From art.hall at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  1 10:31:23 2008
From: art.hall at sbcglobal.net (Arthur Hall)
Date: Wed Oct  1 10:31:25 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Xandros Home Page
Message-ID: <83195.65025.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just finished installing Xandros 3.02 in an older PC.? Everything
works great after a few false starts on the install.? Need some
help with elementary customizing, though.? When I call up Mozilla
Firefox, it shows the Xandros home page and I have to go to bookmarks
to call in my ATT Yahoo home page.? My question is how do I reset
the computer so that it brings up ATT instead of the Xandros home
page?? Thanks in advance.

Art
From scs at worldlinkisp.com  Wed Oct  1 11:32:02 2008
From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com)
Date: Wed Oct  1 11:32:07 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Xandros Home Page
Message-ID: <86691c916c334ed7ad2a8bdeaf81cc02.scs@worldlinkisp.com>


>------- Original Message -------
>My question is how do I reset
the computer so that it brings up ATT instead of the Xandros home
page?  Thanks in advance.
----------------------------
In Firefox goto   < Tools > < Options > <Startup>  

Lou



From wn5pmr at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 13:21:17 2008
From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike)
Date: Wed Oct  1 13:21:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Xandros Home Page
In-Reply-To: <83195.65025.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83195.65025.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48E3BF9D.2020802@gmail.com>

Arthur Hall wrote:
> Just finished installing Xandros 3.02 in an older PC.  Everything
> works great after a few false starts on the install.  Need some
> help with elementary customizing, though.  When I call up Mozilla
> Firefox, it shows the Xandros home page and I have to go to bookmarks
> to call in my ATT Yahoo home page.  My question is how do I reset
> the computer so that it brings up ATT instead of the Xandros home
> page?  Thanks in advance.
>
> Art
>   
Yippie, an easy one I can answer. From FF click on

Tools

Options

Main

put in your desired start page in the box under Startup

Mike WN5PMR
From dacrummie at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 13:40:30 2008
From: dacrummie at gmail.com (Dale Crummie)
Date: Wed Oct  1 13:40:36 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Xandros Home Page
In-Reply-To: <48E3BF9D.2020802@gmail.com>
References: <83195.65025.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48E3BF9D.2020802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e048ba360810011140g59889953s8a02680cfcaff392@mail.gmail.com>

That's how you do it in Windows, for linux go to Edit > Preferences, then
under the Main icon type in the homepage URL of you choice.

>
>>
>>
> Yippie, an easy one I can answer. From FF click on
>
> Tools
>
> Options
>
> Main
>
> put in your desired start page in the box under Startup
>
> Mike WN5PMR
>
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From j at jvpappas.net  Wed Oct  1 13:49:12 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Wed Oct  1 13:49:13 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] was now help with raid setup on linuxmce box now
	linuxmce success
In-Reply-To: <1222655557.28633.53.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809221558m1fc211a6p57fb773f27845d34@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222172069.6518.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809230746l9c0d5d1q63faa53f900d5107@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222655557.28633.53.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450810011149x49f3132fl2b21cd6efda57e55@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 21:32, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:
<<SNIP>>

> while this did work and linuxmce installed just fine I found the overall
> performance to be lacking.  In particular when I tried to transfer over
> 150 gig's of media from a samba share in my home office it took 4 1/2
> hours.  (Mind you that this was not a wireless transfer but ethernet.)


I assume the array was done building when you were testing, otherwise the R5
would have been artificially slow due to the contruction I/O and XOR
calculations.  R1 will almost always be faster than R5, since R5 requires
CPU XOR calculations and double I/O, where R1 only requires double I/O.

If you are going to be transferring a lot of video (Especialy HD), I
recommend going to GigE.  A 5 port 1000Mb switch runs <$50 and a GigE Nic is
<$30 (If not already built-in).  Transfers run about 1.5GB/Min for me (FTP
-> 4x SW RAID5), so your 150GB would have taken about ~15 Min.

<<SNIP>>

I finally settled on doing the following:
> SDx 5 gig RAID1 swap
> SDx 495 gig RAID1 LVM
> SD 320 gig hd RAID1 LVM
>

I don't see a Boot partition, and you cant boot off of LVM, so I must be
missing something.  I hope that your 2x LVM md devices are in different
VG's, otherwise you are either concatinating or striping across the md's.
That is fine, as in your case, you would have to sustain an md (2 drives,
same array, granted).  If you are going to do that, I recommend striping
across the 2 R1's.  You will have to specify a `-i 2` during the LV
creation, so that the LV is striped across the 2 PVs.  That would be even
faster, since the streams will be alternated over both R1 arrays, rather
than on one or the other.


> In the end this gave me 815 gig of / upon which to install LinuxMCE.
> Performance wise the same transfer took a little over three hours.  Yeah
> I lost space (over 100 gig) but I think that I gained a pretty
> substantial performace boost.
>

That is the RAID tradeoff, Speed or Space.  I also hope that the arrays were
done building when you tested, as the performance hit of the rebuild would
again artificially hinder performance (Not as much as a R5 rebuild, but
still noticeable).


> I also found a new use for my nokia770, Its now the best damm remote
> control that I have ever had the pleasure of channel surfing with.


I bet.  That sounds cool.  You could also transcode and store video on the
770, so that you can watch other stuff on the "remote" too!


> To make it more challenging two of the machines will be laptops (I foresee
> problems with wifi) and the third will be run on on a custom built useing
> virtualbox.


I have not had any problems with video over wifi (once I found the cleanest
freq's and added some gain with better antennae).  I do have 2 different
WLANs on 2 different (non-neighboring) freq's in the house, one is dedicated
to my 3 laptop computers, the other is for the 3 video clients.  A, G, or N
should do fine.  B is FAR too slow for any type of higher-quality video.

wish me luck


Luck favors the prepared, so you will be fine.

HTH,
jp
From j at jvpappas.net  Wed Oct  1 13:52:54 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Wed Oct  1 13:52:56 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Xandros Home Page
In-Reply-To: <e048ba360810011140g59889953s8a02680cfcaff392@mail.gmail.com>
References: <83195.65025.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48E3BF9D.2020802@gmail.com>
	<e048ba360810011140g59889953s8a02680cfcaff392@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450810011152s47eff89dwfbf3fe799c9b054f@mail.gmail.com>

Or just drag the icon to the left of the URL to the Home icon  ;)

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 13:40, Dale Crummie <dacrummie@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's how you do it in Windows, for linux go to Edit > Preferences, then
> under the Main icon type in the homepage URL of you choice.
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> > Yippie, an easy one I can answer. From FF click on
> >
> > Tools
> >
> > Options
> >
> > Main
> >
> > put in your desired start page in the box under Startup
> >
> > Mike WN5PMR
>
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 13:54:05 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Wed Oct  1 13:54:07 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Xandros Home Page
In-Reply-To: <83195.65025.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <83195.65025.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48E3C74D.7050801@gmail.com>

Arthur Hall wrote:
> Just finished installing Xandros 3.02 in an older PC.  Everything
> works great after a few false starts on the install.  Need some
> help with elementary customizing, though.  When I call up Mozilla
> Firefox, it shows the Xandros home page and I have to go to bookmarks
> to call in my ATT Yahoo home page.  My question is how do I reset
> the computer so that it brings up ATT instead of the Xandros home
> page?  Thanks in advance.
>
> Art
>   
Actually, its not your computer you need to reset, but your browser. 
Load Firefox, then go to EDIT>PREFERENCES>MAIN, and you can reset your
homepage URL in there.

Cheers;
Ed

From wg5o at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  1 15:29:54 2008
From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens)
Date: Wed Oct  1 15:29:57 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48E2F20D.6080608@gmail.com>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
	<48DC598D.10902@gmail.com>	<48E2E8D2.5050807@sbcglobal.net>
	<48E2F20D.6080608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E3DDC2.2000007@sbcglobal.net>

ed wrote:
> Actually, you need to find the driver that Windoze uses (mine uses
> bcmwl5), point your system to it, or even better, move a copy of it to a
> special directory, and wrap that using ndiswrapper.  THEN, the system
> should be able to find it using the restricted drivers applet. 
> Otherwise, look at the MAN pages for ndiswrapper and follow their clues...
>   
> I was thrilled by this concept, because it worked so well for my 
> wireless.  I found the windows driver w/o trouble.  But, then I went 
> to the manual:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/NdisWrapper_The_Ultimate_Guide/

and it says that ndiswrapper is specifically for wireless drivers.  Are 
you sure it is safe to try?  I would hate to mess up my wireless, which 
is working great.   Also, I don't understand "... restricted drivers 
applet."  System>Administration>Hardware Drivers apparently provides a 
route to implement restricted drivers, but my list is empty, and my 
ndiswrapper installed driver doesn't appear there.

Thanks,

Andy Pickens
From toddwbucy at grandecom.net  Wed Oct  1 16:13:14 2008
From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (toddwbucy@grandecom.net)
Date: Wed Oct  1 16:13:16 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] was now help with raid setup on linuxmce box
	now	linuxmce success
In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450810011149x49f3132fl2b21cd6efda57e55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809220849h69e267cbx262bb496d2589e6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222098728.7574.15.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809221558m1fc211a6p57fb773f27845d34@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222172069.6518.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809230746l9c0d5d1q63faa53f900d5107@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222655557.28633.53.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450810011149x49f3132fl2b21cd6efda57e55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1222895594.48e3e7eab3934@webmail.grandecom.net>

>
> <<SNIP>>
>
> I finally settled on doing the following:
> > SDx 5 gig RAID1 swap
> > SDx 495 gig RAID1 LVM
> > SD 320 gig hd RAID1 LVM
> >
>
> I don't see a Boot partition, and you cant boot off of LVM, so I must be
> missing something.

yeah I forgot to include that my boot partition is on a 256mb usb stick

> That is the RAID tradeoff, Speed or Space.  I also hope that the arrays were
> done building when you tested, as the performance hit of the rebuild would
> again artificially hinder performance (Not as much as a R5 rebuild, but
> still noticeable).
I was not aware that the RAIDs setups (both the 5 and the 1) would still need to
be built after by initial install.  That said both attempts at transferring the
media files were done 4 to 6 hours after the initial install so I am not sure
if this adversely affected my test.  Tahnks for the tip I will remember that
for next time.

> I bet.  That sounds cool.  You could also transcode and store video on the
> 770, so that you can watch other stuff on the "remote" too!
Theoretically this should be true.  however I have found that video playback on
the Nokia 770 leaves a lot to be desired.

> I have not had any problems with video over wifi (once I found the cleanest
> freq's and added some gain with better antennae).  I do have 2 different
> WLANs on 2 different (non-neighboring) freq's in the house, one is dedicated
> to my 3 laptop computers, the other is for the 3 video clients.  A, G, or N
> should do fine.  B is FAR too slow for any type of higher-quality video.I have
had great experience watching tv over wifi with mythtv.  I was more referring to
getting the wireless driver to work under kubuntu 7.10.  Last night I was able
to get Linuxmce working on my Toshiba A105 and it did take some massaging with
the wifi driver but overall I am greatly pleased with the results.
I have not as of yet had the chance to try virtualizing linuxmce but that's next
on the list.  will prob tackle that this weekend.  Also until I get a new case
for my lenovo y510 it will have to wait.

again thanks for the tips
Todd

From j at jvpappas.net  Wed Oct  1 16:58:36 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Wed Oct  1 16:58:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] was now help with raid setup on linuxmce box now
	linuxmce success
In-Reply-To: <1222895594.48e3e7eab3934@webmail.grandecom.net>
References: <1222098191.7574.12.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<79ec289f0809221017ma4e1314j3343d97fe5b2d65a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222106126.7574.22.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<1222107107.7574.34.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809221558m1fc211a6p57fb773f27845d34@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222172069.6518.5.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450809230746l9c0d5d1q63faa53f900d5107@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222655557.28633.53.camel@toddwbucy-laptop>
	<4c0ec4450810011149x49f3132fl2b21cd6efda57e55@mail.gmail.com>
	<1222895594.48e3e7eab3934@webmail.grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450810011458r6a004975n9013be42af0164dd@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 16:13, <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:

> >
> > <<SNIP>>
>
> > I don't see a Boot partition, and you cant boot off of LVM, so I must be
> > missing something.
>
> yeah I forgot to include that my boot partition is on a 256mb usb stick
>

Cool.  You could mirror the USB stick via rsnapshot or similar to keep a
backup.


> > That is the RAID tradeoff, Speed or Space.  I also hope that the arrays
> were
> > done building when you tested, as the performance hit of the rebuild
> would
> > again artificially hinder performance (Not as much as a R5 rebuild, but
> > still noticeable).
> I was not aware that the RAIDs setups (both the 5 and the 1) would still
> need to
> be built after by initial install.  That said both attempts at transferring
> the
> media files were done 4 to 6 hours after the initial install so I am not
> sure
> if this adversely affected my test.  Tahnks for the tip I will remember
> that
> for next time.
>

It could have easily been rebuilding, it takes a while on larg drives.   To
check the array and rebuild status: `cat /proc/mdstat`  it will show
progress and status.

Good luck!
jp
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 17:18:12 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Wed Oct  1 17:18:13 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement Printer Needed
Message-ID: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com>

Hey Folks...

My 5+ year old Lexmark z35 ink-jet printer finally gave-up the ghost and
died - won't even work under the dreaded Windoze...  Nice funeral
planned for service well done, but now, I'm looking for suggestions.

What's a fair-priced, low-end, USB printer (perhaps an all-in-one? tho I
do have a working scanner...) that works well under Debian-type Linux? 

I'm familiar enough with CUPS, HPOJ and even the CLI - hadda install the
z35 via command line...

Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

Cheers;
Ed
 


From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 17:23:43 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Wed Oct  1 17:23:44 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48E3DDC2.2000007@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>	<48DC598D.10902@gmail.com>	<48E2E8D2.5050807@sbcglobal.net>	<48E2F20D.6080608@gmail.com>
	<48E3DDC2.2000007@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48E3F86F.9010403@gmail.com>

Andrew Pickens wrote:
> ed wrote:
>> Actually, you need to find the driver that Windoze uses (mine uses
>> bcmwl5), point your system to it, or even better, move a copy of it to a
>> special directory, and wrap that using ndiswrapper.  THEN, the system
>> should be able to find it using the restricted drivers applet.
>> Otherwise, look at the MAN pages for ndiswrapper and follow their
>> clues...
>>   I was thrilled by this concept, because it worked so well for my
>> wireless.  I found the windows driver w/o trouble.  But, then I went
>> to the manual:
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/NdisWrapper_The_Ultimate_Guide/
>
>
> and it says that ndiswrapper is specifically for wireless drivers. 
> Are you sure it is safe to try?  I would hate to mess up my wireless,
> which is working great.   Also, I don't understand "... restricted
> drivers applet."  System>Administration>Hardware Drivers apparently
> provides a route to implement restricted drivers, but my list is
> empty, and my ndiswrapper installed driver doesn't appear there.
Oops...  Somehow, I missed that point.  Are we talking laptop or tower? 
Is your NIC part of the board, or a separate card?

Cheers;
Ed


From esanchezvela at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 18:16:46 2008
From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela)
Date: Wed Oct  1 18:16:49 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Subnetting Tutor
In-Reply-To: <84212.70724.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <378008.12323.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I am not getting ready for anything, maybe I should, but understand subnets fairly well and there are pretty sharp & experienced people in the list, just ask.

best regards,
esv.


http://www.minnesotaindependent.com/8949/letter-from-alaska-palin-a-maverick-please


--- On Tue, 9/30/08, F. Corona <frank05_82@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: F. Corona <frank05_82@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [SATLUG] Subnetting Tutor
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 11:47 PM
> Hello Group,
> 
>     I would like to know if any one is getting ready for
> their CCNA or CCENT?
> I need some help with subnetting and i could also use a
> study group or study partner.
> If anyone is interested please let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank Corona.
> 
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From henry.pugsley at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:44:55 2008
From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley)
Date: Wed Oct  1 18:44:57 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Subnetting Tutor
In-Reply-To: <84212.70724.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <382170.61806.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<84212.70724.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1003aeaa0810011644j3c697b6bue596e9c2feb7f669@mail.gmail.com>

If you take the CCNA combo exam there is less subnetting and more
troubleshoot/config. The exams for the two parts are 150 questions in
90 minutes, or you can do the combo with 50-60 questions in 90
minutes. You will need to subnet but there won't be 50 questions on
just that.

That binary math game that comes with the books (also avail on
cisco.com) is actually pretty good for practicing your speed. Its also
a good example of why engineers shouldn't write games ..

I just took my CCNA in June and it wasn't that bad, though I have a
few years of networking under my belt already ;)

-Henry





On 9/30/08, F. Corona <frank05_82@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Group,
>
>     I would like to know if any one is getting ready for their CCNA or
> CCENT?
> I need some help with subnetting and i could also use a study group or study
> partner.
> If anyone is interested please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank Corona.
>
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From othniel at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:46:21 2008
From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen)
Date: Wed Oct  1 18:46:27 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <24b598f60810011646m7e1a7e67h50d3adb2d5815dfe@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew:

In viewing this thread, most responders were concerned about your monitor.
I think that you seem to have a decent monitor.  At least one that
communicates back to the video card what its' name is and what its'
capabilities are.

WHAT KIND OF VIDEO CARD DO YOU HAVE?

Find out.  If you really have to use the VESA mode on your card, then you
are limited to VESA resolutions.

Its time to replace at least your video card with something newer -- don't
you think?  I'm not saying to go out and buy a new nvidia card for $150 but
you can pick up a descent video card for $5-$10 at Goodwill or at a computer
show.

How much is it worth for you to solve this issue permanently?
Othniel Graichen

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Andrew Pickens <wg5o@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> You may recall that I got a lot of help, about the end of August re a
> Ubuntu 8.04 resolution problem.  In summary, I can't get resolutions above
> 800x600.  I've continued on the problem, because I'm determined, and, if it
> can be fixed, I'll have an acceptable Windows substitute.  Here is what I
> think I've learned.
>
> 1.  The vga=xxx in /grub.boot.grub.menu.lst changes the resolution up to
> the Ubuntu log-in screen.  It seems to have no effect in Umbuntu, proper.
>
> 2.  When I change xorg.conf, the system always comes up in 800x480, which
> won't allow me to change resolution because "apply" is off the screen.  I
> found that 'xrandr' will list the available resolutions, and I can get to
> the max. available with'xrandr -s 800x600.'
>
> 3. 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' and similar always generate
> an empty skeleton xorg.conf such as I started with.  The Ubuntu recovery
> mode does the same thing.
>
> 4.  There is a command, which I've lost track of, that brings up the blue
> question screens similar to what you get on an original installation.
>  Except for asking if you want to use the framebuffer option, it is entirely
> about the keyboard.
>
> 5.  When I monkey with xorg.conf and restart, I usually get a 'Low
> Graphics' screen, "Your screen & graphics card could not be detected
> correctly ..."  If I select "Configure," in "Screen," I can select my
> monitor, Dell M780.  In "Graphics Card," I accept "Generic VESA-compliant
> video card."  The system then produces a new xorg.conf file with the monitor
> characteristics filled in and a whole, big range of modes and mode lines.
>  Unfortunately, at restart X tends to break ... I get a screen full of brown
> lines.  Reset, recovery mode, and "Try to repair X" fixes it, but takes me
> back to the empty xorg.conf file.  I can get back by copying and pasting.
>  Here is my latest effort, in which I have eliminated the highest modes, and
> filled in the name of the monitor, Dell M780:
>
>
> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
> #
> # This file was generated by failsafeDexconf, using
> # values from the debconf database and some overrides to use vesa mode.
> #
> # You should use dexconf or another such tool for creating a "real"
> xorg.conf
> # For example:
> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier    "Generic Keyboard"
>   Driver        "kbd"
>   Option        "XkbRules"    "xorg"
>   Option        "XkbModel"    "pc105
>   Option        "XkbLayout"    "us"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier    "Configured Mouse"
>   Driver        "mouse"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
>   Identifier    "Dell M780"
>   Boardname    "vesa"
>   Busid        "PCI:1:0:0"
>   Driver        "vesa"
>   Screen    0
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>   Identifier    "Dell M780"
>   Vendorname    "Dell"
>   Modelname    "Dell M780"
>   Horizsync    30.0-85.0
>   Vertrefresh    50.0-160.0
>  modeline  "640x480@60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync
>  modeline  "640x480@72" 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -vsync -hsync
>  modeline  "640x480@75" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -vsync -hsync
>  modeline  "640x480@85" 36.0 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -vsync -hsync
>  modeline  "800x600@56" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "800x600@72" 50.0 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "800x600@75" 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "800x600@85" 56.3 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "800x600@60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "832x624@75" 57.284 832 864 928 1152 624 625 628 667 -vsync
> -hsync
>  modeline  "1024x768@85" 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "1024x768@75" 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "1024x768@70" 75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -vsync
> -hsync
>  modeline  "1024x768@60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync
> -hsync
>  modeline  "1024x768@43" 44.9 1024 1032 1208 1264 768 768 776 817 +hsync
> interlace +vsync
>  modeline  "1152x864@75" 108.0 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "1280x1024@75" 135.0 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066
> +hsync +vsync
>  modeline  "1280x960@60" 102.1 1280 1360 1496 1712 960 961 964 994 -hsync
> +vsync
>  modeline  "1280x1024@60" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066
> +hsync +vsync
>  modeline  "1280x960@75" 129.86 1280 1368 1504 1728 960 961 964 1002
> -hsync +vsync
> # modeline  "1400x1050@60" 122.61 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1051 1054 1087
> -hsync +vsync
> # modeline  "1400x1050@75" 155.85 1400 1496 1648 1896 1050 1051 1054 1096
> -hsync +vsync
> # modeline  "1600x1200@65" 175.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250
> +hsync +vsync
> # modeline  "1600x1200@60" 162.0 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250
> +hsync +vsync
> # modeline  "1792x1344@60" 204.8 1792 1920 2120 2448 1344 1345 1348 1394
> -hsync +vsync
>   Gamma    1.0
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
>   Identifier    "Dell 780"
>   Device        "Dell 780"
>   Monitor        "Configured Monitor"
>   Defaultdepth    24
>   SubSection "Display"
>       Depth    24
>       Virtual    1792    1344
>       Modes        "800x600@72"    "800x600@75"    "800x600@56"
> "800x600@85"    "640x480@85"
>   "800x600@60"    "640x480@75"    "832x624@75"    "640x480@72"
> "1024x768@85"          "640x480@60"    "1024x768@75"    "1024x768@70"
> "1024x768@60"    "1024x768@43"            "1152x864@75"
> "1280x1024@75"   "1280x960@60"    "1280x1024@60"    "1280x960@75"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
>   Identifier    "Default Layout"
>  screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0
> EndSection
> Section "Module"
>   Load        "glx"
>   Load        "GLcore"
>   Load        "v4l"
> EndSection
> Section "ServerFlags"
> EndSection
>
> This wasn't an improvement, except it didn't break X.
>
> Please excuse the long-winded e-mail, but I've been struggling and it is
> time to go for help.
>
> Andy Pickens
>
>
>
>
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From othniel at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:51:25 2008
From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen)
Date: Wed Oct  1 18:51:27 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement Printer Needed
In-Reply-To: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com>
References: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24b598f60810011651m27b59a5dx2ca3e28a5223bfe1@mail.gmail.com>

One suggestion
Go To www.linuxprinting.org

There is a comprehensive list of printers and not just if they are supported
by
Linux, but how well they are supported.

Bottom line, do not buy (or accept for free) any printer rated as a
Paperweight.

Because that is all you will be able to use it for under Linux.
Othniel Graichen

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:18 PM, ed <horned0wl93@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Folks...
>
> My 5+ year old Lexmark z35 ink-jet printer finally gave-up the ghost and
> died - won't even work under the dreaded Windoze...  Nice funeral
> planned for service well done, but now, I'm looking for suggestions.
>
> What's a fair-priced, low-end, USB printer (perhaps an all-in-one? tho I
> do have a working scanner...) that works well under Debian-type Linux?
>
> I'm familiar enough with CUPS, HPOJ and even the CLI - hadda install the
> z35 via command line...
>
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.
>
> Cheers;
> Ed
>
>
>
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From jm at allensonthe.net  Wed Oct  1 19:06:59 2008
From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen)
Date: Wed Oct  1 19:07:02 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Subnetting Tutor
In-Reply-To: <84212.70724.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <84212.70724.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1222906019.10230.2.camel@sentry.pci.local>

On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 20:47 -0700, F. Corona wrote:
> Hello Group,
> 
>     I would like to know if any one is getting ready for their CCNA or CCENT?
> I need some help with subnetting and i could also use a study group or study partner.
> If anyone is interested please let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank Corona.
> 

I took my CCNA last year and had a handful of questions on subnetting
(wish I had more on that and less on WAN stuff, but.....)

I just recently found the cheat sheets over at packetlife that are
really awesome.  Obviously you can't take that into the test, but they
are great for reference.

http://packetlife.net/cheatsheets/

Good luck on the test! :-)

JM

From henry.pugsley at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 19:52:54 2008
From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley)
Date: Wed Oct  1 19:52:56 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Subnetting Tutor
In-Reply-To: <84212.70724.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <382170.61806.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<84212.70724.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1003aeaa0810011752s57211892i9bc5f6ed1b0ec337@mail.gmail.com>

Oh yeah .. testking.com

Some of the guys I work with swear by it for practice exams. They are
oddly similar to the real thing *cough*






On 9/30/08, F. Corona <frank05_82@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Group,
>
>     I would like to know if any one is getting ready for their CCNA or
> CCENT?
> I need some help with subnetting and i could also use a study group or study
> partner.
> If anyone is interested please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank Corona.
>
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From wg5o at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  1 20:05:09 2008
From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens)
Date: Wed Oct  1 20:05:12 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48E3F86F.9010403@gmail.com>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>	<48DC598D.10902@gmail.com>	<48E2E8D2.5050807@sbcglobal.net>	<48E2F20D.6080608@gmail.com>	<48E3DDC2.2000007@sbcglobal.net>
	<48E3F86F.9010403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E41E45.7030904@sbcglobal.net>

ed wrote:
>> and it says that ndiswrapper is specifically for wireless drivers. 
>> Are you sure it is safe to try?  I would hate to mess up my wireless,
>> which is working great.   Also, I don't understand "... restricted
>> drivers applet."  System>Administration>Hardware Drivers apparently
>> provides a route to implement restricted drivers, but my list is
>> empty, and my ndiswrapper installed driver doesn't appear there.
>>     
> Oops...  Somehow, I missed that point.  Are we talking laptop or tower?  Is your NIC part of the board, or a separate card?
>   
The computer is a tower, a generic job assembled locally.  I have a 
wireless card in a PCI slot.  I had a bad time trying to get it to work, 
until I found the problem was 64-bit Ubuntu.  Someone suggested going to 
32-bit, I did and then ndiswrapper worked slick.

Andy Pickens

>
>   


From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 20:06:51 2008
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Wed Oct  1 20:06:53 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Ed, Printer
Message-ID: <7e4994a70810011806o718f1d57l5e86f25d281643c3@mail.gmail.com>

Check at the Goodwill Computer store on 410 to see what printers they have
and the prices.  My sister got a really good price on an HP there...

