From rjw6844 at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 10:16:04 2008 From: rjw6844 at gmail.com (rjw6844@gmail.com) Date: Tue Dec 2 10:18:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dell memory upgrade. In-Reply-To: <49354F0C.1090307@gmail.com> References: <49354F0C.1090307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1837660160-1228234542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-145996135-@bxe201.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I used to work at a Dell call center where we sold parts like you mentioned. The sale has that person's identification associated with the sale, so I'm sure if they investigate the issue, someone will be in very deep problems. Although you may consider them rogue, I think Dell has a very short leash on the call center technicians. Bob Waldo Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Michael Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:06:52 To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dell memory upgrade. I decided to upgrade my memory from 512MB to 1G because every time I loaded OpenOffice with any other program, my computer bogged down noticeably. So, I called up Dell (I assume I was speaking to someone in India . . .) and bought the memory modules using a credit card I have had for less than six months. The memory arrived and I installed it with no problems. Everything works fine. It has been less than a week and now I have two unauthorized charges on my credit card. When I investigated the charges, one of them came from the following webiste: http://findsupportonline.com/ If you go to that website, read the part about the warning about contacting your credit card company directly. Of course, I ignored that warning and contacted my credit card company immediately. Can you believe the audacity of this website posting such an outright lie? Maybe I am naive but it seems like this website should be shut down. It is not like it is in China. whois says that it is in New York. Now I can not prove that some rogue employee at Dell used my credit card, but it sure does look that way. Again, I have had this card for less than six months. It has never been used for an online purchase and Dell was the first time I actually verbally gave out the credit card number to someone on the phone. I have yet to try and Google anything but I may do so later today but before I do, I was wondering if anyone on the list ever had an credit card issues after making a purchase with Dell? BTW, my computer is no longer sluggish. I can have OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and VLC player all running at the same time now. Yoohoo! Michael -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Tue Dec 2 14:43:45 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (alesmerises@satx.rr.com) Date: Tue Dec 2 13:19:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dell memory upgrade. In-Reply-To: <1837660160-1228234542-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-145996135-@bxe201.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20081202204345.ACQ1B.132560.root@cdptpa-web02-z02> I haven't had any problems with Dell, but I have had to deal with someone appropriating my credit card info. The only solution was to cancel the credit card and get a new one issued. I've also encountered problems with a company located in NY, and researching the NY State web site leads me to believe that the State Atty General's office might take a complaint about such a misleading web site (the one cited below) pretty seriously. I don't know what the URL is, but they have an on-line complaint form. and their phone numbers are listed as well if you wanted to talk to a person directly. Al Lesmerises ---- rjw6844@gmail.com wrote: > I used to work at a Dell call center where we sold parts like you mentioned. The sale has that person's identification associated with the sale, so I'm sure if they investigate the issue, someone will be in very deep problems. Although you may consider them rogue, I think Dell has a very short leash on the call center technicians. > > Bob Waldo > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael > > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:06:52 > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Dell memory upgrade. > > > I decided to upgrade my memory from 512MB to 1G because every time I > loaded OpenOffice with any other program, my computer bogged down > noticeably. So, I called up Dell (I assume I was speaking to someone in > India . . .) and bought the memory modules using a credit card I have > had for less than six months. The memory arrived and I installed it > with no problems. Everything works fine. > > It has been less than a week and now I have two unauthorized charges on > my credit card. When I investigated the charges, one of them came from > the following webiste: http://findsupportonline.com/ If you go to that > website, read the part about the warning about contacting your credit > card company directly. Of course, I ignored that warning and contacted > my credit card company immediately. Can you believe the audacity of > this website posting such an outright lie? Maybe I am naive but it > seems like this website should be shut down. It is not like it is in > China. whois says that it is in New York. > > Now I can not prove that some rogue employee at Dell used my credit > card, but it sure does look that way. Again, I have had this card for > less than six months. It has never been used for an online purchase and > Dell was the first time I actually verbally gave out the credit card > number to someone on the phone. > > I have yet to try and Google anything but I may do so later today but > before I do, I was wondering if anyone on the list ever had an credit > card issues after making a purchase with Dell? > > BTW, my computer is no longer sluggish. I can have OpenOffice, Firefox, > Thunderbird and VLC player all running at the same time now. Yoohoo! > > Michael > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From frank05_82 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 14:42:36 2008 From: frank05_82 at yahoo.com (F. Corona) Date: Tue Dec 2 14:42:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <136840.22210.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i think those DTE cables are only to connect to your incoming DSU/CSU you can connect your router to your switch with a straight through Ethernet cable. --- On Sun, 11/30/08, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: From: FIRESTORM_v1 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 8:57 PM Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this list that knows something about cisco.. :P I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill computerworks a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have a Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a zero, but I don't know.) If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you tell me what will work? Thanks! FIRESTORM_v1 -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 16:20:49 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Tue Dec 2 16:20:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0812021420x47450c39qb6949d5bc6abdfe1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:57 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I > don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via > their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been > able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables > have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both > cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables > have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a > zero, but I don't know.) > > If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you > tell me what will work? > Yup, they will work for serial-to-serial connections. Just make sure you configure one of the routers to provide clocking (with the "clock rate" command) for the other router, else you'll get unreliable data transmission or none at all. -Henry From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 18:10:56 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Tue Dec 2 18:10:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> Message-ID: <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> I took a look at the Dynamips app that you talked about and it sounds really cool, however the wrench in the gears will be the IOS images. I couldn't even pretend having a Cisco contract much less afford one. :P Now all I need is an AUI adapter and I can start working on them. To FRY'S, BATMAN! FIRESTORM_v1 On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Aaron Hackney wrote: > Dennis Myhand wrote: >> >> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >>> >>> Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this list >>> that knows something about cisco.. :P >>> >>> I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill computerworks >>> a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have a >>> Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. >>> >>> Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I >>> don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via >>> their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been >>> able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables >>> have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both >>> cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables >>> have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a >>> zero, but I don't know.) >>> >>> If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you >>> tell me what will work? >>> >>> >> Oh, yeah, they will let you connect the routers together serial-serial. > > Awesome find. You might want to play with the software solution as well. > Dynamips and the Gui front end GNS3. I teach an entire advanced routing > course with Dynamips. > -A > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Aaron Hackney > (210) 325-2196 > Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com > As this e-mail address is not checked! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 19:57:58 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Tue Dec 2 19:58:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0812021757v538710eeuceba91288c37ad38@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I took a look at the Dynamips app that you talked about and it sounds > really cool, however the wrench in the gears will be the IOS images. > I couldn't even pretend having a Cisco contract much less afford one. > :P > > Now all I need is an AUI adapter and I can start working on them. > > To FRY'S, BATMAN! > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > If those routers you bought have images on them then just copy those off with tftp and load them into GNS3. There are always ways to get images .. -Henry From satlug at vinny.us Tue Dec 2 20:26:20 2008 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Tue Dec 2 20:26:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24cb34e0812021826u49cac2a3wa06b7e5c0c8271e3@mail.gmail.com> I have some AUI adapters lying around, and would be more than happy to give you one. =) On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I took a look at the Dynamips app that you talked about and it sounds > really cool, however the wrench in the gears will be the IOS images. > I couldn't even pretend having a Cisco contract much less afford one. > :P > > Now all I need is an AUI adapter and I can start working on them. > > To FRY'S, BATMAN! > > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Aaron Hackney > wrote: > > Dennis Myhand wrote: > >> > >> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > >>> > >>> Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this list > >>> that knows something about cisco.. :P > >>> > >>> I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill computerworks > >>> a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have a > >>> Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. > >>> > >>> Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I > >>> don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via > >>> their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been > >>> able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables > >>> have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both > >>> cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables > >>> have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a > >>> zero, but I don't know.) > >>> > >>> If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you > >>> tell me what will work? > >>> > >>> > >> Oh, yeah, they will let you connect the routers together serial-serial. > > > > Awesome find. You might want to play with the software solution as well. > > Dynamips and the Gui front end GNS3. I teach an entire advanced routing > > course with Dynamips. > > -A > > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Aaron Hackney > > (210) 325-2196 > > Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com > > As this e-mail address is not checked! > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Dec 3 03:05:59 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Wed Dec 3 03:06:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting Message-ID: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Maybe I missed it... Besides elections is there anything scheduled for the December meeting? I know Don will bring the decorations. Any plans for eats? When is the next computer show? (Need to do Christmas shopping--ha ha.) Thanks, Steve From nathan at gvtc.com Wed Dec 3 07:28:38 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Wed Dec 3 07:28:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting Message-ID: <20081203052838.FA631958@resin18.mta.everyone.net> The next computer show is Dec 13th. We want to show off Kid's Games or Kid's Educational Software. I will not be at the show, will be at the San Antonio Botanical Gardens with the Garden Railway Exhibit that day and at TTM that night with our Xmas Show. Nathan --- skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu wrote: Maybe I missed it... Besides elections is there anything scheduled for the December meeting? I know Don will bring the decorations. Any plans for eats? When is the next computer show? (Need to do Christmas shopping--ha ha.) Thanks, Steve -- From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 3 12:46:06 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Dec 3 12:46:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:05:59 -0600, skolars wrote: >Besides elections is there anything scheduled for the December meeting? >I know Don will bring the decorations. Any plans for eats? Have been holding this until after Thanksgiving events calmed down: Yes, the December SATLUG meeting is Wednesday, December 10, 2008. As always, it is open to anyone with an interest in Free/Open Source Software. This is the first chance to order and pay for the new SATLUG shirts, featuring our friendly SalsaTux logo. Details at the meeting, or see Jim's post of 11/23. http://www.satlug.org/pipermail/satlug/2008-November/058634.html It is also the required annual meeting of SATLUG, Inc., the non-profit organization, including election of directors for the board. This shouldn't take very long. Folks who bring something for show-n-tell are always welcome. No formal presentation scheduled so far. Oh, yes. The {Christmas|Hanukkah|Kwanzaa|Solstice|Yule|Eid al-Adha|Zamenhof| "I survived Black Friday and all I got was this lousy HDTV"} Party. This year, in the spirit of Open Source and the traditions of many cultures, the food will be brought by the people who attend. Please reply to this message with what you're gonna bring so we don't end up with fifty bags of red & green tortilla chips. Steve: What restrictions should we follow? No alcohol, no flame (so no Bananas Foster) and what else? See you there! --Don -- "Chipmunks roasting on an open fire..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyu9jppjIAA From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 3 13:00:46 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Dec 3 13:00:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:46:06 -0600, Don Wright wrote: > Please reply to this message >with what you're gonna bring so we don't end up with fifty bags of red & >green tortilla chips. I'll bring a few decorations, the mini-sausage in barbecue sauce, and leftover Halloween candy (Kidding! It's new, it's new.) --Don -- Twelve Days of Christmas - Jeff Foxworthy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suqWNk1vi0o&feature=related From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 13:04:03 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 3 13:04:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <4936D823.50605@gmail.com> Don Wright wrote: > Folks who bring something for show-n-tell are always welcome. No formal > presentation scheduled so far. I'll do something on qt programming. This is the foundation of KDE. It probably won't mean much to someone who is not a programmer, but it might serve as an introduction. > in the spirit of Open Source and the traditions of many cultures, the > food will be brought by the people who attend. Please reply to this message > with what you're gonna bring so we don't end up with fifty bags of red & > green tortilla chips. OK, I'll bring a sandwich. http://www.subway.com/applications/menu/frmProduct.aspx?productId=32&countryCode=USA&languageCode=ENG -- Bruce From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 23:46:31 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Dec 3 23:46:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <49376EB7.203@gmail.com> My apologies, but I won't be able to make either the monthly meeting (I'll be teaching that night) or the LOCC (I have a student-run clinic on that day). However, I'd still like to contribute in some way, if I may. Any thoughts? Cheers; Ed ============ Don Wright wrote: > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:05:59 -0600, skolars > wrote: > > >> Besides elections is there anything scheduled for the December meeting? >> I know Don will bring the decorations. Any plans for eats? >> > > Have been holding this until after Thanksgiving events calmed down: > > Yes, the December SATLUG meeting is Wednesday, December 10, 2008. As always, > it is open to anyone with an interest in Free/Open Source Software. > > This is the first chance to order and pay for the new SATLUG shirts, > featuring our friendly SalsaTux logo. Details at the meeting, or see Jim's > post of 11/23. > http://www.satlug.org/pipermail/satlug/2008-November/058634.html > > It is also the required annual meeting of SATLUG, Inc., the non-profit > organization, including election of directors for the board. This shouldn't > take very long. > > Folks who bring something for show-n-tell are always welcome. No formal > presentation scheduled so far. > > Oh, yes. The {Christmas|Hanukkah|Kwanzaa|Solstice|Yule|Eid al-Adha|Zamenhof| > "I survived Black Friday and all I got was this lousy HDTV"} Party. This > year, in the spirit of Open Source and the traditions of many cultures, the > food will be brought by the people who attend. Please reply to this message > with what you're gonna bring so we don't end up with fifty bags of red & > green tortilla chips. > > Steve: What restrictions should we follow? No alcohol, no flame (so no > Bananas Foster) and what else? > > See you there! --Don > > From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 08:34:16 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 4 08:34:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses Message-ID: <4937EA68.3050802@sbcglobal.net> I want to import e-mail addresses from a floppy. I can mount the floppy, and I have copied the list to the desktop. I can find the import function in the e-mail client, but can't figure out how to get to the floppy or the desktop. The import chain seems to end with a list of cryptic and, to me, meaningless file identifiers. Thanks, Andy Pickens From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Dec 4 11:50:44 2008 From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor) Date: Thu Dec 4 11:50:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Wireless Router w/Multicast Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have a suggestion for a wireless router that actually handles multicast traffic well? I'm currently bridging together two Linksys WRT54G routers using the DD-WRT firmware. Unfortuantely the Linksys routers don't handle multicast traffic very well. The max throughput I can get with the routers (with multicast traffic) is about 3.5Mbps. I did set the beacon interval to 10, which certainly improved the performance, but I really need rates that match unicast traffic. Also, I don't need a link faster than 802.11b. I just need a router that is built to handle multicast traffic in a way that is "smarter" than the Linksys. It looks like there are some wireless router that ae supposed to support wireless HD video, so perhaps one of them might meet my needs. I just wanted to know if anyone had any personal experience with this. Thanks! -Kase _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ From benjaminez at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 17:19:24 2008 From: benjaminez at gmail.com (Benjamin) Date: Thu Dec 4 17:20:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <4937EA68.3050802@sbcglobal.net> References: <4937EA68.3050802@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1E3F677C-3E77-45EA-8809-DBDB0EA984AD@gmail.com> -- Benjamin Barenblat On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Andrew Pickens wrote: > I want to import e-mail addresses from a floppy. I can mount the > floppy, and I have copied the list to the desktop. I can find the > import function in the e-mail client, but can't figure out how to > get to the floppy or the desktop. The import chain seems to end > with a list of cryptic and, to me, meaningless file identifiers. > > Thanks, > Andy Pickens > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From benjaminez at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 17:26:00 2008 From: benjaminez at gmail.com (Benjamin) Date: Thu Dec 4 17:27:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <4937EA68.3050802@sbcglobal.net> References: <4937EA68.3050802@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Whoops, sorry about the blank message. Must have accidentally hit "send" on that one. :P Anyway . . . On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Andrew Pickens wrote: > I want to import e-mail addresses from a floppy. I can find the > import function in the e-mail client, but can't figure out how to > get to the floppy or the desktop. I'm assuming you have a dialog asking for a file path and you don't know the path. I don't know exactly how Puppy does it, but a floppy often mounts at /mnt/floppy or /mnt/fd0, and your desktop is often located at /home/username/Desktop (note capitalization). Benjamin From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 18:03:08 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 4 18:03:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: References: <4937EA68.3050802@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49386FBC.6000500@sbcglobal.net> I can mount the floppy, but I can't find the path from "Import" to the floppy, or the Desktop, either. Andy Benjamin wrote: > Whoops, sorry about the blank message. Must have accidentally hit > "send" on that one. :P > > Anyway . . . > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Andrew Pickens wrote: >> I want to import e-mail addresses from a floppy. I can find the >> import function in the e-mail client, but can't figure out how to get >> to the floppy or the desktop. > > I'm assuming you have a dialog asking for a file path and you don't > know the path. I don't know exactly how Puppy does it, but a floppy > often mounts at /mnt/floppy or /mnt/fd0, and your desktop is often > located at /home/username/Desktop (note capitalization). > > Benjamin From nathan at gvtc.com Thu Dec 4 18:27:19 2008 From: nathan at gvtc.com (Nathan) Date: Thu Dec 4 18:27:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses Message-ID: <20081204162719.FA5E56FC@resin13.mta.everyone.net> The import should give you a dialog box. You need to move 'UP' a few folders until you see the 'mnt', then click on that and choose the fd0. What program are you trying to import to? Nathan --- wg5o@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Andrew Pickens To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:03:08 -0600 I can mount the floppy, but I can't find the path from "Import" to the floppy, or the Desktop, either. Andy Benjamin wrote: > Whoops, sorry about the blank message. Must have accidentally hit > "send" on that one. :P > > Anyway . . . > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Andrew Pickens wrote: >> I want to import e-mail addresses from a floppy. I can find the >> import function in the e-mail client, but can't figure out how to get >> to the floppy or the desktop. > > I'm assuming you have a dialog asking for a file path and you don't > know the path. I don't know exactly how Puppy does it, but a floppy > often mounts at /mnt/floppy or /mnt/fd0, and your desktop is often > located at /home/username/Desktop (note capitalization). > > Benjamin -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 20:29:44 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 4 20:29:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <20081204162719.FA5E56FC@resin13.mta.everyone.net> References: <20081204162719.FA5E56FC@resin13.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <49389218.2090307@sbcglobal.net> Sea Monkey, the supplied client. It seems to be a close relative of Thunderbird. Andy Nathan wrote: > The import should give you a dialog box. You need to move 'UP' a few folders until you see the 'mnt', then click on that and choose the fd0. > > What program are you trying to import to? > > Nathan > > --- wg5o@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > From: Andrew Pickens > To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses > Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:03:08 -0600 > > I can mount the floppy, but I can't find the path from "Import" to the > floppy, or the Desktop, either. > > Andy > > Benjamin wrote: > >> Whoops, sorry about the blank message. Must have accidentally hit >> "send" on that one. :P >> >> Anyway . . . >> >> On Dec 4, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Andrew Pickens wrote: >> >>> I want to import e-mail addresses from a floppy. I can find the >>> import function in the e-mail client, but can't figure out how to get >>> to the floppy or the desktop. >>> >> I'm assuming you have a dialog asking for a file path and you don't >> know the path. I don't know exactly how Puppy does it, but a floppy >> often mounts at /mnt/floppy or /mnt/fd0, and your desktop is often >> located at /home/username/Desktop (note capitalization). >> >> Benjamin >> From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 21:06:30 2008 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Thu Dec 4 21:06:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <49389218.2090307@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <295327.50402.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Andrew Pickens wrote: Sea Monkey, the supplied client. It seems to be a close relative of Thunderbird. I'm not a Puppy user but it should be, as others have stated here, in /mnt/floppy/ or /mnt/fd0/ you might also try /media/floppy/ or /media/fd0/? I use SUSE and that's where it's been for quite a few versions now. Try looking in your favorite file manager (ie konqueror, thunar, or good old mc from the CLI) to see where it is mounted. If you're using KDE try running kwikdisk. That will show you where all your mounts are. HTH, Bill From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 21:20:32 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 4 21:20:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <295327.50402.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <295327.50402.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49389E00.5050603@sbcglobal.net> Thanks. I got it. Per the previous suggestion I opened files until I found .mnt which did the trick. Thanks, Andy Pickens That clown again.... wrote: > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Andrew Pickens wrote: > Sea Monkey, the supplied client. It seems to be a close relative of > Thunderbird. > I'm not a Puppy user but it should be, as others have stated here, in /mnt/floppy/ or /mnt/fd0/ you might also try /media/floppy/ or /media/fd0/ I use SUSE and that's where it's been for quite a few versions now. > > Try looking in your favorite file manager (ie konqueror, thunar, or good old mc from the CLI) to see where it is mounted. If you're using KDE try running kwikdisk. That will show you where all your mounts are. > > HTH, > > Bill > > > > > > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 21:36:31 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Thu Dec 4 21:36:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <49389218.2090307@sbcglobal.net> References: <20081204162719.FA5E56FC@resin13.mta.everyone.net> <49389218.2090307@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4938A1BF.8080400@gmail.com> Andrew Pickens wrote: > Sea Monkey, the supplied client. It seems to be a close relative of > Thunderbird. Seamonkey, http://www.seamonkey-project.org/, is the current instantiation of Netscape/Mozilla. It has integrated web/mail/irc/address book applications. I've been using it for a long time. -- Bruce From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 22:19:05 2008 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Thu Dec 4 22:19:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Puppy Problem: Importing e-mail addresses In-Reply-To: <4938A1BF.8080400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <394630.66398.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Seamonkey, http://www.seamonkey-project.org/, is the current instantiation of Netscape/Mozilla. It has integrated web/mail/irc/address book applications. I've been using it for a long time. And probably the easiest to use WYSIWYG HTML editor there is. Bill From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 23:24:06 2008 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Thu Dec 4 23:24:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 10 things Message-ID: <613299.46920.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bored out of my mind. Business is slowing down for the holidays. The kid's at his mothers. alt.bored is empty. And I stopped drinking years ago. So this list, along with others, shall suffer the wrath of my boredom. **************************************************************************** 10 things I've noticed about Linux **************************************************************************** I get to use cool words like, repo, distro and grep. Man pages are a love-hate relationship. mc is my best friend. ttyquake, because I can. I can spend hours just configuring my screen saver. If I ask whoami, it knows. ssh doesn't mean be quiet. I *AM* SUPER USER!! When a stable version first comes out, it generally isn't. Late at night I can lie in bed and compile my kernel on my laptop when nobody's watching. Bill From seth.priv at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 08:37:57 2008 From: seth.priv at gmail.com (Seth Sanchez) Date: Fri Dec 5 08:38:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: Does anyone happen to know about 2600 meetings here in SA? The website seems to be under construction, and I'd rather not get flagged at work by accessing the 2600 site. :) -- - Seth From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Fri Dec 5 13:28:05 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Fri Dec 5 13:28:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <493980C5.8040407@cis.sac.accd.edu> > Steve: What restrictions should we follow? No alcohol, no flame (so no > Bananas Foster) and what else? > > See you there! --Don > > You covered it well. See you there. I have a class, so I will be in and out. Actually, they could give a presentation on using OpenBSD and pf as a replacement for a Cisco PIX. (Gotta love the volunteering --ha ha). Not Linux, but it is open source. Steve From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 5 17:37:31 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Dec 5 17:37:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: <49376EB7.203@gmail.com> References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> <49376EB7.203@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:46:31 -0600, ed wrote: >My apologies, but I won't be able to make either the monthly meeting >(I'll be teaching that night) or the LOCC (I have a student-run clinic >on that day). However, I'd still like to contribute in some way, if I >may. Any thoughts? Perhaps you could purchase something non-perishable and leave it with someone who will attend? I don't think anyone has claimed the aforementioned chips, for example. --Don -- Extreme Holiday Lights http://www.holdman.com/christmas/video.asp From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 17:52:40 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Dec 5 17:52:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> <49376EB7.203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4939BEC8.2050508@gmail.com> Sounds like a plan. Who lives near Ingram Mall? Cheers; Ed =========== Don Wright wrote: > On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:46:31 -0600, ed wrote: > > >> My apologies, but I won't be able to make either the monthly meeting >> (I'll be teaching that night) or the LOCC (I have a student-run clinic >> on that day). However, I'd still like to contribute in some way, if I >> may. Any thoughts? >> > > Perhaps you could purchase something non-perishable and leave it with > someone who will attend? I don't think anyone has claimed the aforementioned > chips, for example. --Don > > From llewsircttam at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 20:31:12 2008 From: llewsircttam at gmail.com (Matt C) Date: Fri Dec 5 20:31:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18c79a160812051831k6792cbc5ndab3bfec54373b6@mail.gmail.com> I stopped by one a few years ago. They used to meet at the North Star Mall Food Court though I don't know if they do anymore. The time I stopped by they had a little lexan plastic sign thing that said "2600" on it. btw, your job wouldn't happen to be supporting products from a certain very very large telco that is based in San Antonio? On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Seth Sanchez wrote: > Does anyone happen to know about 2600 meetings here in SA? The website > seems > to be under construction, and I'd rather not get flagged at work by > accessing the 2600 site. :) > > -- > - Seth > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From buckmiester35 at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 07:43:09 2008 From: buckmiester35 at gmail.com (K. Reginald Buckner) Date: Sat Dec 6 07:43:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: A Linux based iPhone Challenge?? Message-ID: Again Open Source/Linux has done what others thought only proprietary software could do best. Windows Mobile and the iPhone isnt the real show stealer like Google G1 at TMobile smart phone. Plus it still as not as expensive in the begining as iphone was and has the same touch screen capability. What do you think this do the mobile computing industry? Will force a survival for top rung or it is doomed to be a reject the better for the mediorce??? Reggie Ref this online article: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6126688892.html?kc=rss > From brad at shub-internet.org Sat Dec 6 12:19:47 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sat Dec 6 12:19:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: A Linux based iPhone Challenge?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493AC243.4080106@shub-internet.org> on 12/6/08 7:43 AM, K. Reginald Buckner said: > Again Open Source/Linux has done what others thought only > proprietary software could do best. Windows Mobile and the > iPhone isnt the real show stealer like Google G1 at TMobile > smart phone. Plus it still as not as expensive in the begining > as iphone was and has the same touch screen capability. The thing that the iPhone has is the fanatical, even maniacal, attention that Apple pays to getting everything perfect, and the strong control they have over the developers, because Apple controls the keys to the App Store kingdom. Google doesn't have either of those things. Android is a total mess, and has one of the worst and least consistent user interfaces in the business. Of course, I don't expect that to last forever, but when you've got thousands of people pulling the development in every direction simultaneously, and you don't have that strong centralized control, and you have to always provide support for every type of user input device that can possibly be created, the result is and always will be a mish-mash. Now, if everyone in the world was a computer geek who cared about the operating system on all their devices being Free, then I think Android would be a much bigger threat. But most phone users don't really care, what they want to do is to use their phone. What I think Android will do is force Apple to be more open about their own systems, which I think will be a good thing. And if you look at the growth trends, the primary company to get hurt here will be Nokia. RIM and Microsoft have already been beaten, and I think that gap will continue to widen. And I don't see any secret weapon that they could have that would allow them to come back -- it's not like any of them would adopt Android, which would be their only real chance. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 18:31:37 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sat Dec 6 18:31:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <24cb34e0812021826u49cac2a3wa06b7e5c0c8271e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0812021826u49cac2a3wa06b7e5c0c8271e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <869de8470812061631m6e733ca9ma2e34edb3d36303a@mail.gmail.com> I greatly appreciate the offer but I live in Houston now and unfortunately won't be in the San Antonio area for quite a while. :( If I gave you some money (either check or paypal) could I persuade you to ship me one? Ask Tweeks for a reference if you're leary. Thank you. I went to both Fry's and the local Goodwill computerworks and ended up getting nothing but a blank stare. At Fry's which was previously a haven for the geekly minded, a small bit of me died on the inside when their most senior manager (in his late 40's) looked at me as if I had just insulted his mother and asked if an AUI to Ethernet adapter was some kind of wireless device. He was trying to sell me a print server. I finally gave up and asked for someone Cisco certified. Another agent from the games department finally told me that they used to stock them but have not carried them in a while. It looks like Dynamips might be my only choice, but without ethernet, I'd have to learn to configure it through console to talk to the other router (which is also a 16 port hub) which would then negate the point of getting the AUI adapter. :P Thanks so much for the info, leads and for telling me what I've got. :) FIRESTORM_v1 On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Vinny Huckaba wrote: > I have some AUI adapters lying around, and would be more than happy to give > you one. =) > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > >> I took a look at the Dynamips app that you talked about and it sounds >> really cool, however the wrench in the gears will be the IOS images. >> I couldn't even pretend having a Cisco contract much less afford one. >> :P >> >> Now all I need is an AUI adapter and I can start working on them. >> >> To FRY'S, BATMAN! >> >> >> FIRESTORM_v1 >> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Aaron Hackney >> wrote: >> > Dennis Myhand wrote: >> >> >> >> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this list >> >>> that knows something about cisco.. :P >> >>> >> >>> I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill computerworks >> >>> a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have a >> >>> Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. >> >>> >> >>> Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I >> >>> don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together via >> >>> their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not been >> >>> able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables >> >>> have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both >> >>> cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables >> >>> have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be a >> >>> zero, but I don't know.) >> >>> >> >>> If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you >> >>> tell me what will work? >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Oh, yeah, they will let you connect the routers together serial-serial. >> > >> > Awesome find. You might want to play with the software solution as well. >> > Dynamips and the Gui front end GNS3. I teach an entire advanced routing >> > course with Dynamips. >> > -A >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Aaron Hackney >> > (210) 325-2196 >> > Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com >> > As this e-mail address is not checked! >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu Sat Dec 6 18:38:51 2008 From: geofff at w5omr.shacknet.nu (Geoff) Date: Sat Dec 6 18:38:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470812061631m6e733ca9ma2e34edb3d36303a@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0812021826u49cac2a3wa06b7e5c0c8271e3@mail.gmail.com> <869de8470812061631m6e733ca9ma2e34edb3d36303a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493B1B1B.8070807@w5omr.shacknet.nu> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I greatly appreciate the offer but I live in Houston now and > unfortunately won't be in the San Antonio area for quite a while. :( > > If I gave you some money (either check or paypal) could I persuade you > to ship me one? Ask Tweeks for a reference if you're leary. What part of Houston? I'm up north, near 1960 and I-45 From firestorm.v1 at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 19:08:18 2008 From: firestorm.v1 at gmail.com (FIRESTORM_v1) Date: Sat Dec 6 19:08:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <493B1B1B.8070807@w5omr.shacknet.nu> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0812021826u49cac2a3wa06b7e5c0c8271e3@mail.gmail.com> <869de8470812061631m6e733ca9ma2e34edb3d36303a@mail.gmail.com> <493B1B1B.8070807@w5omr.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <869de8470812061708g4c6830e7xefd5e47c1f88dcce@mail.gmail.com> I'm at 45@Rayford thereabouts. :) Howdy neighbor (well, minus that whole 5+ mile thing....) FIRESTORM_v1 On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Geoff wrote: > FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: >> I greatly appreciate the offer but I live in Houston now and >> unfortunately won't be in the San Antonio area for quite a while. :( >> >> If I gave you some money (either check or paypal) could I persuade you >> to ship me one? Ask Tweeks for a reference if you're leary. > > What part of Houston? I'm up north, near 1960 and I-45 > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at vinny.us Sat Dec 6 20:01:07 2008 From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny Huckaba) Date: Sat Dec 6 20:01:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470812061631m6e733ca9ma2e34edb3d36303a@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0812021826u49cac2a3wa06b7e5c0c8271e3@mail.gmail.com> <869de8470812061631m6e733ca9ma2e34edb3d36303a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24cb34e0812061801i118c4e32p60fe242c5f409d05@mail.gmail.com> Email me directly with your address and I will be glad to mail it to you. I will just drop it in snail mail, don't worry about the shipping charges. Merry Christmas =) On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:31 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > I greatly appreciate the offer but I live in Houston now and > unfortunately won't be in the San Antonio area for quite a while. :( > > If I gave you some money (either check or paypal) could I persuade you > to ship me one? Ask Tweeks for a reference if you're leary. > > Thank you. > > > I went to both Fry's and the local Goodwill computerworks and ended up > getting nothing but a blank stare. At Fry's which was previously a > haven for the geekly minded, a small bit of me died on the inside > when their most senior manager (in his late 40's) looked at me as if I > had just insulted his mother and asked if an AUI to Ethernet adapter > was some kind of wireless device. He was trying to sell me a print > server. > > I finally gave up and asked for someone Cisco certified. Another agent > from the games department finally told me that they used to stock them > but have not carried them in a while. > > It looks like Dynamips might be my only choice, but without ethernet, > I'd have to learn to configure it through console to talk to the other > router (which is also a 16 port hub) which would then negate the point > of getting the AUI adapter. :P > > Thanks so much for the info, leads and for telling me what I've got. :) > > FIRESTORM_v1 > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Vinny Huckaba wrote: > > I have some AUI adapters lying around, and would be more than happy to > give > > you one. =) > > > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 > wrote: > > > >> I took a look at the Dynamips app that you talked about and it sounds > >> really cool, however the wrench in the gears will be the IOS images. > >> I couldn't even pretend having a Cisco contract much less afford one. > >> :P > >> > >> Now all I need is an AUI adapter and I can start working on them. > >> > >> To FRY'S, BATMAN! > >> > >> > >> FIRESTORM_v1 > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Aaron Hackney > >> wrote: > >> > Dennis Myhand wrote: > >> >> > >> >> FIRESTORM_v1 wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Sorry about the OT post, but I know that there's someone on this > list > >> >>> that knows something about cisco.. :P > >> >>> > >> >>> I was able to score two Cisco routers from the goodwill > computerworks > >> >>> a few days ago for a test lab that I am setting up. So far, I have > a > >> >>> Cisco 2501 and a Cisco 2507. > >> >>> > >> >>> Along for the ride are a pair of cables but for the life of me, I > >> >>> don't know if these will allow me to hook the two routers together > via > >> >>> their serial ports. I have googled the part number and have not > been > >> >>> able to discern anything towards accomplishing my goal. The cables > >> >>> have the high density serial port connector on each end, and both > >> >>> cables have one plug that says DCE, the other says DTE. Both cables > >> >>> have the same part number (i think), CAB-FCMTXO-6 (that O could be > a > >> >>> zero, but I don't know.) > >> >>> > >> >>> If these cables won't allow me to connect Serial - Serial, can you > >> >>> tell me what will work? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> Oh, yeah, they will let you connect the routers together > serial-serial. > >> > > >> > Awesome find. You might want to play with the software solution as > well. > >> > Dynamips and the Gui front end GNS3. I teach an entire advanced > routing > >> > course with Dynamips. > >> > -A > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Aaron Hackney > >> > (210) 325-2196 > >> > Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com > >> > As this e-mail address is not checked! > >> > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SATLUG mailing list > >> > SATLUG@satlug.org > >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Dec 6 23:52:14 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat Dec 6 23:52:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December 10th, Shared SATLUG/XCSSA Christmas Mixer Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <200812062352.14915.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Although it wasn't stated.. the SATLUG guys have invited XCSSA to the December 10th (Wed night) SATLUG Christmas party -- as we've done in past years. It sounds like they're going to be doing getting some end of year elections and business out of the way.. but will also be bringing food (pot luck style), and have invited us (XCSSA) to bring some of our X-otic show-n-tell hardware out too. :) Sounds fun! (no alcohol, no open flames, no hacking... ;) Hey SATLUG guys... here's some of the recent fun/x-otic stiff that XCSSA played with in 2008: http://xcssa.org/photos/2008_XCSSA/ Maybe we can bring some to the December 10th SATLUG/XCSSA mixer. :) Hope to see some of you there... Tweeks From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 23:59:57 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sat Dec 6 23:59:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December 10th, Shared SATLUG/XCSSA Christmas Mixer Meeting In-Reply-To: <200812062352.14915.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> <200812062352.14915.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <493B665D.5010808@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > Although it wasn't stated.. the SATLUG guys have invited XCSSA to the December > 10th (Wed night) SATLUG Christmas party -- as we've done in past years. > > It sounds like they're going to be doing getting some end of year elections > and business out of the way.. This is just where we re-elect Jim as president by acclimation. It only takes a minute or two. :) > but will also be bringing food (pot luck > style), and have invited us (XCSSA) to bring some of our X-otic show-n-tell > hardware out too. :) Sounds fun! > (no alcohol, no open flames, no hacking... ;) > > Hey SATLUG guys... here's some of the recent fun/x-otic stiff that XCSSA > played with in 2008: > http://xcssa.org/photos/2008_XCSSA/ > > Maybe we can bring some to the December 10th SATLUG/XCSSA mixer. :) > > > Hope to see some of you there... Sounds great. -- Bruce From afcasta at satx.rr.com Sun Dec 7 11:46:19 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Sun Dec 7 11:46:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] December 10th, Shared SATLUG/XCSSA Christmas Mixer Meeting In-Reply-To: <493B665D.5010808@gmail.com> References: <49364BF7.7050504@cis.sac.accd.edu> <200812062352.14915.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <493B665D.5010808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1228671979.8001.2.camel@phrodo> On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 23:59 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > [...] > This is just where we re-elect Jim as president by acclimation. It only takes a > minute or two. :) s/re-elect/railroad Al Castanoli From brad at shub-internet.org Sun Dec 7 20:02:40 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Sun Dec 7 20:02:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Looking for someone to ID a cisco cable In-Reply-To: <869de8470812061631m6e733ca9ma2e34edb3d36303a@mail.gmail.com> References: <869de8470811301857h56b003casfe490f7961ce7c6a@mail.gmail.com> <49335AC9.4010804@suddenlink.net> <49335C2E.6010402@aaronhackney.com> <869de8470812021610h57e03ceaja3c4da823a0e17c3@mail.gmail.com> <24cb34e0812021826u49cac2a3wa06b7e5c0c8271e3@mail.gmail.com> <869de8470812061631m6e733ca9ma2e34edb3d36303a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493C8040.3040609@shub-internet.org> on 12/6/08 6:31 PM, FIRESTORM_v1 said: > I went to both Fry's and the local Goodwill computerworks and ended up > getting nothing but a blank stare. At Fry's which was previously a > haven for the geekly minded, a small bit of me died on the inside > when their most senior manager (in his late 40's) looked at me as if I > had just insulted his mother and asked if an AUI to Ethernet adapter > was some kind of wireless device. He was trying to sell me a print > server. You know, I think I've got a couple of AUI Ethernet adapters. IIRC, they look pretty much exactly like the one shown at . Unfortunately, these days you can't depend on a place like Fry's. You have to know exactly what you're looking for and exactly where it is. If you depend on them for anything, you're screwed. There are specialty shops in some places that would know what they're talking about, but then you need to know where they are and what they're good at. And if you knew that, you wouldn't be going to Fry's in the first place. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 08:53:56 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Dec 9 08:54:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] big brotherish shtuff : logging links and or time Message-ID: Greetings, Looking for easy to implement software that will allow for link logging and or the amount of time an active connection is on the internet. All Internet connections go through the gateway which is a linux box. The the pc's in assigned static addresses. What would you recommend? I've done a few searches and have come across IPtables log analizer. ::twistedPickles:: : From daniel at rugmonster.org Tue Dec 9 10:00:52 2008 From: daniel at rugmonster.org (Daniel J. Givens) Date: Tue Dec 9 10:01:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] big brotherish shtuff : logging links and or time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493E9634.6090009@rugmonster.org> twistedpickles wrote: > Looking for easy to implement software that will allow for link logging and > or the amount of time an active connection is on the internet. All Internet > connections go through the gateway which is a linux box. The the pc's in > assigned static addresses. What would you recommend? I've done a few > searches and have come across IPtables log analizer. Implement a transparent Squid[1] proxy and use MySAR[2]. [1] http://www.squid-cache.org [2] http://giannis.stoilis.gr/software/mysar/ Enjoy! From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 21:09:05 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Dec 9 21:09:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Wednesday Message-ID: <493F32D1.50808@gmail.com> Just a reminder that we will have out annual holiday party as a part of the meeting Wednesday night. http://www.satlug.org/ There will be food. -- Bruce From michael at michaelrice.org Tue Dec 9 21:09:42 2008 From: michael at michaelrice.org (michael) Date: Tue Dec 9 21:09:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] big brotherish shtuff : logging links and or time In-Reply-To: <493E9634.6090009@rugmonster.org> References: <493E9634.6090009@rugmonster.org> Message-ID: <493F32F6.2040209@grandecom.net> Thats exactly what I deployed at work. Its very simple to set up. I did find that with mysar it makes one nasty database so if you ever need to work with the data in it be ready for a mess... The other thing we ran into on our Centos 5 box doing this was I used the binary importer which is claimed to be "faster" but it does crash according to the cron logs but all the data gets imported.. Daniel J. Givens wrote: > twistedpickles wrote: >> Looking for easy to implement software that will allow for link >> logging and >> or the amount of time an active connection is on the internet. All >> Internet >> connections go through the gateway which is a linux box. The the pc's in >> assigned static addresses. What would you recommend? I've done a few >> searches and have come across IPtables log analizer. > > Implement a transparent Squid[1] proxy and use MySAR[2]. > > [1] http://www.squid-cache.org > [2] http://giannis.stoilis.gr/software/mysar/ > > Enjoy! From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 22:52:50 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Dec 9 22:52:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] big brotherish shtuff : logging links and or time In-Reply-To: <493F32F6.2040209@grandecom.net> References: <493E9634.6090009@rugmonster.org> <493F32F6.2040209@grandecom.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info gonna look into it. ::twistedPickles:: : From president at satlug.org Wed Dec 10 11:28:52 2008 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Wed Dec 10 11:28:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Information on SATLUG Shirts - Larger size shirts Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0812100928q2d221447y96efb82c5b79bdec@mail.gmail.com> Updated Information: All of the shirts ARE available in up to 4XL as follows: Short Sleeve Polo Shirt:(XL) $20.00 Long Sleeve Polo Shirts (2XL - 4XL) $25.00 Short Sleeve Denim Shirts: (XL) $20.00 Long Sleeve Denim Shirts (2XL-4XL)$25.00 As far as shipping for out of town: It appears that I can probably get the shirts sent by USPS Express mail for around $5.00. I know that should be a good number for ONE shirt. I will go by the post office & try to find out if two shirts will fit but I THINK they will. I also will find out if that price includes Insurance because I don't know that for sure. For anyone out of town who comes into SA on a semi-regular basis, but can't make the meetings, I can make advance arrangements to meet to pass on your shirt, with a day or two notice. I still plan on ordering the shirts after the January meeting to accommodate those individuals who are unable to attend the December meeting. It should take about 2 weeks from the time they are ordered until they will be ready for me to pick them up. I will put out a message on the list, when I have picked them up. If you can make the March meeting, they will definitely be available for pickup there. I have had 3 requests on shipping shirts. If you will contact me directly (at the president e-mail address) I will send you my address so you can send a check or money order. (Yes I know that a couple of people have already contacted me) A couple of questions that were asked. Q: What is the size of the logo? A: The SATLUG logo is approximately 2 1/2 inches wide by 3 1/2 inches tall. Q: What colors of shirts contrast better with the logo? A: You can get any color shirt you want. My personal recommendation would be NOT to get a yellow, white, or cream colored shirt. The yellow lettering probably isn't going to be showing up very well on those color polo sshirts. I would say that most of the medium and dark color polo shirts would show up the logo fairly well. See you at the meeting tonight! Jim Wells, President On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Fellow SATLUGers, > > I have finally gotten all the information on ordering shirts with the > SATLUG logo embroidered on them. The cost for the shirts is $20.00 per > shirt for all sizes from small to XL. If you are interested in ordering a > 2XL please let me know so I can verify the price as they are a little bit > more expensive) We will need to order a MINIMUM of 24 shirts. We can > collect the money at the December & January meetings and then order the > shirts a few days later. It should take approximately 10 business days to > have them ready for pickup and we can start passing them out at the February > meeting. > > IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND ONE OF THESE MEETINGS and still want to order a > shirt, I can make arrangements to meet with you on a weekend or one evening > during the week. I live just North of downtown and am on the Northside near > Blanco & Loop 1604 on (most) Thursday evenings. > > For available colors (on the polo shirts) I have included a link below each > that gives a list of the colors available. The short sleeve polo shirts are > 100% cotton while the long sleeves are 60/40 cotton/polyester blend. I > don't see a color sample for the denim shirts, just a description on the > color. > > The SATLUG logo doesn't seem to show up quite as well on white or cream > colored shirts so you might want to consider that when letting me know what > color shirt you want. If you will also give an alternate color just in case > the color you want is out of stock or otherwise unavailable. > > For questions, please contact me directly if you don't care to have your > question out there for the world to see. > > > Short Sleeve Polo Shirts #BG2201 > http://www.bluegeneration.com/knit-shirts/BG-2201.html > > Long Sleeve Polo shirts #BG7207 > http://www.bluegeneration.com/knit-shirts/BG-7207.html > > Short Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206S > Available in Faded Blue & Vintage Blue > > Long Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206 > Available in Faded Blue, Vintage Blue & Dark Indigo > > > I apologize for it taking so long. Their location closes before I can get > there after work & I was only able to get by there & talking to a live body > face to face. > > Jim Wells, President > San Antonio Linux Users Group > From president at satlug.org Wed Dec 10 11:36:44 2008 From: president at satlug.org (Jim Wells, President) Date: Wed Dec 10 11:36:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Information on SATLUG Shirts - Larger size shirts In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0812100928q2d221447y96efb82c5b79bdec@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0812100928q2d221447y96efb82c5b79bdec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0812100936p4e680001nd271281e0e4bdcdb@mail.gmail.com> The Short Sleeve Demin Shirts up to 4XL are also $20.00. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Jim Wells, President wrote: > Updated Information: > > All of the shirts ARE available in up to 4XL as follows: > > Short Sleeve Polo Shirt:(XL) $20.00 > Long Sleeve Polo Shirts (2XL - 4XL) $25.00 > > Short Sleeve Denim Shirts: (XL) $20.00 > Long Sleeve Denim Shirts (2XL-4XL)$25.00 > > As far as shipping for out of town: > > It appears that I can probably get the shirts sent by USPS Express mail for > around $5.00. I know that should be a good number for ONE shirt. I will go > by the post office & try to find out if two shirts will fit but I THINK they > will. I also will find out if that price includes Insurance because I don't > know that for sure. > > For anyone out of town who comes into SA on a semi-regular basis, but can't > make the meetings, I can make advance arrangements to meet to pass on your > shirt, with a day or two notice. > > I still plan on ordering the shirts after the January meeting to > accommodate those individuals who are unable to attend the December > meeting. It should take about 2 weeks from the time they are ordered until > they will be ready for me to pick them up. I will put out a message on the > list, when I have picked them up. If you can make the March meeting, they > will definitely be available for pickup there. > > I have had 3 requests on shipping shirts. If you will contact me directly > (at the president e-mail address) I will send you my address so you can send > a check or money order. (Yes I know that a couple of people have already > contacted me) > > A couple of questions that were asked. > > Q: What is the size of the logo? > > A: The SATLUG logo is approximately 2 1/2 inches wide by 3 1/2 inches tall. > > Q: What colors of shirts contrast better with the logo? > > A: You can get any color shirt you want. My personal recommendation would > be NOT to get a yellow, white, or cream colored shirt. The yellow lettering > probably isn't going to be showing up very well on those color polo > sshirts. I would say that most of the medium and dark color polo shirts > would show up the logo fairly well. > > See you at the meeting tonight! > > Jim Wells, President > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jim Wells, President < > president@satlug.org> wrote: > >> Fellow SATLUGers, >> >> I have finally gotten all the information on ordering shirts with the >> SATLUG logo embroidered on them. The cost for the shirts is $20.00 per >> shirt for all sizes from small to XL. If you are interested in ordering a >> 2XL please let me know so I can verify the price as they are a little bit >> more expensive) We will need to order a MINIMUM of 24 shirts. We can >> collect the money at the December & January meetings and then order the >> shirts a few days later. It should take approximately 10 business days to >> have them ready for pickup and we can start passing them out at the February >> meeting. >> >> IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND ONE OF THESE MEETINGS and still want to order >> a shirt, I can make arrangements to meet with you on a weekend or one >> evening during the week. I live just North of downtown and am on the >> Northside near Blanco & Loop 1604 on (most) Thursday evenings. >> >> For available colors (on the polo shirts) I have included a link below >> each that gives a list of the colors available. The short sleeve polo >> shirts are 100% cotton while the long sleeves are 60/40 cotton/polyester >> blend. I don't see a color sample for the denim shirts, just a description >> on the color. >> >> The SATLUG logo doesn't seem to show up quite as well on white or cream >> colored shirts so you might want to consider that when letting me know what >> color shirt you want. If you will also give an alternate color just in case >> the color you want is out of stock or otherwise unavailable. >> >> For questions, please contact me directly if you don't care to have your >> question out there for the world to see. >> >> >> Short Sleeve Polo Shirts #BG2201 >> http://www.bluegeneration.com/knit-shirts/BG-2201.html >> >> Long Sleeve Polo shirts #BG7207 >> http://www.bluegeneration.com/knit-shirts/BG-7207.html >> >> Short Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206S >> Available in Faded Blue & Vintage Blue >> >> Long Sleeve Denim Shirts #BG8206 >> Available in Faded Blue, Vintage Blue & Dark Indigo >> >> >> I apologize for it taking so long. Their location closes before I can get >> there after work & I was only able to get by there & talking to a live body >> face to face. >> >> Jim Wells, President >> San Antonio Linux Users Group >> > > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 11:50:21 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 10 11:50:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Information on SATLUG Shirts - Larger size shirts In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0812100936p4e680001nd271281e0e4bdcdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0812100928q2d221447y96efb82c5b79bdec@mail.gmail.com> <8c9fbbeb0812100936p4e680001nd271281e0e4bdcdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4940015D.5080006@gmail.com> A picture of the SATLUG logo as it appears on the shirts is now on the website. http://www.satlug.org/ -- Bruce From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 10 21:52:47 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Wed Dec 10 21:52:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning Message-ID: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix Windows so I can run a tax program? Andy Pickens From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 22:01:53 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 10 22:01:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> References: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> Andrew Pickens wrote: > Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is > broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix > Windows so I can run a tax program? Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or 1040. How many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that complicated, but I can sit down with the instructions and have things done in a couple of hours. -- Bruce From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 10 22:12:27 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Wed Dec 10 22:11:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> References: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4940932B.2070105@lookcee.com> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Andrew Pickens wrote: >> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is >> broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix >> Windows so I can run a tax program? > > Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or > 1040. How many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that > complicated, but I can sit down with the instructions and have things > done in a couple of hours. > > -- Bruce Andy, I no longer have to file being on SS & SSI but I went on line and was able to prepare the simple form for the past rebate free. I just filled out the questions and then printed the forms. I just googled 'Linux income tax' and there are tons of results http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+income+tax&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a I expect you can find what you need by refining the search. herb From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 22:14:20 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Dec 10 22:14:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <4940932B.2070105@lookcee.com> References: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> <4940932B.2070105@lookcee.com> Message-ID: Most of the software houses now let you do it online in a web browser. Problem solved. E On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM, herb cee wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> Andrew Pickens wrote: >> >>> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is >>> broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix Windows >>> so I can run a tax program? >>> >> >> Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or >> 1040. How many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that >> complicated, but I can sit down with the instructions and have things done >> in a couple of hours. >> >> -- Bruce >> > Andy, I no longer have to file being on SS & SSI but I went on line and was > able to prepare the simple form for the past rebate free. I just filled out > the questions and then printed the forms. I just googled 'Linux income tax' > and there are tons of results > > http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+income+tax&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a > > I expect you can find what you need by refining the search. > herb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From justin.burdette at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 22:32:54 2008 From: justin.burdette at gmail.com (Justin Burdette) Date: Wed Dec 10 22:32:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: References: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> <4940932B.2070105@lookcee.com> Message-ID: I do mine on H&R Block's site...just have to use User Agent Switcher in Firefox to make it think I'm using IE. On 12/10/08, Ernest De Leon wrote: > Most of the software houses now let you do it online in a web browser. > Problem solved. > > E > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM, herb cee wrote: > >> Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> >>> Andrew Pickens wrote: >>> >>>> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is >>>> broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix >>>> Windows >>>> so I can run a tax program? >>>> >>> >>> Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or >>> 1040. How many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that >>> complicated, but I can sit down with the instructions and have things >>> done >>> in a couple of hours. >>> >>> -- Bruce >>> >> Andy, I no longer have to file being on SS & SSI but I went on line and >> was >> able to prepare the simple form for the past rebate free. I just filled >> out >> the questions and then printed the forms. I just googled 'Linux income >> tax' >> and there are tons of results >> >> http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+income+tax&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a >> >> I expect you can find what you need by refining the search. >> herb >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Get help from Justin Burdette! From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Wed Dec 10 23:26:55 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Wed Dec 10 23:26:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras Message-ID: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> Does anyone know of a resource (web site, article, etc.) that might have an up-to-date list of digital cameras that are known to work well (or poorly) with Linux? And if any of you have personal experiences you'd wish to relay, I'd like to hear those as well. I want to get my wife a digital camera for Christmas, but I know she will get frustrated with it if it isn't easy to use right out of the box. Al Lesmerises From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Dec 10 23:47:12 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Wed Dec 10 23:47:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest 2009 Message-ID: <4940A960.80304@cis.sac.accd.edu> The 2009 Open Source Fest is scheduled for May 12 - 16. If you wish to present, please let me know as soon as possible. If you wish to see a topic presented, please let me know. I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and a Happy (and safe) New Year. Steve From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 10 23:50:43 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Wed Dec 10 23:49:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4940AA33.6050704@lookcee.com> Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Does anyone know of a resource (web site, article, etc.) that might > have an up-to-date list of digital cameras that are known to work well > (or poorly) with Linux? And if any of you have personal experiences > you'd wish to relay, I'd like to hear those as well. > > I want to get my wife a digital camera for Christmas, but I know she > will get frustrated with it if it isn't easy to use right out of the box. > > Al Lesmerises > Hey Al, I use a Vivitar and it uses a flash card so on insertion into the USB reader Ubuntu automatically opens it with a default program. I highly recommend getting one with removable memory rather than requiring the Cam to be plugged to the box. I am delighted with my 2yr old digi-cam used it in Windows before converting to Linux but for a small device it was very complicated to set all the settings and learn what all the tiny buttons do. However, once I got that done it is remembering which buttons I always push to get it set for auto point and shoot. herb From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Dec 10 23:49:54 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Dec 10 23:50:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4940AA02.9070709@shub-internet.org> on 12/10/08 11:26 PM, Alan Lesmerises said: > Does anyone know of a resource (web site, article, etc.) that might have > an up-to-date list of digital cameras that are known to work well (or > poorly) with Linux? And if any of you have personal experiences you'd > wish to relay, I'd like to hear those as well. What do you mean "works well with Linux"? All the digital cameras I've used have recorded their images on a removable card, which I can just plug into whatever computer I want, and then it's up to me to find the software I want to use to process those files. > I want to get my wife a digital camera for Christmas, but I know she > will get frustrated with it if it isn't easy to use right out of the box. When looking at digital cameras, I usually spend most of my time on dpreview.com and stevesdigicams.com. I will say that Canon and Nikon traditionally have the best cameras, pretty much all the way up and down the line. Some models are better than others, but they are the Top Tier companies in this field. The dpreview.com website has a really good set of tools to help you select the right camera for you, between their buyers guides (including the ability to search for specific features), their side-by-side comparisons, and so on. Right now, I think one of the best point-and-shoots you can get is the Canon PowerShot SD990IS -- it's the first point-and-shoot to include a Digic IV processor, and with the Canon Hack Developers Kit (see ), you can enable most of the features which would otherwise only be available to DSLR owners. Of course CHDK has not yet been ported to the Digic IV, but I'm sure that will be fixed soon. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 00:08:28 2008 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Thu Dec 11 00:08:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] problems with new hard drive and linux Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/76408-mount-dev-hda1.jpg - -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: http://getfiregpg.org iD8DBQFJQK5gxp8Ys+E7CQkRAhKaAKCpK0CibfVgRMrlgEeoGErZNlvhYwCgl3zf n2jJUB96M+t/9tijmTOJDRA= =/bfa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 00:16:51 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Dec 11 00:17:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] andy taxes Message-ID: <7e4994a70812102216h7aebf48ek40ebfb473e9636cc@mail.gmail.com> did mine online using Firefox browser...irs.gov has several recommended links for filing on their website. I checked them out and found one who lets you file for free so I did! No problems! Using Ubuntu Hardy Heron..no software necessary! cheryl From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 00:16:51 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Dec 11 00:17:39 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] andy taxes Message-ID: <7e4994a70812102216h7aebf48ek40ebfb473e9636cc@mail.gmail.com> did mine online using Firefox browser...irs.gov has several recommended links for filing on their website. I checked them out and found one who lets you file for free so I did! No problems! Using Ubuntu Hardy Heron..no software necessary! cheryl From ovalvw57 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 00:19:16 2008 From: ovalvw57 at yahoo.com (That clown again....) Date: Thu Dec 11 00:19:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] problems with new hard drive and linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <284505.37464.qm@web50411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Christopher Lemire wrote:> http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/76408-mount-dev-hda1.jpg Bet it comes with a wife-swap partition. Bill From satlug at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 01:12:35 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Thu Dec 11 01:12:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <51a1k4dopobjhf7hrkvpv8qcqhhfuiksap@4ax.com> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:26:55 -0600, Alan Lesmerises wrote: >I want to get my wife a digital camera for Christmas, but I know she >will get frustrated with it if it isn't easy to use right out of the box. At least two of us (in SATLUG) have the Canon PowerShot A520. USB connection, standard SD card, works with regular Debian desktop software, no hassles. It has a ton of program features I thought I would use, but so far I seldom deviate from full auto mode. I would spend some time thinking about how the camera is going to be used. That once-in-a-lifetime trip up the Sepik River is a lot tougher on electronics than an afternoon at Lost Maples. Megapixels may count far less than battery life when you're far from Wal*Mart. --Don -- http://www.travelblog.org/Oceania/Papua-New-Guinea/blog-32736.html -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Dec 11 07:56:50 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Dec 11 07:56:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <4940AA02.9070709@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <200812111356.mBBDuo4h018441@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > on 12/10/08 11:26 PM, Alan Lesmerises said: > > Does anyone know of a resource (web site, article, etc.) that might have > > an up-to-date list of digital cameras that are known to work well (or > > poorly) with Linux? And if any of you have personal experiences you'd > > wish to relay, I'd like to hear those as well. > > What do you mean "works well with Linux"? All the digital cameras I've > used have recorded their images on a removable card, which I can just > plug into whatever computer I want, and then it's up to me to find the > software I want to use to process those files. > > > I want to get my wife a digital camera for Christmas, but I know she > > will get frustrated with it if it isn't easy to use right out of the box. > > When looking at digital cameras, I usually spend most of my time on > dpreview.com and stevesdigicams.com. > > I will say that Canon and Nikon traditionally have the best cameras, > pretty much all the way up and down the line. Some models are better > than others, but they are the Top Tier companies in this field. The > dpreview.com website has a really good set of tools to help you select > the right camera for you, between their buyers guides (including the > ability to search for specific features), their side-by-side > comparisons, and so on. > > Right now, I think one of the best point-and-shoots you can get is the > Canon PowerShot SD990IS -- it's the first point-and-shoot to include a > Digic IV processor, and with the Canon Hack Developers Kit (see > ), you can enable most of the features > which would otherwise only be available to DSLR owners. Of course CHDK > has not yet been ported to the Digic IV, but I'm sure that will be fixed > soon. Ditto on all of this. I have been using dpreview.com forever, it is truly an outstanding site with the best reviews, period. Definitely consult this before buying. I am a longtime Canon fan, and have bought quite a few Canon cameras in the past, and ALL of the ones I bought (both video and still) have been 100% workable under Linux. I want to add to Brad's comments that I am using a package called digikam (http://www.digikam.org/) which uses the USB connections on my cameras to talk to them over a USB cable using the gphoto 2 plugin (http://www.gphoto.org/), however, I find it is usually faster to take the chip out and put it into a chip reader with USB 2.0. You still may want to check the gphoto2 website to see if the camera you plan to buy is supported. There are over 1000 cameras listed at: http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php However, if your camera has a removable memory card it can be read regardless using a chip reader, but the digikam/gphoto2 combo may be the most intuitive setup for the wife. Good luck, -b. From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Dec 11 08:01:41 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Dec 11 08:01:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812111401.mBBE1fcJ018547@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Andrew Pickens wrote: > > Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is > > broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix > > Windows so I can run a tax program? > > Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or 1040. How > many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that complicated, but I can sit > down with the instructions and have things done in a couple of hours. > > -- Bruce For those of us with more complicated taxes, I have been using Intuit's turbotax under VMWare using my old win2k package. I like being able to import from my Quickenbooks accounting package and have it autofill the relevant fields in the Turbotax program. I also don't like to go out and store my tax info on the web on someone else's server. I have been using this solution since the times of WABI using win 3.1 (anyone remember this?). When VMWare became available, I switched. -b. From mkr777 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 08:04:25 2008 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Thu Dec 11 08:04:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <51a1k4dopobjhf7hrkvpv8qcqhhfuiksap@4ax.com> References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> <51a1k4dopobjhf7hrkvpv8qcqhhfuiksap@4ax.com> Message-ID: Battery is an issue. All the three Canon cameras I own, use regular AA batteries which are not expensive and easily available anywhere. The thinner and smaller cameras use lithium batteries and replacement can be tough and expensive. Also when buying the SDHC cards, I would go with the fastest (class 6) which can be purchased on-line at competitive prices. Buy it early so that by Christmas, you will be familiar with all the controls to take some good shots. mkr On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Don Wright wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:26:55 -0600, Alan Lesmerises > wrote: > > >I want to get my wife a digital camera for Christmas, but I know she > >will get frustrated with it if it isn't easy to use right out of the box. > > At least two of us (in SATLUG) have the Canon PowerShot A520. USB > connection, standard SD card, works with regular Debian desktop software, > no > hassles. It has a ton of program features I thought I would use, but so far > I seldom deviate from full auto mode. > > I would spend some time thinking about how the camera is going to be used. > That once-in-a-lifetime trip up the Sepik River is a lot tougher on > electronics than an afternoon at Lost Maples. Megapixels may count far less > than battery life when you're far from Wal*Mart. --Don > > -- > http://www.travelblog.org/Oceania/Papua-New-Guinea/blog-32736.html > > -- > Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 09:23:02 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:23:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> References: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49413056.2040309@sbcglobal.net> Yes, I need a tax program. In addition to not being particularly smart, we have a fairly complex joint return, and, in addition, I have to do an individual return for my wife and myself, to determine the division of the tax paid. (We are widowed people who each have our separate incomes, etc.) Andy Bruce Dubbs wrote: > > Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or > 1040. How many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that > complicated, but I can sit down with the instructions and have things > done in a couple of hours. > > -- Bruce From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 09:25:07 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:25:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <4940932B.2070105@lookcee.com> References: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> <4940932B.2070105@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <494130D3.20606@sbcglobal.net> Thanks. I'll give it a shot. Andy "Andy, I no longer have to file being on SS & SSI but I went on line and was able to prepare the simple form for the past rebate free. I just filled out the questions and then printed the forms. I just googled 'Linux income tax' and there are tons of results http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+income+tax&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a I expect you can find what you need by refining the search. herb " herb cee wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Andrew Pickens wrote: >>> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is >>> broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix >>> Windows so I can run a tax program? >> >> Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or >> 1040. How many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that >> complicated, but I can sit down with the instructions and have things >> done in a couple of hours. >> >> -- Bruce > Andy, I no longer have to file being on SS & SSI but I went on line > and was able to prepare the simple form for the past rebate free. I > just filled out the questions and then printed the forms. I just > googled 'Linux income tax' and there are tons of results > http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+income+tax&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a > > > I expect you can find what you need by refining the search. > herb From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 09:35:58 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:36:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: References: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> <4940932B.2070105@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4941335E.5000400@sbcglobal.net> Agent Switcher? I'm glad I asked; I'll work that angle, too. I must say, however, that I'm a bit leery of putting all the details of my financial life on line. Thanks to all. Andy Justin Burdette wrote: > I do mine on H&R Block's site...just have to use User Agent Switcher > in Firefox to make it think I'm using IE. > > On 12/10/08, Ernest De Leon wrote: > >> Most of the software houses now let you do it online in a web browser. >> Problem solved. >> >> E >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM, herb cee wrote: >> >> >>> Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Andrew Pickens wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is >>>>> broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix >>>>> Windows >>>>> so I can run a tax program? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or >>>> 1040. How many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that >>>> complicated, but I can sit down with the instructions and have things >>>> done >>>> in a couple of hours. >>>> >>>> -- Bruce >>>> >>>> >>> Andy, I no longer have to file being on SS & SSI but I went on line and >>> was >>> able to prepare the simple form for the past rebate free. I just filled >>> out >>> the questions and then printed the forms. I just googled 'Linux income >>> tax' >>> and there are tons of results >>> >>> http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+income+tax&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a >>> >>> I expect you can find what you need by refining the search. >>> herb >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > From hharadon at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 09:42:35 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:42:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:26:55 -0600 > From: Alan Lesmerises > Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras > To: SATLUG Mail Group > Message-ID: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Does anyone know of a resource (web site, article, etc.) that might have > an up-to-date list of digital cameras that are known to work well (or > poorly) with Linux? And if any of you have personal experiences you'd > wish to relay, I'd like to hear those as well. > > I want to get my wife a digital camera for Christmas, but I know she > will get frustrated with it if it isn't easy to use right out of the box. > > Al Lesmerises My wife has the Olympus Stylus 1010, and it works fine with the Linux version of Picasa and also as a regular USB storage device (Ubuntu IDs is as sdb). In fact, my own limited experience with digital cameras has been always successful when using them as just USB devices; then using builtin Linux (or WinXP) tools to access the JPGs. BTW, we have been very happy with the quality and features of this small camera. Good luck, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 09:48:09 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:48:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] andy taxes In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70812102216h7aebf48ek40ebfb473e9636cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70812102216h7aebf48ek40ebfb473e9636cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49413639.40202@sbcglobal.net> Thanks. Andy Cheryl Holmes wrote: > did mine online using Firefox browser...irs.gov has several recommended > links for filing on their website. I checked them out and found one who > lets you file for free so I did! No problems! Using Ubuntu Hardy Heron..no > software necessary! cheryl > From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 09:57:53 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:57:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <200812111401.mBBE1fcJ018547@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812111401.mBBE1fcJ018547@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49413881.5030409@sbcglobal.net> WMWare. OK, I'll have to learn about that, too. Andy Borries Demeler wrote: >> Andrew Pickens wrote: >> >>> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is >>> broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix >>> Windows so I can run a tax program? >>> >> Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or 1040. How >> many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that complicated, but I can sit >> down with the instructions and have things done in a couple of hours. >> >> -- Bruce >> > > For those of us with more complicated taxes, I have been using Intuit's > turbotax under VMWare using my old win2k package. I like being able to > import from my Quickenbooks accounting package and have it autofill the > relevant fields in the Turbotax program. I also don't like to go out and > store my tax info on the web on someone else's server. I have been using > this solution since the times of WABI using win 3.1 (anyone remember this?). > When VMWare became available, I switched. > > -b. > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Dec 11 10:03:35 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Dec 11 10:03:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <49413881.5030409@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200812111603.mBBG3ZuZ025019@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > WMWare. OK, I'll have to learn about that, too. Andrew, VMWare is a package that allows you to run Windows underneath Linux. There are two ways to do it: get the free vmware player and run an image of a Windows installation (can be any OS, all of win95, win2k, NT, XP, etc. work under VMWare). You need to have an image made by someone else. Once you got that, you can modify the image and add software of your liking. The other option is to buy a copy of VMware and make the image yourself. At any rate, this gives you a full-featured Windows version to run underneath of Linux, within a window. And you can install any windows software inside this image and use it as if you were running it natively. I also like VMWare since the image can be simply copied for backup somewhere else. Regards, -Borries > > Andy > > Borries Demeler wrote: > >> Andrew Pickens wrote: > >> > >>> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is > >>> broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix > >>> Windows so I can run a tax program? > >>> > >> Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or 1040. How > >> many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that complicated, but I can sit > >> down with the instructions and have things done in a couple of hours. > >> > >> -- Bruce > >> > > > > For those of us with more complicated taxes, I have been using Intuit's > > turbotax under VMWare using my old win2k package. I like being able to > > import from my Quickenbooks accounting package and have it autofill the > > relevant fields in the Turbotax program. I also don't like to go out and > > store my tax info on the web on someone else's server. I have been using > > this solution since the times of WABI using win 3.1 (anyone remember this?). > > When VMWare became available, I switched. > > > > -b. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 10:06:52 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 11 10:06:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <200812111603.mBBG3ZuZ025019@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812111603.mBBG3ZuZ025019@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49413A9C.8090600@sbcglobal.net> Thanks, Borries. That helps a lot. Andy Borries Demeler wrote: >> WMWare. OK, I'll have to learn about that, too. >> > > Andrew, > > VMWare is a package that allows you to run Windows underneath Linux. > There are two ways to do it: > > get the free vmware player and run an image of a Windows installation > (can be any OS, all of win95, win2k, NT, XP, etc. work under VMWare). > You need to have an image made by someone else. Once you got that, > you can modify the image and add software of your liking. > > The other option is to buy a copy of VMware and make the image yourself. > > At any rate, this gives you a full-featured Windows version to run > underneath of Linux, within a window. And you can install any windows > software inside this image and use it as if you were running it natively. > > I also like VMWare since the image can be simply copied for backup > somewhere else. > > Regards, -Borries > >> Andy >> >> Borries Demeler wrote: >> >>>> Andrew Pickens wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP is >>>>> broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to fix >>>>> Windows so I can run a tax program? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, or 1040. How >>>> many schedules. I admit that my filings are not that complicated, but I can sit >>>> down with the instructions and have things done in a couple of hours. >>>> >>>> -- Bruce >>>> >>>> >>> For those of us with more complicated taxes, I have been using Intuit's >>> turbotax under VMWare using my old win2k package. I like being able to >>> import from my Quickenbooks accounting package and have it autofill the >>> relevant fields in the Turbotax program. I also don't like to go out and >>> store my tax info on the web on someone else's server. I have been using >>> this solution since the times of WABI using win 3.1 (anyone remember this?). >>> When VMWare became available, I switched. >>> >>> -b. >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Thu Dec 11 10:10:49 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Thu Dec 11 10:10:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] virtual box Message-ID: <200812111610.mBBGAnv3014703@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Alex, thanks for bringing this to my attention, I had never heard of it. This looks indeed like the solution I have been looking for. If it works as well as VMWare, I am sure I'll be replacing my VMWare stuff and start using VirtualBox. -b. From astro at astr0.org Thu Dec 11 10:12:31 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (brian lewis) Date: Thu Dec 11 10:12:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <49413A9C.8090600@sbcglobal.net> References: <200812111603.mBBG3ZuZ025019@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49413A9C.8090600@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49413BEF.4050305@astr0.org> This has probably been mentioned (I haven't read the thread), but the last 2 years in a row I used turbotax.com from both Ubuntu and Fedora installs, and used Firefox without a problem. Most of the online "in browser" programs should work just fine for this. Thanks, Brian Andrew Pickens wrote: > Thanks, Borries. That helps a lot. > > Andy > > Borries Demeler wrote: >>> WMWare. OK, I'll have to learn about that, too. >>> >> >> Andrew, >> >> VMWare is a package that allows you to run Windows underneath Linux. >> There are two ways to do it: >> >> get the free vmware player and run an image of a Windows installation >> (can be any OS, all of win95, win2k, NT, XP, etc. work under VMWare). >> You need to have an image made by someone else. Once you got that, >> you can modify the image and add software of your liking. >> >> The other option is to buy a copy of VMware and make the image yourself. >> >> At any rate, this gives you a full-featured Windows version to run >> underneath of Linux, within a window. And you can install any windows >> software inside this image and use it as if you were running it >> natively. >> >> I also like VMWare since the image can be simply copied for backup >> somewhere else. >> >> Regards, -Borries >> >>> Andy >>> >>> Borries Demeler wrote: >>> >>>>> Andrew Pickens wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tax time is coming. I have been using Ubuntu, and my Windows XP >>>>>> is broken. How do Linux users do their income tax? Do I have to >>>>>> fix Windows so I can run a tax program? >>>>>> >>>>> Do you really need a tax program? Are you filing a 1040EZ, 1040A, >>>>> or 1040. How many schedules. I admit that my filings are not >>>>> that complicated, but I can sit down with the instructions and >>>>> have things done in a couple of hours. >>>>> >>>>> -- Bruce >>>>> >>>> For those of us with more complicated taxes, I have been using >>>> Intuit's >>>> turbotax under VMWare using my old win2k package. I like being able to >>>> import from my Quickenbooks accounting package and have it autofill >>>> the >>>> relevant fields in the Turbotax program. I also don't like to go >>>> out and >>>> store my tax info on the web on someone else's server. I have been >>>> using >>>> this solution since the times of WABI using win 3.1 (anyone >>>> remember this?). >>>> When VMWare became available, I switched. >>>> >>>> -b. >>>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> >> From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 10:26:39 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Dec 11 10:26:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] virtual box In-Reply-To: <200812111610.mBBGAnv3014703@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812111610.mBBGAnv3014703@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0812110826k94c085x7f94007ee4f1edca@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Borries Demeler wrote: > Alex, > > thanks for bringing this to my attention, I had never heard of it. > This looks indeed like the solution I have been looking for. If it > works as well as VMWare, I am sure I'll be replacing my VMWare stuff > and start using VirtualBox. There is also a trick with VMPlayer that uses an empty disk image file and setting ide0 to an ISO image. This tricks the VMPlayer into booting the ISO image, which then lets you install whatever operating system you want inside the empty disk image. -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Dec 11 11:13:30 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Dec 11 11:13:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> <51a1k4dopobjhf7hrkvpv8qcqhhfuiksap@4ax.com> Message-ID: <49414A3A.2040107@shub-internet.org> MKR wrote: > Battery is an issue. All the three Canon cameras I own, use regular AA > batteries which are not expensive and easily available anywhere. The thinner > and smaller cameras use lithium batteries and replacement can be tough and > expensive. That's one of the reasons why I stopped using my old Canon SD550, and bought a Pentax Optio -- I had forgotten to bring my charger with me, so the old camera was dead, and I needed to have something to use. The only one I could quickly find at the time was the Pentax, so I bought it. However, more recent Canon PowerShot SD-series cameras have gotten much better with battery life, and I've been starting to think about switching back again. > Also when buying the SDHC cards, I would go with the fastest (class 6) which > can be purchased on-line at competitive prices. Fast SDHC cards are absolutely the way to go. I would never even think about anything else. In fact, I didn't think about anything else, which is why I didn't even think to bring up this issue. > Buy it early so that by > Christmas, you will be familiar with all the controls to take some good > shots. Agreed. Just remember that a good photographer with a crappy camera can take much better pictures than a crappy photographer with a good camera. And practice is the single biggest contributor to being a good photographer. You really need to know what your camera can and can't do, and the best way to learn that is to just try to do stuff and see what works and what doesn't. Then try to understand why it does or doesn't work, and what can be done to compensate. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Dec 11 11:15:23 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Dec 11 11:15:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <49413056.2040309@sbcglobal.net> References: <49408E8F.9090304@sbcglobal.net> <494090B1.4030600@gmail.com> <49413056.2040309@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <49414AAB.8020104@shub-internet.org> Andrew Pickens wrote: > Yes, I need a tax program. In addition to not being particularly > smart, we have a fairly complex joint return, and, in addition, I have > to do an individual return for my wife and myself, to determine the > division of the tax paid. (We are widowed people who each have our > separate incomes, etc.) If your taxes are that complex, then you're probably better off getting a CPA to do them for you. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 12:12:17 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Dec 11 12:12:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] taxes Message-ID: <7e4994a70812111012s698e4cb6g79a14a9a0bb39ecd@mail.gmail.com> Andy, If your taxes are that complex I also have to advise your getting a CPA. My hard headed sister DIDN'T a couple years ago when she sold and bought a new home...she didn'y want to pay the money to a CPA so she went to the accounting school at OLOL University where students prepare taxes for free and where they are supposed to be checked by the PROF's (NOT) and she ended up having to pay the IRS $6000 + in taxes, interest and penalties because her taxes were prepared incorrectly. The University has no liability like a CPA does so she was screwed. If you have any money, don't risk having them done incorrectly..please do get a CPA who will also be responsible for any mistakes made..c From scs at worldlinkisp.com Thu Dec 11 13:30:47 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Thu Dec 11 13:30:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning Message-ID: Andy I second the "CPA" suggestions. They aren't cheap, but they know all the latest IRS rules and possibilities (for you), and in the long run will save you money. Be sure to be prepared and have ALL your individual data with you. An alternative, is to ask and get answers to all your questions and then prepare your return. Before visiting a CPA, have all you questions written down, two copies, one for the CPA and one for you to write down their answers. Both Tax Cut and Turbo Tax are easy to use, and as mentioned will run with Linux. Agree with Borries about not having my data on-line, in fact when doing my tax return I have the desktop DISCONNECTED from the net, and in-fact have a separate HD used only for taxes. Not paranoid, just hard nose security minded. Lou From wn5pmr at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 13:35:16 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Thu Dec 11 13:35:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] with a title like this, Message-ID: <49416B74.2050900@gmail.com> I figured it had to be Linux related. NOT. Mike WN5PMR http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/12/sustainable_penguins.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 From gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Dec 11 14:10:35 2008 From: gboswell at cis.sac.accd.edu (gboswell) Date: Thu Dec 11 14:10:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] virtual box Message-ID: <494173BB.7060305@cis.sac.accd.edu> Jeremy Mann wrote: > There is also a trick with VMPlayer that uses an empty disk image file > and setting ide0 to an ISO image. This tricks the VMPlayer into > booting the ISO image, which then lets you install whatever operating > system you want inside the empty disk image. > Jeremy, is there an article or more complete description of how to do this. I have students who really dislike, justifiable, VPC but need a virtual environment {Linux or XP}. I have used Virtual Box on the Mac with great success but would like to be able to offer an alternative free option. Boz -- Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@mail.accd.edu gboswell@cis.sac.accd.edu {class related} San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866 Freedom is not Free, let us not Forget! "We make a living by what we Get. We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." Sir Winston Churchill From jm at allensonthe.net Thu Dec 11 13:49:14 2008 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Thu Dec 11 14:17:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <200812111603.mBBG3ZuZ025019@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <49413881.5030409@sbcglobal.net> <200812111603.mBBG3ZuZ025019@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:03, Borries Demeler wrote: >> >> WMWare. OK, I'll have to learn about that, too. > > Andrew, > > VMWare is a package that allows you to run Windows underneath Linux. > There are two ways to do it: > > get the free vmware player and run an image of a Windows installation > (can be any OS, all of win95, win2k, NT, XP, etc. work under VMWare). > You need to have an image made by someone else. Once you got that, > you can modify the image and add software of your liking. > > The other option is to buy a copy of VMware and make the image yourself. > > At any rate, this gives you a full-featured Windows version to run > underneath of Linux, within a window. And you can install any windows > software inside this image and use it as if you were running it natively. > > I also like VMWare since the image can be simply copied for backup > somewhere else. > > Regards, -Borries [trim] >> > >> > For those of us with more complicated taxes, I have been using Intuit's >> > turbotax under VMWare using my old win2k package. I like being able to >> > import from my Quickenbooks accounting package and have it autofill the >> > relevant fields in the Turbotax program. I also don't like to go out and >> > store my tax info on the web on someone else's server. I have been using >> > this solution since the times of WABI using win 3.1 (anyone remember this?). >> > When VMWare became available, I switched. >> > >> > -b. >> > Along the VMware lines, you might also try VirtualBox. It's an Open Source alternative (since bought by Sun, but still OSS). I use it on a daily basis to run WinXP from within my Linux box. It's really quite nice. -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 14:20:41 2008 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Thu Dec 11 14:20:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0812111220w42ca3568kb2ff6b1903f89ff1@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > > Andy I second the "CPA" suggestions. They aren't cheap, but they know all the latest IRS >rules and possibilities (for you), and in the long run will save you money. Be sure to be >prepared and have ALL your individual data with you. As a CPA myself, though not in public practice, I am in 100% agreement with those who have suggested having one prepare your taxes. If I had an especially complex tax return myself, I would have a CPA who specializes in taxes to do the return. Those in public practice doing taxes, if they are good, know the tax law backwards & forwards. If you make a mistake on your own, you are out-of-luck. Jim Wells, CPA From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 14:23:59 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Thu Dec 11 14:24:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] virtual box In-Reply-To: <494173BB.7060305@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <494173BB.7060305@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <79ec289f0812111223y3a56022y13186950f6aef5eb@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:10 PM, gboswell wrote: > > Jeremy Mann wrote: >> >> There is also a trick with VMPlayer that uses an empty disk image file >> and setting ide0 to an ISO image. This tricks the VMPlayer into >> booting the ISO image, which then lets you install whatever operating >> system you want inside the empty disk image. >> > > Jeremy, is there an article or more complete description of how > to do this. I have students who really dislike, justifiable, VPC but > need a virtual environment {Linux or XP}. I have used Virtual Box > on the Mac with great success but would like to be able to offer > an alternative free option. Sure Boz, check this article out: http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/articles/linux/vmware-player-image-creation.php Basically its as easy as: 1. download the empty premade disk image (IDE for Windows, SCSI for Linux/BSD) 2. download the vmx template file 3. Edit the vmx file and change memsize to a value 4. Edit the vmx file and change ide1:fileName to the full path of your downloaded ISO 5. Start VMPlayer with your vmx file 6. Install and enjoy! -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From mkr777 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 17:15:30 2008 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:15:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0812111220w42ca3568kb2ff6b1903f89ff1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0812111220w42ca3568kb2ff6b1903f89ff1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am not sure how complex his return is. May be he should email me some details offline. I am a CPA in public practice doing tax returns. On 12/11/08, Jim Wells wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com > wrote: > > > > Andy I second the "CPA" suggestions. They aren't cheap, but they know > all the latest IRS >rules and possibilities (for you), and in the long run > will save you money. Be sure to be >prepared and have ALL your individual > data with you. > > As a CPA myself, though not in public practice, I am in 100% agreement > with those who have suggested having one prepare your taxes. If I had > an especially complex tax return myself, I would have a CPA who > specializes in taxes to do the return. Those in public practice doing > taxes, if they are good, know the tax law backwards & forwards. If > you make a mistake on your own, you are out-of-luck. > > Jim Wells, CPA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From wg5o at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 11 20:28:33 2008 From: wg5o at sbcglobal.net (Andrew Pickens) Date: Thu Dec 11 20:28:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: References: <8c9fbbeb0812111220w42ca3568kb2ff6b1903f89ff1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4941CC51.9020507@sbcglobal.net> Thanks for the well-founded concern. The truth is, both my wife and I are pretty disorganized and I have never been able to imagine being able to get everything together to dump on a CPA. Andy MKR wrote: > I am not sure how complex his return is. May be he should email me some > details offline. I am a CPA in public practice doing tax returns. > > On 12/11/08, Jim Wells wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com >> wrote: >> >>> Andy I second the "CPA" suggestions. They aren't cheap, but they know >>> >> all the latest IRS >rules and possibilities (for you), and in the long run >> will save you money. Be sure to be >prepared and have ALL your individual >> data with you. >> >> As a CPA myself, though not in public practice, I am in 100% agreement >> with those who have suggested having one prepare your taxes. If I had >> an especially complex tax return myself, I would have a CPA who >> specializes in taxes to do the return. Those in public practice doing >> taxes, if they are good, know the tax law backwards & forwards. If >> you make a mistake on your own, you are out-of-luck. >> >> Jim Wells, CPA >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 21:59:50 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Dec 11 21:59:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4941E1B6.6080305@gmail.com> I don't have an article, but my Canon PowerShot 520 works extremely well natively with Ubuntu. I even demonstrated that at a LOCC show. Cheers; Ed =============== Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Does anyone know of a resource (web site, article, etc.) that might > have an up-to-date list of digital cameras that are known to work well > (or poorly) with Linux? And if any of you have personal experiences > you'd wish to relay, I'd like to hear those as well. > > I want to get my wife a digital camera for Christmas, but I know she > will get frustrated with it if it isn't easy to use right out of the box. > > Al Lesmerises > From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Thu Dec 11 22:21:27 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Thu Dec 11 22:21:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Day of Reckoning In-Reply-To: <4941CC51.9020507@sbcglobal.net> References: <8c9fbbeb0812111220w42ca3568kb2ff6b1903f89ff1@mail.gmail.com> <4941CC51.9020507@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4941E6C7.8050504@satx.rr.com> Whether you have a CPA prepare the taxes, or you do them yourselves, either way you need to be able to pull together all of the pertinent documentation. The IRS won't give you a pass because you're disorganized. Al Lesmerises Andrew Pickens wrote: > Thanks for the well-founded concern. The truth is, both my wife and I > are pretty disorganized and I have never been able to imagine being > able to get everything together to dump on a CPA. > > Andy > > MKR wrote: >> I am not sure how complex his return is. May be he should email me some >> details offline. I am a CPA in public practice doing tax returns. >> >> On 12/11/08, Jim Wells wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM, scs@worldlinkisp.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Andy I second the "CPA" suggestions. They aren't cheap, but they know >>>> >>> all the latest IRS >rules and possibilities (for you), and in the >>> long run >>> will save you money. Be sure to be >prepared and have ALL your >>> individual >>> data with you. >>> >>> As a CPA myself, though not in public practice, I am in 100% agreement >>> with those who have suggested having one prepare your taxes. If I had >>> an especially complex tax return myself, I would have a CPA who >>> specializes in taxes to do the return. Those in public practice doing >>> taxes, if they are good, know the tax law backwards & forwards. If >>> you make a mistake on your own, you are out-of-luck. >>> >>> Jim Wells, CPA >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> From alesmerises at satx.rr.com Thu Dec 11 22:41:49 2008 From: alesmerises at satx.rr.com (Alan Lesmerises) Date: Thu Dec 11 22:41:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <49414A3A.2040107@shub-internet.org> References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> <51a1k4dopobjhf7hrkvpv8qcqhhfuiksap@4ax.com> <49414A3A.2040107@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <4941EB8D.1030008@satx.rr.com> Thanks for reminding me to check what kind of battery they use -- I HATE having devices (like electronics) with peculiar components that will wear out or otherwise need replacement every few years, and you're forced to back to the factory or a specialty supplier to get a new one. And then, after a couple of years, you can't get the replacement part any more and have to replace the entire device just because you can't get a new battery or something! I also know what you mean about good/bad photographers with bad/good cameras. I've been into photography for more than 30 years and have some friends that have been doing it professionally for almost as long. I've had some pretty good equipment in that time, but it's definitely useless unless you know how to use it. Now, it's a question of what to get my wife that will take good pictures, won't be too complicated to use, and won't sour her on actually using the technology before she has a chance to become at least mildly proficient at it. Al Lesmerises Brad Knowles wrote: > MKR wrote: > >> Battery is an issue. All the three Canon cameras I own, use regular AA >> batteries which are not expensive and easily available anywhere. The >> thinner >> and smaller cameras use lithium batteries and replacement can be >> tough and >> expensive. > > That's one of the reasons why I stopped using my old Canon SD550, and > bought a Pentax Optio -- I had forgotten to bring my charger with me, > so the old camera was dead, and I needed to have something to use. > The only one I could quickly find at the time was the Pentax, so I > bought it. > > However, more recent Canon PowerShot SD-series cameras have gotten > much better with battery life, and I've been starting to think about > switching back again. > >> Also when buying the SDHC cards, I would go with the fastest (class >> 6) which >> can be purchased on-line at competitive prices. > > Fast SDHC cards are absolutely the way to go. I would never even > think about anything else. > > In fact, I didn't think about anything else, which is why I didn't > even think to bring up this issue. > >> Buy it early so that by >> Christmas, you will be familiar with all the controls to take some good >> shots. > > Agreed. Just remember that a good photographer with a crappy camera > can take much better pictures than a crappy photographer with a good > camera. And practice is the single biggest contributor to being a good > photographer. > > You really need to know what your camera can and can't do, and the > best way to learn that is to just try to do stuff and see what works > and what doesn't. Then try to understand why it does or doesn't work, > and what can be done to compensate. > From brad at shub-internet.org Thu Dec 11 23:17:21 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu Dec 11 23:17:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <4941EB8D.1030008@satx.rr.com> References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> <51a1k4dopobjhf7hrkvpv8qcqhhfuiksap@4ax.com> <49414A3A.2040107@shub-internet.org> <4941EB8D.1030008@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4941F3E1.9050005@shub-internet.org> on 12/11/08 10:41 PM, Alan Lesmerises said: > Thanks for reminding me to check what kind of battery they use -- I HATE > having devices (like electronics) with peculiar components that will > wear out or otherwise need replacement every few years, and you're > forced to back to the factory or a specialty supplier to get a new one. > And then, after a couple of years, you can't get the replacement part > any more and have to replace the entire device just because you can't > get a new battery or something! Canon has actually been pretty good in this regard. In their compact line of cameras, they've been using the exact same battery for many years. This is one of the things that sold my co-worker on upgrading his camera to the latest model from Canon, because he'd be able to re-use all his old batteries and chargers. But the simple fact of using a non-standard battery means that you can't walk into most any store on the planet and have a reasonable expectation that you can buy batteries on the spot. And even if you can buy replacement batteries, they won't be fully charged out of the package. I like rechargeables and I use them everywhere I can, but I also like the freedom of being able to buy AA batteries from just about anywhere and pop them in. > Now, it's a question of what to > get my wife that will take good pictures, won't be too complicated to > use, and won't sour her on actually using the technology before she has > a chance to become at least mildly proficient at it. If you're looking for something that is simple to use, traditionally the best cameras in that space are from Kodak. They've really focused over the years on making cameras dead-simple to use, and still produce at least decent pictures. Some of their cameras are crap, some are at least decent, and the dpreview.com website should help you be able to tell which is which. So, you need to ask yourself how much you need to get something simple enough for your wife (and maybe aim for a good Kodak), or if you can instead go for a better overall camera that might be from another company (like Nikon or Canon). I would definitely start with the buyers guides that dpreview.com has. -- Brad Knowles LinkedIn Profile: From mkr777 at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 23:52:09 2008 From: mkr777 at gmail.com (MKR) Date: Thu Dec 11 23:52:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Digital Cameras In-Reply-To: <4941EB8D.1030008@satx.rr.com> References: <4940A49F.2000209@satx.rr.com> <51a1k4dopobjhf7hrkvpv8qcqhhfuiksap@4ax.com> <49414A3A.2040107@shub-internet.org> <4941EB8D.1030008@satx.rr.com> Message-ID: All the digital cameras have an automatic setting and that usually takes care of most situations. Your wife will be quite comfortable with any one of the cameras since even experienced users most times tend to use the automatic setting. mkr On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Alan Lesmerises wrote: > Thanks for reminding me to check what kind of battery they use -- I HATE > having devices (like electronics) with peculiar components that will wear > out or otherwise need replacement every few years, and you're forced to back > to the factory or a specialty supplier to get a new one. And then, after a > couple of years, you can't get the replacement part any more and have to > replace the entire device just because you can't get a new battery or > something! > > I also know what you mean about good/bad photographers with bad/good > cameras. I've been into photography for more than 30 years and have some > friends that have been doing it professionally for almost as long. I've had > some pretty good equipment in that time, but it's definitely useless unless > you know how to use it. Now, it's a question of what to get my wife that > will take good pictures, won't be too complicated to use, and won't sour her > on actually using the technology before she has a chance to become at least > mildly proficient at it. > > Al Lesmerises > > > Brad Knowles wrote: > >> MKR wrote: >> >> Battery is an issue. All the three Canon cameras I own, use regular AA >>> batteries which are not expensive and easily available anywhere. The >>> thinner >>> and smaller cameras use lithium batteries and replacement can be tough >>> and >>> expensive. >>> >> >> That's one of the reasons why I stopped using my old Canon SD550, and >> bought a Pentax Optio -- I had forgotten to bring my charger with me, so the >> old camera was dead, and I needed to have something to use. The only one I >> could quickly find at the time was the Pentax, so I bought it. >> >> However, more recent Canon PowerShot SD-series cameras have gotten much >> better with battery life, and I've been starting to think about switching >> back again. >> >> Also when buying the SDHC cards, I would go with the fastest (class 6) >>> which >>> can be purchased on-line at competitive prices. >>> >> >> Fast SDHC cards are absolutely the way to go. I would never even think >> about anything else. >> >> In fact, I didn't think about anything else, which is why I didn't even >> think to bring up this issue. >> >> Buy it early so that by >>> Christmas, you will be familiar with all the controls to take some good >>> shots. >>> >> >> Agreed. Just remember that a good photographer with a crappy camera can >> take much better pictures than a crappy photographer with a good camera. And >> practice is the single biggest contributor to being a good photographer. >> >> You really need to know what your camera can and can't do, and the best >> way to learn that is to just try to do stuff and see what works and what >> doesn't. Then try to understand why it does or doesn't work, and what can >> be done to compensate. >> >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jtiner at satx.rr.com Sat Dec 13 20:44:39 2008 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Sat Dec 13 20:44:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Video question Message-ID: <1229222679.11992.12.camel@james-desktop> Hey guys, I'm usually just lurking on the list but I have a question that maybe one of you can answer. I have all the seasons of Stargate SG-1 and they were encoded for me. I have the DVDs running around somewhere but these are already done so I'll use them as my backups. They look great and are about the same quality I use for TV shows. My problem is that I use Fuppes as my uPNP server and play them on my PS3. unfortunately, I don't want to spend all the time to rip and encode the DVD's myself and would like to make these work. I have tried to re-encode them but every attempt I have made has doubled the size of the files and they still don't play on the PS3. using file on them reports them as the following: Stargate-SG-1-1x01.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 360, 23.98 fps, video: DivX 3 Low-Motion, audio: Dolby AC3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) for tv shows, I usually use mp3 audio but these were done for me so ac3 is fine. also, i usually use xvid4 as the codec and that seems to work on the PS3 fine. I have tried to re-encode them as xvid4 and other mpeg4 variants but none seem to work on the PS3. I have also tried to change the fourcc to something different since dv3 is supposed to be MPEG4 and I thought that if i gave it something to hint it towards the right codec it might work. Let me know if you guys can think of anything to point me in the right direction. From j at jvpappas.net Sun Dec 14 21:12:33 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:12:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Moving Celebration Cleansing (Sale)... Message-ID: <4c0ec4450812141912w50f0f01dx54fec68b37c0d199@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I am looking to consolidate my infrastructure to 1 server and purge some other left over parts. As I need to raise some money for the new system (Dual Socket, Quad Core 50W), so I will not be giving this stuff away, but will go OBO: 1: WhiteBox Dual 850Mhz PIII, 1GB, 3Ware PATA RAID, SCSI, 3x 160GB PATA HDD in HotSwap trays, DVDRW, GigE 2. Dell GX260 1.8Ghz P4, 1GB, ATI Rad 9200, DVDRW, GigE, (Can sub or add if desired) 3. Compaq DeskPro, 1Ghz P3, 512MB, GigE, 2x20GB HDD, (Can sub or add if desired) 4. Compaq Evo D510 CMT, 2Ghz P4, 1.25G, GigE, DVDRW, (Can sub or add if desired) 5. WhiteBox 1.8G Athlon64, 2GB RAM, Asus An8-E Mobo #4 & #5: Will take a little work, as it includes my HTPC and current server, so as long as I can coordinate migration/transfer I can let them go. Parts: Number of PATA HDDs from 20G to 500G NICs both 100 and 1000 Lots of other addin cards and accessories. Lots of other stuff. Let me know what you need, I will see what I have. Thanks! John From michael at michaelrice.org Sun Dec 14 21:33:08 2008 From: michael at michaelrice.org (michael rice) Date: Sun Dec 14 21:33:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jan. Presentation Message-ID: <4945CFF4.10509@michaelrice.org> Hi, I am the guy who was at the November meeting who volunteered to do a presentation on Asterisk for the January meeting. I just wanted to let who ever know I was still planning on doing the presentation (sorry I missed the December meeting) and that I am looking forward to the opportunity. I will see you all there Jan 8th I hope you will all be able to make it. Michael Rice From parspe at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 08:00:42 2008 From: parspe at hotmail.com (Patrick P) Date: Mon Dec 15 08:00:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] RadioShack Offers $99 Acer Netbook Message-ID: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20081212/bs_nf/63538;_ylt=AmkgKxoT_wYgA9OakIJwxOYjtBAF _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us Mon Dec 15 08:04:25 2008 From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst) Date: Mon Dec 15 08:05:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] RadioShack Offers $99 Acer Netbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49460FA4.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> from the article "AT&T is subsidizing the cost of the device, but customers have to sign up for a two-year AT&T DataConnect mobile-broadband service agreement. Plans start at $60 a month." >>> Patrick P 12/15/2008 08:00 >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20081212/bs_nf/63538;_ylt=AmkgKxoT_wYgA9OakIJwxOYjtBAF _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008-- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From matthewalan77 at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 11:44:53 2008 From: matthewalan77 at gmail.com (Matt Graham) Date: Mon Dec 15 11:44:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] RadioShack Offers $99 Acer Netbook In-Reply-To: <49460FA4.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> References: <49460FA4.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> Message-ID: Having to sign a contract is kind of a deal breaker in my book. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Jim Parkhurst wrote: > from the article "AT&T is subsidizing the cost of the device, but customers > have to sign up for a two-year AT&T DataConnect mobile-broadband service > agreement. Plans start at $60 a month." > > >>> Patrick P 12/15/2008 08:00 >>> > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20081212/bs_nf/63538;_ylt=AmkgKxoT_wYgA9OakIJwxOYjtBAF > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From satlug at net153.net Mon Dec 15 13:04:43 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Mon Dec 15 13:04:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] RadioShack Offers $99 Acer Netbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4946AA4B.6000507@net153.net> Bla, looks like they are only selling the windows version http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/08/contract-laden-3g-acer-aspire-one-hitting-us-at-just-99/ Sam Patrick P wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20081212/bs_nf/63538;_ylt=AmkgKxoT_wYgA9OakIJwxOYjtBAF > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us Mon Dec 15 13:08:57 2008 From: JPARKHUR at dot.state.tx.us (Jim Parkhurst) Date: Mon Dec 15 13:09:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] RadioShack Offers $99 Acer Netbook In-Reply-To: <4946AA4B.6000507@net153.net> References: <4946AA4B.6000507@net153.net> Message-ID: <494656F8.1761.009C.3@dot.state.tx.us> Yup. WinVistaHome according to (http://www.radioshack.com/uc/index.jsp?page=researchLibraryArticle&articleUrl=../graphics/uc/rsk/USContent/HTML/pages/acernetbk.html&noBc=true) >>> Samuel Leon 12/15/2008 13:04 >>> Bla, looks like they are only selling the windows version http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/08/contract-laden-3g-acer-aspire-one-hitting-us-at-just-99/ Sam Patrick P wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20081212/bs_nf/63538;_ylt=AmkgKxoT_wYgA9OakIJwxOYjtBAF > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008-- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 13:40:17 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Dec 15 13:40:18 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Acer notebook Message-ID: <7e4994a70812151140i7d46407al8f081415c7128f98@mail.gmail.com> is really costing a lot more than $99.00....with the contract and 2 year committment... I have ATT DSL and my WIFI is free with my account...c From wn5pmr at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 15:52:32 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Mon Dec 15 15:52:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Acer notebook In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70812151140i7d46407al8f081415c7128f98@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70812151140i7d46407al8f081415c7128f98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4946D1A0.9000108@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > is really costing a lot more than $99.00....with the contract and 2 year > committment... > > I have ATT DSL and my WIFI is free with my account...c > Or you can do what I just did. . . . . ordered one off the internet. It cost a bit more but thats it. None of the $60.00 a month to AT&T. Seasons greetings to all of you in San Antonio and else where on the list. Its a balmy 13 degrees here in the Pacific Northwest this afternoon. Mike WN5PMR From j at jvpappas.net Mon Dec 15 17:35:21 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Dec 15 17:35:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... Message-ID: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I am prepping for the RHCE on Friday in Austin, and was wondering if anyone on the list is looking at taking the Test here soon as well and wondering if anyone would like to team up to set up scenarios (This takes 2 people since one person must break the system in a way that the other cannot know). Thanks! John From satlug at net153.net Mon Dec 15 19:50:52 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Mon Dec 15 19:50:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4947097C.2010904@net153.net> John Pappas wrote: > Hey All, > > I am prepping for the RHCE on Friday in Austin, and was wondering if anyone > on the list is looking at taking the Test here soon as well and wondering if > anyone would like to team up to set up scenarios (This takes 2 people since > one person must break the system in a way that the other cannot know). > > Thanks! > John How much is the test? I wouldn't mind getting one either. Sam From trunty at linuxismybff.com Mon Dec 15 20:17:46 2008 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Mon Dec 15 20:17:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4947097C.2010904@net153.net> Message-ID: Having mailing list issues (on my end and my fault) so I'm sending this out again. I am actually taking the test this Thursday. And Sam, fortunately I am unsure of the cost for the test as my training and test are free. Rackspace is awesome! On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Travis Runty wrote: > Free test and training for me... :) Thank god for Rackspace! > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Samuel Leon wrote: > >> John Pappas wrote: >> >>> Hey All, >>> >>> I am prepping for the RHCE on Friday in Austin, and was wondering if >>> anyone >>> on the list is looking at taking the Test here soon as well and wondering >>> if >>> anyone would like to team up to set up scenarios (This takes 2 people >>> since >>> one person must break the system in a way that the other cannot know). >>> >>> Thanks! >>> John >>> >> >> >> How much is the test? I wouldn't mind getting one either. >> >> Sam >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > > > -- > Travis Runty > 210.391.3949 > www.linuxismybff.com > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From gregswift at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 21:11:51 2008 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Mon Dec 15 21:11:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <4947097C.2010904@net153.net> References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4947097C.2010904@net153.net> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70812151911g7c5b5862w53f0f0779e1dd068@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 19:50, Samuel Leon wrote: > John Pappas wrote: > >> Hey All, >> >> I am prepping for the RHCE on Friday in Austin, and was wondering if >> anyone >> on the list is looking at taking the Test here soon as well and wondering >> if >> anyone would like to team up to set up scenarios (This takes 2 people >> since >> one person must break the system in a way that the other cannot know). >> >> Thanks! >> John >> > > > How much is the test? I wouldn't mind getting one either. > > the test itself is $799 (hmm.. i think price went up $49) more info here: https://www.redhat.com/courses/rh302_rhce_exam/ and good luck Travis. From j at jvpappas.net Mon Dec 15 22:27:18 2008 From: j at jvpappas.net (John Pappas) Date: Mon Dec 15 22:27:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4947097C.2010904@net153.net> Message-ID: <4c0ec4450812152027s44d59f65g6450b64eda0e77b@mail.gmail.com> Rackspace proctors it as well at their location? That is cool. Good luck! On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 20:17, Travis Runty wrote: > Having mailing list issues (on my end and my fault) so I'm sending this out > again. > > I am actually taking the test this Thursday. And Sam, fortunately I am > unsure of the cost for the test as my training and test are free. > Rackspace > is awesome! > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Travis Runty >wrote: > > > Free test and training for me... :) Thank god for Rackspace! > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Samuel Leon wrote: > > > >> John Pappas wrote: > >> > >>> Hey All, > >>> > >>> I am prepping for the RHCE on Friday in Austin, and was wondering if > >>> anyone > >>> on the list is looking at taking the Test here soon as well and > wondering > >>> if > >>> anyone would like to team up to set up scenarios (This takes 2 people > >>> since > >>> one person must break the system in a way that the other cannot know). > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> John > >>> > >> > >> > >> How much is the test? I wouldn't mind getting one either. > >> > >> Sam > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Travis Runty > > 210.391.3949 > > www.linuxismybff.com > > > > > > -- > Travis Runty > 210.391.3949 > www.linuxismybff.