 207.46.35.41 71.352ms 12 ten2-4.cpk-76c-1b.ntwk.msn.net 207.46.34.114 71.344ms 13 10.22.0.30 10.22.0.30 71.778ms sorry for the formating Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Apr 3 11:09:44 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Apr 3 11:09:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Xubuntu Streaming Media Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1238774984.7211.20.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> sorry this reply is couple days late but here is my 2 cents... On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 21:14 -0500, Matt Graham wrote: > Ok so this is a spin off from my post over the weekend. I think I have > chosen to go with the Media Server idea for my CLI hero. > > I think I will be purchasing this... > > http://www.hdtvsupply.com/network-media-server.html > personally i would recomend the HDHomerun. http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm 2 recievers networked into. Big plus plug and play with mythtv. I have no experience with this device but please before you make a purchase look through the ubuntu and mythtv forums. as for you laptop please be aware that if you install ubuntu naw you might find yourself with a big upgrade in the next few weeks. Ubuntu 9.04 Beta is out and surprisingly stable. Ubuntu 9.04 RC will be out next week and the FC will be out on the 29th of April. Take this into consideration. Not having seen the specs of your laptop I would suggest setting up mythbuntu on a desktop computer with at least 2 gigs of ram and a nvidia 3d cards (at least something from the 7000 family should do). After having done this you can install mythtv on your laptop and use it as a media client. I currently have two laptops set up this way (one in the kitchen and one in the bedroom). > Now I need to tackle the daunting task of getting the Media Server running > on my Xubuntu laptop. such a set up does not preclude you from using the laptop to serve media. if however your laptop is not powerful enough to do video then install ubuntu server and use samba or nfs to network the directory where your media is. see the following link: > I have spent the evening trolling the internet for > some help but have turned up next to noting. Do I need Mythbuntu > installed. you shouldn't need to install mythbuntu on your laptop if its just going to serve media. in all actuality there is little difference between a file server and a media server. the nomenclature speaks to the media. > And if so, what part do I need? Front end?, Back end? the laptops in my kitchen as described above are front ends the back end is on the desktop (or rather server) which incidentally also has a front end for my living room TV good luck Todd From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 3 12:05:06 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Fri Apr 3 12:05:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage Message-ID: <997579.6186.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Many thanks to Jeremy Mann, Todd Bucy, and John Pappas for help in making working PCs, monitors, etc. available to an orphanage near Piedras Negras.? One minor problem left is a missing CMOS battery for an IBM Personal Computer 300PL.? Finally found a reference that says it's a 33f8354, which seems to equate to a B-310.? Haven't found one anywhere in town.? If anyone knows of a local source or happens to have a spare, please let me know off-list.? Thanks for the help and encouragement folks. Art Hall From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Apr 3 13:22:14 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Apr 3 13:22:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage In-Reply-To: <997579.6186.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <997579.6186.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1238782934.7211.32.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> your welcome to come look at my junk pile. there are a few MB's here which you might be able to cannibalize for a cmos battery. short of that check out the goodwill store (their old mother boards) and AllGen. I will be available today after 4pm and all day tomorrow. Give me a ring after 4pm today. also the pc i have is not appropriate for Ubuntu but would be a better candidate for Xubuntu or DSL. Otherwise it would make an excellent teaching platform. Todd On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 10:05 -0700, Arthur Hall wrote: > Many thanks to Jeremy Mann, Todd Bucy, and John Pappas for help in making working PCs, monitors, etc. available to an orphanage near Piedras Negras. One minor problem left is a missing CMOS battery for an IBM Personal Computer 300PL. Finally found a reference that says it's a 33f8354, which seems to equate to a B-310. Haven't found one anywhere in town. If anyone knows of a local source or happens to have a spare, please let me know off-list. Thanks for the help and encouragement folks. > Art Hall From corpustexn at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 15:16:07 2009 From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Fri Apr 3 15:16:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage In-Reply-To: <997579.6186.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <273770.43811.qm@web50009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Arthur Hall wrote: > From: Arthur Hall > Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage > To: "San Antonio Linux Users Group" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:05 PM > Many thanks to Jeremy Mann, Todd Bucy, and John Pappas for > help in making working PCs, monitors, etc. available to an > orphanage near Piedras Negras.? One minor problem left is a > missing CMOS battery for an IBM Personal Computer 300PL.? > Finally found a reference that says it's a 33f8354, > which seems to equate to a B-310.? Haven't found one > anywhere in town.? If anyone knows of a local source or > happens to have a spare, please let me know off-list.? > Thanks for the help and encouragement folks. > Art Hall It looks like a cr2032 works. That sounds familiar. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From hc at lookcee.com Fri Apr 3 16:31:01 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Apr 3 16:32:54 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage In-Reply-To: <273770.43811.qm@web50009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <273770.43811.qm@web50009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D68015.90802@lookcee.com> Tim wrote: > > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Arthur Hall wrote: > > >> From: Arthur Hall >> Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage >> To: "San Antonio Linux Users Group" >> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:05 PM >> Many thanks to Jeremy Mann, Todd Bucy, and John Pappas for >> help in making working PCs, monitors, etc. available to an >> orphanage near Piedras Negras. One minor problem left is a >> missing CMOS battery for an IBM Personal Computer 300PL. >> Finally found a reference that says it's a 33f8354, >> which seems to equate to a B-310. Haven't found one >> anywhere in town. If anyone knows of a local source or >> happens to have a spare, please let me know off-list. >> Thanks for the help and encouragement folks. >> Art Hall >> > > > It looks like a cr2032 works. That sounds familiar. > Yeah I do have two old PL300s and they do take a 2032 available at Radio shack or any computer dept. herb >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 18:47:44 2009 From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher) Date: Fri Apr 3 18:47:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage In-Reply-To: <49D68015.90802@lookcee.com> References: <273770.43811.qm@web50009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49D68015.90802@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <128bff2f0904031647k2a2bf452wc9157675aa27b52c@mail.gmail.com> CR2032 is a very common battery and can be found almost anywere that sells a watch battery. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > Tim wrote: > >> >> >> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Arthur Hall wrote: >> >> >> >>> From: Arthur Hall >>> Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage >>> To: "San Antonio Linux Users Group" >>> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:05 PM >>> Many thanks to Jeremy Mann, Todd Bucy, and John Pappas for >>> help in making working PCs, monitors, etc. available to an >>> orphanage near Piedras Negras. One minor problem left is a >>> missing CMOS battery for an IBM Personal Computer 300PL. Finally found a >>> reference that says it's a 33f8354, >>> which seems to equate to a B-310. Haven't found one >>> anywhere in town. If anyone knows of a local source or >>> happens to have a spare, please let me know off-list. Thanks for the help >>> and encouragement folks. >>> Art Hall >>> >>> >> >> >> It looks like a cr2032 works. That sounds familiar. >> >> > > Yeah I do have two old PL300s and they do take a 2032 available at Radio > shack or any computer dept. > herb > > -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >>> unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 3 21:24:48 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Fri Apr 3 21:24:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage In-Reply-To: <128bff2f0904031647k2a2bf452wc9157675aa27b52c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <908707.35712.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the responses to the CMOS battery challenge. Unfortunately, the mounting on the mother board is larger than a 2032. The 2032 has a diameter of 20mm or about .782 inches. The B-310 Has a diameter of .88 inches or about 22.3mm. When I insert a 2032, it isn't held in place by anything because it's too small. That's why I'm still looking for a B-310. From edeleonjr at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 22:27:02 2009 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Fri Apr 3 22:27:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Sony Vaio PCG-C1VN Message-ID: For those who know what this is, I am looking to part with mine. It is in excellent shape. Everything still works, practically flawless cosmetic shape as well. If you're interested, contact me offline and make an offer. Thanks, Ernest From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 22:47:29 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Apr 3 22:47:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]Free Desktop computer Message-ID: <415059.29901.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> its not blazing fast. My little daughter used it for games. I was selling it on craigslist for $50 but no bites so I'd rather give it away here. HP Pavilion desktop 667 mhz 128megs RAM Windows 98 CDRW drive 15 gig hard drive Keyboard mouse 2 speakers and 1 "bass" speaker (California Acoustics) NO MONITOR I'll be busy Saturday with my sons baseball game and then work related stuff so Sunday would be the best time to pick it up. I'm on the NE side of S.A. you come get it. -Alex From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Fri Apr 3 22:53:25 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Fri Apr 3 22:53:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig SATA drive Message-ID: <332921.46681.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'm selling it for $75 obo but would trade it for a USB cd/dvd drive (something newer/slimline). I bought a MSI netbook so I would trade for something useful for that thing. ST3750650AS 7200rpm From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 3 23:38:23 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Fri Apr 3 23:38:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage In-Reply-To: <1238782934.7211.32.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Message-ID: <317398.24478.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Todd, ? Thanks for the response.? Looked high and low for your phone number, but couldn't find it so couldn't call.? Xubuntu is downloading as I type (ever so slowly - the typing speed, that is).? I want to try it out since it may be even better for "my" families than the regular Ubuntu version. ? If you're still going to be available, I could come by late tomorrow morning.? Please call (764-1003) or e-mail a time that's convenient for you.? Thanks. Art ? --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: From: Todd W. Bucy Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 1:22 PM your welcome to come look at my junk pile. there are a few MB's here which you might be able to cannibalize for a cmos battery. short of that check out the goodwill store (their old mother boards) and AllGen. I will be available today after 4pm and all day tomorrow. Give me a ring after 4pm today. also the pc i have is not appropriate for Ubuntu but would be a better candidate for Xubuntu or DSL. Otherwise it would make an excellent teaching platform. Todd From hc at lookcee.com Sat Apr 4 00:37:28 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sat Apr 4 00:37:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage In-Reply-To: <317398.24478.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <317398.24478.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D6F218.3090007@lookcee.com> Art If you are not successful in Todd's junk pile, I pulled the case from the working IBM PL-300 I have and it has a 2032 battery with a penny on top of the battery between the hold down spring and the battery. I used it until last year and I marked the date on the battery as 3/08 so I am the one who replaced this Bat. It was working fine when I replaced it with a P4 shortly after that date, so fitting loose makes no diff if the spring holds it down It just requires a 3V bat, I think the orig bat was a bit thicker. If your bat hold down spring has gotten broken off, I am not sure it will come loose, but I can send you the entire working mobo complete with CPU and memory if you wish I am up N in Bedias so not convenient to pick it up. I'll donate the UPS cost to the cause. LOL you know how bloody heavy that complete box is. I also have couple of working Intel P3 Mobos with CPUs same type slot A, they fit the ATX mid tower but no case for them, if they would be of use to you. Herb Arthur Hall wrote: > Todd, > > Thanks for the response. Looked high and low for your phone number, but couldn't find it so couldn't call. Xubuntu is downloading as I type (ever so slowly - the typing speed, that is). I want to try it out since it may be even better for "my" families than the regular Ubuntu version. > > If you're still going to be available, I could come by late tomorrow morning. Please call (764-1003) or e-mail a time that's convenient for you. Thanks. > > Art > > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > From: Todd W. Bucy > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] PCs for an Orphanage > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 1:22 PM > > your welcome to come look at my junk pile. there are a few MB's here > which you might be able to cannibalize for a cmos battery. short of > that check out the goodwill store (their old mother boards) and AllGen. > > I will be available today after 4pm and all day tomorrow. Give me a > ring after 4pm today. > > also the pc i have is not appropriate for Ubuntu but would be a better > candidate for Xubuntu or DSL. Otherwise it would make an excellent > teaching platform. > > Todd > From mariocompeanc at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 07:54:51 2009 From: mariocompeanc at yahoo.com (Mario Compean) Date: Sat Apr 4 07:54:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig SATA drive Message-ID: <611922.52721.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, I?l take the Pavillion desktop for a non-profit I volunteer with. I can pick it up Sunday afternoon if you email me off list with contact details/directions. Also, I have a new still in the box 8 GB San Disk USB 2.0 stick I can trade for the SATA drive if that is ok with you. Mario --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Alex Bartonek wrote: From: Alex Bartonek Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig SATA drive To: "SATLUG" Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:53 PM I'm selling it for $75 obo but would trade it for a USB cd/dvd drive (something newer/slimline).? I bought a MSI netbook so I would trade for something useful for that thing. ST3750650AS 7200rpm ? ? ? -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 11:12:53 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Apr 4 11:12:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]Free Desktop computer In-Reply-To: <702675.29076.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84395.36842.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Arthur Hall was first to reply. > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > From: Alex Bartonek > Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]Free Desktop computer > To: "SATLUG" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:47 PM > > its not blazing fast. My little daughter used it for > games. > I was selling it on craigslist for $50 but no bites so > I'd rather give it > away here. > > HP Pavilion desktop > 667 mhz > 128megs RAM > Windows 98 > CDRW drive > 15 gig hard drive > Keyboard > mouse > 2 speakers and 1 "bass" speaker (California > Acoustics) > NO MONITOR > > > I'll be busy Saturday with my sons baseball game and > then work related > stuff so Sunday would be the best time to pick it up. > I'm on the NE side of > S.A. you come get it. > > -Alex > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 11:14:19 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Apr 4 11:14:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig SATA drive In-Reply-To: <611922.52721.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <641180.37599.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I have alot of USB mem sticks so I'll pass. BTW, I will also trade for ammo. LOL. .380, 9mm, .45 acp, .223 of equivalent value. -Alex --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Mario Compean wrote: > From: Mario Compean > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig SATA drive > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 7:54 AM > Alex, > > I?l take the Pavillion desktop for a non-profit I > volunteer with. I can pick it up Sunday afternoon if you > email me off list with contact details/directions. Also, I > have a new still in the box 8 GB San Disk USB 2.0 stick I > can trade for the SATA drive if that is ok with you. > > Mario > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > From: Alex Bartonek > Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig > SATA drive > To: "SATLUG" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:53 PM > > > I'm selling it for $75 obo but would trade it for a USB > cd/dvd drive (something newer/slimline).? I bought a MSI > netbook so I would trade for something useful for that > thing. > > ST3750650AS > 7200rpm > > > > ? ? ? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From mariocompeanc at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 15:18:12 2009 From: mariocompeanc at yahoo.com (Mario Compean) Date: Sat Apr 4 15:18:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig SATA drive Message-ID: <774174.84738.qm@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks. I don't have any ammo. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Alex Bartonek wrote: From: Alex Bartonek Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig SATA drive To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 9:14 AM I have alot of USB mem sticks so I'll pass. BTW, I will also trade for ammo. LOL.? .380, 9mm, .45 acp, .223 of equivalent value. -Alex --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Mario Compean wrote: > From: Mario Compean > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig SATA drive > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 7:54 AM > Alex, > > I?l take the Pavillion desktop for a non-profit I > volunteer with. I can pick it up Sunday afternoon if you > email me off list with contact details/directions. Also, I > have a new still in the box 8 GB San Disk USB 2.0 stick I > can trade for the SATA drive if that is ok with you. > > Mario > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Alex Bartonek > wrote: > > From: Alex Bartonek > Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]FS/Trade: Seagate Barracuda 750gig > SATA drive > To: "SATLUG" > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:53 PM > > > I'm selling it for $75 obo but would trade it for a USB > cd/dvd drive (something newer/slimline).? I bought a MSI > netbook so I would trade for something useful for that > thing. > > ST3750650AS > 7200rpm > > > > ? ? ? > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From emon at lavabit.com Sun Apr 5 23:26:30 2009 From: emon at lavabit.com (Emon) Date: Sun Apr 5 23:22:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge Message-ID: <49D98476.8030301@lavabit.com> Hi all I am studying for RHCE exam. The instructor is a friend of mine, and he has issued me an off topic challenge. The challenge is ?.... To write a shell script that will take a given text file as input & divide into five equal but different files. If the number of lines in the file is not perfectly divisible by five, then the last file should contain the extra lines; i.e. if the total number of lines in the original file is 16, then it should divide them into 5 files, where the first 4 files should contain 3 lines each & the fifth file should contain 4 lines. I have some very basic (Bash) shell scripting & (C++) programming concept, but shamefully I must admit that I can't figure out very much. All I have figured out is that I should use "wc -l" command to find out the number of lines in the file & store it in a variable & then divide it by 5; but after that how should I store the quotient & the reminder??..... and how do I use those numbers to process the file??? Any help/pointer would be very much appreciated. Emon From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Apr 6 09:06:38 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Apr 6 09:06:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] backups Message-ID: <200904061406.n36E6cbT011513@biochem.uthscsa.edu> I had a basic question: Right now, I back up my laptop on a backup drive using rsync, here is the script: (the backup drive is mounted on /mnt) #!/bin/sh DATE=`date +%m%d%y` TARGET=/mnt LOGFILE=$TARGET/tmp/laptop.$DATE.log ERRORFILE=$TARGET/tmp/laptop.$DATE.err echo "" >> $LOGFILE echo "" >> $LOGFILE echo synchronizing $x on `date`: >> $LOGFILE echo "" >> $LOGFILE rsync -av --delete --no-whole-file --exclude="media" --exclude="proc" \ --exclude="sys" --exclude="mnt" --exclude="tmp" / $TARGET/. >> $LOGFILE 2>> $ERRORFILE This script simply overwrites changed files, adds new files, and deletes what's no longer there to create an identical copy. Directories I am not interested in backing up are excluded. Now I would like to change this to permit incremental backups. Basically, I would like to keep changes (until I run out of diskspace) and always the latest version in an identical copy. How could I change the script or use some kind of open source backup software that can accomplish this? It would be nice to have some sort of backup manager. I would like to just save the diffs, perhaps archived and compressed to save space, bu be able to go back several versions. WHat would you all recommend? Thanks, -b. From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 09:27:54 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Apr 6 09:27:56 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] backups In-Reply-To: <200904061406.n36E6cbT011513@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200904061406.n36E6cbT011513@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904060727o203b734eud9388de77f7aed6a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Borries Demeler wrote: > How could I change the script or use some kind of open source backup software > that can accomplish this? It would be nice to have some sort of backup manager. > I would like to just save the diffs, perhaps archived and compressed to save > space, bu be able to go back several versions. WHat would you all recommend? Bo, I can give you a copy of rsync-incr. I used that on the HSCville server for their weekly incremental backups... Basically it works with 1 working directory, then x number of directories for how many days you want to keep incrementally. The first one gets removed when the x number of days have been reached. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Apr 6 09:59:03 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Apr 6 09:59:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] backups In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904060727o203b734eud9388de77f7aed6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904061459.n36Ex3TM014919@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Borries Demeler > wrote: > > > How could I change the script or use some kind of open source backup software > > that can accomplish this? It would be nice to have some sort of backup manager. > > I would like to just save the diffs, perhaps archived and compressed to save > > space, bu be able to go back several versions. WHat would you all recommend? > > Bo, I can give you a copy of rsync-incr. I used that on the HSCville > server for their weekly incremental backups... Basically it works with > 1 working directory, then x number of directories for how many days > you want to keep incrementally. The first one gets removed when the x > number of days have been reached. That sounds good. I suppose somewhere there is a complete base copy. That base copy, is that the latest version of the first version? I would like it to be the latest version, if possible, to avoid having to restore x numbers of intermediates to get back to the latest version in case of a catastrophal loss. -b. From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 10:29:55 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Apr 6 10:29:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] backups In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904060727o203b734eud9388de77f7aed6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904061406.n36E6cbT011513@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <79ec289f0904060727o203b734eud9388de77f7aed6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3i7kt4dard2n6ei49je1us6lkdua5dauon@4ax.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: >Bo, I can give you a copy of rsync-incr. I used that on the HSCville >server for their weekly incremental backups... Interesting topic. This looks useful in a number of contexts. I see it's still active; latest release 2009-01-09. Project page: http://colas.nahaboo.net/Software/RsyncIncr Thanks for the pointer! --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 10:30:07 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Mon Apr 6 10:30:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] backups In-Reply-To: <200904061459.n36Ex3TM014919@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <79ec289f0904060727o203b734eud9388de77f7aed6a@mail.gmail.com> <200904061459.n36Ex3TM014919@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904060830u3a2bf26y7f2b748c906b01f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Borries Demeler wrote: > That sounds good. I suppose somewhere there is a complete base copy. That base > copy, is that the latest version of the first version? I would like it to be the > latest version, if possible, to avoid having to restore x numbers of intermediates > to get back to the latest version in case of a catastrophal loss. The complete directory is only as new as the first day scheduled. For example on a 7 day incremental rotation, the common directory would be up to date as of Monday... then 6 directories for the rest of the weekdays. Come Monday the next week the common directory gets updated and the process repeats. There may be a way to update the common directory for each day and have the 'changed' files copied in the daily directories but I'll have to check. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 10:35:56 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Mon Apr 6 10:35:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge Message-ID: <629360.89398.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Emon wrote: > From: Emon > Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:26 AM > Hi all > > I am studying for RHCE exam. The instructor is a friend of > mine, and he > has issued me an off topic challenge. The challenge is > ?.... > > To write a shell script that will take a given text file as > input & > divide into five equal but different files. If the number > of lines in > the file is not perfectly divisible by five, then the > last file should > contain the extra lines; i.e. if the total number of lines > in the > original file is 16, then it should divide them into 5 > files, where the > first 4 files should contain 3 lines each & the fifth > file should > contain 4 lines. > > I have some very basic (Bash) shell scripting & (C++) > programming > concept, but shamefully I must admit that I can't figure > out very much. > > All I have figured out is that I should use "wc -l" command > to find out > the number of lines in the file & store it in a > variable & then divide > it by 5; but after that how should I store the quotient > & the > reminder??..... and how do I use those numbers to process > the file??? > > Any help/pointer would be very much appreciated. > > Emon > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > rm -f xxf lc=$(wc -l file| awk '{print $1}') ((j=lc/5)) split -l $j file if [ -f xxf ] ; then cat xxf >> xxe ; rm xxf; fi From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 10:58:27 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Mon Apr 6 10:58:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge Message-ID: <351526.5345.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Emon > wrote: > > > From: Emon > > Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:26 AM > > Hi all > > > > I am studying for RHCE exam. The instructor is a > friend of > > mine, and he > > has issued me an off topic challenge. The challenge > is > > ?.... > > > > To write a shell script that will take a given text > file as > > input & > > divide into five equal but different files. If the > number > > of lines in > > the file is not perfectly divisible by five, > then the > > last file should > > contain the extra lines; i.e. if the total number of > lines > > in the > > original file is 16, then it should divide them into > 5 > > files, where the > > first 4 files should contain 3 lines each & the > fifth > > file should > > contain 4 lines. > > > > I have some very basic (Bash) shell scripting & > (C++) > > programming > > concept, but shamefully I must admit that I can't > figure > > out very much. > > > > All I have figured out is that I should use "wc -l" > command > > to find out > > the number of lines in the file & store it in a > > variable & then divide > > it by 5; but after that how should I store the > quotient > > & the > > reminder??..... and how do I use those numbers to > process > > the file??? > > > > Any help/pointer would be very much appreciated. > > > > Emon > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > rm -f xxf > lc=$(wc -l file| awk '{print $1}') > ((j=lc/5)) > split -l $j file > if [ -f xxf ] ; then cat xxf >> xxe ; rm xxf; fi > this also works.... lc=$(wc -l file| awk '{print $1}') ((j=lc/5)) for i in 1 2 3 4 do ((x=j*i)) head -$x file | tail -$j >> file_$i done ((x=x+1)) tail +$x file >> file_5 From emon at lavabit.com Mon Apr 6 15:05:37 2009 From: emon at lavabit.com (Emon) Date: Mon Apr 6 15:01:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge In-Reply-To: <351526.5345.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <351526.5345.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DA6091.3010005@lavabit.com> On 04/06/2009 09:58 PM, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >>> >> rm -f xxf >> lc=$(wc -l file| awk '{print $1}') >> ((j=lc/5)) >> split -l $j file >> if [ -f xxf ] ; then cat xxf >> xxe ; rm xxf; fi >> What does this line mean?? I am sorry for asking this, cos I know I mentioned that I have some basic knowledge of bash & c++ but I am just realizing that they are hopelessly inadequate :-( > > > this also works.... > > > lc=$(wc -l file| awk '{print $1}') > ((j=lc/5)) > for i in 1 2 3 4 > do > ((x=j*i)) > head -$x file | tail -$j >> file_$i > done > ((x=x+1)) > tail +$x file >> file_5 > I can only say one word to appreciate the second script "FANTASTIC" Although I must say I haven't yet read awk programming language, so I did not understand the necessity of the line can someone please explain this to me :-) From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 15:37:04 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Mon Apr 6 15:37:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge Message-ID: <284754.22988.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > What does this line mean?? I am sorry > for asking this, > cos I know I mentioned that I have some basic knowledge of > bash & c++ > but I am just realizing that they are hopelessly inadequate > :-( > the line means that if the file with name xxf exists, then append the contents of the sixth file into the 5th. the split command splits the files using -l each, so it will create 5 files of $j lines and one more with the reminding ones, that is why I test whether the file exists or not, if it exists, then append the output to the 5th file. somehow the command I originally sent is flawed, the correct script is... rm -f xaf lc=$(wc -l file| awk '{print $1}') ((j=lc/5)) split -l $j file if [ -f xaf ] ; then cat xaf >> xae ; rm -f xaf; fi the awk '{print $1 }' ; does split the input line and print only the first field ignoring spaces. best regards, esv. From emon at lavabit.com Tue Apr 7 03:55:07 2009 From: emon at lavabit.com (Emon) Date: Tue Apr 7 03:51:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge In-Reply-To: <284754.22988.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <284754.22988.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DB14EB.8060207@lavabit.com> On 04/07/2009 02:37 AM, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > >> What does this line mean?? I am sorry >> for asking this, >> cos I know I mentioned that I have some basic knowledge of >> bash & c++ >> but I am just realizing that they are hopelessly inadequate >> :-( >> > > the line means that if the file with name xxf exists, then > append the contents of the sixth file into the 5th. > > the split command splits the files using -l each, so it will create 5 files of $j lines and one more with the reminding ones, that is why I test whether the file exists or not, if it exists, then append the output to the 5th file. > > somehow the command I originally sent is flawed, the correct script is... > > rm -f xaf > lc=$(wc -l file| awk '{print $1}') > ((j=lc/5)) > split -l $j file > if [ -f xaf ] ; then cat xaf >> xae ; rm -f xaf; fi > > the awk '{print $1 }' ; does split the input line and print only the first field ignoring spaces. > > best regards, > esv. > Thanks Enrique.... you have been a great teacher :-) I wish I could give more just a "thanks"; but that all I have right now So once again, Thank you very much Emon From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 7 09:15:05 2009 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:15:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use Message-ID: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> re. E-N 4/2/2009 headline - is there a campaign against their bandwidth usage proposal? what is their real total bandwidth story? comments anyone? Mike W6GAR From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 09:26:57 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:26:57 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? Ed ========== MK Davis wrote: > re. E-N 4/2/2009 headline - is there a campaign against their > bandwidth usage proposal? what is their real total bandwidth story? > comments anyone? > > Mike > W6GAR From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Apr 7 09:33:10 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:33:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239114790.49db642612ac8@webmail.grandecom.net> way I see it the market will work itself out on this one. the moment time warner changes their fees to a cell phone model customers will leave for the competition (i.e grande communications and AT&T). Todd Quoting ed : > I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? > > Ed > ========== > > MK Davis wrote: > > re. E-N 4/2/2009 headline - is there a campaign against their > > bandwidth usage proposal? what is their real total bandwidth story? > > comments anyone? > > > > Mike > > W6GAR > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 09:33:36 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:33:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> ed wrote: > I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? They're going to start capping bandwidth usage. I don't know how they are going to cap each tier, though. Their line is that 5% of the users are using about 50% of the current bandwidth and to make sure the intertubes are available for future subscribers they have to take measures now to curtail bandwidth hogging. ~Nate From pjcrux at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 09:41:05 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:41:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> does any one have a link to a press release or an article about this? I have seen stories posted on dvice.com and other special interest sites but nothing definitive as to when and how much. Thanks, Peter On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM, N. Turnage wrote: > ed wrote: > >> I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? >> > > They're going to start capping bandwidth usage. I don't know how they are > going to cap each tier, though. Their line is that 5% of the users are using > about 50% of the current bandwidth and to make sure the intertubes are > available for future subscribers they have to take measures now to curtail > bandwidth hogging. > > > ~Nate > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 09:48:39 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:48:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1239114790.49db642612ac8@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <1239114790.49db642612ac8@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <49DB67C7.2030704@gmail.com> toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: > way I see it the market will work itself out on this one. the moment time > warner changes their fees to a cell phone model customers will leave for the > competition (i.e grande communications and AT&T). > Right, but AT&T is going to do this as well. I don't know about Grande, but I live in UC and cannot get them anyway. ~Nate From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Apr 7 09:58:38 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:58:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use Message-ID: <962143cfa4024fd7be6c58e9c8e10a6a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >------- Original Message ------- >From : ed[mailto:horned0wl93@gma >Subject : RE: Re: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use >I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? ------------------------------------------------------ Google is our friend. Lou From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 7 10:01:36 2009 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:02:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> Try: http://www.mysanantonio.com/s?action=login&f=y&search_mode=archives mike Peter Cross wrote: > does any one have a link to a press release or an article about this? I have > seen stories posted on dvice.com and other special interest sites but > nothing definitive as to when and how much. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM, N. Turnage wrote: > > >> ed wrote: >> >> >>> I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? >>> >>> >> They're going to start capping bandwidth usage. I don't know how they are >> going to cap each tier, though. Their line is that 5% of the users are using >> about 50% of the current bandwidth and to make sure the intertubes are >> available for future subscribers they have to take measures now to curtail >> bandwidth hogging. >> >> >> ~Nate >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > > From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 7 10:10:56 2009 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:10:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DB6D00.9080203@earthlink.net> and this: http://www.woai.com/content/news/newslinks/story/Prices-for-Internet-access-may-increase/w2UmXvJU8UyzBwN_2XafRg.cspx Peter Cross wrote: > does any one have a link to a press release or an article about this? I have > seen stories posted on dvice.com and other special interest sites but > nothing definitive as to when and how much. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM, N. Turnage wrote: > > >> ed wrote: >> >> >>> I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? >>> >>> >> They're going to start capping bandwidth usage. I don't know how they are >> going to cap each tier, though. Their line is that 5% of the users are using >> about 50% of the current bandwidth and to make sure the intertubes are >> available for future subscribers they have to take measures now to curtail >> bandwidth hogging. >> >> >> ~Nate >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > > From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 10:18:50 2009 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:18:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I saw an article on this, CW, IIRC, saying that ATT is now testing the metered model in a smaller market. I think the unlimited account will be going away. This is inevitable with Hollywood Marketeers using the PC to replace the home TV and video playback device. My niece now downloads all her Netflix movies !! And the enormous bandwidth needs of games that are now popular !! I think that it is only fair to charge by the GB. Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM, MK Davis wrote: > Try: http://www.mysanantonio.com/s?action=login&f=y&search_mode=archives > > mike > > Peter Cross wrote: >> >> does any one have a link to a press release or an article about this? I >> have >> seen stories posted on dvice.com and other special interest sites but >> nothing definitive as to when and how much. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Peter >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM, N. Turnage wrote: >> >> >>> >>> ed wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> They're going to start capping bandwidth usage. I don't know how they are >>> going to cap each tier, though. Their line is that 5% of the users are >>> using >>> about 50% of the current bandwidth and to make sure the intertubes are >>> available for future subscribers they have to take measures now to >>> curtail >>> bandwidth hogging. >>> >>> >>> ~Nate >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlugacct at jchampion.com Tue Apr 7 10:42:27 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:42:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> the reason that TW and ATT are going to do this is because they offer pay per view movies. if you have a netflix membership which includes streaming at $15/month, why would you buy a movie for $6.99 or higher from the cable providers when you could download it and watch it as part of your membership? this is what the bandwidth cap is about. it has nothing, and i mean nothing to do with that misleading stat. i'm sure 5% of the users are using 50% of the bandwidth somewhere...just not everywhere in Road Runner's system. >From the beginning, TW wanted to have tiered access and bandwidth caps but local folks in every market told them no. so TW corporate got mad but couldn't fight it. now they have this phony-baloney stat they are kicking about and I don't see the FTC or the FCC doing anything to address this anti-competitive move. From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 11:20:52 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:20:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DB7D64.7050307@gmail.com> John Champion wrote: > the reason that TW and ATT are going to do this is because they offer pay > per view movies. if you have a netflix membership which includes streaming > at $15/month, why would you buy a movie for $6.99 or higher from the cable > providers when you could download it and watch it as part of your > membership? > > this is what the bandwidth cap is about. it has nothing, and i mean nothing > to do with that misleading stat. i'm sure 5% of the users are using 50% of > the bandwidth somewhere...just not everywhere in Road Runner's system. > > >From the beginning, TW wanted to have tiered access and bandwidth caps but > local folks in every market told them no. so TW corporate got mad but > couldn't fight it. now they have this phony-baloney stat they are kicking > about and I don't see the FTC or the FCC doing anything to address this > anti-competitive move. > Yeah, what he said. It won't make me abandon Netflix and buy $6 movies from TW though. However, with Netflix announcing the move to an all-download service in the next couple of years, I can see why TW is playing this card. Still sucks for those of us savvy enough to make use of the network though. ~Nate From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 11:22:03 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:22:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49DB7DAB.6070001@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > I think that it is only fair to charge by the > GB. And that is why you fail. ~Nate From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Apr 7 11:30:16 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:30:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49DB7F98.4050302@futuretechsolutions.com> As long as the included bandwidth caps are reasonable and the overage charges are also reasonable I would have no problem with such a plan. Unfortunately, from everything I've read, the caps are way too low, and the overage charges are way too high. I should consider myself lucky that I live in an area with alternate providers. On a brighter note, maybe charging customers that own spam spewing zombies exorbitant amounts of money will get them to clean-up their machines and we will have less spam cluttering our inboxes. Howard Haradon wrote: > I saw an article on this, CW, IIRC, saying that ATT is now > testing the metered model in a smaller market. I think the > unlimited account will be going away. This is inevitable with > Hollywood Marketeers using the PC to replace the home TV and > video playback device. My niece now downloads all her > Netflix movies !! And the enormous bandwidth needs of games that > are now popular !! I think that it is only fair to charge by the > GB. > > Howard From rghetzel at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 11:33:27 2009 From: rghetzel at sbcglobal.net (Dick H) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:33:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB7F98.4050302@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <49DB7F98.4050302@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <49DB8057.5020500@sbcglobal.net> Yes... but unfortunately I'll still have to pay to receive the spam. Now, if they meter the cost outbound, that would be something else. Charles Hogan wrote: > As long as the included bandwidth caps are reasonable and the overage > charges are also reasonable I would have no problem with such a plan. > Unfortunately, from everything I've read, the caps are way too low, > and the overage charges are way too high. I should consider myself > lucky that I live in an area with alternate providers. On a brighter > note, maybe charging customers that own spam spewing zombies > exorbitant amounts of money will get them to clean-up their machines > and we will have less spam cluttering our inboxes. > > > Howard Haradon wrote: >> I saw an article on this, CW, IIRC, saying that ATT is now >> testing the metered model in a smaller market. I think the >> unlimited account will be going away. This is inevitable with >> Hollywood Marketeers using the PC to replace the home TV and >> video playback device. My niece now downloads all her >> Netflix movies !! And the enormous bandwidth needs of games that >> are now popular !! I think that it is only fair to charge by the >> GB. >> >> Howard From sbender at humana.com Tue Apr 7 11:52:23 2009 From: sbender at humana.com (Shawn Bender) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:52:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB7F98.4050302@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: I find this entire thing to be just one big criminal act. But what gets me the most is that the American consumers will not stand up and take action. Like most cowards they are going to run away and burry their head in the sand. This bandwidth cap it nothing but a plan to bilk more out of the average consumer. I am one of the ones who have cut back on my services in order to save a little money. We have a netflix account. We get our TV shows on hulu. Lets think about this then... they continue to raise the price in this economy, then get upset when people start disconnecting service. So they come up with a new way to steal money. And still the public does nothing. Thank you for your time, Shawn Bender Charles Hogan Sent by: satlug-bounces@satlug.org 04/07/2009 11:30 AM Please respond to The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List To "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" cc Subject Re: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use As long as the included bandwidth caps are reasonable and the overage charges are also reasonable I would have no problem with such a plan. Unfortunately, from everything I've read, the caps are way too low, and the overage charges are way too high. I should consider myself lucky that I live in an area with alternate providers. On a brighter note, maybe charging customers that own spam spewing zombies exorbitant amounts of money will get them to clean-up their machines and we will have less spam cluttering our inboxes. Howard Haradon wrote: > I saw an article on this, CW, IIRC, saying that ATT is now > testing the metered model in a smaller market. I think the > unlimited account will be going away. This is inevitable with > Hollywood Marketeers using the PC to replace the home TV and > video playback device. My niece now downloads all her > Netflix movies !! And the enormous bandwidth needs of games that > are now popular !! I think that it is only fair to charge by the > GB. > > Howard -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Apr 7 12:22:31 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Tue Apr 7 12:22:33 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239124951.49db8bd72c175@webmail.grandecom.net> from what I read in the Express news they are starting a research pilot program in SA to determine the feasibility. From what it sounded to me they are at least a year out form making a final decision. Todd Quoting Peter Cross : > does any one have a link to a press release or an article about this? I have > seen stories posted on dvice.com and other special interest sites but > nothing definitive as to when and how much. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:33 AM, N. Turnage wrote: > > > ed wrote: > > > >> I didn't see the article. Whuzzup? > >> > > > > They're going to start capping bandwidth usage. I don't know how they are > > going to cap each tier, though. Their line is that 5% of the users are > using > > about 50% of the current bandwidth and to make sure the intertubes are > > available for future subscribers they have to take measures now to curtail > > bandwidth hogging. > > > > > > ~Nate > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter Cross > 6751 Raintree Path > San Antonio, TX 78233 > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Apr 7 12:25:17 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Tue Apr 7 12:25:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB67C7.2030704@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <1239114790.49db642612ac8@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DB67C7.2030704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239125117.49db8c7daf0ae@webmail.grandecom.net> > Right, but AT&T is going to do this as well. I don't know about Grande, > but I live in UC and cannot get them anyway. > > > ~Nate I had not heard of AT$T going this way. If this is true then this will help give TW cover to jack thier rates up on us. On the other hand, If Grande is smart they will use this as an oportunity to expand their customer base. That is provided they can expand their bandwidth and coverage area to meet the demand Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Apr 7 12:29:06 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net) Date: Tue Apr 7 12:29:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> It seems to me that the only way to make TW and AT&T respond to this is to make some noise. It kept them from doing it before and its the only means we have to keep them from doing it now. That is outside of leaving TW for the competition. Todd From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 12:40:09 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 7 12:40:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DB8FF9.9080506@gmail.com> Shawn Bender wrote: > And still the public does nothing. > Methinks that rising cable prices is not the only thing on your mind. ~Nate From emon at lavabit.com Tue Apr 7 13:26:20 2009 From: emon at lavabit.com (Emon) Date: Tue Apr 7 13:22:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge In-Reply-To: <49DB14EB.8060207@lavabit.com> References: <284754.22988.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49DB14EB.8060207@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <49DB9ACC.3070405@lavabit.com> Hi again I made some minor modifications to the script, it now looks like this ***************************************** #!/bin/bash printf "Enter absolute file path " read FILE lc=$(wc -l $FILE | awk '{print $1}') ((j=lc/5)) for i in 1 2 3 4 do ((x=j*i)) head -$x $FILE | tail -$j >> File_Section_$i done ((x=x+1)) tail +$x $FILE >> File_Section_5 ***************************************** I have run this script on an file (also named "file") in my home directory which sixteen lines with the numbers one to sixteen typed at the beginning of each line; and it works just fine. I am running "openSUSE 11.1" fully updated. But when I ran this program on a "RHEL 5.2" machine on the same file, it produces five files but reported error ************** tail: cannot open `+13' for reading: No such file or directory ************** When I checked the output of the 5th file (File_Section_5); it looked like this ********************* ==> /home/student/file <== 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 ********************* So, have I made any mistake in the script or is there something else that I over looked??? Emon From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 15:37:56 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Tue Apr 7 15:37:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge Message-ID: <94103.75808.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> check the man page for the tail command on RH, it might not support the + option... best regards, esv. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Emon wrote: > From: Emon > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 2:26 PM > Hi again > > I made some minor modifications to the script, it now looks > like this > > > ***************************************** > > #!/bin/bash > > printf "Enter absolute file path " > > read FILE > > lc=$(wc -l $FILE | awk '{print $1}') > ((j=lc/5)) > > for i in 1 2 3 4 > do > ((x=j*i)) > head -$x $FILE | tail -$j >> > File_Section_$i > done > > ((x=x+1)) > tail +$x $FILE >> File_Section_5 > > ***************************************** > > I have run this script on an file (also named "file") in my > home > directory which sixteen lines with the numbers one to > sixteen typed at > the beginning of each line; and it works just fine. I am > running > "openSUSE 11.1" fully updated. > But when I ran this program on a "RHEL 5.2" machine on the > same file, it > produces five files but reported error > > ************** > tail: cannot open `+13' for reading: No such file or > directory > ************** > > When I checked the output of the 5th file (File_Section_5); > it looked > like this > > ********************* > ==> /home/student/file <== > 7 > 8 > 9 > 10 > 11 > 12 > 13 > 14 > 15 > 16 > ********************* > > So, have I made any mistake in the script or is there > something else > that I over looked??? > > Emon > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at net153.net Tue Apr 7 15:43:44 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue Apr 7 15:43:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49DBBB00.1070408@net153.net> Yep this really sucks. I have many servers that I run "for fun" behind my roadrunner connection. Servers of any kind might be against the TOS but I don't care, it is fun and educational. So because of this I don't really have any way to predict my usage. And getting charged extra ain't fun at all... Obviously this is a direct attack against netflix and hulu. The RIAA and other similar agencies begged for years to get isp's to cap their usage but the isp's held their ground. But with the introduction of these movie streaming services, we see how quickly they changed their plans. There is a petition online: http://www.petitiononline.com/nocap/petition.html Timewarner does have the "2 year price lock guarantee", but I don't know if signing up with that right now would exclude you from these caps that are to be implemented over the summer. Time warner does offer Earthlink as another isp. But details are sketchy as to if they will also be capped: http://stopthecap.com/ AT&T dsl is also playing with caps in the Reno area. So I don't know if it would be safe with them. In many areas people can get internet from the wireless motorola canopy system from GVEC http://www.gvec.net/services.asp but their plans have alot of up front and rental equipment charges. Although their speeds are slow, I would gladly trade in my 7000/512kbs capped connection for a 512/512kbs non capped one. I have time to wait for a download. I don't have money or the patients to plan out my data usage in 30 day blocks. That would require innovation on my end, and I would rather see the innovation coming from their end. I feel like the end of a great age is upon us. Unforgivable. Sam From siffland at nerdshack.com Tue Apr 7 18:34:16 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Tue Apr 7 18:34:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DBBB00.1070408@net153.net> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DBBB00.1070408@net153.net> Message-ID: <3ae131d00904071634i56a1b3e6h899e7c6b99b35b16@mail.gmail.com> I found this quote online about grande: "The other broadband provider in Austin, Grande Communications, does not engage in bandwidth metering and has no plans to do so, Chief Operating Officer Scott Ferguson said. Ferguson said Grande?s all-fiber-optic network has fewer bandwidth constraints than other providers?." All the petitions in the world is not going to stop this, the only way to send a true message is to drop time Warner, and i am not talking about just dropping cable modem, cable and phone too. I had heard in the same article "rumors" that at&t was going to cap it also but at 150GB or 250GB. I wish i could find the article again but i also read (I was pissed when i heard about this, fsck time Warner) they were not going to implement caps in big cities where they are in direct competition with Verizon's Fios (i think that is it). Because they cannot compete with it to begin with. I am not even going to wait to switch and i will be sure to tell them why i am dropping them. I loved grande when i could get service from them. I don't like at&t but i don't think their caps will be as pathetic at time warners, 40GB, the kids watching netflix is going to kill that and renting paid per view, 2 of the last 3 times i have tired to get one i get service not available. I best stop here, the other sysadmins had to hear me go on for an hour about this last week. So just remember if you drop them let them know why you did.....55 bucks for 40GB's....... Sean From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Apr 7 19:37:57 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Apr 7 19:37:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00904071634i56a1b3e6h899e7c6b99b35b16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > I best stop here, the other sysadmins had to hear me go on for an hour > about this last week. So just remember if you drop them let them know > why you did.....55 bucks for 40GB's....... > > Sean I agree, it is pathetic. The UTHSCSA made some deal with TW for commercial grade service. We have had it for years and it has worked quite well. If they start metering it I will do everything I can to have the University find a different contract partner. This is not what I signed up for. -b. From siffland at nerdshack.com Tue Apr 7 20:22:25 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Tue Apr 7 20:22:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Shell scripting challenge In-Reply-To: <49D98476.8030301@lavabit.com> References: <49D98476.8030301@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00904071822o2622a9cckf8ced46cce288145@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Emon wrote: > Hi all > > I am studying for RHCE exam. The instructor is a friend of mine, and he > has issued me an off topic challenge. The challenge is ?.... > > To write a shell script that will take a given text file as input & > divide into five equal but different files. If the number of lines in > the file is not perfectly divisible by five, then ?the last file should > contain the extra lines; i.e. if the total number of lines in the > original file is 16, then it should divide them into 5 files, where the > first 4 files should contain 3 lines each & the fifth file should > contain 4 lines. > > I have some very basic (Bash) shell scripting & (C++) programming > concept, but shamefully I must admit that I can't figure out very much. > > All I have figured out is that I should use "wc -l" command to find out > the number of lines in the file & store it in a variable & then divide > it by 5; but after that how should I store the quotient & the > reminder??..... and how do I use those numbers to process the file??? > > Any help/pointer would be very much appreciated. > > Emon > Yeah it is not shell, sue me... #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use File::Path; my $begin = () ; my $count = () ; my $end = () ; my $file = '/tmp/file' ; my @hosts = () ; open(FILE, "< $file") or die ("can't open $file: $!"); $count++ while ; open(FILE, "< $file") or die ("can't open $file: $!"); @hosts=; my $dividend = $count ; my $divisor = 5 ; my $quotient = ($dividend - ($dividend % $divisor)) / $divisor ; my $remainder = $dividend % $divisor ; $begin = 0; $end = ($quotient - 1); for (my $number = 1; $number <= 4; $number++) { open DAT, ">>/tmp/test$number" or die $!; print DAT @hosts[$begin..$end]; $begin = ($end + 1); $end = ($begin + $quotient -1); close DAT; } $end = ($end + $remainder); open DAT, ">>/tmp/test5" or die $!; print DAT @hosts[$begin..$end]; close DAT; kinda ugly, but it works on most platforms..... From gregswift at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 21:30:30 2009 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Tue Apr 7 21:30:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] backups In-Reply-To: <200904061406.n36E6cbT011513@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200904061406.n36E6cbT011513@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70904071930k5840e270o74563e4e73a955d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 09:06, Borries Demeler wrote: > > How could I change the script or use some kind of open source backup > software > that can accomplish this? It would be nice to have some sort of backup > manager. > I would like to just save the diffs, perhaps archived and compressed to > save > space, bu be able to go back several versions. WHat would you all > recommend? > would take a slight bit of changing to the config file to handle the fact that its local copies, but you might check this out: http://backuppc.sf.net might seem a touch overkill at first, but it uses hardlinks to basically perform data de-duplication and provides a nice little web interface. From JimParkhurst at austin.rr.com Tue Apr 7 21:51:13 2009 From: JimParkhurst at austin.rr.com (Jim Parkhurst) Date: Tue Apr 7 21:51:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> In another thread - Yahoo Cable - which was/is discussing the same thing a point was brought up that the cable companies (TWC) need to get permission from the cities that they want to serve. toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: > It seems to me that the only way to make TW and AT&T respond to this is to make > some noise. It kept them from doing it before and its the only means we have to > keep them from doing it now. That is outside of leaving TW for the competition. > > Todd > > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 22:36:46 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Apr 7 22:36:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> Jim Parkhurst wrote: > In another thread - Yahoo Cable - which was/is discussing the same > thing a point was brought up that the cable companies (TWC) need to > get permission from the cities that they want to serve. And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. A better bet for us might be to engage the EFF and/or similar organizations to fuel the fight. TWC's actions are in large part (if the flip-side) what the "Net Neutrality" battle is all about -- if they can't kill sites due to either commercial viability or the 1st Amendment, then they'll throttle the users via their pocketbooks. Their message is clear either way. They want control, or they want money. 6-5, pick 'em... Cheers; Ed ======================= > > toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: >> It seems to me that the only way to make TW and AT&T respond to this >> is to make >> some noise. It kept them from doing it before and its the only means >> we have to >> keep them from doing it now. That is outside of leaving TW for the >> competition. >> >> Todd >> >> From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 23:09:34 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Apr 7 23:09:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Jim Parkhurst wrote: >In another thread - Yahoo Cable - which was/is discussing the same thing >a point was brought up that the cable companies (TWC) need to get >permission from the cities that they want to serve. I doubt that. The usual excuse is that {dastardly scheme d'jour} is required to prevent network abuse and ensure "fair" access for everyone. Such weasel words are in the Terms of Service already, so... no appointment necessary. (As I understand it, the permission from the cities is just "Can we string wires across your streets?" The Federal courts have stripped all other local regulatory powers.) --Don -- Migraine: All the fun of a hangover without the bother of getting drunk. From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 23:14:10 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 7 23:14:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> ed wrote: > > Jim Parkhurst wrote: >> In another thread - Yahoo Cable - which was/is discussing the same >> thing a point was brought up that the cable companies (TWC) need to >> get permission from the cities that they want to serve. > And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in > Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this > happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. Easy, man. This isn't a political issue, and the name calling is completely unnecessary. Let's not start down that path. Maybe, we should get together and go to the next city council meeting to voice our opinion? > > A better bet for us might be to engage the EFF and/or similar > organizations to fuel the fight. > TWC's actions are in large part (if the flip-side) what the "Net > Neutrality" battle is all about -- if they can't kill sites due to > either commercial viability or the 1st Amendment, then they'll > throttle the users via their pocketbooks. Their message is clear > either way. They want control, or they want money. 6-5, pick 'em... Then there is no better time to dig in and fight them then. ~Nate From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 23:36:00 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Apr 7 23:36:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DC29B0.2050602@gmail.com> N. Turnage wrote: > ed wrote: >> >> Jim Parkhurst wrote: >>> In another thread - Yahoo Cable - which was/is discussing the same >>> thing a point was brought up that the cable companies (TWC) need to >>> get permission from the cities that they want to serve. >> And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in >> Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this >> happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. > Easy, man. This isn't a political issue, and the name calling is > completely unnecessary. Let's not start down that path. Maybe, we > should get together and go to the next city council meeting to voice > our opinion? My apologies for the slur. Maybe I'm reading more into this than is there, but I don't think so... Any time a control is instituted, be it legal or economical, it does become a political issue. If it didn't how and why would anybody be asked to take a stand on it? Isn't this "an issue?" We complain about people rolling over and taking it; We're asking them to wake-up and act. Hm. Seems pretty political to me... (Classic definition of "politics" from my undergrad days at UTSA: "Who gets what, how do they get it, and why? "Net Neutrality" is and always has been one of my hot-button issues...) >> >> A better bet for us might be to engage the EFF and/or similar >> organizations to fuel the fight. >> TWC's actions are in large part (if the flip-side) what the "Net >> Neutrality" battle is all about -- if they can't kill sites due to >> either commercial viability or the 1st Amendment, then they'll >> throttle the users via their pocketbooks. Their message is clear >> either way. They want control, or they want money. 6-5, pick 'em... > Then there is no better time to dig in and fight them then. Any suggestions? I've suggested contacting the EFF. Any other organizations we might enlist? Cheers; Ed > > > > ~Nate From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 00:39:47 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Apr 8 00:39:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Grub Boot Loader and Pushing Linux Images Message-ID: <49DC38A3.7060005@gmail.com> Hello, and...HELP!! Please? I'm currently doing a project which requires, among other things, proof that an Ubuntu Linux image can be pushed across a network to several other machines. My first tests have failed. If you would, please read the whole situation, and then offer any advice you please... For the test, I setup the following conditions: 1. /Master System/: 1- Dell Optiplex GX270, 2GHz Intel P4 processor, 1GB RAM, 2x80GB WD HDD (one backup); Ubuntu 8.10 fresh install, fully updated and working nicely on 32MB nVidia graphics; WINE installed, a successful proprietary program running under WINE. Used Norton Ghost 8.0 to copy primary drive to backup drive. Both booted successfully. Mirroring not established (held for later). 2. /Target Clients/: 3 - Dell Optiplex GX270, 2GHz Intel P4 processor, 512MB RAM, 1x40GB unformatted WD HDD; 32MB nVidia graphics. Master and Clients are all on the same switch. 3. /Test/: Using Novell ZenWorks, setup 3 target systems as clients on session /pushtest/, using command /img s pushtest/. Setup master system as master using command /img s pushtest m;/ (verified all) /Start Session/. 4. /Problem 1/: Test appeared to run successfully, albeit quite slowly, up through about the 50% point (on progress bar at both master and client stations). However, at about the 50% point, the Master unit halted with "unknown error," and reverted to a black screen with a Bash# prompt. All target clients froze, and required a hard (with the button) shutdown. 5. /Problem 2/: On rebooting the Master unit, with the ZenWorks disk removed, I found that the Grub boot loader on the master unit was corrupt and would not boot - kept cycling back to the Dell splash screen. However, when I booted to an Ubuntu Live CD, and accessed the main drive from it, it appeared that my file system on the main drive was intact. Maybe just the Grub boot loader is gone? 6. /Retest/: I setup exactly the same conditions as in 1 - 3, but with only one target client, and swapped it's 40GB HDD for an 80GB HDD, to match the master, and tried the process again -- the same master unit, the backup OS HDD, and the single target machine (Client 1) with the new 80GB HDD. /_The results were exactly the same as the first test_:/ The Master halted at just-over 50% with an unknown error; the client froze and required a hard shutdown; and the Master unit's HDD grub boot loader would, again, no longer boot. Again, a review of the master's backup HDD shows the file system apparently intact. /Help needed/: 1. Is there a good piece of F/OSS software that can handle a push like I'm trying to perform in a Debian/Ubuntu-type Linux environment? If so, can someone please point me at it? If not, what would you recommend? 2. Does anyone have a clue what happened to my Grub boot loaders? I really don't wanna think that ZenWorks over-wrote them... 3. Could someone please guide me in restoring my boot loaders -- at least one of them? Admittedly, I'm a bit weak in that area, but I'm a pretty quick study... I have the machine at home with me for the moment, with both drives unmodified since testing, but will need to return it to work by Thursday. Any help greatly appreciated... Cheers; Ed From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Apr 8 05:25:34 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Apr 8 05:25:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DC7B9E.60901@w5omr.shacknet.nu> ed wrote: > > > Jim Parkhurst wrote: >> In another thread - Yahoo Cable - which was/is discussing the same >> thing a point was brought up that the cable companies (TWC) need to >> get permission from the cities that they want to serve. > And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in > Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this > happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. you're damn right, it is. And the Democraps want to take away our freedoms, our right to bear arms, and if we let -that- happen, there's no telling where it wind up, including having the Democrapic government tell us that we -must- run only Windows. Thomas Jefferson said (kinda closely, anyway) A Government big enough to give you everything you need, is big enough to take it away, too. Being a Texan is not a geographical placement. Being Texan is a state of mind. My mind is currently torqued-off at the fact that the current president lied his way to the office. He denied knowing the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers, when it was Ayers own living room, where Obama's political career was launched. Denied being influenced by Reverend Wright (everyone has heard that story) denied knowing Farhakhan, when evidence proves otherwise. Now, they are taking away our guns, they are taking away our rights, one at a time, they are raising our taxes (a campaign promise -not- to do) they're sending -more- troops to Afghanistan, pulling troops out of Iraq, and setting free hundreds of international terrorists who were rightfully held as prisoners following the attack on New York City. Damn right, this is a RED state! To think of what the democraps are doing to us, gives me the RED ASS! > A better bet for us might be to engage the EFF and/or similar > organizations to fuel the fight. > TWC's actions are in large part (if the flip-side) what the "Net > Neutrality" battle is all about -- if they can't kill sites due to > either commercial viability or the 1st Amendment, then they'll > throttle the users via their pocketbooks. Their message is clear > either way. They want control, or they want money. 6-5, pick 'em... They want control -and- money. This current administration is going to be -taking- it. They won't be asking for it. Think I'll build a boat... From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Wed Apr 8 05:27:10 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Wed Apr 8 05:27:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> >> And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in >> Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this >> happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. > Easy, man. This isn't a political issue, and the name calling is > completely unnecessary. Let's not start down that path. Maybe, we > should get together and go to the next city council meeting to voice > our opinion? Sorry Nate. I went there. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Apr 8 07:48:16 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Apr 8 07:48:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] backups In-Reply-To: <4e3f91d70904071930k5840e270o74563e4e73a955d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904081248.n38CmGnX020797@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Thanks, Greg, this looks interesting - I'll take a look. > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 09:06, Borries Demeler > wrote: > > > > > How could I change the script or use some kind of open source backup > > software > > that can accomplish this? It would be nice to have some sort of backup > > manager. > > I would like to just save the diffs, perhaps archived and compressed to > > save > > space, bu be able to go back several versions. WHat would you all > > recommend? > > > > would take a slight bit of changing to the config file to handle the fact > that its local copies, but you might check this out: > > http://backuppc.sf.net > > might seem a touch overkill at first, but it uses hardlinks to basically > perform data de-duplication and provides a nice little web interface. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlugacct at jchampion.com Wed Apr 8 09:19:07 2009 From: satlugacct at jchampion.com (John Champion) Date: Wed Apr 8 09:19:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <1cb556d10904080719k1ad3f05bx83c2f2b220790f65@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Geoff wrote: > > >> And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in > >> Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this > >> happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. > > Easy, man. This isn't a political issue, and the name calling is > > completely unnecessary. Let's not start down that path. Maybe, we > > should get together and go to the next city council meeting to voice > > our opinion? > > Sorry Nate. I went there. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > for the person who commented that the Democrats want to take away rights, might I remind you that in 1999, it was former President George W. Bush who said that there ought to be limits to freedom and during his 8 years in office that's exactly what we got? the left wants to control one way and the right wants to control another way. the way i look at it, we could have a european styled liberty or an afghan styled liberty. one says that the religious control everything and dictate what is proper and legal (ala the rightwingers) or we have to become treehuggers and have laws empowering the environment. either way..it's bad. From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 10:31:17 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Wed Apr 8 10:31:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1cb556d10904080719k1ad3f05bx83c2f2b220790f65@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1cb556d10904080719k1ad3f05bx83c2f2b220790f65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> John Champion wrote: > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Geoff wrote: > > >>>> And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in >>>> Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this >>>> happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. >>>> >>> Easy, man. This isn't a political issue, and the name calling is >>> completely unnecessary. Let's not start down that path. Maybe, we >>> should get together and go to the next city council meeting to voice >>> our opinion? >>> >> Sorry Nate. I went there. >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > for the person who commented that the Democrats want to take away rights, > might I remind you that in 1999, it was former President George W. Bush who > said that there ought to be limits to freedom and during his 8 years in > office that's exactly what we got? > Regardless of which party's puppet is in office their goal is still the same: they want to watch us, control us, take our money, and then kill us. With very very few exceptions, there hasn't been a decent politician in Washington since the Kennedy brothers were murdered. > the left wants to control one way and the right wants to control another > way. > > the way i look at it, we could have a european styled liberty or an afghan > styled liberty. one says that the religious control everything and dictate > what is proper and legal (ala the rightwingers) or we have to become > treehuggers and have laws empowering the environment. either way..it's bad. > Obama's way is the European way. Get ready for it or fight it. Change is coming. This thread has moved *way* off topic. Neither political party controls the local government. The question is how do we best fight TW's bandwidth caps? ~Nate From jtiner at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 8 11:39:14 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Wed Apr 8 11:39:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> UTHSCSA doesn't use RR. They do use Time-Warner but that is a different division from RR. Caps being mentioned are for residential users of RR and not the Business Class (at least as I understand it) and of course the division that does T1 and higher (what UTHSCSA has) is definitely not affected. Still sucks though and the only way to change it is to vote with your dollars. Of course, if you can talk city council into not allowing any new cables to be run in San Antonio unless they eliminate caps, then that is an option as well. On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 19:37 -0500, Borries Demeler wrote: > > > > I best stop here, the other sysadmins had to hear me go on for an hour > > about this last week. So just remember if you drop them let them know > > why you did.....55 bucks for 40GB's....... > > > > Sean > > I agree, it is pathetic. The UTHSCSA made some deal with TW for commercial > grade service. We have had it for years and it has worked quite well. If > they start metering it I will do everything I can to have the University > find a different contract partner. This is not what I signed up for. > > -b. From jtiner at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 8 11:45:24 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Wed Apr 8 11:45:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1cb556d10904080719k1ad3f05bx83c2f2b220790f65@mail.gmail.com> <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239209124.26225.12.camel@james-desktop> Isn't it great that GNU/Linux attracts people from all over the political spectrum? From Communist to Anarchist, all beliefs are represented. I'm sure that it is true of the religious spectrum as well but it is off-topic and probably doesn't belong on this list, at least with the current subject line. Of course, I have a graphic I created (which is a modified version of one created by a libertarian talk show host) that I will share off list if anyone is interested. It has a short narrative to go with it. Oh, and please don't confuse Libertarian with Liberal. ;-) On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:31 -0500, N. Turnage wrote: > John Champion wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Geoff wrote: > > > > > >>>> And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in > >>>> Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this > >>>> happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. > >>>> > >>> Easy, man. This isn't a political issue, and the name calling is > >>> completely unnecessary. Let's not start down that path. Maybe, we > >>> should get together and go to the next city council meeting to voice > >>> our opinion? > >>> > >> Sorry Nate. I went there. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > >> > > > > for the person who commented that the Democrats want to take away rights, > > might I remind you that in 1999, it was former President George W. Bush who > > said that there ought to be limits to freedom and during his 8 years in > > office that's exactly what we got? > > > Regardless of which party's puppet is in office their goal is still the > same: they want to watch us, control us, take our money, and then kill > us. With very very few exceptions, there hasn't been a decent politician > in Washington since the Kennedy brothers were murdered. > > the left wants to control one way and the right wants to control another > > way. > > > > the way i look at it, we could have a european styled liberty or an afghan > > styled liberty. one says that the religious control everything and dictate > > what is proper and legal (ala the rightwingers) or we have to become > > treehuggers and have laws empowering the environment. either way..it's bad. > > > Obama's way is the European way. Get ready for it or fight it. Change is > coming. > > This thread has moved *way* off topic. Neither political party controls > the local government. The question is how do we best fight TW's > bandwidth caps? > > > ~Nate From pjcrux at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 12:59:15 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Wed Apr 8 12:59:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1cb556d10904080719k1ad3f05bx83c2f2b220790f65@mail.gmail.com> <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0904081059v43839178la8c25dc3ab3a2680@mail.gmail.com> As a Crime Warner customer this effectively negates one of the most attractive benefits of my current employer. I work as a Inside Sales Rep and during the course of the day I am on multiple microsoft office live meetings, centra meetings, downloading/uploading powerpoints for presentations, uploading files for sales pitches (quotes, configurations, services contracts etc), using two different VOIP phones (work and home), and multiple other upload/download instances during the course of my day. My wife and I are looking to other providers now. I'm sure the occasional day at home wouldn't be too much of a strain on my bill but my working for a week or few weeks from home is now impossible when this goes into effect without substantially raising my bill. With cost of gas and the current economic situation this is just one more thing in our lives that will either have to go away or we will have to find another inch of belt to tighten that's already pretty small. Cheers! Peter On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:31 AM, N. Turnage wrote: > John Champion wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Geoff wrote: >> >> >> >>> And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in >>>>> Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this >>>>> happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Easy, man. This isn't a political issue, and the name calling is >>>> completely unnecessary. Let's not start down that path. Maybe, we >>>> should get together and go to the next city council meeting to voice >>>> our opinion? >>>> >>>> >>> Sorry Nate. I went there. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >>> >> >> for the person who commented that the Democrats want to take away rights, >> might I remind you that in 1999, it was former President George W. Bush >> who >> said that there ought to be limits to freedom and during his 8 years in >> office that's exactly what we got? >> >> > Regardless of which party's puppet is in office their goal is still the > same: they want to watch us, control us, take our money, and then kill us. > With very very few exceptions, there hasn't been a decent politician in > Washington since the Kennedy brothers were murdered. > >> the left wants to control one way and the right wants to control another >> way. >> >> the way i look at it, we could have a european styled liberty or an afghan >> styled liberty. one says that the religious control everything and dictate >> what is proper and legal (ala the rightwingers) or we have to become >> treehuggers and have laws empowering the environment. either way..it's >> bad. >> >> > Obama's way is the European way. Get ready for it or fight it. Change is > coming. > > This thread has moved *way* off topic. Neither political party controls the > local government. The question is how do we best fight TW's bandwidth caps? > > > ~Nate > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 8 13:05:09 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Apr 8 13:05:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 Message-ID: Tonight's meeting should be the usual mix of items. Enrique Sanchez Vela offered a presentation on the Processing language that helped him with a data visualization project. A few others suggested tiny/rescue/toolkit distros, so I'll try to have some available to discuss. We'll plan a bit for the May 30 Computer Show (www.PCshowS.com), and Jim Wells will report on the SATLUG shirt order. Parking will be very limited on that side of SAC for many months, so come early and cast a wide net. See you there! --Don -- www.satlug.org - The official reference for SATLUG matters. From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:06:28 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Wed Apr 8 13:06:30 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1cb556d10904080719k1ad3f05bx83c2f2b220790f65@mail.gmail.com> <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0904081106w586b8025oee506d9956e2b98d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:31 AM, N. Turnage wrote: > This thread has moved *way* off topic. Neither political party controls the > local government. The question is how do we best fight TW's bandwidth caps? > > > ~Nate > -- If you're a Time Warner customer, then cancel your account and move to DSL/FiOS. The only way to get the attention of large corporations is to hit their bottom line. If you have friends/family who do not understand bandwidth and simply go for the cheapest plan, educate them about the potential cost of going over and encourage them to change providers. With services like Hulu, Netflix, BlockBuster, etc streaming high def video, even normal usage without p2p traffic can put you over the limits on the smaller plans. If you want to be more subversive or don't have an option on Internet connectivity, get the plan you can afford and make sure you use max bandwidth every month without going over :) For double bonus, use microsoft.com as your bit source and keep downloading XP SP2 over and over again. -Henry From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:41:31 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Apr 8 13:41:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> James Tiner wrote: > UTHSCSA doesn't use RR. They do use Time-Warner but that is a different > division from RR. Caps being mentioned are for residential users of RR > and not the Business Class (at least as I understand it) and of course > the division that does T1 and higher (what UTHSCSA has) is definitely > not affected. > > Still sucks though and the only way to change it is to vote with your > dollars. Of course, if you can talk city council into not allowing any > new cables to be run in San Antonio unless they eliminate caps, then > that is an option as well. > It just might at that... When does City Council have open meetings? Cheers; Ed > On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 19:37 -0500, Borries Demeler wrote: > >>> I best stop here, the other sysadmins had to hear me go on for an hour >>> about this last week. So just remember if you drop them let them know >>> why you did.....55 bucks for 40GB's....... >>> >>> Sean >>> >> I agree, it is pathetic. The UTHSCSA made some deal with TW for commercial >> grade service. We have had it for years and it has worked quite well. If >> they start metering it I will do everything I can to have the University >> find a different contract partner. This is not what I signed up for. >> >> -b. >> > > From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:47:46 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Wed Apr 8 13:47:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0904081106w586b8025oee506d9956e2b98d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1cb556d10904080719k1ad3f05bx83c2f2b220790f65@mail.gmail.com> <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> <1003aeaa0904081106w586b8025oee506d9956e2b98d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DCF152.4070407@gmail.com> Henry Pugsley wrote: > If you want to be more subversive or don't have an option on Internet > connectivity, get the plan you can afford and make sure you use max > bandwidth every month without going over :) For double bonus, use > microsoft.com as your bit source and keep downloading XP SP2 over and > over again. I like the way you think. ~Nate From barmstrong at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 8 13:53:49 2009 From: barmstrong at satx.rr.com (bill) Date: Wed Apr 8 13:54:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> Go to the first meeting of the week, not the B Session. Sign up to speak. You can speak about any subject. Make sure you fill out the book correctly or you will be the last to be heard, if even then. On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 13:41 -0500, ed wrote: > > James Tiner wrote: > > UTHSCSA doesn't use RR. They do use Time-Warner but that is a different > > division from RR. Caps being mentioned are for residential users of RR > > and not the Business Class (at least as I understand it) and of course > > the division that does T1 and higher (what UTHSCSA has) is definitely > > not affected. > > > > Still sucks though and the only way to change it is to vote with your > > dollars. Of course, if you can talk city council into not allowing any > > new cables to be run in San Antonio unless they eliminate caps, then > > that is an option as well. > > > It just might at that... When does City Council have open meetings? > > Cheers; > Ed > > On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 19:37 -0500, Borries Demeler wrote: > > > >>> I best stop here, the other sysadmins had to hear me go on for an hour > >>> about this last week. So just remember if you drop them let them know > >>> why you did.....55 bucks for 40GB's....... > >>> > >>> Sean > >>> > >> I agree, it is pathetic. The UTHSCSA made some deal with TW for commercial > >> grade service. We have had it for years and it has worked quite well. If > >> they start metering it I will do everything I can to have the University > >> find a different contract partner. This is not what I signed up for. > >> > >> -b. > >> > > > > From satlug at net153.net Wed Apr 8 15:03:26 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Apr 8 15:03:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> Message-ID: <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> bill wrote: > Go to the first meeting of the week, not the B Session. Sign up to > speak. You can speak about any subject. Make sure you fill out the book > correctly or you will be the last to be heard, if even then. > > I would like to go. Please keep the list informed and maybe we could get a nice big group to go. Sam From satlug at net153.net Wed Apr 8 15:15:59 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Apr 8 15:16:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> Message-ID: <49DD05FF.5000309@net153.net> bill wrote: > Go to the first meeting of the week, not the B Session. Sign up to > speak. You can speak about any subject. Make sure you fill out the book > correctly or you will be the last to be heard, if even then. > Looks like a few meetings going on in Austin: http://stopthecap.com/ Sam From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 16:01:13 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Apr 8 16:01:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> Message-ID: <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> I'll be researching City Council Meetings today and tomorrow. Will let y'all know what I find... Samuel Leon wrote: > bill wrote: >> Go to the first meeting of the week, not the B Session. Sign up to >> speak. You can speak about any subject. Make sure you fill out the book >> correctly or you will be the last to be heard, if even then. >> >> > > > I would like to go. Please keep the list informed and maybe we could > get a nice big group to go. > > Sam From gtmo321 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 8 17:03:04 2009 From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis) Date: Wed Apr 8 17:03:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> Check out this link, it is on topic - http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/broadband-and-video-competition-big-items-for-april-fcc-meeting mike ed wrote: > I'll be researching City Council Meetings today and tomorrow. Will > let y'all know what I find... > > Samuel Leon wrote: >> bill wrote: >>> Go to the first meeting of the week, not the B Session. Sign up to >>> speak. You can speak about any subject. Make sure you fill out the book >>> correctly or you will be the last to be heard, if even then. >>> >>> >> >> >> I would like to go. Please keep the list informed and maybe we could >> get a nice big group to go. >> >> Sam From satlug at net153.net Wed Apr 8 17:31:55 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Apr 8 17:31:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49DD25DB.8040900@net153.net> MK Davis wrote: > Check out this link, it is on topic - > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/broadband-and-video-competition-big-items-for-april-fcc-meeting > > > mike Hmm so they are requesting info, but I can't figure out how to get my info to them... Sam From scs at worldlinkisp.com Wed Apr 8 18:23:50 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Wed Apr 8 18:23:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use Message-ID: <76eeb2c5d4214d32a5dc76cd7077de61.scs@worldlinkisp.com> If you're a Time Warner customer, then cancel your account and move to DSL/FiOS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- DSL Extteme may be worth a look. And the Obama fans, could write your Home Boy, maybe he can Louu From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 18:47:48 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Apr 8 18:47:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49DD37A4.7080504@gmail.com> Hi All; Here's the current City Council Agenda, Rules and Requirements: > http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetings.asp > http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingconduct.asp > http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingappear.asp If I understand correctly, the next City Council Meeting, "A" Session, is tomorrow at 9:00am; and the later "Citizens to be Heard" meeting is on the same day at 6:00pm. Less than a day is pretty short notice, so, we might want to consider next week at either the "A" or the "Citizens" sessions -- or maybe a few of us at each. Thoughts...? Cheers; Ed ========== MK Davis wrote: > Check out this link, it is on topic - > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/broadband-and-video-competition-big-items-for-april-fcc-meeting > > > mike > > ed wrote: >> I'll be researching City Council Meetings today and tomorrow. Will >> let y'all know what I find... >> >> Samuel Leon wrote: >>> bill wrote: >>>> Go to the first meeting of the week, not the B Session. Sign up to >>>> speak. You can speak about any subject. Make sure you fill out the >>>> book >>>> correctly or you will be the last to be heard, if even then. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> I would like to go. Please keep the list informed and maybe we >>> could get a nice big group to go. >>> >>> Sam From siffland at nerdshack.com Wed Apr 8 19:29:50 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Apr 8 19:29:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Grub Boot Loader and Pushing Linux Images In-Reply-To: <49DC38A3.7060005@gmail.com> References: <49DC38A3.7060005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00904081729y75066fb6t4715e59576b19f31@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:39 AM, ed wrote: > Hello, and...HELP!! ?Please? > > I'm currently doing a project which requires, among other things, proof that > an Ubuntu Linux image can be pushed across a network to several other > machines. ? My first tests have failed. ? If you would, please read the > whole situation, and then offer any advice you please... > > > 1. ?Is there a good piece of F/OSS software that can handle a push like I'm > trying to perform in a Debian/Ubuntu-type Linux environment? ?If so, can > someone please point me at it? ?If not, what would you recommend? > I might have miss read what you are trying to do but the program systemimager can take an image of a system and distribute it across the network. We tested it at work before deciding on storix for network distribution of our baseline operating system. http://wiki.systemimager.org/index.php/Main_Page Here is gentoo's bootloader setup page (grub and lilo). http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10 It is not ubuntu, but grub is grub, on a side note i would recommend (regardless if you like the distro or not) reading the gentoo hand book and doing a grueling install of it if you would like to learn a little more about basic OS stuff and compiling the Linux kernel itself, granted not as much as Linux from scratch. Sean From siffland at nerdshack.com Wed Apr 8 19:45:11 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Apr 8 19:45:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Grub Boot Loader and Pushing Linux Images In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00904081729y75066fb6t4715e59576b19f31@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DC38A3.7060005@gmail.com> <3ae131d00904081729y75066fb6t4715e59576b19f31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00904081745q277c8b23v8d09a1e37d37bedb@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sean I wrote: > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:39 AM, ed wrote: >> Hello, and...HELP!! ?Please? >> >> I'm currently doing a project which requires, among other things, proof that >> an Ubuntu Linux image can be pushed across a network to several other >> machines. ? My first tests have failed. ? If you would, please read the >> whole situation, and then offer any advice you please... >> > >> >> 1. ?Is there a good piece of F/OSS software that can handle a push like I'm >> trying to perform in a Debian/Ubuntu-type Linux environment? ?If so, can >> someone please point me at it? ?If not, what would you recommend? >> > > I might have miss read what you are trying to do but the program > systemimager can take an image of a system and distribute it across > the network. ?We tested it at work before deciding on storix for > network distribution of our baseline operating system. > > http://wiki.systemimager.org/index.php/Main_Page > > Here is gentoo's bootloader setup page (grub and lilo). > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10 > > It is not ubuntu, but grub is grub, on a side note i would recommend > (regardless if you like the distro or not) reading the gentoo hand > book and doing a grueling install of it if you would like to learn a > little more about basic OS stuff and compiling the Linux kernel > itself, granted not as much as Linux from scratch. > > Sean > http://systeminstaller.sourceforge.net/ That is the site for system installer, the other is the wiki. Sean From satlug at net153.net Wed Apr 8 21:43:50 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Apr 8 21:43:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DD37A4.7080504@gmail.com> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> <49DD37A4.7080504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD60E6.1000902@net153.net> ed wrote: > Hi All; > > Here's the current City Council Agenda, Rules and Requirements: > >> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetings.asp >> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingconduct.asp >> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingappear.asp > If I understand correctly, the next City Council Meeting, "A" Session, > is tomorrow at 9:00am; and the later "Citizens to be Heard" meeting is > on the same day at 6:00pm. Less than a day is pretty short notice, so, > we might want to consider next week at either the "A" or the "Citizens" > sessions -- or maybe a few of us at each. Thoughts...? > > Cheers; > Ed Well I am free then. Although I am not sure what more I could add to an argument other than "Don't do it". I am still looking for information myself. Sam From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 22:14:20 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Wed Apr 8 22:14:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DD60E6.1000902@net153.net> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> <49DD37A4.7080504@gmail.com> <49DD60E6.1000902@net153.net> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0904082014r19d48293r5c8737c93cf6e8f4@mail.gmail.com> The problem is that the ISPs have been fooling themselves and customers for years and now they are paying the price. They give someone a 6Mbit pipe then bank on the fact that they won't use it and penalize the ones who do. If you really mean "10 gigabytes per month" instead of "6 megabits per second" then sell it as that. I believe it's called truth in advertising and so far no one has enforced it. Hosting providers sell bandwidth by the gigabyte instead of gigabits per second, so why shouldn't residentials ISPs do the same? Yeah it will take some work to acclimate consumers to the new arrangement but at least they won't be lying anymore. Any ISP who sells bandwidth in megabits per second instead of gigabytes per month should expect to be screwed. -Henry On 4/8/09, Samuel Leon wrote: > ed wrote: >> Hi All; >> >> Here's the current City Council Agenda, Rules and Requirements: >> >>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetings.asp >>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingconduct.asp >>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingappear.asp >> If I understand correctly, the next City Council Meeting, "A" Session, >> is tomorrow at 9:00am; and the later "Citizens to be Heard" meeting is >> on the same day at 6:00pm. Less than a day is pretty short notice, so, >> we might want to consider next week at either the "A" or the "Citizens" >> sessions -- or maybe a few of us at each. Thoughts...? >> >> Cheers; >> Ed > > > Well I am free then. Although I am not sure what more I could add to an > argument other than "Don't do it". I am still looking for information > myself. > > Sam > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Apr 8 22:53:51 2009 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Apr 8 22:53:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0904082014r19d48293r5c8737c93cf6e8f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> <49DD37A4.7080504@gmail.com> <49DD60E6.1000902@net153.net> <1003aeaa0904082014r19d48293r5c8737c93cf6e8f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD714F.3020404@satx.rr.com> I agree with the first part of you comments completely. They have been taking our money for Internet service for years, but not plowing enough of it back into the infrastructure to upgrade it and expand its capacity as usage has increased. Instead, they've pocketed the excess in the name of short-term profits and expect us to pick up the tab for their short-sightedness. However, I disagree somewhat with your last statement. They still need to state download speeds, otherwise you could be forced to wait an hour to download something that takes only seconds now. Our time (and time for the computer) costs us money, too. I sure don't want to go back to dial-up ... Al Lesmerises Henry Pugsley wrote: > The problem is that the ISPs have been fooling themselves and > customers for years and now they are paying the price. They give > someone a 6Mbit pipe then bank on the fact that they won't use it and > penalize the ones who do. If you really mean "10 gigabytes per month" > instead of "6 megabits per second" then sell it as that. I believe > it's called truth in advertising and so far no one has enforced it. > > Hosting providers sell bandwidth by the gigabyte instead of gigabits > per second, so why shouldn't residentials ISPs do the same? Yeah it > will take some work to acclimate consumers to the new arrangement but > at least they won't be lying anymore. Any ISP who sells bandwidth in > megabits per second instead of gigabytes per month should expect to be > screwed. > > -Henry > > On 4/8/09, Samuel Leon wrote: > >> ed wrote: >> >>> Hi All; >>> >>> Here's the current City Council Agenda, Rules and Requirements: >>> >>>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetings.asp >>>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingconduct.asp >>>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingappear.asp >>>> >>> If I understand correctly, the next City Council Meeting, "A" Session, >>> is tomorrow at 9:00am; and the later "Citizens to be Heard" meeting is >>> on the same day at 6:00pm. Less than a day is pretty short notice, so, >>> we might want to consider next week at either the "A" or the "Citizens" >>> sessions -- or maybe a few of us at each. Thoughts...? >>> >>> Cheers; >>> Ed >>> >> Well I am free then. Although I am not sure what more I could add to an >> argument other than "Don't do it". I am still looking for information >> myself. >> >> Sam >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 23:18:36 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Apr 8 23:18:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 Message-ID: <354616.93138.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Don Wright wrote: > From: Don Wright > Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:05 PM > Tonight's meeting should be the usual > mix of items. Enrique Sanchez Vela > offered a presentation on the Processing language that > helped him with a > data visualization project. A few others suggested > tiny/rescue/toolkit > distros, so I'll try to have some available to discuss. > We'll plan a bit > for the May 30 Computer Show (www.PCshowS.com), and Jim > Wells will > report on the SATLUG shirt order. > > Parking will be very limited on that side of SAC for many > months, so > come early and cast a wide net. > > See you there!? --Don > Folks, I want to apologize for the mixup but I sent an email asking for confirmation, date and aprox lenght of the talk and don't recall seeing it. I bet if I check on the mailing list archives I'll find it there, I really feel bad about this. would you consider the talk for next month meeting?? would half an hour do it, 1 hour? sorry again, Enrique. From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 9 11:03:24 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Apr 9 11:03:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 In-Reply-To: <354616.93138.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <354616.93138.