Goodwill Computer Store
4914 NW Loop 410
San Antonio, TX 78229
(210) 647-0071

Also, if you're military, check the Thrift store at Lackland AFB, Randolph
AFB or Ft. Sam Houston.  ...the Linux list of printers in the digest..the
website someone listed is very good and thorough...I'd take the website addy
with you and ask to look up any printer you find on their computer before
buying it..unless you have a laptop..then take it with you to check..or call
home and have someone check the printer on the website before you buy
it..cheryl

GOOD LUCK!!!




When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008;
Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From radvany at texas.net  Wed Oct  1 20:17:53 2008
From: radvany at texas.net (Martin Radvany)
Date: Wed Oct  1 20:18:42 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement Printer Needed
In-Reply-To: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com>
References: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810012017.54111.radvany@texas.net>

I have had good luck with HP all in one C4280 - worked out of the box using 
hplip rpm. Using opensuse 10.2 and 11.0. 

Looks like it is available for debian: http://packages.debian.org/sid/hplip

Good luck.



On Wednesday 01 October 2008 17:18:12 ed wrote:
> Hey Folks...
>
> My 5+ year old Lexmark z35 ink-jet printer finally gave-up the ghost and
> died - won't even work under the dreaded Windoze...  Nice funeral
> planned for service well done, but now, I'm looking for suggestions.
>
> What's a fair-priced, low-end, USB printer (perhaps an all-in-one? tho I
> do have a working scanner...) that works well under Debian-type Linux?
>
> I'm familiar enough with CUPS, HPOJ and even the CLI - hadda install the
> z35 via command line...
>
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.
>
> Cheers;
> Ed


From wg5o at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  1 20:25:02 2008
From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens)
Date: Wed Oct  1 20:25:05 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <24b598f60810011646m7e1a7e67h50d3adb2d5815dfe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>
	<24b598f60810011646m7e1a7e67h50d3adb2d5815dfe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E422EE.9020300@sbcglobal.net>



Othniel Graichen wrote:
> Andrew:
>
> In viewing this thread, most responders were concerned about your monitor.
> I think that you seem to have a decent monitor.  At least one that
> communicates back to the video card what its' name is and what its'
> capabilities are.
>
> WHAT KIND OF VIDEO CARD DO YOU HAVE?
>
> Find out.  If you really have to use the VESA mode on your card, then you
> are limited to VESA resolutions.
>
> Its time to replace at least your video card with something newer -- don't
> you think?  I'm not saying to go out and buy a new nvidia card for $150 but
> you can pick up a descent video card for $5-$10 at Goodwill or at a computer
> show.
>
> How much is it worth for you to solve this issue permanently?
> Othniel Graichen
>   
I'll spend a few bucks if it will solve the problem.  I bought a new 
wireless card when I couldn't get WiFi working, only to find out the 
problem was that ndiswrapper wouldn't install a 32-bit driver in  64-bit 
Ubuntu. 

My computer was built in March 2007.  The video card is VIA K8M890 
(Chrome 9) integrated video.  The monitor is Dell M780, an old CRT that 
works fine.

Andy Pickens

>   
>
From jerosejr at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 20:38:58 2008
From: jerosejr at gmail.com (Joe Rose)
Date: Wed Oct  1 20:39:04 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement Printer Needed
In-Reply-To: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com>
References: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6773fb430810011838y3e157488me00b648e83091490@mail.gmail.com>

I found a little shop called Graybeard's Treasures on eBay, actually in New
Braunfels, a couple of years ago.  He tests/refurbs mostly laser printers
from the DRMO, and sells them at really great prices.  I lost count how many
I have bought from him, and only a couple burped, and he replaced/fixed them
very quickly!

He is at:
http://myworld.ebay.com/greybeards_treasure&ssPageName=STRK:MEFSX:SELLERID

I cannot recommend him strongly enough.

Happy hunting!
Joe

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:18 PM, ed <horned0wl93@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Folks...
>
> My 5+ year old Lexmark z35 ink-jet printer finally gave-up the ghost and
> died - won't even work under the dreaded Windoze...  Nice funeral
> planned for service well done, but now, I'm looking for suggestions.
>
> What's a fair-priced, low-end, USB printer (perhaps an all-in-one? tho I
> do have a working scanner...) that works well under Debian-type Linux?
>
> I'm familiar enough with CUPS, HPOJ and even the CLI - hadda install the
> z35 via command line...
>
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.
>
> Cheers;
> Ed
>
>
>
> --
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From jdchoate at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 20:41:48 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Wed Oct  1 20:42:01 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Testing Eudora
Message-ID: <48E426DC.9090005@gmail.com>

I haven't used Eudora for email since about 1994 and I didn't know it 
was still around (open source, no less).
Here's the link for anyone else who wants to try it.
I'm using version 8.0.0b3, beta binary distribution.
http://www.eudora.com/
http://www.eudora.com/betas/
From jdchoate at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 20:44:01 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Wed Oct  1 20:44:04 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Testing Eudora
Message-ID: <48E42761.3080207@gmail.com>

I haven't used Eudora for email since about 1994 and I didn't know it 
was still around (open source, no less).
Here's the link for anyone else who wants to try it.
I'm using version
http://www.eudora.com/

From hharadon at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 23:16:04 2008
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Wed Oct  1 23:16:06 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Replacement Printer Needed
Message-ID: <e5fa90240810012116i3cde32feg92c4e157d3e0a5b@mail.gmail.com>

> Hey Folks...
>
> My 5+ year old Lexmark z35 ink-jet printer finally gave-up the ghost and
> died - won't even work under the dreaded Windoze...  Nice funeral
> planned for service well done, but now, I'm looking for suggestions.
>
> What's a fair-priced, low-end, USB printer (perhaps an all-in-one? tho I
> do have a working scanner...) that works well under Debian-type Linux?
>
> I'm familiar enough with CUPS, HPOJ and even the CLI - hadda install the
> z35 via command line...
>
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.
>
> Cheers;
> Ed

Hi Ed,  The Samsung ML2010 laser printer has worked out well for
me.  It has a pretty good Linux driver and is reliable.  It is USB 2.0,
and its toner cart. can be refilled.   With a rebate, it was $50.

Good luck,  Howard
- -
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA
From brad at shub-internet.org  Wed Oct  1 23:38:22 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Wed Oct  1 23:38:28 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Testing Eudora
In-Reply-To: <48E426DC.9090005@gmail.com>
References: <48E426DC.9090005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E4503E.6070609@shub-internet.org>

John D Choate wrote:

> I haven't used Eudora for email since about 1994 and I didn't know it 
> was still around (open source, no less).
> Here's the link for anyone else who wants to try it.
> I'm using version 8.0.0b3, beta binary distribution.

Eudora no longer exists.  What is now being called Eudora is actually 
Thunderbird with a few minor interface changes.  You can get the same 
interface changes by installing the Penelope extension on a standard 
Thunderbird configuration.

It is currently very highly buggy.


I've been a Eudora user since the 1.0 days, back when it was still an 
open source program supported by the University where the author was 
working.

I've tried Thunderbird.  It is buggy, but I don't have much choice. 
I've tried Thunderbird+Penelope, and it is highly buggy.  There's a 
reason why I went back to plain Thunderbird.

-- 
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From mkr777 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 00:17:08 2008
From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR)
Date: Thu Oct  2 00:17:11 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Ed, Printer
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70810011806o718f1d57l5e86f25d281643c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70810011806o718f1d57l5e86f25d281643c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca3eac740810012217h2ab9abb0vb2b8b7848f239482@mail.gmail.com>

Goodwill store moved to the back of Goodwill store at DeZavala & IH-10West.

On 10/1/08, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Check at the Goodwill Computer store on 410 to see what printers they have
> and the prices.  My sister got a really good price on an HP there...
>
> Goodwill Computer Store
> 4914 NW Loop 410
> San Antonio, TX 78229
> (210) 647-0071
>
> Also, if you're military, check the Thrift store at Lackland AFB, Randolph
> AFB or Ft. Sam Houston.  ...the Linux list of printers in the digest..the
> website someone listed is very good and thorough...I'd take the website
> addy
> with you and ask to look up any printer you find on their computer before
> buying it..unless you have a laptop..then take it with you to check..or
> call
> home and have someone check the printer on the website before you buy
> it..cheryl
>
> GOOD LUCK!!!
>
>
>
>
> When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
> unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
> angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008;
> Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
> --
> _______________________________________________
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From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 00:43:37 2008
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Thu Oct  2 00:43:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] printer for Ed
Message-ID: <7e4994a70810012243h754f7c8hdbf4028d75c16cc3@mail.gmail.com>

My older HP OfficeJet G85 all-in-one works like a champ in Hardy and also in
RedHat and Gutsy too!  I looked at the Linux printer website...HP seems very
well supported.  I know I've tried many all in ones including PSC's that all
worked great...
I'm also going to check out Graybeards Ebay site for future reference to see
what PV stuff her has!  Being in NB we should be able to pop over and pick
something up (I would think) rather than incur high shipping
charges...cheryl


-- 
When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008;
Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 05:04:11 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Thu Oct  2 05:04:11 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Subnetting Tutor
In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0810011644j3c697b6bue596e9c2feb7f669@mail.gmail.com>
References: <382170.61806.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<84212.70724.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<1003aeaa0810011644j3c697b6bue596e9c2feb7f669@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E49C9B.6040106@gmail.com>

Henry Pugsley wrote:
> If you take the CCNA combo exam there is less subnetting and more
> troubleshoot/config. The exams for the two parts are 150 questions in
> 90 minutes, or you can do the combo with 50-60 questions in 90
> minutes. You will need to subnet but there won't be 50 questions on
> just that.
>
> That binary math game that comes with the books (also avail ont
>   
Is there a link for this game?  Can't seem to find it...
> cisco.com) is actually pretty good for practicing your speed. Its also
> a good example of why engineers shouldn't write games ..
>
> I just took my CCNA in June and it wasn't that bad, though I have a
> few years of networking under my belt already ;)
>
> -Henry
>
>
>
> On 9/30/08, F. Corona <frank05_82@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hello Group,
>>
>>     I would like to know if any one is getting ready for their CCNA or
>> CCENT?
>> I need some help with subnetting and i could also use a study group or study
>> partner.
>> If anyone is interested please let me know.
>>
>>
>>     
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 05:31:25 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Thu Oct  2 05:31:26 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement Printer Needed
In-Reply-To: <200810012017.54111.radvany@texas.net>
References: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com> <200810012017.54111.radvany@texas.net>
Message-ID: <48E4A2FD.3090906@gmail.com>

Thanks so much for this pointer!!!  I've saved the page, and discovered
the hplip is available in the Synaptic Package Manager.  Looks like HP
for me then...

Cheers;
Ed
==============

Martin Radvany wrote:
> I have had good luck with HP all in one C4280 - worked out of the box using 
> hplip rpm. Using opensuse 10.2 and 11.0. 
>
> Looks like it is available for debian: http://packages.debian.org/sid/hplip
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 17:18:12 ed wrote:
>   
>> Hey Folks...
>>
>> My 5+ year old Lexmark z35 ink-jet printer finally gave-up the ghost and
>> died - won't even work under the dreaded Windoze...  Nice funeral
>> planned for service well done, but now, I'm looking for suggestions.
>>
>> What's a fair-priced, low-end, USB printer (perhaps an all-in-one? tho I
>> do have a working scanner...) that works well under Debian-type Linux?
>>
>> I'm familiar enough with CUPS, HPOJ and even the CLI - hadda install the
>> z35 via command line...
>>
>> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.
>>
>> Cheers;
>> Ed
>>     
>
>
>   

From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 05:34:07 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Thu Oct  2 05:34:06 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need more resolution choices
In-Reply-To: <48E422EE.9020300@sbcglobal.net>
References: <48DC02C4.9030503@sbcglobal.net>	<24b598f60810011646m7e1a7e67h50d3adb2d5815dfe@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E422EE.9020300@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <48E4A39F.4010106@gmail.com>

Andrew Pickens wrote:
>
>
> Othniel Graichen wrote:
>> Andrew:
>>
>> In viewing this thread, most responders were concerned about your
>> monitor.
>> I think that you seem to have a decent monitor.  At least one that
>> communicates back to the video card what its' name is and what its'
>> capabilities are.
>>
>> WHAT KIND OF VIDEO CARD DO YOU HAVE?
>>
>> Find out.  If you really have to use the VESA mode on your card, then
>> you
>> are limited to VESA resolutions.
>>
>> Its time to replace at least your video card with something newer --
>> don't
>> you think?  I'm not saying to go out and buy a new nvidia card for
>> $150 but
>> you can pick up a descent video card for $5-$10 at Goodwill or at a
>> computer
>> show.
>>
>> How much is it worth for you to solve this issue permanently?
>> Othniel Graichen
>>   
> I'll spend a few bucks if it will solve the problem.  I bought a new
> wireless card when I couldn't get WiFi working, only to find out the
> problem was that ndiswrapper wouldn't install a 32-bit driver in 
> 64-bit Ubuntu.
> My computer was built in March 2007.  The video card is VIA K8M890
> (Chrome 9) integrated video.  The monitor is Dell M780, an old CRT
> that works fine.
>
In that case, you might wanna try an ATI or an Nvidia card and use their
drivers.  I've had good luck with ATI cards using their restricted
drivers...

Cheers;
Ed


From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 05:39:34 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Thu Oct  2 05:39:33 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Replacement Printer Needed
In-Reply-To: <6773fb430810011838y3e157488me00b648e83091490@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E3F724.6020603@gmail.com>
	<6773fb430810011838y3e157488me00b648e83091490@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E4A4E6.9030002@gmail.com>

I looked at the page, but he doesn't have anything up at the moment. 
I'm probably better off with an ink jet though, as I wanna be able to
print color, and LJ color printers (even renovated) are kinda out of my
budget.  Thanks, tho...

Cheers;
Ed
=========

Joe Rose wrote:
> I found a little shop called Graybeard's Treasures on eBay, actually in New
> Braunfels, a couple of years ago.  He tests/refurbs mostly laser printers
> from the DRMO, and sells them at really great prices.  I lost count how many
> I have bought from him, and only a couple burped, and he replaced/fixed them
> very quickly!
>
> He is at:
> http://myworld.ebay.com/greybeards_treasure&ssPageName=STRK:MEFSX:SELLERID
>
> I cannot recommend him strongly enough.
>
> Happy hunting!
> Joe
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:18 PM, ed <horned0wl93@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hey Folks...
>>
>> My 5+ year old Lexmark z35 ink-jet printer finally gave-up the ghost and
>> died - won't even work under the dreaded Windoze...  Nice funeral
>> planned for service well done, but now, I'm looking for suggestions.
>>
>> What's a fair-priced, low-end, USB printer (perhaps an all-in-one? tho I
>> do have a working scanner...) that works well under Debian-type Linux?
>>
>> I'm familiar enough with CUPS, HPOJ and even the CLI - hadda install the
>> z35 via command line...
>>
>> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.
>>
>> Cheers;
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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From jdchoate at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 11:16:50 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Thu Oct  2 11:17:15 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Testing Eudora
In-Reply-To: <48E4503E.6070609@shub-internet.org>
References: <48E426DC.9090005@gmail.com> <48E4503E.6070609@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <48E4F3F2.8080505@gmail.com>

Brad Knowles wrote:
> John D Choate wrote:
>
>> I haven't used Eudora for email since about 1994 and I didn't know it 
>> was still around (open source, no less).
>> Here's the link for anyone else who wants to try it.
>> I'm using version 8.0.0b3, beta binary distribution.
>
> Eudora no longer exists.  What is now being called Eudora is actually 
> Thunderbird with a few minor interface changes.  You can get the same 
> interface changes by installing the Penelope extension on a standard 
> Thunderbird configuration.
>
> It is currently very highly buggy.
>
>
> I've been a Eudora user since the 1.0 days, back when it was still an 
> open source program supported by the University where the author was 
> working.
>
> I've tried Thunderbird.  It is buggy, but I don't have much choice. 
> I've tried Thunderbird+Penelope, and it is highly buggy.  There's a 
> reason why I went back to plain Thunderbird.
>
Thanks for the clarification. I never used Thunderbird before and so far 
I'm not too impressed with this version.
I think I'll just stick to kmail as I have for years.
From frank05_82 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 11:33:39 2008
From: frank05_82 at yahoo.com (F. Corona)
Date: Thu Oct  2 11:33:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Subnetting Tutor
In-Reply-To: <48E49C9B.6040106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <933730.9278.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://forums.cisco.com/CertCom/game/binary_game_page.htm



--- On Thu, 10/2/08, ed <horned0wl93@gmail.com> wrote:
From: ed <horned0wl93@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Subnetting Tutor
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 5:04 AM

Henry Pugsley wrote:
> If you take the CCNA combo exam there is less subnetting and more
> troubleshoot/config. The exams for the two parts are 150 questions in
> 90 minutes, or you can do the combo with 50-60 questions in 90
> minutes. You will need to subnet but there won't be 50 questions on
> just that.
>
> That binary math game that comes with the books (also avail ont
>   
Is there a link for this game?  Can't seem to find it...
> cisco.com) is actually pretty good for practicing your speed. Its also
> a good example of why engineers shouldn't write games ..
>
> I just took my CCNA in June and it wasn't that bad, though I have a
> few years of networking under my belt already ;)
>
> -Henry
>
>
>
> On 9/30/08, F. Corona <frank05_82@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hello Group,
>>
>>     I would like to know if any one is getting ready for their CCNA or
>> CCENT?
>> I need some help with subnetting and i could also use a study group or
study
>> partner.
>> If anyone is interested please let me know.
>>
>>
>>     
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From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 16:46:40 2008
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Thu Oct  2 16:46:45 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Testing Eudora
In-Reply-To: <48E4503E.6070609@shub-internet.org>
References: <48E426DC.9090005@gmail.com> <48E4503E.6070609@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <48E54140.9070407@gmail.com>

Brad Knowles wrote:

> Eudora no longer exists.  What is now being called Eudora is actually 
> Thunderbird with a few minor interface changes.  You can get the same 
> interface changes by installing the Penelope extension on a standard 
> Thunderbird configuration.
> 
> It is currently very highly buggy. 
> 
> I've been a Eudora user since the 1.0 days, back when it was still an 
> open source program supported by the University where the author was 
> working.
> 
> I've tried Thunderbird.  It is buggy, but I don't have much choice. I've 
> tried Thunderbird+Penelope, and it is highly buggy.  There's a reason 
> why I went back to plain Thunderbird.

You might want to try Seamonkey (aka Mozilla Suite).  Personally I like the 
Seamonkey interface, both mail and web.  It uses the same web engine as Firefox, 
but I like the web interface better. It is able to use most FF plugins.

   -- Bruce

From brad at shub-internet.org  Thu Oct  2 19:10:47 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Thu Oct  2 19:10:51 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Testing Eudora
In-Reply-To: <48E54140.9070407@gmail.com>
References: <48E426DC.9090005@gmail.com> <48E4503E.6070609@shub-internet.org>
	<48E54140.9070407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E56307.8020801@shub-internet.org>

Bruce Dubbs wrote:

> You might want to try Seamonkey (aka Mozilla Suite).  Personally I like 
> the Seamonkey interface, both mail and web.  It uses the same web engine 
> as Firefox, but I like the web interface better. It is able to use most 
> FF plugins.

I do use both Firefox and Thunderbird, but I explicitly do *not* want to try 
to deal with a "unified" program of the sort represented by Seamonkey.

I much prefer to keep my mail and web programs separate, especially in case 
I need to change one of them for some reason.


Like pitching everything to do with a GUI-based mail program and going back 
to mutt.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
From n5wsw at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 20:24:46 2008
From: n5wsw at yahoo.com (Don Jones)
Date: Thu Oct  2 20:24:51 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] help with finding laptop parts
In-Reply-To: <1222794953.9814.5.camel@homestudio.bucy-medrano>
Message-ID: <793659.48862.qm@web35508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Todd,

No promises, but try Bobcat Laptops in San Marcos. If you can't find them on the web I'll swing by and get their address the URL and physical address.

Don, N5WSW
A Student of Life!


--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net> wrote:

> From: Todd W. Bucy <toddwbucy@grandecom.net>
> Subject: [SATLUG] help with finding laptop parts
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:15 PM
> does anyone know where I can get parts for a Lenovo y510?  I
> need the
> bottom part of the case as the mounts for the screen have
> broken and my
> screen is now dangerously wobbly. I have searched all over
> the Internet
> and have not found anyone selling repair parts for this
> particular
> model.
> I suppose an alternative would be to use a different model
> case but I am
> unsure of which one would be most appropriate for the guts
> of this
> laptop.
> 
> thanks in advance for any help
> Todd 
> 
> -- 
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From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Thu Oct  2 22:32:36 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Thu Oct  2 22:32:25 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Testing Eudora
In-Reply-To: <48E56307.8020801@shub-internet.org>
References: <48E426DC.9090005@gmail.com>
	<48E4503E.6070609@shub-internet.org>	<48E54140.9070407@gmail.com>
	<48E56307.8020801@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <48E59254.4080408@satx.rr.com>

I feel the same way (on that point about a unified program, that is).

I, too, use Firefox & Thunderbird, and have been for a couple of years.  
I really haven't had any problems with either that would make me 
question using them or make me want to switch to something else.  In 
fact, I first started using them (& got my wife to, as well) in 
preparation for migrating from Window to Linux, and it has made the 
transition almost completely seamless.  I can't imagine the conversion 
of my wife's PC over to Linux being any easier than it was with Firefox 
& Thunderbird.

Al Lesmerises


Brad Knowles wrote:
> Bruce Dubbs wrote:
>
>> You might want to try Seamonkey (aka Mozilla Suite).  Personally I 
>> like the Seamonkey interface, both mail and web.  It uses the same 
>> web engine as Firefox, but I like the web interface better. It is 
>> able to use most FF plugins.
>
> I do use both Firefox and Thunderbird, but I explicitly do *not* want 
> to try to deal with a "unified" program of the sort represented by 
> Seamonkey.
>
> I much prefer to keep my mail and web programs separate, especially in 
> case I need to change one of them for some reason.
>
> Like pitching everything to do with a GUI-based mail program and going 
> back to mutt.
From hharadon at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 10:50:19 2008
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Fri Oct  3 10:50:21 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] SeaMonkey (Mozilla) Browser Crash
Message-ID: <e5fa90240810030850y52bd8da8xbd3984f583ae13b5@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,  This AM I had 2 unexplained crashes (the
window just disappeared) of my internet browser.
I have recently installed Puppy 4.0 with kernel  2.6.21.7.
and use SeaMonkey 1.1.11, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U;
Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16).  This SeaMonkey
version is the newest stable ver. that I installed using
the .tar file from their web site.  It did not come thru
Puppy's package manager.  BTW, Synaptic or
apt seem to be missing in Puppy as well as any
complete repository system ??

Anyway, I poked around and found only one
message after each crash that might point to the
problem in /tmp/xerrs.log :

/usr/local/seamonkey/run-mozilla.sh: line 131:  2142
Segmentation fault      "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
EXIT="Ready"

Both time the message was the same.

At the time of these problems, I was fussing with an
email reply in Gmail, fumbling the arrow keys, CTRL,
and/or the Ins key on a standard desktop keyboard.
I have tried several key combos, but cannot duplicate
the crash.  I had some memory problems earlier on this
PC, but have done extensive test of its current DRAM,
and they *look* solid.

Any ideas will be welcomed.

Thanks,  Howard
-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA
From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 11:16:12 2008
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Fri Oct  3 11:16:15 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] SeaMonkey (Mozilla) Browser Crash
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240810030850y52bd8da8xbd3984f583ae13b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5fa90240810030850y52bd8da8xbd3984f583ae13b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E6454C.2000501@gmail.com>

Howard Haradon wrote:
> Hello,  This AM I had 2 unexplained crashes (the
> window just disappeared) of my internet browser.
> I have recently installed Puppy 4.0 with kernel  2.6.21.7.
> and use SeaMonkey 1.1.11, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U;
> Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16).  This SeaMonkey
> version is the newest stable ver. that I installed using
> the .tar file from their web site.  It did not come thru
> Puppy's package manager.  BTW, Synaptic or
> apt seem to be missing in Puppy as well as any
> complete repository system ??
> 
> Anyway, I poked around and found only one
> message after each crash that might point to the
> problem in /tmp/xerrs.log :
> 
> /usr/local/seamonkey/run-mozilla.sh: line 131:  2142
> Segmentation fault      "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
> EXIT="Ready"
> 
> Both time the message was the same.
> 
> At the time of these problems, I was fussing with an
> email reply in Gmail, fumbling the arrow keys, CTRL,
> and/or the Ins key on a standard desktop keyboard.
> I have tried several key combos, but cannot duplicate
> the crash.  I had some memory problems earlier on this
> PC, but have done extensive test of its current DRAM,
> and they *look* solid.

I have been using seamonkey 1.1.11 since July 22 without problem, but I built it 
from source instead of downloading a binary.  To me, the most likely cause of 
the problem is a plugin or library.  What plugins do you have?

   -- Bruce

From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu  Fri Oct  3 14:52:41 2008
From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff)
Date: Fri Oct  3 14:52:42 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Ed, Printer
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70810011806o718f1d57l5e86f25d281643c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70810011806o718f1d57l5e86f25d281643c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E67809.1010008@w5omr.shacknet.nu>

Cheryl Holmes wrote:
> Check at the Goodwill Computer store on 410 to see what printers they have
> and the prices.  My sister got a really good price on an HP there...
>
>
>   

There's always the Belton Ham Radio Swap Meet, starting tomorrow at 8am,
in Belton, TX (just south of Temple)

All kinds of goodies, electronic wise, along with some arts and crafts
showings and offerings...

-Geoff
W5OMR
(leaving now for the Friday night gatherings)

From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Fri Oct  3 15:09:25 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Fri Oct  3 15:09:11 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] SeaMonkey (Mozilla) Browser Crash
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240810030850y52bd8da8xbd3984f583ae13b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5fa90240810030850y52bd8da8xbd3984f583ae13b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E67BF5.8060509@satx.rr.com>

If you want to be sure of the health of your RAM, I would suggest 
getting a bootable copy of memtest86, burn it onto a CD, then reboot and 
let the utility run overnight to directly test the RAM a few times.  
It's helped me identify a memory problem that I couldn't verify while 
the full OS was running (the minimal boot OS is only a couple hundred kb 
in size, so that leaves everything else available for testing).

Al Lesmerises


Howard Haradon wrote:
> Hello,  This AM I had 2 unexplained crashes (the
> window just disappeared) of my internet browser.
> I have recently installed Puppy 4.0 with kernel  2.6.21.7.
> and use SeaMonkey 1.1.11, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U;
> Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16).  This SeaMonkey
> version is the newest stable ver. that I installed using
> the .tar file from their web site.  It did not come thru
> Puppy's package manager.  BTW, Synaptic or
> apt seem to be missing in Puppy as well as any
> complete repository system ??
>
> Anyway, I poked around and found only one
> message after each crash that might point to the
> problem in /tmp/xerrs.log :
>
> /usr/local/seamonkey/run-mozilla.sh: line 131:  2142
> Segmentation fault      "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
> EXIT="Ready"
>
> Both time the message was the same.
>
> At the time of these problems, I was fussing with an
> email reply in Gmail, fumbling the arrow keys, CTRL,
> and/or the Ins key on a standard desktop keyboard.
> I have tried several key combos, but cannot duplicate
> the crash.  I had some memory problems earlier on this
> PC, but have done extensive test of its current DRAM,
> and they *look* solid.
>
> Any ideas will be welcomed.
>
> Thanks,  Howard
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 16:12:32 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Fri Oct  3 16:12:26 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Ed, Printer
In-Reply-To: <48E67809.1010008@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
References: <7e4994a70810011806o718f1d57l5e86f25d281643c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E67809.1010008@w5omr.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <48E68AC0.6020306@gmail.com>

Thanks, Geoff, but...