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 08:44:57 2008 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Tue Dec 16 08:44:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jan. Presentation In-Reply-To: <4945CFF4.10509@michaelrice.org> References: <4945CFF4.10509@michaelrice.org> Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0812160644v4f93f543l6cfd9c7154f906d3@mail.gmail.com> Michael, We appreciate you stepping up to do a presentation. It's always great to have someone new do a presentation on a new topic. Contact me direct and let me know what you are going to need to give your presentation. I'll make sure to coordinate with Steve & Boz so we have it. Jim Wells, President San Antonio Linux Users Group On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:33 PM, michael rice wrote: > Hi, > I am the guy who was at the November meeting who volunteered to do a > presentation on Asterisk for the January meeting. I just wanted to let who > ever know I was still planning on doing the presentation (sorry I missed the > December meeting) and that I am looking forward to the opportunity. > > I will see you all there Jan 8th I hope you will all be able to make it. > > > Michael Rice > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hharadon at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 09:54:13 2008 From: hharadon at gmail.com (Howard Haradon) Date: Tue Dec 16 09:54:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] New SATLUG Officers ? Message-ID: Hi, How about a posting about the new officers and directors for 2009? There were likely many who could not attend. Also, they ought to be on the web page instead of the 2006 ones. Happy holidays, Howard -- Howard Haradon San Antonio, TX USA From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 10:23:06 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:23:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] New SATLUG Officers ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4947D5EA.4040906@gmail.com> Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, How about a posting about the new officers > and directors for 2009? There were likely many > who could not attend. Also, they ought to be on the > web page instead of the 2006 ones. There were no changes, but I updated the web page. -- Bruce From edeleonjr at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 10:36:41 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (edeleonjr@gmail.com) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:36:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] New SATLUG Officers ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was not able to attend due to an extended contract out of town...i will not be back full time in sa until march and if there is a position that needs to be filled I would like to volunteer On 12/16/08, Howard Haradon wrote: > Hi, How about a posting about the new officers > and directors for 2009? There were likely many > who could not attend. Also, they ought to be on the > web page instead of the 2006 ones. > > Happy holidays, Howard > -- > Howard Haradon > San Antonio, TX USA > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Dec 16 10:39:43 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:39:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] All the more reason to use Linux Message-ID: >Strange that I find this link from the BBC news website. Nothing on my >Fox or CNN RSS feeds. Microsoft doesn't own Fox or CNN does it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rupert Murdock owns Fox, and although they collaborate occasionally, he's no big fan of uSoft. BBC world services broadcast this this morning, and they usually solicit listener comments on all their stores. From misteratomic at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 10:54:10 2008 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:54:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jan. Presentation: ASTERISK - Parking? Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60812160854m76e9b299wd0e9bb9f0a06ae83@mail.gmail.com> OH Boy, I'm really wanting to attend this presentation. I've been driving myself nuts trying to unlock one of my three ATA's to play with Asterisk. I'm a long time VOIP user and have collected several of these things as I service hop. I unlocked my SPA2201-r (Linksys) from sun rocket but messed up the ip address while attempting a firmware upgrade. The subsequent reset has locked me out of my ATA once again. I'm trying to get at least one of these things opened up to use with Asterisk. My main question is, is this the lest expensive method to connect my pots phones to an asterisk PBX? I planned to use termination services to connect to local lines and not hook up the Asterisk PBX to ATT or other land line directly. The upcoming skype/asterisk solution also sounds cool but I understand it to be some what of a patch of a skype softphone connected to asterisk with additional software. It's 10 bucks for one channel and no additional channels available unless you get an expensive business solution. So much to learn! Are there are other affordable hardware solutions beyond a reprogrammed (provisioned?) ATA? So many questions!!! How do I find parking at SAC? $$$?? -- Marc From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Tue Dec 16 11:06:18 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Tue Dec 16 11:06:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jan. Presentation: ASTERISK - Parking? In-Reply-To: <4bf1dcc60812160854m76e9b299wd0e9bb9f0a06ae83@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60812160854m76e9b299wd0e9bb9f0a06ae83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4947E00A.1070400@cis.sac.accd.edu> Marc Ripley wrote: > OH Boy, I'm really wanting to attend this presentation. > > I've been driving myself nuts trying to unlock one of my three ATA's > to play with Asterisk. > I'm a long time VOIP user and have collected several of these things > as I service hop. > > I unlocked my SPA2201-r (Linksys) from sun rocket but messed up the ip > address while attempting a firmware upgrade. The subsequent reset has > locked me out of my ATA once again. > > I'm trying to get at least one of these things opened up to use with > Asterisk. My main question is, is this the lest expensive method to > connect my pots phones to an asterisk PBX? I planned to use > termination services to connect to local lines and not hook up the > Asterisk PBX to ATT or other land line directly. > > The upcoming skype/asterisk solution also sounds cool but I understand > it to be some what of a patch of a skype softphone connected to > asterisk with additional software. It's 10 bucks for one channel and > no additional channels available unless you get an expensive business > solution. > > So much to learn! > > Are there are other affordable hardware solutions beyond a > reprogrammed (provisioned?) ATA? > > So many questions!!! > > How do I find parking at SAC? $$$?? > Park anywhere you wish. Put a note on your dash that you are attending a meeting in NTC 025. Steve From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 13:11:17 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (twistedpickles) Date: Tue Dec 16 13:13:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] All the more reason to use Linux In-Reply-To: <4947CE7C.60006@gmail.com> References: <4947CE7C.60006@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Michael wrote: > Strange that I find this link from the BBC news website. Nothing on my > Fox or CNN RSS feeds. Microsoft doesn't own Fox or CNN does it? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7784908.stm > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > Linux doesn't have any flaws? WOW! ;-) From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 13:42:38 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Dec 16 13:42:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] All the more reason to use Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4947CE7C.60006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494804AE.9010403@gmail.com> twistedpickles wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Michael wrote: > > >> Strange that I find this link from the BBC news website. Nothing on my >> Fox or CNN RSS feeds. Microsoft doesn't own Fox or CNN does it? >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7784908.st > Linux doesn't have any flaws? WOW! ;-) > We all know that Linux has /some/ flaws, but I've been able to navigate several sites with impunity under Ubuntu/Firefox that would give Windoze/Idiot Exploder at least severe heartburn if not terminal cancer. There are still some Java exploits out there (BlackBox, VerifierBug) that can hit a Linux machine, but a regularly updated Linux version of AVG_Free anti-virus readily cures those for me. Cheers; Ed From misteratomic at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 13:43:59 2008 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Tue Dec 16 13:44:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jan. Presentation: ASTERISK - Parking? Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60812161143h2bb67e1al3b931dc33bedd0fe@mail.gmail.com> > Park anywhere you wish. Put a note on your dash that you are attending > a meeting in NTC 025. > > Steve Excellent. I'll check the website for the time date etc. -- Marc From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 16 13:44:17 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Dec 16 13:44:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] All the more reason to use Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4947CE7C.60006@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:17 -0600, twistedpickles wrote: >Linux doesn't have any flaws? WOW! ;-) .-----------------. | DO NOT FEED || | || | THE TROLL || \================\| || || ___________||___________ From michael at michaelrice.org Tue Dec 16 13:59:09 2008 From: michael at michaelrice.org (michael) Date: Tue Dec 16 13:59:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jan. Presentation In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0812160644v4f93f543l6cfd9c7154f906d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4945CFF4.10509@michaelrice.org> <8c9fbbeb0812160644v4f93f543l6cfd9c7154f906d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4948088D.2060007@grandecom.net> I should only need a projector, a monitor, and a power strip. I will be bringing my pbx from home (a small compaq desktop), and I will also be bringing a few phones with me (aastra 55i, aastra 9133, and a snom 320), and if I can I will also bring one of our linksys ata devices. If there is a switch (small one 5 or 8 ports is plenty) that would be good so that we can plug the phones in with out running cat 5 cords from all over the room. The phones support DHCP so will there be a DHCP server that will give them an addy? If not I would like to know ahead of time what network settings I need to use so the devices will be ready to use. Im really looking forward to this. I really love Asterisk. We have been using it at our office for almost 2 years. I gave a speech to an Insurance group called the AAMGA last year but it was more of an overview on voip than anything real specific on Asterisk (plus they were mostly suits so no real technical stuff). Jim Wells wrote: > Michael, > > We appreciate you stepping up to do a presentation. It's always great to > have someone new do a presentation on a new topic. Contact me direct and > let me know what you are going to need to give your presentation. I'll make > sure to coordinate with Steve & Boz so we have it. > > Jim Wells, President > San Antonio Linux Users Group > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:33 PM, michael rice wrote: > > >> Hi, >> I am the guy who was at the November meeting who volunteered to do a >> presentation on Asterisk for the January meeting. I just wanted to let who >> ever know I was still planning on doing the presentation (sorry I missed the >> December meeting) and that I am looking forward to the opportunity. >> >> I will see you all there Jan 8th I hope you will all be able to make it. >> >> >> Michael Rice >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> From twistedpickles at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 14:01:39 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (Twistedpickles) Date: Tue Dec 16 14:01:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] All the more reason to use Linux Message-ID: <49480926.140bd00a.153f.43cf@mx.google.com> All in fun. :p Have a great day where ever your at. I'm stuck in Dallas. Luckily not at the airport...hurry twistedpickles // Message sent from mobile handset -----Original Message----- From: Don Wright Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:44 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] All the more reason to use Linux On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:17 -0600, twistedpickles wrote: >Linux doesn't have any flaws? WOW! ;-) .-----------------. | DO NOT FEED || | || | THE TROLL || \================\| || || ___________||___________ -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From michael at michaelrice.org Tue Dec 16 14:08:27 2008 From: michael at michaelrice.org (michael rice) Date: Tue Dec 16 14:08:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] All the more reason to use Linux In-Reply-To: <4947CE7C.60006@gmail.com> References: <4947CE7C.60006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49480ABB.7030706@michaelrice.org> They may have reported it last week when the bulletin was announced Michael wrote: > Strange that I find this link from the BBC news website. Nothing on my > Fox or CNN RSS feeds. Microsoft doesn't own Fox or CNN does it? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7784908.stm > > > From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Dec 16 14:09:00 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Dec 16 14:09:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] All the more reason to use Linux In-Reply-To: <494804AE.9010403@gmail.com> References: <4947CE7C.60006@gmail.com> <494804AE.9010403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49480ADC.6000608@gmail.com> ed wrote: > We all know that Linux has /some/ flaws, Agreed. > but I've been able to navigate > several sites with impunity under Ubuntu/Firefox that would give > Windoze/Idiot Exploder at least severe heartburn if not terminal cancer. > There are still some Java exploits out there (BlackBox, VerifierBug) > that can hit a Linux machine, Like what? You refer to BlackBox VerifierBug, but from what I can see they're Windows only http://www.ca.com/us/securityadvisor/virusinfo/virus.aspx?id=36725 http://www.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453078186 > but a regularly updated Linux version of > AVG_Free anti-virus readily cures those for me. Why bother? If you don't run as root and don't do something else stupid like put '.' in your PATH, no program can get to your executables to compromise your system. I've never run an anti-virus on Linux and have never had a problem. I've never even heard of a conceptual virus that would run on Linux from a browser. Oh, yes. I forgot. There is the Amish virus. http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/4199/virus.html -- Bruce From satlug at net153.net Tue Dec 16 17:59:34 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue Dec 16 17:59:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jan. Presentation: ASTERISK - Parking? In-Reply-To: <4bf1dcc60812160854m76e9b299wd0e9bb9f0a06ae83@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60812160854m76e9b299wd0e9bb9f0a06ae83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494840E6.2020309@net153.net> Marc Ripley wrote: > > Are there are other affordable hardware solutions beyond a > reprogrammed (provisioned?) ATA? > > So many questions!!! > > How do I find parking at SAC? $$$?? The Grandstream HandyTone 286 costs less than $30 and works fine with asterisk. http://www.grandstream.com/ata.html All the trouble I had initially setting it up was because of firewalls and sometimes the port settings that were set in the gui did not match up with what was being sent. So if you have any trouble make sure the right ports are forwarded and get a packet sniffer going and make sure the packets are being sent to the ports that the web gui says. Once I figured that out I have not had any problems. Sam From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Dec 16 18:20:54 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue Dec 16 18:20:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... Message-ID: >How much is the test? I wouldn't mind getting one either. Sam -------------------------------------------------------------- This cost, including travel, is deductable from your taxes, as a professional business expense (judging by your previous posts). Lou From satlug at net153.net Tue Dec 16 20:22:14 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Tue Dec 16 20:22:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49486256.1000508@net153.net> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> How much is the test? I wouldn't mind getting one either. Sam > -------------------------------------------------------------- > This cost, including travel, is deductable from your taxes, as a professional > business expense (judging by your previous posts). > > Lou > > Thanks Sam From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Dec 17 00:00:34 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Dec 17 00:00:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Acer notebook In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70812151140i7d46407al8f081415c7128f98@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70812151140i7d46407al8f081415c7128f98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812170000.34480.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 15 December 2008 01:40:17 pm Cheryl Holmes wrote: > is really costing a lot more than $99.00....with the contract and 2 year > committment... Forget the financial cost.. there's also the added taxation on your immortal soul of having to use an M$ product.. PLus that feeling of constantly needing to take a shower... yuk! ;) Tweeks From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Dec 17 00:03:57 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Dec 17 00:04:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <4c0ec4450812152027s44d59f65g6450b64eda0e77b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450812152027s44d59f65g6450b64eda0e77b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812170003.57574.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 15 December 2008 10:27:18 pm John Pappas wrote: > Rackspace proctors it as well at their location? That is cool. Good luck! No.. we bring the RHCX (proctor) in from RH on exam week. Tweeks From christopher.l.lovejoy at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 00:04:47 2008 From: christopher.l.lovejoy at gmail.com (Christopher Lovejoy) Date: Wed Dec 17 00:04:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Astricks Message-ID: I'm sorry that I don't thave the right spelling. I'm in Baghdad, and I'm looking for alternatives to using the MWR phones to call back to the states. I'd like to learn more of the Astericks(sp?). Can anyone who attends the meeting send me the class info? Thanks -- -Rw From satlug at net153.net Wed Dec 17 00:24:21 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Wed Dec 17 00:24:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Astricks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49489B15.2020106@net153.net> Christopher Lovejoy wrote: > I'm sorry that I don't thave the right spelling. I'm in Baghdad, and I'm > looking for alternatives to using the MWR phones to call back to the > states. I'd like to learn more of the Astericks(sp?). Can anyone who > attends the meeting send me the class info? > > Thanks > I can probably record the audio and post it to the main site. There are some good books out there on asterisk also. Sam From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Dec 17 00:42:55 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Wed Dec 17 00:43:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jan. Presentation In-Reply-To: <4948088D.2060007@grandecom.net> References: <4945CFF4.10509@michaelrice.org> <8c9fbbeb0812160644v4f93f543l6cfd9c7154f906d3@mail.gmail.com> <4948088D.2060007@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <49489F6F.5030906@cis.sac.accd.edu> michael wrote: > I should only need a projector, a monitor, and a power strip. Got it. > If there is a switch (small one 5 or 8 ports is plenty) that would > be good so that we can plug the phones in with out running cat 5 cords > from all over the room. Got it. What is wrong with cat 5 running all over the room? Makes me feel at home (ha ha). > will there be a DHCP server that will give them an addy? Yes. Someone needs to remind me the day before...I will forget, so a reminder is necessary. Steve From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 03:55:22 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Dec 17 03:55:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <200812170003.57574.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450812152027s44d59f65g6450b64eda0e77b@mail.gmail.com> <200812170003.57574.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <4948CC8A.2060309@gmail.com> Mind a dumb newbie question: What is RCHE? Cheers; Ed ========= Tweeks wrote: > On Monday 15 December 2008 10:27:18 pm John Pappas wrote: > >> Rackspace proctors it as well at their location? That is cool. Good luck! >> > > No.. we bring the RHCX (proctor) in from RH on exam week. > > Tweeks > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed Dec 17 04:50:55 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Dec 17 04:50:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <4948CC8A.2060309@gmail.com> References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450812152027s44d59f65g6450b64eda0e77b@mail.gmail.com> <200812170003.57574.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4948CC8A.2060309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4948D98F.9080500@suddenlink.net> ed wrote: > Mind a dumb newbie question: What is RCHE? > > Cheers; > Ed RHCE is RedHat Certified Engineer From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 09:46:34 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Wed Dec 17 09:46:43 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Acer notebook In-Reply-To: <200812170000.34480.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <7e4994a70812151140i7d46407al8f081415c7128f98@mail.gmail.com> <200812170000.34480.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <200812170946.35063.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 00:00:34 Tweeks wrote: > Forget the financial cost.. there's also the added taxation on your immortal > soul of having to use an M$ product.. PLus that feeling of constantly needing > to take a shower... yuk! ;) > > Tweeks This reminds me. Does anyone know of a company selling brand new laptops, with latest components, but without a pre-installed OS? Something that comes with no MS software? From satlug at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 17 12:32:11 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Wed Dec 17 12:32:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <4948D98F.9080500@suddenlink.net> References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4c0ec4450812152027s44d59f65g6450b64eda0e77b@mail.gmail.com> <200812170003.57574.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4948CC8A.2060309@gmail.com> <4948D98F.9080500@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:50:55 -0600, Dennis Myhand wrote: >ed wrote: >> Mind a dumb newbie question: What is RCHE? > >RHCE is RedHat Certified Engineer Except in Texas, where using the title "Engineer" is limited to licensees of the Texas Board of Professional Engineers under terms of the Texas Engineering Practice Act. (At least according to the Board.) The Computer Engineer exam[1] has recently changed. There's a good chance many RHCE's would pass it. --Don [1] National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying Principles and Practice of Engineering Examination Electrical and Computer?COMPUTER Exam Specifications EFFECTIVE Beginning with the April 2009 Examinations http://www.ncees.org/exams/professional/Electrical_Computer%20Specifications.pdf -- Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From misteratomic at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 14:23:13 2008 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Wed Dec 17 14:23:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Asterisk - Grandstream ATA - Jan Meeting. Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60812171223q138f3481q40b5760587340f0f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM, wrote: > The Grandstream HandyTone 286 costs less than $30 and works fine with > asterisk. Oh, this is good. I would gladly spend 30 bucks to get back the 4 hours I wasted trying to unlock and update the firmware of that Sunrocket ATA. Thanks for that tip Sam. > > http://www.grandstream.com/ata.html > > All the trouble I had initially setting it up was because of firewalls > and sometimes the port settings that were set in the gui did not match > up with what was being sent. So if you have any trouble make sure the > right ports are forwarded and get a packet sniffer going and make sure > the packets are being sent to the ports that the web gui says. Once I > figured that out I have not had any problems. > > Sam I'll keep that in mind when I start on the asterisk journey. Sounds like this mail list will be helpful when the need arrives! Marc From temple_benjamin at hotmail.com Wed Dec 17 18:31:25 2008 From: temple_benjamin at hotmail.com (Benjamin Temple) Date: Wed Dec 17 18:31:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] ha ha ha Message-ID: Hello all, Look at this: http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/ It entails what might happen if linux is commercialized and/or if M$ has another mishap w/ WGA _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 20:21:56 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Wed Dec 17 20:22:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] XBox 360 wifi question / WAP question Message-ID: <619470.97362.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> The Xbox 360 wifi adapter is $100. I have another linksys wifi router.. Tell me if I understand this correctly. If I setup my second Linksys wifi router as a WAP, I'm assuming it connects to my main wifi router and gets its connectivity info from there. If thats the case I should be able to connect a cable from my 360 to the WAP and it should be connected to the net. Correct? From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed Dec 17 20:57:23 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Dec 17 20:57:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] XBox 360 wifi question / WAP question In-Reply-To: <619470.97362.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <619470.97362.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4949BC13.9000700@suddenlink.net> Alex Bartonek wrote: > The Xbox 360 wifi adapter is $100. I have another linksys wifi router.. Tell me if I understand this correctly. > > If I setup my second Linksys wifi router as a WAP, I'm assuming it connects to my main wifi router and gets its connectivity info from there. If thats the case I should be able to connect a cable from my 360 to the WAP and it should be connected to the net. > > > Correct? > I know it will work like that if you set up the second router as a repeater. That is what I did with my Wii, but I was not using Linksys devices. I used Netgear Router and a wireless access point set up as a reapeater. From wn5pmr at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 20:58:39 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Wed Dec 17 20:58:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] ha ha ha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4949BC5F.7080402@gmail.com> Benjamin Temple wrote: > Hello all, > Look at this: http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/ > It entails what might happen if linux is commercialized and/or if M$ has another mishap w/ WGA > After carefully reviewing this product I have come to the conclusion that it and I can't play well together. There for I'm going home and playing with my Penguin. Mike WN5PMR From trunty at linuxismybff.com Wed Dec 17 21:48:33 2008 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Wed Dec 17 21:48:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] XBox 360 wifi question / WAP question In-Reply-To: <4949BC13.9000700@suddenlink.net> References: <619470.97362.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4949BC13.9000700@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: You are exactly correct and this is quite commonly done. http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/10/02/how-to-cheap-wireless-for-your-xbox-360/ On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: > Alex Bartonek wrote: > >> The Xbox 360 wifi adapter is $100. I have another linksys wifi router.. >> Tell me if I understand this correctly. >> >> If I setup my second Linksys wifi router as a WAP, I'm assuming it >> connects to my main wifi router and gets its connectivity info from there. >> If thats the case I should be able to connect a cable from my 360 to the >> WAP and it should be connected to the net. >> >> >> Correct? >> >> > I know it will work like that if you set up the second router as a > repeater. That is what I did with my Wii, but I was not using Linksys > devices. I used Netgear Router and a wireless access point set up as a > reapeater. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 11:21:08 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Dec 19 11:21:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Postfix - deleting a transport Message-ID: <79ec289f0812190921s302d4f10l2418f75d49ee6b5c@mail.gmail.com> Good morning all! I got a small problem with Postfix. I was playing around with adding a transport for Postfix to process mail with SpamAssassin. Initially I wrote it wrong, so I stopped Postfix, fixed my mistake and restarted Postfix. However, in /var/log/maillog it is still complaining about not being able to connect to that Transport. I deleted the Transport from /var/spool/postfix/private and /var/spool/postfix/pid and restarted Postfix. Still the same problem. Where else does Postfix store information regarding its Transports? -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 11:43:14 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Dec 19 11:43:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Postfix - deleting a transport In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0812190921s302d4f10l2418f75d49ee6b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0812190921s302d4f10l2418f75d49ee6b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812191143.14663.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 19 December 2008 11:21:08 Jeremy Mann wrote: > ever, in /var/log/maillog it is > still complaining about not being able to connect to that Transport. I > deleted the Transport from /var/spool/postfix/private and > /var/spool/postfix/pid and restarted Postfix. Still the same problem. I'm not entirely positive, but did you check /etc/postfix/main.cf ? Or other config files in /etc/postfix ? From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 12:06:20 2008 From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann) Date: Fri Dec 19 12:06:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Postfix - deleting a transport In-Reply-To: <200812191143.14663.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0812190921s302d4f10l2418f75d49ee6b5c@mail.gmail.com> <200812191143.14663.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79ec289f0812191006j532d2b5ft13b1dfab6debf28@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:43 AM, John D Choate wrote: > On Friday 19 December 2008 11:21:08 Jeremy Mann wrote: >> ever, in /var/log/maillog it is >> still complaining about not being able to connect to that Transport. I >> deleted the Transport from /var/spool/postfix/private and >> /var/spool/postfix/pid and restarted Postfix. Still the same problem. > > I'm not entirely positive, but did you check /etc/postfix/main.cf ? Or other config files in /etc/postfix ? I fixed it shortly after posting (which is always the case with me;) ). The solution was to run: postsuper -r ALL Then reload Postfix -- Jeremy Mann jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu University of Texas Health Science Center Bioinformatics Core Facility http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu Phone: (210) 567-2672 From jdchoate at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 12:13:05 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Fri Dec 19 12:13:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Postfix - deleting a transport In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0812191006j532d2b5ft13b1dfab6debf28@mail.gmail.com> References: <79ec289f0812190921s302d4f10l2418f75d49ee6b5c@mail.gmail.com> <200812191143.14663.jdchoate@gmail.com> <79ec289f0812191006j532d2b5ft13b1dfab6debf28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812191213.05650.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 19 December 2008 12:06:20 Jeremy Mann wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:43 AM, John D Choate wrote: > > On Friday 19 December 2008 11:21:08 Jeremy Mann wrote: > >> ever, in /var/log/maillog it is > >> still complaining about not being able to connect to that Transport. I > >> deleted the Transport from /var/spool/postfix/private and > >> /var/spool/postfix/pid and restarted Postfix. Still the same problem. > > > > I'm not entirely positive, but did you check /etc/postfix/main.cf ? Or other config files in /etc/postfix ? > > I fixed it shortly after posting (which is always the case with me;) > ). The solution was to run: > > postsuper -r ALL > > Then reload Postfix > > > > -- > Jeremy Mann > jeremy@biochem.uthscsa.edu > > University of Texas Health Science Center > Bioinformatics Core Facility > http://www.bioinformatics.uthscsa.edu > Phone: (210) 567-2672 Aaahh... deleting the mail queue, of course. There was a message sitting in queue for that transport. From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 15:24:56 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Dec 19 15:24:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Slax Linux Message-ID: <494C1128.1020203@gmail.com> Hi all... Anyone have any experience with Slax Linux - a small (189MB) KDE distro? I've just started playing with it, and it seems a bit confined. I'd welcome anyone's experiences with it. Cheers; Ed From w5omr at att.net Fri Dec 19 19:28:34 2008 From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Fri Dec 19 19:28:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Slax Linux In-Reply-To: <494C1128.1020203@gmail.com> References: <494C1128.1020203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494C4A42.7020503@att.net> ed wrote: > Hi all... > > Anyone have any experience with Slax Linux - a small (189MB) KDE > distro? I've just started playing with it, and it seems a bit > confined. I'd welcome anyone's experiences with it. > > Cheers; > Ed > For a live-cd, it's not bad, but as you say, it's a bit -trim- on the fixin's. What, particularly, did you want to ask about it? From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 19:39:54 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Dec 19 19:39:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Slax Linux In-Reply-To: <494C4A42.7020503@att.net> References: <494C1128.1020203@gmail.com> <494C4A42.7020503@att.net> Message-ID: <494C4CEA.30307@gmail.com> Geoff/W5OMR wrote: > ed wrote: >> Hi all... >> >> Anyone have any experience with Slax Linux - a small (189MB) KDE >> distro? I've just started playing with it, and it seems a bit >> confined. I'd welcome anyone's experiences with it. >> >> Cheers; >> Ed >> > > For a live-cd, it's not bad, but as you say, it's a bit -trim- on the > fixin's. > > What, particularly, did you want to ask about it? > Was just curious, if the distro were loaded on a hard drive, what capabilities would be out there to enhance it and sweeten its flavor a little bit... (.rpm or .deb?, repositories if any, and sites catering to...) Cheers; From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 00:40:29 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Sat Dec 20 00:40:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] XBox 360 wifi question / WAP question In-Reply-To: <4949BC13.9000700@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <145652.42456.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Dennis Myhand wrote: > From: Dennis Myhand > I know it will work like that if you set up the second > router as a repeater. That is what I did with my Wii, but I > was not using Linksys devices. I used Netgear Router and a > wireless access point set up as a reapeater. man... dd-wrt is the coolest thing I've installed for a router. Its working!! Thanks Dennis. -=Alex From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Dec 20 03:21:04 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Sat Dec 20 03:21:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4948D98F.9080500@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <200812200321.04633.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Wednesday 17 December 2008 12:32:11 pm Don Wright wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:50:55 -0600, Dennis Myhand > > wrote: > >ed wrote: > >> Mind a dumb newbie question: What is RCHE? > > > >RHCE is RedHat Certified Engineer > > Except in Texas, where using the title "Engineer" is limited to licensees > of the Texas Board of Professional Engineers under terms of the Texas > Engineering Practice Act. (At least according to the Board.) Blah blah blah.. IMHO.. since they've never enforced that stupid law, so it's meaningless. I'm a real engineer (EE) and have never bothered with the stupid exam. I even have "Enginner" on my business cards. Texas can kiss my TAMU bahootey. I paid my way through A&M.. and they're not getting a dime more out of me dammit! :) Tweeks > The Computer Engineer exam[1] has recently changed. There's a good chance > many RHCE's would pass it. --Don > > [1] National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying > Principles and Practice of Engineering Examination > Electrical and Computer?COMPUTER Exam Specifications > EFFECTIVE Beginning with the April 2009 Examinations > http://www.ncees.org/exams/professional/Electrical_Computer%20Specification >s.pdf > > -- > Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Sat Dec 20 10:43:13 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Sat Dec 20 10:43:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <200812200321.04633.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <4c0ec4450812151535paafb77eq3f25abfbd4a3685c@mail.gmail.com> <4948D98F.9080500@suddenlink.net> <200812200321.04633.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <494D20A1.8000506@cis.sac.accd.edu> Tweeks wrote: > On Wednesday 17 December 2008 12:32:11 pm Don Wright wrote: > >> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:50:55 -0600, Dennis Myhand >> >> wrote: >> >>> ed wrote: >>> >>>> Mind a dumb newbie question: What is RCHE? >>>> >>> RHCE is RedHat Certified Engineer >>> >> Except in Texas, where using the title "Engineer" is limited to licensees >> of the Texas Board of Professional Engineers under terms of the Texas >> Engineering Practice Act. (At least according to the Board.) >> > > Blah blah blah.. IMHO.. since they've never enforced that stupid law, so it's > meaningless. I'm a real engineer (EE) and have never bothered with the > stupid exam. I even have "Enginner" on my business cards. Texas can kiss my > TAMU bahootey. I paid my way through A&M.. and they're not getting a dime > more out of me dammit! :) > > Tweeks > Geesh Tom. How do you really feel? (ha ha ha) Actually, Texas is not the only state with that type of law. I do not have "engineer" in my title, but its misuse does bother me sometimes. Forget the law...I have a hard time with the word engineer in several titles. As with many words, engineer can mean more than one thing. We normally do not think about it--we simply derive the meaning from the word's usage in a sentence. The word engineer could be the driver of a train (I think of the guy with the pinstripe hat hanging out of the window of a steam engine--ha ha). Does the E in MCSE mean engineer as in: a designer or builder of military works; a person who designs, invents, or contrives; a person who is trained in or follows as a calling a branch of engineering; a person who is in charge of the engines of a ship; or a crafty schemer? He he he... Merry Christmas, Steve > >> The Computer Engineer exam[1] has recently changed. There's a good chance >> many RHCE's would pass it. --Don >> >> [1] National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying >> Principles and Practice of Engineering Examination >> Electrical and Computer---COMPUTER Exam Specifications >> EFFECTIVE Beginning with the April 2009 Examinations >> http://www.ncees.org/exams/professional/Electrical_Computer%20Specification >> s.pdf >> >> -- >> Be well - or at least have interesting symptoms! >> > > > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Dec 20 10:53:37 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Sat Dec 20 10:53:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <494D20A1.8000506@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > stupid exam. I even have "Enginner" on my business cards. Texas can kiss my Last yeer I kudn't spel Engineer. Now I are won. (from my linux fortunes :-) From w5omr at att.net Sat Dec 20 11:06:24 2008 From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Sat Dec 20 11:06:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <494D2610.3070301@att.net> Borries Demeler wrote: >> stupid exam. I even have "Enginner" on my business cards. Texas can kiss my >> > > Last yeer I kudn't spel Engineer. Now I are won. > > (from my linux fortunes :-) > I saw that too, but wasn't gonna comment... *cough* *ahem* *cough* well... 'wasn't' ;-) Ok oK. so WHAT if you're atheist/jewish/agnostic/wiccan/whatever? We love y'all just the same! Just remember, it's the -Spirit- of the message that this was sent in. And, remember that we thought of you! :-) We make no apologies for being 'politically uncorrect'! /*Merry Christmas*/ -Geoff and Rhonda From jdchoate at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 13:44:23 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Sat Dec 20 13:44:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Slax Linux In-Reply-To: <494C1128.1020203@gmail.com> References: <494C1128.1020203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812201344.24135.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Friday 19 December 2008 15:24:56 ed wrote: > Hi all... > > Anyone have any experience with Slax Linux - a small (189MB) KDE > distro? I've just started playing with it, and it seems a bit > confined. I'd welcome anyone's experiences with it. > > Cheers; > Ed > The only Slax distro I've tried is OphCrack live cd, windows password cracker. Very handy if you need to fix someones windows and they/you forgot about the passwords. There is a separate download for the vista version. http://ophcrack.sourceforge.net/ From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sat Dec 20 17:45:11 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sat Dec 20 17:45:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... Message-ID: <51acf4bb3505400c846a9a9ae61bad62.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >As with many words, engineer can mean more than one thing. We >normally do not think about it--we simply derive the meaning from the >word's usage in a sentence. The word engineer could be the driver of a >train (I think of the guy with the pinstripe hat hanging out of the >window of a steam engine--ha ha) ------------------------------------------------------------------ One of my favorites is, Sanitary Engineer (hello Waste Management). my other favorite has a racial undertone, so won't be shared. Lou . From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Sat Dec 20 17:55:17 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Sat Dec 20 17:55:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <51acf4bb3505400c846a9a9ae61bad62.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <51acf4bb3505400c846a9a9ae61bad62.