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5r4st4l0j4diier76qgpkm8pvbmffbitfm@4ax.com> On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:18:36 -0700 (PDT), Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >I want to apologize for the mixup but I sent an email asking for confirmation, date and aprox lenght of the talk and don't recall seeing it. I don't know if I missed your question or it fell off my stack, but nobody replied to your question, which did make it to the list. The fault was mine and I apologize for making you look bad here. Next month's meeting date falls amid the annual OpenSourceFest[1]; any meeting is just a bit of SATLUG business before the session. If you can speak at one of the sessions there, please contact Steve Kolars. As I understand it, your topic of data visualization for system administrators would be ideal for the OpenFest. Again, I'm sorry for the miscommunication. --Don [1] http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ -- 2009 Spring Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest May 12-16 -- SAC Nail Technology Center Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 14:01:35 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Apr 9 14:01:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DD714F.3020404@satx.rr.com> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49DCEFDB.8000202@gmail.com> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> <49DD37A4.7080504@gmail.com> <49DD60E6.1000902@net153.net> <1003aeaa0904082014r19d48293r5c8737c93cf6e8f4@mail.gmail.com> <49DD714F.3020404@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0904091201k6b7ff3c4t169467ca0b429602@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > I agree with the first part of you comments completely. ?They have been > taking our money for Internet service for years, but not plowing enough of > it back into the infrastructure to upgrade it and expand its capacity as > usage has increased. ?Instead, they've pocketed the excess in the name of > short-term profits and expect us to pick up the tab for their > short-sightedness. > > However, I disagree somewhat with your last statement. ?They still need to > state download speeds, otherwise you could be forced to wait an hour to > download something that takes only seconds now. ?Our time (and time for the > computer) costs us money, too. ?I sure don't want to go back to dial-up ... Yeah, they really need to state both and explain the difference. The problem with high throughput and low transfer is people will user their allocation without realizing it. If you have a 10GB cap on a 20Mbit circuit, you can blow through that in a couple hours at full bore. It might be better if people actually had to wait because then it would remind them how much they are transferring. The real problem is that the ISPs have been using throughput as the metric of how good their service is for years, but now they are going to start penalizing people for excessive transfer. I have friends in Australia, and their ISPs sell Internet packages based on transfer, not throughput. If you exceed your transfer limit for the month, you either can't use the service or get throttled to something like 512kbps until the month resets. There is going to be a huge consumer backlash when they change paradigms because the average Joe doesn't know or care about the difference .. they just want fast Internet that they don't have to worry about. Guess we're all a bit spoiled when it comes to Internet service. -Henry > > Al Lesmerises > > > Henry Pugsley wrote: >> >> The problem is that the ISPs have been fooling themselves and >> customers for years and now they are paying the price. They give >> someone a 6Mbit pipe then bank on the fact that they won't use it and >> penalize the ones who do. If you really mean "10 gigabytes per month" >> instead of "6 megabits per second" then sell it as that. ?I believe >> it's called truth in advertising and so far no one has enforced it. >> >> Hosting providers sell bandwidth by the gigabyte instead of gigabits >> per second, so why shouldn't residentials ISPs do the same? ?Yeah it >> will take some work to acclimate consumers to the new arrangement but >> at least they won't be lying anymore. ?Any ISP who sells bandwidth in >> megabits per second instead of gigabytes per month should expect to be >> screwed. >> >> -Henry >> >> On 4/8/09, Samuel Leon wrote: >> >>> >>> ed wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi All; >>>> >>>> Here's the current City Council Agenda, Rules and Requirements: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetings.asp >>>>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingconduct.asp >>>>> http://www.sanantonio.gov/yourcity/meetingappear.asp >>>>> >>>> >>>> If I understand correctly, the next City Council Meeting, "A" Session, >>>> is tomorrow at 9:00am; and the later "Citizens to be Heard" meeting is >>>> on the same day at 6:00pm. ?Less than a day is pretty short notice, so, >>>> we might want to consider next week at either the "A" or the "Citizens" >>>> sessions -- or maybe a few of us at each. ?Thoughts...? >>>> >>>> Cheers; >>>> Ed >>>> >>> >>> Well I am free then. ?Although I am not sure what more I could add to an >>> argument other than "Don't do it". ?I am still looking for information >>> myself. >>> >>> Sam >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From e2eiod at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 14:37:17 2009 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Thu Apr 9 14:37:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0904091201k6b7ff3c4t169467ca0b429602@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239216829.30914.16.camel@main> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> <49DD37A4.7080504@gmail.com> <49DD60E6.1000902@net153.net> <1003aeaa0904082014r19d48293r5c8737c93cf6e8f4@mail.gmail.com> <49DD714F.3020404@satx.rr.com> <1003aeaa0904091201k6b7ff3c4t169467ca0b429602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/9/09, Henry Pugsley wrote: > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Alan Lesmerises > wrote: > > I agree with the first part of you comments completely. They have been > > taking our money for Internet service for years, but not plowing enough of > > it back into the infrastructure to upgrade it and expand its capacity as > > usage has increased. Instead, they've pocketed the excess in the name of > > short-term profits and expect us to pick up the tab for their > > short-sightedness. > > > > However, I disagree somewhat with your last statement. They still need to > > state download speeds, otherwise you could be forced to wait an hour to > > download something that takes only seconds now. Our time (and time for the > > computer) costs us money, too. I sure don't want to go back to dial-up ... > > Yeah, they really need to state both and explain the difference. The > problem with high throughput and low transfer is people will user > their allocation without realizing it. If you have a 10GB cap on a > 20Mbit circuit, you can blow through that in a couple hours at full > bore. It might be better if people actually had to wait because then > it would remind them how much they are transferring. > > The real problem is that the ISPs have been using throughput as the > metric of how good their service is for years, but now they are going > to start penalizing people for excessive transfer. I have friends in > Australia, and their ISPs sell Internet packages based on transfer, > not throughput. If you exceed your transfer limit for the month, you > either can't use the service or get throttled to something like > 512kbps until the month resets. There is going to be a huge consumer > backlash when they change paradigms because the average Joe doesn't > know or care about the difference .. they just want fast Internet that > they don't have to worry about. Guess we're all a bit spoiled when it > comes to Internet service. > > -Henry > You are right on about this. However, it is a ploy to drive prices and revenues up. Give away the service for $14.95 a month, which is basically just a connect charge to the user, and throttle them where it hurts; in the use of the connect. You will be able to get your old fast service back... for a price I'm not sure what kind of a backlash will happen. I see younger people thinking a $300 a month cell phone bill is nothing. They would rather pay the cell phone bill than their rent. First it was Long Distance, now cell phone revenues are dropping. How are the RBOCs and ILECs to pay for bloated management and super-structure? Internet revenues! The same people who screwed you on POTS service by leasing you your plain black dial handset for 40 years and charging you minutes on your cell phone when someone calls you and who control the Information infrastructure superhighways still have no imagination and no idea how to make a profit. Kind of like the oil companies... I really like what Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is doing with the Defense budget. It means he won't be around much longer. Too bad. His reforms are long overdue. From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 18:34:34 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Apr 9 18:34:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49DD030E.3010707@net153.net> <49DD1099.5020007@gmail.com> <49DD1F18.7040901@earthlink.net> <49DD37A4.7080504@gmail.com> <49DD60E6.1000902@net153.net> <1003aeaa0904082014r19d48293r5c8737c93cf6e8f4@mail.gmail.com> <49DD714F.3020404@satx.rr.com> <1003aeaa0904091201k6b7ff3c4t169467ca0b429602@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0904091634k2b2a21afh2294e3c72d3651ca@mail.gmail.com> If ISPs gambled in Vegas the same way they gamble on bandwidth usage, they would be bankrupt or lying in a ditch somewhere in Death Valley. Consumers need to be educated on how this stuff works so they can hold the ISPs accountable for what they promise, whether it is explicit or implicit. I'm surprised none of them have been slapped with a billion dollar lawsuit for false advertising or misleading business practices yet. -Henry On 4/9/09, Robert Pearson wrote: > On 4/9/09, Henry Pugsley wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Alan Lesmerises >> wrote: >> > I agree with the first part of you comments completely. They have been >> > taking our money for Internet service for years, but not plowing enough >> of >> > it back into the infrastructure to upgrade it and expand its capacity >> as >> > usage has increased. Instead, they've pocketed the excess in the name >> of >> > short-term profits and expect us to pick up the tab for their >> > short-sightedness. >> > >> > However, I disagree somewhat with your last statement. They still need >> to >> > state download speeds, otherwise you could be forced to wait an hour to >> > download something that takes only seconds now. Our time (and time for >> the >> > computer) costs us money, too. I sure don't want to go back to dial-up >> ... >> >> Yeah, they really need to state both and explain the difference. The >> problem with high throughput and low transfer is people will user >> their allocation without realizing it. If you have a 10GB cap on a >> 20Mbit circuit, you can blow through that in a couple hours at full >> bore. It might be better if people actually had to wait because then >> it would remind them how much they are transferring. >> >> The real problem is that the ISPs have been using throughput as the >> metric of how good their service is for years, but now they are going >> to start penalizing people for excessive transfer. I have friends in >> Australia, and their ISPs sell Internet packages based on transfer, >> not throughput. If you exceed your transfer limit for the month, you >> either can't use the service or get throttled to something like >> 512kbps until the month resets. There is going to be a huge consumer >> backlash when they change paradigms because the average Joe doesn't >> know or care about the difference .. they just want fast Internet that >> they don't have to worry about. Guess we're all a bit spoiled when it >> comes to Internet service. >> >> -Henry >> > > You are right on about this. > However, it is a ploy to drive prices and revenues up. > Give away the service for $14.95 a month, which is basically just a > connect charge to the user, and throttle them where it hurts; in the > use of the connect. > You will be able to get your old fast service back... for a price > > I'm not sure what kind of a backlash will happen. I see younger people > thinking a $300 a month cell phone bill is nothing. They would rather > pay the cell phone bill than their rent. > First it was Long Distance, now cell phone revenues are dropping. How > are the RBOCs and ILECs to pay for bloated management and > super-structure? Internet revenues! > > The same people who screwed you on POTS service by leasing you your > plain black dial handset for 40 years and charging you minutes on your > cell phone when someone calls you > and who control the Information infrastructure superhighways still > have no imagination and no idea how to make a profit. Kind of like the > oil companies... > > I really like what Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is doing with the > Defense budget. It means he won't be around much longer. Too bad. His > reforms are long overdue. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From leivajose at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 19:01:42 2009 From: leivajose at gmail.com (Jose Leiva) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:01:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 In-Reply-To: <5r4st4l0j4diier76qgpkm8pvbmffbitfm@4ax.com> References: <354616.93138.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5r4st4l0j4diier76qgpkm8pvbmffbitfm@4ax.com> Message-ID: <495ed5030904091701p3006b1c1lda25ce754001badf@mail.gmail.com> Was yesterdays meeting canceled or was the meeting room changed?. I was running 15 minutes late, and while I tried to access the basement all the doors were closed due to construction and the Southeast door was locked and so was the elevator. Don't know whether the construction on the nail building will be a problem for future meetings since almost all the doors are blocked or maybe the janitors accidentally closed the door. From nathan at gvtc.com Thu Apr 9 19:12:36 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:12:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 Message-ID: <20090409171236.87DD6A0A@resin11.mta.everyone.net> The meeting took place. There were some signs that should have pointed you to the one stairway that was unlocked. The elevator had some problems, but was working part time. --- leivajose@gmail.com wrote: From: Jose Leiva To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:01:42 -0500 Was yesterdays meeting canceled or was the meeting room changed?. I was running 15 minutes late, and while I tried to access the basement all the doors were closed due to construction and the Southeast door was locked and so was the elevator. Don't know whether the construction on the nail building will be a problem for future meetings since almost all the doors are blocked or maybe the janitors accidentally closed the door. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 9 19:24:48 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:24:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 In-Reply-To: <20090409171236.87DD6A0A@resin11.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090409171236.87DD6A0A@resin11.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: There was also an air pressure problem that made the one stairway door difficult to open (and the outside doors stand open.) I suspect it had something to do with asbestos removal compliance. The good news is we had better computers in the lab. --Don On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:12:36 -0700, Nathan wrote: >The meeting took place. There were some signs that should have pointed you to the one stairway that was unlocked. The elevator had some problems, but was working part time. > >--- leivajose@gmail.com wrote: > >From: Jose Leiva >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 >Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:01:42 -0500 > >Was yesterdays meeting canceled or was the meeting room changed?. I was >running 15 minutes late, and while I tried to access the basement all the >doors were closed due to construction and the Southeast door was locked and >so was the elevator. >Don't know whether the construction on the nail building will be a problem >for future meetings since almost all the doors are blocked or maybe the >janitors accidentally closed the door. >-- >_______________________________________________ >SATLUG mailing list >SATLUG@satlug.org >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 19:28:45 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:28:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Tonight - 8-Apr-2009 Message-ID: <394133.58527.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > I don't know if I missed your question or it fell off my > stack, but > nobody replied to your question, which did make it to the > list. The > fault was mine and I apologize for making you look bad > here. don't worry, I am ok, hope the meeting went fine last night no pun intended or taken. > > Next month's meeting date falls amid the annual > OpenSourceFest[1]; any > meeting is just a bit of SATLUG business before the > session. If you can > speak at one of the sessions there, please contact Steve > Kolars. As I > understand it, your topic of data visualization for system > administrators would be ideal for the OpenFest. > I would love to do that. > Again, I'm sorry for the miscommunication. --Don > me too, hope the presentation makes up for the goof. best regards, esv. > [1] http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > > -- > 2009 Spring > Linux/BSD/OpenSource Fest > May 12-16 -- SAC Nail > Technology Center > Presented by San Antonio College, SATLUG, and XCSSA > http://cis.sac.accd.edu/~skolars/satlug/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 19:44:48 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:44:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting around Spamhaus + Yahoo mail Message-ID: <878831.51834.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Kinda nerdy here... but my home webserver emails me at 8am, 12noon and 4pm telling me its running. Then I get an email @ I dunno.. I forget the time, it tells me backups are complete. For a while my emails have been very slow. Being that I can ssh into my home webserver from my phone I know its working so I havent really diagnosed it until now. After looking at the log file I see that yahoo/Spamhaus is blocking dynamic ip/residential ip's from sending mail directly to their smtp servers. Any other way around this? -Alex From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 20:26:26 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Thu Apr 9 20:26:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting around Spamhaus + Yahoo mail In-Reply-To: <878831.51834.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <878831.51834.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0904091826m79657804k8fdc3e261de111b2@mail.gmail.com> Setup your mail server to smarthost through your ISP mail servers, those should not be blocked unless you have a really bad ISP. -Henry On 4/9/09, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > Kinda nerdy here... but my home webserver emails me at 8am, 12noon and 4pm > telling me its running. Then I get an email @ I dunno.. I forget the time, > it tells me backups are complete. For a while my emails have been very > slow. Being that I can ssh into my home webserver from my phone I know its > working so I havent really diagnosed it until now. > > After looking at the log file I see that yahoo/Spamhaus is blocking dynamic > ip/residential ip's from sending mail directly to their smtp servers. > > Any other way around this? > > -Alex > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From satlug at net153.net Thu Apr 9 21:19:41 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Apr 9 21:19:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting around Spamhaus + Yahoo mail In-Reply-To: <878831.51834.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <878831.51834.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DEACBD.7030107@net153.net> Alex Bartonek wrote: > Kinda nerdy here... but my home webserver emails me at 8am, 12noon and 4pm telling me its running. Then I get an email @ I dunno.. I forget the time, it tells me backups are complete. For a while my emails have been very slow. Being that I can ssh into my home webserver from my phone I know its working so I havent really diagnosed it until now. > > After looking at the log file I see that yahoo/Spamhaus is blocking dynamic ip/residential ip's from sending mail directly to their smtp servers. > > Any other way around this? > > -Alex > > You should be able to unblock yourself. I run an email server on a dynamic residential IP with no (by no, I mean not many) problems. If you are listed on spamhaus you can unblock yourself: http://www.spamhaus.org/ This is a nice site that will search many black lists for your ip: http://moensted.dk/spam/ Sam From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 22:09:22 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Apr 9 22:09:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting around Spamhaus + Yahoo mail In-Reply-To: <49DEACBD.7030107@net153.net> Message-ID: <883146.20342.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Samuel Leon wrote: > From: Samuel Leon > You should be able to unblock yourself. I run an email > server on a dynamic residential IP with no (by no, I mean > not many) problems. > > If you are listed on spamhaus you can unblock yourself: > > http://www.spamhaus.org/ > Well, mine is listed on the PBL, looks like I cannot remove it. :( From satlug at net153.net Thu Apr 9 22:59:00 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Apr 9 22:59:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting around Spamhaus + Yahoo mail In-Reply-To: <883146.20342.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <883146.20342.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DEC404.8060800@net153.net> Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Samuel Leon wrote: > >> From: Samuel Leon >> You should be able to unblock yourself. I run an email >> server on a dynamic residential IP with no (by no, I mean >> not many) problems. >> >> If you are listed on spamhaus you can unblock yourself: >> >> http://www.spamhaus.org/ >> > > Well, mine is listed on the PBL, looks like I cannot remove it. :( > > > Oh, I just realized that mine is too. I guess there must have been a recent change. You will have to use the mail relay for your isp. Roadrunner: smtp-server.satx.rr.com Grande: mail.grandecom.net And that's all the ones I know. I don't know what you are using to send the mail but in postfix to configure a relay you just set the server with "relayhost = domain" http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relayhost Although that definition they provide is alittle bland... Sam Sam From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 00:34:47 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Apr 10 00:35:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Cable Expands Internet Usage Pricing - BusinessWeek Message-ID: <49DEDA77.4090608@gmail.com> Hey Folks... More detail about Time Warner's plan, and several articles about Net Neutrality. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2009/tc20090331_726397.htm http://bx.businessweek.com/network-neutrality/ Cheers; Ed From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Apr 10 09:13:21 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Apr 10 09:13:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1239209124.26225.12.camel@james-desktop> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> <49DC2492.10308@gmail.com> <49DC7BFE.9000708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <1cb556d10904080719k1ad3f05bx83c2f2b220790f65@mail.gmail.com> <49DCC345.6060602@gmail.com> <1239209124.26225.12.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <20090410091321.804376366ll3upkw@shlrm.org> Quoting "James Tiner" : > Isn't it great that GNU/Linux attracts people from all over the > political spectrum? From Communist to Anarchist, all beliefs are > represented. I'm sure that it is true of the religious spectrum as well > but it is off-topic and probably doesn't belong on this list, at least > with the current subject line. > > Of course, I have a graphic I created (which is a modified version of > one created by a libertarian talk show host) that I will share off list > if anyone is interested. It has a short narrative to go with it. Oh, and > please don't confuse Libertarian with Liberal. ;-) > I'd be interested in this graphic. And just to contribute my 0.02, the "two-party" system has some serious flaws. All the arguments presented can be levied against either party. The only thing that can solve our issues is less government. Allow the individual to be the boss of our own lives, to put it simply. Neither of the two major parties wants that anymore. Just a pile of corrupt, fat politicians. -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From barmstrong at satx.rr.com Fri Apr 10 10:40:13 2009 From: barmstrong at satx.rr.com (bill) Date: Fri Apr 10 10:40:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. Message-ID: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html GREAT ARTICLE. A snippet. "The company claims its capped rates are fairer than flat rates because people who use less bandwidth stand to get a break as the company shifts its costs to others who use the network more." "There is only one small problem: A close look at Time Warner Cable's books shows no significant link between its high-speed data costs and network usage." "For 2008, the most recent period available, Time Warner Cable reported that its high-speed data costs actually declined by 12 percent to $146 million. Meanwhile subscribers increased by more than 10 percent to 8.4 million, and high-speed data revenues climbed to more than $4 billion. " "UPDATE: Since this article was first published, Time Warner Cable has updated its pricing scheme." SEE BELOW. "Bowing to Pressure, Time Warner Alters Broadband Caps" http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/bowing-to-press.html From ftm at satx.rr.com Fri Apr 10 11:41:11 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Fri Apr 10 11:44:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Guru wanted In-Reply-To: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> References: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> Message-ID: <32F51553A6D249B2B0F758A7DF4D8327@DougWPC1> I am looking for a Linux guru free lancer to install and set up my SMTP server with Postfix mail system. Anyone interested in some weekend side work please contact me. Thanks Doug From crynosys at grandecom.net Fri Apr 10 11:53:39 2009 From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris) Date: Fri Apr 10 11:53:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] TW buisness class price list? anyone Message-ID: <49DF7993.2040904@grandecom.net> Since TW wants to charge me $150 buck a month for residential internet. Is anyone able to post a price list for TW's business class offerings? thanks From ftm at satx.rr.com Fri Apr 10 12:03:15 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Fri Apr 10 12:06:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] TW buisness class price list? anyone In-Reply-To: <49DF7993.2040904@grandecom.net> References: <49DF7993.2040904@grandecom.net> Message-ID: My experience with Time Warner's business class is that it is very expensive - (they never did quote me an actual price) Instead I have gone to New Edge Networks and am having their first residential T-1 (24 channel) line for $289 - and I can run my ten servers and telephony on that circuit, plus I can receive a large variety of Internet TV. So if you are ready to take the big step this is the way to go. Installation and router are free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: [SATLUG] TW buisness class price list? anyone > Since TW wants to charge me $150 buck a month for residential internet. > Is anyone able to post a price list for TW's business class offerings? > > thanks > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Apr 10 13:15:19 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Apr 10 13:15:21 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Guru wanted In-Reply-To: <32F51553A6D249B2B0F758A7DF4D8327@DougWPC1> References: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> <32F51553A6D249B2B0F758A7DF4D8327@DougWPC1> Message-ID: <20090410131519.14222zeacqbh4ts0@shlrm.org> Quoting Sugar : > I am looking for a Linux guru free lancer to install and set up my > SMTP server with Postfix mail system. Anyone interested in some > weekend side work please contact me. > Thanks Do you just want SMTP? Do you also want Spam filtering? Do you want Pop3 access or IMAP access? Further requirements specifications required. :D -- David Kowis Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com From ftm at satx.rr.com Fri Apr 10 13:34:15 2009 From: ftm at satx.rr.com (Sugar) Date: Fri Apr 10 13:38:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Guru wanted In-Reply-To: <20090410131519.14222zeacqbh4ts0@shlrm.org> References: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main><32F51553A6D249B2B0F758A7DF4D8327@DougWPC1> <20090410131519.14222zeacqbh4ts0@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <5F9184973A6B4DA2A187E8F27F9D8E5A@DougWPC1> Thanks David For receiving mail - virus filtering and transfer to the Windows POP server where it is retrieved by the user - When the user sends mail then he uploads it to the Linux server for delivery outside my system. I want to use AVG anti-virus unless you have a better idea. Spam filtering was not considered, but is a good idea. I received 134 spam mails from the RR server this morning alone and then killed that email account completely and set up another. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kowis" To: Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux Guru wanted > Quoting Sugar : > >> I am looking for a Linux guru free lancer to install and set up my SMTP >> server with Postfix mail system. Anyone interested in some weekend >> side work please contact me. >> Thanks > > Do you just want SMTP? > > Do you also want Spam filtering? Do you want Pop3 access or IMAP access? > > Further requirements specifications required. :D > > -- > David Kowis > Source Mage Linux - www.sourcemage.org > Liberty! - www.campaignforliberty.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at net153.net Fri Apr 10 15:40:45 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Fri Apr 10 15:40:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] TW buisness class price list? anyone In-Reply-To: <49DF7993.2040904@grandecom.net> References: <49DF7993.2040904@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <49DFAECD.8000000@net153.net> Chris wrote: > Since TW wants to charge me $150 buck a month for residential internet. > Is anyone able to post a price list for TW's business class offerings? > > thanks > > > 4 years ago I had basic cable and rr business class for $100 a month. I think it was 3000/768. You just have to call and ask and make up a business name. Sam From hc at lookcee.com Fri Apr 10 16:48:58 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Apr 10 16:48:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] TW buisness class price list? anyone In-Reply-To: <49DFAECD.8000000@net153.net> References: <49DF7993.2040904@grandecom.net> <49DFAECD.8000000@net153.net> Message-ID: <49DFBECA.6080909@lookcee.com> Samuel Leon wrote: > Chris wrote: >> Since TW wants to charge me $150 buck a month for residential internet. >> Is anyone able to post a price list for TW's business class offerings? >> >> thanks >> >> >> > > 4 years ago I had basic cable and rr business class for $100 a month. > I think it was 3000/768. You just have to call and ask and make up a > business name. > > Sam I am astounded at this cause I have the lowest class rural DSL- PPPoE 0/35 and i have no idea what speeds I am restricted to but I keep my home net on line all the time since I no longer have a TV or A radio just do it all over the puter. I have a radio station playing right now that I cannot receive with any radio. got 2 web windows open with several Tabbed windows in each. Small time but more than my little brain can keep up with. I used to have dial-up on one line and Ip was $10mo+ tel-line was $26mo not i have 2 lines and pay $47mo for 60 to 170kbs DL rate from the 40.333 dial up. So I thought that was cool till I hear you guys talking megabits. Of course I am not using it for any biz purpose just to entertain me. sure worth the $11 bucks more a mo it cost me. LOL herb c From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Apr 10 16:49:50 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Apr 10 16:49:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> References: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> Message-ID: <49DFBEFE.7000709@shlrm.org> bill wrote: > Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics > > http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html > > > GREAT ARTICLE. A snippet. > > > "The company claims its capped rates are fairer than flat rates because > people who use less bandwidth stand to get a break as the company shifts > its costs to others who use the network more." > > "There is only one small problem: A close look at Time Warner Cable's > books shows no significant link between its high-speed data costs and > network usage." > > "For 2008, the most recent period available, Time Warner Cable reported > that its high-speed data costs actually declined by 12 percent to $146 > million. Meanwhile subscribers increased by more than 10 percent to 8.4 > million, and high-speed data revenues climbed to more than $4 billion. " > > > "UPDATE: Since this article was first published, Time Warner Cable has > updated its pricing scheme." SEE BELOW. > > "Bowing to Pressure, Time Warner Alters Broadband Caps" > http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/bowing-to-press.html > > I remember reading about this a while ago, and I started up vnstat on my router. http://shlrm.org/vnstat/ Thar be my cumulative bandwidth usage for about a year, month by month. From hc at lookcee.com Fri Apr 10 17:23:13 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Apr 10 17:22:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <49DFBEFE.7000709@shlrm.org> References: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> <49DFBEFE.7000709@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <49DFC6D1.8020807@lookcee.com> David Kowis wrote: > bill wrote: >> Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics >> >> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html >> >> >> GREAT ARTICLE. A snippet. >> >> >> "The company claims its capped rates are fairer than flat rates because >> people who use less bandwidth stand to get a break as the company shifts >> its costs to others who use the network more." >> "There is only one small problem: A close look at Time Warner Cable's >> books shows no significant link between its high-speed data costs and >> network usage." >> "For 2008, the most recent period available, Time Warner Cable reported >> that its high-speed data costs actually declined by 12 percent to $146 >> million. Meanwhile subscribers increased by more than 10 percent to 8.4 >> million, and high-speed data revenues climbed to more than $4 billion. " >> >> >> "UPDATE: Since this article was first published, Time Warner Cable has >> updated its pricing scheme." SEE BELOW. >> >> "Bowing to Pressure, Time Warner Alters Broadband Caps" >> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/bowing-to-press.html >> >> > > I remember reading about this a while ago, and I started up vnstat on > my router. > > http://shlrm.org/vnstat/ > > Thar be my cumulative bandwidth usage for about a year, month by month. Hey David can you tell me how to do that to see what I use on my DSL? I can run the CLI but only with someone supplying the code I still have that stuff to learn in the 80 to 100yr period of this trip. I would appreciate it. thanks herb c From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Apr 10 18:06:41 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Fri Apr 10 18:06:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <49DFC6D1.8020807@lookcee.com> References: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> <49DFBEFE.7000709@shlrm.org> <49DFC6D1.8020807@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <49DFD101.8010403@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Herb Cee wrote: > David Kowis wrote: >> bill wrote: >>> Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics >>> >>> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html >>> >>> >>> GREAT ARTICLE. A snippet. >>> >>> >>> "The company claims its capped rates are fairer than flat rates because >>> people who use less bandwidth stand to get a break as the company shifts >>> its costs to others who use the network more." >>> "There is only one small problem: A close look at Time Warner Cable's >>> books shows no significant link between its high-speed data costs and >>> network usage." >>> "For 2008, the most recent period available, Time Warner Cable reported >>> that its high-speed data costs actually declined by 12 percent to $146 >>> million. Meanwhile subscribers increased by more than 10 percent to 8.4 >>> million, and high-speed data revenues climbed to more than $4 billion. " >>> >>> >>> "UPDATE: Since this article was first published, Time Warner Cable has >>> updated its pricing scheme." SEE BELOW. >>> >>> "Bowing to Pressure, Time Warner Alters Broadband Caps" >>> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/bowing-to-press.html >>> >>> >> >> I remember reading about this a while ago, and I started up vnstat on >> my router. >> >> http://shlrm.org/vnstat/ >> >> Thar be my cumulative bandwidth usage for about a year, month by month. > Hey David can you tell me how to do that to see what I use on my DSL? I > can run the CLI but only with someone supplying the code I still have > that stuff to learn in the 80 to 100yr period of this trip. I would > appreciate it. > thanks I'm using vnstat, then there's some php scripts that can read the vnstat output and produce the php page that you see. http://www.sqweek.com/sqweek/index.php?p=1 There's the PHP scripts. Of course, you need to run this all on your router computer. Vnstat is running on the interface to the world for me. So if you're behind a wireless router or somethign like that, this will not provide results for that, but only for the computer you're running vnstat on. Unfortunately, right now I don't have time to elaborate on how I set it up, however, I can help with it after this weekend :) - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJJ39EAAAoJEMnf+vRw63OblIsL/0zQ2KK3DSZEEa9LvOCk2MyE ebtLXmVVn8nILHj9OqFw3wtIGPWXsFpF/nfjAV7Nm91dBwp6SZSu38mWoN1hMjRc Vlmhn+Kc78oN5XaFClAIBlz2eGS3d0KqHtdiLMDHO5N8U1w8XN8g23nbwEl5+1A2 X5YRyv17IrAUlgHQVeKirIcC81Y6yz02h5IThUrVXCb6v8MDNSz8x2NohcWb4JrB nqAsMhd7aC98fiPLsbL2vVKokjhoAH0s5BAPewujMBKkxoZhq7wsc4VC42qtXNEA jPo1l2h47rljsLpCsTSEoOcukMiBFIJaaI0O2oSqspld6Veln/aFYhW49lK6vjCx N9ZFCseIS5kBQGqgn9gjjxTXkrXpd6OghXFaCz3if+cu8ySAu/pn2H/IHnEDsyEz h3VwTKu+lRvp8pMZH4BqcVBBqZDL7ZVtMZzO3AaXJIjlxS+Rj7nTp18Q68ICjVbJ BFBQ7GDhEM0FOiDNz4cV9km8etWenbyYiFkerHMHpw== =Yv3+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hc at lookcee.com Fri Apr 10 22:17:22 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Apr 10 22:16:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <49DFD101.8010403@shlrm.org> References: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> <49DFBEFE.7000709@shlrm.org> <49DFC6D1.8020807@lookcee.com> <49DFD101.8010403@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <49E00BC2.2090503@lookcee.com> David Kowis wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Herb Cee wrote: > >> David Kowis wrote: >> >>> bill wrote: >>> >>>> Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics >>>> >>>> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html >>>> >>>> >>>> GREAT ARTICLE. A snippet. >>>> >>>> >>>> "The company claims its capped rates are fairer than flat rates because >>>> people who use less bandwidth stand to get a break as the company shifts >>>> its costs to others who use the network more." >>>> "There is only one small problem: A close look at Time Warner Cable's >>>> books shows no significant link between its high-speed data costs and >>>> network usage." >>>> "For 2008, the most recent period available, Time Warner Cable reported >>>> that its high-speed data costs actually declined by 12 percent to $146 >>>> million. Meanwhile subscribers increased by more than 10 percent to 8.4 >>>> million, and high-speed data revenues climbed to more than $4 billion. " >>>> >>>> >>>> "UPDATE: Since this article was first published, Time Warner Cable has >>>> updated its pricing scheme." SEE BELOW. >>>> >>>> "Bowing to Pressure, Time Warner Alters Broadband Caps" >>>> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/bowing-to-press.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I remember reading about this a while ago, and I started up vnstat on >>> my router. >>> >>> http://shlrm.org/vnstat/ >>> >>> Thar be my cumulative bandwidth usage for about a year, month by month. >>> >> Hey David can you tell me how to do that to see what I use on my DSL? I >> can run the CLI but only with someone supplying the code I still have >> that stuff to learn in the 80 to 100yr period of this trip. I would >> appreciate it. >> thanks >> > > I'm using vnstat, then there's some php scripts that can read the vnstat > output and produce the php page that you see. > > http://www.sqweek.com/sqweek/index.php?p=1 > > There's the PHP scripts. > > Of course, you need to run this all on your router computer. Vnstat is > running on the interface to the world for me. So if you're behind a > wireless router or somethign like that, this will not provide results > for that, but only for the computer you're running vnstat on. > > Unfortunately, right now I don't have time to elaborate on how I set it > up, however, I can help with it after this weekend :) > > - -- > David Kowis > Deal, thanks, I am right to the router I will look up its old # but think it is that -4 not the 6 I never learned that yet. I will start reading in the morning sounds fun. thanks herb From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Apr 11 00:07:31 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Apr 11 00:07:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Getting around Spamhaus + Yahoo mail In-Reply-To: <878831.51834.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <878831.51834.