> Thanks for all your kind advice!  I'm now the proud possessor of a
> brand-new, fully-functional /_HP C4400 All-In-One_/
> Printer/Scanner/Copier.  Hadda go to the HP page to get the most
> current hplip for Debian/Ubuntu, and then run the install from the
> command line, but she's up, and runs like a top in all 3 modes!
Cheers;
Ed
=======

Geoff wrote:
> Cheryl Holmes wrote:
>   
>> Check at the Goodwill Computer store on 410 to see what printers they have
>> and the prices.  My sister got a really good price on an HP there...
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> There's always the Belton Ham Radio Swap Meet, starting tomorrow at 8am,
> in Belton, TX (just south of Temple)
>
> All kinds of goodies, electronic wise, along with some arts and crafts
> showings and offerings...
>
> -Geoff
> W5OMR
> (leaving now for the Friday night gatherings)
>
>   

From crynosys at grandecom.net  Fri Oct  3 23:12:27 2008
From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris)
Date: Fri Oct  3 23:11:53 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit 
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>

Are you still game for this.  Do you need: a ride, directions, or tacos?


Ernest De Leon wrote:
> I will be in town Oct. 1, so if it can wait until that weekend, I'm game to
> carpool with someone out there and check things out. We can probably get
> them up and running on much less hardware.  Who else is volunteering for
> this?  I have a spare WRT54G already flashed with DD-WRT and lots of spare
> parts.  I'm sure we can put something together for them.
>
> Ernest
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Chris <crynosys@grandecom.net> wrote:
> Thanks to several computer meltdowns I am finally getting back around to
> this.
> The librarians have almost given up on me.
> So I'll just post the contact points and get the hell out of the way.
> Leon Valley Library --  Ask for Sherry  ---
> Public - 684-0720
> My contact info
> crynosys (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
> e-mail and I'll post you a cell
>
>   

From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 01:06:30 2008
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Sat Oct  4 01:06:33 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>

Sure am.  Did we get final details on what all was needed so I know what to
take?  I haven't finished unpacking from the move back to SA, but I can get
to the parts pretty easily.  Let me know what all we need and how to get
there.  Is anyone else from the list going?  Perhaps we could carpool out
there.

Ernest

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Chris <crynosys@grandecom.net> wrote:

> Are you still game for this.  Do you need: a ride, directions, or tacos?
>
>
> Ernest De Leon wrote:
> > I will be in town Oct. 1, so if it can wait until that weekend, I'm game
> to
> > carpool with someone out there and check things out. We can probably get
> > them up and running on much less hardware.  Who else is volunteering for
> > this?  I have a spare WRT54G already flashed with DD-WRT and lots of
> spare
> > parts.  I'm sure we can put something together for them.
> >
> > Ernest
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Chris <crynosys@grandecom.net> wrote:
> > Thanks to several computer meltdowns I am finally getting back around to
> > this.
> > The librarians have almost given up on me.
> > So I'll just post the contact points and get the hell out of the way.
> > Leon Valley Library --  Ask for Sherry  ---
> > Public - 684-0720
> > My contact info
> > crynosys (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
> > e-mail and I'll post you a cell
> >
> >
>
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From astro at astr0.org  Sat Oct  4 01:06:50 2008
From: astro at astr0.org (Brian)
Date: Sat Oct  4 01:08:45 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net><ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com><48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net><ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1068182771-1223100450-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-753054505-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I'd be happy to help if needed.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ernest De Leon" <edeleonjr@gmail.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:06:30 
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List<satlug@satlug.org>
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit


Sure am.  Did we get final details on what all was needed so I know what to
take?  I haven't finished unpacking from the move back to SA, but I can get
to the parts pretty easily.  Let me know what all we need and how to get
there.  Is anyone else from the list going?  Perhaps we could carpool out
there.

Ernest

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Chris <crynosys@grandecom.net> wrote:

> Are you still game for this.  Do you need: a ride, directions, or tacos?
>
>
> Ernest De Leon wrote:
> > I will be in town Oct. 1, so if it can wait until that weekend, I'm game
> to
> > carpool with someone out there and check things out. We can probably get
> > them up and running on much less hardware.  Who else is volunteering for
> > this?  I have a spare WRT54G already flashed with DD-WRT and lots of
> spare
> > parts.  I'm sure we can put something together for them.
> >
> > Ernest
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Chris <crynosys@grandecom.net> wrote:
> > Thanks to several computer meltdowns I am finally getting back around to
> > this.
> > The librarians have almost given up on me.
> > So I'll just post the contact points and get the hell out of the way.
> > Leon Valley Library --  Ask for Sherry  ---
> > Public - 684-0720
> > My contact info
> > crynosys (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
> > e-mail and I'll post you a cell
> >
> >
>
> --
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From satlug at net153.net  Sat Oct  4 10:13:35 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Sat Oct  4 10:13:38 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>	<48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E7881F.7000201@net153.net>



Ernest De Leon wrote:
> Sure am.  Did we get final details on what all was needed so I know what to
> take?  I haven't finished unpacking from the move back to SA, but I can get
> to the parts pretty easily.  Let me know what all we need and how to get
> there.  Is anyone else from the list going?  Perhaps we could carpool out
> there.
> 
> Ernest
> 


I am interested.  Not sure if I have anything to offer but I can watch. 
  What day will this happen on? Today?

Sam
From crynosys at grandecom.net  Sat Oct  4 11:00:42 2008
From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris)
Date: Sat Oct  4 11:00:06 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>	<48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E7932A.7050505@grandecom.net>

Ernest De Leon wrote:
> Sure am.  Did we get final details on what all was needed so I know what to
> take?  I haven't finished unpacking from the move back to SA, but I can get
> to the parts pretty easily.  Let me know what all we need and how to get
> there.  Is anyone else from the list going?  Perhaps we could carpool out
> there.
>
> Ernest
>   
What's needed Hardware wise:  a firewall/router box, and a  Email/Web
server box.
I will be at the Library Saturday 2'ish .  I'm more than happy to run
the carpool.
Email and I'll send you my cell to arrange directions or carpool.

crynosy (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
From crynosys at grandecom.net  Sat Oct  4 11:15:40 2008
From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris)
Date: Sat Oct  4 11:15:03 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <1068182771-1223100450-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-753054505-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net><ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com><48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net><ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1068182771-1223100450-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-753054505-@bxe127.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <48E796AC.2050009@grandecom.net>

Brian wrote:
> I'd be happy to help if needed.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>   
Your help would be most welcome.


email and I'll send my cell #

From justin.burdette at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 11:20:27 2008
From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette)
Date: Sat Oct  4 11:20:29 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <48E7932A.7050505@grandecom.net>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E7932A.7050505@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <a66fec530810040920r7bc30d4fx6b86b47f0bb8bdb7@mail.gmail.com>

Did anyone need my IPCop box? I have a spare here that I'm not using.

Justin

On 10/4/08, Chris <crynosys@grandecom.net> wrote:
>
> Ernest De Leon wrote:
> > Sure am.  Did we get final details on what all was needed so I know what
> to
> > take?  I haven't finished unpacking from the move back to SA, but I can
> get
> > to the parts pretty easily.  Let me know what all we need and how to get
> > there.  Is anyone else from the list going?  Perhaps we could carpool out
> > there.
> >
> > Ernest
> >
>
> What's needed Hardware wise:  a firewall/router box, and a  Email/Web
> server box.
> I will be at the Library Saturday 2'ish .  I'm more than happy to run
> the carpool.
> Email and I'll send you my cell to arrange directions or carpool.
>
> crynosy (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
>
> --
>
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From hharadon at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 11:31:03 2008
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Sat Oct  4 11:31:05 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] SeaMonkey (Mozilla) Browser Crash
Message-ID: <e5fa90240810040931u50ed6b2ct856dd5a780ef3de9@mail.gmail.com>

> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:09:25 -0500
> From: Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] SeaMonkey (Mozilla) Browser Crash
> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
>        <satlug@satlug.org>
> Message-ID: <48E67BF5.8060509@satx.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> If you want to be sure of the health of your RAM, I would suggest
> getting a bootable copy of memtest86, burn it onto a CD, then reboot and
> let the utility run overnight to directly test the RAM a few times.
> It's helped me identify a memory problem that I couldn't verify while
> the full OS was running (the minimal boot OS is only a couple hundred kb
> in size, so that leaves everything else available for testing).
>
> Al Lesmerises
>
>
> Howard Haradon wrote:
    <  snip  >
>> Thanks,  Howard
>
Yes, that is a good practice, and it's what I did with
the latest memtest86+.  The newest is ver. 2.01, and
it is compatible with the VIA C7 CPUs.  I did an overnite
test for about 8 hours.
Thanks,  Howard
From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 11:45:16 2008
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Sat Oct  4 11:45:19 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <48E7932A.7050505@grandecom.net>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E7932A.7050505@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <ff67f9f70810040945s3cc2d5f6yc7148ed15e77a935@mail.gmail.com>

You can grab my email from the header for this message.  I just woke up, so
I hope this gets to you before you take off. I can get my hands on that
spare wrt54g and some other miscellaneous parts, but not an entire box.
Someone was willing to donate a spare box for the email/web server stuff.
Aside from that, I had recommended that they use Google for Non-profits for
their email/collaboration needs and I believe you can host a small website
there too. TWC has not set up my internet yet here at home, so I'm using my
verizon phone as a modem for email. Sorry for the late response.

Ernest

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Chris <crynosys@grandecom.net> wrote:

> Ernest De Leon wrote:
> > Sure am.  Did we get final details on what all was needed so I know what
> to
> > take?  I haven't finished unpacking from the move back to SA, but I can
> get
> > to the parts pretty easily.  Let me know what all we need and how to get
> > there.  Is anyone else from the list going?  Perhaps we could carpool out
> > there.
> >
> > Ernest
> >
> What's needed Hardware wise:  a firewall/router box, and a  Email/Web
> server box.
> I will be at the Library Saturday 2'ish .  I'm more than happy to run
> the carpool.
> Email and I'll send you my cell to arrange directions or carpool.
>
> crynosy (at) satx (dot) rr (dot) com
> --
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From buckmiester35 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 11:46:57 2008
From: buckmiester35 at gmail.com (K. Reginald Buckner)
Date: Sat Oct  4 11:47:04 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Experience with Gentoo
Message-ID: <a0c580f0810040946o7f2c23bdlccd13792cd4765f1@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Does anybody have any experience working with Gentoo? I tried to get a
> liveCD download but do not have home internet access at the moment, I
> usually wait until I

am on campus. If you do have experience with gentoo please share.
From crynosys at grandecom.net  Sat Oct  4 12:24:37 2008
From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris)
Date: Sat Oct  4 12:24:00 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <a66fec530810040920r7bc30d4fx6b86b47f0bb8bdb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>	<48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>	<ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>	<48E7932A.7050505@grandecom.net>
	<a66fec530810040920r7bc30d4fx6b86b47f0bb8bdb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E7A6D5.7090904@grandecom.net>

Justin Burdette wrote:
> Did anyone need my IPCop box? I have a spare here that I'm not using.
>
> Justin
>
>   
I think Ernest has the firewall/router covered.
We still need an e-mail/web server box.

Chris L.
From edeleonjr at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 12:33:11 2008
From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon)
Date: Sat Oct  4 12:33:14 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <48E7A6D5.7090904@grandecom.net>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E7932A.7050505@grandecom.net>
	<a66fec530810040920r7bc30d4fx6b86b47f0bb8bdb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E7A6D5.7090904@grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <ff67f9f70810041033j15f5cf27meccf018c7c84a0e1@mail.gmail.com>

Can we reschedule for later this afternoon/evening? What time do they
close?  I'm a little tied up at the moment trying to unload the last of my
stuff to return the uhaul before I get charged an extra day.

Ernest

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Chris <crynosys@grandecom.net> wrote:

> Justin Burdette wrote:
> > Did anyone need my IPCop box? I have a spare here that I'm not using.
> >
> > Justin
> >
> >
> I think Ernest has the firewall/router covered.
> We still need an e-mail/web server box.
>
> Chris L.
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From crynosys at grandecom.net  Sat Oct  4 12:51:04 2008
From: crynosys at grandecom.net (Chris)
Date: Sat Oct  4 12:50:27 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Leon Valley Server retrofit
In-Reply-To: <ff67f9f70810041033j15f5cf27meccf018c7c84a0e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48DC66DA.3000001@grandecom.net>	<ff67f9f70809252147t23a386a9m5592f156f8673f6b@mail.gmail.com>	<48E6ED2B.5020504@grandecom.net>	<ff67f9f70810032306p4511b011v9a72d0a6d40a76b4@mail.gmail.com>	<48E7932A.7050505@grandecom.net>	<a66fec530810040920r7bc30d4fx6b86b47f0bb8bdb7@mail.gmail.com>	<48E7A6D5.7090904@grandecom.net>
	<ff67f9f70810041033j15f5cf27meccf018c7c84a0e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E7AD08.9030208@grandecom.net>

Ernest De Leon wrote:
> Can we reschedule for later this afternoon/evening? What time do they
> close?  I'm a little tied up at the moment trying to unload the last of my
> stuff to return the uhaul before I get charged an extra day.
>
> Ernest
>   
Evening is probably ok.
contact info sent to gmail.
 


From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Sat Oct  4 13:27:08 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Sat Oct  4 13:23:19 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] cryptic error
Message-ID: <200810041827.m94IR9iX029024@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

On my slack12 box I get this when connecting a USB storage device and
asking it to open it in konqueror:

A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message
to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message
had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error
name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")

When I click on "Devices" I says: Devices: Protocol not supported

Can someone translate this for me? What do I need to change here?

Thanks, -b.
From hharadon at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 13:23:47 2008
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Sat Oct  4 13:23:50 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] SeaMonkey (Mozilla) Browser Crash
Message-ID: <e5fa90240810041123x151fa47cpa9708b9514741@mail.gmail.com>

> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:16:12 -0500
> From: Bruce Dubbs <bruce.dubbs@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] SeaMonkey (Mozilla) Browser Crash
> To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
>        <satlug@satlug.org>
> Message-ID: <48E6454C.2000501@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Howard Haradon wrote:
>> Hello,  This AM I had 2 unexplained crashes (the
>> window just disappeared) of my internet browser.
>> I have recently installed Puppy 4.0 with kernel  2.6.21.7.
>> and use SeaMonkey 1.1.11, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U;
>> Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16).  This SeaMonkey
>> version is the newest stable ver. that I installed using
>> the .tar file from their web site.  It did not come thru
>> Puppy's package manager.  BTW, Synaptic or
>> apt seem to be missing in Puppy as well as any
>> complete repository system ??
>>
>> Anyway, I poked around and found only one
>> message after each crash that might point to the
>> problem in /tmp/xerrs.log :
>>
>> /usr/local/seamonkey/run-mozilla.sh: line 131:  2142
>> Segmentation fault      "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
>> EXIT="Ready"
>>
>> Both time the message was the same.
>>
>> At the time of these problems, I was fussing with an
>> email reply in Gmail, fumbling the arrow keys, CTRL,
>> and/or the Ins key on a standard desktop keyboard.
>> I have tried several key combos, but cannot duplicate
>> the crash.  I had some memory problems earlier on this
>> PC, but have done extensive test of its current DRAM,
>> and they *look* solid.

Bruce wrote:
>
> I have been using seamonkey 1.1.11 since July 22 without problem, but I built it
> from source instead of downloading a binary.  To me, the most likely cause of
> the problem is a plugin or library.  What plugins do you have?
>
>   -- Bruce

I see these 4 plugins when I do about:plugins.
Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48
Scalable Vector Graphics, as handled by RSVG-2.18.2. Views SVG images.
Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_07-b06
gxineplugin.so

Now, in looking at /tmp/xerrs.log, there are 9 lines like the following:

Flash Player: Warning: environment variable G_FILENAME_ENCODING is set
and is not UTF-8

Perhaps flash player is the culprit?

Thanks,  Howard
From mckinneyb at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 14:28:09 2008
From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney)
Date: Sat Oct  4 14:28:10 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Experience with Gentoo
In-Reply-To: <a0c580f0810040946o7f2c23bdlccd13792cd4765f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0c580f0810040946o7f2c23bdlccd13792cd4765f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0c9fceb0810041228j75c403bdk8ac621e1344af1be@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, K. Reginald Buckner
<buckmiester35@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody have any experience working with Gentoo? I tried to get a
>> liveCD download but do not have home internet access at the moment, I
>> usually wait until I
>
> am on campus. If you do have experience with gentoo please share.
> --

I've been running Gentoo as my primary server OS for years now.. I may
be able to help if you have questions.  :)


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From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 15:18:03 2008
From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs)
Date: Sat Oct  4 15:18:06 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] SeaMonkey (Mozilla) Browser Crash
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240810041123x151fa47cpa9708b9514741@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5fa90240810041123x151fa47cpa9708b9514741@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E7CF7B.5060106@gmail.com>

Howard Haradon wrote:


> I see these 4 plugins when I do about:plugins.
> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48

I have the same.

> Scalable Vector Graphics, as handled by RSVG-2.18.2. Views SVG images.

I don't have this one.

> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_07-b06

I guess mine is a little dated as I have 1.5.0_06-b05

> gxineplugin.so

I don't have this either, but I do have:

mplayerplug-in 3.45  with
mplayerplug-in-dvx.so (DivX)
mplayerplug-in-qt.so  (QuickTime)
mplayerplug-in-rm.so  (RealPlayer)
mplayerplug-in-wmp.so (Windows Media Player)


> Now, in looking at /tmp/xerrs.log, there are 9 lines like the following:
> 
> Flash Player: Warning: environment variable G_FILENAME_ENCODING is set
> and is not UTF-8
> 
> Perhaps flash player is the culprit?

Possibly.  I don't have anything like the above in my logs.

   -- Bruce
From siffland at nerdshack.com  Sun Oct  5 08:28:47 2008
From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I)
Date: Sun Oct  5 08:28:50 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Experience with Gentoo
In-Reply-To: <f0c9fceb0810041228j75c403bdk8ac621e1344af1be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0c580f0810040946o7f2c23bdlccd13792cd4765f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f0c9fceb0810041228j75c403bdk8ac621e1344af1be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ae131d00810050628t23295640gd8eefdf5777762c1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Brian McKinney <mckinneyb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM, K. Reginald Buckner
> <buckmiester35@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anybody have any experience working with Gentoo? I tried to get a
>>> liveCD download but do not have home internet access at the moment, I
>>> usually wait until I
>>
>> am on campus. If you do have experience with gentoo please share.
>> --
>
I have been using gentoo as my Linux OS since about 2001, back when
you did the stage 1 install. I always fight back and forth betwen that
and freeBSD as my favorite OS, if you have an questions just ask.

Sean
From siffland at nerdshack.com  Sun Oct  5 15:00:26 2008
From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I)
Date: Sun Oct  5 15:00:28 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
Message-ID: <3ae131d00810051300g1c487958n22061e65ec62465a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all i am cleaning out my closet and i have a USB wireless B Lucent
Technologies USB-W (it says ORiNOCO USB Client SILVER) wireless usb
card.  It has a pigtail hanging out the back with a 15foot (it looks
15 foot, very heavy gauge cable) and a RADIALL/LARSEN 14dBI gain
square antenna with mounts to mount to a pole.  I have no use for this
i got it form a friend before I moved to Texas in 05 and all it does
is collect dust and take up space and i want it gone.

Also I have a computer that is free it is in a generic case and has
some sort of ASUS motherboard and a Socket 370 VIA processor (I am
unsure of speed i believe it is a C6 around 600 MHZ).  It has no Hard
Drive or cd-rom or monitor or keyboard but it does have RAM and just
booted to post.  I used it for the longest time as my monowall
firewall (it only has one network card left in it).

Anyone insterested I am on the Northeast side and can meet someone
like in the forum or somewhere, e-mail me at ifflands@gmail.com.  All
stuff sold as is cos it is FREE..haha.

Sean
From curt.bryson at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 17:24:23 2008
From: curt.bryson at gmail.com (Curt Bryson (GMail))
Date: Sun Oct  5 17:17:03 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Monitors
Message-ID: <1223245463.12457.5.camel@karatekid.linux>

I have two still working monitors (they are just fine - just take up too
much space on desktop, so I replaced them with LCD Monitors).

One is a Viewsonic A90f+
(http://www.viewsonic.com/support/desktopdisplays/crtmonitors/aseries/a90fplus/)

The second is a Sony Trinitron Multiscan 200ES
(http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=CPD200ES)

Tried to craigslist 'em for 25 bucks a piece, but to no avail :D

They're sitting on my floor out here in Bulverde - stubbing toes pretty
frequently.

Email me off list if you wanna come grab 'em.

From siffland at nerdshack.com  Sun Oct  5 19:55:38 2008
From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I)
Date: Sun Oct  5 19:55:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00810051300g1c487958n22061e65ec62465a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ae131d00810051300g1c487958n22061e65ec62465a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ae131d00810051755r6871713dh6c1abd250c875ae6@mail.gmail.com>

The wireless stuff is gone, but the computer is still free to good
home...or bad home.......

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Sean I <siffland@nerdshack.com> wrote:
> Hey all i am cleaning out my closet and i have a USB wireless B Lucent
> Technologies USB-W (it says ORiNOCO USB Client SILVER) wireless usb
> card.  It has a pigtail hanging out the back with a 15foot (it looks
> 15 foot, very heavy gauge cable) and a RADIALL/LARSEN 14dBI gain
> square antenna with mounts to mount to a pole.  I have no use for this
> i got it form a friend before I moved to Texas in 05 and all it does
> is collect dust and take up space and i want it gone.
>
> Also I have a computer that is free it is in a generic case and has
> some sort of ASUS motherboard and a Socket 370 VIA processor (I am
> unsure of speed i believe it is a C6 around 600 MHZ).  It has no Hard
> Drive or cd-rom or monitor or keyboard but it does have RAM and just
> booted to post.  I used it for the longest time as my monowall
> firewall (it only has one network card left in it).
>
> Anyone insterested I am on the Northeast side and can meet someone
> like in the forum or somewhere, e-mail me at ifflands@gmail.com.  All
> stuff sold as is cos it is FREE..haha.
>
> Sean
>
From justin.burdette at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 20:05:44 2008
From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette)
Date: Sun Oct  5 20:05:47 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Strange issue
Message-ID: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>

The  pertinent info: OpenSUSE 11, KDE 3.5.x

I'm trying to put music on a 2GB Crucial thumbdrive, and it's giving me a
problem... I was able to copy files over with no problem until it got to
about 35% full. Now every time I try to copy a file, I get the error "Could
not write to /media/Crucial/filename.mp3"

The ownership of /media/Crucial is set to my username and the root group
(yes, my username is in the root group) and I can't change the group as
root. I've even tried firing up Krusader in root mode, and I still can't
write any more files to the drive.

Any ideas?

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From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Sun Oct  5 20:27:19 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Sun Oct  5 20:23:23 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Strange issue
In-Reply-To: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810060127.m961RJNk009855@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

Have you tried to reformat the drive? After formatting, mount the drive
and make sure it has the expected capacity using 'df'. You may want to
put a partition table on to the drive and then format.  Tell us what
'df' reports. You may also want to copy a bunch of smaller files onto the
drive and see if the problem is reproducible. Could it be that one of the 
files exceeds the 2GB storage? (that would have to be one very long song!)

-b.


> 
> The  pertinent info: OpenSUSE 11, KDE 3.5.x
> 
> I'm trying to put music on a 2GB Crucial thumbdrive, and it's giving me a
> problem... I was able to copy files over with no problem until it got to
> about 35% full. Now every time I try to copy a file, I get the error "Could
> not write to /media/Crucial/filename.mp3"
> 
> The ownership of /media/Crucial is set to my username and the root group
> (yes, my username is in the root group) and I can't change the group as
> root. I've even tried firing up Krusader in root mode, and I still can't
> write any more files to the drive.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
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From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Sun Oct  5 22:06:11 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Sun Oct  5 22:06:10 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Strange issue
In-Reply-To: <48E96815.1060500@satx.rr.com>
References: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E96815.1060500@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48E980A3.9070301@satx.rr.com>

These are just shots in the dark, and I'm no expert, so take them for 
what they're worth.

   1. How long are the names & paths of your mp3's once you put them on 
the thumb drive?
   2. Are you sure the thumb drive is mounted using the right file system?
   3. What about the number of files in that directory (possibly 
reaching a limit)?

I've run into some issues similar to these in the past (for other 
things), and sometimes I have to remind myself to check for basic things 
before I go chasing after more exotic explanations for problems.

Al Lesmerises


Justin Burdette wrote:
> The  pertinent info: OpenSUSE 11, KDE 3.5.x
>
> I'm trying to put music on a 2GB Crucial thumbdrive, and it's giving me a
> problem... I was able to copy files over with no problem until it got to
> about 35% full. Now every time I try to copy a file, I get the error "Could
> not write to /media/Crucial/filename.mp3"
>
> The ownership of /media/Crucial is set to my username and the root group
> (yes, my username is in the root group) and I can't change the group as
> root. I've even tried firing up Krusader in root mode, and I still can't
> write any more files to the drive.
>
> Any ideas?
From justin.burdette at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 22:29:45 2008
From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette)
Date: Sun Oct  5 22:29:47 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Strange issue
In-Reply-To: <48E980A3.9070301@satx.rr.com>
References: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E96815.1060500@satx.rr.com> <48E980A3.9070301@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <a66fec530810052029y1767858ue1a4a68717839e44@mail.gmail.com>

The drive automounts, and it's FAT16. Can't use FAT32 as it's for the
car stereo and it only reads FAT16. As for filenames, I'm not thinking
that's the issue as I have files with longer names than what I'm
trying to copy. I've had this issue before with a 1GB drive, it would
do the same thing at about 50%...at that point I just finished what I
was doing on my lone XP box. Don't want to do that here as I don't
really feel like configuring Samba server, but I'll do it as a last
resort.

Just got to work for the night, so I'll try reformatting it when I get
home in the morning.