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <494D85E5.9060501@suddenlink.net> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: > my other favorite has a racial undertone, so won't be shared. > Lou > When we lived in California my father (A school janitor) taught a certification class at a local Junior College and the certification was in...wait for it...Custodial Engineering! My dad later told his boss he wanted more money because he was now faculty! Peace, Dennis From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 23:29:28 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Dec 20 23:29:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash issues... Message-ID: <494DD438.4030904@gmail.com> Help, anyone? After the latest and greatest updates to Ubuntu (Thurs and Fri), I cannot seen to get flash streaming video to work in any browser on my system. Its like I have a rogue Flash-Block installed (which I don't...) and running wild. No problems, however, playing Flash videos I've snagged from the web - just they no longer play in my browsers (FF, SwiftWeasel, Opera or Galeon). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers; Ed From hc at lookcee.com Sun Dec 21 00:34:10 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Sun Dec 21 00:33:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash issues... In-Reply-To: <494DD438.4030904@gmail.com> References: <494DD438.4030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494DE362.7070105@lookcee.com> ed wrote: > Help, anyone? > > After the latest and greatest updates to Ubuntu (Thurs and Fri), I > cannot seen to get flash streaming video to work in any browser on my > system. Its like I have a rogue Flash-Block installed (which I > don't...) and running wild. No problems, however, playing Flash > videos I've snagged from the web - just they no longer play in my > browsers (FF, SwiftWeasel, Opera or Galeon). Any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. > > Cheers; > Ed > Ed Doubt this will help, I don't use the embedded video much but was getting 'plug-in required' for Flash related URLs and I kept asking for it to be installed but didn't help till I hit a URL calling for it and that one worked. The plug that got installed was 'Shockwave Flash 9.0r124' but I still now and then get a page with overwritten text and similar display errors and referring to FF.Tools/Error Console I find the error listed to be caused by a URL that I don't recognize so I assume its an ad link or some such. might check it out and block that link. I didn't try. herb From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 01:27:08 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Sun Dec 21 01:27:11 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash issues... In-Reply-To: <494DE362.7070105@lookcee.com> References: <494DD438.4030904@gmail.com> <494DE362.7070105@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <494DEFCC.2040705@gmail.com> herb cee wrote: > ed wrote: >> Help, anyone? >> >> After the latest and greatest updates to Ubuntu (Thurs and Fri), I >> cannot seen to get flash streaming video to work in any browser on my >> system. Its like I have a rogue Flash-Block installed (which I >> don't...) and running wild. No problems, however, playing Flash >> videos I've snagged from the web - just they no longer play in my >> browsers (FF, SwiftWeasel, Opera or Galeon). Any suggestions would be >> greatly appreciated. Look in the directory /usr/lib//plugins/ Flash 9 will be libflashplayer.so See http://macromedia.mplug.org/ I haven't upgraded my system to glibc-2.4 yet, so I can't use Flash 10, but Flash 9 works for me. -- Bruce From scs at worldlinkisp.com Sun Dec 21 06:40:06 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Sun Dec 21 06:40:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash issues... Message-ID: <9b500bbedd9a4864bdf75b3ee6a2ed60.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >After the latest and greatest updates to Ubuntu (Thurs and Fri), I >cannot seen to get flash streaming video to work in any browser on my >system. Its like I have a rogue Flash-Block installed (which I >don't...) and running wild. No problems, however, playing Flash videos >I've snagged from the web - just they no longer play in my browsers (FF, >SwiftWeasel, Opera or Galeon). Any suggestions would be greatly >appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Brings to mind two quotes that have served me well. 1. Better than what? 2. If it ain't broke don't fix it! Lou From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 10:55:22 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sun Dec 21 10:55:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash issues... In-Reply-To: <9b500bbedd9a4864bdf75b3ee6a2ed60.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <9b500bbedd9a4864bdf75b3ee6a2ed60.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <494E74FA.6010900@gmail.com> Hello Lou... scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >> After the latest and greatest updates to Ubuntu (Thurs and Fri), I >> cannot seen to get flash streaming video to work in any browser on my >> system. Its like I have a rogue Flash-Block installed (which I >> don't...) and running wild. No problems, however, playing Flash videos >> I've snagged from the web - just they no longer play in my browsers (FF, >> SwiftWeasel, Opera or Galeon). Any suggestions would be greatly >> appreciated. >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Brings to mind two quotes that have served me well. > 1. Better than what? 2. If it ain't broke don't fix it! > Lou > > And...this is helpful...how? Ed From ve3cda at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 12:56:09 2008 From: ve3cda at gmail.com (Ben Price) Date: Sun Dec 21 12:56:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu stability question... Message-ID: Hello all, Merry Christmas, and I hope Santa brings you what you REALLY want. I seem to recall that the current release of Ubuntu had some issues. I'd like to install it but would like a stable version. Comments or suggestions graciously received. Ben Price *JBPrice* *RF & IT Solutions* San Antonio www.JBPrice.com From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Sun Dec 21 13:02:57 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Sun Dec 21 13:03:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash issues... In-Reply-To: <494E74FA.6010900@gmail.com> References: <9b500bbedd9a4864bdf75b3ee6a2ed60.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <494E74FA.6010900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <494E92E1.1020606@grandecom.net> ed wrote: > Hello Lou... > > scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >>> After the latest and greatest updates to Ubuntu (Thurs and Fri), I >>> cannot seen to get flash streaming video to work in any browser on >>> my system. Its like I have a rogue Flash-Block installed (which I >>> don't...) and running wild. No problems, however, playing Flash >>> videos I've snagged from the web - just they no longer play in my >>> browsers (FF, SwiftWeasel, Opera or Galeon). Any suggestions would >>> be greatly appreciated. I had this issue a couple of weeks ago. after another update. I simply uninstalled FF and the flash plugin and then reinstalled. Worked for me. That said I am using 8.04 lts rather then 8.10. It has been my recent experience that 8.10 is not nearly as stable as previous some of Ubuntu's other 6 month releases. Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 03:11:39 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Mon Dec 22 03:11:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Flash issues... In-Reply-To: <494E92E1.1020606@grandecom.net> References: <9b500bbedd9a4864bdf75b3ee6a2ed60.scs@worldlinkisp.com> <494E74FA.6010900@gmail.com> <494E92E1.1020606@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <494F59CB.6060108@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > ed wrote: >> Hello Lou... >> >> scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: >>>> After the latest and greatest updates to Ubuntu (Thurs and Fri), I >>>> cannot seen to get flash streaming video to work in any browser on >>>> my system. Its like I have a rogue Flash-Block installed (which I >>>> don't...) and running wild. No problems, however, playing Flash >>>> videos I've snagged from the web - just they no longer play in my >>>> browsers (FF, SwiftWeasel, Opera or Galeon). Any suggestions would >>>> be greatly appreciated. > I had this issue a couple of weeks ago. after another update. I > simply uninstalled FF and the flash plugin and then reinstalled. > Worked for me. That said I am using 8.04 lts rather then 8.10. It > has been my recent experience that 8.10 is not nearly as stable as > previous some of Ubuntu's other 6 month releases. > Hi Todd; I'm also sticking with 8.04 for much the same reasons. I discovered that somehow I had /swfdec/ (6.0.9) installed, and that it was stomping all over /flash-plugin-nonfree/ (10.0.3.15) -- couldn't install, uninstall or change flash until after I dumped swfdec. Then, however, flash restored to normal operation. Go figure, huh? Cheers; Ed From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Dec 22 12:31:24 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Dec 22 12:31:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu stability question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494FDCFC.6000309@grandecom.net> Ben Price wrote: > Hello all, > > Merry Christmas, and I hope Santa brings you what you REALLY want. > > I seem to recall that the current release of Ubuntu had some issues. I'd > like to install it but would like a stable version. > > Comments or suggestions graciously received. > > Ben Price > > *JBPrice* > *RF & IT Solutions* > San Antonio > www.JBPrice.com > as noted in an earlier post I would recomend that you stick with Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (long-term support), It is much more stable then the latests 8.10. Todd From misteratomic at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:10:56 2008 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:10:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Ubuntu stability question... Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60812221310q576c6d70u6ab1c24b2f7553fd@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM, wrote: > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:56:09 -0600 > From: "Ben Price" > Subject: [SATLUG] Ubuntu stability question... > To: satlug@satlug.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello all, > > Merry Christmas, and I hope Santa brings you what you REALLY want. > > I seem to recall that the current release of Ubuntu had some issues. I'd > like to install it but would like a stable version. > > Comments or suggestions graciously received. > > Ben Price > > *JBPrice* > *RF & IT Solutions* > San Antonio > www.JBPrice.com > I've installed both 64 (Fresh install) and 32 bit (auto upgrade from Hardy) versions of Intrepid with little or no issues. Both processors are AMD. The 64 bit is on a dual core machine. All hardware works great except for an AMD-ATI integrated motherboard using ATI 3200HD graphics. This is a closed source driver issue not a direct result of the distribution itself. -- Marc From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 17:27:07 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:27:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Ben, Ubuntu Message-ID: <7e4994a70812221527o24b639f7w8db2d9077ab0f3de@mail.gmail.com> Not sure which version you're talking abt but me and mom use Hardy Heron which is very stable..never had any problems...well not in the last year anyway...a few hardware type things when it first came out...but none now. I wouldn't use Intrepid Ibex yet...still has some bugs heard from an engineer friend..he suggested waiting til like March if I feel the need to upgrade to II...c From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Dec 22 19:08:22 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Mon Dec 22 19:08:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <200812221908.22249.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Saturday 20 December 2008 10:53:37 am Borries Demeler wrote: > > stupid exam. I even have "Enginner" on my business cards. Texas can > > kiss my > > Last yeer I kudn't spel Engineer. Now I are won. Ha.. yeah.. I'm famous for that.. Especially in posts after 1am. :) But hey.. I can always claim that I are an Aggie Engineer.. ;) But you're right Steve.. the abuse of the title has really watered down what it means. I mean when an illegal can get a job as a "Sanitation Engineer", it does kind of make me say "whaaa?". Whatever.. Titles are bunk anyway. It's what you have done and what you can DO that's important. MCSE.. just a paper cert.. RHCE.. better (hands on).. but I've still seen some of the worst sys-admins pass the RHCE, and some of the best have problems with the test. No biggie. I usually look at experience first.. education second, then any certs to round things out. Merry Christmas all... Tweeks (via port 2525 over my mom's crappy DSL link) From luis at luisgarza.com Mon Dec 22 19:26:50 2008 From: luis at luisgarza.com (Luis Garza) Date: Mon Dec 22 19:26:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... References: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <200812221908.22249.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <670899.13337.qm@web37001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I caught the tail end of this. I am a licensed Mechanical Engineer. I graduated from UTSA and passed the Texas EIT exam. I believe that RedHat is offering a Certified Cisco Network Engineer. This is a certification only provided by Cisco. I believe that it is not a license regulated by the state but a certification offered by a corperation. ________________________________ From: Tweeks To: satlug@satlug.org Cc: Borries Demeler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:08:22 PM Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... On Saturday 20 December 2008 10:53:37 am Borries Demeler wrote: > > stupid exam. I even have "Enginner" on my business cards. Texas can > > kiss my > > Last yeer I kudn't spel Engineer. Now I are won. Ha.. yeah.. I'm famous for that.. Especially in posts after 1am. :) But hey.. I can always claim that I are an Aggie Engineer.. ;) But you're right Steve.. the abuse of the title has really watered down what it means. I mean when an illegal can get a job as a "Sanitation Engineer", it does kind of make me say "whaaa?". Whatever.. Titles are bunk anyway. It's what you have done and what you can DO that's important. MCSE.. just a paper cert.. RHCE.. better (hands on).. but I've still seen some of the worst sys-admins pass the RHCE, and some of the best have problems with the test. No biggie. I usually look at experience first.. education second, then any certs to round things out. Merry Christmas all... Tweeks (via port 2525 over my mom's crappy DSL link) -- _______________________________________________ SATLUG mailing list SATLUG@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Mon Dec 22 19:32:37 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Mon Dec 22 19:32:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <670899.13337.qm@web37001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <200812221908.22249.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <670899.13337.qm@web37001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49503FB5.4060501@suddenlink.net> Luis Garza wrote: > I caught the tail end of this. > > I am a licensed Mechanical Engineer. I graduated from UTSA and passed the Texas EIT exam. > > I believe that RedHat is offering a Certified Cisco Network Engineer. This is a certification only provided by Cisco. > I believe that it is not a license regulated by the state but a certification offered by a corperation. > > I doubt RedHat is offering any certification by Cisco. Cisco now offers the CCENT which stands for Cisco Certified Entry Networking Technician. It can help you get on with Geek Squad, or, you can take the other part of the 802 exam and get a CCNA. Peace, Dennis From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 20:00:04 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Dec 22 20:00:07 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <200812221908.22249.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> References: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <200812221908.22249.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> Message-ID: <49504624.3050803@gmail.com> Tweeks wrote: > But you're right Steve.. the abuse of the title has really watered down what > it means. I mean when an illegal can get a job as a "Sanitation Engineer", > it does kind of make me say "whaaa?". Whatever.. Titles are bunk anyway. > It's what you have done and what you can DO that's important. MCSE.. just a > paper cert.. RHCE.. better (hands on).. but I've still seen some of the worst > sys-admins pass the RHCE, and some of the best have problems with the test. > No biggie. I usually look at experience first.. education second, then any > certs to round things out. There are a lot of credentials around. Examples are academic degrees and certifications (computer, accounting, legal, medical, etc). The only real purpose of these credentials are to introduce someone to another without prior knowledge of the person's abilities. One big issue is the reputation of the certificate issuer. How about a Ph.D. from the University of Berkeley? (Check it out. It's a fraud.) Most computer certificates are junk. You only have to pass a multiple guess test or two. Others like RHCE and Cisco's Network Engineer are a bit more rigorous, but that doesn't tell you what the person can do. In many cases, a certificate can help someone get a job, but it won't help them keep it if they have don't get along well with others, don't have a good work ethic, and/or don't have real skills that are useful in the workplace. -- Bruce From trunty at linuxismybff.com Mon Dec 22 20:30:34 2008 From: trunty at linuxismybff.com (Travis Runty) Date: Mon Dec 22 20:30:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RHCE... In-Reply-To: <49504624.3050803@gmail.com> References: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <200812221908.22249.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <49504624.3050803@gmail.com> Message-ID: I believe that certifications are to be taken with a grain of salt, as is a college degree in many aspects. Obviously a college degree requires more work and says a lot about a person but each says very little about a persons actual work habits and real world experiences. There are multiple choice certification tests that seem lame, however, with a RHCE at least you know the person can do a complete linux install, custom partitioning, software raid, basic configuration of redhat supported packages (apache, vsftpd, squid, samba, sendmail/postfix, etc), and general system maintenance. However, just because a person may have their RHCE this does not mean they are aware fully aware of best practices or are going to show up to work on time. Having a certificate likely does come in handy when a person does not know you or your skill level, howeve, they atleast have an idea. my 2 cents, or less... :) On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Tweeks wrote: > > But you're right Steve.. the abuse of the title has really watered down >> what it means. I mean when an illegal can get a job as a "Sanitation >> Engineer", it does kind of make me say "whaaa?". Whatever.. Titles are bunk >> anyway. It's what you have done and what you can DO that's important. >> MCSE.. just a paper cert.. RHCE.. better (hands on).. but I've still seen >> some of the worst sys-admins pass the RHCE, and some of the best have >> problems with the test. No biggie. I usually look at experience first.. >> education second, then any certs to round things out. >> > > There are a lot of credentials around. Examples are academic degrees and > certifications (computer, accounting, legal, medical, etc). The only real > purpose of these credentials are to introduce someone to another without > prior knowledge of the person's abilities. One big issue is the reputation > of the certificate issuer. How about a Ph.D. from the University of > Berkeley? (Check it out. It's a fraud.) > > Most computer certificates are junk. You only have to pass a multiple > guess test or two. Others like RHCE and Cisco's Network Engineer are a bit > more rigorous, but that doesn't tell you what the person can do. > > In many cases, a certificate can help someone get a job, but it won't help > them keep it if they have don't get along well with others, don't have a > good work ethic, and/or don't have real skills that are useful in the > workplace. > > -- Bruce > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Travis Runty 210.391.3949 www.linuxismybff.com From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Dec 22 21:36:45 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Mon Dec 22 21:36:54 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Study for RH CE... In-Reply-To: References: <200812201653.mBKGrbcY005655@biochem.uthscsa.edu> <49504624.3050803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812222136.45134.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Monday 22 December 2008 08:30:34 pm Travis Runty wrote: > I believe that certifications are to be taken with a grain of salt, as is a > college degree in many aspects. Obviously a college degree requires more > work and says a lot about a person but each says very little about a > persons actual work habits and real world experiences. Very true. > There are multiple > choice certification tests that seem lame, however, with a RHCE at least > you know the person can do a complete linux install, custom partitioning, > software raid, basic configuration of redhat supported packages (apache, > vsftpd, squid, samba, sendmail/postfix, etc), and general system > maintenance. However, just because a person may have their RHCE this does > not mean they are aware fully aware of best practices or are going to show > up to work on time. Bingo.. This is why I always look at experience first. If I see a job hopper pattern... (for whatever reason).. watch out. > Having a certificate likely does come in handy when a > person does not know you or your skill level, howeve, they atleast have an > idea. But others are right.. even with the upper level Cisco and RHCx exams, that validates some of the technical holes. It doesn't tell you about "the person" or how they are to work with. Or if they're going to show up on time, or piss off one of your customers. > my 2 cents, or less... :) With mine.. that's 4. :) Tweeks From hc at lookcee.com Tue Dec 23 14:17:25 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Tue Dec 23 14:17:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . Message-ID: <49514755.3020708@lookcee.com> My first ? is why did the printer command reboot my entire machine. Second if I duplicate this failure where do I look for clues about why the failure panicked the OS?? What CLI code do I use? I apologize for the verbosity but it's a full story and why I can't do much with Google. I hope at least the story is interesting. The rig is a P-4 with AMD 1.8CPU, 1.4G-SDRAM266 80G HD Printer is Brother-2140 Laser, near new. OS is Server Ubuntu 8.04 fully updated using CUPS and the driver was automatically installed when the printer was detected by the sys USB, Has printed perfectly with no prior problems. Background here is my friend/neighbor and I share research interest in sustainable farming and her Win-XP got zapped and so she asked if i would copy my file for her since I have a portable 60G HD on a USB box so I copied all the manuals/.pdf files and took it to her and they loaded off fine. So she tried to load a new E-book she acquired from the CD to my HD but it refused to copy, no complaint just ignoring the copy command ala-Windows, anyway, I said I would just copy directly from the disk and return it. That worked fine and I don't recall any problem at the time, the file is sitting on this rig now. I returned the CD. My friend knew that I had just bought the new Laser printer and ask if I would print the book for her and she would pay for paper and ink. The following error sequence and my wriggles occurred. This book title is "The Complete Book of Self-Sufficiency" it's filled with illustrations on a .PDF file so I opened it with Ubuntu 8.04 Document Viewer and since book is 258 8x11 pages decided to print it on both side of the paper. I ran the even pages first and it printed all the pages great. I let the paper cool for a bit then fed the stack back in for the odd pages and was fine until I got a paper jam at pg 247 so final good page was 246. so all I needed was to redo those final 6 sheets I removed the jam printed a test page and reset the print to print just the evens and clicked print and got a OS crash. Total reboot. Now thinking I had just printed OK test page ??? I tried printing from another file worked fine 100%, then selected single pg from the book, got booted. I remembered reading where someone had put a copy-write program embedded into the CD that punished somewhat like that, and that the workroun was to copy the file giving it a new name. So I copied to diff dir and selected the 6 even pages and voila it printed them but when I turned the stack over to print odd 6 it printed 1 sheet and stopped and when I tried to restart printing, got booted. I renamed the file asked again for single pg., got booted. LOL ... I gave the slightly short book to my friend but I do want to retry to print those missing pages and to capture why the sys boot is happening. Can someone please guide me in my effort? I am ready to copy the .PDF to a diff directory and I am sure it will allow me to print the entire file but I will choose just the final pages and then the failure will occur when I try to print the reverse sides. Thanks, herb From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Dec 23 15:38:47 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Dec 23 15:38:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . In-Reply-To: <49514755.3020708@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <200812232138.mBNLcmWk020640@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > So I copied to diff dir and selected the 6 even pages and voila it > printed them but when I turned the stack over to print odd 6 it printed > 1 sheet and stopped and when I tried to restart printing, got booted. I > renamed the file asked again for single pg., got booted. I think the key is that it does this only on this one page (247). Are you doing this as root, or is the print command running as root? I agree with you this should never happen. It is possible that the file is somehow corrupted and sends an unhandled exception. I would try this: As a regular user, not root, open the document and print it to a postscript file. Printing "To File" should do that. Then open the postscript file with ghostview and see if it displays p247 correctly. If so, try again to print it, but this time from the postscript viewer. See if this workaround does the trick. Last resort would be to load this page from the pdf file into gimp and turn it into a bitmapped file for printing. Good luck, -b. From scs at worldlinkisp.com Tue Dec 23 18:44:34 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Tue Dec 23 18:44:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . Message-ID: <73d0069f376f4bfea2e0dcda46d8899a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> > My first ? is why did the printer command reboot my entire machine. >Second if I duplicate this failure where do I look for clues about why >the failure panicked the OS?? What CLI code do I use? ------------------------------------------ cd /var/log ; cat messages and see what it reported. Note: if you don't purge this file regularly it will be rather long, once done viewing it < rm messages > will make it virgin again. HTH Lou From dkowis at shlrm.org Tue Dec 23 23:09:28 2008 From: dkowis at shlrm.org (David Kowis) Date: Tue Dec 23 23:09:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . In-Reply-To: <73d0069f376f4bfea2e0dcda46d8899a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> References: <73d0069f376f4bfea2e0dcda46d8899a.scs@worldlinkisp.com> Message-ID: <4951C408.1040801@shlrm.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 scs@worldlinkisp.com wrote: |> My first ? is why did the printer command reboot my entire machine. |> Second if I duplicate this failure where do I look for clues about why |> the failure panicked the OS?? What CLI code do I use? | ------------------------------------------ | cd /var/log ; cat messages and see what it reported. | | Note: if you don't purge this file regularly it will be rather long, once | done viewing it < rm messages > will make it virgin again. | | HTH Lou | | Might I reccomend using less instead of cat less /var/log/messages Far easier to manage. I don't usually blow away my log files, most linux setups nowadays have log rotation built in. - -- David Kowis www.campaignforliberty.com - Freedom is popular! www.sourcemage.org - SourceMage GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJJUcQIAAoJEMnf+vRw63ObY/UL/3vXxJ4E9JkdRqa+qb17RJit fUyoPXy8UvwlDsynciugzQAC++4N7+XwC8AdPIRXTSNfqjsHECZLhrYD8V9VDkjd 97r7rJh3O6fn7oBtIv28EB3HTtL1/5+SKQW4dmNqQ5G2iJeqGXtBfUet4TC9THGK 3ldtvQ/gbaoImN4GpDQgCenA2KgWE0DcXK79FE+OfUsDC8/GOiDOLe0WbkxsEbFn GlXVpSXs0Xqyyvsq95nuMs07UN49Jlsv4OT5q85uGDYp0gHkxx1FZBgH7gvQY5v+ T+iWuQiYTGVPGXlUJSHK0g7fyROCltjtWShwUQhNpO9m3hA3ONI1sac+uQpfhHbG ecnufxN399gYNoA6XHwnrl23V8Mmd6bxxCs3rBKNN7oRJH7rksteo5k+mlBh2QiO Io6e/LD7Smm5Fc1RpXoIYVpd/yahvMt5+60dOBPYfbsJ6ULnCwgEWa32KYpROtNp Rj7H+a5kqlWepnjjx9WKnXVP0HRxfXrlEtCV8vTRVg== =Ne+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jfw5cpa at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 09:16:11 2008 From: jfw5cpa at gmail.com (Jim Wells) Date: Wed Dec 24 09:16:14 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Best Wishes Message-ID: <8c9fbbeb0812240716s1aa19b19u8ddbb5bb2999f241@mail.gmail.com> I want to wish each & every member of SATLUG, a wonderful Holiday as well as a safe & happy New Year! Jim Wells From dvprogs at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 09:27:18 2008 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Wed Dec 24 09:27:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? Message-ID: <7f9598380812240727r459d5ed0ob0c5c5adb4a9b96a@mail.gmail.com> At least in respect to structural/civil engineering, in the great State of Texas, someone who passes the appropriate engineering exam is entitled to call himself an engineer and may use an official stamp. Some might say that a "real" engineer is someone with the training and experience... but then such an individual still could not file a drawing without having an engineer's stamp, so an individual with the authority to use said stamp would have to then vouch for the other individual's work. I have my primary training in languages and the most often-asked questions I receive have to do with fluency and the "why"? Does having a bachelor's degree in a particular language ["liberal arts" field] make one a linguist ? I'd like to see an engineering contest where the winner is the one who can best replicate the Great Pyramid of Giza [to scale], or even explain how it was done authoritatively. Extra points as to explaining the water-weathering patterns on the Sphinx. have fun, Daniel Villarreal ----quote start----------- > >RHCE is RedHat Certified Engineer > > Except in Texas, where using the title "Engineer" is limited to licensees > of the Texas Board of Professional Engineers under terms of the Texas > Engineering Practice Act. (At least according to the Board.) Blah blah blah.. IMHO.. since they've never enforced that stupid law, so it's meaningless. I'm a real engineer (EE) and have never bothered with the stupid exam. I even have "Enginner" on my business cards. Texas can kiss my TAMU bahootey. I paid my way through A&M.. and they're not getting a dime more out of me dammit! :) Tweeks ... ----quote end----------- From pixelnate at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 10:09:28 2008 From: pixelnate at gmail.com (Nate Turnage) Date: Wed Dec 24 10:09:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? In-Reply-To: <7f9598380812240727r459d5ed0ob0c5c5adb4a9b96a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f9598380812240727r459d5ed0ob0c5c5adb4a9b96a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:27 AM, D Villarreal wrote: > I'd like to see an engineering contest where the winner is the one who can > best replicate the Great Pyramid of Giza [to scale], or even explain how it > was done authoritatively. Hundreds of very intelligent people have long debated the hows and whys and whats of the Great Pyramid in Giza and nothing has been decided authoritatively through that discourse, so I don't think an engineering competition in San Antonio is going to unravel that mystery either. I think a student engineering competition might be cool to do in this city to see how far kids can get into these subjects, though. ~Nate From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed Dec 24 10:19:18 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Dec 24 10:19:20 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? In-Reply-To: References: <7f9598380812240727r459d5ed0ob0c5c5adb4a9b96a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49526106.4090202@suddenlink.net> Nate Turnage wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:27 AM, D Villarreal wrote: > >> I'd like to see an engineering contest where the winner is the one who can >> best replicate the Great Pyramid of Giza [to scale], or even explain how it >> was done authoritatively. > > > > Hundreds of very intelligent people have long debated the hows and whys and > whats of the Great Pyramid in Giza and nothing has been decided > authoritatively through that discourse, so I don't think an engineering > competition in San Antonio is going to unravel that mystery either. I think > a student engineering competition might be cool to do in this city to see > how far kids can get into these subjects, though. > > > > ~Nate > At dna High School, in Edna, TX., one of the most popular extra-curricular activities is the Science Olympiad, which has robot design and fabrication as a major part. Last year, the Edna Cowbotics The Edna sports teams are the cowboy/cowgirls) home grown robot placed second behind two 5A schools from the Houston area. They bought their robots. We built ours from scratch. Just wait 'til next year! There are some students ready for your engineering competition. Let us know when and where! Peace, Dennis From edeleonjr at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 10:19:18 2008 From: edeleonjr at gmail.com (Ernest De Leon) Date: Wed Dec 24 10:19:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? In-Reply-To: References: <7f9598380812240727r459d5ed0ob0c5c5adb4a9b96a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Now that is a great idea. Having an engineering competition would be awesome for the kids and the field. Breaking it into various events like structural engineering, electrical engineering and mechanical engineering would be great. Find a way to throw in 'green' building/power and now you have the greatest competition ever staged. I would be game to help organize/sponsor something like that. On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Nate Turnage wrote: > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:27 AM, D Villarreal wrote: > > > I'd like to see an engineering contest where the winner is the one who > can > > best replicate the Great Pyramid of Giza [to scale], or even explain how > it > > was done authoritatively. > > > > Hundreds of very intelligent people have long debated the hows and whys and > whats of the Great Pyramid in Giza and nothing has been decided > authoritatively through that discourse, so I don't think an engineering > competition in San Antonio is going to unravel that mystery either. I think > a student engineering competition might be cool to do in this city to see > how far kids can get into these subjects, though. > > > > ~Nate > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 24 12:01:47 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:01:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . In-Reply-To: <200812232138.mBNLcmWk020640@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812232138.mBNLcmWk020640@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <4952790B.5040000@lookcee.com> Borries Demeler wrote: >> So I copied to diff dir and selected the 6 even pages and voila it >> printed them but when I turned the stack over to print odd 6 it printed >> 1 sheet and stopped and when I tried to restart printing, got booted. I >> renamed the file asked again for single pg., got booted. >> > > I think the key is that it does this only on this one page (247). > Are you doing this as root, or is the print command running as root? > I agree with you this should never happen. It is possible that the > file is somehow corrupted and sends an unhandled exception. > > I would try this: > > As a regular user, not root, open the document and print it to a postscript > file. Printing "To File" should do that. Then open the postscript file with > ghostview and see if it displays p247 correctly. If so, try again to print it, > but this time from the postscript viewer. See if this workaround does the > trick. > > Last resort would be to load this page from the pdf file into gimp and > turn it into a bitmapped file for printing. > > Good luck, -b. > Thanks Borries, I had to interrupt this but may get back to it today. One other thing that I noticed was that it printed 1/2 of pg 22 then skipped 3 blank pgs but not knowing this when I flipped over to print the odd numbered it failed to print pg 23 but then it also skipped those 3 blanks and resumed with pg 25 on back of 24 this threw off the Left/Right pagination. I think since I would not mind having a hard copy I will try reprinting the entire book and see what happens. I had a mild heart attack but I am feeling better just bit weak. I am going to look at the logs now first then reset them before the next try Thanks to all & Merry Christmas herb From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Dec 24 12:08:18 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:08:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . In-Reply-To: <4952790B.5040000@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <200812241808.mBOI8ICq021752@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > Thanks Borries, I had to interrupt this but may get back to it today. > One other thing that I noticed was that it printed 1/2 of pg 22 then > skipped 3 blank pgs but not knowing this when I flipped over to print > the odd numbered it failed to print pg 23 but then it also skipped those > 3 blanks and resumed with pg 25 on back of 24 this threw off the > Left/Right pagination. I think since I would not mind having a hard > copy I will try reprinting the entire book and see what happens. I had > a mild heart attack but I am feeling better just bit weak. This seems to be a common problem. Unless you have a high-quality, very reliable printer some little mishap is easy to happen. I recommend to reprint in small 10 page sections when doing the back side, to make sure you don't waste too much paper in case of a paper jam, or printer hiccup. -b. > > I am going to look at the logs now first then reset them before the next try > Thanks to all & Merry Christmas > herb > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 12:24:01 2008 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:24:05 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <473290.70135.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now that we're discussing the crab's immortality, while talking to my bro-in-law, we were talking about whether particular gadgets had micro-disks or solid-state ones, then I started wondering whether micro-disks, floppies and all other disks were liquid/gel based or not. oh well!!! Happy Holidays. esv. -------------------------------------- Support the troops, bring them home. http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Ernest De Leon wrote: > From: Ernest De Leon > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 11:19 AM > Now that is a great idea. Having an engineering competition > would be awesome > for the kids and the field. Breaking it into various events > like structural > engineering, electrical engineering and mechanical > engineering would be > great. Find a way to throw in 'green' > building/power and now you have the > greatest competition ever staged. I would be game to help > organize/sponsor > something like that. > > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Nate Turnage > wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:27 AM, D Villarreal > wrote: > > > > > I'd like to see an engineering contest where > the winner is the one who > > can > > > best replicate the Great Pyramid of Giza [to > scale], or even explain how > > it > > > was done authoritatively. > > > > > > > > Hundreds of very intelligent people have long debated > the hows and whys and > > whats of the Great Pyramid in Giza and nothing has > been decided > > authoritatively through that discourse, so I don't > think an engineering > > competition in San Antonio is going to unravel that > mystery either. I think > > a student engineering competition might be cool to do > in this city to see > > how far kids can get into these subjects, though. > > > > > > > > ~Nate > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 24 12:48:10 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Wed Dec 24 12:48:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . In-Reply-To: <200812241808.mBOI8ICq021752@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812241808.mBOI8ICq021752@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <495283EA.3070905@lookcee.com> Borries Demeler wrote: >> Thanks Borries, I had to interrupt this but may get back to it today. >> One other thing that I noticed was that it printed 1/2 of pg 22 then >> skipped 3 blank pgs but not knowing this when I flipped over to print >> the odd numbered it failed to print pg 23 but then it also skipped those >> 3 blanks and resumed with pg 25 on back of 24 this threw off the >> Left/Right pagination. I think since I would not mind having a hard >> copy I will try reprinting the entire book and see what happens. I had >> a mild heart attack but I am feeling better just bit weak. >> > > This seems to be a common problem. Unless you have a high-quality, very > reliable printer some little mishap is easy to happen. I recommend to reprint > in small 10 page sections when doing the back side, to make sure you don't > waste too much paper in case of a paper jam, or printer hiccup. > > -b. > Hmmmm yeah I was also giving the brand new printer a test of printing a long document and what puzzles me is that in pringing all the even sides first those three blank pages got inserted and printing was interrupted 1/2 way down pg 22 but the printer did not stop it simply fed those extra pgs. Soooo, then in turning over the entire stack how did the printer know to skip those 3 blank pgs. Yet it did print from 1 to 21 correctly on the back side but totally skipped pg 23 and those blanks. See the puzzle? >> I am going to look at the logs now I tried to read the log but the error occured back on Dec 14th and my var/log only goes back to the 20th .. Do you know if there is a way to see the 14th or is it gone? >> first then reset them before the next try >> Thanks to all & Merry Christmas >> herb >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Dec 24 13:46:20 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Wed Dec 24 13:46:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . In-Reply-To: <495283EA.3070905@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <200812241946.mBOJkKi8029687@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > I tried to read the log but the error occured back on Dec 14th and my > var/log only goes back to the 20th .. Do you know if there is a way to > see the 14th or is it gone? I am not sure what the log would tell you - I would just try to regenerate the problem. Have you tried the approach I suggested earlier of going over postscript files first? -b. > > >> first then reset them before the next try > >> Thanks to all & Merry Christmas > >> herb > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SATLUG mailing list > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From jehaywood at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 18:20:52 2008 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Wed Dec 24 18:20:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ISP options in Schertz? Message-ID: I have a friend who is moving back to Tx (Schertz in particular). Any opinions on the ISP options for that area? He works from home so whoever it is - they MUST be reliable. So I'm thinking that cuts Time-warner out of the picture... I had the one weird problem (rogue DHCP server that they would not admit to) with Grande but no problems since. He's thinking that he'll need to do DSL. Any thoughts?? Jennie -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From astro at astr0.org Wed Dec 24 21:04:44 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (brian lewis) Date: Wed Dec 24 21:04:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ISP options in Schertz? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4952F84C.5050209@astr0.org> If he works from home, he should purchase internet from 2 different ISP's for redundancy. I'd go with Grande and Time warner if possible. AT&T's u-verse is garbage. -b Jennie Haywood wrote: > I have a friend who is moving back to Tx (Schertz in particular). Any > opinions on the ISP options for that area? > He works from home so whoever it is - they MUST be reliable. So I'm > thinking that cuts Time-warner out of the picture... I had the one weird > problem (rogue DHCP server that they would not admit to) with Grande but no > problems since. He's thinking that he'll need to do DSL. > > Any thoughts?? > > Jennie > > > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Dec 24 23:54:00 2008 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tweeks) Date: Wed Dec 24 23:54:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? In-Reply-To: References: <7f9598380812240727r459d5ed0ob0c5c5adb4a9b96a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812242354.01456.