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E02593.6080804@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Alex Bartonek wrote: > Kinda nerdy here... but my home webserver emails me at 8am, 12noon and 4pm telling me its running. Then I get an email @ I dunno.. I forget the time, it tells me backups are complete. For a while my emails have been very slow. Being that I can ssh into my home webserver from my phone I know its working so I havent really diagnosed it until now. > > After looking at the log file I see that yahoo/Spamhaus is blocking dynamic ip/residential ip's from sending mail directly to their smtp servers. > > Any other way around this? > You don't say what your mail profile is. I'm running sendmail and postfix. If you are doing something similar, look in /etc/mail look at mailertable and start adding domains that aren't covered in the following format: # send all email for a special host to another host or to a specific IP: #host.sub.org smtp:host.domain.com #host.sub.org smtp:[192.168.0.1] att.net smtp:[smtp-server.satx.rr.com] attnet smtp:[smtp-server.satx.rr.com] googlemail.com smtp:[smtp-server.satx.rr.com] gmail.com smtp:[smtp-server.satx.rr.com] etex.net smtp:[smtp-server.satx.rr.com] centex.net smtp:[smtp-server.satx.rr.com] yahoo.com smtp:[smtp-server.satx.rr.com] etc, etc. Whenever you get a black-listed, or residential-blocked message, add that domain to your isp list (as above). Hope that helps. -Geoff (in Baja Spring, TX) From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 01:34:12 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Apr 11 01:34:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] TW buisness class price list? anyone In-Reply-To: <49DF7993.2040904@grandecom.net> References: <49DF7993.2040904@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <49E039E4.4070906@gmail.com> TW Business Class lowest rate (10Mb down/512Kb up) is $119/mo as of yesterday... Cheers; Ed ======== Chris wrote: > Since TW wants to charge me $150 buck a month for residential internet. > Is anyone able to post a price list for TW's business class offerings? > > thanks > > > > > > > From pjcrux at gmail.com Sat Apr 11 17:31:47 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Sat Apr 11 17:31:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <49E00BC2.2090503@lookcee.com> References: <1239378013.15526.9.camel@main> <49DFBEFE.7000709@shlrm.org> <49DFC6D1.8020807@lookcee.com> <49DFD101.8010403@shlrm.org> <49E00BC2.2090503@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0904111531n7be39f4bye3436d311a53902b@mail.gmail.com> David I would also like to know how to setup this up via a wireless router as you did. *Cheers!* Peter On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Herb Cee wrote: > David Kowis wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> Herb Cee wrote: >> >> >>> David Kowis wrote: >>> >>> >>>> bill wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics >>>>> >>>>> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> GREAT ARTICLE. A snippet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "The company claims its capped rates are fairer than flat rates because >>>>> people who use less bandwidth stand to get a break as the company >>>>> shifts >>>>> its costs to others who use the network more." >>>>> "There is only one small problem: A close look at Time Warner Cable's >>>>> books shows no significant link between its high-speed data costs and >>>>> network usage." >>>>> "For 2008, the most recent period available, Time Warner Cable reported >>>>> that its high-speed data costs actually declined by 12 percent to $146 >>>>> million. Meanwhile subscribers increased by more than 10 percent to 8.4 >>>>> million, and high-speed data revenues climbed to more than $4 billion. >>>>> " >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "UPDATE: Since this article was first published, Time Warner Cable has >>>>> updated its pricing scheme." SEE BELOW. >>>>> >>>>> "Bowing to Pressure, Time Warner Alters Broadband Caps" >>>>> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/bowing-to-press.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I remember reading about this a while ago, and I started up vnstat on >>>> my router. >>>> >>>> http://shlrm.org/vnstat/ >>>> >>>> Thar be my cumulative bandwidth usage for about a year, month by month. >>>> >>>> >>> Hey David can you tell me how to do that to see what I use on my DSL? I >>> can run the CLI but only with someone supplying the code I still have >>> that stuff to learn in the 80 to 100yr period of this trip. I would >>> appreciate it. >>> thanks >>> >>> >> >> I'm using vnstat, then there's some php scripts that can read the vnstat >> output and produce the php page that you see. >> >> http://www.sqweek.com/sqweek/index.php?p=1 >> >> There's the PHP scripts. >> >> Of course, you need to run this all on your router computer. Vnstat is >> running on the interface to the world for me. So if you're behind a >> wireless router or somethign like that, this will not provide results >> for that, but only for the computer you're running vnstat on. >> >> Unfortunately, right now I don't have time to elaborate on how I set it >> up, however, I can help with it after this weekend :) >> >> - -- >> David Kowis >> >> > Deal, thanks, I am right to the router I will look up its old # but think > it is that -4 not the 6 I never learned that yet. I will start reading in > the morning sounds fun. > thanks herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter Cross 6751 Raintree Path San Antonio, TX 78233 "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Apr 11 17:46:44 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Apr 11 17:47:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0904111531n7be39f4bye3436d311a53902b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200904112246.n3BMkiDf002812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> >> I remember reading about this a while ago, and I started up vnstat on >> my router. >> >> http://shlrm.org/vnstat/ >> >> Thar be my cumulative bandwidth usage for about a year, month by month. >> >> > Hey David can you tell me how to do that to see what I use on my DSL? I > can run the CLI but only with someone supplying the code I still have > that stuff to learn in the 80 to 100yr period of this trip. I would > appreciate it. > thanks I have an older linksys that I flashed with a third-party Linux distro, I wonder if this distro can be tweaked to do the vnstat accounting and reporting. I'm using Hyperwrt 2.1b1 + Thibor15c. Does anyone have some experience with this? Right now it has the ability to run sshd and I can log into it from my private site to get some sort of shell interface: BusyBox v1.1.2 (2006.04.29-14:07+0000) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. # help Built-in commands: ------------------- . : alias bg break cd chdir continue eval exec exit export false fg hash help jobs kill let local pwd read readonly return set shift times trap true type ulimit umask unalias unset wait But I think this would need some serious kernel surgery to provide vnstat service. I wonder if it is possible, though. Any router hackers out there? Maybe someone already made a distro that can do this on my router. -b. From satlug at net153.net Sun Apr 12 17:10:03 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sun Apr 12 17:10:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <200904112246.n3BMkiDf002812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200904112246.n3BMkiDf002812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49E266BB.5080209@net153.net> Borries Demeler wrote: >>> I remember reading about this a while ago, and I started up vnstat on >>> my router. >>> >>> http://shlrm.org/vnstat/ >>> >>> Thar be my cumulative bandwidth usage for about a year, month by month. >>> >>> >> Hey David can you tell me how to do that to see what I use on my DSL? I >> can run the CLI but only with someone supplying the code I still have >> that stuff to learn in the 80 to 100yr period of this trip. I would >> appreciate it. >> thanks > > I have an older linksys that I flashed with a third-party Linux distro, > I wonder if this distro can be tweaked to do the vnstat accounting and reporting. > I'm using Hyperwrt 2.1b1 + Thibor15c. Does anyone have some experience with this? > Right now it has the ability to run sshd and I can log into it from my private site > to get some sort of shell interface: > > BusyBox v1.1.2 (2006.04.29-14:07+0000) Built-in shell (ash) > Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. > > # help > > Built-in commands: > ------------------- > . : alias bg break cd chdir continue eval exec exit export false > fg hash help jobs kill let local pwd read readonly return set > shift times trap true type ulimit umask unalias unset wait > > But I think this would need some serious kernel surgery to provide vnstat service. > I wonder if it is possible, though. Any router hackers out there? Maybe someone > already made a distro that can do this on my router. > > -b. The tomato firmware has some already included. Alittle bit different than vnstat though. http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato Or if one has an old computer laying around they could install one of the many firewall distros. I think almost all of them come with traffic accounting programs. I know Smoothwall does: http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=31111 Sam From satlug at net153.net Sun Apr 12 17:23:29 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sun Apr 12 17:23:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Springs for IBM Model M Keyboard Message-ID: <49E269E1.1090404@net153.net> Does any one have an old non working IBM model m keyboard that they could snag some springs off of? I need 2 but I am thinking maybe 3 just in case. They are not too hard to get without taking the keyboard apart. Just pop a key off and you will see the spring sticking up. The spring it self is seated on a little nipple looking thing on the key switch down in the hole. It is just held on by friction. Just pull up on the spring alittle bit with your finger and use a small pick or something to dig the spring off of the little nipple thing. It is not that hard to stretch the spring so you do have to be careful. Oh and these things are awesome to type on. Highly recommended! Thanks, Sam From hc at lookcee.com Sun Apr 12 18:03:21 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Sun Apr 12 18:02:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Springs for IBM Model M Keyboard In-Reply-To: <49E269E1.1090404@net153.net> References: <49E269E1.1090404@net153.net> Message-ID: <49E27339.8040706@lookcee.com> Samuel Leon wrote: > Does any one have an old non working IBM model m keyboard that they > could snag some springs off of? I need 2 but I am thinking maybe 3 > just in case. They are not too hard to get without taking the > keyboard apart. Just pop a key off and you will see the spring > sticking up. The spring it self is seated on a little nipple looking > thing on the key switch down in the hole. It is just held on by > friction. Just pull up on the spring alittle bit with your finger and > use a small pick or something to dig the spring off of the little > nipple thing. It is not that hard to stretch the spring so you do > have to be careful. > > Oh and these things are awesome to type on. Highly recommended! > > Thanks, > Sam Sam, I agree awesome, wouldn't part with any of my three but I did replace an escaped spring with either one from under the wheel of a Bic lighter or a retractable ball point pen can't remember had to kind if tweak it to get down on the contact nipple but it still works fine, don't even remember which one I did that to. Wish you luck. herb From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sun Apr 12 19:39:07 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sun Apr 12 19:39:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <49E266BB.5080209@net153.net> Message-ID: <200904130039.n3D0d7SW030540@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > The tomato firmware has some already included. Alittle bit different > than vnstat though. http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato Sounds good, thanks for the pointer! > > Or if one has an old computer laying around they could install one of > the many firewall distros. I think almost all of them come with traffic > accounting programs. I know Smoothwall does: > http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=31111 You are right, but I didn't want to have another computer running 24/7 and instead save some power by just running everything on my linksys. I have one of the older models with a lot of memory and higher processor speed, capable of running linux distros, might as well use it. -b. From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 19:40:43 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Apr 12 19:40:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Update Yesterday. In-Reply-To: <200904112246.n3BMkiDf002812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <7c63fb3d0904111531n7be39f4bye3436d311a53902b@mail.gmail.com> <200904112246.n3BMkiDf002812@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904121740u1e1c9917q6095902b6c5706a0@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Borries Demeler wrote: > I have an older linksys that I flashed with a third-party Linux distro, > I wonder if this distro can be tweaked to do the vnstat accounting and reporting. > I'm using Hyperwrt 2.1b1 + Thibor15c. Does anyone have some experience with this? > Right now it has the ability to run sshd and I can log into it from my private site > to get some sort of shell interface: The ddWRT and Tomato firmwares have a killer bandwidth monitor. I don't know if it shows as much information as vmstat. On my firewall/router I have Ganglia and rrdtools (like we do on our clusters) so I can monitor my own bandwidth (local and remote). -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From satlug at net153.net Sun Apr 12 20:00:59 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Sun Apr 12 20:01:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Springs for IBM Model M Keyboard In-Reply-To: <49E27339.8040706@lookcee.com> References: <49E269E1.1090404@net153.net> <49E27339.8040706@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <49E28ECB.4080902@net153.net> Herb Cee wrote: > Samuel Leon wrote: >> Does any one have an old non working IBM model m keyboard that they >> could snag some springs off of? I need 2 but I am thinking maybe 3 >> just in case. They are not too hard to get without taking the >> keyboard apart. Just pop a key off and you will see the spring >> sticking up. The spring it self is seated on a little nipple looking >> thing on the key switch down in the hole. It is just held on by >> friction. Just pull up on the spring alittle bit with your finger and >> use a small pick or something to dig the spring off of the little >> nipple thing. It is not that hard to stretch the spring so you do >> have to be careful. >> >> Oh and these things are awesome to type on. Highly recommended! >> >> Thanks, >> Sam > Sam, I agree awesome, wouldn't part with any of my three but I did > replace an escaped spring with either one from under the wheel of a Bic > lighter or a retractable ball point pen can't remember had to kind if > tweak it to get down on the contact nipple but it still works fine, > don't even remember which one I did that to. Wish you luck. > herb > ROFL that is awesome. I will try it if all else fails. But I have a feeling that someone has a beat up model m sitting in their closet somewhere just waiting. Sam From satlug at vinny.us Sun Apr 12 22:15:24 2009 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Sun Apr 12 22:15:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Springs for IBM Model M Keyboard In-Reply-To: <49E269E1.1090404@net153.net> References: <49E269E1.1090404@net153.net> Message-ID: <24cb34e0904122015h333e0733y2d471ad3bb85b9b3@mail.gmail.com> I have several spares lying around, your welcome to take one for parts. I will take one to work with me tomorrow (UTSA 1604) and you can pick it up from 10am to 4pm. Or swing by and get it tomorrow evening. You can email me vhuckaba at gmail to make arrangements if you need to get it after work. --Vinny I would love to use it at work, but the clicks would get lynched for sure... =) On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Samuel Leon wrote: > Does any one have an old non working IBM model m keyboard that they could > snag some springs off of? I need 2 but I am thinking maybe 3 just in case. > They are not too hard to get without taking the keyboard apart. Just pop a > key off and you will see the spring sticking up. The spring it self is > seated on a little nipple looking thing on the key switch down in the hole. > It is just held on by friction. Just pull up on the spring alittle bit > with your finger and use a small pick or something to dig the spring off of > the little nipple thing. It is not that hard to stretch the spring so you > do have to be careful. > > Oh and these things are awesome to type on. Highly recommended! > > Thanks, > Sam > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From leif at paisd.net Mon Apr 13 13:26:33 2009 From: leif at paisd.net (Leif Johnson) Date: Mon Apr 13 13:26:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] open DNS Resolver Message-ID: I've managed DNS for my school district for some time, but never considered myself an expert. Now I have a complaint that I'm running an "open DNS resolver" Can someone point me to a guide that can help me secure this a bit? A Quote from an email from theNET UT OTS (-my parent) "we are working with a number of large ISPs on a recent DNS amplifier attack and the following systems are open DNS resolvers that appeared to have been used in the attack:" (My 2 DNS IPs included) [leif@amberjack ~]$ rpm -qa|grep bind bind-utils-9.2.5-3 ypbind-1.17.2-3 bind-libs-9.2.5-3 bind-9.2.5-3 bind-chroot-9.2.5-3 Sincerely, Leif Johnson (361) 749-1200 x. 316 http://blog.paisd.net From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Apr 13 13:47:59 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Apr 13 13:48:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] open DNS Resolver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E388DF.6080608@shub-internet.org> on 4/13/09 1:26 PM, Leif Johnson said: > I've managed DNS for my school district for some time, but never > considered myself an expert. Now I have a complaint that I'm running an > "open DNS resolver" Can someone point me to a guide that can help me > secure this a bit? Fortunately, this is one of my areas of specialty. I was railing against Caching Open Recursive Nameservers (CORNs) back in 2002, as one part of my invited talk I did at LISA that year (see ). A quick search turned up more recent articles at , , and . -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 14:01:13 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Apr 13 14:01:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] open DNS Resolver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E38BF9.3080802@gmail.com> Leif Johnson wrote: > > I've managed DNS for my school district for some time, but never > considered myself an expert. Now I have a complaint that I'm running an > "open DNS resolver" Can someone point me to a guide that can help me > secure this a bit? > > A Quote from an email from theNET UT OTS (-my parent) > "we are working with a number of large ISPs on a recent DNS amplifier > attack and the following systems are open DNS resolvers that appeared to > have been used in the attack:" (My 2 DNS IPs included) > > [leif@amberjack ~]$ rpm -qa|grep bind > bind-utils-9.2.5-3 > ypbind-1.17.2-3 > bind-libs-9.2.5-3 > bind-9.2.5-3 > bind-chroot-9.2.5-3 A DNS resolver is open if it provides recursive name resolution for clients outside of its administrative domain. The fix is to use a split horizon DNS configuration. The main configuration would look something like the fragment below. Note the line: allow-recursion { "internal"; }; Configuring DNS properly can be tricky. I recommend getting the O'Reilly book on DNS and Bind. It's something that needs to be studied. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596100575/ -- Bruce acl "internal" { 172.21/16; 172.22/16; 172.23/16; 172.24/16; 127/8; }; acl "external-slaves" { 1.2.3.4; }; acl "internal-slaves" { 172.21.0.3; }; options { directory "/"; pid-file "/var/run/named.pid"; version "Administratively withheld"; allow-recursion { "internal"; }; max-ncache-ttl 3600; # listen-on { 172.24.0.3; 127.0.0.1; }; query-source address 172.24.0.3 port 53; }; controls { inet 127.0.0.1 port 953 allow { 127.0.0.1; } keys { "rndc-key"; }; }; include "/etc/rndc.key"; view internal { match-clients { "internal"; }; allow-transfer { "internal-slaves"; }; zone "myzone.edu" IN { type master; file "db.myzone.edu"; }; ... }; view external { match-clients { any; }; allow-transfer { "external-slaves"; }; zone "myzone.edu" IN { type master; file "db.myzone.edu.external"; }; ... }; From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 14:13:51 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Apr 13 14:13:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] open DNS Resolver In-Reply-To: <49E388DF.6080608@shub-internet.org> References: <49E388DF.6080608@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <49E38EEF.9010905@gmail.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > ). The PDF's are missing and the PPTs don't seem to work for me in Open Office. > A quick search turned up more recent articles at > , Bind was fixed over two years ago to cover this relatively exotic vulnerability. Just using a recent version of bind fixes it. > , and A very brief overview of the solution. > . Discusses the issues of someone who *wants* to run a public caching DNS server. Applies mostly to ISPs. -- Bruce From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Apr 13 14:39:15 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Apr 13 14:39:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] open DNS Resolver In-Reply-To: <49E38EEF.9010905@gmail.com> References: <49E388DF.6080608@shub-internet.org> <49E38EEF.9010905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E394E3.7040100@shub-internet.org> on 4/13/09 2:13 PM, Bruce Dubbs said: >> ). > > The PDF's are missing and the PPTs don't seem to work for me in Open > Office. Well, it was 2002, and I was already very experienced in this field by that time -- I was a technical reviewer of 2nd edition of DNS & BIND. So, the tools I had available to me at the time have probably generated files that are no longer readable by modern programs. I'll see if I can find local copies of the PDFs that I can re-upload, or find out where my provider may have moved things. >> A quick search turned up more recent articles at >> , > > Bind was fixed over two years ago to cover this relatively exotic > vulnerability. Just using a recent version of bind fixes it. Go back and read that page again. This is the Kaminsky vulnerability. This is the largest DNS vulnerability ever demonstrated on the Internet, and is not limited to just BIND -- plenty of other programs are also vulnerable. This page has numerous links to other documents, pages, and vulnerabilities. Two documents of particular interest that it links to are the CERT's own "Securing an Internet Name Server" (see ), and the NIST's Special Publication 800-81 "Secure Domain Name System (DNS) Deployment Guide" (see ). Do not casually dismiss this one with a wave of your hand. >> . > > Discusses the issues of someone who *wants* to run a public caching DNS > server. Applies mostly to ISPs. Don't casually dismiss this one, either. They have lots of good links to vulnerabilities listed at us-cert.gov, as well as other articles that might be easier for less DNS-savvy people to understand. Anyone who wants or needs to run a nameserver might benefit from reading many of those articles. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From satlug at net153.net Mon Apr 13 16:05:28 2009 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Mon Apr 13 16:05:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] open DNS Resolver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49E3A918.3000506@net153.net> Leif Johnson wrote: > > I've managed DNS for my school district for some time, but never > considered myself an expert. Now I have a complaint that I'm running an > "open DNS resolver" Can someone point me to a guide that can help me > secure this a bit? > > A Quote from an email from theNET UT OTS (-my parent) > "we are working with a number of large ISPs on a recent DNS amplifier > attack and the following systems are open DNS resolvers that appeared to > have been used in the attack:" (My 2 DNS IPs included) > > [leif@amberjack ~]$ rpm -qa|grep bind > bind-utils-9.2.5-3 > ypbind-1.17.2-3 > bind-libs-9.2.5-3 > bind-9.2.5-3 > bind-chroot-9.2.5-3 > > Sincerely, > Leif Johnson > (361) 749-1200 x. 316 > http://blog.paisd.net In named.conf my last line is: include "/etc/bind/named.conf.local"; And in /etc/bind/named.conf.local I have: options { directory "/var/cache/bind"; auth-nxdomain no; # conform to RFC1035 //listen-on-v6 { any; }; allow-recursion { 10.40.0.0/16; localhost; }; allow-query { 10.40.0.0/16; localhost; }; allow-transfer { none; }; version "n/a"; }; That should disallow everything unless the ip matches which as you can see I have the local ip net. These can be overridden in named.conf. If you actually serve names to the internet, you will want to allow queries to those names in named.conf like this: zone "mywebserver.net" { type master; file "/etc/bind/db.mywebserver.net"; allow-query { any; }; allow-transfer { xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx }; }; But I agree with what others have said, you need to buy the bind and dns book. I stared at it for about 2 weeks before I even began to comprehend any of it... Sam From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 13 17:10:12 2009 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Mon Apr 13 17:10:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Easy BCD Message-ID: <49E3B844.5020108@sbcglobal.net> Is Easy BCD just Grub in diguise, or is it a different program that accomplishes the same purpose? See: http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 Grub hasn't given me any trouble, lately, but it has in the past. Andy Pickens From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Apr 13 17:11:05 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Apr 13 17:11:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [Fwd: [alg] Austin Broadband Info Center] Message-ID: <49E3B879.1080208@shub-internet.org> Folks, Just saw this on the ALG mailing list, and wanted to make sure that folks down there in San Antonio also had a chance to see it. There's not much there yet, but if we can build up a good community, then there's still hope for us yet. Thanks! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [alg] Austin Broadband Info Center Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:02:00 -0500 From: Chip Rosenthal Reply-To: The Austin (TX) Linux and General Discussion Mailing List To: linux@ctlug.org, alg@austinlug.org I want to let folks know about a new web site that was launched today, the Austin Broadband Information Center. http://www.austinbroadband.info/ I'll be posting news and information on the Time-Warner Cable metered bandwidth trials proposed for Austin. Please spread the word so more people can find out what's happening. Let me know if you have any questions or feedback. -- Chip Rosenthal * 512-573-5174 * KE5VHV * chip@unicom.com * www.unicom.com _______________________________________________ ALG Mailing List http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Apr 13 21:20:50 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Apr 13 21:20:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Springs for IBM Model M Keyboard In-Reply-To: <49E28ECB.4080902@net153.net> References: <49E269E1.1090404@net153.net> <49E27339.8040706@lookcee.com> <49E28ECB.4080902@net153.net> Message-ID: <1239675650.10388.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> > ROFL that is awesome. I will try it if all else fails. But I have a > feeling that someone has a beat up model m sitting in their closet > somewhere just waiting. > > Sam Sam you cannibal don't be afraid of Frankenstein. remember Hannibal Lechter ate his maker :) Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 04:32:57 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Apr 14 04:32:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]: [H]ard|OCP Message-ID: <49E45849.6070009@gmail.com> Sorry... Devil made me send this... http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEyNjExMzE1M25saG1RZG1RZW9fMV8xX2wuanBn Cheers; Ed From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Tue Apr 14 06:25:30 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Tue Apr 14 06:25:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]: [H]ard|OCP In-Reply-To: <49E45849.6070009@gmail.com> References: <49E45849.6070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E472AA.1070706@suddenlink.net> ed wrote: > Sorry... Devil made me send this... > > http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEyNjExMzE1M25saG1RZG1RZW9fMV8xX2wuanBn > > > Cheers; > Ed > > Hey! I think this guy was one of my computer repair students. He's getting better all the time! From jdchoate at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 14:39:07 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Tue Apr 14 14:37:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]: [H]ard|OCP In-Reply-To: <49E472AA.1070706@suddenlink.net> References: <49E45849.6070009@gmail.com> <49E472AA.1070706@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <200904141439.07297.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Tuesday 14 April 2009 06:25:30 Dennis Myhand wrote: > ed wrote: > > Sorry... Devil made me send this... > > > > http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEyNjExMzE1M25saG1RZG1RZW9fMV8xX2wuanBn > > > > > > Cheers; > > Ed > > > > > > Hey! I think this guy was one of my computer repair students. He's > getting better all the time! ROFL, that reminds me of the tech support story from when CDROM drives were new and a person complained to their tech support that their coffee cup holder had snapped off. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 15:27:33 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Apr 14 15:27:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT]: [H]ard|OCP In-Reply-To: <200904141439.07297.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <49E45849.6070009@gmail.com> <49E472AA.1070706@suddenlink.net> <200904141439.07297.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E4F1B5.90703@gmail.com> John D Choate wrote: > On Tuesday 14 April 2009 06:25:30 Dennis Myhand wrote: > >> ed wrote: >> >>> Sorry... Devil made me send this... >>> >>> http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTEyNjExMzE1M25saG1RZG1RZW9fMV8xX2wuanBn >>> >>> >>> Cheers; >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> >> Hey! I think this guy was one of my computer repair students. He's >> getting better all the time! >> > > ROFL, that reminds me of the tech support story from when CDROM drives were new and a person complained to their tech support that their coffee cup holder had snapped off. > Yeow! That one's as old as CDs in PCs... (ROFLMAO! -- I've used that one in some of my A+ classes...) Cheers; Ed From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Apr 14 08:25:44 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Apr 14 23:10:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> References: <49DB5FE9.3000101@earthlink.net> <49DB62B1.1060801@gmail.com> <49DB6440.7030205@gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904070741j76ed0d5t94750885ba5afe31@mail.gmail.com> <49DB6AD0.2090606@earthlink.net> <1cb556d10904070842x8bb7a0bu66d6096f08aca058@mail.gmail.com> <1239125346.49db8d62d0f49@webmail.grandecom.net> <49DC1121.1040206@austin.rr.com> <49DC1BCE.80502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1239715544.8541.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> I agree most city councils can be bought off with a small campaign donation and the mere promise of jobs down the road. Todd On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 22:36 -0500, ed wrote: > > Jim Parkhurst wrote: > > In another thread - Yahoo Cable - which was/is discussing the same > > thing a point was brought up that the cable companies (TWC) need to > > get permission from the cities that they want to serve. > And you think AT&T or TWC can't fit enough neocon rethuglicans in > Austin, Bexar County, or San Antonio into their pockets to make this > happen? This is still very much a conservative "red" state. > > A better bet for us might be to engage the EFF and/or similar > organizations to fuel the fight. > > TWC's actions are in large part (if the flip-side) what the "Net > Neutrality" battle is all about -- if they can't kill sites due to > either commercial viability or the 1st Amendment, then they'll throttle > the users via their pocketbooks. Their message is clear either way. > They want control, or they want money. 6-5, pick 'em... > > Cheers; > Ed > ======================= > > > > toddwbucy@grandecom.net wrote: > >> It seems to me that the only way to make TW and AT&T respond to this > >> is to make > >> some noise. It kept them from doing it before and its the only means > >> we have to > >> keep them from doing it now. That is outside of leaving TW for the > >> competition. > >> > >> Todd > >> > >> From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Apr 14 08:31:54 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Apr 14 23:11:07 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use In-Reply-To: <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> References: <200904080037.n380bvpv021218@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <1239208754.26225.6.camel@james-desktop> Message-ID: <1239715914.8541.2.