On 10/5/08, Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> These are just shots in the dark, and I'm no expert, so take them for
> what they're worth.
>
>    1. How long are the names & paths of your mp3's once you put them on
> the thumb drive?
>    2. Are you sure the thumb drive is mounted using the right file system?
>    3. What about the number of files in that directory (possibly
> reaching a limit)?
>
> I've run into some issues similar to these in the past (for other
> things), and sometimes I have to remind myself to check for basic things
> before I go chasing after more exotic explanations for problems.
>
> Al Lesmerises
>
>
> Justin Burdette wrote:
>> The  pertinent info: OpenSUSE 11, KDE 3.5.x
>>
>> I'm trying to put music on a 2GB Crucial thumbdrive, and it's giving me a
>> problem... I was able to copy files over with no problem until it got to
>> about 35% full. Now every time I try to copy a file, I get the error
>> "Could
>> not write to /media/Crucial/filename.mp3"
>>
>> The ownership of /media/Crucial is set to my username and the root group
>> (yes, my username is in the root group) and I can't change the group as
>> root. I've even tried firing up Krusader in root mode, and I still can't
>> write any more files to the drive.
>>
>> Any ideas?
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From rsuberg at satx.rr.com  Sun Oct  5 22:55:34 2008
From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (Richard Suberg)
Date: Sun Oct  5 22:55:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Strange issue
In-Reply-To: <a66fec530810052029y1767858ue1a4a68717839e44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>	<48E96815.1060500@satx.rr.com>
	<48E980A3.9070301@satx.rr.com>
	<a66fec530810052029y1767858ue1a4a68717839e44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801c92767$62e35470$28a9fd50$@rr.com>

FAT16 does have a hard limit on how many files can exist in the root folder.
(I think the limit is between 60something and 100something.)  Beyond that,
what I have had to do was make a directory in the root directory, and then
put all files in that directory, since a subdir can extend past the root
file limit.

Richard S

-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf
Of Justin Burdette
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:30 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Strange issue

The drive automounts, and it's FAT16. Can't use FAT32 as it's for the
car stereo and it only reads FAT16. As for filenames, I'm not thinking
that's the issue as I have files with longer names than what I'm
trying to copy. I've had this issue before with a 1GB drive, it would
do the same thing at about 50%...at that point I just finished what I
was doing on my lone XP box. Don't want to do that here as I don't
really feel like configuring Samba server, but I'll do it as a last
resort.

Just got to work for the night, so I'll try reformatting it when I get
home in the morning.

On 10/5/08, Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> These are just shots in the dark, and I'm no expert, so take them for
> what they're worth.
>
>    1. How long are the names & paths of your mp3's once you put them on
> the thumb drive?
>    2. Are you sure the thumb drive is mounted using the right file system?
>    3. What about the number of files in that directory (possibly
> reaching a limit)?
>
> I've run into some issues similar to these in the past (for other
> things), and sometimes I have to remind myself to check for basic things
> before I go chasing after more exotic explanations for problems.
>
> Al Lesmerises
>
>
> Justin Burdette wrote:
>> The  pertinent info: OpenSUSE 11, KDE 3.5.x
>>
>> I'm trying to put music on a 2GB Crucial thumbdrive, and it's giving me a
>> problem... I was able to copy files over with no problem until it got to
>> about 35% full. Now every time I try to copy a file, I get the error
>> "Could
>> not write to /media/Crucial/filename.mp3"
>>
>> The ownership of /media/Crucial is set to my username and the root group
>> (yes, my username is in the root group) and I can't change the group as
>> root. I've even tried firing up Krusader in root mode, and I still can't
>> write any more files to the drive.
>>
>> Any ideas?
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From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us  Mon Oct  6 08:05:44 2008
From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst)
Date: Mon Oct  6 08:05:51 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Strange issue
In-Reply-To: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E9C6D6.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>

Did you copy to the drive root only? Make at least one directory and copy the files there. I know the WIN (sorry) limitation is 512 files in the media root but (almost) unlimited in a directory.

>>> "Justin Burdette" <justin.burdette@gmail.com> 10/05/2008 20:05 >>>
The  pertinent info: OpenSUSE 11, KDE 3.5.x

I'm trying to put music on a 2GB Crucial thumbdrive, and it's giving me a
problem... I was able to copy files over with no problem until it got to
about 35% full. Now every time I try to copy a file, I get the error "Could
not write to /media/Crucial/filename.mp3"

The ownership of /media/Crucial is set to my username and the root group
(yes, my username is in the root group) and I can't change the group as
root. I've even tried firing up Krusader in root mode, and I still can't
write any more files to the drive.

Any ideas?

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From edcoates at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 11:28:21 2008
From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates)
Date: Mon Oct  6 11:28:24 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Strange issue
In-Reply-To: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a66fec530810051805g56c70b9oef059e285f6179ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ee65edd0810060928k7ee4a286t42d4a9c94f0a2f3d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Justin Burdette
<justin.burdette@gmail.com> wrote:
> The  pertinent info: OpenSUSE 11, KDE 3.5.x
>
> I'm trying to put music on a 2GB Crucial thumbdrive, and it's giving me a
> problem... I was able to copy files over with no problem until it got to
> about 35% full. Now every time I try to copy a file, I get the error "Could
> not write to /media/Crucial/filename.mp3"
>
> The ownership of /media/Crucial is set to my username and the root group
> (yes, my username is in the root group) and I can't change the group as
> root. I've even tried firing up Krusader in root mode, and I still can't
> write any more files to the drive.
>
> Any ideas?
Many of the thumbdrives have a security switch/tab on them so that you
can protect them from being deleted or overwritten.  Have you checked
to see if yours has been turned on to make it unwritable?

Ed
From christopher.l.lovejoy at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 07:21:25 2008
From: christopher.l.lovejoy at gmail.com (Christopher Lovejoy)
Date: Tue Oct  7 07:22:31 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Encrypting Problem
Message-ID: <48EB5445.8070907@gmail.com>

I'm sorry for the off topic, but its a precursor to my using BT on my 
new laptop.

I've just gotten an Acer Aspire One, it comes loaded with Windows XP.  
It doesn't have a CD/DVD burner.  I'm trying to encrypt the whole hard 
drive with TrueCrypt 6.0.  To do this, I need to burn a recovery CD.  
I've tried to save the ISO image to a Thumbdrive, but it doesn't accept 
it.  I've downloaded InfraRecorder to try to burn it to a Thumbdrive, 
but it doesn't see the thumbdrive as a CD, appearantly.

I'm trying to encrypt the whole HD, so that as I load BackTrack onto my 
machine, I can protect the information that I'll end up storing on it.  
Any ideas or help would be appreciated.

-Rw
From mkr777 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 07:35:08 2008
From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR)
Date: Tue Oct  7 07:35:09 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Encrypting Problem
In-Reply-To: <48EB5445.8070907@gmail.com>
References: <48EB5445.8070907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca3eac740810070535i1f0ad9e0u9d7ab2fad56410d0@mail.gmail.com>

One possible solution would be to get a image of HD on to an external HD or
get a USD CD/DVD burner.

mkr

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Christopher Lovejoy <
christopher.l.lovejoy@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm sorry for the off topic, but its a precursor to my using BT on my new
> laptop.
>
> I've just gotten an Acer Aspire One, it comes loaded with Windows XP.  It
> doesn't have a CD/DVD burner.  I'm trying to encrypt the whole hard drive
> with TrueCrypt 6.0.  To do this, I need to burn a recovery CD.  I've tried
> to save the ISO image to a Thumbdrive, but it doesn't accept it.  I've
> downloaded InfraRecorder to try to burn it to a Thumbdrive, but it doesn't
> see the thumbdrive as a CD, appearantly.
>
> I'm trying to encrypt the whole HD, so that as I load BackTrack onto my
> machine, I can protect the information that I'll end up storing on it.  Any
> ideas or help would be appreciated.
>
> -Rw
> --
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From nathan at gvtc.com  Tue Oct  7 09:51:41 2008
From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan)
Date: Tue Oct  7 09:51:44 2008
Subject: [SATLUG]Meeting / Computer show
Message-ID: <20081007075141.BA74951A@resin14.mta.everyone.net>

Since the computer show will be before the November meeting, I would like to 'preview' what people hope to demo at the computer show at this months meeting.  Remember that we want to show off audio related software, including text to speech and speech to text as well as recording software.

Nathan
From president at satlug.org  Tue Oct  7 10:49:43 2008
From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President)
Date: Tue Oct  7 10:49:45 2008
Subject: [SATLUG]Meeting / Computer show
In-Reply-To: <20081007075141.BA74951A@resin14.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20081007075141.BA74951A@resin14.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0810070849n7fcc6340xd621cdeb41874e3f@mail.gmail.com>

Nathan,
Charles is planning to do a presentation on Linux & audio.  As of
yesterday, unless all you-know-what breaks loose at his work this
week, he is still planning to do it Wednesday night.

Jim

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Nathan <nathan@gvtc.com> wrote:
> Since the computer show will be before the November meeting, I would like to 'preview' what people hope to demo at the computer show at this months meeting.  Remember that we want to show off audio related software, including text to speech and speech to text as well as recording software.
>
> Nathan
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From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 11:43:28 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Tue Oct  7 11:43:35 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <48EB57AE.6000709@gmail.com>
References: <3ae131d00810051300g1c487958n22061e65ec62465a@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EB57AE.6000709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EB91B0.4040505@gmail.com>



Michael wrote:
> Sean I wrote:
>   
>> Hey all i am cleaning out my closet and i have a USB wireless B Lucent
>> Technologies USB-W (it says ORiNOCO USB Client SILVER) wireless usb
>> card.  It has a pigtail hanging out the back with a 15foot (it looks
>> 15 foot, very heavy gauge cable) and a RADIALL/LARSEN 14dBI gain
>> square antenna with mounts to mount to a pole.  I have no use for this
>> i got it form a friend before I moved to Texas in 05 and all it does
>> is collect dust and take up space and i want it gone.
>>
>> Also I have a computer that is free it is in a generic case and has
>> some sort of ASUS motherboard and a Socket 370 VIA processor (I am
>> unsure of speed i believe it is a C6 around 600 MHZ).  It has no Hard
>> Drive or cd-rom or monitor or keyboard but it does have RAM and just
>> booted to post.  I used it for the longest time as my monowall
>> firewall (it only has one network card left in it).
>>
>> Anyone insterested I am on the Northeast side and can meet someone
>> like in the forum or somewhere, e-mail me at ifflands@gmail.com.  All
>> stuff sold as is cos it is FREE..haha.
>>
>> Sean
>>   
>>     
> And in my box of "stuff I've collected by really no longer need" is a D-Link DVG-1120M VOIP thingy.  I live down town near the central library if anyone is interested in it.
>
>   
And in my closet of give-away stuff, I have 2 - 15" RGB CRT Monitors (an
Optiquest and a ViewSonic), and a HP 2300c flat-bed scanner, all free to
good homes...  (...things not collected will be donated to Goodwill.)

Cheers;
Ed

From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 11:44:18 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Tue Oct  7 11:44:26 2008
Subject: [SATLUG]Meeting / Computer show
In-Reply-To: <20081007075141.BA74951A@resin14.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20081007075141.BA74951A@resin14.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <48EB91E2.5050105@gmail.com>

What's the date for the show?

Cheers;
Ed

Nathan wrote:
> Since the computer show will be before the November meeting, I would like to 'preview' what people hope to demo at the computer show at this months meeting.  Remember that we want to show off audio related software, including text to speech and speech to text as well as recording software.
>
> Nathan
>   
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 12:03:02 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Tue Oct  7 12:03:08 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Network Help, Please...?
Message-ID: <48EB9646.9020008@gmail.com>

Hi Folks...

So much for my network running like a top...

I have all my machines (3) on Ubuntu 8.04, and had my network was
humming nicely -- that was, until my 15 month-old granddaughter pulled
the power plug on one of them during a file transfer. Somehow, that act
wiped my network connections, thought I don't see how...  After a
reconnect, and a full network reboot, only one of the three machines can
see the other two (icons appear in the network window), but it cannot
access them.  All 3 machines can still ping each other, but that's about
it...  Any suggestions gratefully appreciated.  Help??

Cheers;
Ed

From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  7 12:43:43 2008
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Tue Oct  7 12:43:46 2008
Subject: [SATLUG]Meeting / Computer show
In-Reply-To: <48EB91E2.5050105@gmail.com>
References: <20081007075141.BA74951A@resin14.mta.everyone.net>
	<48EB91E2.5050105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe7ne4hb16306bqcb7ci9b2erldf45ls4u@4ax.com>

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:44:18 -0500, ed <horned0wl93@gmail.com> wrote:

>What's the date for the show?

Next Computer Show and Sale is Saturday November 8, 2008, followed by the
special Christmas edition of the Show on December 13. We'll try to do
something festive for that one.  --Don

-- 
A computer is a hole in your desk you pour money into.
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 15:16:20 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Tue Oct  7 15:16:26 2008
Subject: [SATLUG]Meeting / Computer show
In-Reply-To: <fe7ne4hb16306bqcb7ci9b2erldf45ls4u@4ax.com>
References: <20081007075141.BA74951A@resin14.mta.everyone.net>	<48EB91E2.5050105@gmail.com>
	<fe7ne4hb16306bqcb7ci9b2erldf45ls4u@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <48EBC394.6020300@gmail.com>

Ouch!

Both of them have landed right on top of my next 2 PAC/ACCD computer
clinics. Apologies in advance for not being able to make them, but I
will shoot for Weds night...

Cheers;
Ed
===========

Don Wright wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:44:18 -0500, ed <horned0wl93@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> What's the date for the show?
>>     
>
> Next Computer Show and Sale is Saturday November 8, 2008, followed by the
> special Christmas edition of the Show on December 13. We'll try to do
> something festive for that one.  --Don
>
>   
From mckinneyb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 01:05:44 2008
From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney)
Date: Wed Oct  8 01:05:47 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Encrypting Problem
In-Reply-To: <48EB5445.8070907@gmail.com>
References: <48EB5445.8070907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0c9fceb0810072305x32b656c9m75e6a7ce791ee7de@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Christopher Lovejoy
<christopher.l.lovejoy@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry for the off topic, but its a precursor to my using BT on my new
> laptop.
>
> I've just gotten an Acer Aspire One, it comes loaded with Windows XP.  It
> doesn't have a CD/DVD burner.  I'm trying to encrypt the whole hard drive
> with TrueCrypt 6.0.  To do this, I need to burn a recovery CD.  I've tried
> to save the ISO image to a Thumbdrive, but it doesn't accept it.  I've
> downloaded InfraRecorder to try to burn it to a Thumbdrive, but it doesn't
> see the thumbdrive as a CD, appearantly.
>
> I'm trying to encrypt the whole HD, so that as I load BackTrack onto my
> machine, I can protect the information that I'll end up storing on it.  Any
> ideas or help would be appreciated.

Don't have much experience installing Windows from a thumbdrive.
Found a few articles that may help though.

http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/installing-windows-xp-from-usb-thumb.html
http://www.vandomburg.net/installing-windows-xp-from-usb/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vt_8p0VllY

-- 
-Brian
From edcoates at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 07:09:15 2008
From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates)
Date: Wed Oct  8 07:09:18 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] cryptic error
In-Reply-To: <200810041827.m94IR9iX029024@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200810041827.m94IR9iX029024@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <8ee65edd0810080509y604a003bje48f33b260d83f56@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Borries Demeler
<demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> On my slack12 box I get this when connecting a USB storage device and
> asking it to open it in konqueror:
>
> A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message
> to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message
> had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error
> name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
>
> When I click on "Devices" I says: Devices: Protocol not supported
>
> Can someone translate this for me? What do I need to change here?
>
> Thanks, -b.
Borries,

I think that I've found a possible link for you:

http://www.jefferyfernandez.id.au/2007/07/26/a-security-policy-in-place-prevents-mounting-of-volumes/

I did a google search for     a security policy in place prevents
and this is the first hit, but from reading the problem seems to lie
with the hal daemon's configuration files.

Hope that this helps

Ed
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Wed Oct  8 08:43:27 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Oct  8 08:39:20 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] cryptic error
In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0810080509y604a003bje48f33b260d83f56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810081343.m98DhRgv009546@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

Ed,

thanks very much! I will try that next time I am in front of this computer.
THis link gives all the information I would need, and in any case, points
me into the right direction and tells me that the hal daemon is the origin
of this message.

Thanks again! -borries
> 
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Borries Demeler
> <demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> > On my slack12 box I get this when connecting a USB storage device and
> > asking it to open it in konqueror:
> >
> > A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message
> > to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message
> > had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error
> > name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
> >
> > When I click on "Devices" I says: Devices: Protocol not supported
> >
> > Can someone translate this for me? What do I need to change here?
> >
> > Thanks, -b.
> Borries,
> 
> I think that I've found a possible link for you:
> 
> http://www.jefferyfernandez.id.au/2007/07/26/a-security-policy-in-place-prevents-mounting-of-volumes/
> 
> I did a google search for     a security policy in place prevents
> and this is the first hit, but from reading the problem seems to lie
> with the hal daemon's configuration files.
> 
> Hope that this helps
> 
> Ed
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From president at satlug.org  Wed Oct  8 09:37:25 2008
From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President)
Date: Wed Oct  8 09:37:28 2008
Subject: [SATLUG]Meeting / Computer show
In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0810070849n7fcc6340xd621cdeb41874e3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081007075141.BA74951A@resin14.mta.everyone.net>
	<8c9fbbeb0810070849n7fcc6340xd621cdeb41874e3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0810080737v4a0e4679wb7ebf90a05b4955a@mail.gmail.com>

Charles e-mailed me & hasn't been able to get his presentation
finalized because of problems at work.  So we'll see what we can do
with what we have & get ready for the computer show.

Jim


On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jim Wells, President
<president@satlug.org> wrote:
> Nathan,
> Charles is planning to do a presentation on Linux & audio.  As of
> yesterday, unless all you-know-what breaks loose at his work this
> week, he is still planning to do it Wednesday night.
>
> Jim
From hharadon at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 10:07:11 2008
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Wed Oct  8 10:07:16 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Looks like Meeting is Tonite !
Message-ID: <e5fa90240810080807k2696ca6cg6650932afab7268e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,  Nathan, seems that we meet on the 8th.
Charles, I plan to be there at about 6:30 to
help out with toting your gear and any set
up activities.

Howard

-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA
From michael at michaelrice.org  Wed Oct  8 11:07:59 2008
From: michael at michaelrice.org (Michael Rice)
Date: Wed Oct  8 11:08:03 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Presentation Ideas
Message-ID: <e320f35d0810080907m910607clafefbb5daa59ac5c@mail.gmail.com>

I have tried adding a presentation idea to
http://www.satlug.org/topics.htmlbut it does not let me. I am wanting
to volunteer to do a presentation on
Asterisk and I was going to add it to the list, is there any interest in
this topic?
From Jason.George at valero.com  Fri Oct 10 11:52:37 2008
From: Jason.George at valero.com (George, Jason (San Antonio))
Date: Fri Oct 10 11:52:45 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] - VoIP provider recommendations
Message-ID: <A69185F15D247B4FAB28247785DBC4FD1C1753C50A@MSSAVS50.corp.valero.com>

Fellow SATLUGgers-

Can someone recommend a good VoIP service provider?  Currently I'm with SipPhone / Gizmo.  If anyone has experience w/ other providers that has pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rates and bring-your-own-device (BYOD) options (I have a Linksys ATA), then please share.

I did the standard Google search, but the results are flooded w/ suspicious companies and superfluous websites.   I like SipPhone / Gizmo because it's an American company, they support open standards, only $36 annually for any area-code phone number, PAYG pricing w/ rates @ 2 cents a minute.  The only complaint I have is slow support.  Know any companies that are comparable but w/ excellent support?  Thanks! ~Jason
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 12:12:34 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Fri Oct 10 12:12:44 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] - VoIP provider recommendations
In-Reply-To: <A69185F15D247B4FAB28247785DBC4FD1C1753C50A@MSSAVS50.corp.valero.com>
References: <A69185F15D247B4FAB28247785DBC4FD1C1753C50A@MSSAVS50.corp.valero.com>
Message-ID: <48EF8D02.3080103@gmail.com>

I'm waiting with bated breath for Magic Jack to release its Linux
version, which, I'm told, should be near Xmas time.  I already have the
Jack, but no Linux package to run it (WINE won't...  sigh...)

Cheers;
Ed
======================

George, Jason (San Antonio) wrote:
> Fellow SATLUGgers-
>
> Can someone recommend a good VoIP service provider?  Currently I'm with SipPhone / Gizmo.  If anyone has experience w/ other providers that has pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rates and bring-your-own-device (BYOD) options (I have a Linksys ATA), then please share.
>
> I did the standard Google search, but the results are flooded w/ suspicious companies and superfluous websites.   I like SipPhone / Gizmo because it's an American company, they support open standards, only $36 annually for any area-code phone number, PAYG pricing w/ rates @ 2 cents a minute.  The only complaint I have is slow support.  Know any companies that are comparable but w/ excellent support?  Thanks! ~Jason
>   
From j at jvpappas.net  Fri Oct 10 14:03:39 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Fri Oct 10 14:03:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] - VoIP provider recommendations
In-Reply-To: <A69185F15D247B4FAB28247785DBC4FD1C1753C50A@MSSAVS50.corp.valero.com>
References: <A69185F15D247B4FAB28247785DBC4FD1C1753C50A@MSSAVS50.corp.valero.com>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450810101203i414fb275w86370ddd5b69e584@mail.gmail.com>

I currently use TelIAX.com and vitelity.com.  I like both as they are
low-rate, pay as you go, BYOD providers.  Vitelity is the cheapest
($2/month/DID) and ~1.5c/min, and both support SIP and IAX.  I haven't had
any problems with either of them once they are set up, so I cannot comment
on the support too much, but the online documentation/interface for vitelity
is very good.

HTH,
jp

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:52, George, Jason (San Antonio) <
Jason.George@valero.com> wrote:

> Fellow SATLUGgers-
>
> Can someone recommend a good VoIP service provider?  Currently I'm with
> SipPhone / Gizmo.  If anyone has experience w/ other providers that has
> pay-as-you-go (PAYG) rates and bring-your-own-device (BYOD) options (I have
> a Linksys ATA), then please share.
>
> I did the standard Google search, but the results are flooded w/ suspicious
> companies and superfluous websites.   I like SipPhone / Gizmo because it's
> an American company, they support open standards, only $36 annually for any
> area-code phone number, PAYG pricing w/ rates @ 2 cents a minute.  The only
> complaint I have is slow support.  Know any companies that are comparable
> but w/ excellent support?  Thanks! ~Jason
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From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 16:57:04 2008
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Fri Oct 10 16:57:06 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] VOIP phones
Message-ID: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to see what people are using and recommending too because I'm
considering either getting a Cricket cell phone, (since I rarely travel out
of my area) and perhaps Cricket high speed wireless access later instead of
a landline myself...the pay as you go won't work for me because local calls
would cost too.

My friend David has been using Vonnage (sp?) and despite the company legal
problems, he has awesome service with all the whistles and bells for
$24.95/month.

I'm doing a little reanalysis of my phone needs myself..I reassess things a
few times annually...

Thank you very much..cheryl
From henry.pugsley at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 17:09:18 2008
From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley)
Date: Fri Oct 10 17:09:20 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] VOIP phones
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1003aeaa0810101509h66d11254i7baad72ecfc2e5a5@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using Vonage for over 4 years and I love it, but Vonage
really only makes sense if you have a cable internet connection.  You
can run it over DSL but the phone company is going to require you to
get a phone line and phone number in order to provide DSL service
(even though they technically don't need to provide dialtone), so
you'll just be paying double for phone service.

Some of the FiOS bundles are priced pretty competitively, but that all
depends if you want the whole shebang (TV, Internet, Phone) and if it
is available in your area.  Either way you go, you'll probably end up
paying $100/mo for all of it.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to see what people are using and recommending too because I'm
> considering either getting a Cricket cell phone, (since I rarely travel out
> of my area) and perhaps Cricket high speed wireless access later instead of
> a landline myself...the pay as you go won't work for me because local calls
> would cost too.
>
> My friend David has been using Vonnage (sp?) and despite the company legal
> problems, he has awesome service with all the whistles and bells for
> $24.95/month.
>
> I'm doing a little reanalysis of my phone needs myself..I reassess things a
> few times annually...
>
> Thank you very much..cheryl
> --
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From gtmo321 at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 10 19:05:55 2008
From: gtmo321 at earthlink.net (MK Davis)
Date: Fri Oct 10 19:05:58 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] VOIP
Message-ID: <48EFEDE3.3070401@earthlink.net>

Try www.phone.com

mike
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 13:37:44 2008
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Sat Oct 11 13:37:47 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] voip phones
Message-ID: <7e4994a70810111137l1599636dh4d427e99673938d2@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, att doesn't require a landline for dsl anymore...says so in their new
eula..

however, don't hold your breath for magicjack...2 ppl i know who are win
users couldn't get it to work in the san antonio area and have now sent it
back for a refund.  a friend in Mn. had the same problems...have you seem
the eula for magic jack?  you won't find it...but i have parts of it...they
have loaded it up with spyware and reserve the right to log and monitor your
calls for advertising purposes.  i'll look if i still have part of it to
post..but it doesn't sound like anything any of you would want.  it is very
intrusive and once installed, damned near impossible to uninstall it..in
fact, you have to go for the hidden file..on win...it won't show up in
add/remove like they say it does so you have to find the hidden file and
delte it..only since i didn't trust that, i wouldn't do it..it may crash
your system...caveat emptor definately applies...c




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When you have so little in life, there's nothing as precious as the
unselfish, undying love, devotion and companionship of  blessed little
angels we call our pets....(in memory and deepest love, Hillary, June 2008;
Misty Nov. 2007; Maxi, July 2004; Sheba, May 2000).
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 14:14:50 2008
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Sat Oct 11 14:14:53 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] MagicJack's EULA says it will spy on you and force you
	into arbitration
Message-ID: <7e4994a70810111214g2dff923bk725b5e7baed880b@mail.gmail.com>

 http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/04/14/magicjacks-eula-says.htmlsorry, i
didn't realize my original attempt to post this was so long...i included the
comments which are very informative..you may want to go to the site and read
them too.cl


MagicJack's EULA says it will spy on you and force you into arbitration  Posted
by Rob Beschizza <http://dynamic.boingboing.net/profile/beschizza>, April
14, 2008 8:09 AM |
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  [image: magicjackfooterimage.png]MagicJack<http://www.magicjack.com/1/index.asp>,
a cheapie $20-a-year internet phone service, comes with a shriveled and
shaking devil EULA.

"You also understand and agree that use of the magicJack device and Software
will include advertisements and that these advertisements are necessary for
the magicJack device to work ... Our computers may analyze the phone numbers
you call in order to improve the relevance of the ads"

...

Any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the
magicJack device or Software will be resolved by binding arbitration ... in
Palm Beach, Florida."

Oh God, not Palm Beach!

In short, it not only has one agree to ads with its paid-for system, but
claims that the ads are necessary for it to work. It will also snoop on your
calls to target ads more accurately, and has you sign away your legal right
to take it to court if it defrauds or otherwise harms you. Delightful.

Neither the EULA itself <http://www.magicjack.com/1/tos.asp>, nor any other
privacy or legal information, can be easily found at its homepage. It's not
even provided at the point of sale, where one enters credit card info, email
and street addresses as such, so as to gain access to the service and have
your MagicJack dongle delivered. I found the EULA's URL through Google.

It gets sexier. When you access MajicJack's instant web help page, a bizarre
series of "compatibility tests" take place first, reporting lies like "Your
MagicJack is functioning properly" even if you don't have one installed.

Even the "look how many people came for a free trial" counter on the
homepage is a fake, a javascript applet that increments itself
automatically:

// the interval (ms) between new visitors
var interval = Math.round(86400000/perday);

As if targeted advertising, systematic privacy invasion and the signing away
of your legal rights wasn't evil enough!