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> [Mike Henry: I CCd you on this.. maybe you can help provide some guidance on how to bring some of these STEM-ish programs I list together!] On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:09:28 am Nate Turnage wrote: [...] > I think > a student engineering competition might be cool to do in this city to see > how far kids can get into these subjects, though. There ARE already a number of Science and Technology kids programs in and around SA... Here are a just a few that I know about or have been involved in in the past couple of years: Example #1: Robotics Program, 2008 (& ongoing) As a part of the STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) coalition, the RITE Robotics competition for Jr & High schoolers is one SA kids technology program that's going strong. One of the SA reps for the program presented on their Kids/Robotics program at XCSSA that last September looking for volunteers to help out: http://xcssa.org/archives/XCSSA_2008-09-15.html#NEXT http://www.accd.edu/nvc/programs/tier/default.htm Example #2: High Powered Hybrid Rocket Program, 2007 (ongoing?) Then there was the "High Power", Hybrid Educational Rocket Launch" in 2007: http://theweeks.org/rockets/2007-04_LAUNCH/ Very cool... I was told that NASA, the sate of TX and others backed this program that sought to tech south Texas kids how to build and fly high powered, hybrid fuel rockets. (too bad they didn't tech them how to recoverthem.. hehe.. look at the pics and video... ;). Anyway, I was one of the technical SMEs that helped oversee the launch. It was lots of fun seeing the kids getting to "play" with this technology and learn.. encumbered by finances and bureaucracy. :) Example #3: UTSA/Rackspace Tech Kids Summer Camp, 2008 UTSA and Rackspace hosted a two week long technology summer camp for twenty kids. Eighth and ninth graders from NEISD, SAISD, and children of Rackspace employees sat through classes taught by Rackers on everything from "How the Internet Works" to "Basics of Web Server Software". http://kids.rackspace.com/ http://theweeks.org/tmp/2008-KIDS-TECH-CAMP/ It was a lot of fun. The winners got a small scholarship to UTSA and a free laptop. Cool stuff. Anyway.. there are other high tech youth initiatives in and around SA. You just have to look for them. :) Tweeks p.s. Mike.. please contact me as I would like to talk to folks about how we could bring more of these STEM type programs together... From othniel at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 03:03:31 2008 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Thu Dec 25 03:03:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ISP options in Schertz? In-Reply-To: <4952F84C.5050209@astr0.org> References: <4952F84C.5050209@astr0.org> Message-ID: <24b598f60812250103g4e75a407xc4a3909ab497312@mail.gmail.com> Your friend can do wireless since all the cell phone towers in that area are equipped. Check with John Mashl on this list for more details. You can select among a number of different broadband speeds up to 500Mb/sec. What kind of bandwidth does he need? OMG On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:04 PM, brian lewis wrote: > If he works from home, he should purchase internet from 2 different ISP's > for redundancy. I'd go with Grande and Time warner if possible. AT&T's > u-verse is garbage. > > -b > > Jennie Haywood wrote: > >> I have a friend who is moving back to Tx (Schertz in particular). Any >> opinions on the ISP options for that area? >> He works from home so whoever it is - they MUST be reliable. So I'm >> thinking that cuts Time-warner out of the picture... I had the one weird >> problem (rogue DHCP server that they would not admit to) with Grande but >> no >> problems since. He's thinking that he'll need to do DSL. >> >> Any thoughts?? >> >> Jennie >> >> >> >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From othniel at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 03:05:22 2008 From: othniel at gmail.com (Othniel Graichen) Date: Thu Dec 25 03:05:25 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ISP options in Schertz? In-Reply-To: <4952F84C.5050209@astr0.org> References: <4952F84C.5050209@astr0.org> Message-ID: <24b598f60812250105h4bdf8b64wf60e1821ddcceba1@mail.gmail.com> Your friend can do wireless since all the cell phone towers in that area are equipped. Check with John Mashl on this list for more details. You can select among a number of different broadband speeds up to 500Mb/sec. What kind of bandwidth does he need? OMG On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:04 PM, brian lewis wrote: > If he works from home, he should purchase internet from 2 different ISP's > for redundancy. I'd go with Grande and Time warner if possible. AT&T's > u-verse is garbage. > > -b > > Jennie Haywood wrote: > >> I have a friend who is moving back to Tx (Schertz in particular). Any >> opinions on the ISP options for that area? >> He works from home so whoever it is - they MUST be reliable. So I'm >> thinking that cuts Time-warner out of the picture... I had the one weird >> problem (rogue DHCP server that they would not admit to) with Grande but >> no >> problems since. He's thinking that he'll need to do DSL. >> >> Any thoughts?? >> >> Jennie >> >> >> >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From w5omr at att.net Thu Dec 25 04:31:02 2008 From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Thu Dec 25 04:31:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Best Wishes In-Reply-To: <8c9fbbeb0812240716s1aa19b19u8ddbb5bb2999f241@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c9fbbeb0812240716s1aa19b19u8ddbb5bb2999f241@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495360E6.9000304@att.net> Jim Wells wrote: > I want to wish each & every member of SATLUG, a wonderful Holiday as well as > a safe & happy New Year! > > Jim Wells > Back atcha, Jim! Greetings from Houston! -Geoff From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 05:12:52 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Dec 25 05:12:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? In-Reply-To: References: <7f9598380812240727r459d5ed0ob0c5c5adb4a9b96a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49536AB4.5070409@gmail.com> Ernest De Leon wrote: > Now that is a great idea. Having an engineering competition would be awesome > for the kids and the field. Breaking it into various events like structural > engineering, electrical engineering and mechanical engineering would be > great. Find a way to throw in 'green' building/power and now you have the > greatest competition ever staged. I would be game to help organize/sponsor > something like that. > I'd be delighted to help with such a project! Ed > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Nate Turnage wrote: > > >> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:27 AM, D Villarreal wrote: >> >> >>> I'd like to see an engineering contest where the winner is the one who >>> >> can >> >>> best replicate the Great Pyramid of Giza [to scale], or even explain how >>> >> it >> >>> was done authoritatively. >>> >> >> Hundreds of very intelligent people have long debated the hows and whys and >> whats of the Great Pyramid in Giza and nothing has been decided >> authoritatively through that discourse, so I don't think an engineering >> competition in San Antonio is going to unravel that mystery either. I think >> a student engineering competition might be cool to do in this city to see >> how far kids can get into these subjects, though. >> >> From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 08:56:51 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Dec 25 08:56:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jennie, Isp's in Schertz Message-ID: <7e4994a70812250656n4c273858q4a33174cd5ae4c58@mail.gmail.com> Jennie, I live in Cibolo and mom lives in Schertz. Depends on where he's moving in Schertz as to what his options will be. Cable, U Verse etc are NOT available in my area or Mom's in Schertz. In Mom's area DSL isn't available either..only dial up.. In my area, my only option is ATT DSL. As for reliability, I've never had it go down....but I'm not a big fan of the company itself (spying on us and data mining finished me with them...well, they don't support Linux either...but the dsl works fine with them despite themselves!). Your friend can do "naked DSL" if he/she doesn't want have a landline too...ATT offers that too. ATT and Time Warner have told me neither of them plan to expand services to my area or Mom's..so there are places in Schertz where no cable or dsl anything are available. cheryl From satlug at net153.net Thu Dec 25 09:32:30 2008 From: satlug at net153.net (Samuel Leon) Date: Thu Dec 25 09:32:42 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ISP options in Schertz? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4953A78E.7070004@net153.net> Jennie Haywood wrote: > I have a friend who is moving back to Tx (Schertz in particular). Any > opinions on the ISP options for that area? > He works from home so whoever it is - they MUST be reliable. So I'm > thinking that cuts Time-warner out of the picture... I had the one weird > problem (rogue DHCP server that they would not admit to) with Grande but no > problems since. He's thinking that he'll need to do DSL. > > Any thoughts?? > > Jennie I live down the street in Marion. I have been there for 2 years. I have been using time warner and road runner there ever since. I have not had very many problems. I would recommend their business class offering so that when you do have a problem they will be quicker to fix it. I think most of the problems related to service have more to do with the quality of the lines in the city than the ISP. You could get service with a second ISP for redundancy. Honestly if it was me I would be cheap and just stick with one ISP and if there are ever any problems I would just go to Starbucks or McDonald's and use the free wifi Sam From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 09:41:41 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Dec 25 09:41:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Odd problem w/apache server Message-ID: <136874.129.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'm tryin to get a file to a friend of mine. Its a 8gig file so I put it on my server. He gets permissions issue accessing the file. The owner/group is the same like the other files in that directory (You can list the directory contents). But when you list the directory from a browser, that 8 gig file does not show up. I even chmod 777 on the file. Any ideas? -Alex From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 09:54:24 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Thu Dec 25 09:54:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: ISP options in Schertz? In-Reply-To: <4953A78E.7070004@net153.net> Message-ID: <60725.66680.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Samuel Leon wrote: > From: Samuel Leon > > I live down the street in Marion. I have been there for 2 > years. I have been using time warner and road runner there > ever since. I have not had very many problems. I would I have the "faster" version of RR for the house. I run my own webserver and hardly have any connectivity issues unless there is a power failure. -=Alex From wn5pmr at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 10:26:09 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Thu Dec 25 10:26:31 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 Message-ID: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than ours here in Spokane, WA About 3 feet of snow in the last week. Mike WN5PMR From afcasta at satx.rr.com Thu Dec 25 10:30:14 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Dec 25 10:30:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? In-Reply-To: <473290.70135.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <473290.70135.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1230222614.31395.11.camel@phrodo> There was some kind of gelatinous goo that came out of the bubble memory cartidges in my GRiD Compass, but I don't know what that goo was. I earned a computer science degree during my 22 year career as a linguist, but if I had an engineering degree maybe I'd be qualified to answer that. Maybe it was crab ghosts. Al Casatanoli On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 10:24 -0800, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > Now that we're discussing the crab's immortality, while talking to my bro-in-law, we were talking about whether particular gadgets had micro-disks or solid-state ones, then I started wondering whether micro-disks, floppies and all other disks were liquid/gel based or not. > > > oh well!!! Happy Holidays. > esv. > > -------------------------------------- > > Support the troops, bring them home. > > http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 > > > --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Ernest De Leon wrote: > > > From: Ernest De Leon > > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? > > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 11:19 AM > > Now that is a great idea. Having an engineering competition > > would be awesome > > for the kids and the field. Breaking it into various events > > like structural > > engineering, electrical engineering and mechanical > > engineering would be > > great. Find a way to throw in 'green' > > building/power and now you have the > > greatest competition ever staged. I would be game to help > > organize/sponsor > > something like that. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Nate Turnage > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:27 AM, D Villarreal > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'd like to see an engineering contest where > > the winner is the one who > > > can > > > > best replicate the Great Pyramid of Giza [to > > scale], or even explain how > > > it > > > > was done authoritatively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hundreds of very intelligent people have long debated > > the hows and whys and > > > whats of the Great Pyramid in Giza and nothing has > > been decided > > > authoritatively through that discourse, so I don't > > think an engineering > > > competition in San Antonio is going to unravel that > > mystery either. I think > > > a student engineering competition might be cool to do > > in this city to see > > > how far kids can get into these subjects, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Nate > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SATLUG mailing list > > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > From afcasta at satx.rr.com Thu Dec 25 10:33:58 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Thu Dec 25 10:34:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Odd problem w/apache server In-Reply-To: <136874.129.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <136874.129.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1230222838.31395.12.camel@phrodo> Is your friend running a 32 bit filesystem that will not accept files over 4GB? That sometime shows up as a permissions problem. Al On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 07:41 -0800, Alex Bartonek wrote: > I'm tryin to get a file to a friend of mine. Its a 8gig file so I put it on my server. He gets permissions issue accessing the file. The owner/group is the same like the other files in that directory (You can list the directory contents). But when you list the directory from a browser, that 8 gig file does not show up. I even chmod 777 on the file. > > Any ideas? > > > -Alex > > > > From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Thu Dec 25 11:13:34 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Thu Dec 25 11:13:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> mike wrote: > Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than ours > here in Spokane, WA > About 3 feet of snow in the last week. > > Mike WN5PMR > What's wrong with 3 feet of snow? Peace, Dennis, KB5VYA From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Thu Dec 25 11:59:10 2008 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Thu Dec 25 12:01:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > mike wrote: >> Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than >> ours here in Spokane, WA >> About 3 feet of snow in the last week. >> >> Mike WN5PMR >> > > What's wrong with 3 feet of snow? Peace, Dennis, KB5VYA I think he's just trying to make those of us in the south jealous I miss snow. Charlie From hc at lookcee.com Thu Dec 25 12:08:00 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Thu Dec 25 12:08:02 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <4953CC00.4010504@lookcee.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > mike wrote: >> Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than >> ours here in Spokane, WA >> About 3 feet of snow in the last week. >> >> Mike WN5PMR >> > > What's wrong with 3 feet of snow? Peace, Dennis, KB5VYA Approximately 36 inches While being peaceful herb From rsuberg at satx.rr.com Thu Dec 25 12:09:59 2008 From: rsuberg at satx.rr.com (rsuberg@satx.rr.com) Date: Thu Dec 25 12:10:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . In-Reply-To: <200812241946.mBOJkKi8029687@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <20081225181000.7HBFT.388948.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Another possibility to bear in mind that I haven't seen mentioned is possibly a corrupt file. I saw that you copied it from cd to hd, but it doesn't look like that made a difference. The file itself might have been bad on the cd - so copying it off you will still get the bad data. The suggestion of rendering that page to PostScript and trying to print it that way should answer that question. (You might just print that page manually, both sides, and then let the other pages go the way you have. Insert the lonely page at the correct spot and you have your book.) However, I have seen where a page displays ok but you have one monster of a time trying to print it out. Doesn't even have to be pdf. I get calls like that all the time and some of the users insist there is something wrong with the printer because it will print fine on another printer or that same file printed ok before. That little brother printer you said you had is a relatively small design and might just be getting confused. Richard ---- Borries Demeler wrote: > > I tried to read the log but the error occured back on Dec 14th and my > > var/log only goes back to the 20th .. Do you know if there is a way to > > see the 14th or is it gone? > > I am not sure what the log would tell you - I would just try to regenerate > the problem. Have you tried the approach I suggested earlier of going over > postscript files first? > > -b. > > > > >> first then reset them before the next try > > >> Thanks to all & Merry Christmas > > >> herb > > >> -- > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SATLUG mailing list > > >> SATLUG@satlug.org > > >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From wn5pmr at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 12:17:22 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Thu Dec 25 12:17:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <4953CE32.7020708@gmail.com> Dennis Myhand wrote: > mike wrote: >> Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than >> ours here in Spokane, WA >> About 3 feet of snow in the last week. >> >> Mike WN5PMR >> > > What's wrong with 3 feet of snow? Peace, Dennis, KB5VYA Nothing much Dennis, just way out of the norm, even for Spokane. Especially in a week period. Mike From w5omr at att.net Thu Dec 25 12:36:17 2008 From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Thu Dec 25 12:36:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4953D2A1.2010700@att.net> Charles Hogan wrote: > Dennis Myhand wrote: >> mike wrote: >>> Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than >>> ours here in Spokane, WA >>> About 3 feet of snow in the last week. >>> >>> Mike WN5PMR >>> >> >> What's wrong with 3 feet of snow? Peace, Dennis, KB5VYA > > I think he's just trying to make those of us in the south jealous I > miss snow. You can HAVE it! We had about an inch and a half that stuck to the ground here in North Houston (Baja Spring) a couple of weeks ago. You think the traffic is bad in Houston, on a -good- day? Try with rain tossed in. Heaven forbid it ever snow here, again. These idiots would KILL themselves! 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR (/5 Sprinnnnnng) From hc at lookcee.com Thu Dec 25 12:53:27 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Thu Dec 25 12:53:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT . In-Reply-To: <20081225181000.7HBFT.388948.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> References: <20081225181000.7HBFT.388948.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: <4953D6A7.4020804@lookcee.com> rsuberg@satx.rr.com wrote: > Another possibility to bear in mind that I haven't seen mentioned is possibly a corrupt file. I saw that you copied it from cd to hd, but it doesn't look like that made a difference. The file itself might have been bad on the cd - so copying it off you will still get the bad data. The suggestion of rendering that page to PostScript and trying to print it that way should answer that question. (You might just print that page manually, both sides, and then let the other pages go the way you have. Insert the lonely page at the correct spot and you have your book.) However, I have seen where a page displays ok but you have one monster of a time trying to print it out. Doesn't even have to be pdf. > > I get calls like that all the time and some of the users insist there is something wrong with the printer because it will print fine on another printer or that same file printed ok before. That little brother printer you said you had is a relatively small design and might just be getting confused. > > Thanks Richard, I hope to get back to it later today or tomorrow. I am keen to know why the printer inserted those 3 blanks and when I turned the stack over , the printer knew to pass those blanks. Looking at the .PDF printed to the screen it shows no break between pg 22 and pg 23 at all and both pages print fully to screen. I love mysteries that do not really interfere with what I am working on giving plenty of time to think on them. I can afford the paper and the toner so gonna try to reprint the entire book as a dual job, The other mystery is once it has rebooted the system it remembers and repeats the boot when the file is opened in the new session and the print command given on any selected page. I will try the workroun also and post the results. herb > > > ---- Borries Demeler wrote: > >>> I tried to read the log but the error occured back on Dec 14th and my >>> var/log only goes back to the 20th .. Do you know if there is a way to >>> see the 14th or is it gone? >>> >> I am not sure what the log would tell you - I would just try to regenerate >> the problem. Have you tried the approach I suggested earlier of going over >> postscript files first? >> >> -b. >> >>>>> first then reset them before the next try >>>>> Thanks to all & Merry Christmas >>>>> herb >>>>> -- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SATLUG mailing list >>>>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>>>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>>>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SATLUG mailing list >>> SATLUG@satlug.org >>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >>> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >>> >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > From techgeeks at aaronhackney.com Thu Dec 25 13:03:05 2008 From: techgeeks at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Thu Dec 25 13:03:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4953D8E9.7080101@aaronhackney.com> mike wrote: > Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than > ours here in Spokane, WA > About 3 feet of snow in the last week. > > Mike WN5PMR The wind chill here in Central Illinois has been around -20F this week. I'll be glad to get back to San Antonio myself! Merry Christmas to you too! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Hackney (210) 325-2196 Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com As this e-mail address is not checked! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hc at lookcee.com Thu Dec 25 13:53:04 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Thu Dec 25 13:53:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953D2A1.2010700@att.net> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> <4953D2A1.2010700@att.net> Message-ID: <4953E4A0.307@lookcee.com> Geoff/W5OMR wrote: > Charles Hogan wrote: >> Dennis Myhand wrote: >>> mike wrote: >>>> Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than >>>> ours here in Spokane, WA >>>> About 3 feet of snow in the last week. >>>> >>>> Mike WN5PMR >>>> >>> >>> What's wrong with 3 feet of snow? Peace, Dennis, KB5VYA >> >> I think he's just trying to make those of us in the south jealous I >> miss snow. > > You can HAVE it! We had about an inch and a half that stuck to the > ground here in North Houston (Baja Spring) a couple of weeks ago. > > You think the traffic is bad in Houston, on a -good- day? Try with > rain tossed in. Heaven forbid it ever snow here, again. These idiots > would KILL themselves! Hey Geoff, remember the Feb. ice storm in 1989 when in 3 days there were over 2,000 recorded auto accidents in the Houston area. I remember living in Todd Mission and that it got down to 5f for couple days and was below freezing several days. I don't recall the number of deaths but was quiet a few. Here in Bedias (90mi N of Houston) we got 3" in this last snow and it lasted 1/2 a day. herb From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 14:09:28 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Thu Dec 25 14:09:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Operating Systems and Airlines | Really Funny Clean Jokes and Humor Message-ID: <4953E878.5000804@gmail.com> Happy Holidays to all, and some humor to gird us for the new year! http://www.tensionnot.com/jokes/operating_systems_and_airlines Cheers! Ed From w5omr at att.net Thu Dec 25 15:28:57 2008 From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Thu Dec 25 15:29:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953E4A0.307@lookcee.com> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> <4953D2A1.2010700@att.net> <4953E4A0.307@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <4953FB19.9020700@att.net> herb cee wrote: >> >> You can HAVE it! We had about an inch and a half that stuck to the >> ground here in North Houston (Baja Spring) a couple of weeks ago. >> >> You think the traffic is bad in Houston, on a -good- day? Try with >> rain tossed in. Heaven forbid it ever snow here, again. These >> idiots would KILL themselves! > > > Hey Geoff, remember the Feb. ice storm in 1989 when in 3 days there > were over 2,000 recorded auto accidents in the Houston area. I > remember living in Todd Mission and that it got down to 5f for couple > days and was below freezing several days. I don't recall the number of > deaths but was quiet a few. > > Here in Bedias (90mi N of Houston) we got 3" in this last snow and it > lasted 1/2 a day. > herb All this time, Herb, I thought you were in the San Antonio area. I was, until mid-August of this year. Had been there for 49 years and 8 and a half months (minus 4.5 years in SoCal, and 6 mos in Pasa-GET-DOWN-dena, Texas) Appears as if you're recovering well from your heart attack. I hope that healing trend continues. Wasn't here in 89 for the freeze. I was in San Antonio in Feb of 1984, when it was 9f for a high, for 4 days. Pipes froze, water was everywhere, the city was shut down and (as they say in Southern Louisiana) it wuddn't nuttin' nice! -Geoff From wn5pmr at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 17:08:25 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Thu Dec 25 17:08:47 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <49541269.8000504@gmail.com> Charles Hogan wrote: > Dennis Myhand wrote: >> mike wrote: >>> Very best to all my LUG friends. Hope your weather is better than >>> ours here in Spokane, WA >>> About 3 feet of snow in the last week. >>> >>> Mike WN5PMR >>> >> >> What's wrong with 3 feet of snow? Peace, Dennis, KB5VYA > > I think he's just trying to make those of us in the south jealous I > miss snow. > > Charlie Charlie and any of you other */Jealous/*" southern types. We have plenty of the white stuff to spare. Simply mail me a sponge, and return postage, and I will sop up all the sponge can hold and return it in the next out going mail. Course I can make no guarantee as to the condition it will be in when it gets back down south. Mike From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 22:59:20 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Thu Dec 25 22:59:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Mike in Spokane Message-ID: <7e4994a70812252059kf904890u2ef0160db3298a8c@mail.gmail.com> Too bad the weather sucks up there this year Mike. We have 90 deg with 80% humidity here today...fog in the am again...cool (not cold) front coming in again Saturday night...,no winter again this year...MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!! cheryl From wn5pmr at gmail.com Thu Dec 25 23:13:27 2008 From: wn5pmr at gmail.com (mike) Date: Thu Dec 25 23:13:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Mike in Spokane In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70812252059kf904890u2ef0160db3298a8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70812252059kf904890u2ef0160db3298a8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495467F7.7030908@gmail.com> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Too bad the weather sucks up there this year Mike. We have 90 deg with 80% > humidity here today...fog in the am again...cool (not cold) front coming in > again Saturday night...,no winter again this year...MERRY CHRISTMAS TO > ALL!! cheryl > And thats one reason, Cheryl. that I will no longer live in my native state of Texas. Even though I was born and raised in SA I have lived in other /cooler /climes for over half my life. And I expect cold @ Christmas not 90 with 80% RH. I want seasons that happen and hopefully match the calender. People can and do change. My Mom, who just passed away this past Sept. was from Linton Ind. how ever she had lived, except for 5 years in central WA, in SA since 1948. When it got below 80 she started getting chilly. Each to his or her own. Glad that you enjoyed the day and best wishes for a good & hot 2009 for you. Mike WN5PMR From hc at lookcee.com Thu Dec 25 23:14:08 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Thu Dec 25 23:14:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Printing Mystery Might be OT** RESOLVED In-Reply-To: <200812232138.mBNLcmWk020640@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812232138.mBNLcmWk020640@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <49546820.7080900@lookcee.com> Borries Demeler wrote: >> My first ? is why did the printer command reboot my entire machine. >> Second if I duplicate this failure where do I look for clues about why >> the failure panicked the OS?? What CLI code do I use? I apologize for >> the verbosity but it's a full story and why I can't do much with Google. >> I hope at least the story is interesting. >> >> >> >> The rig is a P-4 with AMD 1.8CPU, 1.4G-SDRAM266 80G HD Printer is >> Brother-2140 Laser, near new. OS is Server Ubuntu 8.04 fully updated >> using CUPS and the driver was automatically installed when the printer >> was detected by the sys USB, Has printed perfectly with no prior problems. >> >> >> >> Background here is my friend/neighbor and I share research interest in >> sustainable farming and her Win-XP got zapped and so she asked if i >> would copy my file for her since I have a portable 60G HD on a USB box >> so I copied all the manuals/.pdf files and took it to her and they >> loaded off fine. So she tried to load a new E-book she acquired from the >> CD to my HD but it refused to copy, no complaint just ignoring the copy >> command ala-Windows, anyway, I said I would just copy directly from the >> disk and return it. That worked fine and I don't recall any problem at >> the time, the file is sitting on this rig now. I returned the CD. My >> friend knew that I had just bought the new Laser printer and ask if I >> would print the book for her and she would pay for paper and ink. The >> following error sequence and my wriggles occurred. >> >> >> >> This book title is "The Complete Book of Self-Sufficiency" it's filled >> with illustrations on a .PDF file so I opened it with Ubuntu 8.04 >> Document Viewer and since book is 258 8x11 pages decided to print it on >> both side of the paper. I ran the even pages first and it printed all >> the pages great. >> >> >> >> I let the paper cool for a bit then fed the stack back in for the odd >> pages and was fine until I got a paper jam at pg 247 so final good page >> was 246. so all I needed was to redo those final 6 sheets I removed the >> jam printed a test page and reset the print to print just the evens and >> clicked print and got a OS crash. Total reboot. >> >> >> >> Now thinking I had just printed OK test page ??? I tried printing from >> another file worked fine 100%, then selected single pg from the book, >> got booted. I remembered reading where someone had put a copy-write >> program embedded into the CD that punished somewhat like that, and that >> the workroun was to copy the file giving it a new name. >> >> >> >> So I copied to diff dir and selected the 6 even pages and voila it >> printed them but when I turned the stack over to print odd 6 it printed >> 1 sheet and stopped and when I tried to restart printing, got booted. I >> renamed the file asked again for single pg., got booted. >> >> >> >> LOL ... I gave the slightly short book to my friend but I do want to >> retry to print those missing pages and to capture why the sys boot is >> happening. Can someone please guide me in my effort? I am ready to copy >> the .PDF to a diff directory and I am sure it will allow me to print the >> entire file but I will choose just the final pages and then the failure >> will occur when I try to print the reverse sides. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> herb >> >> >> >> >> > > I think the key is that it does this only on this one page (247). > Are you doing this as root, or is the print command running as root? > I agree with you this should never happen. It is possible that the > file is somehow corrupted and sends an unhandled exception. > > I would try this: > > As a regular user, not root, open the document and print it to a postscript > file. Printing "To File" should do that. Then open the postscript file with > ghostview and see if it displays p247 correctly. If so, try again to print it, > but this time from the postscript viewer. See if this workaround does the > trick. > > Last resort would be to load this page from the pdf file into gimp and > turn it into a bitmapped file for printing. > > Good luck, -b. > Well I carefully prepared to capture data that would answer my 2 questions and they are ... ta tah .. pilot error and pilot error. I just printed the entire book with no problems. Before printing I decided to read Cups for this new Brother HL- 2140 and found the setup to be diff from the old HL-720 and I made those changes. I am going to accept that as my error and I apologize for wasting your time along with lots of mine. I did learn some stuff and I am going to try the file conversion to see if that would be a better way to go since I would be able to reformat a doc easier than most .PDF will allow. Thanks herb From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 01:10:57 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Dec 26 01:10:58 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT: haiku error messages Message-ID: <49548381.8040608@gmail.com> http://www.strangeplaces.net/weirdthings/haiku.html Cheers; Ed From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 03:53:11 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Fri Dec 26 03:53:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4953FB19.9020700@att.net> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> <4953D2A1.2010700@att.net> <4953E4A0.307@lookcee.com> <4953FB19.9020700@att.net> Message-ID: <4954A987.5040206@gmail.com> Geoff/W5OMR wrote: > herb cee wrote: >>> >>> You can HAVE it! We had about an inch and a half that stuck to the >>> ground here in North Houston (Baja Spring) a couple of weeks ago. >>> >>> You think the traffic is bad in Houston, on a -good- day? Try with >>> rain tossed in. Heaven forbid it ever snow here, again. These >>> idiots would KILL themselves! >> >> >> Hey Geoff, remember the Feb. ice storm in 1989 when in 3 days there >> were over 2,000 recorded auto accidents in the Houston area. I >> remember living in Todd Mission and that it got down to 5f for couple >> days and was below freezing several days. I don't recall the number >> of deaths but was quiet a few. >> >> Here in Bedias (90mi N of Houston) we got 3" in this last snow and it >> lasted 1/2 a day. >> herb > > > All this time, Herb, I thought you were in the San Antonio area. I > was, until mid-August of this year. Had been there for 49 years and 8 > and a half months (minus 4.5 years in SoCal, and 6 mos in > Pasa-GET-DOWN-dena, Texas) > > Appears as if you're recovering well from your heart attack. I hope > that healing trend continues. > > Wasn't here in 89 for the freeze. I was in San Antonio in Feb of > 1984, when it was 9f for a high, for 4 days. Pipes froze, water was > everywhere, the city was shut down and (as they say in Southern > Louisiana) it wuddn't nuttin' nice! > > -Geoff And nobody mentions the San Antonio snows of January 1985, where we had 18" on e Saturday, and 11" the next. The lawn was really nice that summer... Cheers; Ed From e2eiod at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 04:11:46 2008 From: e2eiod at gmail.com (Robert Pearson) Date: Fri Dec 26 04:11:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? In-Reply-To: <1230222614.31395.11.camel@phrodo> References: <473290.70135.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1230222614.31395.11.camel@phrodo> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Al Castanoli wrote: > There was some kind of gelatinous goo that came out of the bubble memory > cartidges in my GRiD Compass, but I don't know what that goo was. I > earned a computer science degree during my 22 year career as a linguist, > but if I had an engineering degree maybe I'd be qualified to answer > that. Maybe it was crab ghosts. > > Al Casatanoli > When I called GRiD about that gelatinous goo they said it was a "No Charge" feature. > On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 10:24 -0800, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: >> Now that we're discussing the crab's immortality, while talking to my bro-in-law, we were talking about whether particular gadgets had micro-disks or solid-state ones, then I started wondering whether micro-disks, floppies and all other disks were liquid/gel based or not. >> >> >> oh well!!! Happy Holidays. >> esv. >> >> -------------------------------------- >> >> Support the troops, bring them home. >> >> http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2924 >> >> >> --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Ernest De Leon wrote: >> >> > From: Ernest De Leon >> > Subject: Re: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? >> > To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 11:19 AM >> > Now that is a great idea. Having an engineering competition >> > would be awesome >> > for the kids and the field. Breaking it into various events >> > like structural >> > engineering, electrical engineering and mechanical >> > engineering would be >> > great. Find a way to throw in 'green' >> > building/power and now you have the >> > greatest competition ever staged. I would be game to help >> > organize/sponsor >> > something like that. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Nate Turnage >> > wrote: >> > >> > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:27 AM, D Villarreal >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > I'd like to see an engineering contest where >> > the winner is the one who >> > > can >> > > > best replicate the Great Pyramid of Giza [to >> > scale], or even explain how >> > > it >> > > > was done authoritatively. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hundreds of very intelligent people have long debated >> > the hows and whys and >> > > whats of the Great Pyramid in Giza and nothing has >> > been decided >> > > authoritatively through that discourse, so I don't >> > think an engineering >> > > competition in San Antonio is going to unravel that >> > mystery either. I think >> > > a student engineering competition might be cool to do >> > in this city to see >> > > how far kids can get into these subjects, though. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ~Nate >> > > -- >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SATLUG mailing list >> > > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> > unsubscribe >> > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> > > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SATLUG mailing list >> > SATLUG@satlug.org >> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to >> > unsubscribe >> > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > From w5omr at att.net Fri Dec 26 05:25:42 2008 From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Fri Dec 26 05:25:52 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Mike in Spokane In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70812252059kf904890u2ef0160db3298a8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70812252059kf904890u2ef0160db3298a8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4954BF36.7010802@att.net> Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Too bad the weather sucks up there this year Mike. We have 90 deg with 80% > humidity here today...fog in the am again...cool (not cold) front coming in > again Saturday night...,no winter again this year...MERRY CHRISTMAS TO > ALL!! cheryl > it's gotta be -at least- 36 degrees F, or colder. to snow. There were reports of snow in the San Antonio area. And, this was before Christmas. There's still the whole of January and February to go! How much more winter do you want? ;-) -Geoff From w5omr at att.net Fri Dec 26 05:34:46 2008 From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Fri Dec 26 05:34:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4954A987.5040206@gmail.com> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> <4953D2A1.2010700@att.net> <4953E4A0.307@lookcee.com> <4953FB19.9020700@att.net> <4954A987.5040206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4954C156.3040302@att.net> ed wrote: > > > Geoff/W5OMR wrote: >> >> Wasn't here in Houston in 89 for the freeze. I was in San Antonio in >> Feb of 1984, when it was 9f for a high, for 4 days. Pipes froze, >> water was everywhere, the city was shut down and (as they say in >> Southern Louisiana) it wuddn't nuttin' nice! >> >> -Geoff > And nobody mentions the San Antonio snows of January 1985, where we > had 18" on e Saturday, and 11" the next. The lawn was really nice that > summer... I was on the south east side of San Antonio in Highland Hills... my neighbor and I walked around, marveling in it all. We got into snow-ball fight, after snow-ball fight. Then, we got back to the house, got some coffee, and hear a 'noise' Bang! Clang! k-e-e-e-r-r-r-u-u-u-n-n-c-h.... We looked at each other, we had a knowing grin, then filled a thermos each, got some lawn chairs and went to the top of the hill to watch the idiots in San Antonio try to stop their vehicles down at the bottom of a 40 degree hill... covered in snow. Called a wrecker friend of ours, and he just cleaned up that night. -Geoff From satlug at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 26 13:58:01 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Fri Dec 26 13:58:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Back to Basics Message-ID: Got another hard drive at the last computer show to upgrade an older box that had been running well, but needed more room for CD and DVD images. (The experienced will recognize the foreshadowing of impending doom.) Did the usual rolling upgrade: tested new drive with smartmon tools, copied the existing data partition (80G) to the new disk, the existing / and /home (20G) to the previous 80G, made sure the jumpers were correct, and fired it up. Oopsie! Got out the Debian rescue disk and reinstalled GRUB to the MBR. Success! System is happy with much more room to play in. Download a few more disk images for the SATLUG booth. Next morning, SETI@home monitor says it isn't there anymore. Won't respond to SSH remote login. Walk out to the garage and see the dreaded yellow light stuck on solid. Hard drive I/O failure - big time. Push reset and Linux can't mount the new drive. Power off, unplug and check, replug. Drive comes up, fsck good, all happy again. (Yeah, sure.) Next morning - deja vu all over again. Go through the dance to bring it back up and begin planning how to migrate back to the previous drives. Finally think about the cable I've been pulling and pushing for so many days. Swap the IDE cable for another that happens to be nearby. So far so good. It's now been enough days that I think the problem is fixed. For now, anyway. The moral of the story: Check the basics, especially the cheap basics, first. Cables are cheap, and prone to failure in strange ways. May your new year be a happy one. --Don -- Darkness and stillness, * /"\ thought fades as vapor. * \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Tanj! The UPS has died! * X Against HTML Mail -- Dvon, 2002 * / \ From scs at worldlinkisp.com Fri Dec 26 18:46:15 2008 From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (scs@worldlinkisp.com) Date: Fri Dec 26 18:46:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Back to Basics Message-ID: <4da4846d729245758b01236e59a3bb72.scs@worldlinkisp.com> >The moral of the story: Check the basics, especially the cheap basics, >first. Cables are cheap, and prone to failure in strange ways. ----------------------------------------------------------- Been there, done that, thanks for sharing and reminding us. Lou From siffland at nerdshack.com Fri Dec 26 19:03:44 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Fri Dec 26 19:03:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Free Stuff Message-ID: <3ae131d00812261703t1a474694p976d3338d516dfa0@mail.gmail.com> My new years resolution (well one of them) is to get rid of a bunch of stuff taking up space so i have a pile of stuff headed for the trash can, so if anyone wants it feel free to respond. I have 1 genuine Windows NT server with CD-KEY and a Windows ME upgrade disk with CD-KEY and 1 genuine Workstation NT install disk with CD-KEY. I don't know if anyone actually uses them but they are free if you want them. I also have 2 genuine windows 95 install disks, i do not however have the CD-KEYS (long since thrown away). I also have a Linux Mandrake Operating System 7.0 deluxe disk set. All five disks are included and have only been used a few times. I don't know why anyone would want this is it from 2000, but someone might collect this stuff. I have 1 HP LPR server that must go. It has 2 450MHZ processors and 1Gb of 100MHZ HP ECC RAM. It has 2 9GB 10k cheetah SCSI drives. This is a rack mountable server and is 2U height and full length. It works great but i have no use for it, so it must go. Also i have a 500 or 600 MHz via c3 processor in a plain case and a generic motherboard. It boots and works, i use to have monowall on it. It has no hard drive or CD-ROM, but i really need to get rid of it. Anyone want anything it is all free to good homes. Also just to make it clear the OS disks are actual Microsoft discs, they are NOT burnt (i guess it would not make sense to give away burnt discs you don't want, I just wanted to make that clear in case anyone really has a want/need for them). The Mandrake ones are also from mandrakesoft. Sean From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 20:26:17 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Dec 26 20:26:19 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] mike in spokane Message-ID: <7e4994a70812261826j10438c77xdc5531d587ed50ca@mail.gmail.com> You so lucky to be out of this heat...When I was a kid I lived up in that area too! Loved it! Man, I miss having winters so much! Wish I could afford to move...maybe back to Colorado even...I know my dogs would love the snow too and the cooler weather where they could actually spend some time outdoors... Sorry I had a typo on the temp here...it's in the 80's not 90's...cheryl From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 20:34:16 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Fri Dec 26 20:34:17 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SA winter Geoff Message-ID: <7e4994a70812261834s16831b45q95f4f7035a93b6c2@mail.gmail.com> Geoff..I want a real winter for once!!! Like we used to have...I saw some snow flakes, wet ones before xmas here, had some sleet and ice too..but want some serious cold and a bit more snow would be nice. Was in Austin when the BIG storm hit SA in 85...we only got 6" in Austin but SA looked like Colorado! I love the beauty of snow...everything white..and I love the cold weather...but 1 season annually would be awfully nice here too...:o) cheryl From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 20:41:12 2008 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Fri Dec 26 20:41:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 64-bit hardware support linux vs windows Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just wanted to say that my webcam and wireless usb network card are working out of the box in Ubuntu 8.10. And they do not work in 64-bit xp, so who says Windows has better hardware support? Even windows will search online and can't find drivers for my hardware. - -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://getfiregpg.org iEYEARECAAYFAklVlckACgkQxp8Ys+E7CQlLawCdGVEBIcLsjLQaTlCfHhz6lXAC 12AAn1lf0d2xHDSKtOMJVhHMD41oXrZs =h+yR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jehaywood at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 21:54:39 2008 From: jehaywood at gmail.com (Jennie Haywood) Date: Fri Dec 26 21:54:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SA winter Geoff In-Reply-To: <7e4994a70812261834s16831b45q95f4f7035a93b6c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e4994a70812261834s16831b45q95f4f7035a93b6c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ok let's also remember some of the BAD things about the great white north... I've lived in Chicago, Ill and Madison, Wisconsin. I had a convertible one of the times I lived in Chicago (I've lived there on 3 different occasions) - and it sucked when I got caught in a white out on 294 trying to get to 88 (traveling from O'hare to Naperville) snow storms don't go well with convertibles. Once it turns to black slush and is hanging off the car.... it's not fun.... slipping on the sidewalks because they haven't been salted or shoveled... It's also not fun when you live on a street that the snow plows don't go down (that was the case in Madison). I used to think people up north knew how to drive on snow - but living in Chicago changed that. But the worst thing was getting up in the pitch black and coming home in pitch black because the daylight is SO short. I'll take Texas weather over the weather in Wisconsin, Illinois and California - I got to commute from San Francisco to Mt. View (caltrain to the light rail then walking the rest of the way) in those *fun* driving rain gales that they have in the bay area. There is good and bad in most places..... On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > Geoff..I want a real winter for once!!! Like we used to have...I saw some > snow flakes, wet ones before xmas here, had some sleet and ice too..but > want > some serious cold and a bit more snow would be nice. > > Was in Austin when the BIG storm hit SA in 85...we only got 6" in Austin > but > SA looked like Colorado! I love the beauty of snow...everything white..and > I love the cold weather...but 1 season annually would be awfully nice here > too...:o) cheryl > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Jennie Haywood ---- Everyone is crazy. It's just a matter of degree. -- The oak tree in your backyard is just a nut that held its ground. From techgeeks at aaronhackney.com Fri Dec 26 23:49:22 2008 From: techgeeks at aaronhackney.com (Aaron Hackney) Date: Fri Dec 26 23:49:28 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SA winter Geoff In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70812261834s16831b45q95f4f7035a93b6c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4955C1E2.90500@aaronhackney.com> Jennie Haywood wrote: > ok let's also remember some of the BAD things about the great white north... > I've lived in Chicago, Ill and Madison, Wisconsin. I had a convertible one > of the times I lived in Chicago (I've lived there on 3 different occasions) > - and it sucked when I got caught in a white out on 294 trying to get to 88 > (traveling from O'hare to Naperville) snow storms don't go well with > convertibles. Once it turns to black slush and is hanging off the car.... > it's not fun.... slipping on the sidewalks because they haven't been salted > or shoveled... It's also not fun when you live on a street that the snow > plows don't go down (that was the case in Madison). I used to think > people up north knew how to drive on snow - but living in Chicago changed > that. But the worst thing was getting up in the pitch black and coming > home in pitch black because the daylight is SO short. > I'll take Texas weather over the weather in Wisconsin, Illinois and > California - I got to commute from San Francisco to Mt. View (caltrain to > the light rail then walking the rest of the way) in those *fun* driving > rain gales that they have in the bay area. > > There is good and bad in most places..... > This ice was soooo terrible here this week. I slipped and based my @$$ tonight and was NOT happy. I'm looking forward to getting back to San Antonio this week! Jennie, I *LOVE* Madison. The Great Dane food and wheat beer!! When I looked to move out of the Central IL area, it was near the top of my list but I opted for warmer temps. I HATE winter, so I'll be the voice of dissent :) > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Cheryl Holmes wrote: > > >> Geoff..I want a real winter for once!!! Like we used to have...I saw some >> snow flakes, wet ones before xmas here, had some sleet and ice too..but >> want >> some serious cold and a bit more snow would be nice. >> >> Was in Austin when the BIG storm hit SA in 85...we only got 6" in Austin >> but >> SA looked like Colorado! I love the beauty of snow...everything white..and >> I love the cold weather...but 1 season annually would be awfully nice here >> too...:o) cheryl >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> SATLUG mailing list >> SATLUG@satlug.org >> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe >> Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) >> >> > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Hackney (210) 325-2196 Return e-mail responses to aaron@aaronhackney.com As this e-mail address is not checked! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 03:40:59 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Sat Dec 27 03:40:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] 12-25-08 In-Reply-To: <4954C156.3040302@att.net> References: <4953B421.3010504@gmail.com> <4953BF3E.5020202@suddenlink.net> <4953C9EE.8030105@futuretechsolutions.com> <4953D2A1.2010700@att.net> <4953E4A0.307@lookcee.com> <4953FB19.9020700@att.net> <4954A987.5040206@gmail.com> <4954C156.3040302@att.net> Message-ID: <4955F82B.1090805@gmail.com> Geoff/W5OMR wrote: > ed wrote: >> >> >> Geoff/W5OMR wrote: >>> >>> Wasn't here in Houston in 89 for the freeze. I was in San Antonio >>> in Feb of 1984, when it was 9f for a high, for 4 days. Pipes froze, >>> water was everywhere, the city was shut down and (as they say in >>> Southern Louisiana) it wuddn't nuttin' nice! >>> >>> -Geoff >> And nobody mentions the San Antonio snows of January 1985, where we >> had 18" on e Saturday, and 11" the next. The lawn was really nice >> that summer... > > I was on the south east side of San Antonio in Highland Hills... my > neighbor and I walked around, marveling in it all. We got into > snow-ball fight, after snow-ball fight. Then, we got back to the > house, got some coffee, and hear a 'noise' Bang! Clang! > k-e-e-e-r-r-r-u-u-u-n-n-c-h.... > We looked at each other, we had a knowing grin, then filled a thermos > each, got some lawn chairs and went to the top of the hill to watch > the idiots in San Antonio try to stop their vehicles down at the > bottom of a 40 degree hill... covered in snow. > > Called a wrecker friend of ours, and he just cleaned up that night. My daughter, who just won her MA from St Mary's last week, was 18 mo. old at the time, bundled within an inch of her life, and absolutely loving her first snow... :) Cheers; Ed From cherylholmes72 at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 05:36:23 2008 From: cherylholmes72 at gmail.com (Cheryl Holmes) Date: Sat Dec 27 05:36:24 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Jennie, SA weather Message-ID: <7e4994a70812270336p4d289a37kbdba4517122164b0@mail.gmail.com> Jennie....My sister and her family live in the Chicago weather...they're Texans and actually like the winters there...They're here for Christmas and complaining abt the heat..leaving today to go back... Been on 294 and 94 myself sooo many times on my way to Wisconsin as a child to visit grandparents and family. Mom ois from Sheboygan and I was born there too. Know all about that...the winters used to be like the Canadian winters, brutal...not so much anymore... When I lived in Boston, in the 80's it was like the worst storms there in winter...I left in 1990 and afterwards even they haven't had storms like what was normal since...global warming..:o( I just miss our good Texas winters here where it would actually be COLD for a few months, that's all...cheryl :o) From w5omr at att.net Sat Dec 27 07:01:21 2008 From: w5omr at att.net (Geoff/W5OMR) Date: Sat Dec 27 07:01:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] SA winter Geoff In-Reply-To: References: <7e4994a70812261834s16831b45q95f4f7035a93b6c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49562721.40706@att.net> Jennie Haywood wrote: > >> Geoff..I want a real winter for once!!! Like we used to have...I saw some >> snow flakes, wet ones before xmas here, had some sleet and ice too..but >> want >> some serious cold and a bit more snow would be nice. >> >> Was in Austin when the BIG storm hit SA in 85...we only got 6" in Austin >> but >> SA looked like Colorado! I love the beauty of snow...everything white..and >> I love the cold weather...but 1 season annually would be awfully nice here >> too...:o) cheryl >> -- Go -have- a real winter. go to Spokane with Mike! And, dont' get me wrong, I prefer the colder weather. I can always put more clothes on to get warm. But, when it gets hot... I can't take off enough clothes to keep from sweating! Not in South Texas! Anyway... I guess we'd best wrap this up.. it's got nothing to do with Linux, it's probably bothering some people and the holiday is over. But, this kind of banter and conversation is a -great- argument for having a 'SATLUG-ETC mailing list, again. This community -likes- to talk about stuff not quite so linux related, but rather community related, and knowing that we all share a common interest... Linux on our computers. All work and no play makes SATLUGGERS a dull bunch. -- -Geoff From dvprogs at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 12:07:34 2008 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Sun Dec 28 12:07:37 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] What does engineer mean in the State of Texas? Message-ID: <7f9598380812281007s43867c0ck416892579b252326@mail.gmail.com> I once got into a "discussion" with a "teacher" when I referred to myself a teacher, and he became upset, stating that unless I had the teaching certificate, I was not entitled to call myself a teacher. There's nothing like helping people learn and to figuratively see the light bulb go on over their heads, so what I did up to that point and continued to do afterwards until I parted company with the school system was the same, but after that "discussion" I just labeled it differently, more precisely, an instructor. Al, you of all people should know that I'm not a martinet. I don't consider it bad to strive for precision. I'm trying to teach my son to speak English properly, and I figure good speech habits start at home. He's just a little over three years old. I really don't like him watching certain tv shows, such as Dora the Explorer because that is encouraging code-switching, in my opinion. It doesn't bother me as much as it did before, but I don't want my son speaking bastardized Spanish and English. Perhaps it doesn't matter, because we don't associate with any Spanish speakers anyway, even if there were any around here. regards, Daniel Villarreal > Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:30:14 -0600 From: Al Castanoli < > afcasta@satx.rr.com>... > > There was some kind of gelatinous goo that came out of the bubble memory > cartidges in my GRiD Compass, but I don't know what that goo was. I > earned a computer science degree during my 22 year career as a linguist, > but if I had an engineering degree maybe I'd be qualified to answer > that. Maybe it was crab ghosts. > > Al Casatanoli > > On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 10:24 -0800, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > Now that we're discussing the crab's immortality, while talking to my > bro-in-law, we were talking about whether particular gadgets had micro-disks > or solid-state ones, then I started wondering whether micro-disks, floppies > and all other disks were liquid/gel based or not. > ... > From siffland at nerdshack.com Mon Dec 29 17:16:36 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Mon Dec 29 17:16:38 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... Message-ID: <3ae131d00812291516i497c72ek4349b7a07a5185bd@mail.gmail.com> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081229-microsoft-patents-granular-approach-to-computer-leasing.html HAHAHAHA...HARHARHARHAR...HEHEHEHEHE... i dunno why it is so funny, yeah i cant do the math if it is more cost effective. But i have to tell you, i have never really had a pay as you go service that was cheap..... Sean From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 18:45:03 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Mon Dec 29 18:45:06 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00812291516i497c72ek4349b7a07a5185bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00812291516i497c72ek4349b7a07a5185bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0812291645g2e36ff90ia8defb8766e556d7@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Sean I wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081229-microsoft-patents-granular-approach-to-computer-leasing.html > > > HAHAHAHA...HARHARHARHAR...HEHEHEHEHE... > > > i dunno why it is so funny, yeah i cant do the math if it is more cost > effective. But i have to tell you, i have never really had a pay as > you go service that was cheap..... > > Sean It's called the price of convenience. If you look at the M$ EA licensing scheme, you pay $400 per computer per year to run Windows XP, MS Office (basic), and Outlook. Also included in this $400 is software assurance, which allows you to upgrade to the next version of the software in 1-3 years. The really convenient part is that you only have to maintain one copy of the media, and you can install it on as many computers as you want, as long as you report the number of copies you install every month. If you go by retail pricing, you will spend about $800 every 3 years on the same software licenses. You will have to keep up with media and licenses for however many computers you happen to have. When you want to upgrade your entire site to the next version of Windows or Office, you have to spend a huge sum of cash all at once to do so. At the end of the day, the "pay as you go" EA licensing looks better on the books and creates less of a headache for IT. The downside is vendor lock-in. They typically require a 3 year commitment for such an agreement and there is a huge penalty for getting out of it. During that 3 year time period, no one in management is going to want to hear about alternatives like Linux because they have such a huge "investment" in Microsoft. The griping from accounting about the cost of the Microsoft licensing fees won't start until about 2 years into the deal when you exceed your growth projections and have to "true up" for a not-so-nominal fee. By this point so much infrastructure is dependent on the platform that it would be financial and political suicide to jump ship, so you may as well just bend over and take it for another 3 years .. I get the feeling that pay-as-you-go is a way to stick it to the people who rarely or never upgrade .. both to ensure revenue and to force upgrades (and thereby shorten the support lifetime). I'm sure there are still people out there using Windows 98, meaning that Microsoft has missed the chance to sell them at least 2 major upgrades of the OS. But if you pick up a version of Windows that costs nearly nothing on the front-end but you need to pay $0.80 for every hour you browse the Internet, you are stuck forever. And you may as well upgrade to the new version when it comes out because you're stuck paying for it anyway. Kind of fitting that this is coming out just as Microsoft is trying to kill off XP but can't because there is no viable alternative for their users. -Henry From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Mon Dec 29 18:43:17 2008 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Mon Dec 29 18:45:55 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00812291516i497c72ek4349b7a07a5185bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00812291516i497c72ek4349b7a07a5185bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49596EA5.10802@futuretechsolutions.com> Don't forget all the fun they are having with this one on slashdot: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/27/2010244 Sean I wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081229-microsoft-patents-granular-approach-to-computer-leasing.html > > > HAHAHAHA...HARHARHARHAR...HEHEHEHEHE... > > > i dunno why it is so funny, yeah i cant do the math if it is more cost > effective. But i have to tell you, i have never really had a pay as > you go service that was cheap..... > > Sean From satlug at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 29 20:11:31 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Mon Dec 29 20:11:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00812291516i497c72ek4349b7a07a5185bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00812291516i497c72ek4349b7a07a5185bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:16:36 -0600, "Sean I" wrote: >http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081229-microsoft-patents-granular-approach-to-computer-leasing.html > >i dunno why it is so funny, yeah i cant do the math if it is more cost >effective. But i have to tell you, i have never really had a pay as >you go service that was cheap..... The linked story on their PAYG patent application doesn't go far enough. Let's not forget that every new release of Microsoft software (and, to be honest, they're not alone) has required more computer power for the base configuration. Now that MS will get paid extra for letting you use more RAM, more CPU, more Graphics features, etc., you can be certain their apps will consume more resources each month, until you're paying the maximum for the same performance that started out looking so cost-effective. And since you'll be locked in to _their_ upgrade cycle, there will be no way to refuse Vista II that slows your system to a crawl unless you pay for super-premium-uber-gamer speed. And then they'll take a tip from the cable company and raise rates "because we now include more performance in the basic package". Don't forget that your search will be MSN and nobody else, because using any software or services not provided by MS is forbidden as "circumvention". Wave bye-bye to Google/Yahoo/Ask unless they agree to let MS set their rates -- plus take a piece of the action. Pretty much any non-MS company will be locked out of their previous market unless they pay the Danegeld. (Look it up, while you still can.) Think China has a repressive censorship policy? Wait until Ballmer is in charge - no more stories about BSoD, on penalty of becoming a non-person. And of course they will rent you storage for all your documents - which will magically not be accessible by any non-MS apps, because they can't guarantee security. "I owe my soul to the company store." (Sixteen Tons) Want to switch back to pay-up-front? No longer possible! Al Gore's Greenhouse Act requires all computers to have remote energy management so he can 'turn down your thermostat' to save the planet - and that's only available in MS PAYG. Huxley and Orwell were optimists. --Don "We've been there - Look it up!" -- MS Windows: The great crippler of young computers. From dvprogs at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 20:36:33 2008 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Mon Dec 29 20:36:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way Message-ID: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> Well, I'm taking a big jump and converting my wife's computer from MS WindowsXP to GNU/Linux. Main reason is that I can't afford to keep up the licensing for products I consider essential for optimal computing (for that platform, if there is such a thing). I had done this conversion for another family member and they were using OE for email. My wife uses Outhouse for email and I figured that would be the biggest hurdle. I've spent a lot of time doing the screenshots and collecting documentation, and it's even a little sparse at Novell's site, for my tastes. Where this goes, who knows ? Anyway, it's been a gradual process, but it's been a long time coming. If I could get my old Compaq to work with dual NIC's, I'd like to test the pfSense or another BSD-type firewall. I had tried NetBSD awhile back and it ran great on my old Pentium 200, and the documentation was way different from what I'm used to seeing. have fun, Daniel Villarreal From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 21:16:49 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Dec 29 21:16:51 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way In-Reply-To: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <243490.94040.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> wow, you *pay* for Microsoft licensing? I just ride the torrents for that one. lol Your wife will be fine. I migrated my dad off of Win 2k/XP because BSOD issues. He's in his upper 60's. It was a little rough at first because he had to get used to SuSE and Linux in general. Once I installed OpenOffice, got flash, Skype etc working he's been happy since. I even setup VNC so I can address any issues from my house. Not a single crash, no issues unless he loads Skpe 10 times (sigh. yea it happens). It was the best thing since the invention of the wheel he says. lol (I made that up) -Alex --- On Mon, 12/29/08, D Villarreal wrote: > From: D Villarreal > Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way > To: satlug@satlug.org > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:36 PM > Well, I'm taking a big jump and converting my wife's > computer from MS > WindowsXP to GNU/Linux. Main reason is that I can't > afford to keep up the > licensing for products I consider essential for optimal > computing (for that > platform, if there is such a thing). I had done this > conversion for another > family member and they were using OE for email. My wife > uses Outhouse for > email and I figured that would be the biggest hurdle. > I've spent a lot of > time doing the screenshots and collecting documentation, > and it's even a > little sparse at Novell's site, for my tastes. Where > this goes, who knows ? > > Anyway, it's been a gradual process, but it's been > a long time coming. > > If I could get my old Compaq to work with dual NIC's, > I'd like to test the > pfSense or another BSD-type firewall. I had tried NetBSD > awhile back and it > ran great on my old > Pentium 200, and the documentation was way different from > what I'm used to > seeing. > > have fun, > Daniel Villarreal > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 21:25:51 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Dec 29 21:25:53 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <934466.751.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Don Wright wrote: > > Don't forget that your search will be MSN and nobody > else, because using any > software or services not provided by MS is forbidden as > "circumvention". > Wave bye-bye to Google/Yahoo/Ask unless they agree to let > MS set their rates > -- plus take a piece of the action. Pretty much any non-MS > company will be > locked out of their previous market unless they pay the > Danegeld. I didnt read the whole thing but you think there will be censorship to where you can only use MSN type software? If so, I'm glad I acquire MS software without any guilt what-so-ever. What kind of BS is that? That gets me pissed off as much as MP3's with DRM. I bought my son a Ipod Nano and am going to *pay* (yea, actually I will pay) for a subscription but NOT to ITunes or any DRM type music provider. Its sad that people follow the MS gravy train because of their own stupidity and/or not wanting to test out the waters with something different. I dont want to bash MS too bad because of their poorly designed OS as it provides income for many of my friends in the IT world. Although I am glad to see more new desktops having Linux as an option. Have any of you folks on this list noticed any new faces at any SATLUG get-together? I havent been but need to go. -=Alex From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Mon Dec 29 22:06:23 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Mon Dec 29 22:06:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: <934466.751.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <934466.751.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49599E3F.1070802@grandecom.net> I say let them do it. It will only make F/OSS alternatives more viable. especially in this economic environment. Personally I think that in the end it is a bad deal for M$ customers as getting nickeled and dimmed by the hour sucks just as bad as getting mugged once. Todd From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 22:09:06 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Dec 29 22:09:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: <49599E3F.1070802@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <888790.15666.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > From: Todd W. Bucy > I say let them do it. It will only make F/OSS alternatives > more viable. especially in this economic environment. > Personally I think that in the end it is a bad deal for M$ > customers as getting nickeled and dimmed by the hour sucks > just as bad as getting mugged once. > I'd be embarrassed if I was MS. First Win ME now the highly touted Vista is replaced by Windows 7 (Vista Service Pack 2.. lol) -Alex From twistedpickles at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 22:55:44 2008 From: twistedpickles at gmail.com (Twistedpickles) Date: Mon Dec 29 22:57:12 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... Message-ID: <4959aa25.0917400a.4679.fffff2e3@mx.google.com> -----Original Message----- From: Alex Bartonek Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:09 PM To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > From: Todd W. Bucy > I say let them do it. It will only make F/OSS alternatives > more viable. especially in this economic environment. > Personally I think that in the end it is a bad deal for M$ > customers as getting nickeled and dimmed by the hour sucks > just as bad as getting mugged once. > >I'd be embarrassed if I was MS. First Win ME >now the highly touted Vista is replaced by > Windows 7 (Vista Service Pack 2.. lol) >-Alex MS has nothing to be embarrassed about. Their accomplishments far out way the bump ME was. You sound like the bitter ex wife. While Vista might not work for us it does for a great deal of others. ;) Peace Out! twistedpickles // message sent from mobile handset -- From afcasta at satx.rr.com Mon Dec 29 22:59:14 2008 From: afcasta at satx.rr.com (Al Castanoli) Date: Mon Dec 29 22:59:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way In-Reply-To: <243490.94040.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <243490.94040.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1230613154.31828.2.camel@phrodo> He he... I thought I'd gotten lost by surfing the train station sites, but along comes my son and says I took a wrong turn at the fork in the skype. Al Castanoli On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 19:16 -0800, Alex Bartonek wrote: > wow, you *pay* for Microsoft licensing? I just ride the torrents for that one. lol > > Your wife will be fine. I migrated my dad off of Win 2k/XP because BSOD issues. He's in his upper 60's. It was a little rough at first because he had to get used to SuSE and Linux in general. Once I installed OpenOffice, got flash, Skype etc working he's been happy since. I even setup VNC so I can address any issues from my house. Not a single crash, no issues unless he loads Skpe 10 times (sigh. yea it happens). > > It was the best thing since the invention of the wheel he says. lol (I made that up) > > -Alex > > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, D Villarreal wrote: > > > From: D Villarreal > > Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way > > To: satlug@satlug.org > > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:36 PM > > Well, I'm taking a big jump and converting my wife's > > computer from MS > > WindowsXP to GNU/Linux. Main reason is that I can't > > afford to keep up the > > licensing for products I consider essential for optimal > > computing (for that > > platform, if there is such a thing). I had done this > > conversion for another > > family member and they were using OE for email. My wife > > uses Outhouse for > > email and I figured that would be the biggest hurdle. > > I've spent a lot of > > time doing the screenshots and collecting documentation, > > and it's even a > > little sparse at Novell's site, for my tastes. Where > > this goes, who knows ? > > > > Anyway, it's been a gradual process, but it's been > > a long time coming. > > > > If I could get my old Compaq to work with dual NIC's, > > I'd like to test the > > pfSense or another BSD-type firewall. I had tried NetBSD > > awhile back and it > > ran great on my old > > Pentium 200, and the documentation was way different from > > what I'm used to > > seeing. > > > > have fun, > > Daniel Villarreal > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > SATLUG mailing list > > SATLUG@satlug.org > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to > > unsubscribe > > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > > > From bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 23:12:27 2008 From: bartonekdragracing at yahoo.com (Alex Bartonek) Date: Mon Dec 29 23:12:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: <4959aa25.0917400a.4679.fffff2e3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <784778.87474.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Twistedpickles wrote: > MS has nothing to be embarrassed about. Their > accomplishments far out way the bump ME was. You sound like > the bitter ex wife. While Vista might not work for us it > does for a great deal of others. ;) > Peace Out! > > twistedpickles > // message sent from mobile handset whatever makes you sleep better at night :) From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Mon Dec 29 23:34:21 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Mon Dec 29 23:34:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way In-Reply-To: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4959B2DD.2090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> D Villarreal wrote: > > > If I could get my old Compaq to work with dual NIC's, I'd like to test the > pfSense or another BSD-type firewall. I had tried NetBSD awhile back and it > ran great on my old > Pentium 200, and the documentation was way different from what I'm used to > seeing. > > have fun, > Daniel Villarreal > We will conduct a pf workshop at the Open Source Fest this spring. Thanks to John Baker I have been playing with OpenBSD for some time now. John will have an OpenBSD class at night this coming summer semester. A small group of my students worked all fall semester building a firewall with OpenBSD. I gave them an old, but reasonable, box with five NICs in it. They built a replacement for our PIX. At the end of the semester they removed the PIX and installed the OpenBSD box. It has been working well for a couple of weeks now. Awhile back I built a transparent bridge using OpenBSD. All of the traffic going in and out of our network travels through (actually some of it drops into the bit bucket--blacklist) this OpenBSD box. Recently SAC had a planned power outage. Before I shut it down the OpenBSD transparent bridge had been up for 458 days. Anyway, plan to attend the "Build an OpenBSD Firewall" workshop at the Open Source Fest in the spring. Steve From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 23:55:44 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Mon Dec 29 23:55:46 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way In-Reply-To: <4959B2DD.2090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> <4959B2DD.2090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <4959B7E0.6040109@gmail.com> skolars wrote: > A small group of my students worked all fall semester building a > firewall with OpenBSD. I gave them an old, but reasonable, box with > five NICs in it. They built a replacement for our PIX. At the end of > the semester they removed the PIX and installed the OpenBSD box. It has > been working well for a couple of weeks now. Awhile back I built a > transparent bridge using OpenBSD. All of the traffic going in and out > of our network travels through (actually some of it drops into the bit > bucket--blacklist) this OpenBSD box. Recently SAC had a planned power > outage. Before I shut it down the OpenBSD transparent bridge had been > up for 458 days. Hmm. Our Linux From Scratch server has been up a while too: $ uptime 22:45:23 up 456 days ... I bet we get hit more than CIS at SAC due to the variety of programs (apache, postfix/mailman, irc, subversion, sshd, mysql, rsync) and the visibility of the project. I really don't see what OpenBSD offers over Linux except not being confused with all those drivers in Linux. :) -- Bruce From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 02:23:54 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Tue Dec 30 02:23:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Scanners Message-ID: <4959DA9A.4020209@gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a scanner for use in Linux. My needs are relatively modest. I do not need a sheet feeder. I would like to be able to scan an occasional 8 1/2 x 11 sheet and some photos and slides. Overall use would be considered light. -- Bruce From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Dec 30 07:00:45 2008 From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler) Date: Tue Dec 30 07:00:49 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Scanners In-Reply-To: <4959DA9A.4020209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812301300.mBUD0jp1005516@biochem.uthscsa.edu> > > Can anyone recommend a scanner for use in Linux. My needs are relatively > modest. I do not need a sheet feeder. I would like to be able to scan an > occasional 8 1/2 x 11 sheet and some photos and slides. Overall use would be > considered light. > > -- Bruce Bruce, I have a SCSI slide/negative scanner (Nikon LS-1000 film scanner) you can feed individual mounted slides or a film holder with uncut negatives into. You are welcome to borrow it. For flatbed scanning I had really good luck with my epson C82 scsi/USB scanner. Worked out of the box in Linux under both USB and SCSI when I got it back in 2003. It still works great like on the first day, and I use it on an almost daily basis to keep electronic records of all my receipts. Sometimes I wished I had a sheet feeder, so if it isn't too much more get that. If you have the deskspace, get one big enough so it can handle legal sized documents. I think pretty much any scanner that supports USB 2.0 should be compatible under Linux. If in doubt, check the SANE scanner library: http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl For scanning, you can plug in the scanner xsane device in GIMP and use it to handle your scanning via XSANE for excellent results. -borries From jm at allensonthe.net Tue Dec 30 08:06:12 2008 From: jm at allensonthe.net (Jon Mark Allen) Date: Tue Dec 30 08:06:15 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Scanners In-Reply-To: <4959DA9A.4020209@gmail.com> References: <4959DA9A.4020209@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 02:23, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Can anyone recommend a scanner for use in Linux. [trim] Definitely nmap (sorry -- couldn't resist) -- JM /* If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day. -- John A. Wheeler */ From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Dec 30 09:03:21 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Dec 30 09:03:22 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Scanners In-Reply-To: <200812301300.mBUD0jp1005516@biochem.uthscsa.edu> References: <200812301300.mBUD0jp1005516@biochem.uthscsa.edu> Message-ID: <495A3839.6030603@grandecom.net> Borries Demeler wrote: >> Can anyone recommend a scanner for use in Linux. My needs are relatively >> modest. I do not need a sheet feeder. I would like to be able to scan an >> occasional 8 1/2 x 11 sheet and some photos and slides. Overall use would be >> considered light. >> >> -- Bruce >> > > Bruce, > > I have a SCSI slide/negative scanner (Nikon LS-1000 film scanner) you can > feed individual mounted slides or a film holder with uncut negatives into. > You are welcome to borrow it. For flatbed scanning I had really good > luck with my epson C82 scsi/USB scanner. Worked out of the box in Linux > under both USB and SCSI when I got it back in 2003. It still works > great like on the first day, and I use it on an almost daily basis to > keep electronic records of all my receipts. Sometimes I wished I had > a sheet feeder, so if it isn't too much more get that. If you have the > deskspace, get one big enough so it can handle legal sized documents. I > think pretty much any scanner that supports USB 2.0 should be compatible > under Linux. not necessarily true. I got stuck with a Lexmark x4270 and it is not fully supported by linux. Or should I say Lexmark does not fully support Linux? Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Dec 30 17:58:41 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Dec 30 17:58:45 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies released by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that this works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? thanks in advance Todd From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:01:33 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:01:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Scanners In-Reply-To: <4959DA9A.4020209@gmail.com> References: <4959DA9A.4020209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495AC46D.7030503@gmail.com> Hi Bruce~ Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Can anyone recommend a scanner for use in Linux. My needs are > relatively modest. I do not need a sheet feeder. I would like to be > able to scan an occasional 8 1/2 x 11 sheet and some photos and > slides. Overall use would be considered light. > > -- Bruce My HP 4440 All-In-One printer/scanner/copier does all that, and the Linux load instructions are right on the HP site page for the unit. Can be had for anywhere from $49 - $99, depending on where you shop... (I also have an old HP 2300 ScanJet flat-bed scanner you could haul away if you want... Works well under HPOJ) Cheers! Ed From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Tue Dec 30 19:25:00 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:25:04 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv In-Reply-To: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> References: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <495AC9EC.2010707@grandecom.net> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing > difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of > course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies > released by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to > transcode but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I > know that this works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who > (a twentieth century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of > Wall-E (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such > difficulties with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? > > thanks in advance > Todd I did a little digging around and found that this was an issue back in in 2005 but have not found any recent posts or articals refering to the problem. Furthermore most of the problems seem to be associated with DVD rippers on M$. (no big surprise there) I have yet to find any info on problems with ripping the Rat's DVDs on Linux distros. Like I said above, I have only noticed this in the last few months with the latest of the Rat's releases. Releases before this summer do not seem to have this problem. Todd Todd From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Tue Dec 30 21:07:01 2008 From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles Hogan) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:09:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv In-Reply-To: <495AC9EC.2010707@grandecom.net> References: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> <495AC9EC.2010707@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <495AE1D5.1080103@futuretechsolutions.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing >> difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of >> course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies >> released by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to >> transcode but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I >> know that this works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who >> (a twentieth century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of >> Wall-E (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such >> difficulties with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? >> >> thanks in advance >> Todd > I did a little digging around and found that this was an issue back in > in 2005 but have not found any recent posts or articals refering to the > problem. Furthermore most of the problems seem to be associated with > DVD rippers on M$. (no big surprise there) I have yet to find any info > on problems with ripping the Rat's DVDs on Linux distros. Like I said > above, I have only noticed this in the last few months with the latest > of the Rat's releases. Releases before this summer do not seem to have > this problem. > > Todd > > Todd How are you trying to create the iso? Are you using dd, or something else? From dvprogs at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 21:21:23 2008 From: dvprogs at gmail.com (D Villarreal) Date: Tue Dec 30 21:21:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Build an OpenBSD Firewall" workshop - Open Source Fest in the spring Message-ID: <7f9598380812301921u7b7436d3x263e70060f4f3d39@mail.gmail.com> > > From: skolars > ... > We will conduct a pf workshop at the Open Source Fest this spring. > > Anyway, plan to attend the "Build an OpenBSD Firewall" workshop at the Open > Source Fest in the spring... > > I'd like to attend, if you could just see your way to buy me tickets "de ida y vuelta" from YYZ, I'd really, really appreciate it :-) To stay on topic since this is a GNU/Linux club, with kernel 2.6.28 being released less than a week ago, I can't wait to check out ext4, if it's as easy as converting ext3 to ext4 and using an ext3 boot partition. have fun, Daniel Villarreal From satlug at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 30 22:32:08 2008 From: satlug at sbcglobal.net (Don Wright) Date: Tue Dec 30 22:32:13 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv In-Reply-To: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> References: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600, "Todd W. Bucy" wrote: >... however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E >(released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties >with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? Just verified with my Wall-e DVD. Both K3B and dd report unable to copy encrypted sectors. Not interested enough to look further. --Don -- Enterprise software fault, warp core dumped. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 31 01:15:50 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 31 01:15:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv In-Reply-To: <495AE1D5.1080103@futuretechsolutions.com> References: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> <495AC9EC.2010707@grandecom.net> <495AE1D5.1080103@futuretechsolutions.com> Message-ID: <495B1C26.9020506@grandecom.net> Charles Hogan wrote: > Todd W. Bucy wrote: >> Todd W. Bucy wrote: >>> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing >>> difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of >>> course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies >>> released by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting >>> to transcode but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore >>> I know that this works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a >>> Who (a twentieth century fox release) however when I tried to do a >>> copy of Wall-E (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had >>> such difficulties with Disney movies? if so is there a way around >>> this issue? >>> >>> thanks in advance >>> Todd >> I did a little digging around and found that this was an issue back >> in in 2005 but have not found any recent posts or articals refering >> to the problem. Furthermore most of the problems seem to be >> associated with DVD rippers on M$. (no big surprise there) I have >> yet to find any info on problems with ripping the Rat's DVDs on Linux >> distros. Like I said above, I have only noticed this in the last few >> months with the latest of the Rat's releases. Releases before this >> summer do not seem to have this problem. >> >> Todd >> >> Todd > > How are you trying to create the iso? Are you using dd, or something > else? I am using the import DVD function within mythtv. the quality that i am asking for is ISO quality, which basically copies the whole DVD to hard drive. I know that there is nothing wrong with Mythtv itself as I was able to do this with several of my older DVD's as well as the new 20th Century Fox release of Horton Hears a Who (my kids love it). However when I tried to do the same with Wall-E (released by the Rat) it would attempt to copy the DVD but then would drop after about a minute or so. Like I said earlier this is something that I have noticed with the newer Disney releases (Cars and Toystory copied just fine). I was basically wondering if anyone else has experienced this with Disney movies or if anyone has heard if The Rat had changed up the CP. From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 31 01:20:34 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 31 01:20:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv In-Reply-To: References: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <495B1D42.4080809@grandecom.net> Don Wright wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600, "Todd W. Bucy" > wrote: > > >> ... however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E >> (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties >> with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? >> > > Just verified with my Wall-e DVD. Both K3B and dd report unable to copy > encrypted sectors. Not interested enough to look further. --Don > > Thanks for the confirmation I guess the Rat has changed up his copy protection. Ill start checking elsewhere for a work around...that is unless someone already knows of one? If you do pass me the info off list, as this is may be a legal grey area. (I swear, me hardys, its only for me private archival purposes Arrr.) Todd Todd From esanchezvela at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 09:51:31 2008 From: esanchezvela at yahoo.com (Enrique Sanchez Vela) Date: Wed Dec 31 09:51:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: <1003aeaa0812291645g2e36ff90ia8defb8766e556d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <911374.64232.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Henry Pugsley wrote: > of the OS. But if you pick up a version of Windows that > costs nearly > nothing on the front-end but you need to pay $0.80 for > every hour you > browse the Internet, you are stuck forever. And you may as > well > upgrade to the new version when it comes out because > you're stuck > paying for it anyway. Kind of fitting that this is coming > out just as > Microsoft is trying to kill off XP but can't because > there is no > viable alternative for their users. > Well, Dell is charging 150 bucks if you select XP over Vista. guess there is only one way to go...Linux. regards, esv From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Dec 31 10:31:15 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:31:21 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way In-Reply-To: <4959B7E0.6040109@gmail.com> References: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> <4959B2DD.2090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> <4959B7E0.6040109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495B9E53.2090001@shub-internet.org> on 12/29/08 11:55 PM, Bruce Dubbs said: >> Recently SAC had a planned power >> outage. Before I shut it down the OpenBSD transparent bridge had been >> up for 458 days. > > Hmm. Our Linux From Scratch server has been up a while too: > > $ uptime > 22:45:23 up 456 days ... And we have multiple Solaris boxes as production servers at UT Austin (including as the production OpenLDAP Enterprise Directory servers for one of the largest OpenLDAP installations in the world) with uptimes in excess of 600 days, and I've had HP-UX boxes back when I was at AOL with uptimes in excess of 1000 days. What's your point? -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From astro at astr0.org Wed Dec 31 10:35:59 2008 From: astro at astr0.org (brian lewis) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:35:50 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way In-Reply-To: <495B9E53.2090001@shub-internet.org> References: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> <4959B2DD.2090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> <4959B7E0.6040109@gmail.com> <495B9E53.2090001@shub-internet.org> Message-ID: <495B9F6F.4030600@astr0.org> Pics or it didn't happen :P Brad Knowles wrote: > on 12/29/08 11:55 PM, Bruce Dubbs said: > >>> Recently SAC had a planned power >>> outage. Before I shut it down the OpenBSD transparent bridge had been >>> up for 458 days. >> >> Hmm. Our Linux From Scratch server has been up a while too: >> >> $ uptime >> 22:45:23 up 456 days ... > > And we have multiple Solaris boxes as production servers at UT Austin > (including as the production OpenLDAP Enterprise Directory servers for > one of the largest OpenLDAP installations in the world) with uptimes > in excess of 600 days, and I've had HP-UX boxes back when I was at AOL > with uptimes in excess of 1000 days. > > What's your point? > From brad at shub-internet.org Wed Dec 31 10:38:14 2008 From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:38:27 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way In-Reply-To: <495B9F6F.4030600@astr0.org> References: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> <4959B2DD.2090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> <4959B7E0.6040109@gmail.com> <495B9E53.2090001@shub-internet.org> <495B9F6F.4030600@astr0.org> Message-ID: <495B9FF6.3080001@shub-internet.org> on 12/31/08 10:35 AM, brian lewis said: > Pics or it didn't happen :P Pictures can be forged. If you don't take my word for it, then there's no proof I can offer you that couldn't potentially be forged. -- Brad Knowles If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks From misteratomic at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 11:00:56 2008 From: misteratomic at gmail.com (Marc Ripley) Date: Wed Dec 31 11:00:59 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E Message-ID: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> Heck, I can't even watch the Wall-E DVD on my Ubuntu box let alone archive it in mythtv or otherwise. On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, wrote: > Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > satlug@satlug.org >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600 >From: "Todd W. Bucy" >Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv >To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing >difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of >course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies released >by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode >but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that this >works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth >century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E >(released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties >with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? >thanks in advance >Todd From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Dec 31 12:56:14 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Wed Dec 31 12:56:36 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] converting to the GNU/Linux way In-Reply-To: <4959B7E0.6040109@gmail.com> References: <7f9598380812291836x22829032wc61c4772b8523cb4@mail.gmail.com> <4959B2DD.2090006@cis.sac.accd.edu> <4959B7E0.6040109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495BC04E.1080108@cis.sac.accd.edu> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > skolars wrote: > >> A small group of my students worked all fall semester building a >> firewall with OpenBSD. I gave them an old, but reasonable, box with >> five NICs in it. They built a replacement for our PIX. At the end of >> the semester they removed the PIX and installed the OpenBSD box. It has >> been working well for a couple of weeks now. Awhile back I built a >> transparent bridge using OpenBSD. All of the traffic going in and out >> of our network travels through (actually some of it drops into the bit >> bucket--blacklist) this OpenBSD box. Recently SAC had a planned power >> outage. Before I shut it down the OpenBSD transparent bridge had been >> up for 458 days. > > Hmm. Our Linux From Scratch server has been up a while too: > > $ uptime > 22:45:23 up 456 days ... I am willing to bet Unix admins all over the world can send in times that are totally unknown in the M$ world. However, I was not trying to make any Linux vs OpenBSD statements--please do not take it that way. > > I bet we get hit more than CIS at SAC due to the variety of programs > (apache, postfix/mailman, irc, subversion, sshd, mysql, rsync) and the > visibility of the project. For clarification: this is a transparent bridge that sits outside the firewall. All of the traffic in and out of the network goes through this machine. At peak times this machine has quite a bit of traffic flowing through it. > > I really don't see what OpenBSD offers over Linux except not being > confused with all those drivers in Linux. :) As much as I love Linux I believe, out of the box, OpenBSD does have something to offer over Linux--given the correct application. I will not argue that the LFS boxes you build are lean and mean--they are. > > -- Bruce I had several students this past semester building LFS systems on Tuesday nights. The same students were building OpenBSD firewalls on Wednesday nights. They did an excellent job in both classes, and they learned a lot doing both (understatement). Happy New Year, Steve From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Dec 31 13:26:29 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Wed Dec 31 13:26:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest Message-ID: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Ok everyone...now is the time to step up and think about conducting a session/workshop. Nathan is the only one that has volunteered thus far. It would be great to have a session/workshop on sendmail. The newbies class is always popular--any takers? We need to get sessions/workshops/sponsors locked in soon--it is possible we will get some real advertising this year, but we need a good offering locked in soon. Steve From siffland at nerdshack.com Wed Dec 31 13:48:55 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Dec 31 13:48:57 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - I wish i had a zune Message-ID: <3ae131d00812311148t12154103ke80773334dc6b4e8@mail.gmail.com> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123074469238845927.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Yeah, ipod people are having a field day with this..... From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 14:08:30 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 31 14:08:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <495BD13E.9020803@gmail.com> skolars wrote: > Ok everyone...now is the time to step up and think about conducting a > session/workshop. Nathan is the only one that has volunteered thus > far. It would be great to have a session/workshop on sendmail. The > newbies class is always popular--any takers? We need to get > sessions/workshops/sponsors locked in soon--it is possible we will get > some real advertising this year, but we need a good offering locked in soon. If you remember, I volunteered to give a session on cross platform programming with Qt. -- Bruce From henry.pugsley at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 14:13:01 2008 From: henry.pugsley at gmail.com (Henry Pugsley) Date: Wed Dec 31 14:13:03 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - microsoft pay as you go...................... In-Reply-To: <911374.64232.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1003aeaa0812291645g2e36ff90ia8defb8766e556d7@mail.gmail.com> <911374.64232.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1003aeaa0812311213i1f2090d2wc8f66b669bab842d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Enrique Sanchez Vela wrote: > > --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Henry Pugsley wrote: >> of the OS. But if you pick up a version of Windows that >> costs nearly >> nothing on the front-end but you need to pay $0.80 for >> every hour you >> browse the Internet, you are stuck forever. And you may as >> well >> upgrade to the new version when it comes out because >> you're stuck >> paying for it anyway. Kind of fitting that this is coming >> out just as >> Microsoft is trying to kill off XP but can't because >> there is no >> viable alternative for their users. >> > > Well, Dell is charging 150 bucks if you select XP over Vista. guess there is only one way to go...Linux. > > regards, > esv > That is simply to discourage people from using XP because Microsoft is trying to end support for the product. At a certain point the cost of using XP will be too high, so people will just have to suck it up and upgrade. Imagine you are running a company and need to order 500 new Dell computers. That $150 is suddenly $75,000, which will raise a lot of questions from the money people. The accountants will ask "Why are we paying $75k extra for an old OS? Will it really be that hard to make all our stuff work with Vista?" If the IT guy can outline how it will cost more than $75k to update and rebuild all their applications to work with Vista then they might win the battle and get XP. This is only a temporary win, as when support for XP finally does end, you still have to face the prospect of refitting all of your applications. And you may not win anyway, because writing a check for $75k doesn't look the same on the books as wasting $75k of administrator and developer time. Pay as you go would make this even easier to encourage upgrades. Right now you can keep going without security updates, but with pay as you go, Microsoft would have the option of upping your hourly rate or simply shutting down your OS if you don't upgrade. I imagine you would end up paying a lot more than $150 to keep XP even if the hourly rate is increased by only a few cents. -Henry From storey at clamp.ws Wed Dec 31 14:34:23 2008 From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp) Date: Wed Dec 31 14:34:29 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <495BD74F.5000805@clamp.ws> skolars wrote: > Ok everyone...now is the time to step up and think about conducting a > session/workshop. Nathan is the only one that has volunteered thus > far. It would be great to have a session/workshop on sendmail. The > newbies class is always popular--any takers? We need to get > sessions/workshops/sponsors locked in soon--it is possible we will get > some real advertising this year, but we need a good offering locked in soon. > > Steve > > I would rather see a session on qmail. Storey From gregswift at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 14:57:57 2008 From: gregswift at gmail.com (Greg Swift) Date: Wed Dec 31 14:58:01 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <495BD74F.5000805@clamp.ws> References: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> <495BD74F.5000805@clamp.ws> Message-ID: <4e3f91d70812311257s7f726ca6qf8fe3617834e670c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 14:34, Storey Clamp wrote: > skolars wrote: > >> Ok everyone...now is the time to step up and think about conducting a >> session/workshop. Nathan is the only one that has volunteered thus >> far. It would be great to have a session/workshop on sendmail. The >> newbies class is always popular--any takers? We need to get >> sessions/workshops/sponsors locked in soon--it is possible we will get >> some real advertising this year, but we need a good offering locked in >> soon. >> >> Steve >> >> >> > I would rather see a session on qmail. > what about qmail would you want to hear? -greg From siffland at nerdshack.com Wed Dec 31 15:16:21 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Dec 31 15:16:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E In-Reply-To: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, wrote: >> Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to >> satlug@satlug.org >>Message: 1 >>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600 >>From: "Todd W. Bucy" >>Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv >>To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >>Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >>in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing >>difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of >>course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies released >>by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode >>but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that this >>works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth >>century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E >>(released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties >>with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? > >>thanks in advance >>Todd > -- One of the guys here at work cannot copy his copy of Monsters Inc (i dunno if that is pixar/disney). he cannot watch it on his older DVD player so he was going to dump it to the computer and reburn it (nice copy no scratches). That wont let him either. It sucks when the copy protection wont let you watch your own stuff... Sean From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 31 15:25:12 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 31 15:25:16 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E In-Reply-To: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495BE338.6080508@grandecom.net> Marc Ripley wrote: > Heck, I can't even watch the Wall-E DVD on my Ubuntu box let alone > archive it in mythtv or otherwise. > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, wrote: > >> Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to >> satlug@satlug.org >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600 >> From: "Todd W. Bucy" >> Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv >> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >> > > >> Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > > >> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing >> difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of >> course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies released >> by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode >> but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that this >> works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth >> century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E >> (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties >> with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? >> > > >> thanks in advance >> Todd >> I have no problems watching the movie my only problem is with copying it to hard drive for archival purposes. have you tried to run mplayer or mythtv out of terminal to see waht sort of error you get? Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 31 15:28:04 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 31 15:28:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495BE3E4.1090002@grandecom.net> Sean I wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, wrote: >> >>> Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to >>> satlug@satlug.org >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600 >>> From: "Todd W. Bucy" >>> Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv >>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >>> >> >> >>> Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing >>> difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of >>> course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies released >>> by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode >>> but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that this >>> works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth >>> century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E >>> (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties >>> with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? >>> >>> thanks in advance >>> Todd >>> >> -- >> > > One of the guys here at work cannot copy his copy of Monsters Inc (i > dunno if that is pixar/disney). he cannot watch it on his older DVD > player so he was going to dump it to the computer and reburn it (nice > copy no scratches). That wont let him either. It sucks when the copy > protection wont let you watch your own stuff... > > Sean > yeah monsters inc was put out by Pixar and the Rat. and yes it does suck that companies like disney and sony are pushing their customers (like me) into the grey market to watch their movies. Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 31 15:35:28 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 31 15:35:32 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - I wish i had a zune In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00812311148t12154103ke80773334dc6b4e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <3ae131d00812311148t12154103ke80773334dc6b4e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495BE5A0.9040505@grandecom.net> Sean I wrote: > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123074469238845927.html?mod=googlenews_wsj > > Yeah, ipod people are having a field day with this..... > Makes you wonder if it is a bug in the M$ DRM? Todd From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Dec 31 17:12:50 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Wed Dec 31 17:13:08 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <495BD13E.9020803@gmail.com> References: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> <495BD13E.9020803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495BFC72.6030109@cis.sac.accd.edu> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > skolars wrote: >> Ok everyone...now is the time to step up and think about conducting a >> session/workshop. Nathan is the only one that has volunteered thus >> far. It would be great to have a session/workshop on sendmail. The >> newbies class is always popular--any takers? We need to get >> sessions/workshops/sponsors locked in soon--it is possible we will get >> some real advertising this year, but we need a good offering locked >> in soon. > > If you remember, I volunteered to give a session on cross platform > programming with Qt. > > -- Bruce > Ah yes, sorry I forgot that one. From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Dec 31 17:15:53 2008 From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (skolars) Date: Wed Dec 31 17:16:10 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <495BD13E.9020803@gmail.com> References: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> <495BD13E.9020803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495BFD29.1080507@cis.sac.accd.edu> Bruce Dubbs wrote: > skolars wrote: >> Ok everyone...now is the time to step up and think about conducting a >> session/workshop. Nathan is the only one that has volunteered thus >> far. It would be great to have a session/workshop on sendmail. The >> newbies class is always popular--any takers? We need to get >> sessions/workshops/sponsors locked in soon--it is possible we will get >> some real advertising this year, but we need a good offering locked >> in soon. > > If you remember, I volunteered to give a session on cross platform > programming with Qt. > > -- Bruce > Pick a day. There are plenty of openings at this point. Are you going to just do Linux? Or, concentrate on Linux, and show a little cross-platform power? From bruce.dubbs at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 18:04:23 2008 From: bruce.dubbs at gmail.com (Bruce Dubbs) Date: Wed Dec 31 18:04:26 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Open Source Fest In-Reply-To: <495BFD29.1080507@cis.sac.accd.edu> References: <495BC765.9000006@cis.sac.accd.edu> <495BD13E.9020803@gmail.com> <495BFD29.1080507@cis.sac.accd.edu> Message-ID: <495C0887.5040609@gmail.com> skolars wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> skolars wrote: >>> Ok everyone...now is the time to step up and think about conducting a >>> session/workshop. Nathan is the only one that has volunteered thus >>> far. It would be great to have a session/workshop on sendmail. The >>> newbies class is always popular--any takers? We need to get >>> sessions/workshops/sponsors locked in soon--it is possible we will get >>> some real advertising this year, but we need a good offering locked >>> in soon. >> If you remember, I volunteered to give a session on cross platform >> programming with Qt. >> >> -- Bruce >> > Pick a day. There are plenty of openings at this point. Are you going > to just do Linux? Or, concentrate on Linux, and show a little > cross-platform power? How about Thursday night. I'll show how to build an app in Linux and then get the same app to run in Windows. -- Bruce From siffland at nerdshack.com Wed Dec 31 18:31:33 2008 From: siffland at nerdshack.com (Sean I) Date: Wed Dec 31 18:31:34 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] OT - I wish i had a zune In-Reply-To: <495BE5A0.9040505@grandecom.net> References: <3ae131d00812311148t12154103ke80773334dc6b4e8@mail.gmail.com> <495BE5A0.9040505@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <3ae131d00812311631w22098d86j1acfe0f0911cd201@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Sean I wrote: >> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123074469238845927.html?mod=googlenews_wsj >> >> Yeah, ipod people are having a field day with this..... >> > > Makes you wonder if it is a bug in the M$ DRM? > > Todd > -- > _______________________________________________ OMG, i have to respond, i was reading this e-mail in my gmail and this add is at the top of the page zune 30 gb digital media - amazon.com - Zune 30 gb player $99.99 Zune media player blowout yeah, i am speechless Sean From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 31 19:11:36 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:11:41 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] DVD not play, broken Volume Control Message-ID: <495C1848.6060607@lookcee.com> 2008-12-31 06:44:37 PM Hmmmm well I finally managed to screw my Linux (Ubuntu 8.04) up Here is what happened so maybe someone can fix me... I got the DVD of the Orig Matrix by WarnerBros for a Christmas present but it would not play like the only other DVD I have (M.M.s Fahrenheit 911) I just not into movies (last movie I went to see was Jurassic Park) but always wanted to see Matrix. I tried every one of the 5 or 6 players that was in the Ubuntu install apps and I then decided to remove all of them and reinstall just mplayer/Totem and the VLC that I use for streaming audio. Both of them work fine but still after reinstallation refuse to play this dvd. I don't want to learn how to make a movie or copy it ... I just want to watch this brand new was in sealed pack disk. So now I still can watch You tube and news vids and listen to KPIG & few other radio streams but the main volume control. in the apps menu is now inoperative it says: Error, 'failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" (no such file of directory). Also now the sound is missing completely from Chat client 'Pidgin' How can I fix this please? Thanks, herb From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 19:25:29 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:25:33 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] DVD not play, broken Volume Control In-Reply-To: <495C1848.6060607@lookcee.com> References: <495C1848.6060607@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <200812311925.29691.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Wednesday 31 December 2008 19:11:36 herb cee wrote: > just not into movies (last movie I went to see was Jurassic Park) but > always wanted to see Matrix. I tried every one of the 5 or 6 players > that was in the Ubuntu install apps and I then decided to remove all of > them and reinstall just mplayer/Totem and the VLC that I use for > streaming audio. Both of them work fine but still after reinstallation > refuse to play this dvd. I don't wa You might need to install libdvdcss2. Or just try to install libdvdcss. From jdchoate at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 19:36:04 2008 From: jdchoate at gmail.com (John D Choate) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:36:09 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E In-Reply-To: <495BE3E4.1090002@grandecom.net> References: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> <495BE3E4.1090002@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <200812311936.04120.jdchoate@gmail.com> On Wednesday 31 December 2008 15:28:04 Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Sean I wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, wrote: > >> > >>> Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > >>> satlug@satlug.org > >>> Message: 1 > >>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600 > >>> From: "Todd W. Bucy" > >>> Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv > >>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >>> > >> > >> > >>> Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >>> > >>> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing > >>> difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of > >>> course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies released > >>> by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode > >>> but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that this > >>> works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth > >>> century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E > >>> (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties > >>> with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? > >>> > >>> thanks in advance > >>> Todd > >>> > >> -- > >> > > > > One of the guys here at work cannot copy his copy of Monsters Inc (i > > dunno if that is pixar/disney). he cannot watch it on his older DVD > > player so he was going to dump it to the computer and reburn it (nice > > copy no scratches). That wont let him either. It sucks when the copy > > protection wont let you watch your own stuff... > > > > Sean > > > yeah monsters inc was put out by Pixar and the Rat. and yes it does suck > that companies like disney and sony are pushing their customers (like > me) into the grey market to watch their movies. > > Todd Have you tried doing the following with K3B... Choose copy DVD, then select 'Only Create Image' and then... go to the Advanced tab and choose 'Ignore read errors'. See if that works. Theoretically, it should write every bit of data it comes across, even if it is 'garbage' data. John C. From hc at lookcee.com Wed Dec 31 19:44:51 2008 From: hc at lookcee.com (herb cee) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:44:44 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] DVD not play, broken Volume Control In-Reply-To: <200812311925.29691.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <495C1848.6060607@lookcee.com> <200812311925.29691.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495C2013.1030907@lookcee.com> John D Choate wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008 19:11:36 herb cee wrote: > >> just not into movies (last movie I went to see was Jurassic Park) but >> always wanted to see Matrix. I tried every one of the 5 or 6 players >> that was in the Ubuntu install apps and I then decided to remove all of >> them and reinstall just mplayer/Totem and the VLC that I use for >> streaming audio. Both of them work fine but still after reinstallation >> refuse to play this dvd. I don't wa >> > > You might need to install libdvdcss2. > Or just try to install libdvdcss. > John when I search the Synaptic package manager I get no results for these packages and I have repositories: Main, universe, restricted & multiverse selected. Is there someplace else to get one or both? From dmyhand at suddenlink.net Wed Dec 31 19:47:10 2008 From: dmyhand at suddenlink.net (Dennis Myhand) Date: Wed Dec 31 19:47:40 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E In-Reply-To: <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495C209E.4040305@suddenlink.net> Sean I wrote: >> that Rat from Florida. BTW guys, that Rat is from Anaheim, CA. He only moved to FL when he got old enough to retire and wanted to attract his grandkids. I don't know how to do this on Linux, but in Windows, try to get a copy of DVDdecrypter. It is what I have seen "a friend" use to determine the type of encryption. Peace, and Happy New Year, Dennis in Victoria From riugakusei at aim.com Wed Dec 31 20:21:22 2008 From: riugakusei at aim.com (riugakusei@aim.com) Date: Wed Dec 31 20:21:35 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] wireless problem Message-ID: <8CB39CEC5DCDA77-E38-11B4@webmail-dx18.sysops.aol.com> aam running suse 11.0 ona? dell latitude d630.. ei cant get the wireless to work. dell 1505 mini/ Broadcom 4328, i tried ndiswrapper \ linux-xs8j:/home/medar/DRIVER_US # ndiswrapper -l bcmwl5 : driver installed ??????? device (14E4:4328) present (alternate driver: ssb) i also got ndiswrapper loaded linux-xs8j:/home/medar/DRIVER_US # dmesg|grep ndisw ndiswrapper version 1.52 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no) usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper any help / hints are appreciated vega From horned0wl93 at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 20:54:52 2008 From: horned0wl93 at gmail.com (ed) Date: Wed Dec 31 20:54:48 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E In-Reply-To: <495BE3E4.1090002@grandecom.net> References: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> <495BE3E4.1090002@grandecom.net> Message-ID: <495C307C.5010902@gmail.com> Todd W. Bucy wrote: > Sean I wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, wrote: >>> >>>> Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to >>>> satlug@satlug.org >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600 >>>> From: "Todd W. Bucy" >>>> Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv >>>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become >>>> increasing >>>> difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of >>>> course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies >>>> released >>>> by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode >>>> but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that >>>> this >>>> works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth >>>> century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E >>>> (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such >>>> difficulties >>>> with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? >>>> thanks in advance >>>> Todd >>>> >>> -- >>> >> >> One of the guys here at work cannot copy his copy of Monsters Inc (i >> dunno if that is pixar/disney). he cannot watch it on his older DVD >> player so he was going to dump it to the computer and reburn it (nice >> copy no scratches). That wont let him either. It sucks when the copy >> protection wont let you watch your own stuff... >> >> Sean >> > yeah monsters inc was put out by Pixar and the Rat. and yes it does > suck that companies like disney and sony are pushing their customers > (like me) into the grey market to watch their movies. > > Todd I'm afraid Sony pushed me over that edge clear back in '04, when their version of "DRM" put a rootkit into my old Win2k kernel. Took 2 years and several court orders to get them to own up to it, and to finally offer a fix. Far too late for me, as I'd already dumped, wiped and re-installed. Since then, I've not had another Sony product of any kind in my house, and don't intend to ever again. (I won't even let a guest with a Windoze/Vaio onto my network, and Linux/Vaio only on a case-by-case basis.) If there's a Sony movie or sound track that I absolutely gotta see (damned few of 'em!), I go grey market for one shot, then dump it. Disney is now much the same... Cheers; Ed From jtiner at satx.rr.com Wed Dec 31 21:53:27 2008 From: jtiner at satx.rr.com (James Tiner) Date: Wed Dec 31 21:53:30 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E In-Reply-To: <495C307C.5010902@gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> <495BE3E4.1090002@grandecom.net> <495C307C.5010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230782007.7077.0.camel@james-desktop> You can always try to run dvd hd decrypter under wine. it's worked for me in limited cases. in fact, the only one that hasn't worked is cars. On Wed, 2008-12-31 at 20:54 -0600, ed wrote: > > Todd W. Bucy wrote: > > Sean I wrote: > >>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, wrote: > >>> > >>>> Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to > >>>> satlug@satlug.org > >>>> Message: 1 > >>>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600 > >>>> From: "Todd W. Bucy" > >>>> Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv > >>>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >>>> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become > >>>> increasing > >>>> difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of > >>>> course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies > >>>> released > >>>> by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode > >>>> but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that > >>>> this > >>>> works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth > >>>> century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E > >>>> (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such > >>>> difficulties > >>>> with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? > >>>> thanks in advance > >>>> Todd > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> > >> > >> One of the guys here at work cannot copy his copy of Monsters Inc (i > >> dunno if that is pixar/disney). he cannot watch it on his older DVD > >> player so he was going to dump it to the computer and reburn it (nice > >> copy no scratches). That wont let him either. It sucks when the copy > >> protection wont let you watch your own stuff... > >> > >> Sean > >> > > yeah monsters inc was put out by Pixar and the Rat. and yes it does > > suck that companies like disney and sony are pushing their customers > > (like me) into the grey market to watch their movies. > > > > Todd > I'm afraid Sony pushed me over that edge clear back in '04, when their > version of "DRM" put a rootkit into my old Win2k kernel. Took 2 years > and several court orders to get them to own up to it, and to finally > offer a fix. Far too late for me, as I'd already dumped, wiped and > re-installed. Since then, I've not had another Sony product of any kind > in my house, and don't intend to ever again. (I won't even let a guest > with a Windoze/Vaio onto my network, and Linux/Vaio only on a > case-by-case basis.) If there's a Sony movie or sound track that I > absolutely gotta see (damned few of 'em!), I go grey market for one > shot, then dump it. Disney is now much the same... > > Cheers; > Ed > From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 31 23:08:19 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 31 23:08:23 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] DVD not play, broken Volume Control In-Reply-To: <495C2013.1030907@lookcee.com> References: <495C1848.6060607@lookcee.com> <200812311925.29691.jdchoate@gmail.com> <495C2013.1030907@lookcee.com> Message-ID: <495C4FC3.6010205@grandecom.net> herb cee wrote: > John D Choate wrote: >> On Wednesday 31 December 2008 19:11:36 herb cee wrote: >> >>> just not into movies (last movie I went to see was Jurassic Park) >>> but always wanted to see Matrix. I tried every one of the 5 or 6 >>> players that was in the Ubuntu install apps and I then decided to >>> remove all of them and reinstall just mplayer/Totem and the VLC that >>> I use for streaming audio. Both of them work fine but still after >>> reinstallation refuse to play this dvd. I don't wa >>> >> >> You might need to install libdvdcss2. >> Or just try to install libdvdcss. >> > John when I search the Synaptic package manager I get no results for > these packages and I have repositories: Main, universe, restricted & > multiverse selected. Is there someplace else to get one or both? you need to add the medibuntu repository to get libdvdcss Todd From toddwbucy at grandecom.net Wed Dec 31 23:09:52 2008 From: toddwbucy at grandecom.net (Todd W. Bucy) Date: Wed Dec 31 23:09:56 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Wall-E In-Reply-To: <200812311936.04120.jdchoate@gmail.com> References: <4bf1dcc60812310900r775a65faufcf3fa5fbd33e0b9@mail.gmail.com> <3ae131d00812311316ka15dd4as51c750bac7612@mail.gmail.com> <495BE3E4.1090002@grandecom.net> <200812311936.04120.jdchoate@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495C5020.9030105@grandecom.net> John D Choate wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008 15:28:04 Todd W. Bucy wrote: > >> Sean I wrote: >> >>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:31 AM, wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Send SATLUG mailing list submissions to >>>>> satlug@satlug.org >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:58:41 -0600 >>>>> From: "Todd W. Bucy" >>>>> Subject: [SATLUG] concerning DVD archiving and Mythtv >>>>> To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List" >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Message-ID: <495AB5B1.90003@grandecom.net> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> in the last few months I have noticed that it has become increasing >>>>> difficult to copy to hard drive (for personal archival purposes of >>>>> course) some newer movies. This is especially true for movies released >>>>> by that Rat from Florida. To be clear I am not attempting to transcode >>>>> but am doing a ISO copy of the entire DVD. Furthermore I know that this >>>>> works on my system as I just copied Horton Hears a Who (a twentieth >>>>> century fox release) however when I tried to do a copy of Wall-E >>>>> (released by the Rat and Pixar). Has anyone else had such difficulties >>>>> with Disney movies? if so is there a way around this issue? >>>>> >>>>> thanks in advance >>>>> Todd >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>> One of the guys here at work cannot copy his copy of Monsters Inc (i >>> dunno if that is pixar/disney). he cannot watch it on his older DVD >>> player so he was going to dump it to the computer and reburn it (nice >>> copy no scratches). That wont let him either. It sucks when the copy >>> protection wont let you watch your own stuff... >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >> yeah monsters inc was put out by Pixar and the Rat. and yes it does suck >> that companies like disney and sony are pushing their customers (like >> me) into the grey market to watch their movies. >> >> Todd >> > > Have you tried doing the following with K3B... > Choose copy DVD, then select 'Only Create Image' and then... go to the Advanced tab and choose 'Ignore read errors'. > See if that works. > Theoretically, it should write every bit of data it comes across, even if it is 'garbage' data. > > John C. > no I haven't. I will try this method before resorting to a windoze alternative Todd From christopher.lemire at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 23:22:57 2008 From: christopher.lemire at gmail.com (Christopher Lemire) Date: Wed Dec 31 23:23:00 2008 Subject: [SATLUG] wireless problem In-Reply-To: <8CB39CEC5DCDA77-E38-11B4@webmail-dx18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB39CEC5DCDA77-E38-11B4@webmail-dx18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: What happens when you type "ifconfig wlan0 up" as root? On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:21 PM, wrote: > aam running suse 11.0 ona? dell latitude d630.. ei cant get the wireless to > work. dell 1505 mini/ Broadcom 4328, i tried ndiswrapper > \ > linux-xs8j:/home/medar/DRIVER_US # ndiswrapper -l > bcmwl5 : driver installed > ??????? device (14E4:4328) present (alternate driver: ssb) > i also got ndiswrapper loaded > linux-xs8j:/home/medar/DRIVER_US # dmesg|grep ndisw > ndiswrapper version 1.52 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no) > usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper > > > any help / hints are appreciated > vega > -- > _______________________________________________ > SATLUG mailing list > SATLUG@satlug.org > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug to unsubscribe > Powered by Rackspace (www.rackspace.com) > -- Christopher Lemire Ubuntu 64 bit Linux Raid Level 0