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 11:39 -0500, James Tiner wrote: > UTHSCSA doesn't use RR. They do use Time-Warner but that is a different > division from RR. Caps being mentioned are for residential users of RR > and not the Business Class (at least as I understand it) and of course > the division that does T1 and higher (what UTHSCSA has) is definitely > not affected. > > Still sucks though and the only way to change it is to vote with your > dollars. Of course, if you can talk city council into not allowing any > new cables to be run in San Antonio unless they eliminate caps, then > that is an option as well. Better yet convince the city council to grab some of this IT money coming out of Washington to build up the city's IT infrastructure and expand the free public wifi. Todd From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Wed Apr 15 14:42:19 2009 From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury) Date: Wed Apr 15 14:42:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Corralling bandwidth use (UPDATE) - Tests in Texas rescheduled until October Message-ID: <49E6389B.3070002@momentumweb.com> From BetaNews: http://www.betanews.com/article/Tests-of-Time-Warner-broadband-cap-rescheduled-debates-continue/1239815400 From lgj at usenix.org Wed Apr 15 18:05:58 2009 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Wed Apr 15 18:06:01 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] USENIX '09 Registration Now Open Message-ID: We're pleased to invite you to attend the 2009 USENIX Annual Technical Conference. This year we're offering 6 days of training and a 3-day conference program filled with the latest systems research, security breakthroughs, and practical approaches to the questions and problems you wrestle with. You'll also have many opportunities to chat with peers who share your concerns and interests. http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/proga Training: Sunday-Friday, June 14-19, 2009 The 6-day training program at USENIX '09 provides in-depth and immediately useful training on the latest techniques, effective tools, and best strategies to help you stay competitive. Take a full series or individual classes covering: * Solaris: Debugging, administration, and DTrace taught by James Mauro, Peter Baer Galvin, and Marc Staveley * Virtualization: Xen Hypervisor, VMware ESX 3i, and security taught by Phil Cox, Wenjin Hu, Zach Shepherd, and Dan Anderson * Plus classes on cloud computing by Milind Bhandarkar, system administration by David N. Blank-Edelman, and more Find out more at http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/training/ Technical Sessions: Wednesday-Friday, June 17-19, 2009 The technical program begins with the Keynote Address, "Where Does the Power Go in High-Scale Data Centers?" by James Hamilton, VP & Distinguished Engineer, Amazon Web Services, and continues with an impressive slate of invited speakers such as: * Plenary Closing Session by David Brin, Hugo Award-winning author * Diomidis Spinellis, Athens University of Economics and Business, on "The Antikythera Mechanism: Hacking with Gears" * Matthew Jadud, Allegheny College in Meadville, on "Towards Designing Usable Languages" The USENIX '09 Refereed Papers Track is the leading forum for presenting the latest in ground-breaking systems research. Be among the first to check out the latest innovative work in the systems field. The Poster Session at USENIX '09 is an excellent forum for discussing new ideas and getting useful feedback from the community. Poster submissions should include a brief description of the research idea(s); the submission must not exceed 2 pages. Send poster submissions to usenix09posters@usenix.org by Tuesday, May 5, 2009. Finally, don't miss the opportunity to mingle with colleagues and leading experts in the Birds-of-a-Feather sessions and at the various evening social events, including a Poster Session & Happy Hour, vendor BoFs, and the Conference Reception. USENIX '09 promises to be an exciting showcase for the latest in innovative research and cutting-edge practices in technology. We look forward to seeing you in San Diego. On behalf of the USENIX '09 organizers, Geoffrey M. Voelker, University of California, San Diego Alec Wolman, Microsoft Research USENIX '09 Program Co-Chairs usenix09chairs@usenix.org P.S. Don't miss the workshops co-located with USENIX '09, including: Workshop on Hot Topics in Cloud Computing (HotCloud '09) Monday, June 15 http://www.usenix.org/events/hotcloud09/ Workshop on Large-scale Systems (LARGE '09) Tuesday, June 16 http://www.usenix.org/events/large09/ P.P.S. Stay connected with the USENIX '09 Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=29453586085&ref=ts ---------------------------------------------- 2009 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 14-19, 2009, San Diego, CA http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/proga Early Bird Registration Deadline: June 1, 2009 Discounts Available: http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/discounts ----------------------------------------------- From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Apr 16 19:13:09 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Apr 16 19:13:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Speed Cap Message-ID: <49E7C995.7050003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Have not seen this posted, so am doing so, in case no one has seen/heard it... The time of the posting isn't given, but based on the time of the comments, I'd say roughly around 3:15pm. -Geoff from mysa.com By David Saleh Rauf - Express-News Time Warner Cable Inc. announced plans Thursday to shelve a tier-based metered billing trial program in four cities, including San Antonio and Austin. Earlier this month, Time Warner, which has more than 8 million customers nationwide, announced plans to make San Antonio one of its first markets to try ?consumption-based billing,? an economic model that allows Internet providers to charge users varying rates depending on usage. Three other cities ? including Austin, Rochester, N.Y. and Greensboro N.C. ? were also tapped for trial programs. In a statement released on Twitter just minutes ago, one of the company's top executive's said ?it is clear from the public response over the last two weeks that there is a great deal of misunderstanding about our plans to roll out additional tests on consumption based billing.? ?As a result, we will not proceed with implementation of additional tests until further consultation with our customers and other interested parties, ensuring that community needs are being met ... We want to do everything we can to inform our customers of our plans and have the benefit of their views as part of our testing process,? wrote Glen Britt. Critics of a bill-by-the-byte economic model fired back Thursday, saying unprecedented consumer backlash and the prospect of federal legislation that would derail any plans to cap usage and charge overage fees caused Time Warner to rethink their plans. ?The public outcry was so large,? said Jerri Kaiser, a spokeswoman for U.S. Rep. Eric Massa, D-N.Y., who plans to file legislation that would prohibit unfair tiered price structures from internet providers. From siffland at nerdshack.com Thu Apr 16 19:48:42 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Thu Apr 16 19:48:43 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Speed Cap In-Reply-To: <49E7C995.7050003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <49E7C995.7050003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <3ae131d00904161748m67e9a95ct82f8ed09ef0eed67@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Geoff wrote: > Have not seen this posted, so am doing so, in case no one has seen/heard > it... > The time of the posting isn't given, but based on the time of the > comments, I'd say roughly around 3:15pm. > -Geoff > > > from mysa.com > > By David Saleh Rauf - Express-News > > Time Warner Cable Inc. announced plans Thursday to shelve a tier-based > metered billing trial program in four cities, including San Antonio and > Austin. > > Earlier this month, Time Warner, which has more than 8 million customers > nationwide, announced plans to make San Antonio one of its first markets > to try ?consumption-based billing,? an economic model that allows > Internet providers to charge users varying rates depending on usage. > Three other cities ? including Austin, Rochester, N.Y. and Greensboro > N.C. ? were also tapped for trial programs. > > In a statement released on Twitter just minutes ago, one of the > company's top executive's said ?it is clear from the public response > over the last two weeks that there is a great deal of misunderstanding > about our plans to roll out additional tests on consumption based billing.? > > ?As a result, we will not proceed with implementation of additional > tests until further consultation with our customers and other interested > parties, ensuring that community needs are being met ... We want to do > everything we can to inform our customers of our plans and have the > benefit of their views as part of our testing process,? wrote Glen Britt. > > Critics of a bill-by-the-byte economic model fired back Thursday, saying > unprecedented consumer backlash and the prospect of federal legislation > that would derail any plans to cap usage and charge overage fees caused > Time Warner to rethink their plans. > > ?The public outcry was so large,? said Jerri Kaiser, a spokeswoman for > U.S. Rep. Eric Massa, D-N.Y., who plans to file legislation that would > prohibit unfair tiered price structures from internet providers. > > -- They said ealier this week they were going to push this back until October and now this. I think this is a ploy so people do not start dropping between now and then. After all "further consultation with our customers" since when have they ever listened. Mark my words we have not seen the last of this. sean From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Apr 16 19:56:05 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Apr 16 19:58:10 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Speed Cap In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00904161748m67e9a95ct82f8ed09ef0eed67@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E7C995.7050003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <3ae131d00904161748m67e9a95ct82f8ed09ef0eed67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E7D3A5.7090006@futuretechsolutions.com> Sean I wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Geoff wrote: >> Have not seen this posted, so am doing so, in case no one has seen/heard >> it... >> The time of the posting isn't given, but based on the time of the >> comments, I'd say roughly around 3:15pm. >> -Geoff >> >> >> from mysa.com >> >> By David Saleh Rauf - Express-News >> >> Time Warner Cable Inc. announced plans Thursday to shelve a tier-based >> metered billing trial program in four cities, including San Antonio and >> Austin. >> >> Earlier this month, Time Warner, which has more than 8 million customers >> nationwide, announced plans to make San Antonio one of its first markets >> to try ?consumption-based billing,? an economic model that allows >> Internet providers to charge users varying rates depending on usage. >> Three other cities ? including Austin, Rochester, N.Y. and Greensboro >> N.C. ? were also tapped for trial programs. >> >> In a statement released on Twitter just minutes ago, one of the >> company's top executive's said ?it is clear from the public response >> over the last two weeks that there is a great deal of misunderstanding >> about our plans to roll out additional tests on consumption based billing.? >> >> ?As a result, we will not proceed with implementation of additional >> tests until further consultation with our customers and other interested >> parties, ensuring that community needs are being met ... We want to do >> everything we can to inform our customers of our plans and have the >> benefit of their views as part of our testing process,? wrote Glen Britt. >> >> Critics of a bill-by-the-byte economic model fired back Thursday, saying >> unprecedented consumer backlash and the prospect of federal legislation >> that would derail any plans to cap usage and charge overage fees caused >> Time Warner to rethink their plans. >> >> ?The public outcry was so large,? said Jerri Kaiser, a spokeswoman for >> U.S. Rep. Eric Massa, D-N.Y., who plans to file legislation that would >> prohibit unfair tiered price structures from internet providers. >> >> -- > > They said ealier this week they were going to push this back until > October and now this. I think this is a ploy so people do not start > dropping between now and then. After all "further consultation with > our customers" since when have they ever listened. Mark my words we > have not seen the last of this. > > sean I think "further consultation with our customers" should be read as "too many people were canceling service and citing the upcoming BW caps as the reason" From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 16 22:32:06 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg) Date: Thu Apr 16 21:33:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Speed Cap In-Reply-To: <49E7D3A5.7090006@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <49E7C995.7050003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <3ae131d00904161748m67e9a95ct82f8ed09ef0eed67@mail.gmail.com> <49E7D3A5.7090006@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: Either that or they were actually _reading_ all those messages that they were asking be sent to realideas@twcable.com for people's opinion....I know I sent one, and got back a form message (didn't expect anything else). Richard http://www.kevinspitcrew.com -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hogan Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:56 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Time Warner Speed Cap Sean I wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Geoff wrote: >> Have not seen this posted, so am doing so, in case no one has seen/heard >> it... >> The time of the posting isn't given, but based on the time of the >> comments, I'd say roughly around 3:15pm. >> -Geoff >> >> >> from mysa.com >> >> By David Saleh Rauf - Express-News >> >> Time Warner Cable Inc. announced plans Thursday to shelve a tier-based >> metered billing trial program in four cities, including San Antonio and >> Austin. >> >> Earlier this month, Time Warner, which has more than 8 million customers >> nationwide, announced plans to make San Antonio one of its first markets >> to try ?consumption-based billing,? an economic model that allows >> Internet providers to charge users varying rates depending on usage. >> Three other cities ? including Austin, Rochester, N.Y. and Greensboro >> N.C. ? were also tapped for trial programs. >> >> In a statement released on Twitter just minutes ago, one of the >> company's top executive's said ?it is clear from the public response >> over the last two weeks that there is a great deal of misunderstanding >> about our plans to roll out additional tests on consumption based billing.? >> >> ?As a result, we will not proceed with implementation of additional >> tests until further consultation with our customers and other interested >> parties, ensuring that community needs are being met ... We want to do >> everything we can to inform our customers of our plans and have the >> benefit of their views as part of our testing process,? wrote Glen Britt. >> >> Critics of a bill-by-the-byte economic model fired back Thursday, saying >> unprecedented consumer backlash and the prospect of federal legislation >> that would derail any plans to cap usage and charge overage fees caused >> Time Warner to rethink their plans. >> >> ?The public outcry was so large,? said Jerri Kaiser, a spokeswoman for >> U.S. Rep. Eric Massa, D-N.Y., who plans to file legislation that would >> prohibit unfair tiered price structures from internet providers. >> >> -- > > They said ealier this week they were going to push this back until > October and now this. I think this is a ploy so people do not start > dropping between now and then. After all "further consultation with > our customers" since when have they ever listened. Mark my words we > have not seen the last of this. > > sean I think "further consultation with our customers" should be read as "too many people were canceling service and citing the upcoming BW caps as the reason" -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2061 - Release Date: 04/15/09 19:52:00 From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Apr 17 07:57:06 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Apr 17 07:57:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Time Warner Speed Cap In-Reply-To: References: <49E7C995.7050003@w5omr.shacknet.nu> <3ae131d00904161748m67e9a95ct82f8ed09ef0eed67@mail.gmail.com> <49E7D3A5.7090006@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1239973026.31940.0.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> another article confirming TW's change of plans http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-c-1.html Todd On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 21:32 -0600, Richard Suberg wrote: > Either that or they were actually _reading_ all those messages that they were asking be sent to realideas@twcable.com for people's opinion....I know I sent one, and got back a form message (didn't expect anything else). > > > > Richard > http://www.kevinspitcrew.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hogan > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:56 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Time Warner Speed Cap > > > > Sean I wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Geoff wrote: > >> Have not seen this posted, so am doing so, in case no one has seen/heard > >> it... > >> The time of the posting isn't given, but based on the time of the > >> comments, I'd say roughly around 3:15pm. > >> -Geoff > >> > >> > >> from mysa.com > >> > >> By David Saleh Rauf - Express-News > >> > >> Time Warner Cable Inc. announced plans Thursday to shelve a tier-based > >> metered billing trial program in four cities, including San Antonio and > >> Austin. > >> > >> Earlier this month, Time Warner, which has more than 8 million customers > >> nationwide, announced plans to make San Antonio one of its first markets > >> to try ?consumption-based billing,? an economic model that allows > >> Internet providers to charge users varying rates depending on usage. > >> Three other cities ? including Austin, Rochester, N.Y. and Greensboro > >> N.C. ? were also tapped for trial programs. > >> > >> In a statement released on Twitter just minutes ago, one of the > >> company's top executive's said ?it is clear from the public response > >> over the last two weeks that there is a great deal of misunderstanding > >> about our plans to roll out additional tests on consumption based billing.? > >> > >> ?As a result, we will not proceed with implementation of additional > >> tests until further consultation with our customers and other interested > >> parties, ensuring that community needs are being met ... We want to do > >> everything we can to inform our customers of our plans and have the > >> benefit of their views as part of our testing process,? wrote Glen Britt. > >> > >> Critics of a bill-by-the-byte economic model fired back Thursday, saying > >> unprecedented consumer backlash and the prospect of federal legislation > >> that would derail any plans to cap usage and charge overage fees caused > >> Time Warner to rethink their plans. > >> > >> ?The public outcry was so large,? said Jerri Kaiser, a spokeswoman for > >> U.S. Rep. Eric Massa, D-N.Y., who plans to file legislation that would > >> prohibit unfair tiered price structures from internet providers. > >> > >> -- > > > > They said ealier this week they were going to push this back until > > October and now this. I think this is a ploy so people do not start > > dropping between now and then. After all "further consultation with > > our customers" since when have they ever listened. Mark my words we > > have not seen the last of this. > > > > sean > > I think "further consultation with our customers" should be read as "too > many people were canceling service and citing the upcoming BW caps as > the reason" > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2061 - Release Date: 04/15/09 19:52:00 > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Fri Apr 17 10:18:51 2009 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Fri Apr 17 10:19:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] RMS reminder Message-ID: <1239981532.31940.1.camel@toddwbucy-laptop> Just a reminder about the RMS talk on Monday Todd ================================================================== Hosted by Trinity University Free Software in Ethics and in Practice Richard Stallman Free Software Foundation Chapman Auditorium, Monday, 7:30-9:30 pm, April 20, 2009 Meeting is free and open to the public http://www.cs.trinity.edu/Flyer-Stallman-Apr20-09.pdf ================================================================== Reception A reception for students and faculty is in the Faculty Gold Room at 4:30-5:30pm. Lecture Location Chapman Auditorium, Chapman Center, Trinity University, San Antonio. Parking in Lot C, G, F, H. Campus map is available from Trinity website (Chapman Center is building #8): http://www.trinity.edu/departments/public_relations/tour/map/color_campus_map_new.pdf Abstract Richard Stallman will speak about the Free Software Movement, which campaigns for freedom so that computer users can cooperate to control their own computing activities. The Free Software Movement developed the GNU operating system, often erroneously referred to as Linux, specifically to establish these freedoms. Speaker's Bio Richard Stallman launched the development of the GNU operating system (see www.gnu.org) in 1984. GNU is free software: everyone has the freedom to copy it and redistribute it, as well as to make changes either large or small. The GNU/Linux system, basically the GNU operating system with Linux added, is used on tens of millions of computers today. Stallman has received the ACM Grace Hopper Award, a MacArthur Foundation fellowship, the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Pioneer award, and the Takeda Award for Social/Economic Betterment, as well as several honorary doctorates. For Further Information Department of Computer Science Yu Zhang 210-999-7399 yzhang@trinity.edu Sponsored by Department of Computer Science Lecturers and Visiting Scholars Committee Center for Learning and Technology Department of Engineering Science Department of Mathematics From pjcrux at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 11:08:24 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Fri Apr 17 11:08:26 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Sound Card for Fedora 9 Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0904170908o6e0a0559q22e2c764bbc33af4@mail.gmail.com> Anybody have a recommendation for a sound card with digital output that works well with FC9? would like it to be out least Dolby 5.1 and has to be in a PCI form factor. Cheers! Peter -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From bkfuth at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 11:46:55 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Fri Apr 17 11:46:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0904170946r7b487cfdtd6f21d7bffbd6069@mail.gmail.com> When is the next computer show? Steve -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From pjcrux at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 11:52:28 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Fri Apr 17 11:52:31 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0904170946r7b487cfdtd6f21d7bffbd6069@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0904170946r7b487cfdtd6f21d7bffbd6069@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0904170952q6c9e44f5jd6912357f7c57f79@mail.gmail.com> May 30th On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM, steve kolars wrote: > When is the next computer show? > > Steve > > -- > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From pjcrux at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 11:54:19 2009 From: pjcrux at gmail.com (Peter Cross) Date: Fri Apr 17 11:54:24 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0904170952q6c9e44f5jd6912357f7c57f79@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0904170946r7b487cfdtd6f21d7bffbd6069@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904170952q6c9e44f5jd6912357f7c57f79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c63fb3d0904170954i129bcbd8w72ba2c37fd056e6d@mail.gmail.com> Was trying to find the link for the org that sets it up but here is the PDF from the City of Live Oak. http://www.ci.live-oak.tx.us/Documents/may.pdf On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Peter Cross wrote: > May 30th > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM, steve kolars wrote: > >> When is the next computer show? >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail >> /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > Cheers! > > Peter J. Cross > San Antonio, TX > > "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" > -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > -- Cheers! Peter J. Cross San Antonio, TX "Experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions" -James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 51 Please consider the environment before printing this email From bkfuth at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 12:19:22 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Fri Apr 17 12:19:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0904171019i680ff9a0qfabd675117fae729@mail.gmail.com> Unfortunately I need to reschedule the Open Source Fest. Facilities has decided they need to have all of the air conditioning systems off-line for maintenance during our scheduled time. We tried to get the maintenance date changed, but... So, I am suggesting we reschedule it to June 2 - 6. Let me know what you think about the new dates. Steve -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Apr 17 13:06:21 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Fri Apr 17 13:06:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest Message-ID: <20090417110621.A21DF303@resin15.mta.everyone.net> At the current time the June dates are okay. Let me know asap as I have posted the dates on the Puppy Linux Forum and will need to change them. Nathan --- bkfuth@gmail.com wrote: From: steve kolars To: satlug@satlug.org Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:19:22 -0500 Unfortunately I need to reschedule the Open Source Fest. Facilities has decided they need to have all of the air conditioning systems off-line for maintenance during our scheduled time. We tried to get the maintenance date changed, but... So, I am suggesting we reschedule it to June 2 - 6. Let me know what you think about the new dates. Steve -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 17 13:39:16 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Apr 17 13:39:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Computer Show In-Reply-To: <7c63fb3d0904170954i129bcbd8w72ba2c37fd056e6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0904170946r7b487cfdtd6f21d7bffbd6069@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904170952q6c9e44f5jd6912357f7c57f79@mail.gmail.com> <7c63fb3d0904170954i129bcbd8w72ba2c37fd056e6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cihu454l05in319ra3nr395ac3let4l0e@4ax.com> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Peter Cross wrote: >Was trying to find the link for the org that sets it up <....> You mean this one? www.satlug.org 8^) Look on the left side at the bottom of the sidebar, where it says: Computer Show! and links to www.pcshows.com -- the organizer of the Live Oak event. Not only is the next San Antonio show featured, but the calendar of all upcoming shows is cleverly hidden under Show Calendar in the blue bar across the top. I know our website isn't sexy like FoxNews.com, but it does have some useful information once in a while. --Don >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM, steve kolars wrote: >> >>> When is the next computer show? -- www.satlug.org - The official reference for SATLUG matters. From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 17 14:51:34 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Apr 17 14:51:37 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0904171019i680ff9a0qfabd675117fae729@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0904171019i680ff9a0qfabd675117fae729@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:19:22 -0500, steve kolars wrote: >Unfortunately I need to reschedule the Open Source Fest. Facilities has >decided they need to have all of the air conditioning systems off-line for >maintenance during our scheduled time. The next SATLUG meeting is Thursday May 14, during the original Fest schedule, so that's also affected. OK, list members, any suggestions for a new (temp) location? --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From nathan at gvtc.com Fri Apr 17 15:32:21 2009 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Fri Apr 17 15:32:25 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest Message-ID: <20090417133221.8D69090D@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Does anyone have contact with the SA Library? The San Pedro Springs Park Branch is right across the street from SAC. I beleive they have a small room, but are not sure of how late they are open. If not, I can check on a location between 410 and 1604 on Wetmore for one or two meetings for free. My only long term idea is out here in the Bulverde / Spring Branch area where I am a member of the Community Center, but there is a cost. Nathan Nathan --- satlug@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Don Wright To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:51:34 -0500 On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:19:22 -0500, steve kolars wrote: >Unfortunately I need to reschedule the Open Source Fest. Facilities has >decided they need to have all of the air conditioning systems off-line for >maintenance during our scheduled time. The next SATLUG meeting is Thursday May 14, during the original Fest schedule, so that's also affected. OK, list members, any suggestions for a new (temp) location? --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bkfuth at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 18:59:59 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Fri Apr 17 19:00:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: References: <9b6ae23d0904171019i680ff9a0qfabd675117fae729@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0904171659i502c37d3gdb48319cd8f04015@mail.gmail.com> We will have air conditioning for the SATLUG meeting. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Don Wright wrote: > On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:19:22 -0500, steve kolars > wrote: > > >Unfortunately I need to reschedule the Open Source Fest. Facilities has > >decided they need to have all of the air conditioning systems off-line for > >maintenance during our scheduled time. > > The next SATLUG meeting is Thursday May 14, during the original Fest > schedule, so that's also affected. > > OK, list members, any suggestions for a new (temp) location? --Don > > -- > Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 17 20:13:01 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Apr 17 20:13:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <9b6ae23d0904171659i502c37d3gdb48319cd8f04015@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b6ae23d0904171019i680ff9a0qfabd675117fae729@mail.gmail.com> <9b6ae23d0904171659i502c37d3gdb48319cd8f04015@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:59:59 -0500, steve kolars wrote: >We will have air conditioning for the SATLUG meeting. Ah, very good. Nevermind. --Don -- This has been a test of the emergency alert system. If it had been an actual emergency, the broadcasters in your area would have been long gone before they let anyone else know. Good thing for you this was only a test. From luis at luisgarza.com Sat Apr 18 04:12:37 2009 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Sat Apr 18 04:19:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <20090417133221.8D69090D@resin17.mta.everyone.net> References: <20090417133221.8D69090D@resin17.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <428600.93069.qm@web37006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How about the Health Science Center? ________________________________ From: Nathan To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:32:21 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest Does anyone have contact with the SA Library? The San Pedro Springs Park Branch is right across the street from SAC. I beleive they have a small room, but are not sure of how late they are open. If not, I can check on a location between 410 and 1604 on Wetmore for one or two meetings for free. My only long term idea is out here in the Bulverde / Spring Branch area where I am a member of the Community Center, but there is a cost. Nathan Nathan --- satlug@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Don Wright To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:51:34 -0500 On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:19:22 -0500, steve kolars wrote: >Unfortunately I need to reschedule the Open Source Fest. Facilities has >decided they need to have all of the air conditioning systems off-line for >maintenance during our scheduled time. The next SATLUG meeting is Thursday May 14, during the original Fest schedule, so that's also affected. OK, list members, any suggestions for a new (temp) location? --Don -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From mariocompeanc at yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 08:44:22 2009 From: mariocompeanc at yahoo.com (Mario Compean) Date: Sat Apr 18 08:44:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Dreamhost Developer Contest Message-ID: <386897.62390.qm@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To developers on the list: Dreamhost has a contest for developers that may be of interest to you. Go the link below and scroll down to find the details. Buena suerte. Mario we're having a CRAZY $10,000 API Contest! Read all about it at: ???http://blog.dreamhost.com/2009/04/09/big-boy-time/ Basically, make an APP that uses the DreamHost API and submit it in the comments of that blog post by May 31st, 2009 and you could win: ???Grand Prize: $5,000 ???1st Place: $2,500 ???2nd Place: $1,250 ???3rd Place: $500 ???4th Place: $750 (And yes, those amounts are correct. I told you it was crazy.) Originally, the contest deadline was April 30th, but since this March newsletter is being so SLOW, it was extended. However, as an additional bonus for early-bird super-fast developer-types, if you submit your app in the comments by April 30th, besides still being eligible for the regular prizes, you will also be eligible for a BONUS $2,000 to be awarded to "The Best DreamHost API app submitted before May!" From bkfuth at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 10:45:37 2009 From: bkfuth at gmail.com (steve kolars) Date: Sat Apr 18 10:45:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <428600.93069.qm@web37006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20090417133221.8D69090D@resin17.mta.everyone.net> <428600.93069.qm@web37006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9b6ae23d0904180845y4f0b6c64r10d0afffb44ee15d@mail.gmail.com> Not an issue Luis, but thanks anyway. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Luis Garza wrote: > How about the Health Science Center? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Nathan > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:32:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest > > Does anyone have contact with the SA Library? The San Pedro Springs Park > Branch is right across the street from SAC. I beleive they have a small > room, but are not sure of how late they are open. > > If not, I can check on a location between 410 and 1604 on Wetmore for one > or two meetings for free. My only long term idea is out here in the > Bulverde / Spring Branch area where I am a member of the Community Center, > but there is a cost. > > Nathan > > Nathan > > --- satlug@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > From: Don Wright > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:51:34 -0500 > > On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:19:22 -0500, steve kolars > wrote: > > >Unfortunately I need to reschedule the Open Source Fest. Facilities has > >decided they need to have all of the air conditioning systems off-line for > >maintenance during our scheduled time. > > The next SATLUG meeting is Thursday May 14, during the original Fest > schedule, so that's also affected. > > OK, list members, any suggestions for a new (temp) location? --Don > > -- > Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Apr 20 12:21:08 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Mon Apr 20 12:21:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Oracle & Sun Message-ID: <0ef7de26b008401586672454b8a276e0.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Oracle has agreed to buy Sun, another chance to ring the register if you have shares and missed the IBM run-up opportunity. From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 20 13:30:47 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Apr 20 13:30:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Oracle & Sun In-Reply-To: <0ef7de26b008401586672454b8a276e0.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <0ef7de26b008401586672454b8a276e0.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <48cpu498ul0eqq2tjdhvgn1kh6ajelqble@4ax.com> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:21:08 -0400, "scs@worldlinkisp.com" wrote: >Oracle has agreed to buy Sun, another chance to ring the register >if you have shares and missed the IBM run-up opportunity. And say goodbye to OpenSolaris, free Java, MySQL, ZFS, and the policy that Sun patents wouldn't be used to attack Linux. And for you old timers, goodbye to sunsite.whatever.tld. Heck, as soon as his lawyers think of it, Larry the E will probably seek revenues from all animated screen savers. Continuing coverage at www.groklaw.com -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From afcasta at satx.rr.com Mon Apr 20 19:00:39 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (afcasta@satx.rr.com) Date: Mon Apr 20 19:00:45 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Oracle & Sun In-Reply-To: <48cpu498ul0eqq2tjdhvgn1kh6ajelqble@4ax.com> Message-ID: <20090421000039.XR9L3.252685.root@cdptpa-web02-z02> Don Wright wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:21:08 -0400, "scs@worldlinkisp.com" > wrote: > >Oracle has agreed to buy Sun, another chance to ring the register > >if you have shares and missed the IBM run-up opportunity. > And say goodbye to OpenSolaris, free Java, MySQL, ZFS, and the policy > that Sun patents wouldn't be used to attack Linux. I'm not sure I agree with that .... Oracle has been doing their development work on Linux for years, and actively markets a build that started as RHEL as Oracle Unbreakable Linux: http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/index.html When I was installing Oracle 10g Applications Server on one system and Oracle 10g Database server on an 8 core server, Oracle was very supportive of RHEL 5.2 at the time. Although they don't support it directly, I've had them help me tweak the kernel on Scientifc Linux for Oracle Database Server as well. Of course, a metalink account and paid up maintenance is required for this help, but they were a lot easier to work with than Sun. At least their hold music varies from Handel's Water Music instead of just playing it over and over as SunSolve does. That said, I still prefer a Linux system with either MySQL or Postgres. Be interesting to see what Oracle does with MySQL, though. At least they can't do any worse with it than NuSphere did. > And for you old timers, goodbye to sunsite.whatever.tld. Heck, as soon > as his lawyers think of it, Larry the E will probably seek revenues from > all animated screen savers. The site I used the most was sunsite.unc.edu, even back in gopher days, but that's been called ibiblio.org for years: afcasta@shoebox:~$ nslookup sunsite.unc.edu Server: 24.93.41.127 Address: 24.93.41.127#53 Name: sunsite.unc.edu Address: 152.46.7.80 afcasta@shoebox:~$ nslookup www.ibiblio.org Server: 24.93.41.127 Address: 24.93.41.127#53 Name: www.ibiblio.org Address: 152.46.7.80 Al Castanoli From brad at shub-internet.org Mon Apr 20 20:39:07 2009 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon Apr 20 20:39:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Oracle & Sun In-Reply-To: <48cpu498ul0eqq2tjdhvgn1kh6ajelqble@4ax.com> References: <0ef7de26b008401586672454b8a276e0.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <48cpu498ul0eqq2tjdhvgn1kh6ajelqble@4ax.com> Message-ID: <49ED23BB.4040904@shub-internet.org> on 4/20/09 1:30 PM, Don Wright said: > And say goodbye to OpenSolaris, free Java, MySQL, ZFS, and the policy > that Sun patents wouldn't be used to attack Linux. IMO, MySQL will probably be used as a gateway database, to introduce people to Oracle. As such, it will need to remain freely available. Otherwise, it's too dangerous to sell off (it could become more of a real threat for their cash cow), and it's too dangerous to kill (the developers will just fork off). OpenSolaris and ZFS will probably get folded into their Oracle-as-an-appliance device, and dtrace and mdb, etc... will likewise be kept and folded into the software. Java is now a standard, but Oracle will be able to have more control where it goes. Moreover, they have mission-critical components that are built in Java, so they need to control their own destiny there. Again, I think Java will be kept around as a gateway to other Oracle products, so I don't think it's going away -- there's too much of a community of developers there that they'd be chucking out with the bathwater. What I think will go away quickly is the SPARC hardware stuff (probably sold to Fujitsu, who already has their own line of SPARC hardware), and I think they'll probably curtail selling standard servers. Their hardware will be used to run their software on their OS, and provide their own storage on their own platform as well. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 10:18:13 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Apr 21 10:18:16 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading from VMPlayer 2.5.1 to 2.5.2 woes Message-ID: <79ec289f0904210818o18b7bc30t44a4f70badef78c8@mail.gmail.com> Good morning all, I got a weird problem. A user updated their machine to CentOS 5.3 which meant the new 2.6.18-128 kernel. So I downloaded the new version of VMPlayer 2.5.2 and install it on his machine. Now the problem.... I see 6 posts about this on the VMware Community pages and nobody has answered it. When we try to load his VMX file, I get this: "Error while powering on: VMware Player cannot connect to the virtual machine. Make sure you have the rights to run the program and to access all directories it uses and rights to access all directories for temporary files." User permissions are good, and the vm binaries are setuid root. I get this error if I'm his user or as root. I have since uninstalled 2.5.2 several times, and even went back to 2.5.1.. All instances I get this same error message. As a test to see if his image was somehow corrupted, I copied it to another machine. There the image loaded normally. What have I done so far? Well, I've recompiled the VM modules from source (I remember older versions you needed to run vmware-config.pl with a new kernel, now its vmware-modconfig), removed by hand all traces of VMPlayer and reinstalled version 2.5.2. Nothing seems to work and it looks like I am one of only 6 people that have reported this problem to VMware. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 16:28:01 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Apr 21 16:28:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] VMPlayer to VirtualBox Message-ID: <79ec289f0904211428j4e0e8a3fq4800c125fac004d0@mail.gmail.com> Well I couldn't find an answer to my VMPlayer question, so I've converted the user to VirtualBox. But, one tiny small problem, when the XP login screen comes up we lose all keyboard and mouse activity, locally and remotely connected via RDP. Anybody seen this before with VirtualBox? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From ziriax at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 16:42:05 2009 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Tue Apr 21 16:42:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] VMPlayer to VirtualBox In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904211428j4e0e8a3fq4800c125fac004d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904211428j4e0e8a3fq4800c125fac004d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e0904211442n5178a33dqe206a26f88ecda57@mail.gmail.com> Not with VirtualBox, but with Vmware. Their web site has a description of the problem, which might be the same. It seems, they the keyboard works differently in X and you need to make and adjustment to work around it. I think this is the right link. I might be a similar problem for Virtualbox since it was an X config change. Good luck John http://pubs.vmware.com/ws6_ace2/ws/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ws&file=ws_devices_keymap_vscan.html On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Well I couldn't find an answer to my VMPlayer question, so I've > converted the user to VirtualBox. But, one tiny small problem, when > the XP login screen comes up we lose all keyboard and mouse activity, > locally and remotely connected via RDP. Anybody seen this before with > VirtualBox? > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 16:44:04 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Apr 21 16:44:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] VMPlayer to VirtualBox In-Reply-To: <31bde60e0904211442n5178a33dqe206a26f88ecda57@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904211428j4e0e8a3fq4800c125fac004d0@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e0904211442n5178a33dqe206a26f88ecda57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904211444w667df46aue4309b428421a668@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM, John Ziriax wrote: > Not with VirtualBox, but with Vmware. ?Their web site has a description of > the problem, which might be the same. It seems, they the keyboard works > differently in X and you need to make and adjustment to work around it. > > I think this is the right link. ?I might be a similar problem for Virtualbox > since it was an X config change. John, I guess I spoke too soon. I let the XP login screen sit for awhile and I came back and the mouse and keyboard were working again. I can only assume Winders was install the new drivers for the new virtual hardware VirtualBox provides. I'm off now to see if I can't get the network and VB Tools installed. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From ziriax at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 16:54:26 2009 From: ziriax at gmail.com (John Ziriax) Date: Tue Apr 21 16:54:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] VMPlayer to VirtualBox In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904211444w667df46aue4309b428421a668@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904211428j4e0e8a3fq4800c125fac004d0@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e0904211442n5178a33dqe206a26f88ecda57@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0904211444w667df46aue4309b428421a668@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31bde60e0904211454r4a24c86fw9f9284e5341aeec9@mail.gmail.com> Keep us posted. I installed XP under Virtualbox once just for giggles, but never really used it. I might at work which I run VMware. But it is already "approved". ;) jz On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:42 PM, John Ziriax wrote: > > Not with VirtualBox, but with Vmware. Their web site has a description > of > > the problem, which might be the same. It seems, they the keyboard works > > differently in X and you need to make and adjustment to work around it. > > > > I think this is the right link. I might be a similar problem for > Virtualbox > > since it was an X config change. > > John, I guess I spoke too soon. I let the XP login screen sit for > awhile and I came back and the mouse and keyboard were working again. > I can only assume Winders was install the new drivers for the new > virtual hardware VirtualBox provides. I'm off now to see if I can't > get the network and VB Tools installed. > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 16:55:50 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Tue Apr 21 16:55:52 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] VMPlayer to VirtualBox In-Reply-To: <31bde60e0904211454r4a24c86fw9f9284e5341aeec9@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904211428j4e0e8a3fq4800c125fac004d0@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e0904211442n5178a33dqe206a26f88ecda57@mail.gmail.com> <79ec289f0904211444w667df46aue4309b428421a668@mail.gmail.com> <31bde60e0904211454r4a24c86fw9f9284e5341aeec9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904211455r60e161b5x1fc7d0b4ee54cd05@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:54 PM, John Ziriax wrote: > Keep us posted. ?I installed XP under Virtualbox once just for giggles, but > never really used it. I might at work which I run VMware. But it is already > "approved". ;) jz I kinda like it so far. Plus I LOVE the fact I can RDP to a remote client. I just finished installing the Guest Tools. Mouse is WAY more responsive now, Control Panel doesn't crash and the video is snappier. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 18:22:48 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Apr 21 18:22:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software Message-ID: <657583.52574.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'm looking for something that is not web enabled.. just some software that can run under linux (of course) that keeps track of customers, invoices, etc. I looked at Gnucash but didnt like it too much. Anything you'all recommend? Alex From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Apr 21 18:37:20 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Apr 21 18:40:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <657583.52574.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <657583.52574.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49EE58B0.2030109@futuretechsolutions.com> Not Free, as in speech or beer, if you have more than the most modest requirements. I have used it in the past, and it is a fairly decent program. http://www.linuxcanada.com/ Alex Bartonek wrote: > I'm looking for something that is not web enabled.. just some software that can run under linux (of course) that keeps track of customers, invoices, etc. I looked at Gnucash but didnt like it too much. Anything you'all recommend? > > > Alex > > > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 19:38:26 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Apr 21 19:38:28 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <49EE58B0.2030109@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <601720.36674.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> cool.. I'll download it and try it out. --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Charles Hogan wrote: > From: Charles Hogan > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 6:37 PM > Not Free, as in speech or beer, if you have more than the > most modest requirements. I have used it in the past, and > it is a fairly decent program. > http://www.linuxcanada.com/ > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > > I'm looking for something that is not web > enabled.. just some software that can run under linux (of > course) that keeps track of customers, invoices, etc. I > looked at Gnucash but didnt like it too much. Anything > you'all recommend? > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > -- _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 19:43:25 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 21 19:43:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <49EE58B0.2030109@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <657583.52574.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <49EE58B0.2030109@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <49EE682D.7000906@gmail.com> Charles Hogan wrote: > Not Free, as in speech or beer, if you have more than the most modest > requirements. I have used it in the past, and it is a fairly decent > program. > http://www.linuxcanada.com/ > > > Alex Bartonek wrote: >> I'm looking for something that is not web enabled.. just some >> software that can run under linux (of course) that keeps track of >> customers, invoices, etc. I looked at Gnucash but didnt like it too >> much. Anything you'all recommend? Isn't Gnucash very quickbooks-like? ~Nate From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 19:54:09 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Apr 21 19:54:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <49EE682D.7000906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <950719.44338.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 4/21/09, N. Turnage wrote: > > Alex Bartonek wrote: > >> I'm looking for something that is not web > enabled.. just some software that can run under linux (of > course) that keeps track of customers, invoices, etc. I > looked at Gnucash but didnt like it too much. Anything > you'all recommend? > > > Isn't Gnucash very quickbooks-like? > > > ~Nate probably.. but its lame... spent some time setting up a customer, invoice etc and it crashed on me. I'm not one to figure out other peoples programming problems so I'm looking for something that works. -Alex From pixelnate at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 20:20:44 2009 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (N. Turnage) Date: Tue Apr 21 20:20:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <950719.44338.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <950719.44338.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49EE70EC.1020804@gmail.com> Alex Bartonek wrote: > > probably.. but its lame... spent some time setting up a customer, invoice etc and it crashed on me. I'm not one to figure out other peoples programming problems so I'm looking for something that works. > I hate to admit it, but that's why I have gone back to using a Mac for most of my work. I still believe in open source, and I love Ubuntu (and apt-get and the snappy feel of Linux), but I got tired of the lack of good stable software, and I needed to get work done. That said, if Adobe ports the Creative Suite to Linux, I'll be the first on board. I still use open source apps in my daily work, though. Blender is a large part of my workflow, Open Office handles all of my "Office-like" needs, and I even use Inkscape when I can make a reason to. But trying to make a living in the graphics/design/web with a purely FOSS setup is really tough. Gimp and Scribus are just not mature enough for me. ~Nate From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Apr 21 20:32:58 2009 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue Apr 21 20:33:02 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software Message-ID: >probably.. but its lame... spent some time setting up a customer, invoice etc and >it crashed on me. I'm not one to figure out other peoples programming problems >so I'm looking for something that works. -Alex ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strange, I use gnucash daily, works great, and has yet to crash (touch-wood). Lou From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 21:00:56 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Tue Apr 21 21:00:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <49EE70EC.1020804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <243750.93680.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 4/21/09, N. Turnage wrote: > I hate to admit it, but that's why I have gone back to > using a Mac for most of my work. I still believe in open > source, and I love Ubuntu (and apt-get and the snappy feel > of Linux), but I got tired of the lack of good stable > software, and I needed to get work done. That said, if Adobe > ports the Creative Suite to Linux, I'll be the first on > board. > I havent bailed on Linux. I get annoyed but I dont blame linux for others shortcomings. Not saying you are or anything like that. I didnt like the feel of GnuCash anyway. I left windows because of crashing/having to reinstall. Havent had to reinstall Linux ever, so I'm hesitant to leave it lest the newfound OS I choose has the same issues. :- / From rhermida at utpa.edu Thu Apr 23 10:08:09 2009 From: rhermida at utpa.edu (Ramon Hermida) Date: Thu Apr 23 10:08:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <243750.93680.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <49EE70EC.1020804@gmail.com> <243750.93680.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E040223EA@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> I heard good things about KMyMoney, but I have not tested it myself. -RH -----Original Message----- From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf Of Alex Bartonek Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:01 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software --- On Tue, 4/21/09, N. Turnage wrote: > I hate to admit it, but that's why I have gone back to > using a Mac for most of my work. I still believe in open > source, and I love Ubuntu (and apt-get and the snappy feel > of Linux), but I got tired of the lack of good stable > software, and I needed to get work done. That said, if Adobe > ports the Creative Suite to Linux, I'll be the first on > board. > I havent bailed on Linux. I get annoyed but I dont blame linux for others shortcomings. Not saying you are or anything like that. I didnt like the feel of GnuCash anyway. I left windows because of crashing/having to reinstall. Havent had to reinstall Linux ever, so I'm hesitant to leave it lest the newfound OS I choose has the same issues. :- / -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 23 11:08:20 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Apr 23 11:08:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Cyber-Attack on an American City Message-ID: Early report from Bruce Perens about the California worker who crippled a big chunk of a city with a few cuts. http://perens.com/works/articles/MorganHill/ Which leads to the question: How vulnerable is _your_ company, hospital, or city? --Don -- I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tourist tongues on fire over tacos at Mi Tierra. I watched HS bands glitter in the dark near the Hemisfair Gate. All these moments will be lost in time, like beer at NIOSA. Time to party. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Thu Apr 23 11:37:06 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Thu Apr 23 11:37:03 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Cyber-Attack on an American City In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F09932.3020107@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Don Wright wrote: > - > I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tourist tongues on > fire over tacos at Mi Tierra. I watched HS bands glitter in the dark > near the Hemisfair Gate. All these moments will be lost in time, > like beer at NIOSA. Time to party. I was there, Don. I was in that glittering band at the Hemisfair gate. I've laughed at the Tour-ons (what you get when you cross a Tourist with a Moron), I've pulled my drivers license out at a restaurant on the RiverWalk and said "I -LIVE- here! I want the LUNCH menu, not the DINNER menu!", I was at Shakey's Pizza, listening to the live Dixie-land Jazz bands (banjo, horn, bass, drums) drinking pitchers of beer... and of course, no reminiscences would be complete without a mention of riding the Rocket at Playland Park... (all of which begs the old and oft repeated question: "Why -CAN'T- we have a SATLUG-ETC area, again?") and now, here in the real world, people want to take all that away with cyber attacks and a current administration that is jacking up the bill that our grandchildrens grandchildren won't be able to pay off. What 'good times' are our kids going to remember when they look back at their 'good ol' days'? With all of our technical advancements, I fail to understand how we've "progressed" when the basic human rights are being violated by the administration of what was once the most powerful nation on earth. -Geoff -- "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." ~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers , 1931 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 23 18:30:53 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Apr 23 18:30:55 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E040223EA@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> Message-ID: <985961.26834.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> yea but it doesnt handle business invoices etc. KMyMoney is more of something for at-home personal finance. --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Ramon Hermida wrote: > From: Ramon Hermida > Subject: RE: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 10:08 AM > I heard good things about KMyMoney, but I have not tested it > myself. > > -RH > > -----Original Message----- > From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org > [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On > Behalf Of Alex Bartonek > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:01 PM > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, N. Turnage > wrote: > > > > I hate to admit it, but that's why I have gone > back to > > using a Mac for most of my work. I still believe in > open > > source, and I love Ubuntu (and apt-get and the snappy > feel > > of Linux), but I got tired of the lack of good stable > > software, and I needed to get work done. That said, if > Adobe > > ports the Creative Suite to Linux, I'll be the > first on > > board. > > > > I havent bailed on Linux. I get annoyed but I dont blame > linux for > others shortcomings. Not saying you are or anything like > that. I didnt > like the feel of GnuCash anyway. I left windows because of > crashing/having to reinstall. Havent had to reinstall > Linux ever, so > I'm hesitant to leave it lest the newfound OS I choose > has the same > issues. :- / > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From leivajose at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 19:56:24 2009 From: leivajose at gmail.com (Jose Leiva) Date: Thu Apr 23 19:56:27 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] quickbooks type software In-Reply-To: <985961.26834.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <59F8E9364A4B184EA893B98611CFC88E040223EA@XMAIL.ds.utpa.edu> <985961.26834.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <495ed5030904231756w748ccefbmd59ea826ab8709d8@mail.gmail.com> I have also tried to find some type of software that will handle invoicing and around 10 employees for one of my friends but I was unable to find anything that would work. This is what I found. This programs look promising might give it a try over the weekend *SQL-Ledger* http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20080927164042884/SQL-Ledger.html *ERP5* http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20080927164149657/ERP5.html and the whole summary "21 of the best free linux financial software" http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20080927164237918/Financial.html -Jose L From mswearingen at hctc.coop Thu Apr 23 11:16:29 2009 From: mswearingen at hctc.coop (Mike Swearingen) Date: Thu Apr 23 20:27:17 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Cyber-Attack on an American City In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure how early his report really was, considering the cut occurred on April 9 and we are now approaching the end of the month. -Mike On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Don Wright wrote: > Early report from Bruce Perens about the California worker who > crippled > a big chunk of a city with a few cuts. > > http://perens.com/works/articles/MorganHill/ > > Which leads to the question: How vulnerable is _your_ company, > hospital, > or city? --Don > > -- > I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tourist tongues on > fire over tacos at Mi Tierra. I watched HS bands glitter in the dark > near the Hemisfair Gate. All these moments will be lost in time, > like beer at NIOSA. Time to party. > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 23 23:25:34 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Apr 23 23:25:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Cyber-Attack on an American City In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Early as in having limited information in some areas. To me parts of the text read like a developing news story - one written progressively as the story emerged. Additional details may be available after reports are prepared and carefully leaked, perhaps years hence, but not enough to change the basic lesson of his observations. In this case it isn't necessary for something like a full NTSB airplane crash investigation. It's enough to know that some systems that should not have failed did so, and that certain critical infrastructure was a very soft target. --Don On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:16:29 -0500, Mike Swearingen wrote: >Not sure how early his report really was, considering the cut occurred >on April 9 and we are now approaching the end of the month. > > -Mike -- I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tourist tongues on fire over tacos at Mi Tierra. I watched HS bands glitter in the dark near the Hemisfair Gate. All these moments will be lost in time, like beer at NIOSA. Time to party. From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Fri Apr 24 07:47:13 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Fri Apr 24 07:47:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Cyber-Attack on an American City In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F1B4D1.3070701@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Mike Swearingen wrote: > Not sure how early his report really was, considering the cut occurred > on April 9 and we are now approaching the end of the month. The fact that it DID happen, which proves we are too dependent on technology and not self sufficient enough, isn't enough? You'd rather argue about when the report was written? Is -that- what's important? > > -Mike > > On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Don Wright wrote: > >> Early report from Bruce Perens about the California worker who crippled >> a big chunk of a city with a few cuts. >> >> http://perens.com/works/articles/MorganHill/ >> >> Which leads to the question: How vulnerable is _your_ company, hospital, >> or city? --Don >> >> > From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 13:28:44 2009 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:28:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft working with Linux? Message-ID: <49F204DC.60601@gmail.com> Ok, folks -- one from ZDNet to make your day. Wonder how long it'll last, and how genuine Obama's threat might be... http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3863 Cheers; Ed From hc at lookcee.com Fri Apr 24 13:41:33 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:41:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft working with Linux? In-Reply-To: <49F204DC.60601@gmail.com> References: <49F204DC.60601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F207DD.4060606@lookcee.com> ed wrote: > Ok, folks -- one from ZDNet to make your day. Wonder how long it'll > last, and how genuine Obama's threat might be... > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3863 > > Cheers; > Ed Consider the date. Dewey, Cheatham & Howe indeed. April 1st, 2009 Microsoft signs Linux compatibility deal From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 13:53:16 2009 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Fri Apr 24 13:53:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Microsoft working with Linux? In-Reply-To: <49F204DC.60601@gmail.com> References: <49F204DC.60601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0904241153n6a93aa4di800c88318beb273d@mail.gmail.com> A little late for April Fools ;) On 4/24/09, ed wrote: > Ok, folks -- one from ZDNet to make your day. Wonder how long it'll > last, and how genuine Obama's threat might be... > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3863 > > Cheers; > Ed > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" - Alan Kay From dkowis at shlrm.org Fri Apr 24 14:44:38 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (dkowis) Date: Fri Apr 24 14:44:41 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] A Cyber-Attack on an American City In-Reply-To: <49F1B4D1.3070701@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <49F1B4D1.3070701@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:47:13 -0500, Geoff wrote: > Mike Swearingen wrote: >> Not sure how early his report really was, considering the cut occurred >> on April 9 and we are now approaching the end of the month. > > The fact that it DID happen, which proves we are too dependent on > technology and not self sufficient enough, isn't enough? You'd rather > argue about when the report was written? Is -that- what's important? > To each their own. But I like my modern conveniences, and I would like to keep them functioning well. "The services that you depend on, all critical web applications and email, should be based at your site." That is key. If you want stuff you can rely on, then you need to take responsibility to ensure that it does stay up. Most companies don't do that. I wouldn't say that technology is the Achilles heel, its how that technology was managed. If that hospitals network had been truly internally self-sufficient (as I believe it should be) then the bored interns couldn't have searched the intertubes, that's it. The key issue here is preparedness. If you use high-tech stuff, and are prepared in such a way to keep it alive in certain emergencies, then you're good. David From siffland at nerdshack.com Sat Apr 25 15:36:05 2009 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Sat Apr 25 15:36:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Address Book Message-ID: <3ae131d00904251336l55f6894dyda4989871cd0248e@mail.gmail.com> Anyone know of a free open source address book for linux. In the vein of Address book for MAC OSX or Addza for windows. I am looking for something lightweight and independant of a mail client (import and export CVS for backup). Sean From trunty at linuxismybff.com Sat Apr 25 16:09:37 2009 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Sat Apr 25 16:09:42 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Address Book In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00904251336l55f6894dyda4989871cd0248e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00904251336l55f6894dyda4989871cd0248e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Some that I know of are provided below. Not sure about import function though. ---- contacts dlume rubrica kaddressbook kontact ---- On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Sean I wrote: > Anyone know of a free open source address book for linux. In the vein > of Address book for MAC OSX or Addza for windows. I am looking for > something lightweight and independant of a mail client (import and > export CVS for backup). > > Sean > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Sat Apr 25 20:32:18 2009 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Sat Apr 25 20:32:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] free printer Message-ID: <20090426013218.KDC2F.316505.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> Is anyone in need of a printer? I have a HP OfficeJet 710 that works the last time I used it, but it needs new ink cartridges. Print, scan, fax, copy, and as I recall, the whole thing is Linux compat. I just don't have a need for this one anymore, since I got a bigger one that connects strait to my network ( I think the 710 can be as well with an external network adapter) Please contact offlist to reduce traffic. rsuberg (at) satx dot rr dot (and you know the rest) Richard From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 00:29:47 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Apr 26 00:29:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mail problems Message-ID: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> I've got a problem and am looking for advice. I set up a new server this week and have a problem sending mail to gmail. The server is a generic postfix server compiled from source. The only change I made to the main.cf file was to add myhostname = anduin2.linuxfromscratch.org I've set up dns properly (I think): $ dig anduin2.linuxfromscratch.org MX ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;anduin2.linuxfromscratch.org. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: anduin2.linuxfromscratch.org. 86400 IN MX 20 anduin2.linuxfromscratch.org. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: linuxfromscratch.org. 86400 IN NS ns2.linuxfromscratch.org. linuxfromscratch.org. 86400 IN NS ns.linuxfromscratch.org. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: anduin2.linuxfromscratch.org. 86400 IN A 66.135.59.49 ======== Reverse name lookup works: $ dig -x 66.135.59.49 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;49.59.135.66.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 49.59.135.66.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR anduin2.linuxfromscratch.org. ======== I also added an SPF record to the DNS: anduin2 IN A 66.135.59.49 IN MX 20 anduin2 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ~all" I can send to the new server via my ISP MTA and from the server send to some accounts. However, when I send to my account at gmail, I get: 421-4.7.0 [66.135.59.49] Our system has detected an unusual amount of 421-4.7.0 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 421-4.7.0 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been temporarily 421-4.7.0 blocked. Please visit http://www.google.com/mail/help/bulk_mail.html 421 4.7.0 to review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. b39si1072478rvf.58 (in reply to end of DATA command)) bruce.dubbs@gmail.com I've checked for the ip address being blacklisted at http://www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx and the ip address seems to be OK. I'm obviously not a bulk email sender. I have only tried a few (less than 5) messages. Does anyone have any advice on how I can get gmail to accept my messages? Thanks, -- Bruce From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 26 00:49:33 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Apr 26 00:49:51 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mail problems In-Reply-To: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> References: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:29:47 -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >66.135.59.49 Trying that one at Spamcop.net says it's not in their list, but then offers an additional test from senderbase. http://www.senderbase.org/senderbase_queries/detailip?search_string=66.135.59.49 Looks like the IP used to be doral-tv.com, and it's part of Server Beach. Slow DNS propagation, or maybe Gmail is blocking the whole beach for a few too many jellyfish? -- Enterprise software fault, warp core dumped. From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 26 01:32:15 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Apr 26 01:32:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mail problems In-Reply-To: References: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7rt7v4dap4iip71o93b8pchodu8m3c706p@4ax.com> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:49:33 -0500, Don Wright wrote: >maybe Gmail is blocking the whole beach >for a few too many jellyfish? In support of that guess I offer a Google groups search: "server beach" group:*abuse* Sort the result by date, and see this: > I've not noticed any reaction when $DAYJOB sends abuse reports to > Server Beach. In fact, we block the /24 now when (not IF) there's a > problem. -- I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tourist tongues on fire over tacos at Mi Tierra. I watched HS bands glitter in the dark near the Hemisfair Gate. All these moments will be lost in time, like beer at NIOSA. Time to party. From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 10:22:48 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Apr 26 10:22:49 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna Message-ID: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> I finally got on the DTV bandwagon this weekend. I received my HD receiver and hooked up my Radio Shack powered rabbit ears. I scanned and got 3 channels. Not too bad I thought since even on just straight rabbit ears I've never received a good signal. I began experiementing with various antenna projects I found on the 'Net and settled on the project using 8 wire coat hangers in a criss cross fashion. Now I get 10 channels and an occasional blip losing a channel. This morning I discovered something interesting, when I get signal degradation (as monitored by the Antenna meter in the HD receiver), my 11g wireless network has a momentary loss as well. I don't see how the wireless network could have the same problem when its using a completely different radio spectrum, 2.4Ghz for wireless and 600-700mhz for the DTV antenna. I found this while researching the problem: "DTV operates on various frequencies that have been previously allocated to VHF and UHF broadcasts. The highest channel allocated to DTV is Channel 51, which has a center frequency of 693.25 MHz. A WiFi router, on the other hand, operates on a frequency range centering on 2.4 GHz, which is much higher. They are not close enough to interfere with each other, although in some circumstances overmodulation on the DTV channel might spill over some extraneous harmonics into the 2.4 GHz range. As such, you might be more concerned about your DTV antenna amplifier interfering with your WiFi network than the other way around." Can somebody explain in laymans terms "extraneous harmonics"? I'm just curious because I'm NOT using an amplified antenna so I shouldn't be affected by this problem. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From luis at luisgarza.com Sun Apr 26 11:13:46 2009 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Sun Apr 26 11:13:48 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mail problems In-Reply-To: <7rt7v4dap4iip71o93b8pchodu8m3c706p@4ax.com> References: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> <7rt7v4dap4iip71o93b8pchodu8m3c706p@4ax.com> Message-ID: <233604.79368.qm@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I love the Blade Runner reference. ________________________________ From: Don Wright To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:32:15 AM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Mail problems .... cut ..... -- I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tourist tongues on fire over tacos at Mi Tierra. I watched HS bands glitter in the dark near the Hemisfair Gate. All these moments will be lost in time, like beer at NIOSA. Time to party. -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun Apr 26 11:18:43 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Apr 26 11:18:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mail problems In-Reply-To: <233604.79368.qm@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> <7rt7v4dap4iip71o93b8pchodu8m3c706p@4ax.com> <233604.79368.qm@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F48963.5000708@suddenlink.net> Yeah, there's a reason I choose to hang around with geeks! Luis Garza wrote: > I love the Blade Runner reference. > -- I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tourist tongues on fire over tacos at Mi Tierra. I watched HS bands glitter in the dark near the Hemisfair Gate. All these moments will be lost in time, like beer at NIOSA. Time to party. -- From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Apr 26 12:07:22 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Apr 26 12:07:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] free printer In-Reply-To: <20090426013218.KDC2F.316505.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> References: <20090426013218.KDC2F.316505.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> Message-ID: <49F494CA.2050408@w5omr.shacknet.nu> rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > Is anyone in need of a printer? I have a HP OfficeJet 710 that works the last time I used it, but it needs new ink cartridges. Print, scan, fax, copy, and as I recall, the whole thing is Linux compat. I just don't have a need for this one anymore, since I got a bigger one that connects strait to my network ( I think the 710 can be as well with an external network adapter) > I'm in need of a printer, but my needs are different. I'm looking for a tractor-feed, impact form printer. Not one of those wide carriage things, but a small form printer. With tractor sides on the form, the forms are 9.5" wide. A wide carriage is ok, if I -must- but space is a concern. I'm driving for a 'hot-shot' company here in Houston and want to connect the printer to my 12-to-120v DC-to-AC voltage inverter, to print forms 'on-the-fly' from my laptop. Anyone have one of these old dinosaurs laying around? -Geoff From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sun Apr 26 12:30:09 2009 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sun Apr 26 12:30:14 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F49A21.6030708@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Jeremy Mann wrote: > Can somebody explain in laymans terms "extraneous harmonics"? I'm just > curious because I'm NOT using an amplified antenna so I shouldn't be > affected by this problem. >From a technical standpoint (and calling on my RF background from my close associations from my fathers Broadcast engineering career, and our ham radio careers) "extraneous harmonics" directly relates to "inferior product design". I have noticed that my old Microwave oven, when operated in the kitchen and I used my laptop with wifi on the kitchen table, would kill my wifi connection. I suspect a leaky microwave cabinet. That doesn't excuse the manufacturer of the wifi device in the laptop of not better shielding and preventing frequencies other than 2.4 ~ 5GHz from getting into the wifi signal path. The fact that your 'blips' are affecting both your wifi -and- your DTV signals suggest that something -very local- is interfering with the entire RF spectrum, or at least the part above about 400MHz. Your neighbors microwave, a nearby 800MHz police transmitter perhaps, microwave relay points from downtown studios to a near-by radio broadcast station (KRDY aka Radio Disney comes to mind) or the broadcast station itself might not be spectrally pure. It could even possibly be a CB or Ham Radio transmitter that's close enough to effect. Bottom line is, there's all kinds of RF signals out there and the people who build things like powered tv antennas (with an RF pre-amp built-in) or wifi antennas in laptop or wireless routers, don't necessarily pay close enough attention in the design to use their devices -only- on the frequencies they were designed for. As for Microwaves, Wikipedia coughs up this description, which is germane to the discussion: ==================================== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven "A microwave oven works by passing non-ionizing microwave radiation, usually at a frequency of *2.45 GHz* (a wavelength of 12.24 centimetres (4.82 in), through the food. Microwave radiation is between common radio and infrared frequencies. Water, fat, and other substances in the food absorb energy from the microwaves in a process called dielectric heating. Many molecules (such as those of water) are electric dipoles, meaning that they have a positive charge at one end and a negative charge at the other, and therefore rotate as they try to align themselves with the alternating electric field of the microwaves. This molecular movement creates heat as the rotating molecules hit other molecules and put them into motion. Microwave heating is more efficient on liquid water than on fats and sugars (which have a smaller molecular dipole moment), and also more efficient than on frozen water (where the molecules are not free to rotate).