[Thanks, Joseph!]
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From dkowis at shlrm.org  Sat Oct 11 14:57:50 2008
From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis)
Date: Sat Oct 11 14:57:52 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] VOIP phones
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F1053E.3040808@shlrm.org>

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Cheryl Holmes wrote:
| I'd like to see what people are using and recommending too because I'm
| considering either getting a Cricket cell phone, (since I rarely
travel out
| of my area) and perhaps Cricket high speed wireless access later
instead of
| a landline myself...the pay as you go won't work for me because local
calls
| would cost too.
|
| My friend David has been using Vonnage (sp?) and despite the company legal
| problems, he has awesome service with all the whistles and bells for
| $24.95/month.
|
| I'm doing a little reanalysis of my phone needs myself..I reassess
things a
| few times annually...
|
| Thank you very much..cheryl


Not quite related, but related. ;)

I'm planning on using one of the providers here that's a pay-as-you-go
type thing for my own purposes. I've got a few vonage devices that I
need to finish unlocking, but it requires a $50 JTAG connector that I
haven't been able to afford yet. Once I do that, I'll have my own
asterisk box and be able to use whatever kind of SIP phone I can get my
hands on :)

- --
David Kowis

www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular!
www.sourcemage.org  - SourceMage GNU/Linux
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From satlug at net153.net  Sat Oct 11 15:34:28 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Sat Oct 11 15:34:30 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] VOIP phones
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F10DD4.8040305@net153.net>

I know of a few websites but I don't know of their credibility:
http://www.sellvoip.net/NewRateForm.php
http://carriers.icall.com/index.php
http://www.termination.com/index.php
http://voipstreet.com/faq.html
https://vtwhite.com/reseller_signup_form.php
http://www.iax.cc/show.php?go=services
http://voicestick.com/Learn/Index.aspx
http://exgn.net/index.php?p=services
https://www.voipjet.com/index.php
http://les.net

I also have a friend of a friend that I use for voip termination.  I 
will ask him if he wants another customer :)

Sam

Cheryl Holmes wrote:
> I'd like to see what people are using and recommending too because I'm
> considering either getting a Cricket cell phone, (since I rarely travel out
> of my area) and perhaps Cricket high speed wireless access later instead of
> a landline myself...the pay as you go won't work for me because local calls
> would cost too.
> 
> My friend David has been using Vonnage (sp?) and despite the company legal
> problems, he has awesome service with all the whistles and bells for
> $24.95/month.
> 
> I'm doing a little reanalysis of my phone needs myself..I reassess things a
> few times annually...
> 
> Thank you very much..cheryl

From hharadon at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 17:31:25 2008
From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon)
Date: Sun Oct 12 17:31:29 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] New Live CD Version of gparted released in early Oct.
Message-ID: <e5fa90240810121531s7df3f44bmd2011b0a8359cf6a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,  I stumbled across this while looking around
disto watch.  I made the live CD, and it is much slicker
than the old one that I have (had).  Has a lot of good
rescue tools that can be useful.

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/news.php

Good luck,  Howard
-- 
Howard Haradon
San Antonio, TX  USA
From satlug at net153.net  Sun Oct 12 18:21:18 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Sun Oct 12 18:21:19 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
Message-ID: <48F2866E.1010503@net153.net>

A recent upgrade has left me with some goodies that I have no room for.

For free:

Abit NF7-Sv2 motherboard with 2ghz cpu,heatsink,and 1gb ram
Nvidia Geforce 6800 agp
Enermax 431 watt psu

I can deliver to a meeting, or you can swing by my place or we can meet 
up somewhere.

Email if interested.

Sam
From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 18:22:51 2008
From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek)
Date: Sun Oct 12 18:22:53 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <48F2866E.1010503@net153.net>
Message-ID: <650490.36342.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I'll take it.

-Alex


--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net> wrote:

> From: Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net>
> Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:21 PM
> A recent upgrade has left me with some goodies that I have
> no room for.
> 
> For free:
> 
> Abit NF7-Sv2 motherboard with 2ghz cpu,heatsink,and 1gb ram
> Nvidia Geforce 6800 agp
> Enermax 431 watt psu
> 
> I can deliver to a meeting, or you can swing by my place or
> we can meet 
> up somewhere.
> 
> Email if interested.
> 
> Sam
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
> SATLUG mailing list
> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to
> unsubscribe
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From n5wsw at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 18:34:40 2008
From: n5wsw at yahoo.com (Don Jones)
Date: Sun Oct 12 18:34:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <650490.36342.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <416873.42822.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

you can't have it lol...poor college student needs it.

Don N5WSW :-)


--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Alex Bartonek <bartonekdragracing@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Alex Bartonek <bartonekdragracing@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:22 PM
> I'll take it.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net>
> > Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group
> Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:21 PM
> > A recent upgrade has left me with some goodies that I
> have
> > no room for.
> > 
> > For free:
> > 
> > Abit NF7-Sv2 motherboard with 2ghz cpu,heatsink,and
> 1gb ram
> > Nvidia Geforce 6800 agp
> > Enermax 431 watt psu
> > 
> > I can deliver to a meeting, or you can swing by my
> place or
> > we can meet 
> > up somewhere.
> > 
> > Email if interested.
> > 
> > Sam
> > -- 
> > _______________________________________________
> > SATLUG mailing list
> > SATLUG@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to
> > unsubscribe
> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
> 
> 
>       
> -- 
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From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 12 19:06:51 2008
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Oct 12 19:06:53 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] New Live CD Version of gparted released in early Oct.
In-Reply-To: <e5fa90240810121531s7df3f44bmd2011b0a8359cf6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5fa90240810121531s7df3f44bmd2011b0a8359cf6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <kc35f45cj4tc5dtq39bh9q0kovh1n7scff@4ax.com>

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:31:25 -0500, "Howard Haradon" <hharadon@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi,  I stumbled across this while looking around
>disto watch.  I made the live CD, and it is much slicker
>than the old one that I have (had).  Has a lot of good
>rescue tools that can be useful.
>
>http://gparted.sourceforge.net/news.php

The Live CD was orphaned briefly; I'm glad to see it is thriving again. I
used GParted Live for a while, and also System Rescue CD[1] (more than
partition tools) but have recently had better luck with the Trinity Rescue
Kit[2] as the NTFS support worked better for me. 

All these tools are under active development, which is good news to those of
us who have to pull someone's chestnuts out of the fire.  --Don

[1] http://www.SysRescCD.org
[2] http://trinityhome.org/Home/index.php?wpid=1&front_id=12

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From christopher.l.lovejoy at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 19:22:41 2008
From: christopher.l.lovejoy at gmail.com (Christopher Lovejoy)
Date: Sun Oct 12 19:24:13 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Social Backup
Message-ID: <48F294D1.80806@gmail.com>

I just wanted to see what others thought of Social Backup by Cucku.  My 
Sergeant just passed this along to me.  
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_moEIN/is_2008_Sept_18/ai_n28569164

It talks about Cucku's Social Backup.  Its current version is is 1.20. 

-Rw
From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 21:56:52 2008
From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek)
Date: Sun Oct 12 21:56:54 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <48F2866E.1010503@net153.net>
Message-ID: <500322.29990.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I guess since I was the first to reply to the list I can go pick it up?


--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net> wrote:

> From: Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net>
> Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:21 PM
> A recent upgrade has left me with some goodies that I have
> no room for.
> 
> For free:
> 
> Abit NF7-Sv2 motherboard with 2ghz cpu,heatsink,and 1gb ram
> Nvidia Geforce 6800 agp
> Enermax 431 watt psu
> 
> I can deliver to a meeting, or you can swing by my place or
> we can meet 
> up somewhere.
> 
> Email if interested.
> 
> Sam
> -- 
> _______________________________________________
> SATLUG mailing list
> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to
> unsubscribe
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From satlug at net153.net  Sun Oct 12 23:04:42 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Sun Oct 12 23:04:44 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <500322.29990.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <500322.29990.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48F2C8DA.9090208@net153.net>

I suppose ;)

You are wanting all of it?  I live in Marion off of I35 (close to New 
Braunfels).  You can drive here or we can meet it doesn't matter.

Sam

Alex Bartonek wrote:
> I guess since I was the first to reply to the list I can go pick it up?
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net>
>> Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
>> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:21 PM
>> A recent upgrade has left me with some goodies that I have
>> no room for.
>>
>> For free:
>>
>> Abit NF7-Sv2 motherboard with 2ghz cpu,heatsink,and 1gb ram
>> Nvidia Geforce 6800 agp
>> Enermax 431 watt psu
>>
>> I can deliver to a meeting, or you can swing by my place or
>> we can meet 
>> up somewhere.
>>
>> Email if interested.
>>
>> Sam
>> -- 
>> _______________________________________________
>> SATLUG mailing list
>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to
>> unsubscribe
>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
> 
> 
>       

From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 23:44:26 2008
From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek)
Date: Sun Oct 12 23:44:28 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <48F2C8DA.9090208@net153.net>
Message-ID: <917919.34651.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

yep..i&#39;ll take all of it.  I can go pick it up tomorrow if that&#39;s ok with you.

alex

Samuel Leon wrote: 
> I suppose ;)
> You are wanting all of it?  I live in Marion off of I35 (close to New 
> Braunfels).  You can drive here or we can meet it doesn't matter.
> Sam
> Alex Bartonek wrote:
>> I guess since I was the first to reply to the list I can go pick it up?
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net>
>>> Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff
>>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:21 PM
>>> A recent upgrade has left me with some goodies that I have
>>> no room for.
>>>
>>> For free:
>>>
>>> Abit NF7-Sv2 motherboard with 2ghz cpu,heatsink,and 1gb ram
>>> Nvidia Geforce 6800 agp
>>> Enermax 431 watt psu
>>>
>>> I can deliver to a meeting, or you can swing by my place or
>>> we can meet 
>>> up somewhere.
>>>
>>> Email if interested.
>>>
>>> Sam
>>> -- 
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>>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to
>>> unsubscribe
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>> 
>> 
>>       
> -- 
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From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Mon Oct 13 00:35:50 2008
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Mon Oct 13 00:35:53 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] VOIP phones
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810130035.50609.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Friday 10 October 2008 04:57:04 pm Cheryl Holmes wrote:
> I'd like to see what people are using and recommending too because I'm
> considering either getting a Cricket cell phone, (since I rarely travel out
> of my area) and perhaps Cricket high speed wireless access later instead of
> a landline myself...the pay as you go won't work for me because local calls
> would cost too.
>
> My friend David has been using Vonnage (sp?) and despite the company legal
> problems, he has awesome service with all the whistles and bells for
> $24.95/month.

I'm also big on Vonage.. After their big legal flack (and their stock tanked), 
I even bought some stock... figuring that it could only go up.  Even in the 
current market, I'm not doing that bad.. 

But about the technology and service.. I like it.. I have their never 
advertised $15/month (500minute) plan.  Even after taxes and any overages 
charges.. I still come in under $20/month!  Love it!  I run it over Time 
Warner RR ($20/month) and rarely have any probs.

BTW.. If  you are relying on ANY digital phone though.. I would also recommend 
having a cell/mobile phone as a backup though.  If you lose power for a 
night/day, even and UPS will dies and leave you without phone communications.

Tweeks

From Jason.George at valero.com  Mon Oct 13 13:52:33 2008
From: Jason.George at valero.com (George, Jason (San Antonio))
Date: Mon Oct 13 13:52:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: VOIP phones (Tweeks)
In-Reply-To: <20081013170005.B1B9F43E676@satlug.org>
References: <20081013170005.B1B9F43E676@satlug.org>
Message-ID: <A69185F15D247B4FAB28247785DBC4FD1C175F0A66@MSSAVS50.corp.valero.com>

>From: Tweeks <tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
>Subject: Re: [SATLUG] VOIP phones
>
>I'm also big on Vonage.. After their big legal flack (and their stock tanked),
>I even bought some stock... figuring that it could only go up.  Even in the
>current market, I'm not doing that bad..
>
>But about the technology and service.. I like it.. I have their never
>advertised $15/month (500minute) plan.  Even after taxes and any overages
>charges.. I still come in under $20/month!  Love it!  I run it over Time
>Warner RR ($20/month) and rarely have any probs.
>
>BTW.. If  you are relying on ANY digital phone though.. I would also recommend
>having a cell/mobile phone as a backup though.  If you lose power for a
>night/day, even and UPS will dies and leave you without phone communications.
>
>Tweeks
------------------------------

Hey Tom-

I'm curious as to what made you decide to use Vonage instead of another service provider.  From reviews I've read online, it sounds as if Vonage is pulling the same stunts telephone companies do- various fees, taxes, etc in addition to locked-in hardware.  $20 lasted me 3+ months @ SipPhone.com- no taxes or other "line" fees, only pay for the minutes I use.  I get buying the stock, though- potential for a great ROI. ~Jason
From satlug at net153.net  Mon Oct 13 16:11:29 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Mon Oct 13 16:11:31 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] VOIP phones
In-Reply-To: <48F10DD4.8040305@net153.net>
References: <7e4994a70810101457m52a0dfa4ode8b3c902bf09f83@mail.gmail.com>
	<48F10DD4.8040305@net153.net>
Message-ID: <48F3B981.1080001@net153.net>

The friend I am talking about is Andy: cagoodwin at gmail.com
I have been using him for about a year now at 1.5 cents a minute.  You 
will need asterisk or something similar to connect to him.

Sam


Samuel Leon wrote:
> I know of a few websites but I don't know of their credibility:
> http://www.sellvoip.net/NewRateForm.php
> http://carriers.icall.com/index.php
> http://www.termination.com/index.php
> http://voipstreet.com/faq.html
> https://vtwhite.com/reseller_signup_form.php
> http://www.iax.cc/show.php?go=services
> http://voicestick.com/Learn/Index.aspx
> http://exgn.net/index.php?p=services
> https://www.voipjet.com/index.php
> http://les.net
> 
> I also have a friend of a friend that I use for voip termination.  I 
> will ask him if he wants another customer :)
> 
> Sam
> 
> Cheryl Holmes wrote:
>> I'd like to see what people are using and recommending too because I'm
>> considering either getting a Cricket cell phone, (since I rarely 
>> travel out
>> of my area) and perhaps Cricket high speed wireless access later 
>> instead of
>> a landline myself...the pay as you go won't work for me because local 
>> calls
>> would cost too.
>>
>> My friend David has been using Vonnage (sp?) and despite the company 
>> legal
>> problems, he has awesome service with all the whistles and bells for
>> $24.95/month.
>>
>> I'm doing a little reanalysis of my phone needs myself..I reassess 
>> things a
>> few times annually...
>>
>> Thank you very much..cheryl
> 
> 

From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 12:35:30 2008
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Tue Oct 14 12:35:33 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Tweeks VOIP phones
Message-ID: <7e4994a70810141035s4514c669g5eb5d9cc0dd2fc04@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Tweeks for reminding me and us about this issue of having no phone in
the event of a power failure..that seems to happen a lot out here with the
severe weather we get normally so it is a definate issue that needs serious
consideration!

something else...is if you have a burglar alarm...well no more alarm system
with voip phone...alarms don't work with them..you will still need a
landline for an alarm system...my niece found that out the hard way...


taxes etc are very very high on cell phones and other services.  people like
me on disability or more poor like i am will have problems with those extra
few dollars...these companies really rip you off bigtime!

I couldn't afford a pay as you go phone..like so many cents per minute..for
me, metered service would end up costing me a fortune...with incoming and
outgoing calls including local calls...cheryl
From justin.burdette at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 13:53:28 2008
From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette)
Date: Tue Oct 14 13:53:30 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Tweeks VOIP phones
In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70810141035s4514c669g5eb5d9cc0dd2fc04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e4994a70810141035s4514c669g5eb5d9cc0dd2fc04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a66fec530810141153q38569995wcaa253e8a57abf0e@mail.gmail.com>

As someone who works in the security industry, I'll back up the comments on
VOIP and alarm systems. I work in a monitoring station and hear about it
every day from customers and technicians.

On 10/14/08, Cheryl Holmes <cherylholmes72@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> thanks Tweeks for reminding me and us about this issue of having no phone
> in
> the event of a power failure..that seems to happen a lot out here with the
> severe weather we get normally so it is a definate issue that needs serious
> consideration!
>
> something else...is if you have a burglar alarm...well no more alarm system
> with voip phone...alarms don't work with them..you will still need a
> landline for an alarm system...my niece found that out the hard way...
>
>
> taxes etc are very very high on cell phones and other services.  people
> like
> me on disability or more poor like i am will have problems with those extra
> few dollars...these companies really rip you off bigtime!
>
> I couldn't afford a pay as you go phone..like so many cents per minute..for
> me, metered service would end up costing me a fortune...with incoming and
> outgoing calls including local calls...cheryl
>
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From twistedpickles at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 17:59:02 2008
From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles)
Date: Tue Oct 14 17:59:04 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] PCMCIA or USB Network adapter
Message-ID: <a0df4bc40810141559p7cdcf4a4h55e0a9c60feb5273@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for a PCMCIA or USB network (wired) adapter for linux. Can you make
some recommendations?




::twistedPickles:: :
From siffland at nerdshack.com  Tue Oct 14 18:58:48 2008
From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I)
Date: Tue Oct 14 18:58:51 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] PCMCIA or USB Network adapter
In-Reply-To: <a0df4bc40810141559p7cdcf4a4h55e0a9c60feb5273@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0df4bc40810141559p7cdcf4a4h55e0a9c60feb5273@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ae131d00810141658o78e03217y9d58682431059ff5@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:59 PM, twistedpickles
<twistedpickles@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking for a PCMCIA or USB network (wired) adapter for linux. Can you make
> some recommendations?
>
>
>
>
> ::twistedPickles:: :
> --
> _______________________________________________


I have a dlink dfe-690txd 10/100 pcmcia card, there is no version of
Linux or BSD that did not recognise it straight away.  They are also
cheap on e-bay

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=dlink+dfe-690txd&_sacat=See-All-Categories

I have had mine for about 5 years now and it has never ever ever let
me down.  If this one died i would buy the same card.

Sean
From mckinneyb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 21:43:26 2008
From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney)
Date: Tue Oct 14 21:43:31 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] PCMCIA or USB Network adapter
In-Reply-To: <a0df4bc40810141559p7cdcf4a4h55e0a9c60feb5273@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0df4bc40810141559p7cdcf4a4h55e0a9c60feb5273@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0c9fceb0810141943q3707d456w67686cd9bbad5422@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:59 PM, twistedpickles
<twistedpickles@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking for a PCMCIA or USB network (wired) adapter for linux. Can you make
> some recommendations?

I recommend the ALFA Network Wireless USB adapter.  Model #AWUS036H to
be exact since it uses the RTL8187 chipset.  It's worked out of the
box on every linux distro I've tried it on, also comes with
linux/windows/mac drivers if needed, a removable 2DBi antenna and
supports packet injection :)

The only downside is it requires 2 usb power ports.




>
>
>
>
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From satlug at net153.net  Tue Oct 14 22:05:53 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Tue Oct 14 22:05:55 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Debian / Firefox
In-Reply-To: <48F55B26.3030305@comcast.net>
References: <48F55B26.3030305@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48F55E11.3030806@net153.net>

Ian L. Target wrote:
> I have decided to check out Debian (again) because, among other reasons
> Kubuntu 8.10 is going to KDE 4.  I have never used KDE 4, but I hear
> only negative things about it.  I know Debian defaults to Gnome, but I
> installed KDE and it works fine.  And since Debian is only at KDE 3.5.5,
> I think it KDE 3.* will be supported on Debian longer than it will be on
> Kubuntu.
> 
> Now the issue (sorry for being so long winded):
> 
> This is /really/ trivial I know but it drives me crazy (yes, a short
> drive.)  Debian uses Iceweasel and Icedove and yes I know the only thing
> different is the logo, but I still want to use Firefox.  I downloaded
> Firefox and installed it in /usr/local.  When I try and run it, it says
> that it can not find libmozjs.so and libstdc++.so.5.  These files are
> installed, I think in /usr/bin/iceweasel, something.  How do I get
> Firefox to run?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ian
> 


Hmm looks like there is more than one: 
http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libmozjs.so&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any

Sam
From mckinneyb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 22:55:20 2008
From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney)
Date: Tue Oct 14 22:55:22 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Debian / Firefox
In-Reply-To: <48F55B26.3030305@comcast.net>
References: <48F55B26.3030305@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f0c9fceb0810142055g9759a5eq1863470be6f594d8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Ian L. Target <ian69@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have decided to check out Debian (again) because, among other reasons
> Kubuntu 8.10 is going to KDE 4.  I have never used KDE 4, but I hear
> only negative things about it.  I know Debian defaults to Gnome, but I
> installed KDE and it works fine.  And since Debian is only at KDE 3.5.5,
> I think it KDE 3.* will be supported on Debian longer than it will be on
> Kubuntu.
>
> Now the issue (sorry for being so long winded):
>
> This is /really/ trivial I know but it drives me crazy (yes, a short
> drive.)  Debian uses Iceweasel and Icedove and yes I know the only thing
> different is the logo, but I still want to use Firefox.  I downloaded
> Firefox and installed it in /usr/local.  When I try and run it, it says
> that it can not find libmozjs.so and libstdc++.so.5.  These files are
> installed, I think in /usr/bin/iceweasel, something.  How do I get
> Firefox to run?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ian
>

you could try adding /usr/bin/iceweasel to /etc/ld.so.conf and running
ldconfig to update your library path.



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From twistedpickles at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 23:18:31 2008
From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles)
Date: Tue Oct 14 23:18:34 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] PCMCIA or USB Network adapter
In-Reply-To: <f0c9fceb0810141943q3707d456w67686cd9bbad5422@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0df4bc40810141559p7cdcf4a4h55e0a9c60feb5273@mail.gmail.com>
	<f0c9fceb0810141943q3707d456w67686cd9bbad5422@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a0df4bc40810142118o54a3292bye5dacb2818fc2546@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.
::twistedPickles:: :
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 12:49:38 2008
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Wed Oct 15 12:49:40 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] network adapter
Message-ID: <7e4994a70810151049w329dac93k6c3334c69a30aa07@mail.gmail.com>

I use dlink too..never had problems with it...on linux...
and they are very cheap...bought moms at dell's website for like 10.00 abt 3
years ago..but also try ebay...

cheryl
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From twistedpickles at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:25:38 2008
From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles)
Date: Wed Oct 15 14:25:40 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Network + VPN question
Message-ID: <a0df4bc40810151225x2f80ec58ia5129587415ea365@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if maybe someone can give me some insight to a problem I am
having.

When I VPN into the office and I am on a local network with similar class
range as the office i.e. Private Class A I have trouble accessing resources.
It's usually a DNS issue. Because I can ping machines on the other side.
This is even if the network or subnet is different form our office. When I
connect from a local area network that uses a different private class range
everything works as it should.

Any thoughts?



::twistedPickles:: :
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Wed Oct 15 23:12:10 2008
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Wed Oct 15 23:12:23 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: VOIP phones (Tweeks)
In-Reply-To: <A69185F15D247B4FAB28247785DBC4FD1C175F0A66@MSSAVS50.corp.valero.com>
References: <20081013170005.B1B9F43E676@satlug.org>
	<A69185F15D247B4FAB28247785DBC4FD1C175F0A66@MSSAVS50.corp.valero.com>
Message-ID: <200810152312.10200.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Monday 13 October 2008 01:52:33 pm George, Jason (San Antonio) wrote:
[...]
> I'm curious as to what made you decide to use Vonage instead of another
> service provider.  From reviews I've read online, it sounds as if Vonage is
> pulling the same stunts telephone companies do- various fees, taxes, etc in
> addition to locked-in hardware.

Most all of them put those fees in there now.  But my goal was to get my basic 
phone bill under $20/month without having to run my own asterisk system. And 
that's what I did.  All this while TW digital phone was still like $40!  I 
would still switch to Vonage today.  Also.. never really had any hardware 
probs..

Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Wed Oct 15 23:19:48 2008
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Wed Oct 15 23:20:08 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Network + VPN question
In-Reply-To: <a0df4bc40810151225x2f80ec58ia5129587415ea365@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0df4bc40810151225x2f80ec58ia5129587415ea365@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810152319.49090.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

On Wednesday 15 October 2008 02:25:38 pm twistedpickles wrote:
> I was wondering if maybe someone can give me some insight to a problem I am
> having.
>
> When I VPN into the office and I am on a local network with similar class
> range as the office i.e. Private Class A I have trouble accessing
> resources.

Make sure that your subnet is set tightly enough so that the traffic to the 
office (afterstarting he VPN) will be sent to your gateway to access the 
office machines.  For example.. if your home LAN is 192.168.0.x and your 
office LAN is 192.168.16.x, but your netmask is set too loosely to 
255.255.0.0, then traffic will never be directed to your gateway to MAKE it 
to you office LAN.  Also.. check the output of "route" to ensure that your 
VPN is setting up your route correctly to route to your tun: (or equiv) 
virtual VPN interface.

I've found both issues to be to blame in poorly set up configs.. or even more 
common.. that the home LAN and office LAN are using the SAME network and 
traffic also never makes it off your LAN to the office LAN.  That can do 
several strange things depending on your networking gear setup.

Anyone else seen this problem before?

Tweeks
From j at jvpappas.net  Thu Oct 16 11:48:18 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Thu Oct 16 11:48:20 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Network + VPN question
In-Reply-To: <200810152319.49090.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <a0df4bc40810151225x2f80ec58ia5129587415ea365@mail.gmail.com>
	<200810152319.49090.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450810160948y19c8b0bag42c774e938a6fbe8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 23:19, Tweeks <tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 15 October 2008 02:25:38 pm twistedpickles wrote:
> > When I VPN into the office and I am on a local network with similar class
> > range as the office i.e. Private Class A I have trouble accessing
> > resources.
>
> Make sure that your subnet is set tightly enough so that the traffic to the
> office (afterstarting he VPN) will be sent to your gateway to access the
> office machines.


There is not a lot of detail here, but the VPN type makes a difference, as
would DNS (if the "resources" are name-resolved), so here are my thoughts:

I assume the local VPN client pulls down an IP that should be on the remote
LAN (did not sound like a GW->GW VPN scenario).  Some VPN clients have
policies that remove access to the local network while they are connected
(ie Cisco) so in that case, your system has logically been consumed by
remote network.  IN some cases (pptp) you can specify which gateway to use.


>  Also.. check the output of "route" to ensure that your
> VPN is setting up your route correctly to route to your tun: (or equiv)
> virtual VPN interface.


Along with `route -n` (or route print in wondows) I would figure out which
DNS system you are using for name resolution, further, if the DNS is split
horizon or other such thing, this is slightly more complicated.

So to troubleshoot:

   1. Route - make sure that your routing allows for full communication
   2. Ping/Traceroute - Use to verify routing
   3. ipconfig/resolv.conf - make sure that the names are being looked for
   in the right places
   4. nslookup/dig - verify that the names are being resolved properly.

During troubleshooting, use only IPs first, and then move to FQDN to
eliminate DNS resolution issues, just so that you can make sure that your
traffic is traversing the network properly.


> I've found both issues to be to blame in poorly set up configs.. or even
> more
> common.. that the home LAN and office LAN are using the SAME network and
> traffic also never makes it off your LAN to the office LAN.  That can do
> several strange things depending on your networking gear setup.
>

Yep, the 192.168.x.0/24 has a much higher probabliltiy of collision than a
more random (10.231.x.0/24) network selection, especially if you roam from
Wifi hotspot to another.  Also, some networks will not let VPN traffic leave
the network (ie VPN -> Remote Net -> Internet), usually this is a firewall
misconfig rather than intent, but sometimes...


> Anyone else seen this problem before?
>

Probably, but I am not 100% sure what the problem is, more information would
certainly help diagnose and pinpoint the problem.

HTH,
jp
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Thu Oct 16 21:21:56 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Thu Oct 16 21:17:12 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] GPS
Message-ID: <200810170221.m9H2Lu0x021387@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

Can anyone recommend a low-cost, basic portable GPS receiver that allows
me to log latitude and longitude and then download the information onto
Linux. I don't need street/navigation packages etc, just the basic longitude and
latitude position. I'd like to hear your experiences with such a device,
if you can share some. Compatibility with google earth would be nice.

Thanks, -b.
From glenn.toothman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 08:26:34 2008
From: glenn.toothman at gmail.com (country)
Date: Fri Oct 17 08:26:36 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] GPS
In-Reply-To: <200810170221.m9H2Lu0x021387@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200810170221.m9H2Lu0x021387@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <294cd3d10810170626q18574c99pfc8e322c4c5dd53c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure, but think most of the GPS systems have that capability.  I
have a Mio C320 and can get the exact coordinates on a screen, as well as
input exact coordinates for location to procede.  Most of the systems have
this capability and some are used to play the geo treasure seaking thingie..



On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Borries Demeler <
demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a low-cost, basic portable GPS receiver that allows
> me to log latitude and longitude and then download the information onto
> Linux. I don't need street/navigation packages etc, just the basic
> longitude and
> latitude position. I'd like to hear your experiences with such a device,
> if you can share some. Compatibility with google earth would be nice.
>
> Thanks, -b.
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From mckinneyb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 09:23:25 2008
From: mckinneyb at gmail.com (Brian McKinney)
Date: Fri Oct 17 09:23:28 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] GPS
In-Reply-To: <200810170221.m9H2Lu0x021387@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200810170221.m9H2Lu0x021387@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <f0c9fceb0810170723t73a1a868ice1e5336983f321b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Borries Demeler
<demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a low-cost, basic portable GPS receiver that allows
> me to log latitude and longitude and then download the information onto
> Linux. I don't need street/navigation packages etc, just the basic longitude and
> latitude position. I'd like to hear your experiences with such a device,
> if you can share some. Compatibility with google earth would be nice.
>
> Thanks, -b.

I'm not sure if you're looking for a GPS device or Linux software to
interact with it, but I found a decent resource for the latter.

http://tuxmobil.org/linux_gps_navigation_applications.html



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From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Fri Oct 17 11:38:07 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Fri Oct 17 11:33:20 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] GPS
In-Reply-To: <f0c9fceb0810170723t73a1a868ice1e5336983f321b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810171638.m9HGc7BO005678@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

> 
> I'm not sure if you're looking for a GPS device or Linux software to
> interact with it, but I found a decent resource for the latter.
> 
> http://tuxmobil.org/linux_gps_navigation_applications.html

Thanks! This is a very helpful link!

-Borries
From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu  Fri Oct 17 12:20:15 2008
From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell)
Date: Fri Oct 17 12:20:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Dumb ThuderBird/SeaMonkey Mail question
Message-ID: <48F8C94F.6050403@cis.sac.accd.edu>

First thanks Brian for the GPS reference. One of the only reasons I keep 
XP on an old box it to work with my Garmins.

I have SeaMonkey mail and it is perfect for me but it just started to 
not show attachments in the attachments box, unless I double click the 
email and it goes full screen, then the attachment shows. I did not 
change anything in my system, that I can Remember...., and google and 
the SeaMonkey help doesn't not address the problem. I would think it 
was  a setting some where that was changed but I can't find it. If this 
was XP I'd backout the latest "fix" but their have been no "upgrades or 
patches" applied to my Linux lately. Thanks for the help.

BTW if this is really something simple or stupid on my part give me 
"flames from Hell".

Boz

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From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Sat Oct 18 02:04:17 2008
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Sat Oct 18 02:04:24 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Cool XCSSA.ORG meeting this month!
Message-ID: <200810180204.18117.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

Hey all.. 
Just a shameless little cross-post for my group..

If you've heard that XCSSA is branching out a bit and getting into 
microcontroller nandhd hardware design hacking.. well you are well informed.  
And this month is a great month to peek in to see what's going on.  We have:

	* An intro level electronics disign and PCB fabrication HOWTO presentation
	* PC/C=64/1541 floppy cloning experimentation
	* Goofing around with a 25,000 volt plasma arc transformer
	* Demo of a DIY 64x32 LED matrix, microcontroller pong game
	* Hacking Play Station 2's to run off memory cards

Oh.. and do all this while gnoshing on pizza in our three hour (7-10pm) 
meetings.  Fun schtuff.. ;)

More info here:
	http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-10-20.html#NEXT

And a map to the SAC NTC (where we hold the meeting) is here:
	http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-10-20.html#MAP


Fun fun!  Maybe we'll see you there!

Come, Learn, Graze...

Tweeks
President of XCSSA.ORG
From hugelandmonster at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 14:58:23 2008
From: hugelandmonster at gmail.com (Michael Lloyd)
Date: Sat Oct 18 14:58:29 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Does my HDD raid setup need improvement?
Message-ID: <67186cf50810181258k31c24f39t360041cef4c833de@mail.gmail.com>

My current computer set up is:

Hardware
CPU = Intel Q6600 @ 3.2ghz -- idles at 31c
Mobo = EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX
Mem = 4gb (4x1) DDR2 800mhz ( pair of CORSAIR XMS2 and PNY XLR8)
GPU = Nvidia 8800 GTS 640mb -- 54c
HDD = Raid 0 -- HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA
3.0Gb/s Hard Drive  -- 29c
HDD  = back up SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive -- 21c
CPU Cooler = After market air cooler -- ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm
Case = Antec Nine Hundred

Software
Dual Boot Winblows Ulimate x64 & Ubuntu 8.04 x64
Ubuntu is the only OS in Raid 0.

When originally installing Windblows, it BSOD with raid(mobo fake
raid), 4 sticks of ram, and GPU driver.   When
installing had to remove raid and ram sticks to update OS first; then
had to update GPU driver;  Could not get it to boot other wise.

I don't think my setup is best.   Using linux software raid.  I would
like to have performance and back up on my HDD's.  I didn't go with
raid 5 cause I don't know how to restore in case failure occurs.  I
manually copy files onto the 500gb spare drive; I tried sbackup app
not working right as far as I can tell.  Does my set up need
improvement?  What do you guys recommend?  I would like performance.
I am willing to spend a few bucks to make improvements (add HDD's) if
necessary.

2 -750gb are partitioned --  500gb off of each for raid 0, 50mb off of
each for boot (wouldn't let me have it in raid 0), 250 gb off one for
Vista, and a 250gb blank ext3.
1 500GB is my manual backup.


mike@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l
[sudo] password for mike:

Disk /dev/sda: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x936d138a

  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1               1       31865   255955581   83  Linux
/dev/sda2   *       91196       91201       48195   fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/sda3           31866       91195   476568225   fd  Linux raid autodetect

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdb: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xd952c54c

  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *           1       31871   256000000    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sdb2           91196       91201       48195   fd  Linux raid autodetect
/dev/sdb3           31872       91195   476520030   fd  Linux raid autodetect

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdc: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x9f91ce44

  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1               1       60801   488384001   83  Linux

Disk /dev/md1: 49 MB, 49283072 bytes
2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 12032 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table

Disk /dev/md0: 975.9 GB, 975962177536 bytes
2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 238272016 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Sat Oct 18 15:34:49 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Sat Oct 18 15:29:57 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Does my HDD raid setup need improvement?
In-Reply-To: <67186cf50810181258k31c24f39t360041cef4c833de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810182034.m9IKYnwA012755@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

With so much horsepower & space I wouldn't worry about giving up a bit of performance
and would set up the sda and sdb partitions as RAID1. You pay a bit of a performance
penalty for peace of mind. Alternatively you could run RAID 5 if you make 3 500 GB
partitions and include them in your RAID setup.

Nice box! I wished I had one like this :-) How many watts does that PS suck up?

-b.
> 
> My current computer set up is:
> 
> Hardware
> CPU = Intel Q6600 @ 3.2ghz -- idles at 31c
> Mobo = EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX
> Mem = 4gb (4x1) DDR2 800mhz ( pair of CORSAIR XMS2 and PNY XLR8)
> GPU = Nvidia 8800 GTS 640mb -- 54c
> HDD = Raid 0 -- HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA
> 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive  -- 29c
> HDD  = back up SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
> SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive -- 21c
> CPU Cooler = After market air cooler -- ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm
> Case = Antec Nine Hundred
> 
> Software
> Dual Boot Winblows Ulimate x64 & Ubuntu 8.04 x64
> Ubuntu is the only OS in Raid 0.
> 
> When originally installing Windblows, it BSOD with raid(mobo fake
> raid), 4 sticks of ram, and GPU driver.   When
> installing had to remove raid and ram sticks to update OS first; then
> had to update GPU driver;  Could not get it to boot other wise.
> 
> I don't think my setup is best.   Using linux software raid.  I would
> like to have performance and back up on my HDD's.  I didn't go with
> raid 5 cause I don't know how to restore in case failure occurs.  I
> manually copy files onto the 500gb spare drive; I tried sbackup app
> not working right as far as I can tell.  Does my set up need
> improvement?  What do you guys recommend?  I would like performance.
> I am willing to spend a few bucks to make improvements (add HDD's) if
> necessary.
> 
> 2 -750gb are partitioned --  500gb off of each for raid 0, 50mb off of
> each for boot (wouldn't let me have it in raid 0), 250 gb off one for
> Vista, and a 250gb blank ext3.
> 1 500GB is my manual backup.
> 
> 
> mike@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l
> [sudo] password for mike:
> 
> Disk /dev/sda: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x936d138a
> 
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1               1       31865   255955581   83  Linux
> /dev/sda2   *       91196       91201       48195   fd  Linux raid autodetect
> /dev/sda3           31866       91195   476568225   fd  Linux raid autodetect
> 
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
> 
> Disk /dev/sdb: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0xd952c54c
> 
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1   *           1       31871   256000000    7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sdb2           91196       91201       48195   fd  Linux raid autodetect
> /dev/sdb3           31872       91195   476520030   fd  Linux raid autodetect
> 
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
> 
> Disk /dev/sdc: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x9f91ce44
> 
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdc1               1       60801   488384001   83  Linux
> 
> Disk /dev/md1: 49 MB, 49283072 bytes
> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 12032 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
> 
> Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
> 
> Disk /dev/md0: 975.9 GB, 975962177536 bytes
> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 238272016 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
> 
> Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
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From good_bye300 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 00:50:10 2008
From: good_bye300 at yahoo.com (Chris Lemire)
Date: Sun Oct 19 00:50:15 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Does my HDD raid setup need improvement?
Message-ID: <897247.71306.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





----- Original Message ----
From: Borries Demeler <demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
To: satlug@satlug.org
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:34:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Does my HDD raid setup need improvement?

With so much horsepower & space I wouldn't worry about giving up a bit of performance
and would set up the sda and sdb partitions as RAID1. You pay a bit of a performance
penalty for peace of mind. Alternatively you could run RAID 5 if you make 3 500 GB
partitions and include them in your RAID setup.

Nice box! I wished I had one like this :-) How many watts does that PS suck up?

-b.
> 
> My current computer set up is:
> 
> Hardware
> CPU = Intel Q6600 @ 3.2ghz -- idles at 31c
> Mobo = EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX
> Mem = 4gb (4x1) DDR2 800mhz ( pair of CORSAIR XMS2 and PNY XLR8)
> GPU = Nvidia 8800 GTS 640mb -- 54c
> HDD = Raid 0 -- HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA
> 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive? -- 29c
> HDD? = back up SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
> SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive -- 21c
> CPU Cooler = After market air cooler -- ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm
> Case = Antec Nine Hundred
> 
> Software
> Dual Boot Winblows Ulimate x64 & Ubuntu 8.04 x64
> Ubuntu is the only OS in Raid 0.
> 
> When originally installing Windblows, it BSOD with raid(mobo fake
> raid), 4 sticks of ram, and GPU driver.? When
> installing had to remove raid and ram sticks to update OS first; then
> had to update GPU driver;? Could not get it to boot other wise.
> 
> I don't think my setup is best.? Using linux software raid.? I would
> like to have performance and back up on my HDD's.? I didn't go with
> raid 5 cause I don't know how to restore in case failure occurs.? I
> manually copy files onto the 500gb spare drive; I tried sbackup app
> not working right as far as I can tell.? Does my set up need
> improvement?? What do you guys recommend?? I would like performance.
> I am willing to spend a few bucks to make improvements (add HDD's) if
> necessary.
> 
> 2 -750gb are partitioned --? 500gb off of each for raid 0, 50mb off of
> each for boot (wouldn't let me have it in raid 0), 250 gb off one for
> Vista, and a 250gb blank ext3.
> 1 500GB is my manual backup.
> 
> 
> mike@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l
> [sudo] password for mike:
> 
> Disk /dev/sda: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x936d138a
> 
>? Device Boot? ? ? Start? ? ? ? End? ? ? Blocks? Id? System
> /dev/sda1? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1? ? ? 31865? 255955581? 83? Linux
> /dev/sda2? *? ? ? 91196? ? ? 91201? ? ? 48195? fd? Linux raid autodetect
> /dev/sda3? ? ? ? ? 31866? ? ? 91195? 476568225? fd? Linux raid autodetect
> 
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
> 
> Disk /dev/sdb: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0xd952c54c
> 
>? Device Boot? ? ? Start? ? ? ? End? ? ? Blocks? Id? System
> /dev/sdb1? *? ? ? ? ? 1? ? ? 31871? 256000000? ? 7? HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sdb2? ? ? ? ? 91196? ? ? 91201? ? ? 48195? fd? Linux raid autodetect
> /dev/sdb3? ? ? ? ? 31872? ? ? 91195? 476520030? fd? Linux raid autodetect
> 
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
> 
> Disk /dev/sdc: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x9f91ce44
> 
>? Device Boot? ? ? Start? ? ? ? End? ? ? Blocks? Id? System
> /dev/sdc1? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1? ? ? 60801? 488384001? 83? Linux
> 
> Disk /dev/md1: 49 MB, 49283072 bytes
> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 12032 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
> 
> Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
> 
> Disk /dev/md0: 975.9 GB, 975962177536 bytes
> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 238272016 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
> 
> Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
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If you want performance, you should be aware that having 4 sticks of memory gives you more latency, 2T (Timing). It's better to have 2x2gb sticks than 4x1gb sticks. I think the ultimate raid is supposed to be raid10, gives you the best of both worlds with a minimum of 4 hard drives. That's what I plan on eventually when I have 2 more drives. Right now I have raid1 because I only have 2 drives.

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From buckmiester35 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 15:26:02 2008
From: buckmiester35 at gmail.com (K. Reginald Buckner)
Date: Sun Oct 19 15:26:05 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: How to connect to wifi access points in Linux
Message-ID: <a0c580f0810191326u4f02e718y5b9534d4b068ea96@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know how to connect to wifi access points in Linux. I use mostly
Open Suse
11 and Ubuntu Hardy. Well I have both wifi radar and kwifimanager but I
cannot see the access points when I visit Burger King or on campus at San
Antonio College. I know that
airport card in Mac OS X (iMAC) has no problem picking up the signal and my
college amigos can do the same with Vista based notebooks. Wny does Mac and
Windows seem to do wifi easy but Linux there is so much tweaking?

Reggie B
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Sun Oct 19 15:45:24 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Sun Oct 19 15:40:40 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: How to connect to wifi access points in Linux
In-Reply-To: <a0c580f0810191326u4f02e718y5b9534d4b068ea96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810192045.m9JKjOmK018124@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

> 
> Does anyone know how to connect to wifi access points in Linux. I use mostly
> Open Suse
> 11 and Ubuntu Hardy. Well I have both wifi radar and kwifimanager but I
> cannot see the access points when I visit Burger King or on campus at San
> Antonio College. I know that
> airport card in Mac OS X (iMAC) has no problem picking up the signal and my
> college amigos can do the same with Vista based notebooks. Wny does Mac and
> Windows seem to do wifi easy but Linux there is so much tweaking?
> 
> Reggie B

Here is how I do it - as root I issue:

iwlist eth1 scan

This is assuming that eth1 is your wireless interface, and that the
accesspoint actually broadcasts it's name. If you have a different device,
replace eth1 with your wireless interface.

When you issue this command, you will then get a listing of the wireless
sites that exist in your neighborhood.

To connect, you will have to set a few parameters:

iwconfig eth1 essid "ChoiceOfEssID" key "keyIfNotOpen"

After setting this, I just issue:

dhcpcd eth1

to get an IP address.

good luck, -borries.

From satlug at net153.net  Sun Oct 19 16:07:34 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Sun Oct 19 16:07:38 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Does my HDD raid setup need improvement?
In-Reply-To: <67186cf50810181258k31c24f39t360041cef4c833de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <67186cf50810181258k31c24f39t360041cef4c833de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FBA196.7080506@net153.net>

Michael Lloyd wrote:
> My current computer set up is:
> 
> Hardware
> CPU = Intel Q6600 @ 3.2ghz -- idles at 31c
> Mobo = EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX
> Mem = 4gb (4x1) DDR2 800mhz ( pair of CORSAIR XMS2 and PNY XLR8)
> GPU = Nvidia 8800 GTS 640mb -- 54c
> HDD = Raid 0 -- HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA
> 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive  -- 29c
> HDD  = back up SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
> SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive -- 21c
> CPU Cooler = After market air cooler -- ZEROtherm Nirvana NV120 120mm
> Case = Antec Nine Hundred
> 
> Software
> Dual Boot Winblows Ulimate x64 & Ubuntu 8.04 x64
> Ubuntu is the only OS in Raid 0.
> 
> When originally installing Windblows, it BSOD with raid(mobo fake
> raid), 4 sticks of ram, and GPU driver.   When
> installing had to remove raid and ram sticks to update OS first; then
> had to update GPU driver;  Could not get it to boot other wise.
> 
> I don't think my setup is best.   Using linux software raid.  I would
> like to have performance and back up on my HDD's.  I didn't go with
> raid 5 cause I don't know how to restore in case failure occurs.  I
> manually copy files onto the 500gb spare drive; I tried sbackup app
> not working right as far as I can tell.  Does my set up need
> improvement?  What do you guys recommend?  I would like performance.
> I am willing to spend a few bucks to make improvements (add HDD's) if
> necessary.
> 
> 2 -750gb are partitioned --  500gb off of each for raid 0, 50mb off of
> each for boot (wouldn't let me have it in raid 0), 250 gb off one for
> Vista, and a 250gb blank ext3.
> 1 500GB is my manual backup.
> 
> 
> mike@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l
> [sudo] password for mike:
> 
> Disk /dev/sda: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x936d138a
> 
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1               1       31865   255955581   83  Linux
> /dev/sda2   *       91196       91201       48195   fd  Linux raid autodetect
> /dev/sda3           31866       91195   476568225   fd  Linux raid autodetect
> 
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
> 
> Disk /dev/sdb: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0xd952c54c
> 
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1   *           1       31871   256000000    7  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/sdb2           91196       91201       48195   fd  Linux raid autodetect
> /dev/sdb3           31872       91195   476520030   fd  Linux raid autodetect
> 
> Partition table entries are not in disk order
> 
> Disk /dev/sdc: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x9f91ce44
> 
>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdc1               1       60801   488384001   83  Linux
> 
> Disk /dev/md1: 49 MB, 49283072 bytes
> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 12032 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
> 
> Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
> 
> Disk /dev/md0: 975.9 GB, 975962177536 bytes
> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 238272016 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
> 
> Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table


I guess as you know, raid is not a form of backup.  Your setup does not 
look bad.  Someone correct me if I am wrong, but raid0 is not always the 
fastest.  It is really only good at reading and writing very large files 
(like for video editing, etc).  Raid1 is slow at writing but the reads 
to each file are interlaced between the drives, ie if you request 2 or 
more files to be read at the same time, one will be read from sda and 
the other from sdb.  This can be verified by using the speed benchmark 
test of hdparm.

First run the 2 speed tests simultaneously against a raid1 device:

betty:~# hdparm -t /dev/md0 & hdparm -t /dev/md0

/dev/md0:
Timing buffered disk reads: 222 MB in  3.00 seconds =  73.94 MB/sec
/dev/md0:
Timing buffered disk reads: 222 MB in  3.03 seconds =  73.35 MB/sec


And then do the same test against a block device from the raid1:

betty:~# hdparm -t /dev/sda & hdparm -t /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
  Timing buffered disk reads:  140 MB in  3.01 seconds =  46.46 MB/sec
/dev/sda:
  Timing buffered disk reads:  140 MB in  3.12 seconds =  44.94 MB/sec

So as you can see from the first test, the raid device md0 obviously 
sent each one of the 2 read requests to a separate drive.  I don't have 
a raid0 to test, but you would have seen a similar effect of its read 
speed getting cut in half upon 2 read requests.  The best of both worlds 
would be raid10

Now on to backup.  I like rsync, it is done at command line and is very 
easy (and also very easy to screw stuff up if you are using one of the 
--delete options)

Man page: http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/rsync/

For example:

rsync -av --stats --progress / /home/storage --exclude=/dev/ 
--exclude=/proc/ --exclude=/sys/ --exclude=/home/storage/

That will take your / and copy it to /home/storage, and exclude a couple 
of directories that you don't need to copy.  The next time you run it, 
instead of copying all the files again it will only copy the files that 
are new or have been modified.

I usually run mine with the argument --delete-before so that if a file 
is deleted from / it will also be deleted from the backup directory the 
next time it is ran.  You just have to be careful when you use those 
options, it is a good idea to test with the dry mode -n first to make 
sure you aren't going to delete your whole hard drive or something.

Sam
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 01:09:04 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Mon Oct 20 01:09:00 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: How to connect to wifi access points in Linux
In-Reply-To: <a0c580f0810191326u4f02e718y5b9534d4b068ea96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0c580f0810191326u4f02e718y5b9534d4b068ea96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FC2080.5040900@gmail.com>



K. Reginald Buckner wrote:
> Does anyone know how to connect to wifi access points in Linux. I use mostly Open Suse 11 and Ubuntu Hardy. Well I have both wifi radar and kwifimanager but I cannot see the access points when I visit Burger King or on campus at San Antonio College. I know that airport card in Mac OS X (iMAC) has no problem picking up the signal and my college amigos can do the same with Vista based notebooks. Wny does Mac and Windows seem to do wifi easy but Linux there is so much tweaking?
>
> Reggie B
>   
I've had similar problems, and we discussed them in here a while ago,
but we never fully reached a resolution.  I use Ubuntu Hardy on my
laptop, and Wifi works just fine for me at home, at the LOCC, anywhere
-- /except/ at /any/ ACCD facility (Palo Alto campus, SAC campus, the
ATC).  I haven't tried at Burger King, but it works fine at McDonald's,
IHOP, and at Valvoline and Quick Lube sites.

Can we possible revive this topic and push for some answers?

Cheers;
Ed

From jdchoate at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 02:16:47 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Mon Oct 20 02:17:14 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: How to connect to wifi access points in Linux
In-Reply-To: <a0c580f0810191326u4f02e718y5b9534d4b068ea96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0c580f0810191326u4f02e718y5b9534d4b068ea96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810200216.47551.jdchoate@gmail.com>

On Sunday 19 October 2008 15:26:02 K. Reginald Buckner wrote:
> Does anyone know how to connect to wifi access points in Linux. I use
> mostly Open Suse
> 11 and Ubuntu Hardy. Well I have both wifi radar and kwifimanager but I
> cannot see the access points when I visit Burger King or on campus at San
> Antonio College. I know that
> airport card in Mac OS X (iMAC) has no problem picking up the signal and my
> college amigos can do the same with Vista based notebooks. Wny does Mac and
> Windows seem to do wifi easy but Linux there is so much tweaking?
>
> Reggie B

It sounds like you need firmware installed for your wireless device. Sometimes 
this is easy, sometimes not. Depending on which wireless device is in the 
laptop, it may be as easy as installing a package. Or you may need to get a 
driver package and then use a firmware 'cutting' utility to cut the firmware 
from the driver and place it where it needs to go (/lib/firmware).
For instance, my HP laptop uses a Broadcom chipset (BCM4312)... if your laptop 
uses this, get on http://www.google.com/linux and search for 'bcm43xx 
firmware' and 'bcm43xx-fwcutter'. I don't have a link handy right now, but 
there is a page which provides links and instructions for getting this 
firmware installed in kernels 2.6.24 and 2.6.25+.
One easy solution is to get a Belkin USB wireless adapter.. Best Buy sells 
these and they use a firmware called ZD1211, which might already be 
installed. zd1211-firmware is a fairly common package so you should be able 
to get one of these working pretty easily.
Once proper firmware is in place, those hot sopts should show on the list 
quite readily.
From edcoates at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 14:54:23 2008
From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates)
Date: Mon Oct 20 14:54:26 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Troubleshooting Laptop Lockups
Message-ID: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I've got a problem with my laptop, and I'm looking for a little
guidance.  I've got a Gateway Solo5350 with 1.06 GHz processor, 1 GB
of RAM, and a 60GB hard drive.  It's currently dual boot with Windows
XP Home Edition, and Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy).  The problem is that the
laptop intermittently locks up in Ubuntu.  Usually, when I'm not doing
anything on the laptop, or waiting for updates to complete, or an
unattended process to finish.  I'll go back to check on the progress
and find the laptop locked up.  Nothing short of a powercycle fixes
the issue.  How can you troubleshoot something like this?  I know that
it can't be hardware because I can have the laptop booted into Windows
and it will run weeks on end with no lockups, but if booted into
Ubuntu, within hours it will wind up locked.

Ed
From jeremymann at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 15:32:03 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Mon Oct 20 15:32:07 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Troubleshooting Laptop Lockups
In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0810201332x3fcb1ebnf6bc8d24e3109820@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Ed Coates <edcoates@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've got a problem with my laptop, and I'm looking for a little
> guidance.  I've got a Gateway Solo5350 with 1.06 GHz processor, 1 GB
> of RAM, and a 60GB hard drive.  It's currently dual boot with Windows
> XP Home Edition, and Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy).  The problem is that the
> laptop intermittently locks up in Ubuntu.  Usually, when I'm not doing
> anything on the laptop, or waiting for updates to complete, or an
> unattended process to finish.  I'll go back to check on the progress
> and find the laptop locked up.  Nothing short of a powercycle fixes
> the issue.  How can you troubleshoot something like this?  I know that
> it can't be hardware because I can have the laptop booted into Windows
> and it will run weeks on end with no lockups, but if booted into
> Ubuntu, within hours it will wind up locked.

Ed, could you by chance have hibernation turned on under Ubuntu?