[5] Microwave heating is sometimes explained as a resonance of water molecules, but this is incorrect: such resonance only occurs in water vapor at much higher frequencies, at about 20 GHz. Moreover, large industrial/commercial microwave ovens operating at the common large industrial-oven microwave heating frequency of 915 MHz (0.915 GHz), also heat water and food perfectly well. ===================================== This is not to say that someone operating a Microwave oven is your culprit, but just one of -many- possibilities. Even still, if you had a 'sniffer' of RF that was able to receive signals at/around Microwave frequencies and could prove a correlation between your wifi going down, and your TV acting screwy, it would probably you -and- your neighbor to help find the offending device (if that's the cause) and have them replace the faulty/defective/leaky microwave oven and possibly save them from some form of cancer from being exposed so closely to RF radiation at those frequencies. 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 Baja Spring, TX) From satlug at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 26 12:35:04 2009 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Sun Apr 26 12:35:06 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mail problems In-Reply-To: <49F48963.5000708@suddenlink.net> References: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> <7rt7v4dap4iip71o93b8pchodu8m3c706p@4ax.com> <233604.79368.qm@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49F48963.5000708@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <8d49v49jl2k7f3e5dadqbee4tnglkkbfof@4ax.com> Huh? That's from ParadeRunner, starring Hemphill Ford, based on "Do Fiesta Queens Dream of Electric Shoes?" by Ira Attebury. It's a cult classic around these parts. --Don Dennis Myhand wrote: >Yeah, there's a reason I choose to hang around with geeks! > >Luis Garza wrote: >> I love the Blade Runner reference. >> >-- >I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Tourist tongues on >fire over tacos at Mi Tierra. I watched HS bands glitter in the dark >near the Hemisfair Gate. All these moments will be lost in time, >like beer at NIOSA. Time to party. >-- -- We're headed for a Quantum Collapse! From jdchoate at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 13:08:03 2009 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sun Apr 26 13:08:18 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] FYI for those with an Asus Aspire One netbook Message-ID: <200904261308.04559.jdchoate@gmail.com> I recently picked up an Acer Aspire One netbook with 1G RAM and 160G hdd. I put Mandriva 2009.1 on it and it is quite awesome. But my card readers were not working. After some googling, I found the following. If you have an Aspire One netbook and the card readers are not functioning, do the following. # as root: echo "pciehp" | tee -a /etc/modules gedit /etc/modprobe.d/sdhci # contents of /etc/modprobe.d/sdhci: options pciehp pciehp_force=1 options sdhci debug_quirks=1 # reboot and run: modprobe pciehp # both card readers should now function # if the card readers don't work after a reboot, # as root, add the following as a new line in /etc/modprobe.preload : pciehp From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 14:37:17 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Sun Apr 26 14:37:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Best way to rob a bank. Message-ID: <981442.93661.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I came across this horrific video on PBS which I think most of us in the USA should see. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html best regards, Enrique btw... I would vote yes for a satlug-etc list... -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Apr 26 14:50:00 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Apr 26 14:50:08 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F4BAE8.1040900@shlrm.org> Jeremy Mann wrote: > I finally got on the DTV bandwagon this weekend. I received my HD > receiver and hooked up my Radio Shack powered rabbit ears. I scanned > and got 3 channels. Not too bad I thought since even on just straight > rabbit ears I've never received a good signal. I began experiementing > with various antenna projects I found on the 'Net and settled on the > project using 8 wire coat hangers in a criss cross fashion. Now I get > 10 channels and an occasional blip losing a channel. How about the link for that plan? We get poor DTV reception out here, and that sounds lots cheaper than something I could buy. I could put that puppy in the attic, and amplify the signal throughout my cable network (i got the house prewired) Thanks, David From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 15:21:33 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Apr 26 15:21:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <49F4BAE8.1040900@shlrm.org> References: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> <49F4BAE8.1040900@shlrm.org> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904261321r55a6aae8y7ab63eee8c6ada44@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Kowis wrote: > Jeremy Mann wrote: >> >> I finally got on the DTV bandwagon this weekend. I received my HD >> receiver and hooked up my Radio Shack powered rabbit ears. I scanned >> and got 3 channels. Not too bad I thought since even on just straight >> rabbit ears I've never received a good signal. I began experiementing >> with various antenna projects I found on the 'Net and settled on the >> project using 8 wire coat hangers in a criss cross fashion. Now I get >> 10 channels and an occasional blip losing a channel. > > How about the link for that plan? > > We get poor DTV reception out here, and that sounds lots cheaper than > something I could buy. I could put that puppy in the attic, and amplify the > signal throughout my cable network (i got the house prewired) Luckily I had all the parts. About the only thing you'll have to buy is a 75 ohm balun. Here's a pic. Its pretty ghetto but works surprisingly well: http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/dtv-antenna.jpg -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 15:33:51 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Apr 26 15:33:53 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904261321r55a6aae8y7ab63eee8c6ada44@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> <49F4BAE8.1040900@shlrm.org> <79ec289f0904261321r55a6aae8y7ab63eee8c6ada44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F4C52F.8080701@gmail.com> Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Kowis wrote: >> Jeremy Mann wrote: >>> I finally got on the DTV bandwagon this weekend. I received my HD >>> receiver and hooked up my Radio Shack powered rabbit ears. I scanned >>> and got 3 channels. Not too bad I thought since even on just straight >>> rabbit ears I've never received a good signal. I began experiementing >>> with various antenna projects I found on the 'Net and settled on the >>> project using 8 wire coat hangers in a criss cross fashion. Now I get >>> 10 channels and an occasional blip losing a channel. >> How about the link for that plan? >> >> We get poor DTV reception out here, and that sounds lots cheaper than >> something I could buy. I could put that puppy in the attic, and amplify the >> signal throughout my cable network (i got the house prewired) > > Luckily I had all the parts. About the only thing you'll have to buy > is a 75 ohm balun. Here's a pic. Its pretty ghetto but works > surprisingly well: > > http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/dtv-antenna.jpg That's cool. Do you use it a ground level or is it on an upper floor? -- Bruce From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 15:54:18 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Apr 26 15:54:20 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <49F4C52F.8080701@gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> <49F4BAE8.1040900@shlrm.org> <79ec289f0904261321r55a6aae8y7ab63eee8c6ada44@mail.gmail.com> <49F4C52F.8080701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904261354y7a4e1672m206df378f60ab534@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Luckily I had all the parts. About the only thing you'll have to buy >> is a 75 ohm balun. Here's a pic. Its pretty ghetto but works >> surprisingly well: >> >> http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/dtv-antenna.jpg > > That's cool. ?Do you use it a ground level or is it on an upper floor? Right now its just propped up against the wall on top of my subwoofer. When the Talladega race is over I'm going to hook up my tone meter and try to see if I can't improve the antenna signal. I do get a picture perfect 10 channels, however I still haven't been able to lock onto WOAI or KLRN. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 16:27:07 2009 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Apr 26 16:27:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Mail problems In-Reply-To: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> References: <49F3F14B.1090208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F4D1AB.3030300@gmail.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I've got a problem and am looking for advice. I set up a new server > this week and have a problem sending mail to gmail. ... Well I got the mail working, but I really don't like the fix. I got a 2nd IP address and am using that to send mail. That works. The issue I have is that there appears no way to contact anyone at gmail to clear up the real problem of rejecting legitimate mail. -- Bruce From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 17:14:54 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sun Apr 26 17:14:59 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] dtv antenna Message-ID: <7e4994a70904261514i2755c2e4m70a6f978a8e7084@mail.gmail.com> so cool Jeremy. I want to try this too if I can figure out how to do it..I can see the picture somewhat but don't understand how to make it..plus eyesight is too bad to see that well! I have an antenna, but I don't get PBS either, in fact it's omnidirectional and I still have to move it around to get the different channels from time to time. I don't get 35 at all I guess because the transmitter is in Medina Lake. Hope to eventually get PBS when the switch happens tho becase I miss it. cheryl Ingenius idea btw! Going to pass it around...thank you! From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sun Apr 26 17:26:38 2009 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sun Apr 26 17:26:40 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904261321r55a6aae8y7ab63eee8c6ada44@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> <49F4BAE8.1040900@shlrm.org> <79ec289f0904261321r55a6aae8y7ab63eee8c6ada44@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F4DF9E.8040100@suddenlink.net> Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM, David Kowis wrote: >> Jeremy Mann wrote: >>> I finally got on the DTV bandwagon this weekend. I received my HD >>> receiver and hooked up my Radio Shack powered rabbit ears. I scanned >>> and got 3 channels. Not too bad I thought since even on just straight >>> rabbit ears I've never received a good signal. I began experiementing >>> with various antenna projects I found on the 'Net and settled on the >>> project using 8 wire coat hangers in a criss cross fashion. Now I get >>> 10 channels and an occasional blip losing a channel. >> How about the link for that plan? >> >> We get poor DTV reception out here, and that sounds lots cheaper than >> something I could buy. I could put that puppy in the attic, and amplify the >> signal throughout my cable network (i got the house prewired) > > Luckily I had all the parts. About the only thing you'll have to buy > is a 75 ohm balun. Here's a pic. Its pretty ghetto but works > surprisingly well: > > http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/dtv-antenna.jpg > > What are the dimensions to the bow ties and how far apart are they spaced? From jeremymann at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 17:37:30 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Sun Apr 26 17:37:32 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <49F4DF9E.8040100@suddenlink.net> References: <79ec289f0904260822y7f862e13na61e1b0571b3e1fb@mail.gmail.com> <49F4BAE8.1040900@shlrm.org> <79ec289f0904261321r55a6aae8y7ab63eee8c6ada44@mail.gmail.com> <49F4DF9E.8040100@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904261537p67150d20u89f1c2d05ee01d58@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: >> Luckily I had all the parts. About the only thing you'll have to buy >> is a 75 ohm balun. Here's a pic. Its pretty ghetto but works >> surprisingly well: >> >> http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/dtv-antenna.jpg >> >> > > What are the dimensions to the bow ties and how far apart are they spaced? 2" inches from the top of the board is the first one, then every 5 3/4". I really didn't measure the spacing left to right (I just eye balled it), but my Stanley tape measure says 2". -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From afcasta at satx.rr.com Sun Apr 26 19:27:43 2009 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Sun Apr 26 19:27:47 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] FYI for those with an Asus Aspire One netbook In-Reply-To: <200904261308.04559.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <200904261308.04559.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1240792063.3594.9.camel@picotriffid> I grabbed the netbook image of the latest ubuntu and am using it on an HP mini, similar hardware to your Aspire One, and the card reader's working great. I suspect having a 2.6.28 kernel might be why this particular distro works better than tinyme or macpup on this beast. I'm just running it off an 8GB thumb drive at this point, but plan to make it a permanent install later on. The image file is a lot smaller, but when you boot from that image, you need at least an 8gb thumb drive for a permanent install. Al Castanoli On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 13:08 -0500, John D Choate wrote: > I recently picked up an Acer Aspire One netbook with 1G RAM and 160G hdd. I put Mandriva 2009.1 on it and it is quite awesome. But my card readers were not working. After some googling, I found the following. > > If you have an Aspire One netbook and the card readers are not functioning, do the following. > > # as root: > echo "pciehp" | tee -a /etc/modules > gedit /etc/modprobe.d/sdhci > > # contents of /etc/modprobe.d/sdhci: > options pciehp pciehp_force=1 > options sdhci debug_quirks=1 > > # reboot and run: > modprobe pciehp > > # both card readers should now function > > # if the card readers don't work after a reboot, > # as root, add the following as a new line in /etc/modprobe.preload : > pciehp From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 20:34:33 2009 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Sun Apr 26 20:34:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna Message-ID: <216869.44063.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Dennis Myhand wrote: > What are the dimensions to the bow ties and how far apart are they spaced? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/762088/coat_hanger_hdtv_antenna_better_than_store_bought_amazing/ From dkowis at shlrm.org Sun Apr 26 21:53:02 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Sun Apr 26 21:53:05 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <216869.44063.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <216869.44063.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F51E0E.6040007@shlrm.org> That clown again.... wrote: > > > > --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Dennis Myhand wrote: > >> What are the dimensions to the bow ties and how far apart are they spaced? > > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/762088/coat_hanger_hdtv_antenna_better_than_store_bought_amazing/ > So when are we having a "Get together, have beer and pizza, and build a crapload of antennas" night? From art.hall at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 27 08:46:34 2009 From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall) Date: Mon Apr 27 08:46:35 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904261354y7a4e1672m206df378f60ab534@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <246899.10120.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeremy, The key for reception is the switchover date of June 12.? The FCC (bless their pointy heads) along with Congress restricted the power for most, if not all, analog broadcasting signals until then.? KLRN (channel 9) is only able to use about a tenth of their signal strength until then.? KENS (channel 5) is using channel 41's tower? and is only able to use a small portion of their normal signal power.? Channel 4 may be the same. On the magic date, all of us cable holdouts who are using analog sets with converter boxes and antennas (antennae?) will have to rescan for all channels, since the signal strengths and some broadcast tower locations will have changed.? All this because Congress was more worried about the less than two percent of the voting public who had not prepared themselves by February 17th than they were about the 98 percent who had.? I guess I don't understand the math of risking the ire of the majority to capture two percent of the voting population. Incidentally, I get 20 or more stations on each of two analog sets using rabbit ears and RCA converter boxes.? One potential glitch to watch out for: be sure your converter box is a pass-through type.? My first two would convert digital signals, but blocked analog signals.? Wal-Mart was knid enough to trade me even when they got the pass-through type in stock. Happy viewing. Art --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Jeremy Mann wrote: From: Jeremy Mann Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 3:54 PM On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Luckily I had all the parts. About the only thing you'll have to buy >> is a 75 ohm balun. Here's a pic. Its pretty ghetto but works >> surprisingly well: >> >> http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/dtv-antenna.jpg > > That's cool. ?Do you use it a ground level or is it on an upper floor? Right now its just propped up against the wall on top of my subwoofer. When the Talladega race is over I'm going to hook up my tone meter and try to see if I can't improve the antenna signal. I do get a picture perfect 10 channels, however I still haven't been able to lock onto WOAI or KLRN. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Apr 27 09:25:27 2009 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Mon Apr 27 09:25:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <246899.10120.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200904271425.n3REPRW6030848@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > From: Jeremy Mann > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 3:54 PM > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bruce Dubbs > wrote: > > >> Luckily I had all the parts. About the only thing you'll have to > buy > >> is a 75 ohm balun. Here's a pic. Its pretty ghetto but works > >> surprisingly well: > >> > >> http://mann.uthscsa.edu/images/dtv-antenna.jpg > > > > That's cool. =A0Do you use it a ground level or is it on an upper > floor? > > Right now its just propped up against the wall on top of my subwoofer. > When the Talladega race is over I'm going to hook up my tone meter and > try to see if I can't improve the antenna signal. I do get a picture > perfect 10 channels, however I still haven't been able to lock onto > WOAI or KLRN. > I have my converter box hooked to a 15 year old analog roof antenna and get 26 DTV channels on all of our sets. KLRN comes in with 3 sub channels. I also get a bunch of spanish language channels, and several religious channels. KLRN sometimes doesn't come in very strong, depending on weather. -b. From dkowis at shlrm.org Mon Apr 27 17:46:55 2009 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Mon Apr 27 17:47:04 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Built my own DTV antenna In-Reply-To: <216869.44063.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <216869.44063.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F635DF.7090906@shlrm.org> That clown again.... wrote: > > > > --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Dennis Myhand wrote: > >> What are the dimensions to the bow ties and how far apart are they spaced? > > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/762088/coat_hanger_hdtv_antenna_better_than_store_bought_amazing/ > > > This showed up on the xcssa list: http://www.tvantennaplans.com/node/1 Slightly more detailed plans for the same thing. I'll likely be building one soon :) Then the plan is to hang it somewhere in the attic, so I don't have to have it hiding downstairs behind the TV. David From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 20:46:58 2009 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Apr 29 20:47:00 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] power supply replacement Message-ID: <919983.98540.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> my kid's computer got busted so I used mine to keep hers running, now I my linux playground is dead, I am looking for a cheap power supply to replace it. here are the details: HiPro HP-M1854F3P IBM FRU# 24P6883 IBM PN# 24P6882 I'd like to see if anyone has a spare/idle one collecting dust and is willing let it go for some cash. thnx esv. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 21:21:21 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Apr 29 21:21:22 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] CrossoverOffice and Quickbooks Message-ID: <240977.71530.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> This isnt for me but for a "customer/friend" of mine. I do side work upgrading/repairing computers etc. I have this one friend who has 4 PC's at her business that inventories her lumber sales. Every once in a while I have to reinstall Windows for various reasons (some unexplainable). She's on Win 2k Pro now. Its been pretty quiet for some time now. Well she's going to have to upgrade to XP because something about Quickbooks not being supported on Win 2k. Well I pondered this idea for a little bit but never put it into effect about 1-2 years ago. I was thinking of converting her to a Linux shop. She does use Quickbooks heavily though and I'm hesitant to recommend something new since her setup "just works". Anyone tried running Quickbooks (latest or very close to it) under whatever distro and Crossover ? -Alex From hc at lookcee.com Wed Apr 29 23:04:16 2009 From: hc at lookcee.com (Herb Cee) Date: Wed Apr 29 23:04:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] power supply replacement In-Reply-To: <919983.98540.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <919983.98540.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F92340.20804@lookcee.com> Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > my kid's computer got busted so I used mine to keep hers running, now I my linux playground is dead, I am looking for a cheap power supply to replace it. > > here are the details: > HiPro HP-M1854F3P > IBM FRU# 24P6883 > IBM PN# 24P6882 > > I'd like to see if anyone has a spare/idle one collecting dust and is willing let it go for some cash. > I went here http://justpowersupplies.com/hipro-hp-m1854f3P-power-supply.htm and looks like simple small form factor standard unit with the old 20pin single power connector. I have the larger size 20 pin P/s but dunno if i have the small one or not, I will look in the shed tomorrow to see. What is the watts rating on yours or your daughters maybe one will work just for cost of UPS I live 90mi N of Houston Bedias. but Ups was here today, lol herb From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Apr 30 01:34:09 2009 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Apr 30 01:38:46 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] power supply replacement In-Reply-To: <919983.98540.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <919983.98540.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49F94661.1080205@futuretechsolutions.com> I have a similar power supply, though the one I have is rated at 150W rather than the 185W on your original. It was an HP replacement power supply that never got installed. If you want to give it a shot let me know off list and we can arrange for you to pick it up. No charge unless you want to spring for coffee. Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > > my kid's computer got busted so I used mine to keep hers running, now I my linux playground is dead, I am looking for a cheap power supply to replace it. > > here are the details: > HiPro HP-M1854F3P > IBM FRU# 24P6883 > IBM PN# 24P6882 > > I'd like to see if anyone has a spare/idle one collecting dust and is willing let it go for some cash. > > > thnx > esv. > -------------------------------------- > > Support the troops, bring them home. > > http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 > > > From leivajose at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 03:27:11 2009 From: leivajose at gmail.com (Jose Leiva) Date: Thu Apr 30 03:27:13 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Linux Sucks! And how to fix it video Message-ID: <495ed5030904300127j546c163dm884721d6c6009c23@mail.gmail.com> Video from Linux Fest NorthWest that I saw on digg.com The speaker points out a lot of issues that I have come across while trying to use linux. http://lunduke.com/?p=429 From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Apr 30 11:15:03 2009 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Thu Apr 30 11:16:11 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] gtkmm and boost Message-ID: <49F9CE87.9090707@cis.sac.accd.edu> A friend is working on a cross-platform project. He is using gtkmm and boost threads library. On the Micro$oft platform (uck) he is having a problem trying to figure out how to do non-blocking i/o. Since I am fortunate enough to work in a *nix only world I have no idea how to help him. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Steve From othniel at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 11:35:52 2009 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Thu Apr 30 11:35:58 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] gtkmm and boost In-Reply-To: <49F9CE87.9090707@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <49F9CE87.9090707@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <24b598f60904300935u2b40d303vd7bf21ddbe186045@mail.gmail.com> solution: Use Blocking I/O on the Microsoft platform and document the behavior iin the user's manual. As usual, the end-user then has a choice whether to use a version of the software built for an advanced multi-user OS or for an unreliable multi-tasking OS. Do not cripple the software's capabilities by avoiding platform dependent code. Go ahead and take advantage of the advanced features of the advanced platform and don't worry about the performance of the other platform so much. Othniel On 4/30/09, skolars wrote: > A friend is working on a cross-platform project. He is using gtkmm and > boost threads library. On the Micro$oft platform (uck) he is having a > problem trying to figure out how to do non-blocking i/o. Since I am > fortunate enough to work in a *nix only world I have no idea how to help > him. Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance, > Steve > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 12:01:07 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Apr 30 12:01:09 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How to remove a swelled APC battery? Message-ID: <79ec289f0904301001o2bb52560vb84b682633f5c063@mail.gmail.com> This morning I came in after the wind storm to find 2 of our UPSs powered down and unable to turn on again. One of them, an APC BackupPro 1400, I did manage to wiggle the battery out. The 2nd UPS, a BP 1400, has a really swelled battery. I can't even wiggle it from the case. Is this UPS toast because the battery will not come out? What about puncturing the outer shell with a screwdriver and draining some fluid. Would that help? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From president at satlug.org Thu Apr 30 12:05:14 2009 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Thu Apr 30 12:05:15 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] Loss to Membership Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0904301005v30a25d97ta75a9484e16657e9@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I regret having to inform SATLUG that one of our members, Shawn Bender, died Sunday as a result of a Staff Infection contracted after recent surgery. Shawn was working on a presentation on Gaming under Linux and planning to present it at the upcoming OpenSource Fest. Shawn was always ready to help other members with suggestions or hands-on help. He will be missed. There will be a remembrance service on Sunday afternoon. If you wish to attend, please contact me directly OFF-LIST for details & directions. Please remember his family in your prayers. Jim Wells From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 12:07:26 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Apr 30 12:07:29 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] CrossoverOffice and Quickbooks In-Reply-To: <240977.71530.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <240977.71530.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904301007l4204ff2erf071e7e4c6a808f4@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > This isnt for me but for a "customer/friend" of mine. I do side work upgrading/repairing computers etc. ?I have this one friend who has 4 PC's at her business that inventories her lumber sales. ?Every once in a while I have to reinstall Windows for various reasons (some unexplainable). ?She's on Win 2k Pro now. ?Its been pretty quiet for some time now. ?Well she's going to have to upgrade to XP because something about Quickbooks not being supported on Win 2k. > > Well I pondered this idea for a little bit but never put it into effect about 1-2 years ago. ?I was thinking of converting her to a Linux shop. ?She does use Quickbooks heavily though and I'm hesitant to recommend something new since her setup "just works". ?Anyone tried running Quickbooks (latest or very close to it) under whatever distro and Crossover ? Alex, have you considering using Linux as the OS and VirtualBox running XP? If you run the VB image in full screen mode and you couldn't tell a difference. Plus this way, backups are much easier, just make copes of the disk image file ;) -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us Thu Apr 30 12:50:14 2009 From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst) Date: Thu Apr 30 12:50:39 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How to remove a swelled APC battery? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904301001o2bb52560vb84b682633f5c063@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904301001o2bb52560vb84b682633f5c063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F99E85.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> Massive overcharge! I have heard of refrigerating the UPS unit to reduce the swell. Puncturing the battery to release the acid and render the unit trash ... unless you are REALLY, REALLY careful. >>> Jeremy Mann 04/30/2009 12:01 >>> This morning I came in after the wind storm to find 2 of our UPSs powered down and unable to turn on again. One of them, an APC BackupPro 1400, I did manage to wiggle the battery out. The 2nd UPS, a BP 1400, has a really swelled battery. I can't even wiggle it from the case. Is this UPS toast because the battery will not come out? What about puncturing the outer shell with a screwdriver and draining some fluid. Would that help? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From mkr777 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 12:51:29 2009 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Thu Apr 30 12:51:34 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How to remove a swelled APC battery? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904301001o2bb52560vb84b682633f5c063@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904301001o2bb52560vb84b682633f5c063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you call the mfr and ask suggestions? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > This morning I came in after the wind storm to find 2 of our UPSs > powered down and unable to turn on again. One of them, an APC > BackupPro 1400, I did manage to wiggle the battery out. The 2nd UPS, a > BP 1400, has a really swelled battery. I can't even wiggle it from the > case. Is this UPS toast because the battery will not come out? What > about puncturing the outer shell with a screwdriver and draining some > fluid. Would that help? > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 12:51:45 2009 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Thu Apr 30 12:51:50 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How to remove a swelled APC battery? In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904301001o2bb52560vb84b682633f5c063@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904301001o2bb52560vb84b682633f5c063@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470904301051y1c6980f9g93cc5775149c729a@mail.gmail.com> Your best bet is to start popping rivets in the casing of the UPS to get the battery out. The plastic is molded and it won't change shape. Besides, generally poking batteries with sharp objects isn't recommended. :P I had a 2200 that did the same thing to me a few months ago. A half-dozen drilled out rivets later and ~$60 in new batteries, I was up and running. FIRESTORM_v1 On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Jeremy Mann wrote: > This morning I came in after the wind storm to find 2 of our UPSs > powered down and unable to turn on again. One of them, an APC > BackupPro 1400, I did manage to wiggle the battery out. The 2nd UPS, a > BP 1400, has a really swelled battery. I can't even wiggle it from the > case. Is this UPS toast because the battery will not come out? What > about puncturing the outer shell with a screwdriver and draining some > fluid. Would that help? > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 13:12:10 2009 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Apr 30 13:12:12 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] How to remove a swelled APC battery? In-Reply-To: <869de8470904301051y1c6980f9g93cc5775149c729a@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0904301001o2bb52560vb84b682633f5c063@mail.gmail.com> <869de8470904301051y1c6980f9g93cc5775149c729a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0904301112x747108fbl9c20ed18ec453dc4@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Your best bet is to start popping rivets in the casing of the UPS to > get the battery out. ?The plastic is molded and it won't change shape. > Besides, generally poking batteries with sharp objects isn't > recommended. :P > > I had a 2200 that did the same thing to me a few months ago. ?A > half-dozen drilled out rivets later and ~$60 in new batteries, I was > up and running. I did start doing that, but I don't think its a good way to do it. I'll just replace it with a power strip for now. Those nodes aren't that important and luckily non of our main servers were on that UPS. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Apr 30 19:41:17 2009 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Apr 30 19:41:19 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] CrossoverOffice and Quickbooks In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0904301007l4204ff2erf071e7e4c6a808f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <871317.23025.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Jeremy Mann wrote: > Alex, have you considering using Linux as the OS and > VirtualBox > running XP? If you run the VB image in full screen mode and > you > couldn't tell a difference. Plus this way, backups are > much easier, > just make copes of the disk image file ;) Hey Jeremy.. Well if I did that then it would still be reliant on Windows. I'm trying to eliminate that kludge. I dont mind putting XP on all of her systems but I'm trying to just recommend Linux to shops/people that are not gamers that rely on me for computer work. -Alex From jtiner at satx.rr.com Thu Apr 30 19:59:20 2009 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Thu Apr 30 19:59:23 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] CrossoverOffice and Quickbooks In-Reply-To: <871317.23025.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <871317.23025.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1241139560.9733.1.camel@james-desktop> I was able to get some older versions of quickbooks to work under crossover but not any of the new ones. what versions are you looking to make work? On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 17:41 -0700, Alex Bartonek wrote: > > > > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Jeremy Mann wrote: > > Alex, have you considering using Linux as the OS and > > VirtualBox > > running XP? If you run the VB image in full screen mode and > > you > > couldn't tell a difference. Plus this way, backups are > > much easier, > > just make copes of the disk image file ;) > > Hey Jeremy.. > > Well if I did that then it would still be reliant on Windows. I'm trying to eliminate that kludge. I dont mind putting XP on all of her systems but I'm trying to just recommend Linux to shops/people that are not gamers that rely on me for computer work. > > -Alex > > > From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 21:00:32 2009 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Apr 30 21:00:36 2009 Subject: [SATLUG] modem module HP OfficeJet G85 printer? Message-ID: <7e4994a70904301900t2564328y56b00110a71b7aac@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Do any of you happen to have this module that you no longer need? Thank you very much! cheryl