-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From mark at mccoyfam.net  Tue Oct 21 08:10:56 2008
From: mark at mccoyfam.net (Mark McCoy)
Date: Tue Oct 21 08:11:02 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Systems Analyst position available at UTSA
Message-ID: <52b0b33d0810210610n73ec4c5fie23fe61697fccf2b@mail.gmail.com>

We have an opening for a UNIX system admin, the title is Systems Analyst I.
The posting is open until 11/10/08, please apply if you are interested, or
if you know someone who may be interested, please forward the info on to
them.

www.utsajobs.com - look for req #20080693
From satlug at net153.net  Tue Oct 21 13:14:17 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Tue Oct 21 13:14:18 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
Message-ID: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>

Just recently St. Phillips only allows outgoing connections to 
destination ports 80 and 443 on their public wifi.  So that means no 
irc, no instant messaging, no email, and no SSH.  This can't be!  To my 
knowledge I only have 2 options, ssh or vpn.  I do have one remote 
server that has a free port 80 open so I can get ssh listening on that 
(to connect with ssh -D) or some kind of vpn software.  I am not sure 
which would be easier.  If I use vpn I would like to use ipsec but I 
don't have to.  I am also afraid that with vpn it would have to be tied 
in with the ip address on my laptop which might change subnets depending 
on which access point I am connected to at college.

What do yall think?

Sam
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Tue Oct 21 13:25:06 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Tue Oct 21 13:20:01 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
In-Reply-To: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>
Message-ID: <200810211825.m9LIP6hj001565@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

> 
> Just recently St. Phillips only allows outgoing connections to 
> destination ports 80 and 443 on their public wifi.  So that means no 
> irc, no instant messaging, no email, and no SSH.  This can't be!  To my 
> knowledge I only have 2 options, ssh or vpn.  I do have one remote 
> server that has a free port 80 open so I can get ssh listening on that 
> (to connect with ssh -D) or some kind of vpn software.  I am not sure 
> which would be easier.  If I use vpn I would like to use ipsec but I 
> don't have to.  I am also afraid that with vpn it would have to be tied 
> in with the ip address on my laptop which might change subnets depending 
> on which access point I am connected to at college.
> 
> What do yall think?

Argue with the administrators and tell them why you need these ports open
and why it doesn't represent a threat to them to have them open. You
can also ask them to open them on a case-by-case basis, let's say just
to your computer or server. They cannot interfere with the mission of
the school, which is what they are doing if they restrict your ability
to do research. That would be my line of argument.

-b.
From satlug at net153.net  Tue Oct 21 13:57:28 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Tue Oct 21 13:57:31 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
In-Reply-To: <200810211825.m9LIP6hj001565@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200810211825.m9LIP6hj001565@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <48FE2618.5080101@net153.net>

Borries Demeler wrote:
>> Just recently St. Phillips only allows outgoing connections to 
>> destination ports 80 and 443 on their public wifi.  So that means no 
>> irc, no instant messaging, no email, and no SSH.  This can't be!  To my 
>> knowledge I only have 2 options, ssh or vpn.  I do have one remote 
>> server that has a free port 80 open so I can get ssh listening on that 
>> (to connect with ssh -D) or some kind of vpn software.  I am not sure 
>> which would be easier.  If I use vpn I would like to use ipsec but I 
>> don't have to.  I am also afraid that with vpn it would have to be tied 
>> in with the ip address on my laptop which might change subnets depending 
>> on which access point I am connected to at college.
>>
>> What do yall think?
> 
> Argue with the administrators and tell them why you need these ports open
> and why it doesn't represent a threat to them to have them open. You
> can also ask them to open them on a case-by-case basis, let's say just
> to your computer or server. They cannot interfere with the mission of
> the school, which is what they are doing if they restrict your ability
> to do research. That would be my line of argument.
> 
> -b.


Yea I might send an email.  The problem is that it is not only St. 
Phillips that does this but also TSU, so I am going to have to try and 
convince 2 admins...

Sam
From jm at allensonthe.net  Tue Oct 21 14:04:08 2008
From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen)
Date: Tue Oct 21 14:04:11 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
In-Reply-To: <200810211825.m9LIP6hj001565@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>
	<200810211825.m9LIP6hj001565@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <f9562c2e0810211204s2a4f0f87kb9791e9befe23888@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 13:25, Borries Demeler
<demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Just recently St. Phillips only allows outgoing connections to
>> destination ports 80 and 443 on their public wifi.  So that means no
>> irc, no instant messaging, no email, and no SSH.  This can't be!  To my
>> knowledge I only have 2 options, ssh or vpn.  I do have one remote
>> server that has a free port 80 open so I can get ssh listening on that
>> (to connect with ssh -D) or some kind of vpn software.  I am not sure
>> which would be easier.  If I use vpn I would like to use ipsec but I
>> don't have to.  I am also afraid that with vpn it would have to be tied
>> in with the ip address on my laptop which might change subnets depending
>> on which access point I am connected to at college.
>>
>> What do yall think?
>
> Argue with the administrators and tell them why you need these ports open
> and why it doesn't represent a threat to them to have them open. You
> can also ask them to open them on a case-by-case basis, let's say just
> to your computer or server. They cannot interfere with the mission of
> the school, which is what they are doing if they restrict your ability
> to do research. That would be my line of argument.
>
> -b.
> --

I would certainly discuss with the administrators your situation.

However, I would disagree that allowing outbound SSH does not present a
threat.

SSH is great.  I use it every day.  But it can certainly be used to
bypass security filters and allow access to services that are intended
to be blocked, via it's incredibly powerful port forwarding features.

ssh -D9999 my.home.ip

will create a SOCKS proxy (not technically, of course) on my client
machine (localhost:9999) through which I can forward ALL internet
traffic.  Where IRC, IM, email, and certain websites were once blocked,
I now have full access -- without the additional protections of an IPSec
tunnel.  My machine can now be compromised via any of those services but
is still on the local network and can be used as a point of attack.

Alternatively,

ssh -R9999:my.company.server.ip:23 my.home.ip

will open an SSH tunnel to my house and forward connections made to port
9999 of my computer at home to port 23 at work.  I've now created a
remote access session back to work that is completely unmonitored and
relies soley on my personal home security.

Any good network administrator should be concerned about remote access
to their network that is outside his/her control.

I still recommend talking with the network admins about your situation,
but recognize they have a valid reason to deny access.  Perhaps they
will make an exception for your home IP if you have already established
their trust.

-- 
JM

/* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't
been much of a day.
-- John A. Wheeler */
From j at jvpappas.net  Tue Oct 21 14:35:06 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Tue Oct 21 14:35:08 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
In-Reply-To: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>
References: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450810211235h310a1931m3663ccf13d36c79@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 13:14, Samuel Leon <satlug@net153.net> wrote:

> Just recently St. Phillips only allows outgoing connections to destination
> ports 80 and 443 on their public wifi.  So that means no irc, no instant
> messaging, no email, and no SSH.  This can't be!  To my knowledge I only
> have 2 options, ssh or vpn.  I do have one remote server that has a free
> port 80 open so I can get ssh listening on that (to connect with ssh -D) or
> some kind of vpn software.  I am not sure which would be easier.  If I use
> vpn I would like to use ipsec but I don't have to.  I am also afraid that
> with vpn it would have to be tied in with the ip address on my laptop which
> might change subnets depending on which access point I am connected to at
> college.
>

This may not completely address your issue, but you could use Ulteo or
g.ho.st (http://g.ho.st/?language=en) for an online desktop via http/s
ports, then surf/email/etc from those systems.

I am not surprised that they block SSH.  That port makes it nearly trival to
bypass any perimeter security.  I use it all the time to tunnel to my
personal squid proxy so that I can have unfettered/unmonitored web access.
I usually do not need the other ports, as I try to keep all my services
web-accessible.  If I do need other things, I use SSH to tunnel NX to my
systems, then use the apps from there.

There are several SSL VPNs that could probably limit traffic to 80/443. For
example, OpenVPN can use a HTTP proxy for its work, so that would limit
"last-mile" ports to 80/443.

Good luck!
jp
From chmims at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 15:02:50 2008
From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims)
Date: Tue Oct 21 15:02:56 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Troubleshooting Laptop Lockups
In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e4edf580810211302s45198610h292eba399c45758c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Ed Coates <edcoates@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've got a problem with my laptop, and I'm looking for a little
> guidance.  I've got a Gateway Solo5350 with 1.06 GHz processor, 1 GB
> of RAM, and a 60GB hard drive.  It's currently dual boot with Windows
> XP Home Edition, and Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy).  The problem is that the
> laptop intermittently locks up in Ubuntu.  Usually, when I'm not doing
> anything on the laptop, or waiting for updates to complete, or an
> unattended process to finish.  I'll go back to check on the progress
> and find the laptop locked up.  Nothing short of a powercycle fixes
> the issue.  How can you troubleshoot something like this?  I know that
> it can't be hardware because I can have the laptop booted into Windows
> and it will run weeks on end with no lockups, but if booted into
> Ubuntu, within hours it will wind up locked.
>
> Ed

When ever I turn on visual effect in Ubuntu it starts locking up on me.

Charles

> --
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From brad at shub-internet.org  Tue Oct 21 15:07:47 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue Oct 21 15:07:53 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450810211235h310a1931m3663ccf13d36c79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>
	<4c0ec4450810211235h310a1931m3663ccf13d36c79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FE3693.6060603@shub-internet.org>

John Pappas wrote:

> I am not surprised that they block SSH.  That port makes it nearly trival to
> bypass any perimeter security.  I use it all the time to tunnel to my
> personal squid proxy so that I can have unfettered/unmonitored web access.
> I usually do not need the other ports, as I try to keep all my services
> web-accessible.  If I do need other things, I use SSH to tunnel NX to my
> systems, then use the apps from there.

The OP should show them ssh over DNS.

Unless they want to completely and totally block all traffic into or out of 
their network, there *IS* a way to set up a proxy and completely by-pass any 
port restrictions they may set up.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
From jm at allensonthe.net  Tue Oct 21 15:24:00 2008
From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen)
Date: Tue Oct 21 15:24:03 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
In-Reply-To: <48FE3693.6060603@shub-internet.org>
References: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>
	<4c0ec4450810211235h310a1931m3663ccf13d36c79@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FE3693.6060603@shub-internet.org>
Message-ID: <f9562c2e0810211324y3ea06f39o2f3db4ccc90892f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:07, Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org> wrote:
> John Pappas wrote:
>
>> I am not surprised that they block SSH.  That port makes it nearly trival
>> to
>> bypass any perimeter security.  I use it all the time to tunnel to my
>> personal squid proxy so that I can have unfettered/unmonitored web access.
>> I usually do not need the other ports, as I try to keep all my services
>> web-accessible.  If I do need other things, I use SSH to tunnel NX to my
>> systems, then use the apps from there.
>
> The OP should show them ssh over DNS.
>
> Unless they want to completely and totally block all traffic into or out of
> their network, there *IS* a way to set up a proxy and completely by-pass any
> port restrictions they may set up.
>
> --
> Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org>

of course.  with that argument, though, why not just remove all
firewalls and give everyone unfettered access to all your internal
servers, too?  After all, they're going to get in anyway, right?

There is *always* a way.  It's the admin's job to make it harder.
Hopefully hard enough that any miscreants will try someone else's
network instead.

-- 
JM

/* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't
been much of a day.
-- John A. Wheeler */
From brad at shub-internet.org  Tue Oct 21 15:44:09 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Tue Oct 21 15:44:14 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
In-Reply-To: <f9562c2e0810211324y3ea06f39o2f3db4ccc90892f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>	<4c0ec4450810211235h310a1931m3663ccf13d36c79@mail.gmail.com>	<48FE3693.6060603@shub-internet.org>
	<f9562c2e0810211324y3ea06f39o2f3db4ccc90892f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FE3F19.5040709@shub-internet.org>

Jon Mark Allen wrote:

> of course.  with that argument, though, why not just remove all
> firewalls and give everyone unfettered access to all your internal
> servers, too?  After all, they're going to get in anyway, right?

We block inbound traffic to our servers from most networks, except for 
certain ports.  But this doesn't keep people from getting outside of our 
public network.

And there are all sorts of IDS and IPS systems that are in use on our 
networks, of which I only know a small fraction.  The users have to know 
that there's a certain amount of monitoring going on, because they do 
occasionally get nailed.

> There is *always* a way.  It's the admin's job to make it harder.
> Hopefully hard enough that any miscreants will try someone else's
> network instead.

What you really need to make sure that they know is not that they will be 
prevented, but that they will be detected, caught, and prosecuted if they 
participate in certain types of illegal activity.

As an educational institution, anything else should be generally allowed on 
the public networks.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
From j at jvpappas.net  Tue Oct 21 16:39:33 2008
From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas)
Date: Tue Oct 21 16:39:34 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Linux System Admin Position...
Message-ID: <4c0ec4450810211439s407f8b0fhdd9a82fb296726a4@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

There is a local government contractor looking for a Linux system admin
(mid-level) here in SATX.  Other UNIX (esp HPUX) a plus.  For details, hit
me off list.

Thanks!
jp
From dkowis at shlrm.org  Tue Oct 21 18:11:14 2008
From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis)
Date: Tue Oct 21 18:11:16 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Blocked ports on college campus
In-Reply-To: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>
References: <48FE1BF9.8040701@net153.net>
Message-ID: <48FE6192.1090206@shlrm.org>

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Samuel Leon wrote:
| Just recently St. Phillips only allows outgoing connections to
| destination ports 80 and 443 on their public wifi.  So that means no
| irc, no instant messaging, no email, and no SSH.  This can't be!  To my
| knowledge I only have 2 options, ssh or vpn.  I do have one remote
| server that has a free port 80 open so I can get ssh listening on that
| (to connect with ssh -D) or some kind of vpn software.  I am not sure
| which would be easier.  If I use vpn I would like to use ipsec but I
| don't have to.  I am also afraid that with vpn it would have to be tied
| in with the ip address on my laptop which might change subnets depending
| on which access point I am connected to at college.
|
| What do yall think?
|
| Sam

If you can run your own server, and you're using your own laptop,
OpenVPN can run on port 80 and only handle things that are openvpn
packets, handing everything else off to the webserver.

Quite crafty.



- --
David Kowis

www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular!
www.sourcemage.org  - SourceMage GNU/Linux
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From satlug at net153.net  Tue Oct 21 22:14:33 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Tue Oct 21 22:14:36 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Troubleshooting Laptop Lockups
In-Reply-To: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FE9A99.4040705@net153.net>

Ed Coates wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I've got a problem with my laptop, and I'm looking for a little
> guidance.  I've got a Gateway Solo5350 with 1.06 GHz processor, 1 GB
> of RAM, and a 60GB hard drive.  It's currently dual boot with Windows
> XP Home Edition, and Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy).  The problem is that the
> laptop intermittently locks up in Ubuntu.  Usually, when I'm not doing
> anything on the laptop, or waiting for updates to complete, or an
> unattended process to finish.  I'll go back to check on the progress
> and find the laptop locked up.  Nothing short of a powercycle fixes
> the issue.  How can you troubleshoot something like this?  I know that
> it can't be hardware because I can have the laptop booted into Windows
> and it will run weeks on end with no lockups, but if booted into
> Ubuntu, within hours it will wind up locked.
> 
> Ed

You might also look into disabling any kind of cpu speed scaling stuff.

Sam
From pixelnate at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 22:27:57 2008
From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage)
Date: Tue Oct 21 22:28:02 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Troubleshooting Laptop Lockups
In-Reply-To: <9e4edf580810211302s45198610h292eba399c45758c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e4edf580810211302s45198610h292eba399c45758c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b2002c5b0810212027x2f715f7as8584b5bc1b61c487@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Charles Mims <chmims@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> When ever I turn on visual effect in Ubuntu it starts locking up on me.
>

I would say that a machine with these specs should really not be running
visual effects. I have an intermittent problem where the machine bogs down
and the screen dims while the machine sorts out the problem. Maybe you are
bogging the machine down and it never fully goes through that cycle. What
kinds of apps do you leave running? I would think that VMWare instances or
heck even npviewer (for rendering Flash movies) could be the problem.
IEs4Linux always bogs my machine down too. I have needed to restart after
it's gone haywire a few times.

I hope you figure it out.



~Nate
From edcoates at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 07:20:08 2008
From: edcoates at gmail.com (Ed Coates)
Date: Wed Oct 22 07:20:14 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Troubleshooting Laptop Lockups
In-Reply-To: <b2002c5b0810212027x2f715f7as8584b5bc1b61c487@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e4edf580810211302s45198610h292eba399c45758c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b2002c5b0810212027x2f715f7as8584b5bc1b61c487@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ee65edd0810220520y4943bdacq28e41be9047c8594@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Nate Turnage <pixelnate@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Charles Mims <chmims@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> When ever I turn on visual effect in Ubuntu it starts locking up on me.
>>
>
> I would say that a machine with these specs should really not be running
> visual effects. I have an intermittent problem where the machine bogs down
> and the screen dims while the machine sorts out the problem. Maybe you are
> bogging the machine down and it never fully goes through that cycle. What
> kinds of apps do you leave running? I would think that VMWare instances or
> heck even npviewer (for rendering Flash movies) could be the problem.
> IEs4Linux always bogs my machine down too. I have needed to restart after
> it's gone haywire a few times.
>
> I hope you figure it out.
>
Thanks for all the helpful replies.  I'll have to see if I can find a
few spare cycles to boot it up and check things out.  Yes, I do have
the Extra Visual Effects on, and they seem to work just fine, but I'll
turn them off and see if that's the underlying issue.  The only things
I usually have running is firefox so that I can check my mail in
Horde.  Sometimes OpenOffice.  It usually only locks up when it's
sitting unattended.

Ed
From siffland at nerdshack.com  Wed Oct 22 10:31:52 2008
From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I)
Date: Wed Oct 22 10:31:56 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] UNIX\Linux position
Message-ID: <3ae131d00810220831u690740f2hd87fe580285968c3@mail.gmail.com>

We are also looking for a UNIX\Linux System administrator with
knowledge of HPUX and RHEL.  This is a senior level position.  If
anyone is interested hit me off the list and i can give you more
specifics.

Sean Iffland
ifflands@gmail.com
From chmims at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 11:52:17 2008
From: chmims at gmail.com (Charles Mims)
Date: Wed Oct 22 11:52:19 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Troubleshooting Laptop Lockups
In-Reply-To: <b2002c5b0810212027x2f715f7as8584b5bc1b61c487@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ee65edd0810201254o571617fdh22885dd09d04a20c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e4edf580810211302s45198610h292eba399c45758c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b2002c5b0810212027x2f715f7as8584b5bc1b61c487@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e4edf580810220952pdbae326s36df7b60cf1d776e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Nate Turnage <pixelnate@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Charles Mims <chmims@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > When ever I turn on visual effect in Ubuntu it starts locking up on me.
> >
>
> I would say that a machine with these specs should really not be running
> visual effects. I have an intermittent problem where the machine bogs down
> and the screen dims while the machine sorts out the problem. Maybe you are
> bogging the machine down and it never fully goes through that cycle. What
> kinds of apps do you leave running? I would think that VMWare instances or
> heck even npviewer (for rendering Flash movies) could be the problem.
> IEs4Linux always bogs my machine down too. I have needed to restart after
> it's gone haywire a few times.
>
> I hope you figure it out.
>
> My machine is a desktop with AMD64 3200+, 2G RAM and 2 500G HD.   I was
suggesting
a possible cause of his lockup.

Charles

>
>
> ~Nate
> --
> _______________________________________________
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> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe
> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>
From wn5pmr at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 18:26:46 2008
From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike)
Date: Wed Oct 22 18:27:04 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] you never know where your going to find a reference 
Message-ID: <48FFB6B6.4040701@gmail.com>

to some thing known/ Was reading blogs today and there is Rackspace.

http://feeds.laughingsquid.com/~r/laughingsquid/~3/eW3gcdZAx2g/

Mike WN5PMR
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Sun Oct 26 10:17:20 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Sun Oct 26 10:17:03 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] hibernate
Message-ID: <200810261517.m9QFHKPN017478@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

Satluggers:

I have a Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop and run slack linux on it.
One thing I have always been missing is a reliable hibernate 
function. I would love to just put the thing to sleep and wait
only a few seconds for it to be back up and operational.

What options exist? What do I need to do?

Thanks, -b.
From e2eiod at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 23:42:35 2008
From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson)
Date: Sun Oct 26 23:42:37 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] hibernate
In-Reply-To: <200810261517.m9QFHKPN017478@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200810261517.m9QFHKPN017478@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <b438b5d70810262142t2dca0cb9p1f47cd66de89480c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Borries Demeler
<demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> Satluggers:
>
> I have a Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop and run slack linux on it.
> One thing I have always been missing is a reliable hibernate
> function. I would love to just put the thing to sleep and wait
> only a few seconds for it to be back up and operational.
>
> What options exist? What do I need to do?
>
> Thanks, -b.
> --

I have the same question about a Dell D610 Latitude running Ubuntu 8.04.
This is a dual boot machine with Windows XP SP3 and in Windows I can
just close the lid and the box goes to sleep and wakes up when I raise
the lid.
Apparently Linux does it differently?
I am aware of the problems and fixes with Ubuntu 8.04 hibernate.

Thanks,  Robert
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org  Sun Oct 26 23:43:31 2008
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks)
Date: Sun Oct 26 23:43:32 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Photos and Video from Monday Night
Message-ID: <200810262343.31165.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>

If you missed last Monday night's XCSSA meeting with Charles' PCB HowTo, and 
Fredrik's LED/microcontroller pong game and high voltage folly.. You really 
need to check these photos and videos out!
	http://xcssa.org/photos/2008_XCSSA/

Thanks Charles, Fredrik, Bruce and Robert!

Tweeks
Pres of XCSSA.ORG
From dvprogs at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 06:04:11 2008
From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal)
Date: Mon Oct 27 06:04:16 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] RAID-0 oops!
Message-ID: <7f9598380810270404s52bbf0b9x1a1eb7d5fe508dd8@mail.gmail.com>

A while back I purchased a 1 TB external USB drive. I have a farm of these
drives, usually 200-250 GB range. Well, one day I plugged in the incorrect
power supply into the 1 TB unit and could only access half of the drive.
Turns out this thing has two 500 GB hard drives in it. No matter what I did
in GNU/Linux, I couldn't get back the missing data. I finally did use a
commercial product under the other OS to get information back, but it did
not go as smooth as it should have, and I still lost data, in addition to
this process taking much time and causing much grief. Thankfully I do try to
keep
critical information on multiple external drives, that helped.

What did I learn from this ?

1. I learned that my Intel RAID couldn't help rebuild the data, but I did
reset my Intel motherboard to AHCI/RAID setup like they suggest, for
best flexibility and performance. Of course, I had to make a new MS XP Pro
CD-ROM, so I slipstreamed SP3 and the latest Intel RAID drivers while I was
at it.

2. I learned to label my *&*#@) power supply leads.

3. I'm now motivated to practice using software like testdisk, scalpel,
vdmfec, friendly-recovery, etc. I've recently started using partimage. I
also
generate a SHA1SUM for each of these backup files.

4. I really need to weed out duplicates, I'm going to experiment using
findimagedupes and fdupes.

When I get the time, I will put the drives back in the cage in a different
order to see if I get the 1 TB space back.
From bruce.mcalexander at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 10:40:08 2008
From: bruce.mcalexander at gmail.com (Bruce McAlexander)
Date: Tue Oct 28 10:40:14 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Dumb ThuderBird/SeaMonkey Mail question
In-Reply-To: <48F8C94F.6050403@cis.sac.accd.edu>
References: <48F8C94F.6050403@cis.sac.accd.edu>
Message-ID: <c40e491a0810280840i31e23b26s97543e1b533c4ea1@mail.gmail.com>

Glen,

The cartoon you sent me may have a related issue.  I was not able to
forward the message with the pictures.  Only the text was delivered.
I tried with IE 7 and Mozilla Firefox; the same results from either
one.

Bruce

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM, gboswell <gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu> wrote:
> First thanks Brian for the GPS reference. One of the only reasons I keep XP
> on an old box it to work with my Garmins.
>
> I have SeaMonkey mail and it is perfect for me but it just started to not
> show attachments in the attachments box, unless I double click the email and
> it goes full screen, then the attachment shows. I did not change anything in
> my system, that I can Remember...., and google and the SeaMonkey help
> doesn't not address the problem. I would think it was  a setting some where
> that was changed but I can't find it. If this was XP I'd backout the latest
> "fix" but their have been no "upgrades or patches" applied to my Linux
> lately. Thanks for the help.
>
> BTW if this is really something simple or stupid on my part give me "flames
> from Hell".
>
> Boz
>
> --
> Glenn Boswell "Boz"      gboswell@mail.accd.edu
> gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related}
> San Antonio College  Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866
>
> Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget!
>
> "We make a living by what we Get.
> We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> SATLUG mailing list
> SATLUG@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe
> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>
From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 12:15:31 2008
From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:15:33 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] question hardy heron
Message-ID: <7e4994a70810281015w6edbeb65xa3bc35ad3c386a2a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I have a question about something with mom's pc.

When she boots up and the modem connects, she opens the browser, then has to
go to FILE> WORK OFFLINE> to be able to work *online*.  Is there a way to
skip this step...I looked under system monitor and didn't see anything in
the processes to delete...

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

Thank you very much..cheryl
From horned0wl93 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 13:19:56 2008
From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed)
Date: Tue Oct 28 13:20:04 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Dumb ThuderBird/SeaMonkey Mail question
In-Reply-To: <c40e491a0810280840i31e23b26s97543e1b533c4ea1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48F8C94F.6050403@cis.sac.accd.edu>
	<c40e491a0810280840i31e23b26s97543e1b533c4ea1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490757CC.8040409@gmail.com>

Most e-mailers scrub attachments from forwarded messages.  For best
success, re-attach the picture or file to the to the forwarded mail, and
it should go through.

Cheers;
Ed
=================

Bruce McAlexander wrote:
> Glen,
>
> The cartoon you sent me may have a related issue.  I was not able to
> forward the message with the pictures.  Only the text was delivered.
> I tried with IE 7 and Mozilla Firefox; the same results from either
> one.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM, gboswell <gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu> wrote:
>   
>> First thanks Brian for the GPS reference. One of the only reasons I keep XP
>> on an old box it to work with my Garmins.
>>
>> I have SeaMonkey mail and it is perfect for me but it just started to not
>> show attachments in the attachments box, unless I double click the email and
>> it goes full screen, then the attachment shows. I did not change anything in
>> my system, that I can Remember...., and google and the SeaMonkey help
>> doesn't not address the problem. I would think it was  a setting some where
>> that was changed but I can't find it. If this was XP I'd backout the latest
>> "fix" but their have been no "upgrades or patches" applied to my Linux
>> lately. Thanks for the help.
>>
>> BTW if this is really something simple or stupid on my part give me "flames
>> from Hell".
>>
>> Boz
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Boswell "Boz"      gboswell@mail.accd.edu
>> gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related}
>> San Antonio College  Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866
>>
>> Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget!
>>
>> "We make a living by what we Get.
>> We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill
>>
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> SATLUG mailing list
>> SATLUG@satlug.org
>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe
>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com)
>>
>>     
From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu  Tue Oct 28 18:43:38 2008
From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars)
Date: Tue Oct 28 18:44:04 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] codeweavers - read me now!
Message-ID: <4907A3AA.9080606@cis.sac.accd.edu>

If this has already been posted sorry.  If not, go to codeweavers.com. 
You can download:

crossover mac pro
crossover games mac
crossover linux pro
crossover games linux

for free! 
Today only!

Steve

From satlug at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 28 19:19:16 2008
From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright)
Date: Tue Oct 28 19:19:16 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: [XCSSA] codeweavers - read me now!
In-Reply-To: <4907A3AA.9080606@cis.sac.accd.edu>
References: <4907A3AA.9080606@cis.sac.accd.edu>
Message-ID: <nrafg458ijl1crgau1rr7ikthh852pg9er@4ax.com>

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:43:38 -0500, X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio
<xcssa@xcssa.org> wrote:

>codeweavers.com

Be sure to watch the video, too.  --Don

-- 
Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms!
From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com  Tue Oct 28 22:50:05 2008
From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan)
Date: Tue Oct 28 22:51:14 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] codeweavers - read me now!
In-Reply-To: <4907A3AA.9080606@cis.sac.accd.edu>
References: <4907A3AA.9080606@cis.sac.accd.edu>
Message-ID: <4907DD6D.1010600@futuretechsolutions.com>

Thanks for the info.

skolars wrote:
> If this has already been posted sorry.  If not, go to codeweavers.com. 
> You can download:
> 
> crossover mac pro
> crossover games mac
> crossover linux pro
> crossover games linux
> 
> for free! 
> Today only!
> 
> Steve
> 
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Wed Oct 29 05:39:03 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Oct 29 05:38:58 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] mp3 encoding
Message-ID: <200810291039.m9TAd3om020581@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

I have a question about audacity and mp3 encoding:
When I load an mp3 file into audacity, delete sections from it,
and export the edited file as an mp3 file back to disk, will
this be a lossy mp3 compression (one mp3 compression on top of
another)? Or will it write the same mp3 code for the sections
that were unchanged in audacity?

Thank you.

-Borries
From jeremymann at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 08:38:37 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Oct 29 08:38:39 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] mp3 encoding
In-Reply-To: <200810291039.m9TAd3om020581@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200810291039.m9TAd3om020581@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0810290638g28b8ffcet4ae6b3c44b42d88e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Borries Demeler
<demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> I have a question about audacity and mp3 encoding:
> When I load an mp3 file into audacity, delete sections from it,
> and export the edited file as an mp3 file back to disk, will
> this be a lossy mp3 compression (one mp3 compression on top of
> another)? Or will it write the same mp3 code for the sections
> that were unchanged in audacity?

That's correct, it will be a lossy encoding of the original MP3. While
I can't notice the difference some audiophiles can. My suggestion
would be to export the original MP3 file as a WAV, load the WAV into
Audacity, edit as needed and export as MP3.



-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Wed Oct 29 08:40:12 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Oct 29 08:40:06 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] mp3 encoding
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0810290638g28b8ffcet4ae6b3c44b42d88e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810291340.m9TDeC7N026972@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

> 
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Borries Demeler
> <demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> > I have a question about audacity and mp3 encoding:
> > When I load an mp3 file into audacity, delete sections from it,
> > and export the edited file as an mp3 file back to disk, will
> > this be a lossy mp3 compression (one mp3 compression on top of
> > another)? Or will it write the same mp3 code for the sections
> > that were unchanged in audacity?
> 
> That's correct, it will be a lossy encoding of the original MP3. While
> I can't notice the difference some audiophiles can. My suggestion
> would be to export the original MP3 file as a WAV, load the WAV into
> Audacity, edit as needed and export as MP3.

Wouldn't have that exactly the same effect?? Only if I kept it as a 
WAV will it be unchanged from the original mp3, right?

-b.
From jeremymann at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 08:48:53 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Oct 29 08:48:55 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] mp3 encoding
In-Reply-To: <200810291340.m9TDeC7N026972@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <79ec289f0810290638g28b8ffcet4ae6b3c44b42d88e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200810291340.m9TDeC7N026972@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0810290648g17274cx7b15b58763cc5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Borries Demeler
<demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:

> Wouldn't have that exactly the same effect?? Only if I kept it as a
> WAV will it be unchanged from the original mp3, right?

Naturally, you'd want to edit the original WAV file and export that as
an MP3. And yes, if you kept it as a WAV file it will be unchanged
from the original MP3.



-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Wed Oct 29 08:53:34 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Oct 29 08:53:27 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] mp3 encoding
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0810290648g17274cx7b15b58763cc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810291353.m9TDrYTU006626@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

> Naturally, you'd want to edit the original WAV file and export that as
> an MP3. 

My question was about starting with an MP3 file, not a WAV file. Of course
I would edit the wav file if I had the option. I want to know if Audacity
uses exactly the same MP3 encoding as the original for the unedited portions
of the file, or if it would try to re-encode it (with a loss). For example,
you can load a jpg or mp3 file and write it back unchanged, or simply chop
a portion of the file out without doing anything to other portions of the 
file. And I want to know if Audacity can do that.

-b.
From jeremymann at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 08:58:46 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Oct 29 08:58:50 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] mp3 encoding
In-Reply-To: <200810291353.m9TDrYTU006626@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <79ec289f0810290648g17274cx7b15b58763cc5@mail.gmail.com>
	<200810291353.m9TDrYTU006626@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0810290658h4764137dlb1cd7a9c1440fc6f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Borries Demeler
<demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
>> Naturally, you'd want to edit the original WAV file and export that as
>> an MP3.
>
> My question was about starting with an MP3 file, not a WAV file. Of course
> I would edit the wav file if I had the option. I want to know if Audacity
> uses exactly the same MP3 encoding as the original for the unedited portions
> of the file, or if it would try to re-encode it (with a loss). For example,
> you can load a jpg or mp3 file and write it back unchanged, or simply chop
> a portion of the file out without doing anything to other portions of the
> file. And I want to know if Audacity can do that.

It will reencode the entire file again at whatever bitrate you choose.

>From their wiki:

"Every time you export from Audacity as an MP3 (or other lossy audio
format), this encoding necessarily degrades some of the original
quality of the audio. If you import an MP3 into Audacity, edit it then
export it as an MP3, you are thus losing quality twice - once in the
original MP3 encoding of the imported audio, then again when you
export it from Audacity as MP3.
If you can't avoid importing an MP3 into Audacity and then re-encoding
to MP3, don't believe what you sometimes hear that using the same or
higher bit rate as the original file will prevent quality loss. This
is incorrect. All you can say is that the higher the bit rate you
re-encode to, the less will be the quality loss that results."



-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu  Wed Oct 29 09:03:05 2008
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Oct 29 09:03:00 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] mp3 encoding
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0810290658h4764137dlb1cd7a9c1440fc6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200810291403.m9TE35Mq007201@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

So I guess the answer is no, it can't. I am looking for a program that is 
similar to gopchop, and allows me to write a portion of the file unchanged
back to disk, but clip something off at the end. If Audacity can't do it,
is there a program that can?

-Borries

> It will reencode the entire file again at whatever bitrate you choose.
> 
> >From their wiki:
> 
> "Every time you export from Audacity as an MP3 (or other lossy audio
> format), this encoding necessarily degrades some of the original
> quality of the audio. If you import an MP3 into Audacity, edit it then
> export it as an MP3, you are thus losing quality twice - once in the
> original MP3 encoding of the imported audio, then again when you
> export it from Audacity as MP3.
> If you can't avoid importing an MP3 into Audacity and then re-encoding
> to MP3, don't believe what you sometimes hear that using the same or
> higher bit rate as the original file will prevent quality loss. This
> is incorrect. All you can say is that the higher the bit rate you
> re-encode to, the less will be the quality loss that results."
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeremy Mann
> jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu
> 
> University of Texas Health Science Center
> Bioinformatics Core Facility
> http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
> Phone: (210) 567-2672
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From jeremymann at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 09:14:08 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Oct 29 09:14:10 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] mp3 encoding
In-Reply-To: <200810291403.m9TE35Mq007201@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <79ec289f0810290658h4764137dlb1cd7a9c1440fc6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200810291403.m9TE35Mq007201@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0810290714k2ff5bf5i45f7333fc88e2e6d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Borries Demeler
<demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu> wrote:
> So I guess the answer is no, it can't. I am looking for a program that is
> similar to gopchop, and allows me to write a portion of the file unchanged
> back to disk, but clip something off at the end. If Audacity can't do it,
> is there a program that can?

Try MPGEDIT: http://www.mpgedit.org/mpgedit/index.html

That's the only one I could find on Freshmeat.


-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From erichaugen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:24:01 2008
From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen)
Date: Wed Oct 29 12:24:07 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help
Message-ID: <674b98ac0810291024j116dbfebw724207f937ab31da@mail.gmail.com>

We are having a problem with php on our website.

HTML pages are pulling up fine but any pages that are php are not
rendering at all.

I do not have time to troubleshoot this by myself.  If anyone is
interested in coming to Schertz we will pay you.

BTW the hardware is a Intel dual xeon, 4 GB of ram and running Fedora 8

Thanks
Eric Haugen
210-488-4241
From jeremymann at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:27:20 2008
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Oct 29 12:27:22 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help
In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0810291024j116dbfebw724207f937ab31da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <674b98ac0810291024j116dbfebw724207f937ab31da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0810291027g5ec099efw7882e309b2c8e0da@mail.gmail.com>

Eric, check the Apache error_log. It will tell you what's the problem.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Eric Haugen <erichaugen@gmail.com> wrote:
> We are having a problem with php on our website.
>
> HTML pages are pulling up fine but any pages that are php are not
> rendering at all.
>
> I do not have time to troubleshoot this by myself.  If anyone is
> interested in coming to Schertz we will pay you.
>
> BTW the hardware is a Intel dual xeon, 4 GB of ram and running Fedora 8
>
> Thanks
> Eric Haugen
> 210-488-4241
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-- 
Jeremy Mann
jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu

University of Texas Health Science Center
Bioinformatics Core Facility
http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu
Phone: (210) 567-2672
From satlug at net153.net  Wed Oct 29 13:40:22 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Wed Oct 29 13:40:25 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help
In-Reply-To: <674b98ac0810291024j116dbfebw724207f937ab31da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <674b98ac0810291024j116dbfebw724207f937ab31da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4908AE16.1050109@net153.net>

Eric Haugen wrote:
> We are having a problem with php on our website.
> 
> HTML pages are pulling up fine but any pages that are php are not
> rendering at all.
> 
> I do not have time to troubleshoot this by myself.  If anyone is
> interested in coming to Schertz we will pay you.
> 
> BTW the hardware is a Intel dual xeon, 4 GB of ram and running Fedora 8
> 
> Thanks
> Eric Haugen
> 210-488-4241


I am in Marion, right down the road.  I will not be free today until 
after 9pm but tomorrow I am off all day.  For starters is this apache we 
are talking about?  Maybe just try restarting it, could have been a 
buggy upgrade or something.  And yes, hopefully there is something in 
the error log as well.

Sam

From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com  Wed Oct 29 14:01:54 2008
From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury)
Date: Wed Oct 29 14:01:58 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help
References: <674b98ac0810291024j116dbfebw724207f937ab31da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <218CCBC34BB94094B2BD4674B0C40E07@dsalisburycst>

Define what you mean by "not rendering".  What does your browser say when 
you try to pull up a PHP document?  Do you have the opening
<?php
and closing
?>
around your PHP code?  Is PHP installed as a module, and if so, is that 
module enabled?  It would be in a line similar to:

LoadModule php5_module     modules/libphp5.so

in your httpd.conf file.

David

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Haugen" <erichaugen@gmail.com>
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help


> We are having a problem with php on our website.
>
> HTML pages are pulling up fine but any pages that are php are not
> rendering at all.
>
> I do not have time to troubleshoot this by myself.  If anyone is
> interested in coming to Schertz we will pay you.
>
> BTW the hardware is a Intel dual xeon, 4 GB of ram and running Fedora 8 

From erichaugen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 15:09:05 2008
From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen)
Date: Wed Oct 29 15:09:08 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help
In-Reply-To: <218CCBC34BB94094B2BD4674B0C40E07@dsalisburycst>
References: <674b98ac0810291024j116dbfebw724207f937ab31da@mail.gmail.com>
	<218CCBC34BB94094B2BD4674B0C40E07@dsalisburycst>
Message-ID: <674b98ac0810291309t2ea76170h89a54b86493b562f@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing...at all, blank page...including when viewing source.  HTML
pages pull up fine when you manually load them into the browser.

Everything was fine as of 5pm yesterday.

Will try, thanks.

- EAH



On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, David Salisbury
<david.salisbury@momentumweb.com> wrote:
> Define what you mean by "not rendering".  What does your browser say when
> you try to pull up a PHP document?  Do you have the opening
> <?php
> and closing
> ?>
> around your PHP code?  Is PHP installed as a module, and if so, is that
> module enabled?  It would be in a line similar to:
>
> LoadModule php5_module     modules/libphp5.so
>
> in your httpd.conf file.
>
> David
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Haugen" <erichaugen@gmail.com>
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:24 PM
> Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help
>
>
>> We are having a problem with php on our website.
>>
>> HTML pages are pulling up fine but any pages that are php are not
>> rendering at all.
>>
>> I do not have time to troubleshoot this by myself.  If anyone is
>> interested in coming to Schertz we will pay you.
>>
>> BTW the hardware is a Intel dual xeon, 4 GB of ram and running Fedora 8
>
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From satlug at net153.net  Wed Oct 29 22:40:37 2008
From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon)
Date: Wed Oct 29 22:40:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help
In-Reply-To: <218CCBC34BB94094B2BD4674B0C40E07@dsalisburycst>
References: <674b98ac0810291024j116dbfebw724207f937ab31da@mail.gmail.com>
	<218CCBC34BB94094B2BD4674B0C40E07@dsalisburycst>
Message-ID: <49092CB5.6060705@net153.net>

David Salisbury wrote:
> Define what you mean by "not rendering".  What does your browser say 
> when you try to pull up a PHP document?  Do you have the opening
> <?php
> and closing
> ?>
> around your PHP code?  Is PHP installed as a module, and if so, is that 
> module enabled?  It would be in a line similar to:
> 
> LoadModule php5_module     modules/libphp5.so
> 
> in your httpd.conf file.
> 
> David
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Haugen" <erichaugen@gmail.com>
> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" <satlug@satlug.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:24 PM
> Subject: [SATLUG] Need webserver help
> 
> 
>> We are having a problem with php on our website.
>>
>> HTML pages are pulling up fine but any pages that are php are not
>> rendering at all.
>>
>> I do not have time to troubleshoot this by myself.  If anyone is
>> interested in coming to Schertz we will pay you.
>>
>> BTW the hardware is a Intel dual xeon, 4 GB of ram and running Fedora 8 
> 


I swung by there this afternoon.  I was not able to fix the issue.  One 
of the root directories got renamed apparently.  The only issue not 
fixed yet is apache will not load index.php but it will load index.html. 
  The root directory has both an index.html and index.php.  Renaming the 
index.html should cause apache to load the php one but it instead causes 
it to load the defualt apache test page and throws this error:

Directory index forbidden by Option /var/www/html/

Which makes it sound like the DirectoryIndex option in http.conf is not 
set, and it wasn't.  But when I added index.php to the beginning of it, 
it still had no change.  So I don't know.  Guess I will have to play 
with it some more.  Permissions where correct to.

Sam
From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 09:15:48 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Fri Oct 31 09:15:53 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
Message-ID: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com>

I picked up an external drive enclosure, but I need a little help 
identifying a couple of things.  It says 'DaynaFile' on the unit, but 
there's no model number or anything.  Here is a link to a picture of the 
back face of the unit:

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=983973&image=178278327&images=178278291,178278327&formats=0,0&format=0

I'm guessing the data connections are for a SCSI (I can't be sure since 
I've never owned any SCSI devices before) -- can anyone confirm that?

Also, there was no power cable, and there is no transformer inside the 
unit, so I suspect it would have 12V or 5V input into the box (i.e., the 
transformer is external) -- does anyone know what I should be looking for?

Please let me know if there is anything else you can tell me about 
this.  TIA.

Al Lesmerises

From jdchoate at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 09:35:46 2008
From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate)
Date: Fri Oct 31 09:34:39 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
In-Reply-To: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com>
References: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200810310935.47163.jdchoate@gmail.com>

On Friday 31 October 2008 09:15:48 Alan Lesmerises wrote:
> I picked up an external drive enclosure, but I need a little help 
> identifying a couple of things.  It says 'DaynaFile' on the unit, but 
> there's no model number or anything.  Here is a link to a picture of the 
> back face of the unit:
> 
> http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=983973&image=178278327&images=178278291,178278327&formats=0,0&format=0
> 
> I'm guessing the data connections are for a SCSI (I can't be sure since 
> I've never owned any SCSI devices before) -- can anyone confirm that?
> 
> Also, there was no power cable, and there is no transformer inside the 
> unit, so I suspect it would have 12V or 5V input into the box (i.e., the 
> transformer is external) -- does anyone know what I should be looking for?
> 
> Please let me know if there is anything else you can tell me about 
> this.  TIA.
> 
> Al Lesmerises
> 

That's an old external enclosure with parallel port interface. The drive pictured in it is a 5.25" floppy drive.
It connects via parallel cable; similar type as used on many old printers. If you get a parallel printer cable, you will find that one end connects to the external enclosure ans secures with the clips in the picture. The other end attaches to the parallel port on the back of your computer (if it has one) - colored pink-ish and anchors with 2 screws.
From scs at worldlinkisp.com  Fri Oct 31 10:15:40 2008
From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com)
Date: Fri Oct 31 10:15:44 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
Message-ID: <01fb53d86b014a45a068ab5ab357562c.scs@worldlinkisp.com>


>Please let me know if there is anything else you can tell me about 
>this.  TIA.
--------------------
A little triva, in addtion to John's data.

They are know as a "Centronics Parallel Port" an older bidirectional interface connection standard. 


From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us  Fri Oct 31 10:36:41 2008
From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst)
Date: Fri Oct 31 10:37:05 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
In-Reply-To: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com>
References: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <490ADFD9.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>

Looks like an external SCSI-1 drive enclosure. Good for one floppy or hard drive. The round opening at the lower-right looks to be the power input from an external brick. This would supply the 12/5v for the drive. And, of course, the little rectangle between the power switch and the top SCSI-1 connector is the SCSI ID switch with buttons top (touch up) and bottom (touch down). Except for the power connector that one looks like the one I (used to) have at home ... before one of my sons got SCSI happy(!).

>>> Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com> 10/31/2008 09:15 >>>
I picked up an external drive enclosure, but I need a little help 
identifying a couple of things.  It says 'DaynaFile' on the unit, but 
there's no model number or anything.  Here is a link to a picture of the 
back face of the unit:

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=983973&image=178278327&images=178278291,178278327&formats=0,0&format=0 

I'm guessing the data connections are for a SCSI (I can't be sure since 
I've never owned any SCSI devices before) -- can anyone confirm that?

Also, there was no power cable, and there is no transformer inside the 
unit, so I suspect it would have 12V or 5V input into the box (i.e., the 
transformer is external) -- does anyone know what I should be looking for?

Please let me know if there is anything else you can tell me about 
this.  TIA.

Al Lesmerises

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From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 12:49:50 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Fri Oct 31 12:49:51 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
In-Reply-To: <490ADFD9.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
References: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com>
	<490ADFD9.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <490B453E.7020008@satx.rr.com>

Yeah, I forgot to mention the little number display with the up/down 
selector buttons -- that's what made me think it was a SCSI interface.  
Actually, it looks like I could put in another drive (there's a second 
data connection on the PC board) if I wanted to.

Al Lesmerises


Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> Looks like an external SCSI-1 drive enclosure. Good for one floppy or hard drive. The round opening at the lower-right looks to be the power input from an external brick. This would supply the 12/5v for the drive. And, of course, the little rectangle between the power switch and the top SCSI-1 connector is the SCSI ID switch with buttons top (touch up) and bottom (touch down). Except for the power connector that one looks like the one I (used to) have at home ... before one of my sons got SCSI happy(!).
>   
>>>> Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com> 10/31/2008 09:15
>>>>
>>>> I picked up an external drive enclosure, but I need a little help 
>>>> identifying a couple of things.  It says 'DaynaFile' on the unit, but 
>>>> there's no model number or anything.  Here is a link to a picture of the 
>>>> back face of the unit:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=983973&image=178278327&images=178278291,178278327&formats=0,0&format=0 
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing the data connections are for a SCSI (I can't be sure since 
>>>> I've never owned any SCSI devices before) -- can anyone confirm that?
>>>>
>>>> Also, there was no power cable, and there is no transformer inside the 
>>>> unit, so I suspect it would have 12V or 5V input into the box (i.e., the 
>>>> transformer is external) -- does anyone know what I should be looking for?
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if there is anything else you can tell me about 
>>>> this.  TIA.
>>>>
>>>> Al Lesmerises
From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us  Fri Oct 31 12:57:06 2008
From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst)
Date: Fri Oct 31 12:57:14 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
In-Reply-To: <490B453E.7020008@satx.rr.com>
References: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com>
	<490ADFD9.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> <490B453E.7020008@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <490B00C8.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>

The second connector allows the box to be "daisey-chained". The box itself has a single ID-of-7 and, based on the estimated age, will hold a single media (FDD/.HDD/CD).

>>> Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com> 10/31/2008 12:49 >>>
Yeah, I forgot to mention the little number display with the up/down 
selector buttons -- that's what made me think it was a SCSI interface.  
Actually, it looks like I could put in another drive (there's a second 
data connection on the PC board) if I wanted to.

Al Lesmerises


Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> Looks like an external SCSI-1 drive enclosure. Good for one floppy or hard drive. The round opening at the lower-right looks to be the power input from an external brick. This would supply the 12/5v for the drive. And, of course, the little rectangle between the power switch and the top SCSI-1 connector is the SCSI ID switch with buttons top (touch up) and bottom (touch down). Except for the power connector that one looks like the one I (used to) have at home ... before one of my sons got SCSI happy(!).
>   
>>>> Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com> 10/31/2008 09:15
>>>>
>>>> I picked up an external drive enclosure, but I need a little help 
>>>> identifying a couple of things.  It says 'DaynaFile' on the unit, but 
>>>> there's no model number or anything.  Here is a link to a picture of the 
>>>> back face of the unit:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=983973&image=178278327&images=178278291,178278327&formats=0,0&format=0 
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing the data connections are for a SCSI (I can't be sure since 
>>>> I've never owned any SCSI devices before) -- can anyone confirm that?
>>>>
>>>> Also, there was no power cable, and there is no transformer inside the 
>>>> unit, so I suspect it would have 12V or 5V input into the box (i.e., the 
>>>> transformer is external) -- does anyone know what I should be looking for?
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if there is anything else you can tell me about 
>>>> this.  TIA.
>>>>
>>>> Al Lesmerises
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From scs at worldlinkisp.com  Fri Oct 31 13:18:45 2008
From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com)
Date: Fri Oct 31 13:18:47 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
Message-ID: <bb526899c28d4d29a491023ada594c59.scs@worldlinkisp.com>


For positive identification count the connector PINS.

24 Pins =  IEEE488 , formerly HP's GPIB interface.

36 Pins =  IEEE1284,  Centronic Parallel interface.

50 Pins =  SCIS 8 BIT
68 Piins =  SCIS 16 BIT
80 Pins =  SCIS SCA


From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 16:01:05 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Fri Oct 31 16:01:05 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
In-Reply-To: <490B00C8.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
References: <490B1314.9010304@satx.rr.com>	<490ADFD9.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
	<490B453E.7020008@satx.rr.com>
	<490B00C8.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <490B7211.1030106@satx.rr.com>

I was talking about a second connector _internally_.  If you notice on 
the front view, there is space below the existing floppy that's 
currently empty, and there are power & data connectors available to put 
in a second drive.

Al Lesmerises


Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> The second connector allows the box to be "daisey-chained". The box itself has a single ID-of-7 and, based on the estimated age, will hold a single media (FDD/.HDD/CD).
>
>
> Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com> 10/31/2008 12:49 >>>
>
> Yeah, I forgot to mention the little number display with the up/down 
> selector buttons -- that's what made me think it was a SCSI interface.  
> Actually, it looks like I could put in another drive (there's a second 
> data connection on the PC board) if I wanted to.
>
> Al Lesmerises
>
>
> Jim Parkhurst wrote:
>
> Looks like an external SCSI-1 drive enclosure. Good for one floppy or hard drive. The round opening at the lower-right looks to be the power input from an external brick. This would supply the 12/5v for the drive. And, of course, the little rectangle between the power switch and the top SCSI-1 connector is the SCSI ID switch with buttons top (touch up) and bottom (touch down). Except for the power connector that one looks like the one I (used to) have at home ... before one of my sons got SCSI happy(!).
>
>
> Alan Lesmerises <alesmerises@satx.rr.com> 10/31/2008 09:15
>
> I picked up an external drive enclosure, but I need a little help 
> identifying a couple of things.  It says 'DaynaFile' on the unit, but 
> there's no model number or anything.  Here is a link to a picture of the 
> back face of the unit:
>
> http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=983973&image=178278327&images=178278291,178278327&formats=0,0&format=0 
>
> I'm guessing the data connections are for a SCSI (I can't be sure since 
> I've never owned any SCSI devices before) -- can anyone confirm that?
>
> Also, there was no power cable, and there is no transformer inside the 
> unit, so I suspect it would have 12V or 5V input into the box (i.e., the 
> transformer is external) -- does anyone know what I should be looking for?
>
> Please let me know if there is anything else you can tell me about 
> this.  TIA.
>
> Al Lesmerises
>   

From alesmerises at satx.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 16:03:45 2008
From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises)
Date: Fri Oct 31 16:03:46 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
In-Reply-To: <bb526899c28d4d29a491023ada594c59.scs@worldlinkisp.com>
References: <bb526899c28d4d29a491023ada594c59.scs@worldlinkisp.com>
Message-ID: <490B72B1.4050502@satx.rr.com>

Great info!

It has 50 pins, so that would make it a SCSI 8-bit interface, which 
would be consistent with the age of an old 5 1/4" floppy drive.  Now I 
know what to look for in terms of an interface card.  Thanks.

Al Lesmerises


scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote:
> For positive identification count the connector PINS.
>
> 24 Pins =  IEEE488 , formerly HP's GPIB interface.
>
> 36 Pins =  IEEE1284,  Centronic Parallel interface.
>
> 50 Pins =  SCIS 8 BIT
> 68 Piins =  SCIS 16 BIT
> 80 Pins =  SCIS SCA
From brad at shub-internet.org  Fri Oct 31 17:21:33 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Fri Oct 31 17:21:41 2008
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Help needed to identify an old part
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	<490B7211.1030106@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <490B84ED.4050808@shub-internet.org>

Alan Lesmerises wrote:

> I was talking about a second connector _internally_.  If you notice on 
> the front view, there is space below the existing floppy that's 
> currently empty, and there are power & data connectors available to put 
> in a second drive.

Yeah, but it's still got only one SCSI ID assigned to the box, which means 
it can only have one device installed.  If the device is half-height, then 
you would need the filler panel.  If the device is full-height, then the 
filler panel could be removed.

This isn't like FireWire or USB where everything just automagically figures 
everything out.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad@shub-internet.org>
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